Discuss Lois's Investigative Approach [Archive] - Page 2

myankskent

03-22-2007, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Clearly, that's not even close to relating to the point I made. You're twisting my words.

Having inclinations to gank info from her cousin doesn't sound like a Lois Lane thing to do. Not on my end. And the real issue, as I've already said, is that EDLois was so desperate, she was begging. Begging her reporter cousin to throw her a bone so she could keep her job. That definitely doesn't sound like Lois Lane to me, or any other capable journalist for that matter.

The fact that she couldn't even muster up an article for a rag like The Inquisitor makes me suspect of her talents to begin with, but that's a subjective observation I suppose.

To me, all it shows is struggle from Lois' character. She got some front page stories right away and now she was having trouble. So the bottom line here, and this is not to address your post, just to make a general statement, is that if Lois gets front page stories, it's a lightswitch and unrealistic but if she's shown to struggle and really feel the heat from her editor, it's not Lois Lane like.

SnarkMasterJ

03-22-2007, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by thehenry89
excuse me, but when did chloe write any article about the green arrow. she withheld that information for her own reasons. reasons that had little to do with jounalism.

Well she couldn't write anything because Clark erased her files. Happened in the same episode. So really, saying her reasons had little to do with journalism is subjective, since we never get a chance to see what she would've done with those pics. But we saw from the start of the episode that the writers were intentionally pitting the girls against each other. It was obvious.

myankskent

03-22-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Damn English... I swear I can never get what I mean out...

What I meant is that Lois needed this article to keep her job... So it is a blow for Lois... meaning that she was desperate to find a story cause of her job status... blow meaing moving from typical reasons for wrting a story to begging...

get what I am saying now?

Ok, I understand. I just view it as her struggling rather than getting front page story after front page story.

PepSinger

03-22-2007, 08:45 PM

I honestly don't understand the justification of Lois's actions in this episode. She deliberately took a story! One that was not her, and then she begged Chloe for one. Luckily, Clark and Chloe blew her off, but still. It's totally ridiculous.

aqgalaxy

03-22-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Ok, I understand. I just view it as her struggling rather than getting front page story after front page story.

I am not bashing Lois, (I am not saying you stated anything or others just saying a fact) I am trying to tell people why she was desperate looking and the situation she was in

She was close to losing her job... anyone in her shoes would do anything to find a way to keep it...

myankskent

03-22-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
I am not bashing Lois, (I am not saying you stated anything or others just saying a fact) I am trying to tell people why she was desperate looking and the situation she was in

She was close to losing her job... anyone in her shoes would do anything to find a way to keep it...

I totally understand that and I do agree.

thehenry89

03-22-2007, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by PepSinger
I honestly don't understand the justification of Lois's actions in this episode. She deliberately took a story! One that was not her, and then she begged Chloe for one. Luckily, Clark and Chloe blew her off, but still. It's totally ridiculous.

what story? there was no story. what's riddiculus is that lois is being taken to task over removing garbage from her own garbage can. now that's riddiculus.

aqgalaxy

03-22-2007, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I totally understand that and I do agree.

Fantastic :D

meggy

03-22-2007, 08:47 PM

wow...16 pages huh:\ ....

well, for my two cents, for which I know everyone will pounce on me...but what the heck:\ .....

i guess Lauren17 and I are the few who think it wasn't as severe huh...

i consider that scene an utter and complete device by TPTB to get the Chloe vs Lois wars going again...while they rub their hand in glee in the corporate office.....

ppl are hard on Chloe for the GA ring pic...
ppl are hard on Lois for rummaging through the trash....

one thing i say definitively is that obviously NONE of these girls get away with anything, as far as the fans are concerned...none of them get a free pass, and are called on it in these boards either way...

but if we say that it is part of the "business" of journalism and finding stories that two potentially opposing journalists can/should/will do what is necessary to get a story...and that doing so is simply a "trait' of an agressive, driven reporter....then we can't have double standards for the girls can we?..either way....

so: are they both "doing what they need to do" to get their respective stories?...and do we define that as a trait of a successful reporter?

