Isn't Lex a meteorfreak himself?

[TorchJournalist1989]

Ok, in "Extinction" Chloe mentions that Lex has an unusually high white cell count in his blood allowing him to heal faster than other people. Also in the Pilot doesn't Lex mention that after the meteor shower he never got sick again?

So if that's the case then Lex himself is a meteor freak. I think it would've been much easier if Moira just tried to control Lex, then again I guess she probably didn't figure he was one..but if Chloe were to access way back in season 3 that Lex had an unusually high white blood cell count then maybe it was public knowledge..plus given the fact that I'm sure it's public that Lex was involved in the meteor shower..

Anyway, just thought I'd point this out.

[coco#1]

i thought the same thing about Lex being a meteor freak.He definately is a meteor freak.in past episodes he has stated that he has never been sick a day in his life ever since the first meteor shower and he also lost all of his hair also due to the M-shower. i guess they want to follow the comic more closely in this reguard.which dont make sense considering the introduction of the caves and all of the "kryptonians having previously visited earth/smallvill" in the distant past....whatever i guess:(

[Matriculated]

Moira needs one of the persons possessions before she can control them. Like you said, she didn't know he was a meteor freak so she didn't try to control him.

[Chokito]

yeah i thought that lex was a meteor freak too

[Wombat]

I know it was implied Lex was a meteor freak, but its entirely possible he isn't. I've known quiet a few people who never seem to get sick. Lex may just be one of those type of people.

[boywithbluehanger]

You guys noticed how when he was badly scrarred on the forehead in the Lexanna scene, the scar was immediately gone when he went to see Chloe's Mom?

[Peat Moss]

No way Lex would let Moira get something of his--he's more careful than that, and he knows he's a freak.

[Detorio]

Originally posted by Peat Moss
No way Lex would let Moira get something of his--he's more careful than that, and he knows he's a freak.

Exactly...so thats mean once again we are all left in Limbo wondering if Lex is a meteor freak...IMO im sure he is but im waiting for cold hard facts to emerge.

[ginnyfan]

For real!!! If Chloe is a meteor freak, Lex should be king of the freaks. LOL!

But wouldn't Tobias have said something?

[HotStudsSuccess]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
For real!!! If Chloe is a meteor freak, Lex should be king of the freaks. LOL!

But wouldn't Tobias have said something?

Yup, Lex is Superfreaka :lol:

[blaze88]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
For real!!! If Chloe is a meteor freak, Lex should be king of the freaks. LOL!

But wouldn't Tobias have said something?

I don't think Tobias ever scanned Lex..... I don't recall him ever having his glasses off around Lex, he and Lex didnt' even interact that much in the episode (was mostly the doctor working for Lex).

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by blaze88
I don't think Tobias ever scanned Lex..... I don't recall him ever having his glasses off around Lex, he and Lex didnt' even interact that much in the episode (was mostly the doctor working for Lex).

Hmmm good point....Leading to further speculation of the initial post.

[blaze88]

Yea i'm going with the Lex is a freak idea mostly becuase I doubt the creators would draw our attention to the fact that he has never got sick and things like that unless it was meant to lead us to think that. It doesn't make sense to me to bring up the fact that he never gets sick when theres no reason for it besides coincidince.

However the idea that he is a meteor freak may not mean 100% that Moira can control him.... because I believe in this ep Lex mentioned how meteor freak people have trace amounts of kryptonite in their bloodstream (I think this is why Moira can control them). However in the episode where a doctor examined Lex and mentioned the white blood cell count he never said anything about meteor rock. Also if Lex has an improved immune system it might be logical to think that this immune system would remove any kryptonite in his bloodstream making him similar to your average meteor freak, but not quite.

Although as people already said even if he is a meteor freak that Moira can control she wouldn't have thought of controlling him since she didn't know.

[Krpyto]

Originally posted by Wombat
I've known quiet a few people who never seem to get sick.

Aliens!

