Used at her disposal...poor Clark.

[Kreukie]

Was it me or did Chloe described Clark as a resource she uses at her disposal? :confused:

Clark's head even dropped when she said that... poor guy. :lol:

[Deana]

She says Jump! Clark says How High?

[Lostfan588]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Was it me or did Chloe described Clark as a resource she uses at her disposal? :confused:

Clark's head even dropped when she said that... poor guy. :lol:


NO no no you see, Clark is her self described "personal bombsquad!" :p This eppy was great!!!! CHLEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I think it's obvious who's really the sidekick. Clark works for Chloe.

[alienkinfolk]

Chloe helps Clark be a better super hero right now

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I think it's obvious who's really the sidekick. Clark works for Chloe.

Was there ever any doubt?:lol:

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Was there ever any doubt?:lol:

That's sad.

[regex_1]

I think she is taking advantage of Clark a little. I don't like it.

[NightwingRobin85]

Well how many times has Clark used Chloe to get what he wants? Payback is a b*tch.

[Kid Collins]

And some people say that Lana hinders Clark from fulfilling his destiny.

:lol:

[ChloeMars]

Uh!! She is totally not taking advantage of him. After all of the things she's done for him? She deserves some perks.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i don't think chloe made it an insult.
i have amazing powers at my disposal.
she also could have meant the Justice league.
if your mom who you have not seen in 12 years is trapped by something, you would pull everything you had to get it.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by Kreukie
That's sad.

Why? Is there a rule that says Chloe has to be the sidekick? Oh yeah, canon, how could I forget?:lol: I was just kidding anyway. :p

[Nospam]

It was a figure of speech. Besides, how many times has Clark simply used Chloe in the past for his own purposes?

They're friends. A team. They trust each other. Do you really think Clark would begrudge helping Chloe, especially regarding the condition of her mother? Besides, Chloe has been helping the JLA and Oliver as Watchtower. You think he wouldn't help either?

Let's get real here.

[redraven]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Was it me or did Chloe described Clark as a resource she uses at her disposal? :confused:

No it wasn't just you, Chloe said that, and I have to say...it annoyed me. It was messed up for her to describe Clark as a 'resource at her disposal' imo. :\

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by redraven
No it wasn't just you, Chloe said that, and I have to say...it annoyed me. It was messed up for her to describe Clark as a 'resource at her disposal' imo. :\

I think that was just Chloespeak since she couldn't come out and say intergalactic traveller with powers that boggle the mind.

[supermanfan04]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
Chloe helps Clark be a better super hero right now

yeah right...chloe holds clark back way too much. he relies on her too often. i'll admit he's been stepping it up lately, but he's gotta learn to drop the crutch!

[Deana]

Oh yeah, can you imagine if it was Lois or Lana who put that kryptonite on Clark?

He could have died? Betrayer Die!

[RobynAdele0406]

I agree with Nospam. Come on, they're each other's best friend. They help each other, no matter what.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by NightwingRobin85
Well how many times has Clark used Chloe to get what he wants? Payback is a b*tch.

When has Clark ever said to anyone that Chloe was his resource at his disposal? :confused:

So I don't understand what you mean by pay back, because Chloe uses Clark as much as he uses her... and it's not like Chloe never ever benefited from all these tips Clark had her running after back in high school.

She used all of them for stories.

[redraven]

Originally posted by Deana
Oh yeah, can you imagine if it was Lois or Lana who put that kryptonite on Clark?

He could have died? Betrayer Die!

Yeah...but it was Chloe who did that. So...no harm done. :rolleyes:

[jazel]

Clark looked really upset and hurt, she more or less admitted using him, which isn't cool.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Deana
Oh yeah, can you imagine if it was Lois or Lana who put that kryptonite on Clark?


You know. :p

[chlarkfan333]

Yeah well, Lois and Lana aren't Clark's best friends, ya know?;) :p

[RobynAdele0406]

Originally posted by redraven
Yeah...but it was Chloe who did that. So...no harm done. :rolleyes:

I thought it was made clear that the people Chloe's mom controlled didn't really know what they were doing at the time that they were doing it. Kinda like Season 1 "Hug"... they were being controlled.

[savingpeoplething]

I really LIKED the line about Clark being Chloe's resource.
She called him "amazing" and he didn't seem to mind. He would do anything for her and they both know it.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Kreukie
When has Clark ever said to anyone that Chloe was his resource at his disposal? :confused:

So I don't understand what you mean by pay back, because Chloe uses Clark as much as he uses her... and it's not like Chloe never ever benefited from all these tips Clark had her running after back in high school.

She used all of them for stories.

Wow. That sounds like friendship to me. You scratch me back, I scratch yours.

And it wasn't "Chloe" that used meteor rock to disable Clark. If Lana had acted out of character and done to the same to Clark I wouldn't be blaming her. Christ, every character has done a personality flip-flop/possession at some point.

[Deana]

I guess if she would've locked him in the barn and he got cow exposure it would be a bigger deal.

I mean, it was only kryptonite. The stuff that kills him.

[redraven]

Originally posted by RobynAdele0406
I thought it was made clear that the people Chloe's mom controlled didn't really know what they were doing at the time that they were doing it. Kinda like Season 1 "Hug"... they were being controlled.

Oh I know Chloe was under her mom's control, but if it was Lana...I could only imagine the uproar. :rolleyes:

I remember a while ago people were mad about the part in 'Magnetic' when Lana was holding a gun to Clark. :lol: Which is why I even brought up the whole thing.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Nospam
Wow. That sounds like friendship to me. You scratch me back, I scratch yours.


Why are you quoting me? I didn't say "pay back a b*tch" in reply to why Chloe said what she said.

Clark used Chloe's help to solve things and in return she wrote stories with what Clark gave her.

Hence why I question the "pay back a b*itch" comment. What exactly does Chloe have to throw in Clark's face when they both use each other?

[chlarklove]

What's the big deal here? They each have abilities that the other doesn't and they help each other out when one needs it. Gosh, that sorta sounds like a partnership. :p


Originally posted by Deana
Oh yeah, can you imagine if it was Lois or Lana who put that kryptonite on Clark?

He could have died? Betrayer Die!

Are you serious? Why am I even asking that question... *of course* you're serious. :rolleyes:

Dude, she was being mind controlled by her mother to get out of town any way she could. Clark was in her way, she had to stop him so she could leave. Period. And what's more? She has no recollection what happens after it's done. There you go.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Why are you quoting me? I didn't say "pay back a b*tch" in reply to why Chloe said what she said.

Clark used Chloe's help to solve things and in return she wrote stories with what Clark gave her.

