Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of Noir? [Archive]

Luthor5339

05-03-2007, 06:39 PM

So far it's one of my favorites...

I spent a whole year in film school studying these films and they have really been using alot of the elements well... especially the type of special effects that they had back then rather than those that they have today.

I'd have to say talking-wise Alison Mack and Glover have definitely perfected old school acting.

I can understand why for some people this will probably not be they're thing... but, after a year of studying black and white films and how the system worked back then- it really succeeded at what it set out to do.

Hockeyking

05-03-2007, 06:42 PM

36 minutes in and I can barely take it. This is with out a doubt the crappiest show of the season. If anyone posts that they love it 10 out of 10 they should have their heads examined. What's with Clark trying his best Christopher Reeve impersonation for what a minute, and then a super suave playboy the next. The season is coming to a end and tptb decide to green-light this crap! Yesterday was one of the best Lost episodes, and Heroes has been great and this show is a joke. Bring it on all you pansies that are going to praise this tripe.

Luthor5339

05-03-2007, 06:53 PM

Clark wasn't trying to be Christopher Reeve. He was just trying to be the entity of Clark Kent the Daily Planet guy.

The suave guy and the way he acted is characteristic of the characters like that in old black and white films

And, yep 10/10...

As I said earlier, I can understand why some may hate it... but, having spent a year studying films this is similar to- it's a real great tribute to that era of film making. From effects to dialouge and acting choices.

TSU Superman X

05-03-2007, 07:01 PM

Wow i love smallville but that had 2 hav bin the worst i wish i could get my 45 min back of my life the only good part is when he finds out about lional!

svfan50

05-03-2007, 07:02 PM

Yeah..the whole black and white thing was dumb and the worst part!!!! But yeah the end was kool!!!

I liked it from the scene Clark catches Chloe!!!!

aww that was cutee!!

LaClinique

05-03-2007, 07:02 PM

Filler episode.

Rushed plot.

Stupid plot.

Bad acting... for the most part.

I think it's time we forget about this one.

4/10. Only because it's Smallville.

smallvillefanforyears

05-03-2007, 07:03 PM

i loved this episode it was cheesy in some parts but in all it was a great episode a 10

STFanatic

05-03-2007, 07:04 PM

I loved the shot of the Daily Planet sign from the Classic The Adventures of Superman!

Then the rest of the episode.

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I am trying to think of something else I liked..
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Nope, that is about it, the sign.

It was at least worth the "1" I gave it.

lillie_poo_pod

05-03-2007, 07:04 PM

The good: Teh Pretty.

The bad: Everything else.

For Teh Pretty it gets a 3.

SeaNymph

05-03-2007, 07:05 PM

It was terrible. :(

It did NOT develop the plot enough.

Clark didn't even really find out anything about Lionel. He knows that Lana has "reasons" for hiding things. BIG WHOOP. I think he knew she had reasons for the things she did before.

xHerox

05-03-2007, 07:05 PM

I can see this episode is getting mixed reactions, and I can completely see why. I myself am giving it a "7". I thought the style it was done in was really well, plus it was great to see Jimmy again. I could totally see him dreaming that kind of situation up.

I got a definite "Relic" vibe from this episode. I think "Relic" did the "past" storyline better but I think overall "Noir" was executed better and had a little bit more flair. It was a nice diversion from what's been going on, although I think I would have liked it more if it had been placed just a few episodes earlier.

Overall, a decent episode. I think you have to appreciate what they were trying to accomplish to really like this episode, though.

coasterprincess

05-03-2007, 07:07 PM

More filler than I would have liked this close to the end of the season, but overall I was pleased.

The Good
~dorky Clark....the glasses, the dropped papers, the awkwardness....it was amazing. Would have loved for it to be more than a minute..but it was still great
~"flashback" dream....it was cheesy and cliche and I loved every minute of it.
~reaction to said dream...when Jimmy was going on how crazy it was for Clark to be a reporter by day and a crime-fighter by night....it was just great...oh irony never gets old

The So-so
~Lana getting shot....I just thought the actual point of the episode was just...meh. Sure there have been worse plot movers, but there have also been better ones.
~Jimmy's leaving...wait...what? I was just generally confused because it was rushed, and could have been done in a much better way.

Because I'm just a sucker for a cheese-fest....8/10

shy175223

05-03-2007, 07:07 PM

it was kind of strange to see Clark Kent NOT being Clark Kent ya know.. I thought TW performance playing the NOT Clark Kent was unreal ... in a good way.

Kid Collins

05-03-2007, 07:09 PM

It was okay.

The flashbacks to 1940 was disappointing because I thought it would be a storyline that I could follow from the beginning instead I got glimpses of a story that was already in place. So it wasn't as engaging as the ep Relic.

Everyone looked great in the 1940's. I liked how everything was styled. I just wish the storyline was as good.

I was more interested in the present storyline especially with Lana getting shot. There should've been more time spent in real time.

That said I still can't get a handle on Lionel...is he for Clark or against?

Next week's Prototype looks good. Can't wait for that.

Joekur

05-03-2007, 07:11 PM

There were some cool spots in the B&W section (the Daily Planet Plaque), and I liked the stuff around the B&W part...

As far as advancing the arc, or giving us insight into characters, the B&W part did nothing that I could see, except maybe let us see more of Jimmy (which is cool)

Oh, Clarks Badge looking like a Kryptonian symbol. ACK! First, this is all from Jimmy's mind... has he ever seen those symbols? And if he has, why would he connect them with Clark like that... A bit hokie to me...

I like how Chloe and Lana are connecting more on Clark, and I love how they're saying what they're saying without saying it. I hope we get a good payoff when they can both say what they want to say...

shy175223

05-03-2007, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Kid Collins
That said I still can't get a handle on Lionel...is he for Clark or against?

I guess we will find out in Phantom.

skylar

05-03-2007, 07:12 PM

OMG Clark is so hot in his suit. Lois can really sing. Jimmy was right on about how Lana was misleading Lex and Lionel.

greatceasarsghost

05-03-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by xHerox

I got a definite "Relic" vibe from this episode. I think "Relic" did the "past" storyline better but I think overall "Noir" was executed better and had a little bit more flair. It was a nice diversion from what's been going on, although I think I would have liked it more if it had been placed just a few episodes earlier.

Overall, a decent episode. I think you have to appreciate what they were trying to accomplish to really like this episode, though.

It was very good for what they were trying to do. All successful series do "odd" "filler" episodes like this to let the actors have some fun. If you didn't know this before it aired then you are just too young to understand that.

They were trying to emulate the movie that played on the screen at the beginning. It was a humphrey bogart movie called the big sleep. Awesome movie. If you didn't recognise bogart, you have a lot to enjoy in the future.

Film noir is all about lighting and setting a mood. Thats why clark's face was half lit at the bar and all the smoke thats gets lit up. It was all about a salute to their industries past and having some fun, not about advancing the smallville story so much.

It was meant to be an enjoyable breather and it was. Someday watch some of the great film noir classics, but it takes appreciation of motives and story more than special effects. It's all about mood and pure escapism.

Great episode for what it was though relic was a better throwback for the series.

bball44j

05-03-2007, 07:16 PM

Awesome episode! Loved it the whole way through, and it wasn't a filler.

kkjdt

05-03-2007, 07:18 PM

I found myself lost through outthe episode... plus I was hoping for a Chlark kiss probably the last chance we could of gotten one this year.. so i was depressed no chlark kiss.... and I felt the episode was chopppy.

