Evil Lana

[supermanfan04]

she has to act this way to get away from lex. she's just beating him at his own game.

she's finally doing things on her own and becoming more of a woman than a girl.

[xrayvision]

I wouldn't say she's beating him (not yet anyway). I think she's playing at a close level though. When they're finally done, I think she will need backup from her friends because Lex is gonna go berzerk.

[Man of Steels45x]

lana is a very canniving and sneaky one, she can control lex and make him feel she's telling the truth.

[supermanfan04]

oh, yeah...she was awesome. she might not be beating him yet, i agree, but she's definately on her way!

[xrayvision]

But I like the improvement.

[idunowinks]

shes got some tricks up her sleeve, go evil lana!!

[svfan50]

O..Believe me...All the Lana haters actually loved her todayy!!!!!!!!

lol...seriosly..I lvoed herr..!! EVIL LANA!!! aahh..i havent ever loved her more..!!

[jsofa]

she's so much better as a villian than a victim

[Lostfan588]

I only hate pretty pink Lana...


evil Lana is cool! This ep rocked for her.

[myankskent]

Lana really impressed me this episode. Finally, she is taking action as a result of what was done to her. She really made this entire episode amazing for me, since I liked the Clex stuff. Both the A and B plots were great in this one.

[Ilovebeinglost]

She was going to let Lex die but yet Clark went down to save him because like Chloe said "you don't choose who you save if you are Clark Kent"

She's nothing like Clark but more of a Luthor now even Lionel said it.

[lexs&os]

I like evil Lana but she needs to stay away from Clark!

[xrayvision]

Now all they gotta do is turn her into a non-evil non-victim type.

[aqgalaxy]

I LOVE LANA IN THIS EPISODE

[SmallvilleMan]

She isn't evil, i don't where this evil talks come from......She acted evil at points.....But she isn't evil

[SeaNymph]

I loved how tough she acted. I'm glad she's taking charge...what they did to her was AWFUL.

[Kid Collins]

Lana's not evil...she's just gving payback where it's due. And it's about time. She's doing it on her own and not asking Clark or Chloe for help.

[Ginx]

Just because some people are posting (me included) that Lana's lying, cheating, stealing to get what she wants doesn't mean I'm a Lana-hater - it just means I'm observant - I do realize that Lana is doing these things because it's the only way to get out of what she's gotten herself into - I just wonder is it really worth her soul? She's such a completely different person (some good with the bad) than she was in the beginning - good character growth but I do wonder if she can find her way back to the version of Lana that Clark seems to love - because the version she is now - I'm not sure if that's the kinda person he would want to have around. :\

[lissie14]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Now all they gotta do is turn her into a non-evil non-victim type.
I agree. Gotta strike a balance, especially when it comes to the haters. :lol:

[thehenry89]

she was defintly better this episode then she's been for the last 3 years.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lana didnt cheat........where is that coming from?

[Ginx]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Lana didnt cheat........where is that coming from?

you're taking it outta context - the saying is 'lie, cheat, and steal' - cheating isn't always linked to a physical relationship. ;)

And don't get so defensive - I'm not a Lana-hater. :\

[SmallvilleMan]

That's not me defensive, give me a little more credit than that;) And for the record, cheating is only considered with physical relationships.......Eye sex doesn't count:lol:

[Ginx]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
That's not me defensive, give me a little more credit than that;) And for the record, cheating is only considered with physical relationships.......Eye sex doesn't count:lol:

Ah - good. Not on the defensive - wasn't sure lol.

And cheating relates to dishonesty. You can 'cheat' on school exams, 'cheat' your taxes, - it doesn't always relate to a phsyical relationship as far as the saying goes. It's just a line that signifies dishonesty and doing whatever you have to 'lie, cheat, and steal' you way through it. ;)

Lana was 'cheating' on Lex in the sense that she was going behind his back and going through his briefcase. 'Cheating' on him that she's still pining for Clark, 'Cheating' on him that she goes to get answers from Lionel behind his back ....... different forms and references to the word.

[supermanfan04]

lana was just so great. i wouldn't really call her evil, though. she's just gotten really frakin smart!

[SmallvilleMan]

You're trying to turn cheating into being deceptive.......Or stealing....Not the same and pining for someone isn't cheating.....Basically you're venturing into the gray area of these things

[Ilovebeinglost]

She was going to let Lex die and she threatened Lionel now ask yourself this question

would Clark do these things? absolutely not, no matter how evil someone is he saves them because it's the right thing to do

[lilkoolmaria]

Yup, Evil!Lana rocks. :)

[jimmyolsenblues]

i admit it, i kind of like evil lana, and i have not liked lana since ep 100.

[SmallvilleMan]

would Clark do these things? absolutely not, no matter how evil someone is he saves them because it's the right thing to do

But Chloe would, she's threatened Lionel and she admitted to wanting Lex to die down there. No one is Clark, no one, not even a fellow superhero like Batman.