OR:...Not

freefall

03-22-2007, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
she needed this story cause she would have lost her job... I mean this whole article was being motivated because of money....

How does money has anything to do with this? She's still a COS anyway, she definitely has money from that job. And is it a crime if people are desperate to save their jobs to make a living or whatever?

How about Perry White himself? Reduced to booze and tabloid stuff to get money. He was even willing to expose Clark who has been sticking up for him all along, or the way he's so callous with Lana or a teenage Lex just for a story. Is he a bad guy? Of course not, he's just being a damn good reporter even when he's desperate and in the tabloid business.

Originally posted by aqgalaxy

Question is...

What would hav ehappened if she didn't notice the picture?

Go open the Laptop or HEAD to the DP and search it's database again or ask Chloe if she has any lose ends OR team up with her for a story...

Pure speculation.

Originally posted by aqgalaxy

She appears after a what 3 episode absence just to get bashed on sad...

Come on. She gets bashed even in episodes she doesn't appear in.

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Chloe doesn't get a free pass, so there's no double standard. I don't even know why you're bringing that up, since it was never mentioned in this thread, but fine, I'll address it.

She did withhold the information. She withheld information she had to aid her competing story. Something a journalist would do. So it seems to me like the double standard being applied is that EDLois is a journalist for having the instinct to dig and steal, but Chloe is a backstabbing low-life and not a journalist because she kept HER OWN INFO for her own ends.

And really, the only way the two scenarios are really comparable is that in both cases, Chloe had info that EDLois just wanted handed to her. Odd. For a journalist, she doesn't seem to like doing work for herself.

Give me one instance of a thread from any episode where people cried foul over whatever wrongdoings of Chloe's, which isn't because of Lois or Lana getting bashed in the first place.

ETA: meggy to the rescue :D

Chlois Supporter

03-22-2007, 08:50 PM

Okay, I think its time some FACTS are interjected into all this.

First, Clark gave Chloe the link and the password. They discovered it was an underground ring. Clark asked Chloe to freezeframe the on the tattoo.

Clark:What's that?
Chloe zooms in. (Interesting that she needed to do that, since it was easily visible what it was, stupid Clark)
Chloe: Is that Kryptonian?

So, Chloe noticed it was kryptonian before Clark. BDA yes he is.

Second, Chloe investigated the story. She's the one who tracked down who the guy in the video was that was killed. She tracked down how they got out of Belle Reve, and she's the one who connected Clark to her friend in MPD.

Clark: You're friend down at Metropolis Precinct helped me find these.

Third, Chloe only through the picture into the trash, by the way crumpling it up, because Clark supersped into the room and spilled coffee on it. Not because it was a dead lead.

Fourth, Lois came into the room, explained she was about to be fired, begged Chloe for the story. She saw Chloe was working on something, to which Chloe noticed and very quickly closed her laptop so that Lois couldn't see. When pressed Chloe said, and I quote "There's no story for the Inquisitor here Lois. Its a just a dead end"

Fifth, Chloe and Clark then left the apartment, Lois was tempted to look at the laptop, decided not to. Went to throw away her coffee cup and saw a crumped up peice of paper in the trash. She obviously would not be able to tell what it was, since she had to uncrumple it to see it.