Shadowlord367

05-03-2007, 07:21 PM

And the award for most authentic noir performance goes to Allison.

Talk about incredible! From her first line I knew she was perfect as the newspaper girl.

Lana was great too as the rich manipulative wife. Lionel was allso definately stellar in his noir performance.

Clark and Lex didn't get boatloads of screentime, but it was very well done episode.

I didnt always love Jimmy because of episodes like Wither and Static (Ironically the two worst episodes of the season) but hes really great in this episode.

And Lois, Im not quite sure if they just threw her in to fill out her 13 episode contract, but MAN did Erica do stellar both acting and singing.

I loved it! One of the best episodes of the season. Im doing a paper, Luthor, as a final exam grade for school, and granted I'm only in 8th grade, but along with Veronica Mars, this will definately get a paragraph or so on how film noir lives on.

I wasn't sure season six was as great as can be, but since Hydro I haven't seen an episode thats not worth watching 10x in a row.

Long live season six!

you_smell_terrific

05-03-2007, 07:22 PM

I thought it was hilarious XD But the highlights of the episode for me was the Clark-cop a feel scene with Chloe and of course when chloe lands in his arms *faints* but I am a hopeless chlarker ;D

Dee

05-03-2007, 07:22 PM

I honestly liked dorky-Christopher Reeve-Clark Kent , over the suave one. He looked soo good in thoses glasses.

Also that Clana kiss, with Tom in his wife-beater, zipping Lana's dress, was sooo hot!

This episode had a lot of potential, but I felt it had too much Jimmy and not enough Clark. I wished they had learned their less from 'Static'

Unfortunately, the next episode doesn't look so good either.

thehenry89

05-03-2007, 07:25 PM

8 out of 10, but it could have used more erica.

Shadowlord367

05-03-2007, 07:26 PM

You don't think "Prototype" looks good? did you see a different trailer?

niki

05-03-2007, 07:30 PM

Where can you find the trailer for "Prototype" by the way?
I missed it when they showed the preview on TV after the episode.

Anyhoos ... I gave it a 7.
I'm really into film, and they perfected the noir feel. The acting was great, the look was fantastic, and having Lois sing was randomly awesome.

I liked that it wasn't a complete filler episode (unlike Krypto *cringes*) because it did have some arc to it. However, I felt it was all too rushed and I got a little confused. Besides that, I really liked it.

And Clark in a wifebeater .. mmm.

quietone

05-03-2007, 07:34 PM

For the most part I liked it. I gave it a 7/10. The director did a great job capturing the 1940s ambience.The plot was kinda weak but it did tie into the current storyline in some ways.

TW was HOT! Totally loved him in the suit, glasses, and tank top. Klutzy!Clark was adorable.

Also liked Clark catching Chloe, proactive Jimmy, Clark shooting Lana (yep I'm mean), Lex wearing the scarf and fedora, and Lionel being duplicitous in the past and present.

Didn't like the Lana as victim aspect being shoved down our throats. We get it. She's caught in the middle of Lex and Lionel. And she's protecting Clark. What a brave girl! *blech*

Also, where was AOT?

The previews for next week look good.

Jack-El49

05-03-2007, 07:34 PM

I was fully expecting this to be a pure fluff episode, barely moving the story arc along. I was wrong. It didn't move it along as much as I would have liked but all in good time, I suppose.

The bad:
First off, when people get knocked unconcious, they don't dream but that's a technicality, I suppose.

The acting wasn't great - I don't know if it was contrived bad acting or just uninspired bad acting. The actors in the 40's were pretty overdramatic or melodramatic and not very believable by today's standards either. The acting changed in the present day so I suppose they were trying to act like the 40's actors but they weren't very convincing even doing that.

It was a bit cheesy and corny but a change of pace from the darker, heavy-handed episodes we have enjoyed lately. I will welcome those back next week, though.

The good:

The Noir period piece was a foreshadowing, I believe, of the rest of the season. There are double-crosses aplenty and that is what the present day story arc will eventually reveal, IMHO.

Story arc was furthered even though it was a plodding advancement. It's clear there will be continuity through the season.

The Chloe catch was great - more than great. It was very Superman-like.

Lois - her part was small but significant. I liked her stealing evidence and I liked that she figured out Lana was crossing the Luthors and Lionel never even knew it. It was also cool that she's gotten very savvy and in those brief moments, showed some very ILL-like qualities.

Lionel has shown his colors. He has Lana shot and is after Lex's project and I don't think it is to save the world from Lex or to save Clark. He's playing Lana to keep Clark away so that the project can be completed and he can take it away from Lex.

Lex threatening Lionel at the outset - basically accusing him of being responsible for Lana being hurt. Is that foreshadowing? I certainly hope so.

Lana - Chloe exchange in the hospital. Did anyone else feel like Chloe was on the verge of spilling the beans about Clark's vulnerability to K Rock to Lana?

Chloe telling Clark: First of all, that hurts! when he's grabbed her shoulders. Then, reminding him how ironic it was to say that he couldn't believe she was keeping something from him and still keeping what Lana told her from Clark.

The Chimmy stuff was cute - too cute in a way and I'm glad she's found a guy and I'm glad he's done for the season.

I was prepared to give this episode a 4 or 5. I gave it an 8. It clearly wasn't as good as last week's episode but it was a worthy effort and was well-worth the time spent watching it.

ddacosta81

05-03-2007, 07:34 PM

Stylistically, the black and white 1940s-inspired theme was an interesting way to go.

But the reveal of Lionel's plot in the last few minutes takes away from everything that aired before it. I guess Lionel really hasn't lost his touch if he can manipulate Clark, Lana and Lex. Maybe, in his own Luthor way, he's doing it for their own good.

Shadowlord367

05-03-2007, 07:43 PM

Just do a youtube search, it'll surface in a few hours.

Smallvilledabest

05-03-2007, 07:49 PM

5/10 normally i love every single episode, but the only saving grace was the last 8 minutes.

smallvillereporter27

05-03-2007, 08:06 PM

Ok...first off, a couple of people have been saying "it was cheesy, too melodramatic"...well IT WAS A DREAM. That's how some movies were back in the 40's, cheesy and melodramatic. Jimmy like those movies so that's what his dream came out as.

Anyways, I really liked Jimmy's dream and all of 40's scenes. I thought it was cute. The acting was a little off on some parts. Some of the actors didn't keep up their 40's lingo. The plot was ok. It did tie into the current events going on in the current story arc. It was a little jumbled and rushed though. Some cringy moments with Lex and Lois and Clark and Lana kissing though. It was like the two worst possible ships they could've done.

The rest of the episode seemed to go by pretty fast. Lana was in the hospital AGAIN *rolls eyes*. Lionel is still his old MB self. A lot of Chimmy, which was cute and stuff....however it's got me on the fence being a Chlark shipper and all. Clark was still his old big dumb self, though I'm glad Chloe told him off. Interesting Chloe and Lana scene in the hospital as well. I also like Clark catching Chloe in the DP. That was good.

Now, I know this was all part of Jimmy's dream, but when Clark said "I should have never fallen in love with a girl while on the job" I think my heart lept a little. Is this a sign of foreshadowing that Clark will stop obsessing over Lana and start actually progressing towards Superman? Maybe I'm just reading too much into this, or maybe it was all just part of Jimmy's dream. Hmmmm....

Overall, good episode. I was nice and gave it a 9/10.

