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dru-zod2501

04-26-2007, 09:27 PM

I liked this episode, but seriously I was expecting much more of the evil vile ******* Lex; when your trapped so deep your real nature comes out. For some reason i was disappointed when Lex saved Clark, that's not my lex, my lex wouldn't do that. It didn't really hurt it that bad though.

but that nauseating pseudo-saccharine "maybe I pushed him this far?? what if we could fix things? I almost saw my friend again" crap ending brought my rating down several points.

xrayvision

04-26-2007, 09:33 PM

The part of the ending that sucked was Lana almost making out with Clark. Very uncalled for. The rest was OK (Lana knowing what Lex did and pretending not to just to have Lex's denial be further proof of what he's about).

dru-zod2501

04-26-2007, 09:40 PM

I can make excuses for that, she was very worried for clark, reminded he's not invincible, if I was in her place, I wanna make out with Welling too

Jack-El49

04-26-2007, 09:44 PM

It didn't ruin it. It gave Martha the opportunity to explain her relationship with Lionel and it showed that Clark can be introspective and even to second-guess his actions. There's nothing wrong with that in my book.

BadClark4Ever

04-26-2007, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Jack-El49
It gave Martha the opportunity to explain her relationship with Lionel and it showed that Clark can be introspective and even to second-guess his actions. There's nothing wrong with that in my book.

I was wondering what was going through Martha's head with Lionel's friendship so prominent in her personal and professional life! I am so glad that they had Martha on screen to explain her actions.

First of all, Lionel stepped RIGHT in after Jonathan's death, and we all know that the late great Platitude-Giver HATED Lionel and wouldn't trust him as far as he could throw a broken tractor.

I was getting really annoyed with Martha for letting Lionel get so close. So the last scene was very satisfying.

Plus, it's nice to see Clark in a moral dilemna instead of just pining over Lex's wife.

Lavenderrose73

04-26-2007, 10:10 PM

Did the ending ruin the ep for you???

No, but it ruined my hope that maybe Lex was still going to have some decency in him.

SMG Pro

04-26-2007, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by dru-zod2501
I can make excuses for that, she was very worried for clark, reminded he's not invincible, if I was in her place, I wanna make out with Welling too

that's kinda beside the point. and retarded for that matter. i mean take a look at chloe. given the voicemail mono and the fact that she had been worried about him ALL day then finding out kryptonite was everywhere in the tunnels. I mean just imagine how worried she was compared to lana's sudden short involvement.

and after the explosion there was no interaction between chloe and clark at all. they didn't bother to show him looking for her. just dumb. i mean really wut im trying to say here is that the focus in this scene was clana, nothing else. it was an epi ruiner.

BadToad

04-26-2007, 10:28 PM

Not at all, IMO

For me, one of the qualities I want to see in Clark is his desire, and need, to help people. To save them. And when he can't, I want to see him question it. Not necessarily blame himself, but rather consider what he might've done differently.

Though I don't believe that Clark is responsible for who Lex has become, the truth is that Clark did think of him as a good friend at one time. And for him to wonder if he could've saved him just made me love Clark all the more.

Poyntz

04-26-2007, 11:04 PM

IT seemed to me that he was about to give lex another chance.. or was thinking of. Kind of asking his mom for approval saying but some people change like lional. I"m happy she said but she doesnt trust lional. ( i might have to watch this again to know for sure how i feel about it all) But i guess what bugs me .. is its like he pretty much forgets what happened last week and that Lex Threated his best friend. This show flip flops so much its unbelievable sometimes but i still love it

Who

04-26-2007, 11:29 PM

I enjoyed the ending actually. Lex is truly a monster.... Ahahahahaha....

coco#1

04-26-2007, 11:58 PM

Lex saved Clark for selfesh reasons.he didnt want to prove Clark right. Lex is totally evil at this point.