[Jack-El49]

Forget the wordsmithing debate.

The development of Lana from victim to woman of action is simply awesome. Whether Clark would love this version of Lana is to be seen but what she's doing is dishing out to Lex and Lionel what she has been fed and it's pretty friggin' sweet to see.

I think the best is yet to come.

[SmallvilleMan]

Course Clark would, because she wouldn't act like that with him.

[Ginx]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
You're trying to turn cheating into being deceptive.......Or stealing....Not the same and pining for someone isn't cheating.....Basically you're venturing into the gray area of these things

Or...you're just seeing your version of the word and won't accept other possibilities. Which is fine. We shall just have to agree to disagree on the context of the saying/word and get back to the main topic of the thread. ;)


Originally posted by Jack-El49
Forget the wordsmithing debate.

The development of Lana from victim to woman of action is simply awesome. Whether Clark would love this version of Lana is to be seen but what she's doing is dishing out to Lex and Lionel what she has been fed and it's pretty friggin' sweet to see.

I think the best is yet to come.

LOL @ the wordsmithing debate - noted.

I agree that Lana being more of a woman than a victim is a good step. Whatever the direction that might be - it's still a step from where she was.

[SmallvilleMan]

Or...you're just seeing your version of the word and won't accept other possibilities. Which is fine. We shall just have to agree to disagree on the context of the saying/word and get back to the main topic of the thread

hahahaha yes ma'am.......:p

[Khyla]

I like Dark Lana! :)

But now Clark knows that she was planning on letting Lex die.... not good for his pure and perfect image of her,, That news, plus the implication that she may know more than she lets on, may begin to shatter his Lana-love fantasy world... well, it's about time something did!

Go "Queen Luthor"! :)

[SmallvilleMan]

Not likely.......

[margroks]

Lana is much better when she reveals what so many people have been seeing about her from the beginning. She's a self absorbed girl who wants to be worshipped and gets pissy when she finds out she isn't the center of attetnion. SHe doesn't like being manipulated like she manipulates everyone around her. But it reveals her character as not a nice person and it was good that Clark is finally opening up his eyes to that fact. Yes, Clark, she was going to let her husband die and that is not nice no matter what. But this is not a character trait you want in a friend. Both CHloe and Clark were appalled by her actions. It's past time we saw Lana called on the things she has done and hopefully this is the beginning.

[SmallvilleMan]

Oh brother........Yes, we know Lana is the devil:rolleyes: But wait, she sacrificed her life in marrying Lex to save Clark.......:eek: But im sure she really did it for herself:lol:

[Deana]

I was proud of Lana this episode. That freak made her think she was pregnant and then that she lost the baby. That is not a game.

Go Lana!

[jimmyolsenblues]

To everyone, Please don't make this a shipper thread.
The basis of the thread is that lana was aggressive with lionel and lex regarding her situation.
That lionel forced lana into marrying lex into what lionel is saying is to protect clark by keeping lana close to lex.
This is really interesting plot and I believe pivotal to the entire series.
Please do not turn this into my ship is better than your ship thread as the thread will be dumped and a lot of intelligent debate will be lost. Please respect the rules of the board.
Thanks

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

I really thought the emotionless hugs Lana gave Lex were a nice touch. I think she's just acting all evil-ish to beat Lex at his own game, just like other people have already said. GO LANA!

[casper27125]

FINALLY....we get to see her dark side instead of HELP ME please I'm in PINK.

SO proud of Lana....now she can make LEX the doormat.

WOO HOO!

[emily feist]

Finally, she getting pissed at the ones who deserve it. I'm so happy she's realizing who the real villains are now. I remember last year how she despised Clark and acted like Lex was some hero. Finally, she knows the truth.

[msleggie]

I like the way Lana is realizing that she has to play to win. She still has a ways to go be4 she can beat a guy like Lex, but she's well on her way and i'm lovin it!

[BadClark4Ever]

Go Evil Lana. Like Lionel said, she's a Luthor.

[Jack-El49]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Course Clark would, because she wouldn't act like that with him.

I think you're right about that and what reason would he give her to act that way with him? He wouldn't manipulate her into thinking she was pregnant by him in order to "seal the deal". Martha wouldn't corner Lana and say she was going to kill Nell or burn all Lana's pink sweaters if she didn't marry Clark. So there's no reason for her to act that way with Clark.

I guess the question is will Clark view Lana differently because of what she felt she had to do or was forced to do to exact a little revenge on the Luthors or at least to get free of Lex? That's the question that I think we'll see played out over the next 3 episodes and next season.

