Lionel wants Lana to marry Lex in order to protect Clark????

[Superman of Krypton]

W T F!!???

[loisnlana]

Nobody ever said Lionel's thought process made sense.

[Thesis]

^^^ lol....

[wb-superman]

Lana is Clark's greatness weakness too. So Lionel have to force Lana to marry Clark so Clark can move on.

[liana]

I think that is something else in this. Maybe Lionel had some private informations about what Lex was doing (regarding 33.1 or the phantoms) and he didn't want Lex to be focused on Clark. If Lana had left Lex that day and had gone back to Clark's arms, Lex would have attacked him. Lionel is a dubious character, and he has stated more than once that sometimes doing evil things can be justified for the greater good. Forcing Lana to marry Lex in order to protect Clark is something that Lionel could most certainly do.

[Thesis]

You think Clark will leave Lana alone and wish her well with Lex now since Clark may have a slight change of heart for Lex?

[Lostfan588]

(protect Clark from Lana.....hehehhe)


I love Lionel.

[cmm]

It's very warped logic but I think I know what lionel is getting at. If lex wins he won't become more destructive to the people around him, in the sense that he'll direct his evil energies into his projects instead of towards people.

[xrayvision]

Another possibility is that whatever Lionel is up to is big and if something happens that he doesn't achieve his objective, his revenge would be killing Clark. Now some of you can ask, what has this got to do with Lana protecting Clark by marrying Lex when Lionel would be the one killing Clark---well, Lionel is a character where if he is responsible for hurting/killing someone, he will put the blame/responsibility on someone else. That's what he did in Shattered when Lana's leg was broken. He did the same in Transference when he said if Clark (in Lionel's body) didn't speak, that he would be directly responsible for Lex's death. So it's very possible that if Clark is in danger, it's because of the possibility of Lionel not getting what he wants.

[Silvershadow]

I love Lionel, too.

(I think Clark needs to be protected from Lana ..... Hahahaha)

[xrayvision]

I made a Lionel thread that documents many examples of this behavior:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69995

[jimmyolsenblues]

sounds like something Jor-El would think.

[niki]

Lionel wants Lana to marry Lex to protect Clark so that Lex will think he's triumphed because he's got "the girl" so perhaps he won't be so interested in Clark anymore which means Lex will be further away from finding out Clark's secret, and Lana will be able to keep him at bay and make sure he doesn't find out, either.

At least, that's what I think in a big run-on sentence haha.

[Honey45]

Maybe if Lana doesn't marry Lex (and ends up with Clark), Lex will know something's up.


Or maybe with Lana married to Lex, she's the only one who can make sure he's not spying on Clark?



Or maybe Lionel was lying.

[Fred the Man]

Lionel sees the true evilness that is Lana and wants to keep her as far away as possible form Clark. That and he knows if Lex loses Lana to Clark, he will completely go off the deep end and use all his resourses to get revenge on Clark.

[Jack-El49]

I think Lionel is full of BS. I think Lionel has a plan to manipulate everyone to his advantage. Although when Lana told him that she wonders what Martha would think about Lionel using her son as a pawn, it certainly seemed to loosen Lionel's lips.

[Mr.]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
I think Lionel is full of BS. I think Lionel has a plan to manipulate everyone to his advantage. Although when Lana told him that she wonders what Martha would think about Lionel using her son as a pawn, it certainly seemed to loosen Lionel's lips.

entirely agree
in fact i think lionel should be called the superman besides the fact he is truly a man (not alien). but he always comes out clean its amazing.

and lionel is not protecting clark thats why he sent clark to the kryptonite tunnels. oh and isnt kryptonite supposed to be a very weird substance? lol it just doesnt seem that way.
but yah lionel = bs :D

[Malicieux Toutou]

I doubt it well ever be explained in a plausible way how Lionel was protecting Clark by doing what he did. We are just supposed to accept it and move on. From what he said, it sounds like he knows Lex is planning something horrible, and he wants Lana to spy.

[Creed0831]

Less we forget what occurred in Reckoning. Lex figured out Lana knew Clark's secret just from her actions, went nuts and caused the accident that killed her. Just think if that was turned on Clark after being stood up at the alter.

[Wildfire]

Deep down I really think Lionel is doing to protect Clark though he probaly has an alterior motive or two in there. Honestly if she hadn't married him then Lex would be all over Clark more determined than ever to find out who and what Clark is.