Lavenderrose73

04-27-2007, 01:29 AM

This show flip flops so much its unbelievable sometimes but i still love it

Yes, definitely. It bugs the snot out of me at times, but I can't turn my back on it. Believe me, I know. I dissed Smallville shortly after the sexual situations in "Obsessed" thinking the whole series was going downhill, but then when I got reeled back in toward the ending of Season 5, I celebrated my end-of-finals (at the time) with a Smallville extravaganza and got completely caught up... tsk tsk tsk

Liriel

04-27-2007, 05:18 AM

but that nauseating pseudo-saccharine "maybe I pushed him this far?? what if we could fix things? I almost saw my friend again" crap ending brought my rating down several points.
I hated that bit. Especially after all Clark knows Lex has done. It's like Clex fans being catered to and we were getting a Lex from several seasons ago and Clark beating himself up because Lex chose to do all the bad stuff and Clark totally ignoring stuff Lex did last week to his best friend's mother, and all the other tortures and killings he knows Lex is behind.

thmallville

04-27-2007, 05:29 AM

Kal-alien

04-27-2007, 07:13 AM

nope,They had to end it somehow, I don't have problems with how they did.

thorshammer

04-27-2007, 08:04 AM

I'm not sure. There where several things here I didn't care for and thought the dialogue writting was sloppy yet again, so I'm not sure the ending was able to ruin it since I didn't love the rest. Overal, I thought it was OK and not much better. Too many weak spots.

meteor_phreak

04-27-2007, 08:14 AM

i was screaming at the tv when they showed the clana scene after they got out. everything i thought was very interesting...I like that lex wasn't a total jerk to clark and vice versa. i would like to see them try harder again, especially if there is a seventh season...like the way they did back in season 4. it would make it believable to me, and they do have a good reason now for trying. they worked fairly hard for each other, and had good time to talk...

redeem147

04-27-2007, 08:20 AM

I think Clark is in some measure responsible for the way Lex is. Lex needed a friend. Clark's lied to him from the beginning. Now, it was a necessary lie, but it was just one more way that life betrayed Lex.

Lionel's such a sick puppy. Even if he has decided to be Clark's defender in his old age, that doesn't make up for years of emotionally abusing his own son.

So I loved that Clark examined himself. It gives more depth to his character, and shows again what a good man he's becoming.

Ilovebeinglost

04-27-2007, 08:28 AM

I thought the very end was when Lex was talking to that army soldier Keenan and sounds like he will be the "prototype"

He lied to Keenan's wife, he's still doing experiments so he's still evil. Saving Clark showed he still has a tiny bit of good in him but don't worry that will change soon.

Clark blaming himself is just Clark being Clark and yes I'm glad Martha spoke up. No way she would fall for a guy like Lionel after being with Jonathan all those years and what they together stood for.

thorshammer

04-27-2007, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by redeem147
I think Clark is in some measure responsible for the way Lex is. Lex needed a friend. Clark's lied to him from the beginning. Now, it was a necessary lie, but it was just one more way that life betrayed Lex.

Lionel's such a sick puppy. Even if he has decided to be Clark's defender in his old age, that doesn't make up for years of emotionally abusing his own son.

So I loved that Clark examined himself. It gives more depth to his character, and shows again what a good man he's becoming.

Clark's lied to him for good reason. It's pretty retarded just how much of an emphasis has been placed on 'thruth' in Smallville. Some secrets are best not shared and Lex would absolutely have used them against Clark and for his own gain. He likely would have even exploited Clark along the way. I think Lana finally figured out why Clark never told her. And look at how much whinning she did about that before. Sorry folks, but sometimes the truth won't set you free.

msleggie

04-27-2007, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by xrayvision
The part of the ending that sucked was Lana almost making out with Clark. Very uncalled for. The rest was OK (Lana knowing what Lex did and pretending not to just to have Lex's denial be further proof of what he's about).

I know, there was only two things that made me mad about this episode and that was one of them. A married women should not be all over some other guy. The other part I didn't like was Chloe having to wait while Lana was getting cosy with Clark, I didn't like those parts, but it didn't ruin the episode for me.

Fillesmall

04-27-2007, 09:27 AM

na, not really, I just hope Clark dosn't start trusting Lex again, that would be annoying :P

ClLaLeChFAN01

04-27-2007, 09:45 AM

i didnt get to see the ending cause a flood warning poped up! Im so mad! I threw a pillow at the tv!

dru-zod2501

04-27-2007, 09:58 AM

^lesson: don't watch smallville near a flood

meteor_phreak

04-27-2007, 10:19 AM

^ No, the lesson is obviously 'only watch smallville in places where they don't care if floods come.'