The scene in Progeny (maybe the only decent scene in the whole eppy to me) as Lana was telling Clark she didn't need him to protect her; that she could take care of herself - was that some foreshadowing or what?
:D

[xtremeroswellian1]

I thought this was a fantastic episode. I don't blame her for wanting Lex to die down there or threatening Lionel! It's about time! And that guilt trip she laid on Lex at the end? Blew me away. Fantastic. Kudos to KK, because she OWNED this one!

[BadClark4Ever]

Originally posted by xtremeroswellian1
I thought this was a fantastic episode. I don't blame her for wanting Lex to die down there or threatening Lionel! It's about time! And that guilt trip she laid on Lex at the end? Blew me away. Fantastic. Kudos to KK, because she OWNED this one!

Chloe totally saw that Lana would have kept the info and let Lex die. She was shocked but then again, probably understood!

[xtremeroswellian1]

Personally I'd LOVE to see Chloe and Lana team up and take down the Luthors. That would be awesome.

[Absentee]

I love this Lana. It's only RIGHT that she stands up for herself and deal with this problem on her own. WHY? Because she was basically raped of her choices AND was fooled into thinking she was pregnant. What is she suppose to do? Sit back and wait for it to pass? Ofcourse not. If you found out that someone did such a horrendous act on you, wouldn't you seek out revenge?

But I guess some people would prefer that Lana would rather sit on her pweety wittle butt and let everyone else do the work for her or better yet have Clark save her alllllll the time :rolleyes:

[closetclana]

All those years fighting with the fotw must have finally sunk in. She's realized that Clark won't swoop in and save her this time so she is finally standing up for herself.

Loved this Lana! She is trying to win this game the only way she can win. It's nice to see Lana smarten up. After a life full of crap Lana has earned this! I hope we see more.

Don't underestimate a woman whose hormones are out of balance.

[xtremeroswellian1]

Originally posted by Absentee
But I guess some people would prefer that Lana would rather sit on her pweety wittle butt and let everyone else do the work for her or better yet have Clark save her alllllll the time :rolleyes:

No way. I LOVED this Lana. All girl-power and butt-kicking and ready to knock some heads together. Fantastic!

[binkys711]

ok I just have to get this off my chest.....

HOLY!$#@%$!#%!LANA'S A B!TCH!!! and I absolutely ADORE her this way! :rotfl: she was absolutely FANTASTIC! :D:D:D:D:D

phew! feel better now....you may continue with the discussion...:p

[citizenlen]

If that crap happened to me, I'll probably go on a shooting rampage. What amazes me was that Lana kept her cool the whole time. If you want answers sometimes you have to play dirty. After all the crap the Luthor men has done to everyone, I am so glad a woman is going to teach them a lesson. And it better be hard and long. Eww, that last part came out kinda of nasty. lol

[BWOracle]

I liked the fact that Lana immediately knows (at least since Progeny) that Lex was behind the fake pregnancy. She had no doubts. Old Lana would have tried to blame anybody but the man she was devoted to.

[SeaNymph]

Originally posted by BWOracle
I liked the fact that Lana immediately knows (at least since Progeny) that Lex was behind the fake pregnancy. She had no doubts. Old Lana would have tried to blame anybody but the man she was devoted to.

I was relieved to hear that she knew it was Lex. I actually wondered after the last episode whether or not she knew.

[vyperman7]

This Lana is much more tolerable to me. I liked Lana in S1. Then they started making her the obsession of every guy in Smallville, she turned into a helpless victim, and all she did in her spare time when she wasn't be stalked or attacked, was whine about Clark's dishonesty. How anyone could like that version of Lana is beyond me.

However, I actually like this version of Lana. It is a lot better for her to be standing up for herself and being proactive. She isn't whining about Clark's dishonesty, and she isn't sitting back and playing the victim anymore.

Also, now that she is married, they are no longer boring us down with episode after episode of Lana being stalked. I hate Clexana even more than Clana. But at least as a married woman, Lana isn't being stalked in every other episode. Lex still gets kidnapped or beat up a dozen times a season, but at least Lana is now considered to be a married woman.

So as of right now we have :

- A proactive Lana who is being more cold and calculating
- A Lana who knows the secret finally and doesn't whine about Clark's dishonesty
- The hinting of Clana, with the realization that it will never happen. This is the type of Clana I can tolerate. As long as they keep em apart and stick with the glances from a distance I will be happy.

I hope that this version of Lana continues.

[CLANA the GREAT]

KK was amazing...I enjoy her wickedness toward the Luthors :D. For once, I didn't flip the channels throughout :lol:.

Hopefully it's only a fake death in the finale...;)

[margroks]

It isn't shippery to call out the disgusting nature of having the hero getting close to a married woman. That is revolting and unacceptable. Lana is not jsut now getting all evil; shehas always been borderline psychotic and is now revealing what she's really like. That aside, she should not have her hands of Clark because SHE is married and it doesn't matter how it happened. Plus, she kept saying she wanted Lex and was nasty to Clark all this time so she is only getting what she deserves. It's way past time we saw Clark acting heroic and Clark and Lana at all now is not right. That's why Lana should not have been the one to paw Clark in that scene and many peopel found it just as revoltuig as Promise. It is simply unacceptable.

