Television Ratings for Progeny

[myankskent]

Talk about the tv ratings for Progeny here!

[MidgardDragon]

Just a gentle reminder, there are supposed to be pre-emptions in Chicago (IIRC) tonight. So before we hear the "teh ratings sucked Chloe must die!!!" just remember that.

[ClarksGal]

^^Good work, I was just coming into this thread to post that. :)

[Best Episode - 321]

Season 6 Episode Viewership

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............4.03

* - Final Rating

[lillie_poo_pod]

It's preempted in San Antonio too. So I'm expecting these ratings to be as low as Combat.

[MidgardDragon]

Was Combat pre-empted in SA or anywhere other than Chicago? If not I bet the ratings will be lower than Combat. I'm holding out hope for at least a final of 4.06. The overnights will probably be a lot lower.

[meggy]

and we should also consider the very little promotion that this epi got throughout the break. only in the last 2 days etc has interviews and such been coming out...a bit late:\

[lillie_poo_pod]

I think Combat was only pre-empted in Chicago.

[Routh]

Nooooooo!

Darn you, Matt. You stole my thread. :P

[avidreader]

The pre-emptions could explain why there was little advertising. If they know that their numbers are going to take a serious blow, then there's not really much point in putting money into advertising.

[CallMeClark]

I am predicting a jump from "Combat." This episode had a lot of advertisement.

[uhhuhhim]

I'm surprised there wasn't a voice over in the promos that said, "Lynda Carter guest stars..." That might've helped.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
I'm surprised there wasn't a voice over in the promos that said, "Lynda Carter guest stars..." That might've helped.

There was a promo with almost that exact voice-over that aired several times this past week.

[CallMeClark]

Yes it did. Not to mention, just like Hydro, it was plasted in TVGuide and on several sites online.

[Best Episode - 321]

Last Nights Ratings are in:

Smallville on The CW (Viewers: #5, 4.03 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5)

(Don't forget it was preempted in Chicago)

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Season 6 Episode Viewership

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............4.03

* - Final Rating

[RedKRules]

:rolleyes: ..........no way !!

[Best Episode - 321]

Hopefully it stays above 4 million when the finals come out.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
There was a promo with almost that exact voice-over that aired several times this past week.

Yeah, I was watching TheCW at night I believe it was Tuesday and saw the trailer about three different times in the span of an hour and 30 minutes.

Also the episode was promoted on TV Guide's main page and on Yahoo!TV.

That's more then the average Smallville episode ever gets.

Also the actress who played Chloe's mother was also interviewed by TV Guide.

[Best Episode - 321]

Here are the Half Hour breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.78 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.29 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5


Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.75 million, A18-49: 1.5/ 4
9:30 p.m. V: 3.42 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3

[Rafael122]

Once again, the show shows increase during the second half of the show, which is good. If viewership goes down as the show goes on, its a really bad sign. So I'd be worried about Supernatural, who lost about half a million viewers from the Smallville viewers and the viewership decreased throughout the show.

How much of a factor does Chicago figure into all of this? I'd say not much, but who knows.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Last Nights Ratings are in:

Smallville on The CW (Viewers: #5, 4.03 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5)

(Don't forget it was preempted in Chicago)

_______________________________-

Season 6 Episode Viewership

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............4.03

* - Final Rating

Wow, the episodes that center around Clark Kent are the ones with the highest viewership -
Fallout, Justice and labyrinth.

Go figure :\

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Wow, the episodes that center around Clark Kent are the ones with the highest viewership -
Fallout, Justice and labyrinth.

Go figure :\

I loved Justice but many of have claimed it made Clark Kent into a bit-player and focused on the JL more than Clark. Other episodes that focused on Clark were rated low, Sneeze, Crimson, Combat.

Don't fall into the trap that others have of thinking only one factor brings ratings up or down. There is far more at work than one thing when it comes to TV ratings.

[Best Episode - 321]

The episodes involving Clark, the mythology episodes, also get the most promotion and are the more important episodes to the series.

As Mingard said, there are lots of other factor for ratings besides who the episode centers around.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Nah,I don't care much for ratings.
tons of good shows have gone down the crapper beacuse of ratings.
Ratings make for good discussion and all that, but too many variables can cause an episode to be higher than an other.

Gotta look at the whole average, not the blips.