KryptonChick

04-27-2007, 11:37 AM

Nope, the endind didnt suck for me, i loved it! :D

Kii

04-27-2007, 11:40 AM

The Clark retrospective felt like a step back. Come on, Lex tortured Bart in 'Justice', nearly killing him. Lex has lots of evil stuff, but just because Lex helps Clark out he thinks he's an "OK guy"?

Iluvgreen

04-27-2007, 11:42 AM

Yep, like totally.

Ultron

04-27-2007, 11:44 AM

I think this episode showed three things, particularly at the end.

1) Lex has felt trapped into becoming a bad person, not having any real friends, to having to protect his chance to marry Lana by practically killing someone (arguably not his fault) on his wedding day and faking a pregnancy (definitely his fault).

2) Lana is a deeper character than we thought, going from playing a caring stepdaughter to near-murderess, to a caring wife one moment at the end to a plotting woman trying to escape from a marriage she desperately wants to get out of.

3) Clark feeling regret for not helping the one person in this world who arguably needs his help the most, and the regret for not fostering a friendship so rare for Lex.

LexLuv101

04-27-2007, 12:02 PM

I like that Lex saved Clark in the end. Even though they hate each other, I like they have their weird twisted bizarre bond, just like everyone in Smallville has.

SaberFireTiger

04-27-2007, 02:30 PM

The prolonged Clana part did. I mean could it have moved any slower?

Bumperjeep

04-27-2007, 05:36 PM

The scenes for Noir looked like a joke. Why would they COMPLETELY change the tone of the show after they built up this much momentum.

last man of krypton

04-28-2007, 03:32 AM

I was disappointed by Lex saving Clark. I cheered - cheered - when Lex ran off because I figured that would truly end this whole "Lex isn't my friend, oh wait he is" thing that comes by every 4-5 episodes. And now, they've taken their steps back again.

Cleck

04-28-2007, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Jack-El49
It didn't ruin it. It gave Martha the opportunity to explain her relationship with Lionel and it showed that Clark can be introspective and even to second-guess his actions. There's nothing wrong with that in my book.

Agreed.

Ania

04-28-2007, 07:52 AM

Nope, it was very superman. Unlike hugfest with Lana.

Krypton935

04-28-2007, 08:56 AM

Nope. I thougt the ending was great. I didn't like when Clark said I saw my friend alot but it was still awesome.

Heilige

04-28-2007, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Krypton935
Nope. I thougt the ending was great. I didn't like when Clark said I saw my friend alot but it was still awesome.

Yeah. After everything Lex has done to Clark why would Clark even consider being Lex's friend.

Videogamer49107

04-28-2007, 09:01 AM

I actually loved it when he said that he saw something in Lex's eyes that he hadn't seen in years, his friend. This show has a few more seasons in it, so I don't mind if Lex turns to the darkside completely yet or not. He probably will, but it's nice to remember the simple days of Smallville-to me at least-when Clark and Lex were friends and Lex was trying to hook Clark up with Lana and then Lex would be haunted by demons from his past.

Billy Jor-El

04-28-2007, 02:07 PM

I'm jumping in late on the threads...sorry, if some of my thoughts have been bantered around...

What I disliked is that last week Chloe declares she is in Lex's crosshairs, and Clark, not missing a beat, says then he is in his...and "The war has begun." Now, Clark is wondering if his "friend" is distanced because of his actions, that he should give Lex another chance. MAKE ME PUKE!!!! The guy is threatening Chloe for cryin' out loud.

And of course....yep, Lex has continued to lie all along. The dear departed soldier is nothing of the kind, but another experiment in the depths of 33.1. This, I am not surprised or disappointed about. Lex is evil with a slight good streak is all.

And I'll wander to another thread, but KK was awesome is this. Yes, she has fully embraced what it means to be a Luthor. :)

Odysseus

04-28-2007, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Ultron
I think this episode showed three things, particularly at the end.

