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Jetta

03-22-2007, 10:56 PM

So, this episode showed me that the instant Lana was taken out of the picture, Clark sprung into action, stopping criminals and taking on a Zoner and winning on his own for the first time. Now I don't think Lana would ever tell Clark not to be a hero solely for her sake, but I think that Clark's desire to be with her has been holding him back.

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 10:59 PM

YES. I mean look at Clark how proactive he got second half of season 5 beginning of season 6 everything without the Clana....he's like Martha said "A whole other person." And MUCH more proactive and Superhero like imo. Now he's j gotta let go, and learn he can be BOTH human AND Kryptonian..embrace both sides of himself and drop the Lana moping! Ahhh i love this episode!

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Jetta
So, this episode showed me that the instant Lana was taken out of the picture, Clark sprung into action, stopping criminals and taking on a Zoner and winning on his own for the first time. Now I don't think Lana would ever tell Clark not to be a hero solely for her sake, but I think that Clark's desire to be with her has been holding him back.

I couldn't AGREE MORE:). . .Lana has DEFINITELY held Clark back from embracing his destiny:eek:. . .She represents the "normal" life that he wants to lead:rolleyes:. . .That's why he's SO OBSESSED with her:rolleyes:. . .Chloe, on the other hand, represents his heroic side:D. . .She encourages him to be a HERO;). . .She doesn't hold him back;). . .What's so sad, though, is that even though he appears to be "focusing" on MORE important things, he is STILL caught up in his Lana fantasy:rolleyes:. . .Of course, it will take him sometime to officially move on from her, BUT I don't want Clark to continue to do flip-flops with his destiny:mad:. . .He needs to get over Lana and move on to MORE important things:)

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 11:04 PM

Yes. That was interesting, wasn't it?!?
:D

hassenmorad

03-22-2007, 11:06 PM

Yes, definitely. He even aknowledged that in his conversation with his mother.

imafan411

03-22-2007, 11:08 PM

I did see it in this episode that Lana could be the cause of Clarks hesitation with denying who he is. With Lana out of the way he seemed to embrace who he was. He was out saving people of the world in less than a week. I feel that Lana definetly is a big percent of why Clark has been non--heroish lately.

meggy

03-22-2007, 11:09 PM

correcto...but i'm slightly annoyed that the Lexana marriage was the main thing that caused this "revelation" for him:mad:

as opposed to.......JK death?...Raya death?....:\

paolinki25

03-22-2007, 11:11 PM

Pretty much. That's one of the many reasons why I'm against a Clana romance again. Clark becomes a totally different person around her.

svfan50

03-22-2007, 11:12 PM

Jetta

03-22-2007, 11:13 PM

You know the really stupid thing is that Promise showed that Lana wouldn't tell Clark to not be a hero (to me atleast). Now I know that Lionel said she couldn't mention their discussion to Clark or he dies, but that doesn't mean she couldn't tell him that she knows, then we'd have Clark atleast realizing that life doesn't mean Lana OR powers. But, if he is going to stay all proactive, then keep Lana away as long as possible.

Bonita_LovesSuperman

03-22-2007, 11:20 PM

Lana hasnt held back Clark from his destiny, and lana is a main reason why he went all angry when he battled Titan..

(Clark is "distraught over Lana's marriage to Lex,". That explains why he'll just enter the ring without thinking, too)

Thats why he went angry, he was so upset, so he wanted fight someone... Clark isnt even ready to become superman yet, its not even season 7, So lana isnt holding him back:) if it was middle of season 7 and she did something stupid, i would agree that she was holding clark back, but we have to wait what happens:D..

meteor

03-22-2007, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Jetta
Now I don't think Lana would ever tell Clark not to be a hero solely for her sake, but I think that Clark's desire to be with her has been holding him back.

I agree with this part of your statement. Lana herself hasn't held him back..how can she have held him back when she didn't even know his secret until last week?

Clark has held himself back.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Jetta
Now I don't think Lana would ever tell Clark not to be a hero solely for her sake.....
Well, AU-Lana kinda did - in Labyrinth, no???