Lana's actions, from lying about how Lionel was her only family if Lex died, threatening to KILL a seriously injured man who's awaiting surgery, planning on letting her husband die to pawing Clark are all nasty and immoral, and cannot be excused becasue she thinks she's been mistreated. That is the behavior we say we don't like in the Luthors and it is not sudden;y okay becasue the Poor princess Lana is the one doing such things. It's just as wrong if she does it and I don't applaud her for them. Of course, Lana murdered a woman and let the Luthors cover it up for her so she is no stranger to this kind of thing but it remains WRONG to do it.

There's this saying that when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Lana asked to be a part of this family and has dissed Clark for over a year. SHe is now getting what she deserves and I have no sympathy for her. Oh, there's that other saying about two wrongs don't make a right, too. This just smacks of more Lana can do no wrong and I don't buy it. It may be more interesting to watch but she should be called out for it not given a pat on the back.

[friday]

I know it was hyped as a Clex episode, but Lana owned "Nemesis"! She was self sufficient, cool, calculating and not someone to be messed with. I like this darker Lana if her new attitude serves to help Clark and his fight against evol. :p

[margroks]

Lana being evil and nasty is hardly the way to help Clark fight agains evil. That is the "end justifies the means" logic which drives the Lex and Lionel. I'm afraid Lana is no better than they are if she takes that tack. If Lana really wants to help Clark she should own up to her mistakes and repudiate her former behavior. Being firmly on the side of right is the only way to be righteous and Clark knows that since he went to save Lex. The actress did a great job but the character is perfectly appalling and deserves to be punished for what she did. Even a hint of Clana under these circumstances is repulsive. The real tragedy of Smallville is that the hero obsesses over this awful girl who keeps him from his destiny and that it has taken six long arduous years of this crap for him to start to realize what kind of dispicable person she is under that fake shell of pretty and nice.

[petewillreturn]

Originally posted by margroks
Lana is much better when she reveals what so many people have been seeing about her from the beginning. She's a self absorbed girl who wants to be worshipped and gets pissy when she finds out she isn't the center of attetnion. SHe doesn't like being manipulated like she manipulates everyone around her. But it reveals her character as not a nice person and it was good that Clark is finally opening up his eyes to that fact. Yes, Clark, she was going to let her husband die and that is not nice no matter what. But this is not a character trait you want in a friend. Both CHloe and Clark were appalled by her actions. It's past time we saw Lana called on the things she has done and hopefully this is the beginning.


I have to agree with this. I think that Chloe saved her from making a terrible mistake. Lana hit a crossroad in this episode and she decided on the path of evil. She continues to make bad choices which define her. Sure bad things have happened to her but who in this series has not. I think we can all understand her actions but this does not justify her them. I think it was a big think that Clark didn’t let Lex die, that Chloe didn’t stop him and that Lex saved Clark. Lana on the other hand was willing to let Lex die.

[Jlvsclrk]

Well said. Lana's actions were enjoyable to watch - I chortled with glee throughout her speech to Lex in the finale - but I don't mistake that enjoyment of her actions for admiration of her conduct.

I'll give her some benefit of the doubt and say that with that speech she was laying the groundwork for getting out of the marriage with Lex without making it Clark's fault. She told Lex flat out that if she ever heard that somebody told her a horrible lie and then went to the altar knowing that the marriage was under false pretenses, she would never be able to forgive. And so the marriage is over: Lex just doesn't know it yet.

[smallvillefreak24]

I am completely pro-lana at this point

[Khyla]

Originally posted by margroks
... Even a hint of Clana under these circumstances is repulsive. The real tragedy of Smallville is that the hero obsesses over this awful girl who keeps him from his destiny and that it has taken six long arduous years of this crap for him to start to realize what kind of dispicable person she is under that fake shell of pretty and nice. Amen!

[citizenlen]

How is she a despicable person under a fake shell? She's a woman scorned but she's still a good person despite of what had happened to her. I also didn't think she had the information on the tunnel that long because when she opened the file, then Chloe walked in. Which means she just found the info right there.

I swear if Lana is whining about telling the truth, she gets crapped on by certain fans, then when she finally becomes proactive and find out things for herself instead of running to Clark going 'whoa is me" she still gets crapped on. Its damn if you do or damn if you don't with Lana. At least there are certain fans who even if they are not rosey with Lana accepts that she has become more interesting and someone who is actually taking action rather than the pink damsel.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by citizenlen


I swear if Lana is whining about telling the truth, she gets crapped on by certain fans, then when she finally becomes proactive and find out things for herself instead of running to Clark going 'whoa is me" she still gets crapped on. Its damn if you do or damn if you don't with Lana. At least there are certain fans who even if they are not rosey with Lana accepts that she has become more interesting and someone who is actually taking action rather than the pink damsel.