1) Lex has felt trapped into becoming a bad person, not having any real friends, to having to protect his chance to marry Lana by practically killing someone (arguably not his fault) on his wedding day and faking a pregnancy (definitely his fault).

2) Lana is a deeper character than we thought, going from playing a caring stepdaughter to near-murderess, to a caring wife one moment at the end to a plotting woman trying to escape from a marriage she desperately wants to get out of.

3) Clark feeling regret for not helping the one person in this world who arguably needs his help the most, and the regret for not fostering a friendship so rare for Lex.

I completely agree with all three of these.

alienkinfolk

04-28-2007, 08:20 PM

Heilige

04-28-2007, 08:23 PM

How does Lex feel trapped into being a bad person? Did Lexmas not teach him anything? Prodigal; he was living with the Kents and could have continued that lifestyle away from the money, etc, etc.

Lavenderrose73

04-28-2007, 11:27 PM

It's like Clex fans being catered to and we were getting a Lex from several seasons ago...

Is that what I am, a Clex fan? :lol: It brought my rating up several points.

P.S. For that matter, I'm quite the Clana fan as well. ;)

CLanaF23

04-29-2007, 12:34 AM

not really i LOVED da clark and lana moment......

wilder

04-29-2007, 04:38 AM

Clark always will have hope. He might think he give up, but he still trying to convert Lex. Ineffective - Lex dont react on Clark's sermons.

MozartRequiem

04-29-2007, 12:47 PM

"I was disappointed by Lex saving Clark. I cheered - cheered - when Lex ran off because I figured that would truly end this whole "Lex isn't my friend, oh wait he is" thing that comes by every 4-5 episodes. And now, they've taken their steps back again."

I don't think it's taking steps back. On the contrary; it's good character progression, IMO. Just because Clark has regrets about the man Lex has become doesn't mean he's thinking, "I want to be friends with Lex again and start over." Martha told him specifically, "It may be difficult to accept, but sometimes you just can't go back," or something along those lines. So, it's not like Clark is going to give Lex another chance as a friend, or try to be buddy-buddy with him. Instead, he's just learning to deal with the possibility that he could have perhaps been a better friend to Lex. It's like Batman and Two-Face, in a way. Batman deep down never wants to give up on Two-Face, because he sees the glints of the old Harvey Dent, and he misses the friendship. It doesn't mean he'll be buddy-buddy with Harvey again, but at least he still realizes there's some humanity to him and he's not just a bad guy. It's the same type of thing with Lex. Clark sees the humanity in him, and is sad because he knows that Lex could've maybe turned out to be a friend had Clark told him his secret. But now it's too late. And if Clark doesn't grasp that already, he will soon enough when he finds out whatever Lex has been up to that he's been so secret about. THAT will perhaps be the point of no return, if that point hasn't all ready been made.

Charlie Moua

04-29-2007, 04:21 PM

Yes and no.

I hate to see Clark so "hopefull" & it is as martha stated one of his biggest weakness. Young Clark is not as logical as we would like him to be... still very black & white.

And yes I did like the fact that Martha got to shin in on her relationship with Loniol.

Lavenderrose73

04-29-2007, 10:31 PM

What disappoints the heck out of me is there was no exchange between Lionel and Martha. When the spoilers said that Martha would be reevaluating her feelings about Lionel, I thought we would see them talking. What a drag. I really wanted to know what they had to say.

ddacosta81

04-30-2007, 08:58 AM

I agree with you, Lavenderrose73.

Where was the Martha/Lionel scene we were anxious to see.
Given that Lionel threatened to kill Clark if Lana didn't Marry Lex, it would have been interesting to watch how he interacts with Martha.

Instead all we got was Lionel's reveal to Lana that he's helping Clark, and Martha's comment to Clark that she still has reservations about Lionel.

As far as Lex coming back through the tunnel to help Clark, I think he did it in the interset of self preservation. He probably scouted out the obstacles ahead of him and realized he needed Clark's help to escape. His actions would also allow him to take credit for saving Clark's life - a point he'll bring up the next time the two have a confrontation.