Sixth, Chloe then found the info that led to Maddox, allowing Clark his way into the ring.

now, like it or not, Chloe is the one who did the most investigating this episode. Lois' only lead came from a peice of garbage she found in the trash. She knew that it was a dead end yes. But she didn't know the story was dead. As Chloe told her, point blank, "There's no story for the Inquisitor here, Lois. It's just a dead end" if Chloe had said there was no story, I'd agree its fair game. But she didn't. She told Lois not to pursue the story. Lois stole her evidence, and did it anyway.

thehenry89

03-22-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by meggy
wow...16 pages huh:\ ....

i agree. in an episode that was filled with wonderful fight scenes interesting development with the lexana baby, and clark being proactive for once; we're caught up on lois rummaging through the garbage.

myankskent

03-22-2007, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by thehenry89
i agree. in an episode that was filled with wonderful fight scenes interesting development with the lexana baby, and clark being proactive for once; we're caught up on lois rummaging through the garbage.

Are you really surprised by that? And I for one am glad because it is getting you involved in the debate, I wish that would happen more.:)

SnarkMasterJ

03-22-2007, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
To me, all it shows is struggle from Lois' character. She got some front page stories right away and now she was having trouble. So the bottom line here, and this is not to address your post, just to make a general statement, is that if Lois gets front page stories, it's a lightswitch and unrealistic but if she's shown to struggle and really feel the heat from her editor, it's not Lois Lane like.

I understand how you can think that. But to be fair, EDLois's introduction into journalism was, by all definitions, a lightswitch. Both Chloe and EDLois fans have admitted that, from what I can tell.

Now as for the struggling part, to me, that's a bit suspicious. I mean, how hard can it be to write articles for The Inquisitor? Their standards are lax, and they don't really require proof. She could decide she wants to write a story on how an elephant's gestational period affects global warming, and guess what? Ding. Paycheck.

That's why I don't buy. She doesn't work for a paper that really demands something of you and insists on the best. It's a tabloid.

But again, just my point of view.

thehenry89

03-22-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Are you really surprised by that? And I for one am glad because it is getting you involved in the debate, I wish that would happen more.:)

:D...i may just pop in when you least expect it MK.

freefall

03-22-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Chlois Supporter
now, like it or not, Chloe is the one who did the most investigating this episode. Lois' only lead came from a peice of garbage she found in the trash. She knew that it was a dead end yes. But she didn't know the story was dead. As Chloe told her, point blank, "There's no story for the Inquisitor here, Lois. It's just a dead end" if Chloe had said there was no story, I'd agree its fair game. But she didn't. She told Lois not to pursue the story. Lois stole her evidence, and did it anyway.

No story is no story, so what's the problem here? How could Lois steal when it's already in the trash can in the first place? Journalists dump their proof and evidence in trash cans for safekeeping?

Originally posted by thehenry89
i agree. in an episode that was filled with wonderful fight scenes interesting development with the lexana baby, and clark being proactive for once; we're caught up on lois rummaging through the garbage.

You know exactly why :D

meteor

03-22-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by thehenry89
what story? there was no story. what's riddiculus is that lois is being taken to task over removing garbage from her own garbage can. now that's riddiculus.

Add that to last week's 20 page in depth sociological analysis on the horrible, terrible Lana Lang locking Chloe in the wine cellar for a grand total of 37 seconds.

Next week, Martha gets branded as a low life thief for using Chloe's cranberry sauce recipe at the Kent family Easter dinner.

myankskent

03-22-2007, 08:55 PM

thehenry89

03-22-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal

You know exactly why :D

yes but i refuse to speak the reason aloud...it's like a death omen :D

SnarkMasterJ

03-22-2007, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Give me one instance of a thread from any episode where people cried foul over whatever wrongdoings of Chloe's, which isn't because of Lois or Lana getting bashed in the first place.

I didn't realize holding EDLois responsible for her laziness was considered bashing. Maybe someone can let me in on what they think constitutes as bashing. Seems like a lot of this is just oversensitivity.

To me, saying EDLois is an idiot is bashing.

Saying EDLois begged her cousin for a story she couldn't find herself isn't bashing. It's what happened in the episode. Now what you choose to do with that information is, of course, your business. But that's how it happened.

myankskent

03-22-2007, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by thehenry89
:D...i may just pop in when you least expect it MK.