Hence why I question the "pay back a b*itch" comment. What exactly does Chloe have to throw in Clark's face when they both use each other?

Oops. I clicked the quote button. Sorry.

For the record, Lana was awesome this episode. I loved that she stood up for herself.

[maudeline]

It's about time Chloe USE clark loll ....

He always used her for is own personal problems.... cant we reverse the prosess ?

[Deana]

Originally posted by chlarklove
What's the big deal here? They each have abilities that the other doesn't and they help each other out when one needs it. Gosh, that sorta sounds like a partnership. :p



Are you serious? Why am I even asking that question... *of course* you're serious. :rolleyes:

Dude, she was being mind controlled by her mother to get out of town any way she could. Clark was in her way, she had to stop him so she could leave. Period. And what's more? She has no recollection what happens after it's done. There you go. Deana=Girl

No actually I am not serious. Just calling some Kettles and pots black and such...

[SmallvilleMan]

But of course if Lana did that, it would some how be her fault....:rolleyes: *Remembers thrist* Personally, I have no problem with it, but I can just hear the noise here if Lana did this.

[A MAN OF REASON!]

It was taken out of context. She was in an emotional state,and was only saying she has "her army of one" as a resource! Clark understood what was going on. No harm done.

[JTKB44]

Originally posted by Deana
She says Jump! Clark says How High?


lol no no this is better chloe says leap and clark says which tall building lol ;)

[AndiGirl]

I'm not sure I think Chloe used Clark. Her mother was sitting infront of her...getting ready to leave her life again, and Chloe was desperate. Clark could see that....that's why he lowers his head. She was grasping at straws at that point. I think him lowering his head was his way of saying...."Chloe, you have to let her go...you know there is nothing I can do....even with all of my powers." I don't think he was mad at all...if he was mad at anyone it was probably himself for not being able to do more.

[dimeo782002]

i think what chloe said was that she has clark she has called him a hero so many times she is just affectionetly expressing how clark is there for her. clark did seem a little offended but he might worry about being asked to do something he does not agree with clark is very humble and i think he put his head down cause he still has issues with himself and the situation was sad to begin with. i don't think chloe would intentionally use clark they have been friends for a long time they are eachothers side kick.

[aqgalaxy]

Guys

When chloe said that an looked up at him... I think she was expecting Clark to agree with her, and she was looking for hope in his eyes...

I know it seem like she was talking ABOUT Clark BUT Chloe does indeed have stuff at her disposal which is why she is the sidekick to Clark... if anyone knows what Chloe is capable of it would be Clark

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
i don't think chloe made it an insult.
i have amazing powers at my disposal.
she also could have meant the Justice league.
if your mom who you have not seen in 12 years is trapped by something, you would pull everything you had to get it.
I agree,which is why she tells moira to trust her if there is a way she'll find it.Chloe was jus tryin to assure her mom that she doesn't have to giveup and that chloe has help,it wasn't an insult at all

[RPMSDB]

I had a feeling Chloe would catch some crap for that comment.

Anyway, I'm not sure what Clark was thinking when he put his head down. They know each other way too much to be hurt or offended by a comment like that (IMO).

Maybe he did it because he knows there's not much he can do about it. Plus, I think he feels a certain degree of guilt because all of the 'freakish things' that go on in SV go directly back to him.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
But of course if Lana did that, it would some how be her fault....:rolleyes: *Remembers thrist* Personally, I have no problem with it, but I can just hear the noise here if Lana did this.
I wouldn't say that,JK and Pete have done similar things while possess and there was no one to blame.Clark understood this as well,plus chloe doesn't even remember doin this to him.And clark himself before it happens knows moira was tryin to control chloe,he forgives.I wouldn't have blame lana or anyone if in the same situation cause she'd have no control over it.She'd be doin what she was told which was gettin out of town,and the only way to get past clark(Espcially wit him superspeedin in the way)is takin him down.She apologizes no less unlike jk or pete when they do it,so its obvious she's jus followin orders.I dont blame her nor would I blame lana if she did the same

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by JTKB44
lol no no this is better chloe says leap and clark says which tall building lol ;)
:lol:


Originally posted by AndiGirl
I'm not sure I think Chloe used Clark. Her mother was sitting infront of her...getting ready to leave her life again, and Chloe was desperate. Clark could see that....that's why he lowers his head. She was grasping at straws at that point. I think him lowering his head was his way of saying...."Chloe, you have to let her go...you know there is nothing I can do....even with all of my powers." I don't think he was mad at all...if he was mad at anyone it was probably himself for not being able to do more.
I agree,chloe was losin her mother again and was gettin emotional clark recognize that and knew he couldn't do more.He jus like chloe wanted to help but knew they'd have to go to lex for help which wasn't goin to happen.So clark dropped his head cause he knew tho chloe was right about him,it was out of both of their hands/no need to make promises u cant keep.So I agree,if anythin clark was upset he couldn't do more to help


Originally posted by RPMSDB
I had a feeling Chloe would catch some crap for that comment.

Anyway, I'm not sure what Clark was thinking when he put his head down. They know each other way too much to be hurt or offended by a comment like that (IMO).

Maybe he did it because he knows there's not much he can do about it. Plus, I think he feels a certain degree of guilt because all of the 'freakish things' that go on in SV go directly back to him.
that's what I took from his reaction,I mean the scene was sad to begin wit.So clark could have felt bad that he couldn't do more,chloe was lookin for hope when clark already told her moira was on borrow time.The question is now that she's out of lex hands where is goin to stay at,I dont think clark dropped his head cause he was hurt/offended etc...jus felt guilty cause chloe jus got her mom back and was losin her in 24hrs timeframe.Clark is her hero and for once there was nothin he could do,it sort of reminded me of the Ryan epi in s2 when clark couldn't help.

[Absentee]

Awful line.

But either way, she said it and I'm sure there's a reason WHY she said it. Sorry but Superman doesn't need a sidekick....

I've always said it, you want to see Clark move on from Lana? Well, the day you'll see that is the day Chloe no longer becomes Clark's crutch. Both girls are stopping him from becoming the man he's "supposed" to be.

One has his heart, the other his balls. Remove the two and you get Superman. MMMMK.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by Nospam
It was a figure of speech. Besides, how many times has Clark simply used Chloe in the past for his own purposes?

They're friends. A team. They trust each other. Do you really think Clark would begrudge helping Chloe, especially regarding the condition of her mother? Besides, Chloe has been helping the JLA and Oliver as Watchtower. You think he wouldn't help either?

Let's get real here.