[Best Episode - 321]

All of Season 4 Average - 4.99 million/episode

All of Season 5 Average - 5.31 million/episode

First 18 eps of Season 6 Average - 4.69 million/episode


Don't have the first 3 season averages Sorry. :\

[darkone]

The bad ratings are Lana's fault. :lol:
The Episode sucked so does the ratings.Just compare how ratings improved during airtime in Clexana Episodes.1 million alone in the 2nd half of the Episode as Crimson aired.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Obviously the show needs more sex and violence, maybe a contest in which people try to sing and viewers call into to vote them off.

[Kreukie]

They should have Clark, Chloe, Lana, Lex, Martha, Lionel, Lois...ect. design dresses!

Project Smallville!

That'll bring ratings!

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by Kreukie
They should have Clark, Chloe, Lana, Lex, Martha, Lionel, Lois...ect. design dressed!

Project Smallville!

That'll bring ratings!

Or CSI: Smallville !

[boywithbluehanger]

Someone (probably more than just one) stated in a past ratings post that Satellite providers do not allow ratings detection or for whatever reason they are not included in the ratings taken. Shouldnt that greatly factor in on millions that have satellite providers like Dish, and DirecTV?

The ratings may be well over 5 million per episode if those viewers are not included (such as myself!! :D)

The best rated shows on SV this season are generally those that the stereotypical 16-28 fans of the male demographic would consider vital to the show or iconic revisions of past comic characters/plots.

[Best Episode - 321]

That may be the case that satellite providers don't allow ratings detection, but it doesn't matter.

All networks face that same issue and it would affect them all the same.

What matters is that all networks are playing by the same rules and that seemingly is the case.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I think one of the big factors of low ratings could be FOX's Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader. The break could factor in as well. I hope Nemesis does better. Will there be any pre-emptions?

[Best Episode - 321]

Thursday Finals

Smallville
- 3.976 million viewers
- 2.4/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.9/7 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.251 million viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

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Season 6 Episode Viewership

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............3.98*

* - Final Rating

____________________________

Here are some more finals if you're interested:

Survivor
- 13.331 million viewers
- 8.1/14 HH
- 4.5/13 A18-49

5th Grader
- 10.104 million viewers
- 6.0/10 HH
- 3.3/10 A18-49

Ugly Betty
- 9.456 million viewers
- 6.6/11 HH
- 3.0/9 A18-49

My Name is Earl
- 7.155 million viewers
- 4.6/8 HH
- 3.0/10 A18-49
___________________________

Grey's Anatomy
- 21.125 million viewers
- 13.7/21 HH
- 8.7/23 A18-49

30 Rock
- 5.158 million viewers
- 3.3/5 HH
- 2.5/7 A18-49

Scrubs
- 5.615 million viewers
- 3.6/6 HH
- 2.9/7 A18-49
_________________________

Shark
- 12.544 million viewers
- 8.5/14 HH
- 3.0/9 A18-49

October Road
- 9.603 million viewers
- 6.5/11 HH
- 4.1/12 A18-49

ER
- 9.313 million viewers
- 6.2/11 HH
- 3.8/11 A18-49

[Absentee]

Wow.

What happened?

Seriously, this episode had alot of promotions including the ones Kreukie mentioned. I actually thought it would do well since CW's demographics are mostly women and the episode was geared towards that demos.... Mothers and daughter, it was something women can relate to.

I can't believe its lower than Subterranean and that had no big names attached to it. Maybe the internet fans are the only ones who watched. LOL. JK :p

[CLANA the GREAT]

^^I thought so too...isn't this a chloe-centered episode? And being exposed from this forum, I thought that chloe brought in the ratings? I am so confused now...:confused:

[khufu]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Yeah, I was watching TheCW at night I believe it was Tuesday and saw the trailer about three different times in the span of an hour and 30 minutes.

Also the episode was promoted on TV Guide's main page and on Yahoo!TV.

That's more then the average Smallville episode ever gets.

Also the actress who played Chloe's mother was also interviewed by TV Guide. I don't know where you live that they played the commercial so much, but here in Boston I only saw like 3 commercials during the entire hiatus. I remember with Promise - they released the 10 second teaser immediately - at the beginning of the break, and played it continuously throughout. In fact, I lost count of how many times I saw it. And each new week, a slightly longer version of the commercial came out - there were 4 versions of the commercial by the time it aired, and the Director's Cuts were released well in advance of the show airing. I know this because I hosted all these various promos on my YouTube page. But with Progeny, the DCs and a few advanced scenes came out only a day before the episode aired - that's not nearly enough time for word-of-mouth enthusiasm to spread, so only the hardcore dedicated online fans (who were likely to watch anyway) were privy to these promotions. Truth be told Progeny was a horribly promoted episode, as evidenced by the fact that many people were complaining about the lack of promotion (here, TWOP, SDKs blog, etc) during the entire hiatus.


