Could it be Clark's Baby?

[imscotty]

I have to agree with the fact that since Lex is crying at the end, it seems unlikely that all of the events were pre-determined in a Lexian scheme.

My theory, albeit almost surely wrong, is this:

somehow Clark knocked up Lana, i'm pretty sure they had sex not too long before Lana started dating Lex. Lex assumes the baby is his, but then realizes it's Clarks. this is why he brings the Doc in, to help get her to miscarry without it seeming like it's Lex' fault.

My main reasoning for this is from the very end of Combat. Lex is crying, and the picture of the fetus has a giant heap of black hair on his head. my first inclination was that it had to be Clark's, since it more or less looked like they photoshoppped Clark's hair onto the fetus.


I'm not looking forward to waiting a month to find out just how wrong (or maybe right?) I am.....

[Honey45]

Check out the spoiler section of the message boards to find out what's going on with the baby.

I will tell you this. It's not Clark's baby.

Clark and Lana had sex while Johnthan Kent was alive.
We found out a few episodes that Johnthan Kent died a year ago.

If the baby was Clark's, Lana would have given birth to it by now. Pregnancies only last 9 months.


Also: I think Lex was crying because, no matter how evil he is, and no matter how much he does or doesn't love Lana, I think he felt bad for her at the end of the episode.
Losing a baby is one of the hardest things a woman can go through, especially at Lana's young age. Lex saw how depressed she was and I think he sincerely felt bad.

(Some people say Lex was faking feeling bad to trick Lana, but usually on Smallville if someone's faking something, they look at/towards the camera witha smirk or a look other than the one they are trying to pretend to have. Like when Lana turned her cheek not to kiss Lex, she looked towards the camera and looked disgusted)

[SSJConan]

Lana and Clark haven't had sex since before Clark was revived by Jor-El in "Hidden" and they never will again, period. Also, because Clark's body was revived/rewound to right when he had his powers stripped (clearly noticeable in the way his body and clothing appear, though his memories as a mortal are intact), he's physically a virgin again. Clark even mentions in a later episode, "Fanatic", that he and Lana hadn't slept together since he was returned his Kryptonian status. As a Kryptonian, Clark/Kal-El is destined for Lois Lane and Lois Lane only, that's one thing Al/Miles haven't gotten wrong. Lana isn't the one, no matter how long it's dragged out by having Clark hopelessly believe they're "destined to be together", deciding not to sleep with her as he truly is and subsequently ending the relationship is proof of that.

[Kreukie]

How the heck is he physically a virgin? a guy can't physically become a virgin. Either he did or didn't have sex,

A woman on the other hand, it can be take back physically.

[Merlindamage]

Yeah...and also, you have to look at the fact that Lex was not crying at the end. It did not even look as though he wanted to cry.

[SSJConan]

Originally posted by Kreukie
How the heck is he physically a virgin? a guy can't physically become a virgin. Either he did or didn't have sex,

A woman on the other hand, it can be take back physically.

His body was restored to how it was when he was stripped his powers after defeating Nam-Ek and Atheyer, which is obvious when you notice he's wearing the clothing he had on in Arrival. "Lion-El" obviously did something similar to when Clark uses that one-time crystal to rewind time in "Reckoning", only Clark himself was "rewound" to right when his powers were stripped. Lionel also may've undergone this process, as he was seen wearing the same cloths he had on when the Water stone shocked him, as well as sporting a shorter looking hair length than when he left the Belle Reeve cell. Jor-El_in_Lionel sped Clark straight to the caves' portal and to the Fortress, he didn't have time to pick up cloths for the both of them along the way and dress up Clark as he was bringing him back to life. So with Clark "rewound" (albeit all memories intact) just as the world is in "Reckoning", he is physically a virgin again.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Merlindamage
Yeah...and also, you have to look at the fact that Lex was not crying at the end. It did not even look as though he wanted to cry.

Actually, Lex was crying at the end. I have no idea why. (Not being spoiled, and being completely confused about this whole storyline.) But, while I don't know why, it's a fact that Lex was crying over the baby for some reason.

[pissedoff]

no no no no no no no no no no and no.