Solara_08

05-03-2007, 08:07 PM

eh, the epi was okay but I especially liked :
1) the hott 2-second Clana kiss and implied sex
2) the chlana hospital scene
3) Tom Welling... that man gets more gorgeous by the day
4) that fact that Clark is getting closer to figuring out why Lana married Lex.

only thing that got annoying was the chimmy. I liked it at first but I didn't expect them to get so much screen time. :(

overall, I give this epi a 5/10

Meteor-Freakazoid

05-03-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Joekur

Oh, Clarks Badge looking like a Kryptonian symbol. ACK! First, this is all from Jimmy's mind... has he ever seen those symbols? And if he has, why would he connect them with Clark like that... A bit hokie to me...

Actually, he isn't relating a dreamed Metropolis badge to a Kryptonian symbol. He doesn't actually know anything about it. That's actually what the Metropolis badge looks like, in the show. Metropolis' Police Department's badge actually just happens to be in the same shape as Superman's emblem. It's evident in quite a few episodes.

I give the episode a superspeed, super strength, superhearing, x-ray vision, flying 10!:D

Ilovebeinglost

05-03-2007, 08:12 PM

I loved it. They all did a great job with the 40's acting parts.

Best part Clark shooting Lana!

superhippie2000

05-03-2007, 08:12 PM

i liked this episode but i wouldnt say it was great. i gave it an 8. i liked the black and white stuff but it seemed a little dragged out. im glad that they set up stuff that will happen in the last 2 episodes of the season. i wish there was more super power stuff but that chloe falling from the top of the stiars and clark catching her was pretty cool. i did enjoy jimmy in this episode. im glad they gave him an episode. its sad that we wont see him till next season probably. i was hoping he would have had a bow tie that would have been nice.

ginnyfan

05-03-2007, 08:13 PM

I gave it a 9/10. There were a few things wrong with it, but I loved it!

Aaron Ashmore did a fantastic job. I loved the Chimmy! I loved the flashback but it should have been edited more cleanly... it should've been shorter IMO. Loved the mystery and how it leads into next weeks episode.

Be careful Miss Lane. LOL!

Ilovebeinglost

05-03-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Dee
I honestly liked dorky-Christopher Reeve-Clark Kent , over the suave one. He looked soo good in thoses glasses.

Yes he did great didn't he.

AG1211

05-03-2007, 08:17 PM

I really liked it. It was different.

Everyone looked so great in B/W!

But Clark just looked amazing!

Colossus632

05-03-2007, 08:19 PM

Perhaps I was in a bad mood, but if I could have given this episode a -10, I would in a heartbeat.

It seemed like a total waste of time until the last few minutes of the show. I've never hated an episode of Smallville in the six years it's been running until tonight. It just seemed pointless and lame to me.

Bah.

artemis_x

05-03-2007, 08:19 PM

This was the worst episode in Smallville's history. I gave it a 1. I have never given a show a 1. A bad show for me usually gets a 7, but I found it so unbearable to watch I almost turned it off- I have never felt that before. The writing was awful- nothing happened in the dream sequence, and the acting was even worse. It was so painful to watch. I am a huge huge fan of the show but Noir has tainted it for me a little. I'm gonna have to go back and watch "Justice" again before next weeks show to get rid of the awful taste. Worst episode ever.

dru-zod2501

05-03-2007, 08:30 PM

unlike anything they've done before; big props for trying something outside the box.

hated J.Chlo, but then I hate J.Chlo everytime it's on.
I guess Chloe really is over Clark, I'm gonna cry and eat twinkies all night. I feel fragile, is nothing sacred??!?

Clark was a magnificent ******* to Chloe in the end, even if he was angry, it was still uncalled-for dooshbaggery on his part

But in spite of those complaints, the dorky dream clark and his alter ego Macho Dream Clark made it all worth while. It was a nice epi. I actually wouldn't mind seeing him in The Suit now
7.75/10

Darth Pipes

05-03-2007, 08:33 PM

I liked it. The film noir aspect was shot really well and the real world story was advanced nicely. Liked the shot with Chloe falling down the stair well.

SteveS

05-03-2007, 08:39 PM

I liked it, once again Smallville got beyond the kid stuff. A writer apparently didn't know that jets didn't exist at this time, but that was minor.

Clark/TW looked spectacular in a suit. KK is still doing a great job as a conniver. I enjoyed Clark cleaning Chloe's blouse. Jimmy stepped up to the plate and did pretty well, and lois was just there, which is about as much as you can hope for. Great fun.

smallvillecrazygurl04

05-03-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
I loved it. They all did a great job with the 40's acting parts.

Best part Clark shooting Lana!

I absoultly agree with you, I loved the 40s scenes; they were very well done. I was quite impressed! Also I loved it when Clark shot Lana, to me that was one of the best parts.

:)

Overal, this episode was good, so I gave it a 7.

wolverine316

05-03-2007, 08:44 PM

The episode sucked ass. Any episode with Jimmy as the center would suck ass. Initially I gave the episode a 2. But that little moment with Clark saving Chloe was nice plus Clark shooting Lana was a gift from god so I bumped it up to a 5.

seraphim

05-03-2007, 08:45 PM

I liked this episode just because they did advance some of the storyline. Also, it was fun to watch so I gave it a 9.

meggy

05-03-2007, 08:51 PM

i loved this epi for a number of reasons:

1) they certainly went outside the box with the Noir theme, and the cast brought good performances

2) there was sooooo much negative speculation about this episode that turned out to be completely unwarranted; from the bad hair-do for Chloe, to all the rantings about how rude she is to Jimmy, to "why is she just the wanna be"...to Lois and Lex...and on and on...and none of it warranted all the arguements happening all week....the epi did well for all characters i think

3) i didnt think it was a filler epi per se...it was what i call a "linkage epi", like Progeny..it help set up what is coming up in the future....and it was also Jimmy's farewell episode for the season...

4) and of course, bumbling, glasses wearing Clark..and all the fun scenes throughout...i would give it an 8

GottaLoveHotSuperHeros

05-03-2007, 08:53 PM

I would've given it a ten, but I gave it a 9 because I didn't like the random evil Lionel coming back right at the end. good episode :D

Mello Penelo

05-03-2007, 08:55 PM

I used to watch film noir with my ex-bf, so I really like them. But "Noir" was bad. I stopped watching right after Jimmy shot Lex.

Tonight's Scrubs and Penn & Teller were awesome, though.

green lantern_96

05-03-2007, 09:00 PM

yeah it was hard to watch

naffles

05-03-2007, 09:11 PM

Eh, it wasn't anything special. 5 physics-defying Chloes out of 10.

By the way, does anyone know if Erica Durance was actually singing?

If so, where's /our/ musical episode?!? ;)

Ginx

05-03-2007, 09:17 PM

Ok - as a stand alone episode I gave it a 9 and I loved the Noir - that being said I was kinda disappointed that they decided to show Noir now when we're right in the middle of a story arc. I know that there were subtle ties from Jimmy's dream and the 'real world' but overall I was really looking for a continuity from last week. I feel that they should have shown Noir right after the wedding or chosen a different order to show the episode. I know they probably did this to build momentum for next week- but still. I would have liked to have seen more of a continuation from last week.

But as a stand alone episode I thought it was nicely done. I liked that Jimmy got more of a play in the story, that they showed a bumbling Clark Kent (wish they would have shown more of him) and Chloe was just awesome.

Khyla

05-03-2007, 09:19 PM

i found myself laughing at parts of it, because of the old-time detective stuff. I thought it was way cool though and halarious at the same time seeing them all act in that genre and seeing them in the environment and dress of that era, even the reminiscent dialogue and tone of speech :lol: I found it quite entertaining and "different" . Not the best ep ever but I really enjoyed it! :)

(Definitely enjoyed the Chloisy introduction between Clark and CHloe :) and Clark catching Chloe near the end :) )

Honey45

05-03-2007, 09:23 PM

I'm so surprised so many people liked this episode.

