What did you hate about "Nemesis"?

[Nospam]

Kryptonite. The effects on Clark are so frustratingly inconsistent.

[citizenlen]

How come the poll says Promise?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by citizenlen
How come the poll says Promise?

Oops. :o

Could a mod edit that, please?

[maryjanewatson]

the kryptonite inconsistency bugs me too. I mean, just int he previous episode, chloe put one piece of GK in clarks pocket, and he can barely move, and eventually passes out from the pain. but this episode he is completely surrounded by it, yet he can still walk and crawl and climb?! What is that?!?!?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
the kryptonite inconsistency bugs me too. I mean, just int he previous episode, chloe put one piece of GK in clarks pocket, and he can barely move, and eventually passes out from the pain. but this episode he is completely surrounded by it, yet he can still walk and crawl and climb?! What is that?!?!?

I know. In Blank, Clark was surrounded by large quantities of refined meteor rock yet he still had the strength to knock the vials over. In another episode, Clark used the Kryptonite that he keeps in a lead box to weaken himself while practicing throwing a football. I mean, it's utterly inconsistent.

[maryjanewatson]

exactly! there are soooo many examples of it that we could probably go on forever. and then some. but i will spare my fingers the typing, and just trust that most people know them all. *sigh*

Kryptonite effects Clark at the rate of plot. if the plot needs it to cripple him, it will. and if plot needs it to just take his powers and make him wince a little as to acknowledge it's presence, it will. :rolleyes:

[Westix]

Ye the kryptonite effects are hilarious. One day he goes unconscious, one day he just can't do anything, one day he feels sick...make up your mind please?!?

[Liriel]

voted for 5 of the above and would like to add the "I saw my friend" ending as another thing I hated.

[friday]

I'm still trying to figure out what Lionel is up to. :confused:

[Kal-alien]

I have to agree with the kryptothing. But Maybe he was so intent on not dying he fought through the pain. WHo knows. Maybe some Kryptonite is more than potent. Maybe They just use it as a conveinent plot devise. Maybe (just maybe) It's a television show written by to many people which is bound to generate inconsistancies. But still, that's a biggie.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

There is more kryptonite in Smallville than hair on on Bigfoot's ass.

[Chloe>All]

I also went with the kryptonite inconsistencies. It bothered me a lot. Especially when it affected Clark so badly in just the last episode.

[Super Maverick]

no Lois!!!

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
There is more kryptonite in Smallville than hair on on Bigfoot's ass.

I made mention of that fact a while ago when someone pointed out the inconsistencies of Kryptonite in another episode. Meteor rock has to be everywhere and in everything -- the water, the air, food, plants, etc. Presumably, Clark should be exposed to varying concentrations of Kryptonite every day.

[samanta]

What I dislike most is the scene when Chloe came to tell Lana about Clark being in cave. It didn't look to me like Lana is still in love with Clark.

[thorshammer]

I'm not fixated on the usual inconsistencies of the kryptonite anymore, but Clark telling Lex about Lana's pre-wedding jitters was just stupid. That's something I'd expect out of the season 2 Clark, but not now. He would know by now Lex would use it against Lana and there was nothing to gain by giving up the revelation, even if he thought Lex did it and not Lionel. It's nice the writers let us know Clark knows they did something to her, but......that was just stupid.

[Kal-alien]

Originally posted by smanta
What I dislike most is the scene when Chloe came to tell Lana about Clark being in cave. It didn't look to me like Lana is still in love with Clark.

TO me it loked like she was trying to not react too much when she learned about Clark in the Cave. She couldn't very well blatently say she wanted her husband to die could she? well I guess so. But still.

[samanta]

Originally posted by Kal-alien
TO me it loked like she was trying to not react too much when she learned about Clark in the Cave. She couldn't very well blatently say she wanted her husband to die could she? well I guess so. But still. But showing some fear for Clark wouldn't prove her guilty for Lex.