[jazel]

I don't know, the look Lex gives the Doc after telling
Lana she miscarried, was pretty suspcious....lol
maybe he spiked the Sparkling Cider w/ something ? :p
the odds are more in Zod's favor, that he's the daddy...LOL

[dru-zod2501]

you people seriously thought Lex was crying at the end?? I saw that scene and knew it was all Lex faking, he deserves to be the new reigning MB after that. He fooled u too

[ChlarkMe]

Originally posted by dru-zod2501
you people seriously thought Lex was crying at the end?? I saw that scene and knew it was all Lex faking, he deserves to be the new reigning MB after that. He fooled u too

I wondered myself and zoomed in on the video. He wasn't crying crying, but he did shed a tear or two, doesn't mean it was for the baby though. Maybe he feels bad for what he's doing to Lana who knows.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by dru-zod2501
you people seriously thought Lex was crying at the end?? I saw that scene and knew it was all Lex faking, he deserves to be the new reigning MB after that. He fooled u too

Yes, I think he was really crying.

It would be one thing if someone elde had been there. Then you could say he was putting on an act. (Although, I think Lex would think letting someone see him cry, even as an act, would be showing weakness.)

But, since he was all alone, it wasn't like he was trying to fool anyone. So, I do think he was really crying.

[Pete Tha Bo$$ Ross]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Yes, I think he was really crying.

It would be one thing if someone elde had been there. Then you could say he was putting on an act. (Although, I think Lex would think letting someone see him cry, even as an act, would be showing weakness.)

But, since he was all alone, it wasn't like he was trying to fool anyone. So, I do think he was really crying.

He knew that this was going to be terrible for Lana but I don’t think he was ready to see the pain she would actually go through. In Lana’s eyes she just lost her baby, that can emotionally scar someone for life and Lex has to live with the fact that he faked it all just for himself.

[Ardiem3]

Its not Clarks baby and she will never have a baby of Clarks!

[DarthJay]

A tear did roll down Lex's face (from his left eye) as he threw the photo into the fire. Go back and look at it again.

I think the fumes from the chemical reaction of the photopaper with the fire flared up his allergies. Seriously, one of the things the writers have done a really good job of on the show that has been very well executed by M.R. is that Lex wasn't always the "evil robot" we see in the movies. We're seeing less and less of his emotional side the further we get into the series, but I think the tears were the realization that he had completely ruined another person's life for his own gain. Now he probably got over it in a matter of minutes, but I do think he had a genuine "WTF have I done" moment.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by SSJConan
His body was restored to how it was when he was stripped his powers after defeating Nam-Ek and Atheyer, which is obvious when you notice he's wearing the clothing he had on in Arrival. "Lion-El" obviously did something similar to when Clark uses that one-time crystal to rewind time in "Reckoning", only Clark himself was "rewound" to right when his powers were stripped.

You're assuming that Jor-El returned Clark's body exactly how it was before having sex with Lana.

Because if that was the case, if that was really what happened TPTB would had Jor-EL/Clark say so sometime during that time that's what happened to Clark and we wouldn't even be talking about it.

Here's the line from Jor-El:

Your mortal journey is over, yes, but your eminent destiny is too important to sacrifice. You will return with all your natural gifts.

All he did was give Clark back his powers, not return him exactly how he was the day his powers were taken from him, nowhere does it state that.

But if your theory is correct, still Clark isn't a virgin in the sense Clark physically still knows how sex felt and mentally knows he's done it so he's not a virgin to the feeling or the act of it.

Also if Lois didn't wait for Clark why should Clark wait for her? :confused:

[friday]

Originally posted by Kreukie
You're assuming that Jor-El returned Clark's body exactly how it was before having sex with Lana.

If Clark's body was fully restored before he had sex with Lana wouldn't his MEMORY also be reset? Wouldn't that mean that Clark would have some kind of amnesia after Jor-El brougth him back to life?



Also if Lois didn't wait for Clark why should Clark wait for her? :confused:

ITA. It's canon that Clark's first time in this show as with Lana.

[paolinki25]

Are we back to this? :lol: I thought it was clear that whatever Lana had in her womb was NOT Clark's.

[idunowinks]

Originally posted by SSJConan
His body was restored to how it was when he was stripped his powers after defeating Nam-Ek and Atheyer, which is obvious when you notice he's wearing the clothing he had on in Arrival. "Lion-El" obviously did something similar to when Clark uses that one-time crystal to rewind time in "Reckoning", only Clark himself was "rewound" to right when his powers were stripped. Lionel also may've undergone this process, as he was seen wearing the same cloths he had on when the Water stone shocked him, as well as sporting a shorter looking hair length than when he left the Belle Reeve cell. Jor-El_in_Lionel sped Clark straight to the caves' portal and to the Fortress, he didn't have time to pick up cloths for the both of them along the way and dress up Clark as he was bringing him back to life. So with Clark "rewound" (albeit all memories intact) just as the world is in "Reckoning", he is physically a virgin again.

his clothes were distraught because he just took down the missle..clark would wear the same outfit any time anyways..i dont think we were supposed to really guess how he got clothes on. and once ur devirginized, ur devirginized forever.