:cool:

[foreversmallville]

I wouldn't really say that Lana is evil. I admit I've always liked Lana...and I've enjoyed watching her character develop over the years. When writing you can't possibly give the viewers everything at once or the show would run for one season. The same goes for all the charcaters. Like Clark can't finish learning and developing because once he becomes Superman...Smallville is over...done...finished. The same goes for Chloe...Lex...all of them. That is one reason why I have never understood how anyone can dislike a certain character. I mean I like them all...I may like some better than others...but I do like them all. I even don't mind Lois...even though she really doesn't belong in Smallville.

Anyhow...I thought Lana was great...she just has to be smarter than the Luthors.

[darkone]

Clark wasnt jumping for joy to save Lex down there either.And once Clark finds out about the baby thing I assume he's not going to hug Lex.Infact he goes off and is trying to KILL Lionel.So much for Clark and Lana being different in that case haha.

[cotton candy girl]

To some people it doesn't matter what Lana does, they will not like her. Period. I don't even think it's totally rational. Some people refuse to see any good in Lana. I mean in the world of acting, characters have faults; even heroes have tragic flaws.

[Luv Clana/Hate Lexana]

Originally posted by citizenlen
How is she a despicable person under a fake shell? She's a woman scorned but she's still a good person despite of what had happened to her. I also didn't think she had the information on the tunnel that long because when she opened the file, then Chloe walked in. Which means she just found the info right there.

I swear if Lana is whining about telling the truth, she gets crapped on by certain fans, then when she finally becomes proactive and find out things for herself instead of running to Clark going 'whoa is me" she still gets crapped on. Its damn if you do or damn if you don't with Lana. At least there are certain fans who even if they are not rosey with Lana accepts that she has become more interesting and someone who is actually taking action rather than the pink damsel.

Agreed.

Find another target.

[Khyla]

I thought Lana's character was great in this ep . I really liked her....and i said so a few posts back and on other threads too.

What i have no longer been able to stomach is CLANA !



Originally posted by cotton candy girl
...even heroes have tragic flaws. and Clark has a very "tragic flaw" that he needs to outgrow; he gets mind-whammied into some goo-goo-eyed haze whenever he sees Lana, as if she is the love of his life, and that's based on... WHAT????

WHAT THE HELL DOES HE HAVE WITH HER TO BASE THAT ON????

Trust?

Loyalty?

A build-up of years of Friendship?

Did you ever see them go out somewhere together for fun, just the two of them, like a date, like meet for coffee or something?

were they ever shown as just having innocent fun together (not lusting), being happy togehter (maybe once)

Were they ever even seen as meeting anywhere on a regular basis? (all i remember were those lame loft scenes where they had issues with each other. I used to like them)

[citizenlen]

Blame the writers for that. I agree there were only few fleeting moments that they have romantic times together. Actually even with Lex and Lana I never saw them go on a dinner date.

They do meet at the Talon for coffee. Remember, he was getting freebies at the Talon? I really have no idea how that place stayed in business when Chloe, Pete, and Clark were like caffeine addicted camels.


I can understand why some didn't like the Clana scene, esp if you've never been a fan of their relationship, but I look at it as a character angle. Lana was build up from the beginning of Nemesis as a scorned woman, but it was nice to see that her heart is not made of stone, just that she's become a hardened woman. Seriously, as much as I was gleaming at her new found badness, I was relieved that she didn't completely cross over the dark side.

I think Lana will find a balance of not being overly trusting as she used to do and running to Clark all the time, but still manage to maintain a shield as to not get screwed up like that again.

Hopefully, the writers doesn't f*** up with her character again, like what they're doing with Chloe and having her have a meteor power. I was actually impressed that Chloe relied on her raw skills, talent and smartness, but no, the writers have to give her some meteor power. Might as well make everyone a meteor freak.

Sorry to gripe on that, but it gets boring when you find out that this or that also have power. You know, Chloe is already an interesting and special character, there's no need to add stupidity if not ridiculousness. Just like how everyone in Heroes seem to have powers. I'd rather take a regular person who rely on their smarts and think on their feet any day than Clepto-Bart.

[AngylWylde]

Originally posted by margroks
Lana being evil and nasty is hardly the way to help Clark fight agains evil. That is the "end justifies the means" logic which drives the Lex and Lionel. I'm afraid Lana is no better than they are if she takes that tack. If Lana really wants to help Clark she should own up to her mistakes and repudiate her former behavior. Being firmly on the side of right is the only way to be righteous and Clark knows that since he went to save Lex. The actress did a great job but the character is perfectly appalling and deserves to be punished for what she did. Even a hint of Clana under these circumstances is repulsive. The real tragedy of Smallville is that the hero obsesses over this awful girl who keeps him from his destiny and that it has taken six long arduous years of this crap for him to start to realize what kind of dispicable person she is under that fake shell of pretty and nice.