[StrippedSmile]

That Lana is so confusing. Out of the blue she's now a badass taking care of herself? I now most people like that, but it frustrates me..

[Fillesmall]

I don't think I hated anything, great episode, Evil Lana ftw =)

[velocity]

Originally posted by samanta
But showing some fear for Clark wouldn't prove her guilty for Lex.
Her newfound knowledge about Clark made it more comforting, but if she didn't know about it, i think her reaction would've been different.

Besides their moment after Clark and Lex got out of the tunnel says it all - They still long for each other deeply.


Anyway, i think Clark telling Lex about Lana wanting to leave him on their wedding day was the worst. Not wise Clark, not wise.

[samanta]

Originally posted by velocity
Her newfound knowledge about Clark made it more comforting, but if she didn't know about it, i think her reaction would've been different.

Besides their moment after Clark and Lex got out of the tunnel says it all - They still long for each other deeply. Yes, that's why I didn't like the scene between Chloe and Lana. To me it didn't look like she cares much about him and in other scene she loves him again.

[SupeK]

Lana.

The show was going along at a great clip and got derailed everytime they cut to her scenes.

Clark and Lex were having a great conversation and (of course) they start talking about Lana - SCREEECH - that whole great dialog came to a screeeching halt.

She's a despicable character badly acted.

[supercatmom]

The kryptonite was there to be just enough to make Clark bleed and keep him weak enough so he could not use his super powers to break out of the caves. It was a plot device. TPTB use green kryptonite as a plot device to do to Clark whatever the particular episode needs it to do.

Clark told Lex about Lana saying she was going to leave him on the day of the wedding because Clark has a fixation on why she changed her mind. Clark thinks that Lex did something to make her chang he mind and marry him. And it is driving him crazy to know what that was.

And also I think that at that point Clark did not believe that either him or Lex would make it out of the caves alive.

But I voted for Lionel's reason for forcing Lana to marry Lex not making any sense. Why would Lana marrying Lex protect Clark?

The kryptonite was there to be just enough to make Clark bleed and keep him weak enough so he could not use his super powers to break out of the caves. It was a plot device. TPTB use green kryptonite as a plot device to do to Clark whatever the particular episode needs it to do.

Clark told Lex about Lana saying she was going to leave him on the day of the wedding because Clark has a fixation on why she changed her mind. Clark thinks that Lex did something to make her chang he mind and marry him. And it is driving him crazy to know what that was.

And also I think that at that point Clark did not believe that either him or Lex would make it out of the caves alive.

But I voted for Lionel's reason for forcing Lana to marry Lex not making any sense. Why would Lana marrying Lex protect Clark?

[meteor_phreak]

i voted the inconistency in kryptonite. in one episode, clark can't move if he's within 10 feet of the rock in his house, and in the next he can brush it off, run past it, even crawl through a tunnel lined in it?

I can't front on the explanation from lionel not making sense yet, since it hasn't played out all the way. i'll reserve judgement for now.

I hated the clana hug at the end, and how chloe was left holding the proverbial bag while lana stole the spotlight again...

[Ginx]

I had to go with "It was stupid for Clark to admit to Lex that Lana was going to run out on him."

Why oh why would he just say that. I get that he was in pain and that he wanted to bring Lex down a notch. But still. Not very hero like. :rolleyes:

But yeah - the Kryptonite should have a standard effect based on the amount near Clark.

No Shelby or Lois :confused: But I guess they can't be in EVERY episode.

[Deana]

No Lois or Shelby. That is a major deduction there.

I'm also tired of the cheap Kryptonite to cripple Clark plow. Why hasn't he died being exposed to so much Kryptonite?

He should have major brain damage too. Wow, something he and Lana have in common.

[xrayvision]

I chose "It was stupid for Clark to admit to Lex that Lana was going to run out on him" and also didn't like how Clark allowed Lana to get so close to him when she's friggin' married to Lex.