And it will always bring a smile to my face TH89.(I put the 89 in there so you didn't think that I was calling you Terri Hatcher:lol: )

thehenry89

03-22-2007, 08:58 PM

Chlois Supporter

03-22-2007, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
No story is no story, so what's the problem here? How could Lois steal when it's already in the trash can in the first place? Journalists dump their proof and evidence in trash cans for safekeeping?

Chloe did not say that there was no story. She said there wasn't a story for the Inquisitor. She made it a point to tell Lois that the story wasn't fit for the inquistor. Second, Lois should have known it wasn't garbage that Chloe through out. Judging from the coffee that was all over it, any rationale person would know that it was in the trash because someone spilled something on it. Second, Lois had to uncrumple it to see what it was, saw that it was a photo, and decided to go after the story anyway, even when she was told that it wasn't a story she could have. She stole it, plain and simple.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Chlois Supporter
Chloe did not say that there was no story. She said there wasn't a story for the Inquisitor. She made it a point to tell Lois that the story wasn't fit for the inquistor. Second, Lois should have known it wasn't garbage that Chloe through out. Judging from the coffee that was all over it, any rationale person would know that it was in the trash because someone spilled something on it. Second, Lois had to uncrumple it to see what it was, saw that it was a photo, and decided to go after the story anyway, even when she was told that it wasn't a story she could have. She stole it, plain and simple.

AGREED:)

freefall

03-22-2007, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I understand how you can think that. But to be fair, EDLois's introduction into journalism was, by all definitions, a lightswitch. Both Chloe and EDLois fans have admitted that, from what I can tell.

Now as for the struggling part, to me, that's a bit suspicious. I mean, how hard can it be to write articles for The Inquisitor? Their standards are lax, and they don't really require proof. She could decide she wants to write a story on how an elephant's gestational period affects global warming, and guess what? Ding. Paycheck.

That's why I don't buy. She doesn't work for a paper that really demands something of you and insists on the best. It's a tabloid.

But again, just my point of view.

The Inquisitor's editor did order Lois to get evidence first for the mythical goat sucker story (or elephants' gestational issues for that matter) so I'd say the Inquisitor still does have some kind of standard there. Hence, also a valid opinion of how Lois could be struggling to keep her reporter job.

Originally posted by meteor

Add that to last week's 20 page in depth sociological analysis on the horrible, terrible Lana Lang locking Chloe in the wine cellar for a grand total of 37 seconds.

Next week, Martha gets branded as a low life thief for using Chloe's cranberry sauce recipe at the Kent family Easter dinner.

Lana the villain just because of a harmless ruse :) They still showed her being conflicted about it for goodness' sake. It's not like she's cackling like a witch when she locked Chloe in.

thehenry89

03-22-2007, 09:02 PM

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
Hey, I am one Chloe fan that has come to like if not love Lois. While I think some of her development has been a bit contrived -- few characters on this show could say they haven't -- for the most part things have turned around for Lois. I didn't like the fact that they made her beg for a story, but Lois found the fight club and held her own. I give her that much.

We really have two great characters in Chloe and Lois. Why are we fighting about this?

I have always liked Chloe, she is terrific. I definitely do not like some of the ridiculous means they use to get characters from point A to point B, and I won't even begin to say how much I hate the way that they write Clark a lot of the time.

Personally I would love more Chloe & Lois interaction, their relationship was always a joy to watch.

Chlois Supporter

03-22-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by thehenry89
there was no story to steal, plain and simple.

And again I will state, Chloe told Lois there wasn't a story for the Inquisitor. Not "There's no story here, Lois" she said "There's no story for the INQUISTOR here, Lois." Lois works for the inquistor. Chloe told her there wasn't a story for her, she decided to go after it anyway.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
That whole scenario with Lois BEGGING Chloe for a story or she'd lose her job was a PATHETIC showing for Lois.