^^I thought so too...isn't this a chloe-centered episode? And being exposed from this forum, I thought that chloe brought in the ratings? I am so confused now...They do - when they are adequately promoted. But I guess the ultimate test of this theory will be next season, when Lana's not even on the show (and it's going to be so much more peaceful around here).

[Rayhana]

Progeny...............3.98*
Ouch. I hope that the ratings for the next episode will be better.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Wow, numbers below 4 sure do look depressing....

[monstra]

well I guess it was to be expected

sports + hiatus + chloe = bad ratings :)

[CLANA the GREAT]

Originally posted by khufu

They do - when they are adequately promoted. But I guess the ultimate test of this theory will be next season, when Lana's not even on the show (and it's going to be so much more peaceful around here).

I thought it was adequately promoted...Progeny was featured on TVguide. Lynda Carter was also interviewed. Secondly, it was also featured on EW magazine and YahooTV. And that's not enough promotion? Then I don't know what is?

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by CLANA the GREAT
I thought it was adequately promoted...Progeny was featured on TVguide. Lynda Carter was also interviewed. Secondly, it was also featured on EW magazine and YahooTV. And that's not enough promotion? Then I don't know what is?

That's why I'm confused with the "Not enough promotions" responds I'm reading.

For me this episode was promoted enough for an episode that the A and B plot had nothing indirectly to do with Clark.

The trailer that was released last week didn't even have Clark in the trailer. All the promotes either had to do with Chloe or the actress that played her mother.

khufu did you have the TV on TheCW through the whole hiatus?

Because if you did, I'll take your word for it that the episode wasn't promoted enough for an episode that had (again) NOTHING indirectly to do with Clark.

That night I saw the trailer featured about three times along with the Supernatural trailer.

For an episode that had no A or B plot for Clark, I thought it was promoted pretty darn good! TV Guide, Yahoo.com, Entertainment Weekly that's more then the average Smallville episode ever gets!

Also Promise was an episode about Lex/Lana/Clark, it focus on those three characters, those are the three MAIN characters within the series. The episode also had huge events within it -- Lex/Lana's wedding and Lana finding out the truth about Clark. So of course TPTB were gonna promote it a lot!

Last night's episode had mainly to do with Chloe, that's ONE supporting character within the series. So why exactly did TheCW have to over promote that episode like they did Promise? Because it's Chloe, one character?

Again, even with that, last night's episode got featured in TV Guide, Yahoo! and Entertainment Weekly!

This wouldn't be the first Smallville episode to do below 4 million, so donno why people are making it such a big deal out of it.

[MidgardDragon]

I've yet to figure out why people claiming lack of promotion haven't read the first reply in this thread. It was pre-empted in Chicago and apparently San Antonio as well. It doesn't matter how much they promoted it or how good it was, they lost two markets. It was expected to be low in the ratings from the very beginning if you read the thread, at least.

[lillie_poo_pod]

MidgardDragon, it was a mistake it was only pre empted in Chicage, my fault.

But honestly, lack of promotion does have something to do with it. I've seen alot of ppl saying that they didn't even know a new episode aired and was told by someone else that there was.

I kept my station on CW through the hiatus and I've seen at least 15 maybe a little more trailers for the episode starting Monday. When the first trailer for the episode aired I didn't see it again til Monday night.

Promise was promoted in magazines as well as Progeny, the difference though was Promise was heavily promoted on air where I was seeing a trailer for it damn near every two- three hours since the hiatus from "Freak". Where with "Progeny" they only really started playing the trailers on the start of the work week.

[skully]

Meh, who cares about ratings now. They are only important in helping network executives decide whether a show should be moved, canned, shark-jumped, etc, etc. We pretty much now know that next season will be the last.

I, for one, am not going to mope over declining ratings and am going to savour every minute of the last 26 episodes of this brilliant series.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
MidgardDragon, it was a mistake it was only pre empted in Chicage, my fault.

But honestly, lack of promotion does have something to do with it. I've seen alot of ppl saying that they didn't even know a new episode aired and was told by someone else that there was.

I kept my station on CW through the hiatus and I've seen at least 15 maybe a little more trailers for the episode starting Monday. When the first trailer for the episode aired I didn't see it again til Monday night.