I HATED it!! It was just awful.
I had a hard time sitting through it. If it was any show other than Smallville, I would have turned the TV off 30 seconds into the black-and-white crap.

HATED IT!

sphrkilo

05-03-2007, 09:28 PM

I enjoyed it as well, and I gave it an 8. I'm not even a fan of noir films, but I thought the filming and acting was pretty dead on, especially in the case of Allison. She had the speedy talk down. For most people who didn't like the acting, have you ever seen a 40s movie? They weren't so great. It was all period, and I thought it was great to get away from the darkness of the storyline at the moment. Maybe not the perfect timing, but still great nonetheless.

jaydee85

05-03-2007, 09:42 PM

So creative! I love an episode that they try something totally different. It still drove the storyline forward but let the cast and production team do something new and beautiful.

SVFan7337

05-03-2007, 09:42 PM

I thought it was a fun romp, a much needed break from all the 'ship angst before it returns with a vengeance. Since the show is a fantasy genre...I view these episodes that allow the actors to have some fun and play completely different characters as a nice little break from the norm and quite enjoyable when done well--as this one was. The "film noir" style was definitely well done.

I gave it an 8 because it lost points for Lana's injured arm switching sides randomly. But I loved a lot of things about the episode:

1. Tom in a wife beater....no words for it.
2. Tom in a suit with hair slicked back, playing the crimefighter
3. Tom in glasses playing the bumbling reporter...did anyone catch his "hunt and peck" system of typing? Too funny for words.
4. Clark shooting Lana with no remorse. That one will replay in the memory bank for years to come.
5. Clark catching Chloe and her mouthed "thank you"
6. Erica singing
7. Lois's kick-ass reporting moves, quick thinking, and unintimidated reactions
8. An elevator door closing repeatedly on Lana's leg
9. Everyone in the cast's acting job--I thought they all did great...with the exception of 40s Lionel.
10. Everyone slowly figuring out what may be going on in the present, from Lana to Chloe to Lois to Clark--even Lionel...everybody is starting to figure out various things of key importance to each individual...which I think is a clear build up to the finale.

BadToad

05-03-2007, 09:49 PM

I give this one an 8. It definitely scores an extra point for being original, and doing such a great job with the film noir dream sequence. The rest of the episode had a few problems, mostly that it was convaluted and slapped together.

Everyone looked so great. Especially TW who was hard to describe, he was so gorgeous.

And dorky Clark Kent in glasses was awesome! The episode gets high marks from me for that scene alone.

niki

05-03-2007, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by artemis_x
This was the worst episode in Smallville's history. I gave it a 1. I have never given a show a 1. A bad show for me usually gets a 7, but I found it so unbearable to watch I almost turned it off- I have never felt that before. The writing was awful- nothing happened in the dream sequence, and the acting was even worse. It was so painful to watch. I am a huge huge fan of the show but Noir has tainted it for me a little. I'm gonna have to go back and watch "Justice" again before next weeks show to get rid of the awful taste. Worst episode ever.

I gotta say I disagree.
"Krypto", anyone?
I thought that was the worst episode in Smallville history.

meggy

05-03-2007, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by SVFan7337
I thought it was a fun romp, a much needed break from all the 'ship angst before it returns with a vengeance. Since the show is a fantasy genre...I view these episodes that allow the actors to have some fun and play completely different characters as a nice little break from the norm and quite enjoyable when done well--as this one was. The "film noir" style was definitely well done.

I gave it an 8 because it lost points for Lana's injured arm switching sides randomly. But I loved a lot of things about the episode:

1. Tom in a wife beater....no words for it.
2. Tom in a suit with hair slicked back, playing the crimefighter
3. Tom in glasses playing the bumbling reporter...did anyone catch his "hunt and peck" system of typing? Too funny for words.
4. Clark shooting Lana with no remorse. That one will replay in the memory bank for years to come.
5. Clark catching Chloe and her mouthed "thank you"
6. Erica singing
7. Lois's kick-ass reporting moves, quick thinking, and unintimidated reactions
8. An elevator door closing repeatedly on Lana's leg
9. Everyone in the cast's acting job--I thought they all did great...with the exception of 40s Lionel.
10. Everyone slowly figuring out what may be going on in the present, from Lana to Chloe to Lois to Clark--even Lionel...everybody is starting to figure out various things of key importance to each individual...which I think is a clear build up to the finale.

you hit the nail on the spot repeatedly my friend!:D

jack1487

05-03-2007, 10:11 PM

I gave it a 10. Though that the 40's style was just like the movies that we used to watch during that time. And I feel that the cast did an outstanding job, everyone turned in a awesome performance tonight. I will for sure watch this one again.

Jack

Mr.

05-03-2007, 10:21 PM

i just watched it because of a stupid mlb game pisses me off but anyways

i gotta be honest i was not looking forward to this episode it looked crappy

all i could think of after the episode ended was HOLY S**T!!!
i dont care about all the jimmy crap but dude!!!
omg lionel didnt know about lex's deal with senator WHAATTT!! and lana is almost dead W00TTT !!
i give it a 100!!! its off the charts!! awesome episode

great job to all smallville crew writers and actors and cameras and scenarios and everybody! loved it

BWOracle

05-03-2007, 10:28 PM

Just finished up on the West Coast.

Although I have no objection to trying something different after 6 full seasons and for the most part a completely filler episode, I have to give the episode a 5/10.

I liked the attempt at an homage to 40's detective movies but it could have been much better. The whodunit storyline could have been more interesting and fluid than it turned out. It was a bit choppy and at times seem forced. The smoking was appropriate to the genre but the rising smoke was a little too intense as if they had an over-desire for ambiance. I'm sure in the current anti-smoking climate, they will probably get ripped and correctly so.

AM didn't sound comfortable attempting a New York accent. I also think the Noir scenes were very campy due to the fact that the story was really shot from Jimmy's perspective.

The ending stuff with Lionel, Lois, Lana and Chloe was sort of a shotgun blast of information which won't be tied together until the next two episodes. Again, trying to get out too much information in a choppy collection of scenes.

And what is it with the Narrows shot from Batman Begins now being the favorite establishing shot for Metropolis.

On the plus side, they made really good use of the existing sets. The meeting place for Lex and Lois was in the Kent Barn. The Talon, DP, and Luthor Mansion also worked well. As a car enthusiast, I really like the 30's/40's cars. They must have had every period car in Vancouver on set.

Most of the cast looked really good in the 40's fashions. IMO even though it only was shown for a few seconds, I think TW showed at least a little that he could pull off playing the iconic Clark Kent.

In the modern scenes, I liked the moment in the reporter's office when Jimmy yells to Chloe to call 911 and the next thing we see is Chloe's cell phone dialing Clark. I also liked Clark's Chloe catch and the repartee about the last second rescue. I also liked how Chloe ended up on the couch and kissing Jimmy as a diversion while he's trying to figure out how falling 10 stories onto a sofa could save her life.

In summary, okay but not great.

jimmyolsenblues

05-03-2007, 10:40 PM

i loved this episode. yes i am older than the average poster and maybe that is why is was so great. really loved this episode.

ClarkRules!