She can't even find her OWN story?
Has to beg her cousin and GO THROUGH her TRASH to get one?
That is UNBELIEVABLY shady.

I actually can't believe they went there, but it's actually pretty consistent for this whole season that she's willing to do whatever she can to get a story no matter if it is stealing from family.

A Lois Lane who begs for a story? Wow. What a shame.

What's so SAD is that the audience has to BELIEVE that EDLois is suppose to represent the ILL:eek: :\. . .I mean, come on, IF the writers wanted to show Lois' progress, then why make her appear as shady and desperate?:\ :eek:. . .Sorry, I don't want to turn this into a CHLOIS discussion, BUT for years, SV has shown us that CHLOE represents the ILL:). . .Even IF it turns out that Chloe is JUST Chloe, which it would be fine by me:D, IMO, she will ALWAYS be SV's Lois Lane;)

meteor

03-22-2007, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
I have always liked Chloe, she is terrific. I definitely do not like some of the ridiculous means they use to get characters from point A to point B, and I won't even begin to say how much I hate the way that they write Clark a lot of the time.

Personally I would love more Chloe & Lois interaction, their relationship was always a joy to watch.

it is too bad they have gotten away from this. i thought this was one of the stronger aspects of the characters since Lois' inception. I liked the fact that Chloe was given another intimate relationship apart from the Cark-Lana-Lex trio...one that was really focused on her.

they should focus more on Chloe and Lois' realationship, including the burgeoning journalistic rivalry between them.

thehenry89

03-22-2007, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Chlois Supporter
And again I will state, Chloe told Lois there wasn't a story for the Inquisitor. Not "There's no story here, Lois" she said "There's no story for the INQUISTOR here, Lois." Lois works for the inquistor. Chloe told her there wasn't a story for her, she decided to go after it anyway.

she told her it was a dead end IE up for grabs. just like THlois said "there's no such things as new stories just new angles" and Lois took chloe's dead end and breathed life into it.

freefall

03-22-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I didn't realize holding EDLois responsible for her laziness was considered bashing. Maybe someone can let me in on what they think constitutes as bashing. Seems like a lot of this is just oversensitivity.

To me, saying EDLois is an idiot is bashing.

Saying EDLois begged her cousin for a story she couldn't find herself isn't bashing. It's what happened in the episode. Now what you choose to do with that information is, of course, your business. But that's how it happened.

So look at the title thread of this page. That's clearly bashing and not backed up with anything from the episode at all. Lois doesn't rip Chloe off on anything at all.

As for oversensitivity, that can apply to the way some people bashed Lana for locking in Chloe last week too.

Originally posted by Chlois Supporter
Chloe did not say that there was no story. She said there wasn't a story for the Inquisitor. She made it a point to tell Lois that the story wasn't fit for the inquistor. Second, Lois should have known it wasn't garbage that Chloe through out. Judging from the coffee that was all over it, any rationale person would know that it was in the trash because someone spilled something on it. Second, Lois had to uncrumple it to see what it was, saw that it was a photo, and decided to go after the story anyway, even when she was told that it wasn't a story she could have. She stole it, plain and simple.

So we're going into semantic arguments here? No story for the Inquisitor means no story. Plain and simple. The fact that Chloe even included the remark that it wasn't even fit for the Inquisitor only further backed up the claim there's indeed no story according to Chloe. Unless you're saying Chloe also gives a damn about what the Inquisitor prints on their paper.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
I have always liked Chloe, she is terrific. I definitely do not like some of the ridiculous means they use to get characters from point A to point B, and I won't even begin to say how much I hate the way that they write Clark a lot of the time.

Personally I would love more Chloe & Lois interaction, their relationship was always a joy to watch.