I couldn't agree more. You hit the nail right on the head. Except for one small thing...I don't think Clark is still actually really seeing Lana for who she is. No one is, except maybe Lionel. Because she always hide her true nature (from the very beginning and still is). I still think that Clark idealizes her far too much and I don't think that is going to change. If it hasn't changed yet, I can't see it happening. It's too bad, though - that Clark doesn't get to see Lana playing hardball with people. Because I think he would see her true nature and would probably give up on her like he did Lex. Well, that is IF TPTB allowed that. :-/

[Khyla]

Originally posted by AngylWylde
I couldn't agree more. You hit the nail right on the head. Except for one small thing...I don't think Clark is still actually really seeing Lana for who she is. No one is, except maybe Lionel. Because she always hide her true nature (from the very beginning and still is). I still think that Clark idealizes her far too much and I don't think that is going to change. If it hasn't changed yet, I can't see it happening. It's too bad, though - that Clark doesn't get to see Lana playing hardball with people. Because I think he would see her true nature and would probably give up on her like he did Lex. Well, that is IF TPTB allowed that. :-/
well i do think a few tiny rays of clarity might be filtering through. He did seem a bit taken aback when he discovered, as Chloe had, that Lana was going to let Lex die down there.

[CLanaF23]

I think Lana is tired of Lex and she wants to get out..and she is not taking the situation lying down anymore..... i mean she still is good lana but this situation is forcing her to show her tough side...i luv it!!!

[Angelina2809]

Lana is clever! She ois planning something! Haden't you saw the look at her face as Lex had hug her in the end of this episode? We do not know what Lionel told her! But I am sure we will find out what Lana's plan is in the finale of this season! I mean if someone would make me believe that I am pregnant and lost a baby which never had exist... I do not know what I would do with this person! Go for it Lana!!!!

[margroks]

A girl who threatens to kill an injured man while he's waiting for surgery and later is willing to let another man die when she could save him IS NOT a good person. It doesn't matter what these men have done, it is not morally correct to kill them like that. THis is a leason Clark has had to learn and the contrast between Clark and CHloe who, though they distrust Lionel and have no reason to care about Lex, STILL went to his rescue, was the main point of the episode. Chloe and later Clark were shocked to learn Lana had doen these things and it means Clark and Chloe are starting to see what kind of self centered, manipulative girl Lana really is. SHe has never been a very nice person, always wrapped up in her self and wanting every one's attention at all times. Remember how Lana was okay with Van McNulty killing freaks? Now we have even more proof that she is selfish and has no qualms about hurting other people.

And again, Lana asked to be in this position. SHe dissed Clark and said she wanted to be with Lex; she was wuite hateful to Clark on many occasions. So now that she is in bed with the devil, literally, it's her fault and she is getting what Clark and CHloe tried to warn her would happen in one way or another. It's totally Lana's fault that she refused to listen to their warnings and not she's getting what she deserves. It doesn't matter what Lex or Lionel did and frankly, Lionel only forced her to keep her peomise to Lex, after all, she is still married to Lex, she claimed she wanted to marry him all along and she's tight where she said she wanted to be.

This was not meant to show how tough Lana suddenly is, it was meant to show how awful she is to be willing to do these things. There are right and wrong ways to go about things and Lana is still doing it in ways that are very, very wrong. SHe tried to kill to people and lied like a cheap rug in the same moment she was saying how bad it was to lie to people. SHe is NOT good, she's quite the opposite and this ep proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Clark and Chloe acted righteously; Lana did not. SHe should not be prised for what she did; she should be castigated for it.

Furthermore, Lana has never been a "scorned woman." EVeryone and his brother worshops the ground she stands on for no reason we've ever been shown. And yes, Lana gets gried when she whines about secrets and lies becase she is not entitled to other people's secrets just because she thinks she is. Those secrets are Clark's to reveal or not. It's has always been wrong for her to demand that which isn't hers and it doesn't matter whether they ever dated or not. When she "takes matters into her own hands," and spies on Clark, that is wrong too and her actions in Tresspass were filled with and based on lies, again, which she claims to hate. Lying to get onto the Kent farm and into Clark's room, sneaking around in the barn, all based on lies and wrong. And, as above, threatening to kill people or letting them die when you cuold save then is still wrong on all counts and underhanded. Lana deserves to be called on all her actions becasue they were all wrong. Really, I want the fact that she killed Genevieve Teague and asked Lex and Lionel to cover it up so she wouldn't have to go to jail to come out. She SO deserves to be caught for that. WHy? Because it was wrong.