[SaberFireTiger]

The Clana handsex. Lol. Really though, that scene was too drawn out with them seeing eachother, Lana running over, the almost kiss/hug thing.

[chlana_sandwich]

Lana firing the gun in the house was pretty dumb. Those slugs had to go somewhere and were probably embedded in the floor. That assumes they didn't richochet off the briefcase and hit her. Also, she likely would have shattered the glass desktop, firing in such close proximity. Of course, there would be burn marks and gunshot residue. Then, she made up the story about the cops shooting open the briefcase. It just didn't seem realistic.

[meteor_phreak]

i'm used to having tv shows completely ignore casings and ricochets...smallville is nowhere near the first to do that.

[freefall]

Originally posted by supercatmom
But I voted for Lionel's reason for forcing Lana to marry Lex not making any sense. Why would Lana marrying Lex protect Clark?

Everyone needs to be protected from Lana. :D

I've read about this theory somewhere, it makes sense to me in a way but I don't know if you'd agree. Basically it could be that Lionel is still very much channelling Jor-El, and both Jor-El and Lionel himself knew it was Isobel in Lana's body who murdered Genevieve Teague.

It stained the stone with human blood and opened the portal for Zod and his disciples per Arrival. So maybe Jor-El doesn't like Lana very much because of that and doesn't think she's suited for his son lol. So when both Clark and Lana decided to elope and ride off into the sunset, he simply just had to step in and thus the whole Lionel threatening Lana he'd kill Clark, "protecting" his son in his own twisted way.

[Joelito]

Kryptonite's effects on Clark are incredibly inconsistent + "Darkana" :)

[foreversmallville]

There wasn't really anything I disliked about this episode.

I try to overlook the inconsistent effects of Kryptonite on Clark...because there was no way that Lex would be able to completely save both of them in this episode.

I loved Lana.

I would hope that Lex wouldn't allow Clark to die...and who really wants Clex kisses and Hugs. LOL

[maryjanewatson]

I actually love that clark told lex about what happened on the wedding day. Clark is finally giving lex a taste of his own medicine. using his fears to intimidate him. plus, clark was sure they were going to die down there, and he just wanted to hurt lex once more before they died. it obviously struck a cord, and I am glad he did it.

now, if he told lex that lana was just going to leave him there to die until she heard that clark was down there, that would just be unwise and much much worse.

[Drakaun]

I can understand why some people might be bothered by the Kryptonite inconsistencies, but I am not bothered by it so much. The way I look at it, considering Clark was able to get through the tunnel system before the explosion, leads me to believe that the walls have lead in them. Considering there was Kryptonite burried and half burried by other rocks and such I just assumed that there might be trace amounts of lead, which semi shielded Clark from Kryptonite so that it didn't make him keel over so much as weaken him to make him seem more human. That is how I view it and it makes sense to me, in a way.

As for Lionel's reasoning for forcing Lana to marry Lex, I can understand that, it can be a couple different scenarios. Say he really does want to protect Clark, that is simple. Just think like Lex for a moment. Had Lana walked out on him during that wedding and ran off with Clark, who was Lex going to be mad at and blame, Clark. And in losing Lana he probably would go off the deep end and focus all of his efforts in bringing Clark and his secrets down making Clark's life a living hell, or even killing him eventually. The other way you can look at it is, perhaps Lionel was lying out of his teeth just to confuse Lana and make her less inclined to kill him right then and there. By telling her it is to protect Clark I am sure she would be so freaking confused she would probably leave him alone about it. Those are only two of the possible scenarios I think.

Just my two cents.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by Drakaun
I can understand why some people might be bothered by the Kryptonite inconsistencies, but I am not bothered by it so much. The way I look at it, considering Clark was able to get through the tunnel system before the explosion, leads me to believe that the walls have lead in them. Considering there was Kryptonite burried and half burried by other rocks and such I just assumed that there might be trace amounts of lead, which semi shielded Clark from Kryptonite so that it didn't make him keel over so much as weaken him to make him seem more human. That is how I view it and it makes sense to me, in a way.