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

Originally posted by blaze88
Yea i'm going with the Lex is a freak idea mostly becuase I doubt the creators would draw our attention to the fact that he has never got sick and things like that unless it was meant to lead us to think that. It doesn't make sense to me to bring up the fact that he never gets sick when theres no reason for it besides coincidince.

However the idea that he is a meteor freak may not mean 100% that Moira can control him.... because I believe in this ep Lex mentioned how meteor freak people have trace amounts of kryptonite in their bloodstream (I think this is why Moira can control them). However in the episode where a doctor examined Lex and mentioned the white blood cell count he never said anything about meteor rock. Also if Lex has an improved immune system it might be logical to think that this immune system would remove any kryptonite in his bloodstream making him similar to your average meteor freak, but not quite.

Although as people already said even if he is a meteor freak that Moira can control she wouldn't have thought of controlling him since she didn't know.

;) Great catch! You totally thought that out...KUDOS TO YOU!!! plus a cookie!! :D

[Chlark Kent]

They never really confirmed he was a freak. It was just a theory Chloe was working on. They never confirmed his elevated WBC count was due to the meteors iirc.

[Zach]

No, in the episode extinction, Chloe had a file on Lex stating that he was in fact a meteor freak.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by blaze88
.... because I believe in this ep Lex mentioned how meteor freak people have trace amounts of kryptonite in their bloodstream (I think this is why Moira can control them).

I agree with you that this was the context of the episode. But this raises some questions:

1. If they have traces of kryptonite in them, then Clark would get sick from just being around them. Especially when he was younger and the slightest bit of kryptonite made them weak.

2. This also goes against the past evidence. In the past, true meteor freaks do not have kryptonite in them. I posted about this here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2838008#post2838008

To me, it seemed like for true freaks the kryptonite, in passing through their system, caused DNA mutations which resulted in powers. And that was that--no more kryptonite in their system, though the powers remained.

Now, for temporary freaks, which I consider as people who are not mutants but have temporary powers by juicing up on kryptonite and only have powers when kryptonite is in their system---they have been able to hurt Clark. Examples of this include Wade Mahaney, Scott Bowman & Derek Fox in Kinetic. If I remember correctly, Eric Marsh & his friends were also like this. These people caused Clark to get sick just by standing next to him when kryptonite was in their system (in the tattoos of Wade, Derek & Scott). Earl Jenkins was also like this.

The fact that Clark as far as I can remember has never been hurt staying next to a true freak (which they are promoting Chloe as) implies that they do not have trace amounts of kryptonite in their system. If Chloe had trace amounts of kryptonite in her, then she would hurt Clark just by staying next to him.

If they show Chloe's mom as someone who, like Earl Jenkins, has kryptonite in her system and isn't truly a freak, then that would make it consistent with the way they handled this in the past.

If I were them, I would create an awesome storyline where Chloe's mom, like Martha Kent, was in the past the object of Lionel's desire and he pursued her even though she was married (as he did with Martha in season 2) and that the kryptonite got into her system as a result of a Luthorcorp meeting with Lionel where she planned to get him to back off permanently, only to have a plant accident cause her to be poisoned by kryptonite (like Earl Jenkins). Then they could reveal that Lionel gave Gabe the job as a way of keeping things quiet. That would be a cool storyline.

[blaze88]

I see what you're saying and do agree, but thats the problem with smallville and its bad continuity and explanations for things. I looked at the episode again and yea Lex did say Moira/Chloe have trace amounts of kryptonite in their bloodstream and thats how he came up with the controlling meteor freaks idea. Based on this knowledge and Lex's theory (which appeared to be proven in this episode) that meteor rock in bloodstream = Moira control and as we see Moira controls meteor freaks thus meaning meteor freak = meteor rock in bloodstream (trace amounts remember with emphasis).