05-03-2007, 10:49 PM

this show gets better and better! this episode should be submitted as a short film and get an oscar.

ok, yeah it's not a new concept, but for a weekly CW show, this was INCREDIBLE! jeannot and glen winter have outdone themselves!

the 40's stuff was amazing! the lighting was incredible, the dialogue was supreme and the acting was great!
chloe with the fast clipped reporter dialogue
jimmy was really good as the everyman who has to step up.

and clark! wonderful in the brief cub reporter scene and then the suave undercover cop! GREAT! this just demonstrated WHO should have been Superman on the big screen!

everything was right on for a 40's noir movie!!!!!! and i think it was a great choice to mix it up for the fans!

and the other parts were good too.

my only complaints.............
not enough Clark!

the singing was horrible and not 40's, i could hear Simon screaming in the background.........

and a Lana was shot in the left shoulder, so in the hospital, why was the sling on the right???????
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!

but other than those minor details.....GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!

PS: i think Lana should move into the hospital since she's there like every 3 weeks!

redeem147

05-03-2007, 11:17 PM

What a gorgeous episode. Beautifully shot. One of my favourites in the series.

RMF

05-03-2007, 11:25 PM

Meh.

I've thought that a 40s- or 50s-style episode as a tribute to classic Superman would have been a cool idea, but a Jimmy-centric detective story just didn't do it for me. Jimmy, as a character, is just not worth it. He's fine as a minor figure, but I just don't buy into the cutesy thing, and he isn't interesting enough to carry an episode. I started clock watching at 8:30.

The noir dream sequence was pretty, but otherwise wasn't that great. Half the cast couldn't handle the 40s-style dialog, even normally good actors such as Mack and Glover. Rosenbaum probably made the best choice by not even bothering to sound any different than present-day Lex. Kreuk's Lauren Bacall femme fatale was pretty weak. Welling had a wonderful moment as the bumbling Clark Kent, but as for the whole suave bit, I could take it or leave it. Durance showed up and looked pretty, but did almost nothing but give us the queasies with the Lex-Lois kiss.

The present-day story had its moments, but had too many things I don't like. There was way too much Chlimmy. A little Chlimmy goes a very long way, and they were as treacly as ever. Every scene seemed to try to triple underscore how cute they were, when half the problem with the couple is how cute they are. :rolleyes: They also seemed to think that Lois stealing things from a crime scene made her uebercool. If they'd wanted to make her uebercool, then they should have shown her achieve more than to get immediately found out. The odd thing was Lionel playing the video right in front of her after she said she couldn't access it. Lionel doesn't make mistakes like that, so I wonder why he would give her the information gratis. Does it mean Lionel is playing Lois, or was it just the writers' half-assed way of letting us know what Lana was up to? Chloe calling Clark as her version of 911 was amusing, and the catch was nice, but the pause for joking around left me wondering if they wouldn't mind checking out the shooting upstairs, you know, catching the assassin, maybe saving Jimmy's life. Oh well.

It was nice to see Lana and Chloe almost have a transparent conversation for once. I was surprised that Lana came out and told her about Lionel's extortion instead of clamming up about it. She seemed to extract an agreement from Chloe not to tell Clark about the threat from Lionel, and Chloe appeared to be trying to keep it in her final scene with Clark, but then she basically spilled the beans by leading him through it. It makes a lot more sense to tell him of a threat against his life than not to, so I don't know why they even bothered having her hesitate.

PKII

05-03-2007, 11:30 PM

rated it a 3. No episode can be worse than Lana being a Vampire. :rolleyes: :lol: The money they could have saved not making this episode they could have put some good special effects on one of the prior episodes. :rolleyes:

Bonita_LovesSuperman

05-04-2007, 12:34 AM

This episode was ok, I think this episode was more for the older people, but not like 15 and 22 or something, if you know what I mean...

If you enjoyed 40s 50s movies you will like this, I'm use too the colored TV so I wasn't over hppy but it was still a good episode:D:D

foreversmallville

05-04-2007, 03:35 AM

I thought Noir was good...but it wasn't the best. I think the writers could have done more with an episode like that.

Piz_and_Veronica

05-04-2007, 05:10 AM

I loved it, it was so awesome. But I was bummed that they didn't stay in the 40's that long!

smallvilleobsessor17

05-04-2007, 05:17 AM

I gave it a two just because there was a snazzy fake Clana kiss. Otherwise, it was pointless.

maryjanewatson

05-04-2007, 05:35 AM

I loved it! it could have used a little more clark, but i loved that they ventured out and did something different! I enjoyed it, and i give it a 9. it would have been a 10 if there had been more bumbling clark. that was hot.

skywalker28

05-04-2007, 05:57 AM

Liked:
-Clark with the glasses (TW did the Christopher Reeves mannerisms from the Superman movies perfectly)
-Clark/Chloe moment
-Lana/Chloe scene
-Lana getting shot

Disliked:
-The whole 40s thing

Overall I didn't like the episode, luckily I didn't have high hopes for it to begin with.

friday

05-04-2007, 06:23 AM

Clark should have been the main protagonist in this episode instead of Jimmy.

Originally posted by smallvilleobsessor17
I gave it a two just because there was a snazzy fake Clana kiss. Otherwise, it was pointless.

Even though they had to kiss 1940's closed mouth style, it still turned out hot.

MackLove

05-04-2007, 07:13 AM

A Jimmy ep? Really?

I gave it a 7 because I love old movies AND Ms Mack did a great job in the '40s. And for the record, I would SOOO watch a Chloe spinoff!!

Red_K_Advocate

05-04-2007, 07:36 AM

I personally didn't like this episode. This show is supposed to be about Clark and his development into Superman, not some delusional fantasy of Jimmy's.

I think that the only significant part of the episode was the last five minutes.

Oh Smallville, how far you've fallen...

skylar

05-04-2007, 07:43 AM

I give a 9 out 10. The acting from Chloe was good. The dress Lois was wearing it stunning. Jimmy was also good.
Love to see Clark in tank top.

Bosrudorfer

05-04-2007, 07:52 AM

I say 5. The dream was boring but the last 10 minutes of the show helped redeem the episode.

Everyone did a great job of acting.

griffolyon12

05-04-2007, 08:26 AM

10/10!!!!!!! Definitely one of the best of the season,in my opinion.

ozmette

05-04-2007, 08:34 AM

i'm sorry to say i really didn't like this episode. jimmy centered - really? why? what was the point? i couldn't buy into jimmy as a lead character even for a second. i was looking forward to this episode just for the fun factor (especially after so much seriousness) but it fell flat. lex and lois smooching - yuck! the only redeeming thing was seeing clark in glasses.

Ilovebeinglost

05-04-2007, 08:48 AM

Can someone tell me what Lex said as he was dying? I've watched it over and over and I can't hear it due to the music being louder than him.

Thanks

Altheablue76

05-04-2007, 08:50 AM

I was really, really, really disappointed with this episode. I was excited about the black and white, and although it looked good, too many bad elements make this episode overall a crappy one. First, Chloe's fall in the Planet. Oh my goodness, give me a break. That was one of the worst effects I've ever seen, going all the way back to the first season. Second, why didn't Clark visit Lana in the hospital like he always does? I thought they we working on "keeping her safe" from Lex before the "war" starts? It seemed to me that Lana was lying to Chloe based on what Lois said about Lionel's reponse to see the video of Lex and the senator, too. I think Lana's over the edge in all of it, and I don't see her getting pulled back, which sucks.

luvgabe

05-04-2007, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by skylar
Lois can really sing.

Sorry, although I like Erica Durance as Lois, she CANNOT sing. Her singing was simply awful, as was this episode. Most of the acting was really bad. Completely unbelievable--and I'm a huge Smallville fan.

