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Ginx

04-19-2007, 08:32 PM

I had to go with 'It felt like a cop out that Moira returned to her catatonic state'

She could have at least been around for a few episodes before she slipped back away - it was just a little sad that Chloe got to meet up with her then had to watch her slip back away again. Too soon. But I guess that was the point wasn't it :/

Guess I was the only one who dug the truck product placement - something about guys that drive trucks lol......*sigh* love 'em.

Originally posted by xrayvision
The thing I hated most about this episode was its subject matter. Since episode 601 (Zod), only Reunion & Rage showed Lionel reading Kryptonian symbols. But since Zod, nothing other than he could read these symbols has been revealed. When is something going to be shown about the most interesting arc of the season? 17 episodes later, and we still have not even a single lead on what he's up to.

I'm sure it's coming. I hope.

Chlarkerlover

04-19-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by AndiGirl
I actually didn't like the Lana scene...strangley enough, I felt bad for her! haha. That doctor had some nerve..she just lost her baby, and he shouldn't have assumed it was something she did. He just ripped her a new one....uncalled for.

i also wish there was more time between Chloe and her mom...not the last few minutes. And...it drove me CRAZY not knowing what exactly Clark said to Chloe's mom about her! haha

I felt bad for lana too. It must suck to be her right now.

I hated that too, but for a differant reason. You see, I don't think he did tell her mom those things. I don't know why, I just don't, I think he was lying, but it was the most whitest lie they have ever told, seeing as he did that so chloe would feel better. I hated it, but it sure was sweet of him.

Deana

04-19-2007, 08:53 PM

I hated that after watching the greatness of Combat, and having to wait weeks. We got this.

aqgalaxy

04-19-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
I was totally confused about Moira's and Chloe's history. What is the story there? This episode explained nothing in that regard.

Could be they wanted to give her a reason to come back?

meggy

04-19-2007, 08:56 PM

i didnt like the questionable music in the background. it annoyed me

Ginx

04-19-2007, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by meggy
i didnt like the questionable music in the background. it annoyed me

I didn't notice the music at all except for when Chloe had the gun pointed at Lex - other than that - I was into the show....

Runestone

04-19-2007, 09:26 PM

Lana didn't realise that she wasn't actually pregnant after, what was it, five months? She wasn't showing and Lex was involved. Lana's so suspicious of everyone, you'd think she MIGHT have put two and two together.

BadToad

04-19-2007, 09:28 PM

Definitely the screwed up continuity of Chloe's backstory was the worst offense of this episode, IMO

And lack of Shelby. :(

Nospam

04-19-2007, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Could be they wanted to give her a reason to come back?

That's fine and I can understand the catatonic state, but this episode seemed to muddy their history more than clarify it.

StrippedSmile

04-19-2007, 10:14 PM

Little Chloe didn't resemble big Chloe very well, but that's not a big deal. The back story was pretty bad, too, like most said.

Who

04-19-2007, 10:22 PM

Didn't hate anything about the episode... But then again... Where the hell was Shelby?

meggy

04-19-2007, 10:23 PM

i knew Gabe wouldnt be in this episode...but..geez.....is anyone gonna tell him what's going on in his daughter's life????

svfan50

04-19-2007, 10:55 PM

Yeahh...I didnt hate anything about the episode..I loved it!!!!! Just no Shelby!! :(

elway

04-19-2007, 10:59 PM

I got to go with all of the above. As perdicted by seeing the directors cut , this ep was and did suck hard.

MsSullivan

04-19-2007, 11:38 PM

I disliked Lexana.

All about Clark

04-19-2007, 11:39 PM

I hated that Clark didn't try to toss the meteor rock, poorly placed as well. He was able to toss those rocks in Season 1 and now he can't even move his arm, lame.

I'm not bothered about Moira's hair color because women change their hair color all of the time. And we know Chloe colors hers too.

The only part about the backstory that bothered me, is first it was 5 years she left, then 12 years old, and now the beginning of this ep seemed to have her somewhere in between those ages.

maryjanewatson

04-20-2007, 01:00 AM

the once again changing of the age chloe was when her mom left. first it was 5, then it was 12, now it's 8?

omigosh, PTB, make up your freaking mind! or atleast do like 3 minutes of research of your own show so you stop making these mistakes!