I think it depends on how much kryptonite is in the persons bloodstream for how it would effect Clark. Trace amounts when we are talking something in a persons bloodstream is soo tiny you'd need a microscope to see it.... so i doubt thats powerful enough to affect Clark at even a small distance. This is because the range of the kryptonite is proportional to its size (as we've seen with Lana's necklace vs. that massive amount of kryptonite Lionel had in his vault). You mentioned kinetic, but those men had tattos on the outside of their skin and they had to be quite close to clark to affect him. The other episode with that baseball player guy... he never affected Clark unless he actually hit him (meaning he had to get even closer to affect Clark since the kryptonite was in his blood instead of outside his skin). He basically had to touch Clark to affect him and even this affect wasn't that strong it was just strong enough to allow him to penetrate Clarks skin with hits. Also lets not forget Clark doesn't get sick around Chloe and he has touched/came close to her so that means trace amounts may not be enough to affect Clark (remember Lex said Moira/Chloe have trace amounts in their blood).

Additionally, I don't recall any "true freaks" being able to injure Clark as the baseball player guy did.... so maybe "true freaks" have trace amounts while "temporary freaks" have larger amounts because they dose up in heavy amounts. So lets say trace amounts don't affect Clark when they are in a persons bloodstream (explains why true freaks don't have an edge on him), but large amounts do (explains why temporary freaks have the edge).

I do see what you're saying though because I agree that the metor rocks create mutations in the persons DNA resulting in the creation of a meta-human or mutant. This means they could still be mutants even though no more kryptonite is in their blood. The writers and creators of this show probably haven't thought much about this issue so I'd just attribute these problems to them not keeping consistency. Ever since Chloe became a meteor freak I think we have to throw out all the theory we know about meteor freaks lol.

So just to clarify the only theory i can comeup with that completely explains and agrees with everything we know about meteorfreaks (with the additional stuff we have learned in this ep) is this:

"True freaks" = Have trace amounts of kryptonite in their bloodstream allowing Moira to control them (why she could control a bunch of those other 33.1 freaks), but trace amounts are not large enough to affect Clark due to their very limited range.

"Temporary freaks" = They dose up on kryptonite constantly leading to more significant amounts of kryptonite in their body/bloodstream (larger amount allows for damaging Clark).

So i still can't say whether Lex has any kryptonite or not in his blood, but i'm going with not because of the few things i mentioned before (as in even if he had it, his high WB count maybe can help remove it or he might have just had spontaneous mutations and no kryptonite in his blood anymore). I still could see him having it aswell and being one of those "true freaks" according to my above definition.

I can't believe how all out i went on this..... congrats and thx to anyone who actually reads this whole thing lol.

[Peat Moss]

Good point, but I would like to point out that Kryptonite is not necessary to hurt Clark, especially on the earlier episodes as his strength was developing.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by blaze88
I see what you're saying and do agree, but thats the problem with smallville and its bad continuity and explanations for things. I looked at the episode again and yea Lex did say Moira/Chloe have trace amounts of kryptonite in their bloodstream and thats how he came up with the controlling meteor freaks idea. Based on this knowledge and Lex's theory (which appeared to be proven in this episode) that meteor rock in bloodstream = Moira control and as we see Moira controls meteor freaks thus meaning meteor freak = meteor rock in bloodstream (trace amounts remember with emphasis).

I think it depends on how much kryptonite is in the persons bloodstream for how it would effect Clark. Trace amounts when we are talking something in a persons bloodstream is soo tiny you'd need a microscope to see it.... so i doubt thats powerful enough to affect Clark at even a small distance. This is because the range of the kryptonite is proportional to its size (as we've seen with Lana's necklace vs. that massive amount of kryptonite Lionel had in his vault). You mentioned kinetic, but those men had tattos on the outside of their skin and they had to be quite close to clark to affect him. The other episode with that baseball player guy... he never affected Clark unless he actually hit him (meaning he had to get even closer to affect Clark since the kryptonite was in his blood instead of outside his skin). He basically had to touch Clark to affect him and even this affect wasn't that strong it was just strong enough to allow him to penetrate Clarks skin with hits. Also lets not forget Clark doesn't get sick around Chloe and he has touched/came close to her so that means trace amounts may not be enough to affect Clark (remember Lex said Moira/Chloe have trace amounts in their blood).