As for Lionel's reasoning for forcing Lana to marry Lex, I can understand that, it can be a couple different scenarios. Say he really does want to protect Clark, that is simple. Just think like Lex for a moment. Had Lana walked out on him during that wedding and ran off with Clark, who was Lex going to be mad at and blame, Clark. And in losing Lana he probably would go off the deep end and focus all of his efforts in bringing Clark and his secrets down making Clark's life a living hell, or even killing him eventually.

Just my two cents.
hmm. you bring up interesting points.

the lead thing makes sense. though, not every one would think of that, and it should have been implied at some point during the show.

and your theory for lionel protectig clark in that way makes total sense! i never thought about it that way.

[Ania]

Hey... where's "Clana" option? :|

[Krypton935]

If there was a "it was too short" that would have been my vote. but I voted for like 3 other ones.

[Videogamer49107]

I put down the inconsistencies in Kryptonite...but also I was irritated that the entire show was pretty much about what happened in the time of 14 minutes? I've already been longwinded about it twice, so I won't go into it again. But if everything was pretty much based around 14 minutes, how in the heck did any of them actually get anywhere? I understand Lex and Clark...a little bit...but Chloe and Lana moving all over Smallville and then coming back just in time? Crazyiness.

[kalelnica]

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
the kryptonite inconsistency bugs me too. I mean, just int he previous episode, chloe put one piece of GK in clarks pocket, and he can barely move, and eventually passes out from the pain. but this episode he is completely surrounded by it, yet he can still walk and crawl and climb?! What is that?!?!?

I think it didnt effect him as much because the kryptonite did not physically touch like when he got it in his pocket.

[SeaNymph]

Okay...this may be weird...but each time I watch this episode, I hate the part where Clark is like "Lex, don't leave me!" I mean, I understand he was dying...but I guess I just didn't like the tone. I don't know. I'm weird.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I voted for lack of Shelby and lack of Clex smoochies (or c'mon, at least a hug?).

But overall I really liked this episode so those are fairly small complaints.

[j-kent]

The Kryptonite effects upon Clark are NOT inconsistent.

Clark can withstand the effects of Kryptonite if he can ATTEMPT to psychologically block out the pain or sift through it:

Most of the time, we undubitably see Clark suddenly weaken by a mere caught-off-guard exposure to Kryptonite, and it renders him into immobile agony. The effects are sudden and he is not ready to tolerate the pain. Also most of the Kryptonite is close to his body whereas the Kryptonite was scattered several yards from him in this episode most of the time (which explains his loss of powers at all times). Mainly, if CK can be psychologically ready for the effects of K, he can manage (e.g. climbing through the hole), but it doesn't mean he can do it everytime. Prolonged exposure even through resistance can render him unconscious.

This example can be most notably seen in "Superman Returns" as Superman lifts a whole Kryptonite island into space, even when surrounded by Kryptonite. The key is that he is emotionally charged and pissed off. Therefore, he was able to withstand the effects of Kryptonite and perform this amazing feat before going unconscious and falling towards earth.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by j-kent
The Kryptonite effects upon Clark are NOT inconsistent.

Clark can withstand the effects of Kryptonite if he can ATTEMPT to psychologically block out the pain or sift through it:

Most of the time, we undubitably see Clark suddenly weaken by a mere caught-off-guard exposure to Kryptonite, and it renders him into immobile agony. The effects are sudden and he is not ready to tolerate the pain. Also most of the Kryptonite is close to his body whereas the Kryptonite was scattered several yards from him in this episode most of the time (which explains his loss of powers at all times). Mainly, if CK can be psychologically ready for the effects of K, he can manage (e.g. climbing through the hole), but it doesn't mean he can do it everytime. Prolonged exposure even through resistance can render him unconscious.