Superman86

04-20-2007, 01:15 AM

A couple of issues, did Oliver buy Clark that truck? Clark wouldn't accept gives from Lex but will from Oliver? Looks like we have a new relationship, Cliver. Another issue is how Clark and Chloe just show up at the crime scene and no one even notices them standing there or that Clark tresspassed through some farmer's field with his truck. Doesn't he know farmers feed cities? :p Also how the hell does someone like Gabe end up with Moira? Since when did Clark move into the clock tower? Where was Shelby? Why was the mental institution so damn fancy looking on the inside? When did Chloe inherit Wonder Woman's strength to kick those security guard's ass? What happend to the FOTW with the ghost whip? Was that FOTW's ghost whip a tribute to WW? Why does Lex have just a profile of Moira on his jump drive? Thats kind of a waste of memory. Why does the Daily Planet have soo many damn lights on the roof? Shouldn't they conserve power after the events of Dark Thursday? When did Lex finall grow a pair? Why did Moira look like she was flying an invisable plane at the end in the Clock Tower? Anyways thats enough questions for one day.

coco#1

04-20-2007, 03:07 AM

Shelby deservs to be in more episodes.Shelby lights up the screen and is a great addition to any scene.I love when Shelby is on screen and obviously other people feel the same weay too

Fillesmall

04-20-2007, 04:50 AM

I didn't really hate anything in this episode..

InLove_with_Chloe

04-20-2007, 05:44 AM

The Chlark got crapped on. I'd rather see no Chlark at all than them just using each other....

Jack-El49

04-20-2007, 05:55 AM

I thought this was a crappy episode. It was filler and nothing else. For all the reasons above, minus the truck endorsement (I guess it was okay that Chloe said, "Take my Yaris" earlier this year because, of course, it was Chloe) I thought this was a lame and pointless episode. Even the acting was sucky from AM and LC - the emotions were hardly believable...which is hard to even utter about AM. Lana was dumped on by the doctor and treated like crap - that was the only part of the episode that advanced the story arc at all - and that was pretty callous.

Fillesmall

04-20-2007, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
The Chlark got crapped on. I'd rather see no Chlark at all than them just using each other....

That's what friends do, help eachother :P

Liriel

04-20-2007, 07:05 AM

I thought this was a good ep. The characerization was good. But the continuity was crap and plotholes were definitely present. I wish they'd told us how Moira got powers. I wish we knew how/when Moira became catatonic (she was fine with little Chloe). I wish Gabe had seemed to be home instead of Moira and her "companions" seemingly leaving the child home alone (or Gabe just not caring enough to come out of the other room).

I wish they be consistent on when Mom left. I wish they'd kept the waffle story. I wish they remembered Lex was a meteor-freak.

Detorio

04-20-2007, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Nospam
I was totally confused about Moira's and Chloe's history. What is the story there? This episode explained nothing in that regard.

Aye! Couldnt have said it better myself

blaze88

04-20-2007, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Jack-El49
I thought this was a crappy episode. It was filler and nothing else. For all the reasons above, minus the truck endorsement (I guess it was okay that Chloe said, "Take my Yaris" earlier this year because, of course, it was Chloe) I thought this was a lame and pointless episode. Even the acting was sucky from AM and LC - the emotions were hardly believable...which is hard to even utter about AM. Lana was dumped on by the doctor and treated like crap - that was the only part of the episode that advanced the story arc at all - and that was pretty callous.

I completely Agree i just wasn't buying the AM LC scenes. They were terrible IMO (partly just because of weak dialogue and not enough fleshing out of their relationship and back story and explanation and stuff). The whole ep did feel like a filler, which is a kinda dumb way to break the hiatus. The way it was all put together was sloppy and contrived I thought. The truck endorsement was just lol. Since when can Clark afford a nice new truck.... what ever happened to their old junky red one anyways.....

margroks

04-20-2007, 08:22 AM

I think we are supposed to assume Moira can alter memories and that's why Chloe didn't recall what she had done while under Moirs'a control. Chloe misremembered the hand washing incident, after all. That would also explain why her earlier recounting of coming downstairs and seeing her dad burn pancakes wasn't shown; maybe that was an altered memory, as well. Hey, I am reaching here becasue I always thought that was cute. Also, they should have explained the Moira haircolor difference. They should either have made Moira's hair color blond or turned it back to blond when she became catatonic again, which, by the way, was kinda shaky as an ending and they could have done better. I hope this means we will see Moira again.