Additionally, I don't recall any "true freaks" being able to injure Clark as the baseball player guy did.... so maybe "true freaks" have trace amounts while "temporary freaks" have larger amounts because they dose up in heavy amounts. So lets say trace amounts don't affect Clark when they are in a persons bloodstream (explains why true freaks don't have an edge on him), but large amounts do (explains why temporary freaks have the edge).

I do see what you're saying though because I agree that the metor rocks create mutations in the persons DNA resulting in the creation of a meta-human or mutant. This means they could still be mutants even though no more kryptonite is in their blood. The writers and creators of this show probably haven't thought much about this issue so I'd just attribute these problems to them not keeping consistency. Ever since Chloe became a meteor freak I think we have to throw out all the theory we know about meteor freaks lol.

So just to clarify the only theory i can comeup with that completely explains and agrees with everything we know about meteorfreaks (with the additional stuff we have learned in this ep) is this:

"True freaks" = Have trace amounts of kryptonite in their bloodstream allowing Moira to control them (why she could control a bunch of those other 33.1 freaks), but trace amounts are not large enough to affect Clark due to their very limited range.

"Temporary freaks" = They dose up on kryptonite constantly leading to more significant amounts of kryptonite in their body/bloodstream (larger amount allows for damaging Clark).

So i still can't say whether Lex has any kryptonite or not in his blood, but i'm going with not because of the few things i mentioned before (as in even if he had it, his high WB count maybe can help remove it or he might have just had spontaneous mutations and no kryptonite in his blood anymore). I still could see him having it aswell and being one of those "true freaks" according to my above definition.

I can't believe how all out i went on this..... congrats and thx to anyone who actually reads this whole thing lol.

Good post. I wish they would have stuck to a different storyline though, like Chloe's mother not being a freak and Lex instead using her to get to Chloe so he can study her.

[Chlark Kent]

Originally posted by Zach
No, in the episode extinction, Chloe had a file on Lex stating that he was in fact a meteor freak.

Um, no, Chloe had files on all the people she thought might be meteor infected. She didn't have any proof, and they never said for a fact that Lex was a meteor freak.

Clark: Hey, what's with the list?

Chloe: It's just my hunches. You know, sort of anything that's off the charts. It's kind of a purgatory before you graduate to the Wall of Weird.

[xrayvision]

I would say that Lex's boosted immune system is more than likely a result of the meteor shower. I don't know if you could call it a power, but Lex seemed to also buy it. He even said "Maybe I am a freak". His attitude greatly changed after Clark saved him and told him about Chloe's theory on Lex being affected by the meteors.

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Now, for temporary freaks, which I consider as people who are not mutants but have temporary powers by juicing up on kryptonite and only have powers when kryptonite is in their system---they have been able to hurt Clark. Examples of this include Wade Mahaney, Scott Bowman & Derek Fox in Kinetic. If I remember correctly, Eric Marsh & his friends were also like this. These people caused Clark to get sick just by standing next to him when kryptonite was in their system (in the tattoos of Wade, Derek & Scott). Earl Jenkins was also like this.
this kinda goes against what i got from watching "truth"...they should kryptonite in chloe's body, and even had a s/e graphic of little kryptonite particles leaving her mouth when she talked to people, as a means of brain control, but when she talked to clark he didn't get sick...

[xrayvision]

Was Levitas kryptonite or kryptonite-based? I know it was green. But I don't think they ever officially said it. It also had an antidote which doesn't really make sense for something radiation based like kryptonite. Then again, the death serum in Void also had an antidote or re-animator. Maybe Levitas was some sort of bacteria that was grown using kryptonite but did not have kryptonite's effects on Clark.

[clanafanforever]

i don't know if he is a meteor freak or not but to me he is just a freak

[MidgardDragon]

Yes Lex is a meteor freak as far as we know based on past information. But Moira didn't know that and she didn't have an object of Lex's to control, so it really doesn't matter either way.

[xrayvision]

^^In a way she did have an object of his, as he did own the entire building she was in. But I guess it has to be something personal.