Promise was promoted in magazines as well as Progeny, the difference though was Promise was heavily promoted on air where I was seeing a trailer for it damn near every two- three hours since the hiatus from "Freak". Where with "Progeny" they only really started playing the trailers on the start of the work week.

People not knowing there was a new episode has a lot more to do with the crazy hiatuses that they keep putting Smallville through. I know others like me that no longer watch The CW for anything but Smallville and if they don't read the websites then they'd have no way to know there was a new episode even if they promoted the heck out of it. Not that they gave it an extreme amount of promotion, but they gave it an adequate amount for sure.

Losing a market + coming back from hiatus = ratings dropping. Smallville has been better about promotion the past couple of seasons so let's give credit when it's due and not blame the wrong thing for a ratings decrease. If you want to complain about something complain about the crazy hiatuses and pre-emptions.

But hey, at least we don't have any idiots cheering because this is the worst rated episode of the season. I couldn't stomach reading the Ratings thread for Combat after a bunch of losers started cheering on low ratings.


Originally posted by skully
Meh, who cares about ratings now. They are only important in helping network executives decide whether a show should be moved, canned, shark-jumped, etc, etc. We pretty much now know that next season will be the last.

I, for one, am not going to mope over declining ratings and am going to savour every minute of the last 26 episodes of this brilliant series.

If only more thought like you, the world would be a better place. :) I, personally, agree. But it does get annoying to see the same things repeated and people continuing to think one factor alone effects ratings from week-to-week.

[elroyofkrypton]

TPTB have stated they have enough material to go eight seasons. Now with the announcement that Michael Rosenbaum is leaving at the end of the seventh season, we all assume the show is ending too. Is it possible that the producers will try to do that last season w/o Lex Luthor? It might be nice to see the love triangle jettisoned and go with a straight action series for one season.

What have Gough & Millar said about the ending of the series? What has the CW said? What has Warner Brothers said?

[kkjdt]

I still think promise is what did everyone in......
and people lost interest after that episode...
no matter what ship you wanted... I don't think anyone wanted to see Clark lose lana to his arch enemy and see clark mopping.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by elroyofkrypton
TPTB have stated they have enough material to go eight seasons.
I think that was just their way of telling us that the show will be back next year.... I mean, they can't officially say it's renewed before the contracts are signed, so that's what they came up with, IMO. I doubt there will be a S8....

[RedKRules]

If they don´t start planning change things soon ....... I don´t think there will be S8 either .....

PLAN B anyone?? :rolleyes:

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by kkjdt
I still think promise is what did everyone in......
and people lost interest after that episode...
no matter what ship you wanted... I don't think anyone wanted to see Clark lose lana to his arch enemy and see clark mopping.

I agree with you. I also think that the pre emption had an effect but NOT as large as everyone thinks. The long breaks also helped lower the ratings.

Promise Episode + Pre-emption + Long Breaks

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
I agree with you. I also think that the pre emption had an effect but NOT as large as everyone thinks. The long breaks also helped lower the ratings.

Promise Episode + Pre-emption + Long Breaks

I could write a long list of episodes that supposedly drove fans away if we're going to assume that the previous episode *always* effects the ratings, and much of that list would be filled with fan favorites.

Actually, I'm just bored enough to do it, so here goes:


Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*
Progeny...............4.03

By the logic that if the ratings dropped it was because the previous episode(s) were bad we have these episodes "sucking":

Zod
Wither
Fallout
Static
Justice
Labyrinth
Crimson
Freak
Promise
Combat

And these episodes being good since the ratings rose for the following episodes:

Sneeze
Arrow
Rage
Subterranean
Hydro
Trespass

Now in the list of those that "sucked" we only have a few that are widely regarded as "bad" episodes:

Wither
Static
(Promise) - Promise is in quotes because quite frankly it isn't widely regarded as sucking, it is an episode that is very split down the middle and once again falls into the spell of "those that don't like it speak loudest of all."

And in the list of episodes that were supposedly "good" because the episodes following them rose in ratings, we have a most noteworthy one:

Subterranean

Now I liked Subterranean, but it's most certainly not widely regarded as a "good" episode.

And you'll notice that the episodes have truly been declining since Justice since we only had a slight increase with Freak. The only two incredibly low numbers share two things in common - hiatus and pre-emptions. pre-emptions are the two major factors that don't count towards the other low-rated episodes so it stands to reason the pre-emptions *are* a major reason for those episodes being lower-than-average.