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by meteor
I agree with this part of your statement. Lana herself hasn't held him back..how can she have held him back when she didn't even know his secret until last week?

Clark has held himself back.

I agree, I don't think after Promise that the Lana in *that* episode would hold him back from his destiny. Tptb could change it at their digression of course but I think Clark's believing that he had to be human to be with her just proves he doesn't love her like he thinks he does. He loves the idea of her. He is so very immature in this way. IMHO

Bonita_LovesSuperman

03-22-2007, 11:41 PM

Labyrinth was his imagination, the zoner did everything to make him go to him...

Well Lana is Clarks young Love, and thats smallville:D... and he didnt no he was going to lose his powers, he just wanted to save Lana then go to Jor-el(Epi 1. Season5):D

BABarracus

03-22-2007, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
I couldn't AGREE MORE:). . .Lana has DEFINITELY held Clark back from embracing his destiny:eek:. . .She represents the "normal" life that he wants to lead:rolleyes:. . .That's why he's SO OBSESSED with her:rolleyes:. . .Chloe, on the other hand, represents his heroic side:D. . .She encourages him to be a HERO;). . .She doesn't hold him back;). . .What's so sad, though, is that even though he appears to be "focusing" on MORE important things, he is STILL caught up in his Lana fantasy:rolleyes:. . .Of course, it will take him sometime to officially move on from her, BUT I don't want Clark to continue to do flip-flops with his destiny:mad:. . .He needs to get over Lana and move on to MORE important things:)

think they allready went over this a few episode ago when the zoner took over his mind

chlark=destiny

03-23-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by meggy
correcto...but i'm slightly annoyed that the Lexana marriage was the main thing that caused this "revelation" for him:mad:

as opposed to.......JK death?...Raya death?....:\

TRUE:(. . .If JK's death didn't make him REALIZE that Lana is BAD for him, then ANYONE else, who is close to him, that dies due to him protecting her would be sacrificed as well in the name of Lana:(

Originally posted by Bonita_LovesSuperman
Lana hasnt held back Clark from his destiny, and lana is a main reason why he went all angry when he battled Titan..

(Clark is "distraught over Lana's marriage to Lex,". That explains why he'll just enter the ring without thinking, too)

Thats why he went angry, he was so upset, so he wanted fight someone... Clark isnt even ready to become superman yet, its not even season 7, So lana isnt holding him back:) if it was middle of season 7 and she did something stupid, i would agree that she was holding clark back, but we have to wait what happens:D..

WHAT?:eek:. . .Respectfully, I have to DISAGREE:). . .Didn't you watch "Labyrinth," "Mortal," "Reckoning," ect.?:eek:, and all of the OTHER countless episodes, where it CLEARLY showed that Clark denies his destiny, so that he can have a "normal" life with Lana?:confused: :eek: :\

idunowinks

03-23-2007, 11:27 AM

ever since the begininng, when him and lex were friends they always had the destiny talk, and they both seemed scared to face there destiny. i dont think clark knew what itt was, and i still dont think he knows what his destiny is, none of us do, and it makes us scared, so hes looking at it like, i know and love lana and wnat her in my future, his other choice is to leave her and face this unknown destiny, which he doesnt even know what it is, but thinking its something crazy cuz hes not even from this planet. hes been told his destiny was to help people, but he also thought it was to conquer this planet... if this makes any sence, i just wkoe up like 20 minutes ago my brain isnt fully awake yet..

freefall

03-23-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Jetta
So, this episode showed me that the instant Lana was taken out of the picture, Clark sprung into action, stopping criminals and taking on a Zoner and winning on his own for the first time. Now I don't think Lana would ever tell Clark not to be a hero solely for her sake, but I think that Clark's desire to be with her has been holding him back.

Like someone else on another forum has so rightfully pointed out, Clark was on the right track but totally on the wrong train. Him going all out stopping crimes and freaks has little to do with him wanting to actively help out simply because he wanted to, the major motivation is definitely anger over Lexana, and Lana's decision itself. Not to mention he roughed up all those bad guys in the process to take out his anger. Clark is doing the right things, but he still has a long way to go before he could be called as a genuine hero.