This example can be most notably seen in "Superman Returns" as Superman lifts a whole Kryptonite island into space, even when surrounded by Kryptonite. The key is that he is emotionally charged and pissed off. Therefore, he was able to withstand the effects of Kryptonite and perform this amazing feat before going unconscious and falling towards earth.

That's great and all, but you're wrong. There are times we've seen Clark hold Kryptonite in his hands and others were the same peice of Kryptonite renders him unconsious. It's really hit and miss and entirely dependent upon the requirements of the story.

Also, Superman Returns has little to do with Smallville directly.

[wilder]

Originally posted by Ania
Hey... where's "Clana" option? :|

Yeah, where it is? I vote on "I have my own ideas below" because of that.

And i shouyld say "where was lois" but she dont fit in this episode. She would be just another person who was worried about Clark and asking "why the hell he go there?"

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

No Lois, and also Lana, she was acting like a (bleep). What was with her? I don't know about the Kryptonite, he was trying his best to get out. Just like in SR, he was still able to pick up that Kryptonian moutain from the water while Kryptonite was growing out of it, it just took a effort to do it. That's what is good about Superman, he still keeps trying.

[xrayvision]

The mentioning of Lana planning to leave him at the altar by Clark and that hand-grab once they got out should have been left out. Is this the story about Superman or Swingerman?

[j-kent]

Originally posted by Nospam
That's great and all, but you're wrong. There are times we've seen Clark hold Kryptonite in his hands and others were the same peice of Kryptonite renders him unconsious. It's really hit and miss and entirely dependent upon the requirements of the story.

Also, Superman Returns has little to do with Smallville directly.

How am I wrong? I can bet I've seen more incarnations of Superman, and read way more comics than you've ever heard about.

Look, it's better to base these kind of logical reasonings from many versions and incarnations, then to base it off of one show that doesn't even follow true comic continuity like you've reasoned. But even though I say all this, it doesn't mean what you've said above is wrong either...it's all based on observations...so everyone is valid in a sense

I offer speculation from comparison, so please don't offend me with your presumptuous causticity

[Nospam]

Originally posted by j-kent
How am I wrong? I can bet I've seen more incarnations of Superman, and read way more comics than you've ever heard about.

Fantastic, but that has nothing to do with this episode and Smallville. Smallville is its own universe and the writers have taken plenty of liberties with the effect Kryptonite has on Clark to suit the story at hand. One second Clark can hold the piece of meteor rock from his lead box, the next he is knocked unconcious from it. It's very inconsistent in Smallville.


Look, it's better to base these kind of logical reasonings from many versions and incarnations, then to base it off of one show that doesn't even follow true comic continuity like you've reasoned. But even though I say all this, it doesn't mean what you've said above is wrong either...it's all based on observations...so everyone is valid in a sense.

You assume that TPTB and the writers have studied the comics and take their cues from them. They don't. Steven DeKnight was the only writer that even knew what "Watchtower" referred to, and now he is gone. I am not doubting your comic book knowledge, but Smallville has interpreted many characters and situations very differently from the comics, so looking to them for guidance is somewhat meaningless when Al and Miles have and will take things in their own direction.


I offer speculation from comparison, so please don't offend me with your presumptuous causticity

I don't presume anything other than the fact that the writers don't deal with the minutia of the comics and instead are focused on writing episodes for Smallville. They just don't care if Clark is shown in the comics as "pyschologically ready" for a dose of meteor rock radiation unless it suits their story. That's my point.

[SonofZod]

Lana doing the old good to evil flip flop again

[j-kent]

Originally posted by Nospam


Fantastic, but that has nothing to do with this episode and Smallville. Smallville is its own universe and the writers have taken plenty of liberties with the effect Kryptonite has on Clark to suit the story at hand. One second Clark can hold the piece of meteor rock from his lead box, the next he is knocked unconcious from it. It's very inconsistent in Smallville.