With your reasoning of the ratings decreasing because of a specific episode, then it stands to reason based on that list that Justice was the episode that drove viewers away, Justice the fan favorite. One episode effects ratings from week-to-week, it does not effect the overall ratings for the rest of the season. The vendetta against Promise is both weak and boring. But at least it's not as bad as the vendetta against Reckoning, as you all have yet to come up with a "clever" name that will be overused for years to come.

:)

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I could write a long list of episodes that supposedly drove fans away if we're going to assume that the previous episode *always* effects the ratings, and much of that list would be filled with fan favorites.

Actually, I'm just bored enough to do it, so here goes:



By the logic that if the ratings dropped it was because the previous episode(s) were bad we have these episodes "sucking":

Zod
Wither
Fallout
Static
Justice
Labyrinth
Crimson
Freak
Promise
Combat

And these episodes being good since the ratings rose for the following episodes:

Sneeze
Arrow
Rage
Subterranean
Hydro
Trespass

Now in the list of those that "sucked" we only have a few that are widely regarded as "bad" episodes:

Wither
Static
(Promise) - Promise is in quotes because quite frankly it isn't widely regarded as sucking, it is an episode that is very split down the middle and once again falls into the spell of "those that don't like it speak loudest of all."

And in the list of episodes that were supposedly "good" because the episodes following them rose in ratings, we have a most noteworthy one:

Subterranean

Now I liked Subterranean, but it's most certainly not widely regarded as a "good" episode.

And you'll notice that the episodes have truly been declining since Justice since we only had a slight increase with Freak. The only two incredibly low numbers share two things in common - hiatus and pre-emptions. pre-emptions are the two major factors that don't count towards the other low-rated episodes so it stands to reason the pre-emptions *are* a major reason for those episodes being lower-than-average.

With your reasoning of the ratings decreasing because of a specific episode, then it stands to reason based on that list that Justice was the episode that drove viewers away, Justice the fan favorite. One episode effects ratings from week-to-week, it does not effect the overall ratings for the rest of the season. The vendetta against Promise is both weak and boring. But at least it's not as bad as the vendetta against Reckoning, as you all have yet to come up with a "clever" name that will be overused for years to come.

:)

Awesome post!

I should save this and post it every time someone blames the episode before for the rating failure! ;)

[Dannyblue1]

But the ratings drop after "Promise" wasn't some tiny little dip. You can always expect some fluctuation in the ratings. Sometimes they're a little higher from week-to-week. Sometimes, a bit lower. For example, the ratings drop between "Justice" and "Labyrinth" was pretty typical of what you see on any given show in a season.

But the ratings drop after "Promise" was huge. The show lost over half a million viewers in one week. That's not in any way typical.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1

But the ratings drop after "Promise" was huge. The show lost over half a million viewers in one week. That's not in any way typical.

Combat didn't air everywhere that night, hence the big drop as compared to other nights.

Also there was that big basketball game as well that night.

Also Spring break started for a lot people that same week.

There was a lot factors as to why the ratings were so low for Combat.

I mean, I didn't watch Combat and I liked Promise, just didn't find the trailer all that interesting for Combat. :o

[BeldarofRemulak]

Does anyone know the final numbers?

[jack1487]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
That may be the case that satellite providers don't allow ratings detection, but it doesn't matter.

All networks face that same issue and it would affect them all the same.

What matters is that all networks are playing by the same rules and that seemingly is the case.

I have DirecTv and also friends of my have DishNetwork and we are also are not counted I wont say that there are millions of viewers that did not get counted, but a least a few hundred thousand of us.

One other thing that you need to add to the list is that the CW just does not have that many stations (as the WB did). This does effect the total count of what people watch. But when you look at ABC, CBS, NBC, and add in Fox all of their numbers are a lot lower this year. CSI and Lost have lost a lot of viewer's.

My 2cents worth,

Jack

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
But the ratings drop after "Promise" wasn't some tiny little dip. You can always expect some fluctuation in the ratings. Sometimes they're a little higher from week-to-week. Sometimes, a bit lower. For example, the ratings drop between "Justice" and "Labyrinth" was pretty typical of what you see on any given show in a season.

But the ratings drop after "Promise" was huge. The show lost over half a million viewers in one week. That's not in any way typical.

I addressed the larger-than-average dip in my post. You are chosing to ignore the pre-emptions due to your dislike of Promise.

[CallMeClark]

A lot of people in Chicago couldn't watch so...