I ALSO love the Chlo-Lo realtionship, BUT I don't want it to be where Lois deceives Chloe:(. . .I want them BOTH to be on equal ground, whether it is personally or professionally;)

meggy

03-22-2007, 09:09 PM

:D seacrystal...no coming to the rescue today :lol: ..i had night classes..i'm tired!!!!!!!:eek:

anywayz, IMHO, it's not a big deal for me to debate on..when i see something that requires it, trust, i will....in as fair a manner as possible...

ohhh...but I WILL put this in: not because they don't show Chloe "going into the field" as much doesn't mean she is a behind the desk girl, or any less of a reporter. How we forget the past seasons:\ .....

Chloe and Lois are both going to continue down the reporter path..both developing their skill. They will show more of Lois investigating "in the field" because TPTB have just begun to move her into that role..she really only started up in season 6.

Chloe will also continue on. But right now, TPTB are using the Chlark team for Zoner/33.1/meteor freak stuff...so that is what we see more of now....or maybe should Clark just walk around and talk to himself?? crazy much??:lol:

ohh...and...uuh yeah...there IS a DP set...which i'm sure cost MONEY...trust...they will use it.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Ok...here's the thing, if Lois had looked on Chloe's computer, that would've been terrible. I wasn't too fond of her practically begging Chloe for a story, that bothered me, but when she saw the picture in the trash and found out where the fight club was located, I'm sorry, but I can't blame Lois for figuring out something that Chloe couldn't.

If you noticed, Lois did contemplate whether to look on Chloe's computer. . .To me, that says that she was at least thinking about stealing her story:rolleyes:

Chlois Supporter

03-22-2007, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
So we're going into semantic arguments here? No story for the Inquisitor means no story. Plain and simple. The fact that Chloe even included the remark that it wasn't even fit for the Inquisitor only further backed up the claim there's indeed no story according to Chloe. Unless you're saying Chloe also gives a damn about what the Inquisitor prints on their paper.

I'm not going into semantics. Chloe told her there wasn't a story for the Inquistior. She told her she couldn't have the story. She never stated there wasn't one. she said there's not one for the Inquistor. Lois works for the Inquistor. Chloe was saying she couldn't have the story.

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 09:14 PM

I just think it's a little wild they'd make EDLois actually have to BEG! BEG! BEG! Chloe to give her a story, because she's about to be FIRED! FIRED! FIRED! :lol: From the lowest TABLOID! TABLOID! TABLOID! magazine in the entire city. And then go through her COUSINs TRASH can! bc she can't find a story on her own! :rotfl: Im sorry, I do like EDLois...i do. I think she is a funny character, very entertaining and I enjoy her interaction with Clark most of the time. But i simply cannot buy her as the Iconic Lois Lane esp when im constantly being reminded by the writers of the Inquisitors lack of journalistic integrity, seeing Lois begging the shows DP reporter for stories cuz she cant find any on her own, digging through her cousins trash,and then being naive enough to leave the camera flash on?! ILL is smarter than that.

myankskent

03-22-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
If you noticed, Lois did contemplate whether to look on Chloe's computer. . .To me, that says that she was at least thinking about stealing her story:rolleyes:

Yet she didn't, and instead, she found a lead in a piece of paper that Chloe threw in the trash and then Lois had to go undercover to get the story.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Deana
Was it wrong when Saint Chloe decided to scam off Lois's Green Arrow story? :rolleyes:

Chloe NEVER published the story about the GA:rolleyes:. . .She would NEVER betray her cousin like that:). . .She was helping Clark;). . .Chloe wasn't trying to LAND/STEAL a story:D

Originally posted by Lostfan588
I just think it's a little wild they'd make EDLois actually have to BEG! BEG! BEG! Chloe to give her a story, because she's about to be FIRED! FIRED! FIRED! :lol: From the lowest TABLOID! TABLOID! TABLOID! magazine in the entire city. And then go through her COUSINs TRASH can! bc she can't find a story on her own! :rotfl: Im sorry, I do like EDLois...i do. I think she is a funny character, very entertaining and I enjoy her interaction with Clark most of the time. But i simply cannot buy her as the Iconic Lois Lane esp when im constantly being reminded by the writers of the Inquisitors lack of journalistic integrity, seeing Lois begging the shows DP reporter for stories cuz she cant find any on her own, digging through her cousins trash,and then being naive enough to leave the camera flash on?! ILL is smarter than that.