[/b]

You assume that TPTB and the writers have studied the comics and take their cues from them. They don't. Steven DeKnight was the only writer that even knew what "Watchtower" referred to, and now he is gone. I am not doubting your comic book knowledge, but Smallville has interpreted many characters and situations very differently from the comics, so looking to them for guidance is somewhat meaningless when Al and Miles have and will take things in their own direction.



I don't presume anything other than the fact that the writers don't deal with the minutia of the comics and instead are focused on writing episodes for Smallville. They just don't care if Clark is shown in the comics as "pyschologically ready" for a dose of meteor rock radiation unless it suits their story. That's my point. [/B]

like i said your reasoning is as right or wrong as mine...your not sitting there in the room writing or conjuring what's going on in these episodes so that's enough idk where you're trying to go with blatantly reasoning ppl out of their own speculation or opinions...good luck with all that

[Derrickray]

My biggest gripe is that Lex knows about Clark's secret (well at least a small part of it).

It was so casual in the way Lex mentioned he saw the chisel after he stabbed Clark. After all these years of searching this is how he responds?

Clark didn't even deny it so Lex's theory is confirmed. First off, it would have been better for Lex to never find out. And secondly, if he was to find out it could have been much more dramatic when he confronts Clark about it.

[Jlvsclrk]

But realistically, how could Lex have NOT known. Pick up a screwdriver or chisel or whatever. With all your strength strike into say a stuffed animal and then strike into a wall or a countertop. Even just thinking about it, you know you'd feel a tremendous difference between the two impacts. So I was always pretty sure Lex knew something wierd happened in Crimson, but as always when he gets close to the truth, a countering piece of evidence makes him doubt himself.

Lets face it: he's known for years that Clark has above average strength and suspects the invulnerability because of the car crash. But he hasn't seen the whole bag of tricks by any means, and the kryptonite evidence is somewhat inconclusive from Lex's POV. (1) In any number of situations, I don't think Lex has seen (or more accurately can't remember seeing) Clark actually collapse due to kryptonite exposure, and Clark has done an adequate job covering for the pain he's felt on such occassions. (2) Clark has lost his powers in situations that had nothing to do with green K exposure and that will muddle up Lex's thinking.

I suspect when the day comes, Lex will convince himself that Clark and Superman have known each other since childhood and that when faced with a choice, Clark gave his loyalty to Superman, who wanted to remain anonymous. And thus Lex will hate Superman for coming between him and Clark.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by chlana_sandwich
Lana firing the gun in the house was pretty dumb. Those slugs had to go somewhere and were probably embedded in the floor. That assumes they didn't richochet off the briefcase and hit her. Also, she likely would have shattered the glass desktop, firing in such close proximity. Of course, there would be burn marks and gunshot residue. Then, she made up the story about the cops shooting open the briefcase. It just didn't seem realistic.

I have to agree on this completely. When looking at the briefcase sitting on the table and no marks anywhere, I was like, what the hell!


Originally posted by Jlvsclrk
But realistically, how could Lex have NOT known. Pick up a screwdriver or chisel or whatever. With all your strength strike into say a stuffed animal and then strike into a wall or a countertop. Even just thinking about it, you know you'd feel a tremendous difference between the two impacts. So I was always pretty sure Lex knew something wierd happened in Crimson, but as always when he gets close to the truth, a countering piece of evidence makes him doubt himself.

The problem was that in Crimson, they all knew Clark wasn't himself. And I still feel that Lex probably thinks he's just meteor infected. He has no proof of anything else. But clearly, Lex is either afraid to go after Clark or he won't because they were friends or because of Lana.

And just because Clark didn't respond to Lex's comment about not being normal or not human, whichever it was, doesn't mean anything. We've all seen just how many times people are waiting for a response and just don't get it.