So I'd have to say Lana is still holding him back in a way, since he obviously hasn't let go of Lana and the past. But IMO ultimately it's Clark himself who's holding himself back. Jonathan's death should be more than enough to spur him on, but still there's not much change after Reckoning. His priority is still moping for Lana, instead of actively tracking down Milton Fine.

Fly by guy

03-23-2007, 12:07 PM

So what everyone is saying is for Clark to move on? Will that mean more horrible episodes like Combat? Even fighting Zod was anti-climatic because we ALL know who is eventually going to win. The only thing I look forward to now is Lex getting "his" for the little pregnancy/wedding ploy. SV would become too one-diminsional if all Clark did was rescue and fight.

darkone

03-23-2007, 01:31 PM

Let me get this straight so you rather have a Clark Kent ready to kill someone "with his bare hands" to handle his frustrating situation with Lana than have a more emo!Clark who is actually thinking about what he's doing?Sorry that's not the CK I want to see.Future Superman shouldnt act that way.It was kinda interesting what anger his feelings for Lana could unleash though.I havent seen this reaction after Alicia died.

samanta

03-23-2007, 01:38 PM

I don't think Lana was holding him back. Clark was holding himself back when he was with and without Lana. I have never seen Lana holding him back. It' only Clark's doing, he's grown man.

blackcelebration

03-23-2007, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by darkone
Let me get this straight so you rather have a Clark Kent ready to kill someone "with his bare hands" to handle his frustrating situation with Lana than have a more emo!Clark who is actually thinking about what he's doing?Sorry that's not the CK I want to see.Future Superman shouldnt act that way.It was kinda interesting what anger his feelings for Lana could unleash though.I havent seen this reaction after Alicia died.

After Alcia died Clark was willing to kill the person responsible with his bare hands. It was only Lois's intervention that stopped him doing this!!!

petewillreturn

03-23-2007, 02:01 PM

I think it is Clark that is holding himself back. He is making that choice. Clark has kept himself to long where he shouldn’t be. Hopefully he will learn from this that there is more to this world than his feelings for Lana and that there are other people out there that need him. If he doesn’t the next person he meets will become his new Lana too.

msleggie

03-23-2007, 02:17 PM

I don't think it's Lana that holding Clark back, it's the dream or notion of having a normal life with Lana that is holding Clark back. As soon as Clark realizes that he's not meant to be with Lana and that he is meant for bigger and better things than Smallville, then he'll be ready to move on and become the man we all know he can be.

Ania

03-23-2007, 02:28 PM

Clark is holding himself back, because Lana holds his balls. Once Lana's out of the picture, Clark IS fighting crime and getting rid of alien warriors. You'd have to be blind to not see it. You're free of the Pink Princess, Clark. Spread your wings and fly, man! :D

CLanaF23

03-23-2007, 03:01 PM

WOW its soooooo clarks decision not to do the whole fghting for what is right thing....lana aint held him back...

msleggie

03-23-2007, 07:20 PM

that's what's so sickening, knowing that clark is holding on to this girl that in my opinion could care less about him. She's says she loves him, but actions speak louder that words. As far as clark knows, she married lex after telling him that she wasn't. Clark needs to let go of this fantasy that him and lana are going to be a happy family.

newfamfan

03-23-2007, 07:46 PM

I don't think Lana is holding him back. Clark is and will always..even as Superman... crave the normal life. Lana Lang will always represent that to Clark even as the adult Superman.

Lana doesn't hold Clark back. He is holding himself back at this point. He has not yet found the balance between Kryptonian and Human. When he finds that balance he will be Superman.

This episode was not closer to being Superman no more than Promise.