YOU ARE WISE GRASSHOPPER:lol:. . .AGAIN, I AGREE:)

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Yet she didn't, and instead, she found a lead in a piece of paper that Chloe threw in the trash and then Lois had to go undercover to get the story.

Exactly. It amazes me how many pages are going into a discussion on something that was not even remotely like stealing. When someone says there is no story, it is a dead end - I would take that as they didn't care about it. So, *gasp* Lois finds a picture in her trash and follows up on it. Wow, what a terrible thing to do. :rolleyes:

meggy

03-22-2007, 09:23 PM

i too like Chlo-Lo love...i was going to write that sadly everything good on this show gets sacrificed for drama...but then i thought about it again...and i really don't think that Chlo-Lo love has been sacrificed...

yes, TPTB are playing up a bit of professional rivalry between them.... (and even AM in an interview said there would be some friendly competion)...but i havent seen anything too severe yet to cause me to worry that the family love is going down the drain...

and no..i don't want anyone deceiving anyone at all...in fact, i would love some Chloe/Lois investigations together...i think they would make a kicka$$ team and no one would stand a chance against them...:) ...

what i would be pissed off at, is if suddenly, Chloe decides she no longer wants to be a reporter/journalist/work at the DP...now that would just be dumb:mad:

ok i'm ranting....my point is: they can/shoud try to keep both on the journalistic path...and give them their respective stories..fairly and properly...not trying to put one up against the other...that's my hope.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I know she does. Chloe investigates for Clark, but if she investigated for herself, she would've pursued that story.

Maybe. . . Maybe NOT:). . .STILL, it was wrong of Lois to BEG Chloe to give her her story:eek:. . .Lois Lane is NOT suppose to act desperate:\. . .She is suppose to be able to stand on her own two feet. . .I didn't see ANY of that:)

SnarkMasterJ

03-22-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Well wouldn't this just show that Lois wants to write truthful articles rather than make stuff up?

I was kind of exaggerating with my illustration. She wouldn't have to write utter nonsense, but really, something. Anything. My point was just that it's not a choosy profession, being a journalist for a tabloid.

One thing I will say...she knew where to go for the goods. She went to Chloe. So at least she's got aspirations. But I would think the shoe should be on the other foot.

Originally posted by thehenry89
i don't think it's bashing to say she begged chloe for a story, but what i do think is bashing is having an epic battle over her right to take something out of the garbage and look at it. and calling her lazy and dirty and amorale for doing so.

this thing has been blown waaaaaay out of proportion. for the love of zod you'd think she sold chloe's first born on ebay to buy a pair of gucchi loafers.

Honestly, that's not even what I have the issue with. And I've already said that.

Originally posted by seacrystal
The Inquisitor's editor did order Lois to get evidence first for the mythical goat sucker story (or elephants' gestational issues for that matter) so I'd say the Inquisitor still does have some kind of standard there. Hence, also a valid opinion of how Lois could be struggling to keep her reporter job.

Actually...EDLois's editor hasn't made an appearance in the script since she mentioned him/her to Ollie in Arrow. And it had nothing to do with acquiring evidence for her stories so...I'm kind of wondering where you got that.

Next week, Martha gets branded as a low life thief for using Chloe's cranberry sauce recipe at the Kent family Easter dinner.

Lana the villain just because of a harmless ruse :) They still showed her being conflicted about it for goodness' sake. It's not like she's cackling like a witch when she locked Chloe in.

As for oversensitivity, that can apply to the way some people bashed Lana for locking in Chloe last week too.