GaidinDre

05-04-2007, 09:36 AM

I gave it a 10. I thought the dream was done very well and I loved all the foreshadowing. My favorite part was Jimmy telling Clark I never figured you to be someone with a secret identity and Clerk replying you never will.

All about Clark

05-04-2007, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
I say 5. The dream was boring but the last 10 minutes of the show helped redeem the episode.

This is my sediments exactly.

Mello Penelo

05-04-2007, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by luvgabe
Sorry, although I like Erica Durance as Lois, she CANNOT sing. Her singing was simply awful, as was this episode. Most of the acting was really bad. Completely unbelievable--and I'm a huge Smallville fan.

I agree.

Originally posted by All about Clark
This is my sediments exactly.

Sentiments. Sediments is dirt, sand and rock settled by erosion and water.

Elite

05-04-2007, 09:59 AM

what a rubbish episode. i was confused throughout, felt like id missed a few episodes

Blue screen of death

05-04-2007, 10:36 AM

outstanding epi, I really liked it a lot. The throwback to the 40's was cool. I really thought it was done pretty good. The interaction between everyone was good. I liked the massive info dump about what's to come in the last 2 epi's of the season. I saw aspects of superman from every era lastnight.

On another note. Is it just me or has clark gotten more powerful this season? It seams that he moves faster, and is stronger. Uses his powers "regularily" now with certainy and poise. He has actually reminded me a little bit of dean caines superman from L&C in the way that he uses his powers now. He really seems to be "on the path" now. Sure he is/will still make dumb mistakes but the road to greatness is not smooth nor straight.

sailfindragon

05-04-2007, 11:11 AM

I love the 40's theme to it and thought it was well done. Unfortunately i only gave it a 5, the overall episode is not smallvilles best. Looking forward to next weeks.

newfamfan

05-04-2007, 11:15 AM

I loved it...Tom was too hot in it not to.

I gave it an 8 simply because NOT enough Clark.

The clark/lana kiss made me think...HOT...could be Tom though*Smile*

Kirstycol

05-04-2007, 11:44 AM

I felt like this was mostly a comic relief episode. Especially with Jimmy in it. But I really feel bad for Kristen Kreuk. It's like the writers just don't want to give her the opportunity to be anything other than the nauseating damsel in distress. And they just iconified it in this episode. Although I'm sure they were going for the whole femme fatal thing, it just didn't come off that way, with Lana ending up in the hospital AGAIN!!! Geezzz
Lana was awesome in Nemisis, I was so happy that they were finally helping her character stand on her own two feet. But then they just ripped it away with this episode.

But I agree that Clark was damn hot in this episode.
And who couldn't love Lex.. yummmm

knight4iam

05-04-2007, 11:51 AM

Just because a show can make a "theme" episode, that doesn't mean they should.

I'm going to watch this a second time to see if my opinion changes, but I think this might be the most pointless episode in... well, for as long as I've been watching. The actors may have had some fun, but I found myself wanting to change channels (something that never happens with Smallville and me).

Perhaps a Wizard of Oz piece would have done better?

Lana as Dorithy
Ma and Pa Kent as the parents
Clark as the Tin Man (Man of Tin???)
Jimmy as the Cowardly Lion (Something about his face fits that role)
Lex as the Scarecrow (I'd pay to see Lex as the Scarecrow)

Lois would be an excellent Good Witch
And of course, Chloe as the Bad Witch

Then Lionel as the Wizard and the other incarnations of that character.

There you have it. The cast could have had a blast with that.

CallMeClark

05-04-2007, 11:58 AM

I missed the episode. :( And I can't even watch it. The CW doesn't have Smallville episodes online. :( And YouTube hasn't uploaded the epi either.

upsidedown

05-04-2007, 12:09 PM

Frankly speaking, I'll watch whatever Tom's in.

That being said, it was Ok:
Very good acting, though. Specially Michael, Tom, Allison, and Aaron. (Although Tom... in that second after Clark said "the kid's with me" at The Talon's front door and look at Jimmy; not good ...just gorgeous :mad: ).

ClarksGal

05-04-2007, 12:16 PM

I really didn't have high expectations for this one going in, but I was very impressed. I thought they did a pretty good job of making a Noir film inside the episode...I was actually wondering who was the bad guy and who was the good guy. But they ended up adding some really supermanly stuff in the episode too. I loved the Chloe catch and thank you. I really had to think about it at the end to figure out who actually shot Lana.

I do kind of agree with some of the other posters that they would have liked it more if it hadn't been near the end of the season like this. But the triangles wouldn't really have been in place for the story to make sense then, so I'm all good with it.

The only thing that I really thought was weird was that Lana told Chloe what was going on. And then told her not to tell Clark. I mean, why tell Chloe? Maybe there's a reason and I just didn't see it, but it seemed pointless to me...if you're going to have Chloe know why not just tell Clark about it? But hey, whatever.

I gave it an 8.

Fly by guy

05-04-2007, 12:27 PM

I found the eppy to be slow VERY predictable. Mostly it was DULL, like cutting a steak with a 2 x 4 and adding a slab of cheese.
What a wasted episode after last week.

samanta

05-04-2007, 12:50 PM

I didn't like so much. It was kind of boring and predictable. Jimmy's dream was awful. I thought it could be fun but it wasn't. I hate what they did with Lana, Chloe and Lois in dream.

Kryptonian-Ronin

05-04-2007, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Fly by guy
I found the eppy to be slow VERY predictable. Mostly it was DULL, like cutting a steak with a 2 x 4 and adding a slab of cheese.
What a wasted episode after last week.

:lol:

clois_not_clana

05-04-2007, 01:07 PM

I liked this episode. Allison Mack's acting reminded me of Noel Neill, who played Lois in The Adventures of Superman. The dream sequence was very good, and I rated this episode a 7.

BlueNRed2

05-04-2007, 01:10 PM

Scored a 5 from me. Not my favorite episode but then again, i never like the episodes that go "back in time". Of course it was only a dream but still....not my format of choice. Acting was fine and it was kinda odd to see the cast smoking it up but not enough to help me enjoy the episode.

The parts that continued the storyline in the present were great tho. Cant wait till next week.

Saber

05-04-2007, 01:14 PM

I gave this episode a very low score. I think the problem for me was that it wasn’t melodramatic enough or even theatrically classic. It attempted to be stylish but fell short.
The actor’s dialogue timing and the pace of the episode was not in sync with what they were trying portray. I didn’t mine the cheesiness or even if it went over-the-top, what I did mine was that it didn’t deliver a memorable performance by any one.
It just didn’t win me over but I gave them one check point for trying something new.
I hope next week, the “past” is behind them and they are back to the future.

Super Maverick

05-04-2007, 01:35 PM

meh

Guslav

05-04-2007, 01:49 PM

1. Lana was wounded in LEFT shoulder...
2. ...then i can see thats RIGHT one...
3. ...when Lionel was talking to her its LEFT...
4. ...and then again in hospital when she was talking with Chloe we can see thats RIGHT shoulder is on the sling... i gave 5... and i dont know why!!!

oh... and one thing... LOIS CANT SING!!! horror

MidgardDragon

05-04-2007, 03:21 PM

It was very very good as a parody/tribute to old cheesy detective stories. 10/10 in that area. It was passable as a Smallville episode. 8/10 in that area. I'll keep it as an 8/10 overall.

