Clarks Arm

[98chase]

They definitely made sure that everyone saw Lana looking at and touching the bloodied cloth wrapped around Clarks arm. I bet we see reference to that in the future. They wouldn't have made such a defined scene if it were not important.

[Jack-El49]

I believe they (writers) are trying to use continuity much more than in the past. Lex tells Clark he kidnaps his fiancee, Lex says tonight that he stabbed Clark and nothing happened, Chloe mentions letting Lex die for doing what he did to her Mom. Given all that, I think you're dead on the money with the reference to the arm.

[niki]

Yeah, definitely an important scene that will have some more definition in the future, methinks! And it has Lana seeing that Clark does have a weakness, although she doesn't know what that is yet!

Although, I must admit that half the time I was like, "Oooh, hot. My boyfriend's arm looks like that too ... well, minus the wound. But still ... oooh, hot."

*ahem* Yes.

[xrayvision]

I hope we have more of this. And I really hope that the Clark obsession room comes into play before the end of the season.

[warriorrenegade]

I wouldn't get my hopes up xray. I don't believe Lex has the room anymore. Its a big maybe, still would be cool as hell to see it brought up.

[Jack-El49]

Now that would be the mother of all continuity if that came into play. It would be refreshing that something that long ago was useful this many seasons later. Woo hoo! Let's hope so.

[Mr.]

yah all that continuity is awesome it makes me feel part of the family >.<

10 for continuity

[xrayvision]

Wasn't that room in Lex's nightmare from Promise? The dark room that he sat in and watched the movie with the baby looked exactly like it. Maybe it's his secrets & lies room (Clark and a whole lot more).

[warriorrenegade]

Ah man I can't remember...sorry that was a boring episode for me. Though I do remember the room ...it was dark and it could be just in a not so obvious way. Someone out there needs to go back and look at that room and get some screen caps posted. Then maybe we'd get a better look.

[hemmy]

I thought you were going to mention Tom's guns while trying to climb the ladder 1 handed.

I aint gay but props to TW.

[margroks]

Er...back to the arm. Actually, I commented to my husband that if Clark was so affected by the K to begin with that he got stabbed then he should have been moaning on the ground and unable to move not getting to his feet and walking away. But I liked the Clark and Lex and it gave Clark pause to think there might yet be some shred of decent guy inthere. Although that thoguht shouldn't have l;asted since we know Lex has been experiementing on helpless captives and that is the kind of thing Dr Mengele accolites do. ANy good in Lex is long gone. Sorry, Clark. It was still disgusting to see Clark and Lana close like that; enough with having Clark touching almost married and married women. It just isn't heroic and I'm sick of it.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by hemmy
I thought you were going to mention Tom's guns while trying to climb the ladder 1 handed.

I aint gay but props to TW.
you said it! good show, tom welling!

see, all you people who kept saying he was getting fat, he wasn't! He is just getting so built that in certain clothing (and facial hair choices :rolleyes: ) it makes him look heavy, instead the built he really is. he could have never gotten fat then lost it and gotten built again all in one summer. he was just constantly built.

[LaClinique]

Originally posted by margroks
It was still disgusting to see Clark and Lana close like that; enough with having Clark touching almost married and married women. It just isn't heroic and I'm sick of it.

I'm not so sure I understand the abhorrence of touching the girl you love. Lana obviously loves Clark, but is literally stuck in a marriage founded on several false premises.

Anyway, since when did Christian moralistic ideology get to make the distinction between what is and what is not heroic?

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by LaClinique
I'm not so sure I understand the abhorrence of touching the girl you love. Lana obviously loves Clark, but is literally stuck in a marriage founded on several false premises.

Anyway, since when did Christian moralistic ideology get to make the distinction between what is and what is not heroic?
could we please not bring religion into this, because that only leads to arguments.

like this. Morals are NOT only christian ideology. Everyone, religious or not, knows it's wrong to have an affair with a married person or you yourself is married. they know it's wrong to kill people. they know it's wrong to lie. they know it's wrong to do all sorts of things. things that are all immoral. the point being that the kind of hero that superman is, is a hero who makes all of his decisions based on moral values. moral values that he was raised on. No one ever said supes was a christian, or religious in any way. he bases all of his decisions on basic moral values. smallville's clark is still developing into the person he is destined to be (supes), so moral values don't always play a factor in his decisions, though, if it doesn't have to do with his love for lana, moral values usually play a big part in his decisions. like not allowing lex(or anyone) to die. he could easily have let lex die a number of times, which he mentioned in todays episode, but he knows it would be wrong to just let him die, even if he is evil. He knows it's not his decision to make if lex should live or die, and if he can prevent his (or any person criminal or not) death, then he will. Clark has never purposely let someone die, and he never will. when it comes to lana, he doesn't do so well with the morals, like not trying to steal the love of a married woman.