*Does a Supernatural impression with Papa Winchester from season 1 finale... in deep low demon-posessed voice*

"To wrongs. Don't make a right." ;)
--------------

I think Clark really owed her some help in return after all she's done for him.

[Chlarkerlover]

well, I hardly seem needed so I'll just say this;

When Clark lowered his head it was probably out of respect, becuse he (and everyone else) knew that these were the last sane moments (for some reason that sounds like a song title,:lol:.) chloe was going to have with her mother.

And your right, Lana would have gotten a lot of crap for this.

[freefall]

Originally posted by Chlarkerlover
well, I hardly seem needed so I'll just say this;

When Clark lowered his head it was probably out of respect, becuse he (and everyone else) knew that these were the last sane moments (for some reason that sounds like a song title,:lol:.) chloe was going to have with her mother.

And your right, Lana would have gotten a lot of crap for this.

I haven't seen the episode yet, but the way you described it as if Clark was at a funeral or something :D

[BWOracle]

Chloe was just trying to assure her mom that she had the resources to fight Lex. She wasn't dissing Clark in any way and Clark didn't seem to mind. He looked down after she said the line not because of what she said but because he knew there was nothing he could do to help her mother.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Nospam
It was a figure of speech. Besides, how many times has Clark simply used Chloe in the past for his own purposes?

They're friends. A team. They trust each other. Do you really think Clark would begrudge helping Chloe, especially regarding the condition of her mother? Besides, Chloe has been helping the JLA and Oliver as Watchtower. You think he wouldn't help either?

Let's get real here.

I agree:). . .It wasn't meant as an insult. . .she was talking about the JL and Clark as a WHOLE, meaning that they could help her, that's all;)


Originally posted by Absentee
Awful line.

But either way, she said it and I'm sure there's a reason WHY she said it. Sorry but Superman doesn't need a sidekick....

I've always said it, you want to see Clark move on from Lana? Well, the day you'll see that is the day Chloe no longer becomes Clark's crutch. Both girls are stopping him from becoming the man he's "supposed" to be.

One has his heart, the other his balls. Remove the two and you get Superman. MMMMK.

Sorry, but I disagree:). . .I mean, I agree that Lana holds Clark back, BUT CHLOE doesn't. . .She helps him and is an invaluable asset to him. . .Clark is learning on his own how to become super; Chloe is just helping him to realize his potential;). . .She has never held him back; instead, she has always been the one to ENCOURAGE him to embrace his heroism and destiny. . .Chloe DOES NOT HOLD CLARK BACK:D

[vikingjedi]

If it wasn't for Chloe, Clark would be sitting in the barn throwing a tennis ball against the wall. She has helped him more than anybody including his father

With what was going on Im surprised Chloe didn't make more of a deal about it. She was basically losing her mom again. If it was my family I would do just about anything to save them. Thats what Chloe was saying, that she had help to save her mom

[whiteflag]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I wouldn't say that,JK and Pete have done similar things while possess and there was no one to blame.Clark understood this as well,plus chloe doesn't even remember doin this to him.And clark himself before it happens knows moira was tryin to control chloe,he forgives.I wouldn't have blame lana or anyone if in the same situation cause she'd have no control over it.She'd be doin what she was told which was gettin out of town,and the only way to get past clark(Espcially wit him superspeedin in the way)is takin him down.She apologizes no less unlike jk or pete when they do it,so its obvious she's jus followin orders.I dont blame her nor would I blame lana if she did the same

You know, Chloe apologizing is one of the things that bother me in the scene. She was controlled, yes, but her apology proves that she knew she was doing something that was dangerous to Clark. She coldly left him there to, potentially, die. Clark being Clark understands and forgives but Chloe's attack certainly has to be upsetting to him. It shows, once again, that he can't trust anyone with his secret, that even his best friends: Chloe, Pete, could use that knowledge eventually against him, under certain circumstances. It was not a matter or just locking someone in a room or even knocking them out for a while: to disable Clark, Chloe endangered Clark's life and her apology proves that she knew it. Mind control or not, that's unsettling.

[umm]

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I think it's obvious who's really the sidekick. Clark works for Chloe.

No surprise really!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

this reminded me of VELOCITY pete demanded that clark slip on a red-k ring to help pete break sum ATM's so that pete could payoff the ppl that were threatenin him for money if pete didnt pay the money the ppl were gonna kill petes family 1st! then go after pete, so ppls lives were on the line but pete still cast up about all the times hes helped clark break into places without carin of the consequences all bcos he was helping clark do the right thing

chloes mother wasnt gonna die no1 was threatening to kill chloe or her mohter wen she made that passive comment

it was still annoyin that she would say that as wot did she expect 24/7-52 week drug stealing from clark the drug only kept her mother stable for 24 hours clark said that to chloe

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I rarely enjoyed the Chlark interaction LESS than in this episode....
I miss S1-S5 Chloe.
:(

[happygolucky]

I think that Chloe was refusing to believe that her mother was going back into her catatonic state. She was desperate and trying everything,Chloe even mentioned making a deal with Lex(first I think). I think that Clark put his head down because he knew that it was hopeless,that nothing was going to bring Moira back and Chloe had to accept it.
Don't forget when Chloe was being controlled she also punched the nurse,beat up a security guard,drove Lex off the road then knocked him out, and shot at Lex. Her mom told her to leave Smallville as fast as she could Chloe obayed that order and when Clark tried to stop her she reacted in the same style as when the nurse tried to stop her,then later the security guards and Lex.I think it was when someone got in her way to stop her she reacted violently.Now if she was in her right mind it would be a whole other story,but I don't hold anybodies reactions against them when they are being controlled.

[Peat Moss]

Originally posted by redraven
Oh I know Chloe was under her mom's control, but if it was Lana...I could only imagine the uproar. :rolleyes:

I remember a while ago people were mad about the part in 'Magnetic' when Lana was holding a gun to Clark. :lol: Which is why I even brought up the whole thing.

Well, in Magnetic she was influenced by him, but not wholly under his control. He was hard to resist but not impossible.

[Liriel]

Originally posted by Nospam
It was a figure of speech. Besides, how many times has Clark simply used Chloe in the past for his own purposes?

They're friends. A team. They trust each other. Do you really think Clark would begrudge helping Chloe, especially regarding the condition of her mother? Besides, Chloe has been helping the JLA and Oliver as Watchtower. You think he wouldn't help either?

Let's get real here. Exactly. She's been his source for tons of info.

This is friendship. It was just an indirect way for Chloe to say that she (through Clark) could help her Mom, and that Mom didn't have to give up.