There are a lot of unresolved issues that are being left for the final episodes...

silverfist

04-30-2007, 03:02 PM

Lex coming back to save Clark didn't ruin anything for me really. I will admit that at first, I was kind of dissapointed at it. But then I saw the possibilities...

I for one didn't like the fact that Lana played such a big role in the seperation of Clark and Lex...I would have wanted something more dramatic. In this episode we see that dispite them both being very upset, Lex still cares enough about Clark to save his life. So the whole Lana thing have not made them full enemies..well at least not yet.

So what I'm hoping for now is to see something even bigger coming up in the near future. Something that will truly make Lex hate Clark so much that he would like to see him dead. Is this supposed to happen in Smallville though? Isn't Lex supposed to only want Superman dead and not Clark Kent? Well, maybe. But Smallville isn't exactly known for following the comics that well so I guess anything could happen.

Now I'll tell you what DID make me raise an eyebrow at that scene though. Why the heck did Lex waste their precious time leaving him there to begin with, if only to return again later? Perhaps he found an obstacle in the way and decided that he would need Clark's help to progress further. Or perhaps he just wanted to see Clark's reaction, if he really had so little trust left in Lex. But I mean, still. Wtf...a bomb was ticking and they had no time for such games. I would very much have liked some kind of quick scene to show what Lex was thinking at that moment before returning to Clark.

Cyclops1974

04-30-2007, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by silverfist
...Now I'll tell you what DID make me raise an eyebrow at that scene though. Why the heck did Lex waste their precious time leaving him there to begin with, if only to return again later?...

The answer to that is probably easier than you think. He was looking for something big and strong enough to function as a lever to get that big pile of steel and concrete off of Clarks chest. Lex only saved Clark to prove to Clark... Wait, no, rather to make Clark believe that he isn't as bad as Clark thinks he is. Remember Clark has been in Lex' way a lot the last couple of episodes. Maybe Lex thought that this could be easier than just letting him die. And besides that, letting Clark die would be a bit of a dissapointment for Lex. He's just to curious. He thinks there's something special with CK and he just wants to find out.

The rest of the endings this episode were okay with me. Loved the Lana "acting for an Oscar" bit. The Lionel still protecting Clark thing has got me confused though. I don't what to believe there anymore. Especially with Martha making hte comment about the fact that someone can't change completely.

By the way. Is anybody else just waiting for the moment that Chloe and Lana are being honest to each other and telling all they know about Clark. Not the I know you know that I know but I don't know how much you know stuff we're getting now.

michiki

04-30-2007, 08:07 PM

I don't think the final was that bad... actually when Lana and Clark were together i had that deja vu thing... i really am confused about the sentimental moments in Smallville right now, i don't know what to make of it anymore!

One thing I know, Lex is a bad guy, he's so evil, disimulated, obsessive, what else?

All about Clark

05-01-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by coco#1
Lex saved Clark for selfesh reasons.he didnt want to prove Clark right. Lex is totally evil at this point.

I agree with this. He saw that Clark risked his life for him and to turn around and leave Clark there would have been shameful. He knew he had to help him in order to live with himself. And by helping Clark, he could get Clark to think better of him. Not to mention, that if Clark died, he'd never get the questions answered that has haunted him.

Also, didn't anyone realize how harsh it was that Lex left without telling Clark he'd be right back, leaving Clark to think he'd left him behind.

Lavenderrose73

05-02-2007, 12:30 AM

Also, didn't anyone realize how harsh it was that Lex left without telling Clark he'd be right back, leaving Clark to think he'd left him behind...

Bullseye! I was just just trying to read those messages as fast as I could and then was going to say if Lex really cared about helping Clark, he should have had the decency to say something like "Hey Clark, I'm going to look for something to help me get those rocks off you...". But I'm a Clex fan, so I'm not in a rush for them to declare the lifetime of war. And yeah, the comics said Lex only hated Superman. I'd love to see Clark just tell Lex off one last time before Lex sees him only as Superman, just as Lex says "Clark, I never meant to betray you. Forgive me. Clark..." or something like that.

I for one didn't like the fact that Lana played such a big role in the seperation of Clark and Lex...

Yeah, sounds like a cheap version of Hellen of Troy.