Acejournalist82

05-04-2007, 03:59 PM

Tha show was okay. It was definately not the best Smallville episode. But I think it will be a memorable one.

monel49

05-04-2007, 06:18 PM

don't play it again sam

seriously, it was an okay ep but probably still the weakest of the season. Give it a 6. The film noir look was done well but since that part of the episode did nothing to advance the overall plot it seemed more an attempt of the writers to have a go at a genre. Kind of amusing, but I really would have rather had another episode like Nemesis.

271ingy

05-04-2007, 08:53 PM

pretty ordinary episode - more of lana getting hurt again, more whiney clark, more sanctimonious chloe and oblivious jimmy.

Glad its out of the way and i hope the next 2 make up for it.

skully

05-04-2007, 09:33 PM

I gave it a 9. I thought it was an outstanding episode. I think many SVfans didn't get what TPTB were attempting, and in my view, succeeded in. As a 40s movie buff, Jimmy saw the dream in that hokey, melodramatic, even wooden style with simplistic scripts that was so prevalent in 40s film-making and acting (ala Bogart). I thought AM and JG particularly pulled off that style brilliantly. KK did OK as the vamp as well.

Add that to the answer to why Lionel made Lana marry Lex, the 911 Chlark catch ("You didn't have to wait for till the last second, you know." - "What fun would that be?") and the thankyou and nod moment immediately after, the Lana double-cross, the Chlana dance around what each knows about Clark, the cute Chimmy, and the numerous humorous moments (my fave was clumsy Clark patting Chloe's chest!!). We also got a nice lead into Prototype with the scene on Lana's flash drive featuring Senator Burke and Lex talking about Project Ares.

My only deductions was for a clumsy continuity error. Lana was shot in the left shoulder yet had a sling on her right arm in hospital. One would expect the bullet to damage her left collarbone, not her right.

ravidubey

05-04-2007, 10:03 PM

Quite simply the most boring and ill-conceived show of the season. Nothing made sense from start to finish; it was like it was crammed together with everyone going through the motions at this point. So Lionel had Lana shot with Lex's gun. And this is normal behavior why??

No investigation to speak of, just Lana getting shot and ho hum it's another day in Metropolis? It was a contrived piece of junk just to work in the whole "noir" concept.

I have loved this show, and really hate seeing it simply go bad. The season started out great, and has stalled badly. I'm praying the last couple of epi's are sensational, but somehow I feel it's going to be lame and the only advancement of the plot will come next year after a really limp cliffhanger-- if there is a next year. Sad.

Imzadia

05-04-2007, 10:37 PM

I rated "Noir" a 7/10, because I thought it was FUN to watch. It was definitely a Tribute to the B/W movies of that era. I STILL LOVE watching some of those movies even today. So, like "Silent_Kal" and "Luthor5339", I appreciate their efforts to give us something 'different' to enjoy. The movie Jimmy had playing in his office area was 'Perfect' to show us what they were doing with it. Who better than Bogart & Bacall to set the mood? In the B/W version, Jimmy's dream, Clark, Lionel, and especially Chloe, were in great 'film noir' character. Chloe's little 'click-click, fast-paced speech to Jimmy about sleeping on the job was perfectly delivered, IMO, and reminded me of those old B/W movies so much. Even Lana had that manipulative, rich, mysterious damsel-in-distress routine character down pat...I just HATE that whispering she does...ALL-THE-TIME!! I even got my husband to watch this one with me, and he suggested that maybe Lana thought she sounded sexy. Wow! Men are loopy sometimes. Anyway, even with the Continuity errors, I enjoyed this episode.

The Ship!

05-05-2007, 12:00 AM

Another low point. Acting was Horrible!! I was with some real actors and they were all laughing..
Hope you don't take it personal..but man it is as if they stopped trying. I mean what is going on?? So Everything that happens in SV is around Lana??? Does CK has a life now...beside that as the sole protector of Lana?? A 12 year old could writer better scripts.

Nuff said: I was really dissappointed this time. It is now a shame that all is lost...the only thing i look forward to now is the End of this crama.

skully

05-05-2007, 02:48 AM

I'm betting Triplett (as a cinematography buff) gives this 4.5 silver cigarette cases out of 5.

Originally posted by The Ship!
Another low point. Acting was Horrible!! I was with some real actors and they were all laughing..
Hope you don't take it personal..but man it is as if they stopped trying. I mean what is going on?? So Everything that happens in SV is around Lana??? Does CK has a life now...beside that as the sole protector of Lana?? A 12 year old could writer better scripts.

Nuff said: I was really dissappointed this time. It is now a shame that all is lost...the only thing i look forward to now is the End of this crama. Clearly you don't get it. The acting was quite good because they were mimicking the acting style of the 40s, which in today's terms, looks pretty ordinary. So, in effect, the poorer the acting looked, the better it was. Evidence - JG's over the top performance at the bar-tending fallen mob leader. It was high camp and brilliant.

I get the fact that all those who want superspeed, xrayvision, and bullet-deflecting from minute 1 to minute 42 aren' t happy, but I liked it!!!

jor-eldeux

05-05-2007, 07:22 AM

Well here goes after a couple of days reflecting. It's a TV show. I have come to not expect much - but after last week - with all the twists coming to light I had hope - only to have it dashed again.

TW as Clark in the "dream sequence" - go back and take a look - he looks/acts a lot like Christopher Reeve. The resemblence (probably intentional) was striking. However, in both the comics and in the original TV show - Clark was not a blumbing goof. He was a sharp reporter who got his interview with Perry White by climbing in the window. He and Lois were always working together to get the story. Her main complaint was he always disappeared when there was trouble.

Now the dream sequence - hey - when I can figure it out before the character - not really smart. My guess is the episode looked good at the pitch meeting and once it was in - it was too late to change it.

As for the bullet/wound - are you all not familiar with "magic bullets" that are able to make right turns within the victims body and exit outside of the trajectory? If not - please see Arlen Specter he can explain it all.

If I were KK - I would ask out of my contract. For such a good lookin dame to get tossed around in character - I'd tell 'em to take a hike. Her and TW should run off and start a series where she changes her name to Lois Lane to hide from the Luthor's (after obtaining an annulment on the grounds of fraud) where they do hook up - and they have a really nice life together. He goes to FOS and absorbs the knowledge of his father. Then ... he comes back and uses his superpowers to fight for truth, justice and freedom. (Political statement there if you get my drift). I think that would make a really great show.

As for this episode .... I gave it a two - not the worst because it had its moments. I would have preferred a rerun.

sierramoon131

05-05-2007, 09:38 AM

The episode I thought was OK, and the B&W stuff was a nice touch.

However, I'm caught up in the direction of SV and the dream sequence seemed to get in my way of seeing the current action.

I don't like the way Lana revealed her secret, or at least part of it.
It shouldn't have been to Chloe, but to Clark, and in a different manner, although I'm not sure how.

I guess this leaves room for another shot at it, though. Lana will still have to confess the truth to Clark (and maybe, hopefully, doubtfully), Clark will come clean to Lana. ("I'm not from around here.")

GooN

05-05-2007, 11:24 AM

nice change.

I thought it was a good episode, good to see some diversity....maybe it came a little too late in the season though...

Nothing much really been given away in this episode, we already knew Lana was being pressured by Lionel, the only new thing was her getting shot trying to expose Lex......desperate times eh?

Now Lex and Clark have switched their radars to cover Lionel, which sets up the ending of the season to a battle between the trio of some sort.
I would have thought the phantom stuff would be covered sooner rather than this late in the season....no idea as to how many there are out there or what clark is doing to stop them?

hmm.