What Lana has done is essentially try to murdur two men in one day , the men who helped her cover up an earlier killing. She is a very bad person for these actions, not the sweet girl on the stupid pedestal Clark and everyone else tries to put her on. SHe is not innocent of terrible wrongdoing and needs to be brought up short for her misdeeds instead of coddled and treated with sympathy. She has brought all of this upon herself.

[Ania]

Lana belongs in jail. And I can't stand watching everyone gushing over this cold murderous b*tch.

[Sweetie]

Lana always been dark as long as I can remember.I don't know what the big deal is?She always had evilness inside her,if she was so nice and sweet,Isobel would have never possessed her.The way she was harasing Clark to know his secret,in fact,she was acting just like Lex...pressuring him to reveal everything to her when she had terrible secrets of her own.I'm not suprised that she wanted revenge after Lex & Lionel did to her and she had been threated by meteor freaks,no wonder she wants them dead.She always had vengeance in her heart,it's very unheatly and destructive feeling.She's very selfish and manipulates people at her will.She can only go on the evil path now.The question is how can Clark still has his nasty obssession about such person?Who belongs into a mental institution.She's way too nasty for Clark who didn't wait a second to save Lex.That's why he will become a hero because he saves people no matter what.I hope Clark wakes up soon and sees how she is really is.

[emily feist]

I don't think she's evil but I think she's fueled by hatred right now. I personally think the reason the writers are going this route is to slowly show how Clark falls out of love with her. Especially, if she spends the next year trying to get her revenge, depending on what she does, I can see Clark feeling like he's looking at a morally bankrupt human being. However, I am on Lana's side. I don't know how I'd react to all of this news if it was happening to me. But especially the fake baby, fake miscarriage. It's funny I was looking at some fanfiction stories and one was about what Lex has done to Lana and the summary was,"Lex is willing to break one heart to save his own," I think that sums up their relationship pretty well. He doesn't care how much pain the baby or the miscarriage had on Lana, as long as he was able to make her his wife. Now killing is wrong but like Lex himself said when defending himself to Clark, "There's no gray area with you." The Luthors are covered in the gray. The only way Lana might be able to survive this crazy family and her evil husband might be getting her hands dirty. I have a feeling she will be planning Lex's murder very soon. I almost wonder if the nod to this in Noir is a subtle foreshadowing of things to come in the future. All that said I think that everyone has a breaking point. Lana has met hers. I think she'll do alot of vicious things against Lex but she will eventually be redeemed. I think she'll not only protect Clark but also help him and Chloe get information on Lex in order to take him down. Even though the situation is bad I think Lana needs to go through this dark unhealthy period in order to find her own power and to finally gain some wisdom in regards to her romantic relationships.

[Ania]

Originally posted by Sweetie
Lana always been dark as long as I can remember.I don't know what the big deal is?She always had evilness inside her,if she was so nice and sweet,Isobel would have never possessed her.The way she was harasing Clark to know his secret,in fact,she was acting just like Lex...pressuring him to reveal everything to her when she had terrible secrets of her own.I'm not suprised that she wanted revenge after Lex & Lionel did to her and she had been threated by meteor freaks,no wonder she wants them dead.She always had vengeance in her heart,it's very unheatly and destructive feeling.She's very selfish and manipulates people at her will.She can only go on the evil path now.The question is how can Clark still has his nasty obssession about such person?Who belongs into a mental institution.She's way too nasty for Clark who didn't wait a second to save Lex.That's why he will become a hero because he saves people no matter what.I hope Clark wakes up soon and sees how she is really is. Word. Word. WORD.

[closetclana]

I think this conversation about Lana being "good" or "evil" has been very interesting to read and I’m glad we have a place like this to discuss it.

Now imagine someone follows you around for six years recording everything you do on video. There would be thousands of hours of footage. Then an editor sits down and cuts that footage into some one hour videos. That editor could make you look good or evil or funny or lazy or sexy or whatever he wanted to make you look like. Be honest. We’ve seen this scenario play out on to many reality TV shows to say it isn’t true.

The reality is that we are all living our lives and we have parts of good and evil in us. I think we’ve all done things we not proud of.

I personally believe there is an absolute moral right and wrong in this world. But I don’t think any one person is an absolute – we are all grey, swinging from one end of the spectrum to the other from time to time. If you insist on see things in black and white than ultimately you must conclude that we are all evil.

Ok, that said, and keeping in mind that Lana is an imaginary character that the writers are trying to portray as realistic, I think we should cut her some slack. I’ll cut you some slack and you cut me some slack and we can all just be friends. We all do bad things sometimes. Let’s wait and see what Lana does in the future before we condemn her or praise her.

[darkone]

Originally posted by Sweetie
Lana always been dark as long as I can remember.I don't know what the big deal is?She always had evilness inside her,if she was so nice and sweet,Isobel would have never possessed her.
Isobel possessed her because she was an ancestor of Lana.This has nothing to do with a character trait of her.