[Routh]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I addressed the larger-than-average dip in my post. You are chosing to ignore the pre-emptions due to your dislike of Promise.
Promise was not pre-empted.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I addressed the larger-than-average dip in my post. You are chosing to ignore the pre-emptions due to your dislike of Promise.

I'm not ignoring the pre-emptions, just stating the facts. And I'd find it very hard to believe that all of the more than 600,000 viewers SV lost between "Promise" and "Combat" live in the Chicago area.

Oh, here's an interesting tidbit. "Freak," which was pre-empted in a major market, got higher ratings than "Promise," which wasn't.

It would be interesting to be able to see what "Freak'" numbers would've been without the pre-emption.

[Best Episode - 321]

Freak was the last episode in a run of 6 straight new episodes.

Hydro - 1/11/07
Justice - 1/18/07
Labyrinth - 1/25/07
Crimson - 2/1/07
Trespass - 2/8/07
Freak - 2/15/07

Meaning it had viewers used to watching Smallville.

Promise getting lower ratings then Freak doesn't mean much. It did get lower ratings, but the circumstances surrounding the episodes were different.
One Promise was the first new episode in a month (which makes Hydro the more appropriate episode rating to compare it with) and aired against the NCAA tournament. If you remember correctly, Promise received the highest female demo rating in Smallville history.

In regards to the preemptions, Freak was preempted in Indianapolis (#25 market) and Lexington (#63).

Combined total households = 1,544,070

In preemptions of Combat and Progeny, both were preempted in Chicago (#3 market)

Total Households = 3,455,020

This is a significantly higher number of households preempted than Freak had preempted. Does this explain the entire drop in ratings, NO, but any individual with common sense can see that Promise is not solely to blame for the ratings decrease in Combat and Progeny.

As far as I know, there are no preemptions this week so we should be able to get a better grasp of what the ratings will be for the last three episodes.

As Kryptonian-Ronin stated earlier, it is better to look at the bigger season picture compared to individual episodes. The individual ratings just help provide the background information we need to grasp the big picture.

Season 6 Average - 4.69 million viewers an episode.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
This is a significantly higher number of households preempted than Freak had preempted. Does this explain the entire drop in ratings, NO, but any individual with common sense can see that Promise is not solely to blame for the ratings decrease in Combat and Progeny.

One, I think I have a fair amount of common sense. And I never said the drop in ratings was all due to "Promise." In fact, in the ratings thread for "Combat," I listed several factors I thought played a part.

But do I think dissatisfaction over "Promise" played a significant part. Yes, I do. You can't look at the reactions to that episode, online and off, and not think it would have some kind of impact on the ratings. That, too, is just plain old common sense.

[98chase]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I could write a long list of episodes that supposedly drove fans away if we're going to assume that the previous episode *always* effects the ratings, and much of that list would be filled with fan favorites.

Actually, I'm just bored enough to do it, so here goes:



By the logic that if the ratings dropped it was because the previous episode(s) were bad we have these episodes "sucking":

Zod
Wither
Fallout
Static
Justice
Labyrinth
Crimson
Freak
Promise
Combat

And these episodes being good since the ratings rose for the following episodes:

Sneeze
Arrow
Rage
Subterranean
Hydro
Trespass

Now in the list of those that "sucked" we only have a few that are widely regarded as "bad" episodes:

Wither
Static
(Promise) - Promise is in quotes because quite frankly it isn't widely regarded as sucking, it is an episode that is very split down the middle and once again falls into the spell of "those that don't like it speak loudest of all."

And in the list of episodes that were supposedly "good" because the episodes following them rose in ratings, we have a most noteworthy one:

Subterranean

Now I liked Subterranean, but it's most certainly not widely regarded as a "good" episode.

And you'll notice that the episodes have truly been declining since Justice since we only had a slight increase with Freak. The only two incredibly low numbers share two things in common - hiatus and pre-emptions. pre-emptions are the two major factors that don't count towards the other low-rated episodes so it stands to reason the pre-emptions *are* a major reason for those episodes being lower-than-average.

With your reasoning of the ratings decreasing because of a specific episode, then it stands to reason based on that list that Justice was the episode that drove viewers away, Justice the fan favorite. One episode effects ratings from week-to-week, it does not effect the overall ratings for the rest of the season. The vendetta against Promise is both weak and boring. But at least it's not as bad as the vendetta against Reckoning, as you all have yet to come up with a "clever" name that will be overused for years to come.

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[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Routh
Promise was not pre-empted.

I nor anyone else claimed Promise was pre-empted. We're talking about the ratings dip after Promise.