[margroks]

No, it wasn't. Not only do they both use each other's skills when needed but they are very close. I didn't think Clark was unhappy at that description. She didn't mean it in the sense that Clark is a thing. She meant that Clark is amazing and he'd help her if she needed him.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Was it me or did Chloe described Clark as a resource she uses at her disposal? :confused:

Clark's head even dropped when she said that... poor guy. :lol:

I loved that she said that! It balances them out. Clark has used Chloe lots of times... It's nice to see that the both consider the other a valuable resource. :)

[Bookwrm17]

I don't think it was meant to be an insult, even if it sounded like one. I thought it was just sloppy writing. It would have been better if she'd said she had "resources and powerful friends," as corny as that sounds. It would have fit in perfectly with the rest of the corniness of this episode.

[RedKRules]

Come on !! Give me a break .........howwwww many countless times Clark has used Chloe as his side kick ??? :rolleyes: ...

[svsabbiesv]

ok i can see it both ways, i can see how we can reference her by saying her resources as a way of using Clark and his abilities, but you can also see it as her resources, are cracking down and doing every illegal thing to help her mom, I mean we all kno Clark thanks her for her detective ways which are not always legit, i mean breakin into luthorcorp laptops etc, but I think Clark might have wanted to her not go that extra step of hurting herself etc. and maybe Clark was like dang, and then i'll have save you a** again lol you never kno :lol:

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by Kreukie
When has Clark ever said to anyone that Chloe was his resource at his disposal? :confused:

So I don't understand what you mean by pay back, because Chloe uses Clark as much as he uses her... and it's not like Chloe never ever benefited from all these tips Clark had her running after back in high school.

She used all of them for stories.

Um everytime he needs some research, he like oh don't worry I'll get Chloe to search this or that.

[RedKRules]

That´s true ......but I think it is called Friendship with benefits ......:lol: don´t get me wrong I mean ..... He helps her ...she helps him ..........but the important thing is that they respect and care about each other.

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by RedKRules
That´s true ......but I think it is called Friendship with benefits ......:lol: don´t get me wrong I mean ..... He helps her ...she helps him ..........but the important thing is that they respect and care about each other.

Great Point.:D

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

I'm not sure about that line either I think it was a way to show that Chloe trusts Clark's is completely devoted to help her because he had said so and he bowed his head because he knew this was beyond his reach. But again they did make Chloe look like Clark was at the snip of his finger wich I didn't like but again there has been a while since we had seen bitc* Chloe so I can't really complain.

[umm]

Even if Chloe wasn't controlled by her mom, so what if she uses Clark from time to time! She has earned it! How many times has she helped him? And I am not saying that that street doesn't go both ways, he has helped her too, that's what their relationship is about! Best friends helping each other, so stop making such a big deal out of Chloe's comment already!

[foreversmallville]

I like Chloe...but I even noticed that she seems to use him whenever she wants. Maybe the writers are trying some role reversal here Chloe will be the needy one...and Lana will become more independent.

[RedKRules]

I hope they DON´T ........no need for another needy character .....heyyy I see Lana is more independent now ...even when Clark tries his hero thing on her .... :lol: ......

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by foreversmallville
I like Chloe...but I even noticed that she seems to use him whenever she wants. Maybe the writers are trying some role reversal here Chloe will be the needy one...and Lana will become more independent.

I don't think so they had her taking out that guy on the floor while he took Lana to the hospital.

[Tia]

Really I can't believe she said that, what a meany

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
But of course if Lana did that, it would some how be her fault....:rolleyes: *Remembers thrist* Personally, I have no problem with it, but I can just hear the noise here if Lana did this. I feel the same way. I can be generous and cut Chloe some slack given that she was mind-whamied, her mom gave vague instructions and the writers of this show often use the most controversial statements (i.e. "resources at her own disposal"). I just think that in general, the same generosity is not extended to Lana and Lois when TPTB make them do OOC stuff and write controversial statements for them to say. Just an observation.


Yeah well, Lois and Lana aren't Clark's best friends, ya know? that came off kinda funny :lol: Theres' nothing like being put in mortal danger by those nearest and dearest to you? :lol: Maybe this is why Clex and Lex's betrayal of their friendship is so compelling? :\

I'd hate to think that being best friends gives people the right/power/privilege to put anyone's life in mortal danger, especially if said person put in mortal danger was not posing a threat.

[Mischael12]

I love how every body is all like

"he owe's her" she's his friend, he doesn't owe her anything. You owe people you don't know; your friends you help out simply because they are your friends, you shouldn't expect some sort of perk from it.

Personally I don't think resources was the right term to use, she could have said friends.

[freefall]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
I feel the same way. I can be generous and cut Chloe some slack given that she was mind-whamied, her mom gave vague instructions and the writers of this show often use the most controversial statements (i.e. "resources at her own disposal"). I just think that in general, the same generosity is not extended to Lana and Lois when TPTB make them do OOC stuff and write controversial statements for them to say. Just an observation.

Being Chloe Sullivan does indeed give you the privilege to get away with controversial statements and actions. :lol:

The way she turned to look at Clark after describing him as a resource, and Clark looking down pretty much an indication of how he feels towards her remark.

[Ania]

I found it cute. (I try not to remember she does it all the time)

[DARKRAGE]

Clark was like "Wha'choo talkin' 'bout Chloe?":lol:

[meteor_phreak]

after looking at chloe, clark decided to follow the words of bill withers from his song "use me"...

My friends feel it's their appointed duty
They keep trying to tell me all you want to do is use me
But my answer yeah to all that use me stuff
Is I wanna spread the news that if it feels this good getting used
Oh you just keep on using me until you use me up
Until you use me up

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by DARKRAGE
Clark was like "Wha'choo talkin' 'bout Chloe?":lol:

He was more like "so this is what it feels like being used." ;)

Seriously Clark was just not used to be used like Chloe is. I don't
get why people are getting upset. Clark always volunteers Chloe's resources to others and just assumes she will do. It's his turn. And I'm sure Clark would do what ever can to help Chloe and her mom if he could and if it was the right thing to do. But at this point it wasn't because Moira didn't want to be used as a weapon.

[freefall]

But did he ever described her as a "resource" in these cases? Like in Justice, he definitely referred her to the JL as "someone who could help". As far as I can remember, Clark has never referred her other than his friend.

If Chloe has problems and wanted him to know the way he often treated her like his personal search engine (like in Rush) or his sounding board, then she should address that to him personally. Not saying something like that to someone else.

I'm not really going to rip her apart for this though, but I noticed that there are plenty of rationalizations and justifications for Chloe's remark here, and I just couldn't stop thinking how different would it be if it's Lois or Lana making putdown comments about Clark.