[SSJConan]

Originally posted by idunowinks
his clothes were distraught because he just took down the missle..clark would wear the same outfit any time anyways..i dont think we were supposed to really guess how he got clothes on. and once ur devirginized, ur devirginized forever.

I wasn't referring to his cloths being torn apart from confronting the missile, I meant when Jor-El revived him in the Fortress, Clark was seen in the exact same clothing he was wearing when he had his first taste of training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiX4x2dJuZU) and subsequently battled Nam-Ek and Atheyer, despite the fact he was in minimal hospital garbs no more than a couple minutes before when Lionel took him straight to the caves' portal. Lionel also seems to have gone under the same incident, he was in Beele Reeve garbs and his hair had grown a little when we see him in his cell, yet suddenly he was back in his business suit and his hair was at a shorter length once Clark was revived. Because of this choice of shooting the scene in which Clark comes back to life, I'm assuming from my point of view that Clark's body was literally "rewound" in the same sense as the world had in "Reckoning", and he retained all memories as a mortal just like he did after choosing to turn back time. Clark's the one character in the show that never gets amnesia, excluding the one incident in "Blank" where Kevin Grady gives him that 24 hour slate, that's because he's the main character who has to live with all the choices and mistakes he makes.

If my theory is right, then Clark technically is physically a virgin, as his body has been restored to a point where it hasn't made love to Lana. Though as said, he does remember the experience of making love, so he knows how it feels and whatnot. As a mortal, he isn't a virgin, but as a Kryptonian, he's as untouched as slab of bad ham. So because he's no longer a mortal, his body being restored to just as it was before he assumed that very short mortal life, he is physically a virgin.

This is all from my own point of view, I really hope I'm making sense with you guys.

[idunowinks]

i see your point of view..i just dont agree with it lol. i think your just reading too much into it. they could have just filmed the scenes at dif. times, which owuld explain lionels hair.. i dont think were supposed to ask questions abotu the clothes. and clark wears the sme clothes all the time..and his body wasnt rewound, it was restored, meaning he just got his powers back. it would be like saying that im not a virgin and then tomorow i got powers, and now i am a virgin because my form has changed.

[chaszer]

Sorry, this dicussion is somewhat absurd. Human males don't undergo a physical change when they lose their virginity. For males, its solely a matter of whether or not he did it yet. Clark is not a virgin.

[SSJConan]

All I'm trying to say is that Clark's body was restored to a point where it has not made love. Mentally, he isn't a virgin, because he knows what it's like and experienced it as a mortal. However, on the physical issue, I just find it kinda hard to grasp "Lion-El" had the time to pick up cloths for both himself and Clark while taking him to the Fortress. Also, note the length of Lionel's hair, it slightly differs between going after Clark's body and when he's next seen. Going from these angles, I'm assuming Clark's body was "rewound" in the same sense the world would later be in "Reckoning" (along with Lionel's), with Clark remembering everything his body technically hasn't undergone yet. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but there are two main reasons for that:

1: The very obvious change in Clark's and Lionel's clothing from their departure of Belle Reeve and the Smallville Medical Center to when Clark's revived, as well as the slight difference in Lionel's hair length - and anyhow, as fast as "Lion-El" was, he couldn't have had time to pick up cloths for both him and Clark in the amount of time and hurry he was at when dashing Clark's body to the Fortress.
2: In any incarnation of Superman, Clark Kent/Kal-El's true first time is in his future with Lois Lane. It doesn't matter if Lois isn't a virgin (just like it didn't in Lois & Clark), Clark is still pure enough to save his true self for Lois, clearly willing to take the "sexual risk" with her that he wasn't with Lana. Al/Miles had to be aware of this, considering they had to go into talks with DC about Clark sleeping with Lana, so they came up with the idea for Clark to do it as a mortal and as a mortal only - leaving it ambiguous as to if Clark's body has been "restored" to the point of when he started his training.

As a mortal/human - Clark Kent is not a virgin. As a Kryptonian - he stays untouched until his true destiny embraces him. You guys happy?