Also no mention of the meteor shower which would have been really cool.

InLove_with_Chloe

04-20-2007, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by margroks
They should either have made Moira's hair color blond or turned it back to blond when she became catatonic again, which, by the way, was kinda shaky as an ending and they could have done better.
I agree. Moira was like: "....OK, I'm going catatonic now, bye-bye everyone....".
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blaze88

04-20-2007, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I agree. Moira was like: "....OK, I'm going catatonic now, bye-bye everyone....".
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yea that ending was pretty crappy lol. They could have made it better, but I think i'll have to rewatch the episode sometime soon.

ginnyfan

04-20-2007, 09:05 AM

Kinda started up slow. There were chunks of time in the episode where I was kind of bored. There were some REALLY BAD one liners. LOL! :rotfl: They funked up Chloe's backstory... but I was expecting it to be a lot worse than it was. *shrug*

Peat Moss

04-20-2007, 09:29 AM

xrayvision--do you just hate any episode without Lionel? He is a minor character this season--and one made up by the writers. They can't always have him. I would like to see a little more of him though.

svfan50

04-20-2007, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Kinda started up slow. There were chunks of time in the episode where I was kind of bored. There were some REALLY BAD one liners. LOL! :rotfl: They funked up Chloe's backstory... but I was expecting it to be a lot worse than it was. *shrug*

i know..thats the best thing to do...expect the worseeee!!!!!!

although..i am expecting a lot from Nemisis!!

GooN

04-20-2007, 09:49 AM

i hated that i didn't, and still don't know what Progeny means =/

RedKRules

04-20-2007, 12:20 PM

No Shelby .... :mad: ....whyyyy?? I miss him :(

All about Clark

04-20-2007, 12:30 PM

I honestly don't understand the problem with the truck. They have Martha's senator income plus the farm income and we all know their old trucks needed replacing. I think it was about time.

Bookwrm17

04-20-2007, 01:22 PM

I hated what they did with Chloe's back story, and the lack of continuity was bad. I was waiting for Moira to controll Lex, since he is supposed to be a freak, but that never happened. And one other little thing that bugged me: when Chloe and Clark are at the crash site, and Chloe says something like "That guy just pulled out his phone, time to turn up those super ears," I was like, um, is Clark blind or just braindead that he needs Chloe to tell him that?

sithius

04-20-2007, 01:27 PM

I think the main weakness with that is that Clark has super hearing 24/7. He doesn't need to 'tune in'. He would have heard it all the same.

To quote SR :"I hear everything"

It even subtly pointed it out later in the episode when Clark heard Chloe shouting out from god knows where and came to her.

redraven

04-20-2007, 02:27 PM

This episode was so BORING! Seriously! Total snoozefest...and a confusing snoozefest at that. :\

I picked all of the choices except for, 'Lana was relegated to a couple of scenes.' and 'Why did Clark hesitate before saving Lex? Not at all like Superman.' (That was actually one of my favorite parts of the episode! :D

luvgabe

04-20-2007, 02:33 PM

I was quite disappointed with this episode, even though I'm a huge Smallville fan. I did not like the background music, & the curt way Chloe treated Clark, ordering him around like some flunkie.

This episode also seems to be short on budget, populated with only a few characters. Missing in action are Lionel Luthor, Lois Lane, Jimmy, and of course Shelby. Ever since Jonathan Kent died, when we see Clark Kent in the farm, there's an overwhelming feeling of emptiness, especially with Martha frequently gone.