I believe with all my heart once Lana and Clark get over this obstacle that she will be his link to accepting both parts of himself. Then and only then will a sacrifice of their love for the world make Clark Kent into Superman. Both will learn to love and accept this destiny...but both Promise and Combat was showing Lana Lang was the link to both sides....and eventually, Clark will know how to balance those sides of himself...and I truly believe this show is showing Lana will be the one to help him reach that balance...chloe and martha as well .....but Lana will be the romantic part of his heart to show Clark he must accept himself before moving on. Superman is not coldhearted like the Combat Clark ..he is not purely acting on human emotions as Promise. He is the combination of the two. Lana Lang was the center of both the feelings of these two Clarks...both opposite ends of the spectrum that needs to meet in the middle.

Loislvesclark

03-23-2007, 07:54 PM

I think Lana longing is definitely holding Clark back, but I don't really think that this episode is the best example of that. Everything he was doing was still out of reaction to Lana's marriage. He still wants to find out why she did it, and he only turned off his emotions because he figures if he can't have her he doesn't want to feel anything. One ray of light was the fact that he still showed a lot of concern over Lois in this episode. The thing that brought this episode down for me was Lana's aspect of the story line (not about the baby, that's actually interesting, but about Clark wanting her and blah blah blah).

Whenever he does let Lana go he is definitely more proactive and free to be himself. In several past episodes (like the one where Clark was shot, and died) Lana said she always knew that would happen and that's why she couldn't be with him wholely, etc. She basically said that him being a hero prevented her from being able to truely be with him, and is why thier relationship only "worked" when he was fully human. And he was fully willing to give up his abilites to help the world for a chance to be normal with Lana. I understand that he wanted to be normal, but it always struck me as selfish of him. I liked the fact that Chloe would say things like "The world didn't ask to be the kind of place that needs heroes, but that's the world we live in" when Clark would complain about not asking to have his abilities.

Anyway, I rambled enough.

Kreukie

03-23-2007, 07:54 PM

Superman in Superman Returns was moping over Lois Lane, spying on her family life with Richard, it wasn't until he heard Lois say she didn't love him that he was recalling the words of Jor-El that he's not human and never will be before taking flight to fight crime.

This is Clark post Smallville, post Lana Lang, post his training, post doing his travel, post already working at the Planet and so on.

So if even at 30 he's still moping about how he can't live the normal human life with the woman he loves and has to remind himself he's not human so he can push himself to do things for the planet earth, why the heck is it a problem 10 years earlier when he's not even wearing the cape?

As someone said, every form of Superman I've ever seen Clark has always craved the normal life as a human and it's due to mostly because his feelings for Lois Lane.

Now it's due to his feelings of Lana Lang.

The only thing that's holding Clark back is having human emotions.

BABarracus

03-23-2007, 11:35 PM

freefall

03-24-2007, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Kreukie
Superman in Superman Returns was moping over Lois Lane, spying on her family life with Richard, it wasn't until he heard Lois say she didn't love him that he was recalling the words of Jor-El that he's not human and never will be before taking flight to fight crime.

This is Clark post Smallville, post Lana Lang, post his training, post doing his travel, post already working at the Planet and so on.

So if even at 30 he's still moping about how he can't live the normal human life with the woman he loves and has to remind himself he's not human so he can push himself to do things for the planet earth, why the heck is it a problem 10 years earlier when he's not even wearing the cape?

As someone said, every form of Superman I've ever seen Clark has always craved the normal life as a human and it's due to mostly because his feelings for Lois Lane.

Now it's due to his feelings of Lana Lang.

The only thing that's holding Clark back is having human emotions.

Every form of Superman? Which forms are these exactly? Nothing's wrong with wanting to live a normal life, he just wanted to become a football star in S4 and that's his right, but what irks me is the way he keeps complaining about his abilities. Why can't he get into his head that he can definitely live a normal life while feeling blessed with his own powers and putting them to good use?

As far as I know, the latest continuity of the comics have never shown Clark to be a mopey or whiny brat just because of a female, specifically Lois Lane. He honestly enjoys his work as a reporter, he has his own hobbies and interests, and he's truly happy when he goes out there and actively helping people. He doesn't go spout off nonsensical stuff such as "I'm all alone in the world, pity me", "My powers are a curse" and so on and so forth.