I'm not ignoring the pre-emptions, just stating the facts. And I'd find it very hard to believe that all of the more than 600,000 viewers SV lost between "Promise" and "Combat" live in the Chicago area.

Oh, here's an interesting tidbit. "Freak," which was pre-empted in a major market, got higher ratings than "Promise," which wasn't.

It would be interesting to be able to see what "Freak'" numbers would've been without the pre-emption.

You seem to be ignoring lots of facts and lots of people stating the facts, actually. Chicago - larger market pre-emption, Combat - second episode after return from hiatus following a good episode that did not appeal to the anti-Clana crowd, Progeny - 1st episode on a return from hiatus *and* was pre-empted in the major market of Chicago.

You note I address the issue that Promise did not appeal to anti-Clana fans *as well as* acknowledging the pre-emption. The anti-Clana crowd not watching would have caused a slight ratings dip already, and you couple that with Progeny returning from hiatus and being pre-empted in Chicago, then you have an explanation of ratings. You can say "Promise sucked so the ratings dropped" all you want but it won't make Promise to blame for the ratings drop either way.


Season 6 Average - 4.69 million viewers an episode.

And considering The CW as a network is a pretty big flub, I'd say they're probably pretty ecstatic about Smallville's ratings. The thing to remember when talking about The CW's ratings is we don't really have any other networks like it to compare it to. They combined one marginally successful network (WB) with a failing network (UPN), put out very few new interesting shows, and didn't even retain all of the markets that they originally had as two separate networks. There's pretty much no denying that Season 7 will happen and they're even talking about Season 8. If the ratings were as bad as some seem to think they are in these threads, the show would be axed for new content in an attempt to gain more viewers.

[skully]

Being from Australia, the only TV viewing options we have are 3 commercial channels (7, 9 and 10 - the latter carries Smallville but is not currently showing it), 2 Govt channels (ABC and SBS), and Foxtel/Optus (which shows Smallville on Fox 8 - screening Exodus this Saturday).

I note on the K-site News page SV (Progeny) ranked #6. So 6th out of how many? Are there other networks like CW, cable etc?

[MidgardDragon]

I'm not sure if they include cable TV ratings in the rankings for that or not skully. It appears to just be the "network" TV which basically means everyone can get it without having to pay for it (assuming you live in a good area and/or have a good antenna.)

ABC, CBS, and NBC are the "big" networks that pretty much everyone everywhere gets. Fox is probably next down that list followed by The CW which is technically a new network formed by the merger of two old networks that were also not huge ratings grabbers. The CW is also not shown in every market available to ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox. NBC also had two 30 minutes shows in that time slot so technically if that were counted as a one-hour slot Smallville would be number 5.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
You note I address the issue that Promise did not appeal to anti-Clana fans *as well as* acknowledging the pre-emption. The anti-Clana crowd not watching would have caused a slight ratings dip already, and you couple that with Progeny returning from hiatus and being pre-empted in Chicago, then you have an explanation of ratings. You can say "Promise sucked so the ratings dropped" all you want but it won't make Promise to blame for the ratings drop either way.

Actually, I do think the ratings drop can be partly blamed on "Promise" sucking...in some people's opinion. Notice I said partly to blame. As I mentioned in the post you seemed to have ignored, I think the ratings for "Combat" were affected by a lot of things. I even made a list in the "Combat" ratings thread. And here it is.

There are always many different factors that go into the ratings. But I happen to think that "Combat" had a lot of different factors taking chunks out of the ratings.

1. Basketball took a chunk.

2. The fact that some viewers outright disliked "Promise" enough not to want to see the next episode took a chunk.

3. The time of year took a chunk. (When the weather first starts to warm up, some people choose to go out rather than stay home and watch TV.)

4. General viewer dissatisfaction took a chunk.

5. Lack of promotion took a chunk.

And all of these chunks added up to a pretty big dip in the ratings.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Actually, I do think the ratings drop can be partly blamed on "Promise" sucking...in some people's opinion. Notice I said partly to blame. As I mentioned in the post you seemed to have ignored, I think the ratings for "Combat" were affected by a lot of things. I even made a list in the "Combat" ratings thread. And here it is.

There are always many different factors that go into the ratings. But I happen to think that "Combat" had a lot of different factors taking chunks out of the ratings.

1. Basketball took a chunk.

2. The fact that some viewers outright disliked "Promise" enough not to want to see the next episode took a chunk.

3. The time of year took a chunk. (When the weather first starts to warm up, some people choose to go out rather than stay home and watch TV.)