I would like to see more plot development on Jor-El tutoring Clark on his mission, i.e., some real movement of Clark's trajectory toward finally becoming Superman.

foreversmallville

04-20-2007, 03:29 PM

I was very disappointed with the creative writing team of Smallville concerning the TWISTS & TURNS of Lana's Baby Horror!!!! I mean anyone on this earth could write that Lana was actually never pregnant!!!! I would have thought the Smallville writers could have come up with something a little better than that!!!

myankskent

04-20-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by foreversmallville
I was very disappointed with the creative writing team of Smallville concerning the TWISTS & TURNS of Lana's Baby Horror!!!! I mean anyone on this earth could write that Lana was actually never pregnant!!!! I would have thought the Smallville writers could have come up with something a little better than that!!!

I think that the whole concept of Lana getting involved romantically with Lex in the first place was awful writing and their entire relationship was just not believable to me. As a result, I didn't really expect much creativity with this baby storyline. I was never a fan of it to begin with.

foreversmallville

04-20-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I think that the whole concept of Lana getting involved romantically with Lex in the first place was awful writing and their entire relationship was just not believable to me. As a result, I didn't really expect much creativity with this baby storyline. I was never a fan of it to begin with.

I agree...I'm not a fan of Lana marrying Lex or the Baby storyline either...but since the Smallville writers went ahead with such a storyline they could have come up with something a little better than what they came up with. I was at least expecting some twists and turns...like they promised...that would make Lana hate Lex for life. This of course will make Lana want to be rid of Lex...but it isn't something that will cause a deep hatred for him.

Fillesmall

04-20-2007, 03:46 PM

agreed, Lexana was terrible writing, and somehow it destroyed abit of the shows charm.

DARKRAGE

04-20-2007, 06:43 PM

I am just glad Smallville is back

maryjanewatson

04-20-2007, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I think that the whole concept of Lana getting involved romantically with Lex in the first place was awful writing and their entire relationship was just not believable to me. As a result, I didn't really expect much creativity with this baby storyline. I was never a fan of it to begin with. I completely agree. I have always thought that it was the dumbest story line and totally unbelievable.

Originally posted by Fillesmall
agreed, Lexana was terrible writing, and somehow it destroyed abit of the shows charm.
I completely agree with that also. It did kind of ruin the show for me. It is actually what caused me to hate lana so much. I mean, she always kind of got on my nerves, but i still liked her and always rooted for her and clark. but when i saw her kiss lex for the first time, it filled me with a wild hatred for her. I hate her so much, and she doesn't deserve clark. Clark can do so much better than her.

Pal-El

04-20-2007, 10:08 PM

I vote 1, 2, 5, 7 & 8.

And I disliked Lynda Carter/Moira. I thought her acting was simply terrible. The entire episode was terrible for me.

Its down there with Wither for worst episode of the season.

boingo

04-20-2007, 11:00 PM

There were several things I disliked about this episode.....but since I can only pick one from the poll, I went with the one that caught me completely off guard....and that was the out of line comments made by the Doctor towards Lana....I swear I wanted to reach into my tv screen and slap the guy.

Originally posted by foreversmallville
This of course will make Lana want to be rid of Lex...but it isn't something that will cause a deep hatred for him.

I disagree....I can definately see Lana develope "deep hatred" towards Lex after all of this...Being decieved in such a manner...Having her body be violated by unknowingly ingesting artificial hormones...Suffering through all of the pains of that medication (headaches/nausia/fainting spells)....Going through the horrible trauma of thinking she miscarried...The tremendous amount of emotional pain, grief, and guilt that comes with the thought of losing a child....only to discover that EVERYTHING was one giant LIE!!!!!!!

These acts alone are more than enough for anyone to feel some serious "deep hatred" imo. I would be surprised and disappointed if it isn't the case (if the writers easily dismiss these events)

Nospam

04-20-2007, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by boingo
There were several things I disliked about this episode.....but since I can only pick one from the poll, I went with the one that caught me completely off guard....and that was the out of line comments made by the Doctor towards Lana....I swear I wanted to reach into my tv screen and slap the guy.

Uh, the poll was MULTIPLE CHOICE. You could have picked one or as many as you liked. That's what the square check boxes mean. If the poll choices are radio buttons (round button), then it is a single choice only poll.

Mr. Clark Kent27

04-20-2007, 11:25 PM

Well. Toyota cars. And Moria Sulvan, black hair and not blond hair. They could have gaven her a wig. Come on.

boingo

04-20-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Nospam

Uh, the poll was MULTIPLE CHOICE. You could have picked one or as many as you liked. That's what the square check boxes mean. If the poll choices are radio buttons (round button), they it is a single choice only poll. [/B]

Darn :lol: Thanks.