[meteor_phreak]

i think the way she referred to him had little to do with what she felt, and more to do with the fact that chloe was trying to help hide his secret...she couldn't just come out and say that clark was special. clark can talk about chloe's reporter instincts and it's okay...

[chlo-el]

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
i think the way she referred to him had little to do with what she felt, and more to do with the fact that chloe was trying to help hide his secret...she couldn't just come out and say that clark was special. clark can talk about chloe's reporter instincts and it's okay...

Good point.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by seacrystal
I'm not really going to rip her apart for this though, but I noticed that there are plenty of rationalizations and justifications for Chloe's remark here, and I just couldn't stop thinking how different would it be if it's Lois or Lana making putdown comments about Clark.

WORD.

I will definitely be referring to this scene (and the corresponding rationalizations) when a similar situation comes up for Lana and Lois. Here's to hoping that the same type of "open-mindedness" is applied. :cool:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I am confused.......so now we're actually HAPPY that dialogues between Clark and all 3 girls are poorly written?!?
:\
Well, hooray then....

[freefall]

No, not happy. I was definitely and totally unhappy when they have Lois putting down Clark in Rage, or the way they always have Lana getting on Clark's case when he saved her, instead of thanking him.

I'm just saying that the courtesy of rationalizing Chloe's less than stellar behaviour, when it comes to Clark, should be extended to Lois and Lana as well.

If we want to excuse Chloe's thoughtless remark as poor writing and an OOC moment, then do the same to Lois' comments in Rage. But from my observation at the majority of the posts here at the Rage forum, Lois is an utter witch who deserves to burn in H*ll for eternity. :\

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by seacrystal
No, not happy. I was definitely and totally unhappy when they have Lois putting down Clark in Rage, or they way they have Lana getting on Clark's case when he saved her, instead of thanking him.

I'm just saying that the courtesy of rationalizing Chloe's less than stellar behaviour, when it comes to Clark, should be extended to Lois and Lana as well.
OK, I am happy we agree then.
You know, previous to this season I liked Chloe because she had less of those poorly written OOC moments. Maybe that was coincidence, maybe AM succeeded in having them changed, I dunno. She seems pretty involved in the development of her character. maybe KK and ED are more fatalistic (there are recent quotes that suggest that, IMO....). Anyway, this season Chloe is as poorly written as Lana and Lois, IMO. Maybe even a little worse. Lois definitely has improved and Lana, well.....I don't really pay attention to her character anymore.


Originally posted by seacrystal
....Lois is an utter witch who deserves to burn in H*ll for eternity. :\
I disagree.
What her character deserves is better writing, IMO. More meaningful storylines, more depth to her character, etc.

[chlo-el]

I still don't see how calling Clark a resourse is a put down. And it is not like she could say "don't worry mom Clark has super powers he'll help us". And I'm sorry maybe I'm biased but Lana and Lois putting clark down does not seem ooc to me. If it was a time when Lana and clark were broken up of course she would put him down. And as for Lois well even ILL puts down Clark or calls him names before she finds out he's superman.

[samanta]

What she said about Clark wasn't anything bad IMO.
Chloe helps him on daily basis and Clark helps Chloe too. Clark wasn't looking like it was bothering him.
She wasn't putting him down. If she said: Don't be affraid mom I will send Clark to steal the serum, he owes me anyway. Would it sound better?

[RedKRules]

I think Chloe did not really mean to say that to Clark in a bad way .....what would you expect her to say??

Mom don´t worry my best friend is an alien, with extraordinary powers, and he is going to help us figure this out .... :rolleyes:

[samanta]

Originally posted by RedKRules
I think Chloe did not really mean to say that to Clark in a bad way .....what would you expect her to say??

Mom don´t worry my best friend is an alien, with extraordinary powers, and he is going to help us figure this out .... :rolleyes:
Let's face it. It doesn't matter how she meant it. Progeny was Chloe centric episode. It means there has to be some Chloe bashing. The same is for Lois and Lana. Centic episode for one of girls = bashing.

[RedKRules]

:lol: ....

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by seacrystal
No, not happy. I was definitely and totally unhappy when they have Lois putting down Clark in Rage, or the way they always have Lana getting on Clark's case when he saved her, instead of thanking him.

I'm just saying that the courtesy of rationalizing Chloe's less than stellar behaviour, when it comes to Clark, should be extended to Lois and Lana as well.


Exactly. Well put, seacrystal. And I'm happy that we are in agreement ILWC. :)

[AndiGirl]

Goodness people! haha. This thread is still going! I really don't know why people are getting so upset either. I don't personally like the way Chloe said it, but even Clark had to understand what she meant! Clark is amazing and she knows he would do anything for her...that's all she meant. Yes, calling him a resource wasn't her best move, but I really didn't see one ounce of him being mad in that scene. Like I said before...if anything he feels bad he can't do more. Chloe hasn't been able to talk to her mom for years, she walks in with sandwhiches...and is ready to go. Then she finds out she only has a few seconds to say everything she's been wanting to for the past 8 years. She is obviouslt incredibly emotional...and grasping at straws by that point. She was willing to go talk to Lex to save her mom...so it's not a far leap that she wants Clark to do something, anything. Thats why he looks down...he's not mad, he's upset that Chloe is so upset...and with all of his powers he still can't save his best friends mom.

[Peat Moss]

As far as blaming Chloe for the kryptonite thing, remember this--The control on this episode was complete control--the controlled person's mind went blank and they could think of nothing but what would help finish the task. Many of the times Lana has been controlled (Magnetic, Thirst, eg) it was because she delved too deeply into something when she should have listened to Clark and Chloe's advice and stayed away. She was slowly drawn in, until she was controlled completely. I agree that her actions when fully controlled are not her own, (though that image of Lana sticking her teeth into his neck seems like it would turn anyone off--even knowing it wasn't her. yet clark still sees lana as his angel) but her actions before that were her own wrong choices.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by AndiGirl
Goodness people! haha. This thread is still going! I really don't know why people are getting so upset either. . It was a jarring comment so don't be surprised.