Originally posted by Sweetie
The way she was harasing Clark to know his secret,in fact,she was acting just like Lex...pressuring him to reveal everything to her when she had terrible secrets of her own.

Chloe did exact the same thing I guess she's then "evil" aswell.


Originally posted by Sweetie
I'm not suprised that she wanted revenge after Lex & Lionel did to her and she had been threated by meteor freaks,no wonder she wants them dead.She always had vengeance in her heart,it's very unheatly and destructive feeling.

After the things Lex did to her (faking her pregnancy and then made her believe she had a miscarriage) its understandable how she reacted.I doubt any person in her position would have been acted differently.


Originally posted by Sweetie
Who belongs into a mental institution.

The only person who belongs in a mental institution right now is Chloe.


Originally posted by Sweetie
She's way too nasty for Clark who didn't wait a second to save Lex.

Oh yeah?Hm I saw a Clark who only saved Lex because Lionel begged him to help.He also hesitated in Progeny to save Lex from that bullet.So then both Clark and Lana are nasty IYO.



Originally posted by Sweetie
That's why he will become a hero because he saves people no matter what.I hope Clark wakes up soon and sees how she is really is.

Right Clark is the hero not Lana.He must made all the "right" decisions not Lana.I dont understand what you mean with "how she really is".When Clark can forgive Chloe betraying him with Lionel he can for sure forgive Lana doin that to Lex.I think he'll very well understand her actions and is going to help her to solve that problem with Lex.

[boingo]

Originally posted by margroks
A girl who threatens to kill an injured man while he's waiting for surgery and later is willing to let another man die when she could save him IS NOT a good person. It doesn't matter what these men have done, it is not morally correct to kill them like that.

It does matter imo...and A LOT. Especially when you look at the entire circumstances without convieniently omitting all aspects of the situation. Lana has been blackmailed, lied, violated, and hurt by both Lex and Lionel. What Lana is doing now is simply not allowing herself to continue to be "their" victim any longer.


THis is a leason Clark has had to learn and the contrast between Clark and CHloe who, though they distrust Lionel and have no reason to care about Lex, STILL went to his rescue, was the main point of the episode.

I only saw clark going to Lex's rescue...as it should be since HE is the HERO.



Chloe and later Clark were shocked to learn Lana had doen these things and it means Clark and Chloe are starting to see what kind of self centered, manipulative girl Lana really is.

lol I highly doubt it mainly because up to this point she has never been imo. What I saw was both Clark and Chloe realizing there is much more going on in regards to Lex/Lana than it appears.


SHe has never been a very nice person, always wrapped up in her self and wanting every one's attention at all times.

I disagree.


And again, Lana asked to be in this position. SHe dissed Clark and said she wanted to be with Lex; she was wuite hateful to Clark on many occasions.

Lana did not "ask for it"....and Lana did not "diss Clark"....Clark broke up with her...led her to believe that he no longer loved her or wanted to be with her. She did not leave Clark for Lex.


So now that she is in bed with the devil, literally, it's her fault and she is getting what Clark and CHloe tried to warn her would happen in one way or another. It's totally Lana's fault that she refused to listen to their warnings and not she's getting what she deserves.

I don't ever remember Clark or Chloe warning her about the threat of Lex drugging her with synthetic hormones and tricking her in believing she was pregnant and then inducing a miscarriage making her go through the emotional guilt and pain of losing her child. On the contrary Chloe and Lana were having a great old time "bowling" (bachelorette celebration) days before the wedding and even joking about "The future Mrs. Luthor" ~ Chloe... From Lana's perspective that doesn't scream her life was, is, or would ever be in danger. I don't think Clark or Chloe thought Lex would be capable of doing this type of harm to Lana either (to a friend/someone Lex claims to love).


And yes, Lana gets gried when she whines about secrets and lies becase she is not entitled to other people's secrets just because she thinks she is. Those secrets are Clark's to reveal or not. It's has always been wrong for her to demand that which isn't hers and it doesn't matter whether they ever dated or not.

Lana only sought out "explanations" to the "why" of certain actions. I would go into further detail but this is the 655454890 time I have debated on the issue....I am tired lol


SHe should not be prised for what she did; she should be castigated for it.

Standing up for herself....not allowing herself to continue to be the Luthor's victim anymore. This to me is worth praising.


She always had evilness inside her,if she was so nice and sweet,Isobel would have never possessed her.

I agree with darkone in that Isobel had NOTHING to do with Lana's character traits (especially ones that don't exist in the magnitude that it is being implied).


...Who belongs into a mental institution....

lol.

[CLanaF23]

um i love lana no matter how she acts....if she is doin it for her well being or clarks... im cool...... and lana is not evil she just standing up for herself....she has every right to act like this.....