[smallvillechic]

it' NOT CLARK"S BABY!!!!!!!!!!!t !!!!!!!! i know i seems that way but no it is not

[johnshaft]

Originally posted by HeddyH
Check out the spoiler section of the message boards to find out what's going on with the baby.

I will tell you this. It's not Clark's baby.

Clark and Lana had sex while Johnthan Kent was alive.
We found out a few episodes that Johnthan Kent died a year ago.

If the baby was Clark's, Lana would have given birth to it by now. Pregnancies only last 9 months.


Also: I think Lex was crying because, no matter how evil he is, and no matter how much he does or doesn't love Lana, I think he felt bad for her at the end of the episode.
Losing a baby is one of the hardest things a woman can go through, especially at Lana's young age. Lex saw how depressed she was and I think he sincerely felt bad.

(Some people say Lex was faking feeling bad to trick Lana, but usually on Smallville if someone's faking something, they look at/towards the camera witha smirk or a look other than the one they are trying to pretend to have. Like when Lana turned her cheek not to kiss Lex, she looked towards the camera and looked
disgusted)

Agreed! Clark has/had nothing to do with whatever was inside of Lana's womb. Whatever this thing is it was engineered by Lex and his cronies.

I think that Lex's tear(s) at the end of the episode where genuine mainly because there was no one else around. Why would he fake crying then?

Lex is evil and can't stop/help himself. He knows that what he did to Lana is unspeakably wrong, and that given the opportunity he'd probably do it again (despite his feelings for her).

[tibbit78]

Originally posted by imscotty
I have to agree with the fact that since Lex is crying at the end, it seems unlikely that all of the events were pre-determined in a Lexian scheme.

My theory, albeit almost surely wrong, is this:

somehow Clark knocked up Lana, i'm pretty sure they had sex not too long before Lana started dating Lex. Lex assumes the baby is his, but then realizes it's Clarks. this is why he brings the Doc in, to help get her to miscarry without it seeming like it's Lex' fault.

My main reasoning for this is from the very end of Combat. Lex is crying, and the picture of the fetus has a giant heap of black hair on his head. my first inclination was that it had to be Clark's, since it more or less looked like they photoshoppped Clark's hair onto the fetus.



I'm not looking forward to waiting a month to find out just how wrong (or maybe right?) I am.....


I suspected all along that it would be Clark's baby. (I think the doctor told Lex that it wasn't his baby; it was somebody else's). I'm the first Kryptonsite member to say that it was Clark's baby all along. No one would agree with me. Thank God for you, you're the first person from Kryptonsite that actually agrees with me. I think that's why Lex Luthor was crying at the end of the Combat scene, because he knew it'd be Clark's baby, instead of his.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by HeddyH
[B]Check out the spoiler section of the message boards to find out what's going on with the baby.

I will tell you this. It's not Clark's baby.



That is just your opinion.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I will never get tired of that theory...
:rolleyes:

[jcore0429]

I know this is a long shot but did anyone consider the baby was Superboy/Connor Kent, or at least a prototype? Think about it, in the comics Connor is a blend of Clark and Lex's DNA. With all the time Lex has spent around Kryptonians its not impossible for him to get a sample of their DNA. Remember Lexs' dream in Promise? He was terrified of that baby, did you see the eyes?

Why was it put in Lana? To keep her around, with Lana pregnant she would pretty much have to stay with Lex, and he could keep an eye on her. He could have used her as an incubator until she married him and now that she has, he knocked her out and had the baby transfered, or it really died.

I know my theory is a longshot but the more I watch the more Im convinced. any response is welcome.

[SpeedDemon77]

Originally posted by SSJConan
Lana and Clark haven't had sex since before Clark was revived by Jor-El in "Hidden" and they never will again, period.

Wrong, delusional or both?


BOTH. :lol:

No need to tell me to read your post above. I did....and my decision still stands. Al and Miles said that they only used the Clark turning "mortal" route in order for him to lose his virginity without having to delve into the deeper issue at the time of whether Clark can or can't have sex with a human female while he has his powers or what it might do to her physically. Meaning his virginity is long gone. And yes, he lost it...to Lana, not Lois. Having his body restored of its powers really has nothing to do with it....not when the act was already done.

And later we'll find that Clark actually CAN have sex with a human female while he has his powers. ;)

[Peat Moss]

I don't think the baby died, because Lex seemed to have the miscarriage planned. The "sparkling cider", him looking at his watch right as Lana collapsed. I think he transferred the baby.