In the end he knows, what Clarks destiny is and that this is the only way Lionel can truely go. I mean Lex will never in a million years love Lionel or even want him around, plus Lionel knows what Lex will become and is not crazy enough to let him become it without something there to stop him.

There is no doubt that Lionel is an evil SOB but he doesn't want to see the human race wipe out by the fruit of his loins either. . .Theres just no profit in that for him.

[xrayvision]

^^Yup. Lana leaving Lex in Promise would have had a very similar result as Lana being Clark's fiancee in Reckoning.

But Lionel doesn't give a crap about Lana. I don't even think he's doing it for Clark. He's probably doing it to make sure that his plan to get power isn't derailed.

[Lavenderrose73]

Originally posted by Mr.
...and lionel is not protecting clark thats why he sent clark to the kryptonite tunnels. oh and isnt kryptonite supposed to be a very weird substance? lol it just doesnt seem that way.
but yah lionel = bs :D
I thought Lionel sent Clark into the mine because he knows Clark was the only one who could save his only son. Are we sure that Lionel even knew that the place was infested with meteor rock, and even if he did, maybe he was simply hoping against hope that Clark would manage to dodge it. My impression was that Lionel was just begging Clark to save Lex.

And as for the "Marry Lex to protect Clark," I'm not excusing Lionel's actions, but nobody knows Lex better than his own lousy father, and maybe his reason was to keep the beast in Lex under control. Lex isn't worth Lana's time, let alone her love, but maybe her faithfullness would keep Clark safe. Due to a situation in my own life, while I don't justify it, I can understand it (although I never blackmailed for my situation to work out like it did, just prayed for God's intervention. Maybe if Lionel had tried doing the same...).

...and how in the world did we get so many threads under "Nemesis" when "Nemesis" didn't even exist just before the show?

[xrayvision]

As I said in post #9 of this thread, I think it's very possible Lionel did this to put the blame on Lana if he himself would have to kill Clark because his plan for power was derailed. That's the kind of person Lionel has shown himself time & time again to be. And Jonathan told Clark in Void that he was protecting him from Lionel.

[Lavenderrose73]

Ok, while that may very well be the case, it might also not be. I'm not looking to be right here, I'm just making my own gusses.

[msleggie]

posted by loisnlana:Nobody ever said Lionel's thought process made sense.

I know, Lionel has an agenda of his own and I can't wait until it's finally revealed.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Lavenderrose73
Ok, while that may very well be the case, it might also not be. I'm not looking to be right here, I'm just making my own gusses.

That's good. Keep posting them.

I made a post in the Theories/Speculation forum that Lionel may have been the one to revive the Fortress because:

1. We saw that it lit up in the end of Fallout but never saw who was inside when that happened

and

2. That last scene from Fallout could have been months later (since the episode was said to be 6 weeks after Dark Thursday). Remember how the very next episode, Rage, was set at Thanksgiving. So there could be a time lapse within Fallout.

[Lavenderrose73]

Oh man, I don't care who's speculations are right and who's aren't. The answers cannot come soon enough!

...and Lionel reviving the fortress? I'm looking for that thread right now!!!

[xrayvision]

^^I'm telling you, that would be the ultimate twist.

[Lavenderrose73]

Ok, where's that thread you were talking about with Lionel and the fortress? I can't find it.

[xrayvision]

Here is the link:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72021

[meteor_phreak]

i got the sense that whatever lex is planning is huge, and dangerous to clark, and therefore, lionel wanted to use lana as both a distraction and a stall tactic...

[Wildfire]

Here's hoping it goes back on line! I miss Jor-el and he making Lionel act like a mindless zombie. . .

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
i got the sense that whatever lex is planning is huge, and dangerous to clark, and therefore, lionel wanted to use lana as both a distraction and a stall tactic...

I doubt it. Mainly because whatever Lionel is up to started way before Lex began what he's up to (the prototype). It also started before Lionel knew anything of 33.1. Since Zod, we have no idea what he's up to.