Sometimes I think TPTB intentionally make the characters say stuff like this to cause trouble and elicit a response from the audience... and it's working! :lol:

[freefall]

7 pages is nothing compared to the tens of pages and hundreds and hundreds of posts analyzing and slamming every single thing that Lana or Lois say and anything they do in any episode, or even in episodes they're not in :D

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by seacrystal
analyzing and slamming every single thing that Lana or Lois say and anything they do in any episode, or even in episodes they're not in :D that's not true...i never look a gift horse in the mouth... :lol:

[boingo]

Originally posted by Peat Moss
As far as blaming Chloe for the kryptonite thing, remember this--The control on this episode was complete control--the controlled person's mind went blank and they could think of nothing but what would help finish the task. Many of the times Lana has been controlled (Magnetic, Thirst, eg) it was because she delved too deeply into something when she should have listened to Clark and Chloe's advice and stayed away. She was slowly drawn in, until she was controlled completely.... but her actions before that were her own wrong choices.

I am not sure what you are saying but if it is what I think you are saying lol it doesn't really make much sense...

The severity of the "actual" act done when mind contolled isn't any less or any more depending on the circumstances of how one became mind controlled (goodness it is wierd talking about mind controll as if it is a natural everyday occurance lol)

Also, from what I remember Lana did not delve too deep against the advice of Clark and Chloe in Magnetic. All Lana did was to check up on (magnet boy/forgot his name lol) in the hospital (w/Clark) after his accident and that is when he first touches her....Same thing in "Thirst" she didn't go against any warnings/ advice when joining the vampire sorority. Nobody knew about it.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by seacrystal
7 pages is nothing compared to the tens of pages and hundreds and hundreds of posts analyzing and slamming every single thing that Lana or Lois say and anything they do in any episode, or even in episodes they're not in :D

AMEN sister!!! You tell it!!! Tell the truth now!!!

[freefall]

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
that's not true...i never look a gift horse in the mouth... :lol:

And that's why I only referred to it as "posts" instead of "posters". :)

[Mischael12]

I still think she shouldn't have said it like that. Resources could have easily been replaced with friends, or allies.

I mean its not like Chloe's mom isn't at least slightly aware of Clark's powers, I mean he did save her.

and again they are friends, if Clark needs help with something is it wrong for him to ask Chloe? No, and it doesn't mean he owes her, they are just helping each other. If Chloe needs help nothing wrong for her to ask Clark, again doesn't mean he owes her. Its friendship

[Peat Moss]

Originally posted by boingo
I am not sure what you are saying but if it is what I think you are saying lol it doesn't really make much sense...

The severity of the "actual" act done when mind contolled isn't any less or any more depending on the circumstances of how one became mind controlled (goodness it is wierd talking about mind controll as if it is a natural everyday occurance lol)

Also, from what I remember Lana did not delve too deep against the advice of Clark and Chloe in Magnetic. All Lana did was to check up on (magnet boy/forgot his name lol) in the hospital (w/Clark) after his accident and that is when he first touches her....Same thing in "Thirst" she didn't go against any warnings/ advice when joining the vampire sorority. Nobody knew about it.

Let me clarify by condensing what I said.

When Chloe was under her mom's power, there was nothing of her mind left. Her entire thought was what she had been ordered. Her body was completely controlled.

When Lana was controlled by Magneto, his influence was slowly and gradually taking her over. He just made her attracted to him, but her mind was still hers. She could have resisted, it just would have been harder than with a normal guy. If she had taken Clark's advice and stayed away, she never would have come completely under his control.

When Lana was at the sorority, she knew there was something messed up about that place. And I don't think she went full vampire as soon as they had their little ceremony...but I may be wrong. This one, I agree, isn't really Lana's fault.

[Poyntz]

hmmmm .. As far as i remember about smallville Chloe has always had Resources. When she says Amazing Resources it doesnt necessarily mean she meant only clark. She also has the whole justice league, A billionaire Oliver stone along with of course Clark. She happened to look at clark because he was in the room and knew what she was talking about. His look down to me didn't look like he was upset at her. IT looked more like he was upset and sad for her desperation trying to keep her mom around.

As for all this silly GreenK argument. If you really can blame chloe for the use of it when she was under mind control... then you would also have to blame Clark for trying to run over Chloe with a truck in the episode Delete.
Both incidents they had no memory or control of. They wouldn't do it normally.

Thats just my 2 cents worth (maybe that was 3 cents though lol)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Poyntz
hmmmm .. As far as i remember about smallville Chloe has always had Resources. When she says Amazing Resources it doesnt necessarily mean she meant only clark. She also has the whole justice league, A billionaire Oliver stone along with of course Clark. She happened to look at clark because he was in the room and knew what she was talking about. His look down to me didn't look like he was upset at her. IT looked more like he was upset and sad for her desperation trying to keep her mom around.


Actually, I think the look that Chloe gave Clark was almost saying that she will just use Clark to steal the drug from Lex if necessary. By "resources", that's what I took it to mean. I'm also with everyone else who agrees that if Lana or Lois said something like this, their characters would be criticized endlessly for being selfish. Plus, the whole "holding Clark back" argument would be used as well. To me, what Chloe said wasn't a huge deal, but if it's made out to be a huge deal when it comes to Lois and Lana, I will make it a big deal when it comes to Chloe.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by myankskent
Actually, I think the look that Chloe gave Clark was almost saying that she will just use Clark to steal the drug from Lex if necessary. By "resources", that's what I took it to mean. I'm also with everyone else who agrees that if Lana or Lois said something like this, their characters would be criticized endlessly for being selfish. Plus, the whole "holding Clark back" argument would be used as well. To me, what Chloe said wasn't a huge deal, but if it's made out to be a huge deal when it comes to Lois and Lana, I will make it a big deal when it comes to Chloe.

Wich I find totally fair but since 9 of 10 episodes of Temp Lois and Lana had them doing things like that but 1 of 10 episodes with Chloe had her doing the same we still less reason to bash Chloe than to bash the other girls.
We are not bieng unfair we are working with the material the show give to us!

[Altheablue76]

"Was it me or did Chloe described Clark as a resource she uses at her disposal?

Clark's head even dropped when she said that... poor guy. "

I took this as Clark already knowing that Chloe's mom was slipping back, and that he knew that they wouldn't be able to continue to help her. Clark knew better before Chloe did, and was obviously feeling bad for her. That was why his head dropped a little bit. Let's remember how much they help each other in their adventures . . . Chloe with her background/pc skills, and Clark with his, umm, well, all of his skills. They could have started stealing the stuff her mom was taking to remain coherent, but during their talk, Moira probably already hinted to Clark that she didn't want to be "a human weapon."

[meteor_phreak]

am i the only one who thinks chloe was also not talking only about clark? i mean she also knows a billionaire (ollie) powerful army guy (lois's dad) and even clark would have resources you can't just describe...and i agree his sour look was sympathy at watching chloe figure out what was going on the hard way...