[skully]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Was Levitas kryptonite or kryptonite-based? I know it was green. But I don't think they ever officially said it. It also had an antidote which doesn't really make sense for something radiation based like kryptonite. Then again, the death serum in Void also had an antidote or re-animator. Maybe Levitas was some sort of bacteria that was grown using kryptonite but did not have kryptonite's effects on Clark. While the words "meteor rock" or "kryptonite" where not mentioned in the episode in relation to Levitas, the green gas and the green molecules with hooks (as you suggest, perhaps some sort of bacteria) that Chloe exhaled and Mrs Taylor inhaled, certainly suggest that Levitas was kryptonite-based. "Truth" gave the term "bad breath" a whole new meaning!!!

[redkrypclark]

the only thing that comes to mind is how much clark has changed from season 1. his hands use to change colors and veins would show but now he just drops like a rock. i think the whole situation is a little premature by the writers not throughly thinking about these sorts of things. i think we all can agree based on previous episodes that lex is a meteor freak and the only reason he was not controlled is because chloes mom didnt know or have a possesion of lex's.

[AngelFury]

I seem to recall Lex getting a cut on his hand and him quickly hiding the fact that it healed almost instantly in one episode. (cant remember which) That alone to me proves there is "supernatural" healing even if it isnt meteor inspired.

[xrayvision]

That was after Milton Fine injected him with that serum. Supposedly, the removal of Zod reverted that. But that's really a plothole since the crystal that removed Zod from Lex could only remove phantoms and shouldn't have done anything with the powers he was given after he was abducted or the healing powers he got from that serum. He had those before he was possessed by Zod and should have had them after Zod left too.

[Iluvgreen]

Ya he's a metior freak. Plus Moriadidn't have any of his belongings, but thats already been said.

[redeem147]

I was thinking about that too. Maybe that's why he's so obsessed with them.

Or maybe he's just in denial.

I'm also wondering why Clark doesn't feel sick around meteor freaks with kryptonite in their blood and bones, but I guess that's for another thread :)

[LeeHounshell]

so now is everybody a meteorfreak?

[Bumperjeep]

See... this is another contiunity problem. they brought the lex meteor freak plot up and never expanded upon it. I haven't heard that staement in years, but it ways always lingering in the back of my head.

[msleggie]

If it's possible that Chloe is a freak, then it's possible that Lex is a freak b/c they both have some very weird qualities.

[Seryna]

Originally posted by blaze88
I don't think Tobias ever scanned Lex..... I don't recall him ever having his glasses off around Lex, he and Lex didnt' even interact that much in the episode (was mostly the doctor working for Lex).

Lex is also careful- with the hypno-girl, Lex arranged to never meet her in person until she KO'd his security force.

Since Tobias is KO-less, I assume Lex covered his tracks. Perhaps thats where his obsession with 33.1 one stemmed from- no one expects the king of torturing Krypto freaks to be a Krpto-freak- unless you actually expect the show to have continuity.

*remembers Promise and winces*

Well, we remember.

[SupeK]

Lex's bald head makes it obvious that he has been affected by meteors. It wouldn't be a stretch for Moira to think he is a meteor freak. Maybe she wasn't sure, and was too scared of Lex to try. If she tried to control him and he couldn't be controlled that would mean big trouble for her.

I'm sure Lex is a meteor freak. He has been shot, strangled, set on fire, drowned, electrocuted, stabbed, poisoned - and yet he's still as healthy and handsome as the day before.

[msleggie]

All that and the fact that he had asma as a kid and now he doesn't has to be factored into that to.

[redeem147]

It's obvious that the meteor affected Lex - his hair fell out and never grew back.

Though as meteor freak powers go, that rates pretty low on the list :)

[Tacosupes]

Yeah in Extinction it was established he's a minor freak,just with goodhealth. and meteor-induced baldness lets not forget (PILOT) . So thats why hes madat freaks, they remind him of his cueball nogin.
Anyway he's a self hating freak,like Sebastion Shaw in X_mEN.

[redeem147]

I'm just watching Craving, where he explains to the doctor (the guy from Canadian show Jeff Ltd) that he never gets sick, doesn't have allergies, doesn't have asthma anymore etc.