[meteor_phreak]

maybe, but you're assuming that lionel is only up to ONE thing. maybe he's got a bunch of stuff, and to protect lex from going off the deep end before lionel is ready, lionel throws lana at lex. i don't know, i haven't thought about it as deeply as you seem to think about everything :)

[Lavenderrose73]

Originally posted by Wildfire
Here's hoping it goes back on line! I miss Jor-el and he making Lionel act like a mindless zombie. . .
...and making him act like a decent human being. I think if Jor-El had kept a hold on Lionel, he would have actually been worth Martha's affections, which would have been really cool to see a wedding that would never end in disaster... except maybe for Clark's neverending skepticism. :D

[ShadowPsykie]

Actually that was my theory a few weeks ago when he first threatened her. so i actually wasn't surprised. anyone else figure that?

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Superman of Krypton
W T F!!???

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Lionel's playing everyone. He wants Lex to think he is focused on protecting him and keeping the 33.1 and Ares projects going. He wants Martha to think he's focused on protecting both her and Clark. He wants Lana to think he's doing everything solely for Clark's own good. And he wants Clark to think that he's his friend and would never betray him. I think none of these things are the real deal. Lionel is playing everyone and is going to set something huge in motion.

[smallville38]

I agree with Midgard Dragon that I think Lionel will be part of something huge at the end of this season, but I think deep down he's still loyal to Clark. Even without Jor-El's direct control he was trying to protect Clark. With all the knowledge and understanding he gained, he knows he has to protect Clark. I think the knowledge ultimately turned him good. However, without Jor-El's control, he's still committed to protecting his own son. These are conflicting motives, but I think he is trying to protect Clark by forcing Lana to Lex. He was trying to protect Clark from Lex.

[Lavenderrose73]

Hey, good argument! I like that better than mine, which was that in worst case scenario, even if Lionel is still a slimeball, he still won't reveal Clark's secret. Why? Knowledge is power (not to mention serious leverage), and Lionel wants it all to himself!!

[Nospam]

Originally posted by xrayvision
That's good. Keep posting them.

I made a post in the Theories/Speculation forum that Lionel may have been the one to revive the Fortress because:

1. We saw that it lit up in the end of Fallout but never saw who was inside when that happened

and

2. That last scene from Fallout could have been months later (since the episode was said to be 6 weeks after Dark Thursday). Remember how the very next episode, Rage, was set at Thanksgiving. So there could be a time lapse within Fallout.

No offense, xrayvision, but there is absolutely no question that Clark restored the Fortress at the end of Fallout. Only Clark possessed the means necessary in the form of the crystal that contained the energy of the black ship. That was a key plot point in the episode.

The writers took a stylistic approach in the scene where the Fortress was restored and that seems to have confused a lot people.

[wearetheborg]

The impression I got from the episode was that Lionel told Lana what the heck was going on, and how staying with Lex was preotecting Clark, but the explanation wasnt shown to the viewers.

[iemand17]

did any of you see the look in lana's face when he said he did it for clarks protection. ^_^ priceless.

[Super Maverick]

i don't know whether to trust lionel of not!

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Nospam
Only Clark possessed the means necessary in the form of the crystal that contained the energy of the black ship.

But Lionel could have swiped it, used it to revive the fortress himself, and then put it back. Clark hasn't been paying attention to what has been going on in the FOS this season since Fallout. Lionel most definitely cleaned up the crashed Luthorcorp jet after finding it (from the blackbox beacon). If he found it, then he knows the FOS' location. There was a several month time lapse between Fallout (6 weeks after Dark Thursday) & Rage (the next episode, set at Thanksgiving). If I were TPTB and wanted to throw one hell of a plot twist in there, I would make it that Lionel was the one to revive it. Lionel's plans involve power & Kryptonian symbols. The FOS has to be where his source for that power lies. More evidence is the 2nd portion of the broken blackbox of Brainiac (which Lex doesn't have and was lying around in the Luthor Mansion) along with the broken dagger. If they drop these 2 objects from the storyline, it's a major plothole. Lex, Lionel, nor Lana would ever let those go without retrieving them if they were still in the mansion. We pretty much know what everyone's up to but Lionel. He has a lot of time to get up to the FOS (especially if he has the octagonal key).

I understand what you're saying that it is almost certain that they would never do anything like this. But as I laid out, it's entirely possible if they wanted to do it. If this show didn't have a history of leaving plotholes, I would even go so far as to say that they paved the way for this to happen.

This is partly the path I made Lionel follow in the episode I posted on another forum here that I call Eradication:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72822

In Eradication, Clark was the one who was revealed to revive it, though it would have also worked had Lionel revived it with Clark surprised that it was functioning.