His love for Lois is boundless yes, but not to the point it simply blinds him. Clark is someone I'd imagine who'd do what Oliver himself has said in Justice, there are more important things in this world than what he wanted and what he loved. And not to mention Lois is also a woman who'd understand that, who'd support him instead of holding him back.

The movies are simply an interpretation of the directors and their writers, they shouldn't be taken as solid proof that it's not unusual for Superman to mope and whine about having a "normal life" and the girl who got away. Heck, the whole pesky and clumsy Clark is way outdated already, for years now Clark has always been an intelligent, confident, capable, matured and very earnest guy with the biggest heart anyone could ever have. Clark is the real person, Superman is just the disguise unlike in the movies, where they have it the other way round.

Peat Moss

03-24-2007, 07:40 AM

The one thing we really haven't seen recently in Clark is genuinely wanting to save people--even people he doesn't know at all. I'd like to see his motivation not be anger over a girl, or his human emotions, but out of actually wanting to do the right thing.
I personally don't think Superman is defided by his emotions. Emotions are volatile and subject to change on a whim. Superman is defined by doing the right thing, and caring for the people of earth. This kind of selfless love is not an emotion, it is an attitude. It doesn't change based on his mood at the moment. It remains constant because its the right thing to do.

BABarracus

03-24-2007, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Every form of Superman? Which forms are these exactly? Nothing's wrong with wanting to live a normal life, he just wanted to become a football star in S4 and that's his right, but what irks me is the way he keeps complaining about his abilities. Why can't he get into his head that he can definitely live a normal life while feeling blessed with his own powers and putting them to good use?

As far as I know, the latest continuity of the comics have never shown Clark to be a mopey or whiny brat just because of a female, specifically Lois Lane. He honestly enjoys his work as a reporter, he has his own hobbies and interests, and he's truly happy when he goes out there and actively helping people. He doesn't go spout off nonsensical stuff such as "I'm all alone in the world, pity me", "My powers are a curse" and so on and so forth.

His love for Lois is boundless yes, but not to the point it simply blinds him. Clark is someone I'd imagine who'd do what Oliver himself has said in Justice, there are more important things in this world than what he wanted and what he loved. And not to mention Lois is also a woman who'd understand that, who'd support him instead of holding him back.

The movies are simply an interpretation of the directors and their writers, they shouldn't be taken as solid proof that it's not unusual for Superman to mope and whine about having a "normal life" and the girl who got away. Heck, the whole pesky and clumsy Clark is way outdated already, for years now Clark has always been an intelligent, confident, capable, matured and very earnest guy with the biggest heart anyone could ever have. Clark is the real person, Superman is just the disguise unlike in the movies, where they have it the other way round.
sort of like how they say bruce wayned is batmans disguise

SmallvilleFan2001

03-25-2007, 09:31 AM

Clark's desire to lead a normal human life is what holds him back. Lana just happens to be the symbol for what he would have if he was normal. Once Clark is aware that she knows his secret, there is no going back. He will never be able to have the normal life he always will want and then he can move on.

last man of krypton

03-25-2007, 09:36 AM

jor-eldeux

03-25-2007, 12:51 PM

What I don't get is this - why in the world does the "Green Arrow" get the character lines - i.e. "things more important than what I love," etc. IMHO - these writers (and the Return screen play) are all making Kal-El human. I hate to break it to you - He's Not!

Oh and one more thing - the original TV Superman never pined over anybody - he was always Superman first, Clark Kent second. Clark was a tool. Lois and Clark had a professional relationship - a close personal relationship.

THAT Superman and the comics had the character of this schmow's Green Arrow. This Clark-boy (all due respect to TW) does not.

DeesRyche

03-25-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
I agree, I don't think after Promise that the Lana in *that* episode would hold him back from his destiny. Tptb could change it at their digression of course but I think Clark's believing that he had to be human to be with her just proves he doesn't love her like he thinks he does. He loves the idea of her. He is so very immature in this way. IMHO

Couldn't agree with you more....