[myankskent]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Wich I find totally fair but since 9 of 10 episodes of Temp Lois and Lana had them doing things like that but 1 of 10 episodes with Chloe had her doing the same we still less reason to bash Chloe than to bash the other girls.
We are not bieng unfair we are working with the material the show give to us!

In your opinion, in 9 out of 10 episodes Lois and Lana do things like that and Chloe does it in 1 out of 10. I simply don't agree with that breakdown.

[boingo]

Originally posted by Peat Moss
When Chloe was under her mom's power, there was nothing of her mind left. Her entire thought was what she had been ordered. Her body was completely controlled.

When Lana was controlled by Magneto, his influence was slowly and gradually taking her over. He just made her attracted to him, but her mind was still hers. She could have resisted, it just would have been harder than with a normal guy. If she had taken Clark's advice and stayed away, she never would have come completely under his control.



The thing is, there is no way to definately know or gage how much "control" or "lack of control" the character has when being mind controlled...and that goes for both examples above.

[darkone]

Originally posted by boingo
The thing is, there is no way to definately know or gage how much "control" or "lack of control" the character has when being mind controlled...and that goes for both examples above.

Agree.I think Chloe was always a selfish character especially with Clark's secret.She's using him as her personal herotoy.Sux big time.I really hope Clark takes off his Chloe blinders at some point now with Lana learning his secret.

[RedKRules]

I don´t think Clark has Chloe blinders, maybe what she said was just misunderstanding ..... I don´t know .... since they have a strong friendship .....I don´t think it will affect them any how......but do you remember . .... CRIMSON ......

I can´t say I haven´t thought about it ....or
Back POCKET ???? .......

If Chloe would consider all the mean things Clark has said to her and VICE VERSA ..........there wouldn´t be any friendship at all ....
Sometimes people aren´t muy amigo ....!

:lol: :rolleyes:

No one´s perfect right?!

[AndiGirl]

I don't know...I still personally don't think it was that big of a deal??? I mean...even if Lana or Lois said it...I wouldnt have thought it was a big deal, given the situation. Clark isn't mad because Chloe was about to lose her mom for the second time in her life. Plain and simple...for me any way. She was desperate, and because he's her best friend he knows that. If by some weird happening Lana's mom came back..I wouldn't blame her one bit for referring to Clark as a resource. Of course...there's better words, but you really do need to take the situation they were in into account. :)

[SheaMan]

C'mon they are a team - she's the infomonster and hes the kick butt monster!

[RedKRules]

That´s exactly what I am trying to say...........good point Andi ;)!

[AndiGirl]

Why thank you! I think we've made our case! haha :)

[Peat Moss]

The thing is, there's more to this than single lines from Chloe or Lana. You can take individual occurences and spin them for Lana or Chloe being evil or perfect. But you have to look at how they have acted the entire series--and how they have changed as characters. IMO, this does not paint a very good picture of Lana. She comes off as selfish and spoiled, not concerned for anyone else. Others may see it differently. But people always bash Chloe with the reason that "if Lana had done it the forum would have been raging" and defend Lana saying "if Chloe had done it no one would have minded." I don't think there is a majority of either Chloe-haters OR Lana-haters, so don't make an argument based on the fact that one character seems to get a bad rap.

[jaime,oburg]

This line actually showed some great continuity from what Clark has already assured his friend to calm her fears about her unknown power and Lex.
Clark told Chloe that he considers himself her "personal bomb squad". Both friends have relied on each other greatly over the years. And that's what best friends do. To say that Clark is always "using" Chloe for help or Chloe is always "using" Clark for his superpowers goes against the carefully built relationship that the writers have done a good job re-enforcing over the years.

A more appropriate word would be rely rather then use. These two characters have come to depend confidently that each always has the other's back. They put their trust in each other and know that either can always rely on the other. That's what bestfriends do for one another.

Chloe has some other really superfriends at her "disposal" as well. The future JLA members also know they have Chloe at their disposal. Chloe is just reiterating that she has some really great friends. The term "at my disposal" is just snark speak for I can always rely on my friends. We should all be able to understand the snark language after 6 seasons.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I think the most important thing to remember is chloe just got her mom back after 12 years and she was losing her again. We all would not be polite about Clark go get me the damn serum so my mommy won't go bye bye. If I was clark's robin and my mother could be saved by clark do you think I would be polite. Or say Clark/Justice League is at my disposal.

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I think the most important thing to remember is chloe just got her mom back after 12 years and she was losing her again. We all would not be polite about Clark go get me the damn serum so my mommy won't go bye bye. If I was clark's robin and my mother could be saved by clark do you think I would be polite. Or say Clark/Justice League is at my disposal.

Exactly. :)

[freefall]

Originally posted by RedKRules
I don´t think Clark has Chloe blinders, maybe what she said was just misunderstanding ..... I don´t know .... since they have a strong friendship .....I don´t think it will affect them any how......but do you remember . .... CRIMSON ......

I can´t say I haven´t thought about it ....or
Back POCKET ???? .......

The distinctive difference is that the backpocket comment is made from a ROMANTIC viewpoint, not from the friendship angle. Clark was right about assessing his feelings honestly there, if he's to hook up with Chloe, it would be simply because he's settling for her and she'd always be the second choice and simply a backup plan.

And Clark himself knew better than to treat any girl like that. Him lashing out at Chloe by taunting her about that in Crimson is simply because he was angry at her for attending the party, just like the way he lashed out at his own mother, Martha was actually the one he hit first. So it has nothing to do with wanting to play with Chloe's feelings when he taunted her. Clark has been very clear about that since a long time ago.

From the friendship viewpoint, Clark has never referred to Chloe as his resource, backpocket girl or things like that. His comments like in Labyrinth and Solitude proves just how much she means to her as his friend. He was there for her in her times of need like in Tomb, Freak and Progeny. He referred Chloe to the JL as someone who could help them greatly, never saying her as a resource.

If Chloe has issues with how he sometimes treats her like his personal search engine and his sounding board, she should have brought it up to him herself. But Chloe seems to enjoy doing all those things, dropping everything in her life to be his perpetual sidekick anyway, so who could blame him if he's not aware of that?

Just because Clark doesn't feel the same way like Chloe does for him romantically, doesn't mean he's being unfair to her. Any character is free to love or like anyone he/she wants without any feelings of obligations, and definitely not because of pity or simply settling because he/she couldn't be with someone else.