4. General viewer dissatisfaction took a chunk.

5. Lack of promotion took a chunk.

And all of these chunks added up to a pretty big dip in the ratings.


You're basically saying the same thing I did. I acknowledged the crowd that didn't like Promise helping the ratings drop, as well as the other factors. You're saying what I've been saying all along, that more than just the previous episode goes into ratings, even though the previous episode does have some effect.

My point is that the larger-than-average ratings dip is not to blame on Promise, as we have clear indications that pre-emptions were the cause for the larger-than-average dip. Were Combat and Progeny to have aired un-preempted then we would have still had a drop based on the anti-Clana-Clexana-Lexana/anti-ship crowd's dislike of the episode, but nowhere near the same size.

[boywithbluehanger]

Wow. (and I'm REALLY late for in saying this) The ratings sucked majorly! Of course I for one thought Lynda Carter's acting was quite poor for the standard of the show. However I don't believe this is the reaosn for the episode being rated so poorly.

It's probably has a lot more to do with the fact that most of SV's viewers watch for Clark, then Lex. A Chloe-centered episode is not as exciting or fun as watching Clark in action or as dramatic as Lex being devious. I hope they're through with the Chloe episodes now.

[skully]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I'm not sure if they include cable TV ratings in the rankings for that or not skully. It appears to just be the "network" TV which basically means everyone can get it without having to pay for it (assuming you live in a good area and/or have a good antenna.)

ABC, CBS, and NBC are the "big" networks that pretty much everyone everywhere gets. Fox is probably next down that list followed by The CW which is technically a new network formed by the merger of two old networks that were also not huge ratings grabbers. The CW is also not shown in every market available to ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox. NBC also had two 30 minutes shows in that time slot so technically if that were counted as a one-hour slot Smallville would be number 5. Thanks MD.

[HoHumOne]

It's interesting to me that the last two SV episodes, both pre-empted in Chicago, had almost identical numbers. None of the remaining episodes in this season will be pre-empted in Chicago. If the next episode, Nemesis, racks up a 4.5 or higher rating, the evidence will mount that the far & away #1 reason for the drop in both Combat and Progeny ratings was for these two Chicago pre-emptions; not because of dissatisfaction with Lana/Clana, not Chloe hate, not 'too much fighting w/ wrestling stars' hate, nor every other reason floated in the forum for their lower numbers.

The evidence will grow stronger should the remaining episodes of this season remain in the same 4.5 - 5 rating territory of (most) every episode up to and including Promise, none of which were pre-empted in Chicago. Then maybe we can finally put the issue to bed. yea, I know I know.. I'm dreaming before even getting tucked in to said bed. :D

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321

In regards to the preemptions, Freak was preempted in Indianapolis (#25 market) and Lexington (#63).

Combined total households = 1,544,070

In preemptions of Combat and Progeny, both were preempted in Chicago (#3 market)

Total Households = 3,455,020

This is a significantly higher number of households preempted than Freak had preempted. Does this explain the entire drop in ratings, NO, but any individual with common sense can see that Promise is not solely to blame for the ratings decrease in Combat and Progeny.


People should list sources when giving out numbers.

www.nielsenmedia.com

RANK Designated Market Area (DMA) TV Homes % of US
1 New York 7,366,950 6.616
2 Los Angeles 5,611,110 5.039
3 Chicago 3,455,020 3.103
4 Philadelphia 2,941,450 2.642
5 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,383,570 2.141
6 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,378,660 2.136
7 Boston (Manchester) 2,372,030 2.130
8 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,272,120 2.041
9 Atlanta 2,205,510 1.981
10 Houston 1,982,120 1.780
11 Detroit 1,938,320 1.741
12 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,755,750 1.577
13 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,725,000 1.549
14 Seattle-Tacoma 1,724,450 1.549
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,678,430 1.507

[AngelaV]

Weird, I would've thought "Wonder Woman" would draw in a lot more viewers :).
I watch the show no matter what. Too bad I can't be counted living in Canada.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by AngelaV
Weird, I would've thought "Wonder Woman" would draw in a lot more viewers :).
I watch the show no matter what. Too bad I can't be counted living in Canada.

Well, for one Wonder Woman is something of a nostalgic character, not exactly big with young audiences where Smallville draws many of it's viewers. I never expected her to be a big draw other than for drawing in female fans and older fans that wouldn't usually watch.

And don't forget about that pre-emption. ;)