LaraofKrypton

04-21-2007, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by DARKRAGE
I am just glad Smallville is back

Me too! :D My peeve with this episode has to be the fact that the source of Moira and Chloe's meteor infection was never even speculated on...were they in Smallville during the meteor shower or something? Why wouldn't Chloe know about that? I hope it's because they are saving that for another show.

skully

04-21-2007, 01:04 AM

While I rarely really hate anything that happens on SV, I was a bit annoyed with the total botching of continuity in Chloe's previously mentioned past. xrayvision posted an excellent summary (can't remember which thread) of how the writers have been too lazy to get Chloe's history (pre SV High) and when her Mom left home consistent.

Fillesmall

04-21-2007, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
I completely agree. I have always thought that it was the dumbest story line and totally unbelievable.

I completely agree with that also. It did kind of ruin the show for me. It is actually what caused me to hate lana so much. I mean, she always kind of got on my nerves, but i still liked her and always rooted for her and clark. but when i saw her kiss lex for the first time, it filled me with a wild hatred for her. I hate her so much, and she doesn't deserve clark. Clark can do so much better than her.

Well, I dont hate Lana, I hate Lexana, Lana should still be with Clark :P

wilder

04-21-2007, 06:04 AM

I hate Lex. Bastard! How he could...:D (Mike was awsome. I really started hate Lex):)

do3mire

04-21-2007, 09:53 PM

Just caught Progeny today. What a god awful show? Can you believe the dialog? Chloe and Moira, Chloe and Clark, yuck!! The only scene with a decent dialog was Chloe and Lex at the end.

StrippedSmile
Little Chloe didn't resemble big Chloe very well, but that's not a big deal.

Actually, I liked little Chloe. I was impressed by the actor who played her. Her delivery sounded so much like our big Chloe.

vicar

04-22-2007, 09:53 AM

I though Moira's power was done terribly. She controls a meteor freak by touching something of that persons. They could of come up with something 10 times better then that.

kiariclois

04-22-2007, 10:01 AM

Hate? Simple...

Hate the way Chloe treated Clark...

wilder

04-22-2007, 11:06 AM

You mean that she use green meteor or that she treat him like her own army?

xrayvision

04-22-2007, 01:18 PM

I was very turned off by the latter (how she thinks he is her personal army). I know he wouldn't have gone for it. But then again, it's good to show that she has flaws and why Clark is so special compared to the rest.

Welling_is_pretty

04-22-2007, 06:51 PM

I had to vote for so many of these I thought I'd burn out my mouse!

It felt like a cop out that Moira returned to her catatonic state.

This episode didn't explain anything and only confused Chloe and Moira's backstory.

The lack of continuity. Why was Moira's hair color different, for example?

Why did Clark hesitate before saving Lex? Not at all like Superman.

No Shelby, as usual.
I voted for all of these.

President_Luthor

04-23-2007, 07:00 AM

I don't think I'd classify the beef I had with this ep. as something I'd hate -- only that it's a recurring issue I've had with Clark's character in general and his whole "heroic" evolution in particular.

It's when Clark has that epiphany moment at the end of the episode when he realizes that, yeah, Lex is a threat and it probably means war. I suppose we were all supposed to shudder at that moment because Clark declared war on Lex Luthor. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, Clark has had more than SIX YEARS to witness Lex (and Lionel's) machinations and it took Lex's par-for-the-course threat against Chloe to wake him up and realize that Lex is a danger and must be stopped? Naturally, Lana Luthor (aka Lang ;) ) is the excuse for him to hold back once again. I had the same feeling when he declared to Martha that he's not going to run from his destiny any longer. Hello -- Jor-El's been prodding you towards it for years? No wonder Raya was disgusted when he told her he hadn't started his training. He's the johnny-come-lately of sticking with the hero-training program. How much more of his soul does he have to search to figure it all out?