[margroks]

It has to so with the generally accepted morality of not pawing or allowing yourself to be pawed by a married woman. Clark and Lana have no idea of what real love is to begin with or Lana wouldn't mistreat and berate Clark constantly and Clark wouldn't be thinking he has to abandon everything he is jsut to be with Lana. Real love lets you fly free and this relationship, by the producers' own account. holds Clark back.

But bottom line is that lana made the bed she's sleeping in, claimed for a long time she wanted Lex and not Clark so too bad. She got herself into this despite Clark and Chloe warning her. She's a married woman and that kind of behavior isn't appropriate. In Relic, written I've found out by the same lame brain writers who wrote the awful Promise, her aunt had affairs with TWO men at once when she was married and that was certainly a disgusting tale but Lana said it was "Wrong but romantic." and apparently she is still of that opinion.

Marriage isn't sacred to the women in Lana's family, apparently since we also know her mom had an affair with Henry Small who was Lana's actual father. It is always wrong to be involved with another person when you are married. That's not love, it's cheating. ANd the hero should never be involved with a girl who has such a complete lack of morals she has no compunctions about it. But Clark should no better; he was raised differently and after the ALicia debacle, he ought to have more sense. It has nothing to do with any specific religion. It's a societal rule that marriage vows are binding and the writers make the hero look bad and is intolerable.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Wow, from Clark's bulging biceps to Lana's and Clarks' morals, all in one page.

Some sort of record?

[Kal-alien]

Not only does this make it so Lana knows Clark Does, in fact have a weakness, She knows that SOmething in that Cave IS his weakness. THat could lead to the Metero rock= his weakness=the same weakness as the other two kryptonians=Clark is a kryptonian. Just a guess.

Sorry i know no speculation but come on, the first post in the thread was asking for it. :)

[msleggie]

Originally posted by margroks
It was still disgusting to see Clark and Lana close like that; enough with having Clark touching almost married and married women. It just isn't heroic and I'm sick of it.

I know exactly what you mean. It's not right for him to be all over her like that, even if she's not in a happy marriage, it's still not right. It's time for Clark to move on, and let Lana handle her own business.

[closetclana]

Back to his arm.....


I took that scene totally differently so now I'll have to go back and re-watch it.

I saw Lana look down at the bloody bandage but the flesh itself was unbroken or scratched. When Clark was away from the Kryptonite he healed (like he has so many times in the past). I thought Lana was noticing that he had healed himself. Another testament to her new knowledge about Clark’s abilities.

Anyone else think that????

[98chase]

I personally did not think that, simply because said bandage would be covering the wound. Lana can't see through the bandage.

[LaClinique]

Christian ideologies heavily influence various normative social structures. This is evident in our Pledge of Allegiance, our coins, our law... I'm just saying, the writers have given the story a new turn. No longer is Lex the antagonist contesting the relationship between Clark and Lana. Instead, the marriage has become to antagonist and thus, Lionel's ambiguous messages too. As the protagonists within this context, Clark and Lana are ultimately obligated to overcome this boundary, even if it is socially abhorrent.

By the way, I was not indicting Christianity. I was indicting the overwhelming power the Christian religion holds on us, whether we are Christian or not.

[Ultron]

The "overwhelming power the Christian religion holds on us" really has no place in this thread. However, Tom Welling's Big Guns do. Good lord that guy is built!

And yeah, I can see how Lana would grab that arm, since for all she knew Clark is invulnerable, from when she saw he has super powers. And now there is dried blood on it (really on the underside of it more than the front, which is why it's not visible in the front camera shot, but you see it on the side).

[dave73085]

Originally posted by closetclana
Back to his arm.....


I took that scene totally differently so now I'll have to go back and re-watch it.