7/10 - mainly for its originality.

Bosrudorfer

05-05-2007, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by jor-eldeux

If I were KK - I would ask out of my contract. For such a good lookin dame to get tossed around in character - I'd tell 'em to take a hike. Her and TW should run off and start a series where she changes her name to Lois Lane to hide from the Luthor's (after obtaining an annulment on the grounds of fraud) where they do hook up - and they have a really nice life together. He goes to FOS and absorbs the knowledge of his father. Then ... he comes back and uses his superpowers to fight for truth, justice and freedom. (Political statement there if you get my drift). I think that would make a really great show.

I would dump Smallville and watch that in a heart beat! :D

superaussiebabe

05-05-2007, 07:33 PM

Thought it was a great episode I love the 40s dream squence.... was quite funny.. Welldone to cast and crew

InLove_with_Chloe

05-05-2007, 08:40 PM

I had to give it another '5'.....

I swear, if Clark yells at Chloe one more time for keeping a secret, I'm gonna drive to Vancouver and slap him myself!!!
:mad:

GrammarNazi

05-05-2007, 10:44 PM

Who else noticed that The Daily Planet plaque in the dream sequence was the same as the plaque from the old Superman series of the 1950s with George Reeves?

Kaya

05-06-2007, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by GrammarNazi
Who else noticed that The Daily Planet plaque in the dream sequence was the same as the plaque from the old Superman series of the 1950s with George Reeves?

I've just seen the episode and dived into the forum to say that :) that was a nice touch :)

clark and lois fan

05-06-2007, 08:37 PM

I loved tom welling channeling old chris reeve that is a realy good look on tom:D
the lex lois love afair was a little creepy to me but nice to see that lex forgot for 2 second about lana yea:)
Jimmy love him he is just to dang funny and the way he is with sweet darling chloe love that
the only thing missing in the ganster dream was mama kent that would have been a little better or maybe just a mention would have been nice lol
love the mb ganster talk that is just to funny

upsidedown

05-07-2007, 07:51 AM

Read Triplet's "Noir" Review!

Right on!!
Review (http://www.kryptonsite.com/noirreview.htm) :eek:

Sweetie

05-07-2007, 08:25 AM

I gave it a 7.Dorky Clark and cool Clark was a great foreshadowing,Tom did a good job.John was wonderfull in the role of the very smooth bartender.Aaron and Alison were excellent.Michael was amazing defenetly owned the vilain role.Erika did a honest performance.Kristen was awfull that look did do nothing to help her this time.Her scratchy voice was more annoying than usual and her acting was extremely weak.

web_surfer

05-07-2007, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Luthor5339
Clark wasn't trying to be Christopher Reeve. He was just trying to be the entity of Clark Kent the Daily Planet guy.

The suave guy and the way he acted is characteristic of the characters like that in old black and white films

And, yep 10/10...

As I said earlier, I can understand why some may hate it... but, having spent a year studying films this is similar to- it's a real great tribute to that era of film making. From effects to dialouge and acting choices.

Who cares about how they made the film ...were here to be entertained and so far this episode sucked bigtime as well as no one cares that you studing films......
As the series progresses we are seeing less and less of Clark using his abilities ...i want to see some action if i wanted to see black & white movies id watch charlie chaplin lol

JonboyKalel

05-07-2007, 06:37 PM

this was the worst episode of smallville ive seen and ive seen every episode at least 5 times
why did it have to be jimmys dream
jimmy has no importance at all it didnt pertain to anything

clark and lois fan

05-07-2007, 07:19 PM

no jonboykalel I would have to dissagree with you noir is awesome the worst smallvile eppys ever are as followed
1 thrist
2 devoted
3 facade
4 redux
5 deleat

JonboyKalel

05-07-2007, 08:44 PM

id have to disagree with you there buddehh
devoted facade and redux were all phenomenal episodes

kryptonaidxh

05-08-2007, 10:08 AM

:) :rolleyes: Actually my five points were only for Lois, because the hole story was boring and really bad, I was hoping finally see the Cklana nightmare ended after "promise" and a closing between Clark and Lois or Chloe ´cause it was just a dram of Jimmy but the cklana nightmare again:( :rolleyes: , don´t writters listen to us? we´re sick of that already.
And the Lois-Lex story; that was terrible too, where did the writters take the awful idea of Lois and Lex having an affair?!:(
Lois is too smart and fast minded to be interested in Lex, Lois is not fool and naive like Lana to believe in Lex´s lies, Lois actually hates Lex mostly since he called her "muffing seller", she knows Lex in a evil guy and a snake so she would never finds Lex cute, not even in dreams. exept for Clark and Lois the episode sucked!:rolleyes: :(

magoo

05-08-2007, 01:42 PM

What a steaming pile of dog turd!

I can't believe they're doing filler episodes this late into the season. And even for a filler episode this was dire!

2/10

JonboyKalel

05-08-2007, 07:43 PM

totally agree with you magoo
looking forward to seeing how they end this season

LexLuv180

05-09-2007, 01:45 PM

It was a neat idea in a way, but I wasnt in the mood for another storyline. I hate when people do that with any show. One thing for sure - everyone looked really hot in Noir!

Cyclops1974

05-10-2007, 04:50 PM

Yuck!!! Blaagh!!! Hated it. One of the worst smallville episodes ever. 6 out of 10.

It's not that I' m against doing something out of the ordinary. But do it right!!! Anyone remember Hush, from old time Buffy glory days?

Doing something different doesn't necessarily mean that they couldn't have given it meaning. It could have been done much better. First of all. I would've given the suggestion that they watched the entire movie. Second of all I wouldn't have gotten Jimmy to dream, but Chloe and not due to a blow on the head, but more like chloroform. Would've made the dreaming while unconscious a bit more realistic. Also with Chloe knowing a lot more about the story arc, they could've put some more plot stuff in the dream. Hell maybe even finally a hint of Chloe's meteor freak abilities (anybody else feel like they're just forgetting about that, or maybe waiting for the 7th (final?) season to make Chloe go meteor bad and have her killed to fit in with the superman universe continuity?).

Anyway. Now the dream felt like it could've fit anywhere this season (although with lex and lana married in the dream, it probably would've fit the best right after that ep). But with Jimmy leaving it felt a bit like they needed to do this now because of some contract thing with Aaron (maybe his contract ended? anybody got some more info there maybe?).

So to make a long story short, which they could've done this episode, the episode just was wrong. The so called plot advancements really weren't plot advancements. We already knew Lionel had a double agenda. His position in the plot has got me confused already for a while so there really wasn't any need to do this. And the Chloe and Lana I know what you know scene feels a bit too familiar. Haven't they done something like that in... say... THE LAST EPISODE?!?!? Even the Clark being confused about Lana's motives has been done and making him more confused? Well they could've done that anywhere in the next episodes I bet.

So in the end this was just a filler episode to say farewell for now to Jimmy/Aaron. They couldn't have gotten him killed, because of continuity, so they just made this episode and decided to throw in a couple of plot things we basically already knew. My guess is that this would've been a far better episode if they did the film noir thing a bit better, or at least if they would've given the story in the dream a better thought and plot. And left the real story arc for what it was.

This just felt rushed. Like: "Oh my god. Aaron is leaving next week. Uh we missed that in the story didn't we? Uh, Brian? Kelly? Can you come up with a story within 5 days?"

Well you get the point. I could've done without this episode. Would've saved me 45 minutes of watching and another 45 minutes of ranting (and hey, I'm Dutch, so ranting in English takes a lot of time for me)