He's become little more than a bloodhound/muscle for one of the few people to actually take the initiative, which is Chloe. Let the woman rest her mind - she can't be expected to think/plan/act for Clark all the time. When's the 'greatest superhero ever' going to earn that moniker? I think that after six years of Clark finding his way towards his destiny (or should I say "stumbling"?), he should step up to the plate. Lana's going to let her sham marriage to Lex be the death of her to protect him ... and he's not quite prepared to declare open, unrestricted war on Lex just yet?

In this ep., it's not entirely his fault because this was needed to establish some closure for Chloe and her mom, hence his secondary "go-stop-the-bad-guys, Clarkie" role. The irony is that this is his role even in episodes when he should be front and centre. Let Kal-El think.

On another note, I noticed another seed of discontent that could emerge between Chloe and Jimmy, something about Clark having the chance to meet Moira but Jimmy either not having the chance (or being given the chance)? I don't know if it'll come up on-screen, but how would Jimmy react if he found out that it was Clark -not him - that actually had that opportunity?

The episode was entertaining -- except for that supposedly dramatc moment when Clark declared "war" on Lex ... finally ... at long last. Welcome to the party, Clark, but Ollie Queen's been here for a year and he's fighting that battle as we speak, thank you very much.

Kryptonian-Ronin

04-23-2007, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by President_Luthor
I don't think I'd classify the beef I had with this ep. as something I'd hate -- only that it's a recurring issue I've had with Clark's character in general and his whole "heroic" evolution in particular.

It's when Clark has that epiphany moment at the end of the episode when he realizes that, yeah, Lex is a threat and it probably means war. I suppose we were all supposed to shudder at that moment because Clark declared war on Lex Luthor. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, Clark has had more than SIX YEARS to witness Lex (and Lionel's) machinations and it took Lex's par-for-the-course threat against Chloe to wake him up and realize that Lex is a danger and must be stopped? Naturally, Lana Luthor (aka Lang ;) ) is the excuse for him to hold back once again. I had the same feeling when he declared to Martha that he's not going to run from his destiny any longer. Hello -- Jor-El's been prodding you towards it for years? No wonder Raya was disgusted when he told her he hadn't started his training. He's the johnny-come-lately of sticking with the hero-training program. How much more of his soul does he have to search to figure it all out?

He's become little more than a bloodhound/muscle for one of the few people to actually take the initiative, which is Chloe. Let the woman rest her mind - she can't be expected to think/plan/act for Clark all the time. When's the 'greatest superhero ever' going to earn that moniker? I think that after six years of Clark finding his way towards his destiny (or should I say "stumbling"?), he should step up to the plate. Lana's going to let her sham marriage to Lex be the death of her to protect him ... and he's not quite prepared to declare open, unrestricted war on Lex just yet?

In this ep., it's not entirely his fault because this was needed to establish some closure for Chloe and her mom, hence his secondary "go-stop-the-bad-guys, Clarkie" role. The irony is that this is his role even in episodes when he should be front and centre. Let Kal-El think.

On another note, I noticed another seed of discontent that could emerge between Chloe and Jimmy, something about Clark having the chance to meet Moira but Jimmy either not having the chance (or being given the chance)? I don't know if it'll come up on-screen, but how would Jimmy react if he found out that it was Clark -not him - that actually had that opportunity?

The episode was entertaining -- except for that supposedly dramatc moment when Clark declared "war" on Lex ... finally ... at long last. Welcome to the party, Clark, but Ollie Queen's been here for a year and he's fighting that battle as we speak, thank you very much.

Indeed, didn't Oliver say much the same thing before to Clark?
The writers do like to stretch things out a bit.

Fly by guy

04-23-2007, 09:12 AM

I need a sheep with a speech impediment. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Shadow116

04-25-2007, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
The thing I hated most about this episode was its subject matter. Since episode 601 (Zod), only Reunion & Rage showed Lionel reading Kryptonian symbols. But since Zod, nothing other than he could read these symbols has been revealed. When is something going to be shown about the most interesting arc of the season? 17 episodes later, and we still have not even a single lead on what he's up to.

If its okay I have a theory :).

I think Lionel is using his new kryptonian knowledge mixed with his cloning technology from S2,some of Clark's blood from S3,or maybe the silver k blood sample Braniac got from Clark in S5 to create Bizarro.

But hey just a theory :).