I saw Lana look down at the bloody bandage but the flesh itself was unbroken or scratched. When Clark was away from the Kryptonite he healed (like he has so many times in the past). I thought Lana was noticing that he had healed himself. Another testament to her new knowledge about Clark’s abilities.

Anyone else think that????

That's what I thought, too.

[SupeK]

That was such a cheesball moment (touching his wounded arm, her hand across his chest as she walks away) I didn't think farther than "ugh". But yeah, I see how that will come back to haunt me. She knows he's super strong after seeing him open the vault she locked Chloe in (nice gal) and he's super fast. She thought he was impenetrable after the chisel incident. But now, she either doubts the chisel or figures out that something can alter Clark to make him penetrable (for lack of a better word).

[LaClinique]

Originally posted by Ultron
The "overwhelming power the Christian religion holds on us" really has no place in this thread. However, Tom Welling's Big Guns do. Good lord that guy is built!


Incidentally, there has been discussion within this thread concerning whether or not it was ethical for Lana to touch Clark's "big guns." Thus, my post is as topically relevant as your appreciation of Clark's physique.

[Fly by guy]

The hand and arm scene shouldn't have happened. I would think that Chloe would have been running to check on Clark just as Lana did. It should have been a three way.;)

[msleggie]

The point is, Lana now knows that Clark can be hurt. So now she's probably even more bent on protecting Clark.

[Bumperjeep]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
Now that would be the mother of all continuity if that came into play. It would be refreshing that something that long ago was useful this many seasons later. Woo hoo! Let's hope so.

That would make my day!

[Atomic girl]

Originally posted by msleggie
Originally posted by margroks
It was still disgusting to see Clark and Lana close like that; enough with having Clark touching almost married and married women. It just isn't heroic and I'm sick of it.

I know exactly what you mean. It's not right for him to be all over her like that, even if she's not in a happy marriage, it's still not right. It's time for Clark to move on, and let Lana handle her own business. I agree with you.

I think what we are trying to say is we are disappointed that a general taboo for our society as a whole ( making a play for a married woman) is happening to a guy that should be above that behavior. Whether he agrees or not, Lana is a married woman. Even if she asks him for help it needs to be platonic help with no romantic entanglements. It doesn't mean he can't be a friend or acquaintance. The fact that Lana is still encouraging the behavior doesn't let him off the hook for his behavior. He can make the decision to overcome this temptation. Entanglements with a married woman are unbecoming to the future Superman.

And I thought Lana was just seeing him hurt, not necessarily noticing it was healed. If I saw dried blood on a bandage, I would assume the person was still hurt and the bandage was preventing further bleeding. But this is Lana,not me...

[maryjanewatson]

when i saw the "touch the arm" moment, i figured it was lana seeing for sure that Clark does indeed have a weakness, and Lionel is not just making it up. he was obviously hurt down there, becasue he was bleeding, and now she knows for sure. I think this will lead her to do some of her own investigating via "luthor style" and find out what it is that hurts him.

[Wolfe]

I don't recall which episode it's in, nor which season, but at one point Lana needed a lock of hair from a virgin for some sort of spell and she thought she could get her sample from Clark. When she tried to do so, the scissors broke. Now that Lana's on the trail of discovering Clark's abilities, I wonder if she'll put two and two together. It would be a stetch, but it would tie into the whole continuity thing.

[Krypton935]

Yeah that will probably come back. They are definitly using continuity more.

[Videogamer49107]

Originally posted by 98chase
They definitely made sure that everyone saw Lana looking at and touching the bloodied cloth wrapped around Clarks arm. I bet we see reference to that in the future. They wouldn't have made such a defined scene if it were not important.

I don't think it's as definitive as you might think it is. I think it was just Lana's acknowledgment that Clark has a weakness. She can relate herself more to Clark now. Instead of being some crazy girl who's in love with a super hero now she knows that Clark is mortal and the only real thing between her and him is his inability to tell people about his powers-which isn't a bad thing, I don't blame him for not saying anything-and Lex. I think she's worked past one...she's setting her sights now on Lex. I'm sure we'll see more scenes like this, where she acknowledges Clark in some fashion or another is either mortal or an alien...but a reference to this scene...no, unless she's killed this season than maybe because that was probably one of my favorite scenes between Lana and Clark.