Originally posted by Peat Moss
The thing is, there's more to this than single lines from Chloe or Lana. You can take individual occurences and spin them for Lana or Chloe being evil or perfect. But you have to look at how they have acted the entire series--and how they have changed as characters. IMO, this does not paint a very good picture of Lana. She comes off as selfish and spoiled, not concerned for anyone else. Others may see it differently. But people always bash Chloe with the reason that "if Lana had done it the forum would have been raging" and defend Lana saying "if Chloe had done it no one would have minded." I don't think there is a majority of either Chloe-haters OR Lana-haters, so don't make an argument based on the fact that one character seems to get a bad rap.

For me, it's not so much about whether or not Chloe or Lana or Lois is being evil or good just based on individual actions, but the way their less than stellar behaviour is being rationalized by their respective fans.

If some people could go to great lengths trying to find justifications and rationalizations for Chloe describing Clark specifically as a resource (why else would she look at him after she made that remark?) and expect others to accept these explanations, then the same courtesy should be extended to Lois and Lana as well.

Like the way Lois putting Clark down in Rage, sure I'm also very unhappy with that and thought it was really rude and uncalled for.

But if I want to rationalize it and put myself in her shoes, I'd just say it was simply her being hurt emotionally and physically, being left by Oliver again for the nth time without any explanations and him not visiting her at the hospital at all, after she just got thrown on a glass table. She was the only one who's totally in the dark about everything and everyone still expects her to be polite and sweet about it? And she was worried sick about Oliver, nothing to do with herself and that's what probably triggered her reactions towards Clark.

But the way she was perceived in that scene, it's like she must be totally condemned to hell for just one situation and is totally unredeemable even though she definitely has shown a lot of instances where there's a clear indication that she appreciates Clark in her life.

Another good example would be when Lois is slammed just for coming across a picture which has already been in the freaking trash, apparently for "stealing a story" from Chloe. But when Chloe purposely hid the ring images from Lois in Arrow and was even proud of it, I hardly see anyone crying foul about it, or even they did, some people came up with plenty of stuff to justify that.

Or the hundreds and hundreds of posts condemning Lana for her action in Promise. Yes, her action of making Chloe as a bait is pretty bad, but we've also seen her struggling with that decision as indicated from her conversation with Nell. It's not as if she's cackling with glee while locking Chloe in the cellar. I really doubt that Lana would purposely put Chloe in any dangerous situations even if she really wants to know about Clark.

[RedKRules]

Good Point :D!

[msleggie]

I thought it was nice that she felt that she had someone to go to when she needed help. Maybe she should have used a better choice of words than resource at her disposal, but she meant well.

[Jlvsclrk]

I'm astonished that people are taking Choloe's word choice so negatively. I thought it was pretty obvious that before the scene began, Clark had already had a conversation with Moira about her condition, knew of her decision to NOT go after more of the drug because of the risk to others, agreed with the decision in principle but was sad because he knew how this would hurt Chloe, knew time was running out and thus filled Moira in with the Chloe Sullivan bio. Then Chloe shows up and he warns her there's a problem and stands back to give Chloe her last few moments with her mother. His reaction to Chloe's comment is SORROW that despite all his amazing resources, there is nothing he can do to help. Nothing but be there for her as a friend, which he does.

[Poyntz]

Nicely put Jlvsclrk :)

[SlickBlonde]

I think she was desperate. I think for a split second clark was uncomfortable with her wording, probably got a flashback of when Pete got him to "use" his powers to get outta that car racing jam he was in. But Clarks done and said some desperate things to protect his parents and others he loves, so I truly think he empathized with her

[Peat Moss]

Chloe wasn't asking Clark to get her out of a jam! She was asking him to save her mother if he could. Big difference.

[SlickBlonde]

Naw it was basically the same kind of thing. That guy pete was mixed up with was threatening to hurt/kill him and his family. His desperation was along the same line as Chloe's and perhaps worse. The scenarios are obviously not identical in that Pete's problem was his own damn fault, but them being identical is not the point.

My point is that Clarks friends using his powers to solve their problems makes him a little uneasy as i think it would anybody. It's assuming that because of their friendship they can ask him to use his power without any questions. Everytime Clark displays his powers and especially anywhere around Lex he runs the risk of realizing his worst nightmare and that's a huge burden for him to carry. It's a possibilty that, in theory (cuz lord knows he doesn't seem to think at all sometimes), he has to weigh everytime he breaks down a door or blows something up. His friends loosing sight of whats really at stake when he uses his power is probably an underlying fear he has when it comes to them knowing his secret. And I would think when quotes like, "I have some amazing resources at my disposal"comes out of his friends mouth while looking at him, that fear might be stirred just a bit regardless of the circumstances. Now how he reacts does depend on the circumstances. Like in the end I think he would totally help Chloe however he could and be completely understanding. But with Pete, that bs was his fault and we saw how even though Clark did help him he was really mad at him

[meteor_phreak]

this wasn't a problem caused by chloe doing illegal activities, and that makes this COMPLETELY different...

[SlickBlonde]

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
this wasn't a problem caused by chloe doing illegal activities, and that makes this COMPLETELY different...

Wow, you totally missed my point on this. Again:

His friends loosing sight of whats really at stake when he uses his power is probably an underlying fear he has when it comes to them knowing his secret. And I would think when quotes like, "I have some amazing resources at my disposal" comes out of his friends mouth while looking at him, that fear might be stirred just a bit regardless of the circumstances. How that doesn't make sense I don't know.

Now how he reacts does depend on the circumstances. Like in the end I think he would totally help Chloe however he could and be completely understanding. But with Pete, that bs was his fault and we saw how even though Clark did help him he was really mad at him. Emphasis on: he would NOT be mad at chloe because it wasn't her fault.

Let me break it down further for you. There are two phenomena I'm discussing here. 1: Clarks fears and what stirs them 2: when he's willing to risk realizing his fears to help his friends.

1: Clark has a fear of his friends taking advantage of his power. Loosing sight of the burden that it is for him. Assuming that because he is a friend, if its important enough he should do what they want/need when they ask, without considering the potential consequence to him. If you will, notice this is not contigent on circumstance.

2: when the mess/problem is of no fault of the friends, Clark won't have any problem helping. Notice that this IS contingent on circumstance

Now, because of 1, Chloe's statement made him a little uneasy.

Because of 2, Clark would happily take that risk and help with complete empathy.

I don't know how to make my point any plainer than that. The fact of the matter is, because of 1, both friends, CHLOE and PETE, assuming he'll use his powers to solve their problems, would understandibly make him uneasy. What he does about it, and how the circumstances influence his action thereafter is a totally seperate issue. An issue we all agree on: because it wasn't Chloe's fault, Clark would not blame her, be mad at her and would gladly help her. I'm using what's called critical thinking, very useful tool apparently both on message boards and in life.