That thread was more about Lana's motives behind the wine cellar ordeal for me. I never harped on the Chloe's health issue. What I had a problem with was Lana's self-proclaimed entitlement to Clark's secret and her using Chloe as a means to an end. But if you know of posters who were stuck on the health thing, that's fine. I wasn't one of them.

And as for this thread, I'm pretty much over the trash issue. It's her, uh...trash? So...fine. Whatever. She can glance into trashcans if she wants. I have an issue with her desperation and reliance on Chloe to keep her career afloat. And I've said as much quite a few times now.

So look at the title thread of this page. That's clearly bashing and not backed up with anything from the episode at all. Lois doesn't rip Chloe off on anything at all.

I'm not a uni-brain with the thread starter, so don't act like I'm automatically agreeing with how the thread title was phrased. You're quoting and responding to my posts, and nowhere in my posts did I bash EDLois for anything. I analyzed how I thought her behavior should've been handled. That's it.

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
So, *gasp* Lois finds a picture in her trash and follows up on it. Wow, what a terrible thing to do. :rolleyes:

I wouldnt exactly consider it "stealing" either, but freeloading yes. Firstly because she couldnt find a story own her own ... and secondlt in that she had to actually come BEGGING Chloe to give her a story bc she couldnt find one. And because she was about to get FIRED :eek: from the lowest tabloid mag in the city! So she's so desperate she has to scrummage through Chloes trash! It...just....blows my mind :lol: .

Deana

03-22-2007, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
Chloe NEVER published the story about the GA:rolleyes:. . .She would NEVER betray her cousin like that:). . .She was helping Clark;). . .Chloe wasn't trying to LAND/STEAL a story:D

YOU ARE WISE GRASSHOPPER:lol:. . .AGAIN, I AGREE:) Ha, Clark erased the information before we know what Chloe was going to do. :p

Her interest in Green Arrow went beyond Clark in those scenes. We all know that.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by meggy
i too like Chlo-Lo love...i was going to write that sadly everything good on this show gets sacrificed for drama...but then i thought about it again...and i really don't think that Chlo-Lo love has been sacrificed...

yes, TPTB are playing up a bit of professional rivalry between them.... (and even AM in an interview said there would be some friendly competion)...but i havent seen anything too severe yet to cause me to worry that the family love is going down the drain...

and no..i don't want anyone deceiving anyone at all...in fact, i would love some Chloe/Lois investigations together...i think they would make a kicka$$ team and no one would stand a chance against them...:) ...

what i would be pissed off at, is if suddenly, Chloe decides she no longer wants to be a reporter/journalist/work at the DP...now that would just be dumb:mad:

ok i'm ranting....my point is: they can/shoud try to keep both on the journalistic path...and give them their respective stories..fairly and properly...not trying to put one up against the other...that's my hope.

Yeah, I AGREE:). . .TOO MANY relationships have already been ALTERED because of a certain ship, which will remain nameless:rolleyes:. . .I LOVED the Chlo-Lo in Solitude:D. . .They made an AWESOME team;). . .I just wish that the writers would have them interacting more liike that :\

myankskent

03-22-2007, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ

One thing I will say...she knew where to go for the goods. She went to Chloe. So at least she's got aspirations. But I would think the shoe should be on the other foot.

Well, she may have gone to Chloe, but she's the one who got the story because she's the one who recognized the hanger location. Also, she's the one who went to the club herself to investigate, rather than sitting back while Clark went there.

meggy

03-22-2007, 09:28 PM

hee hee..i guess i'm not done:lol: ..while everyone ponders whether there was a story or not....

one thing i haven't seen brought up is perhaps one reason Chloe told Lois there was no story there was in an attempt to protect Clark and his heritage???...he and his Kryptonian baddies were involved after all...who knows for sure...still a thought to ponder

we'll never answer these questions tonight:lol:

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Deana
Ha, Clark erased the information before we know what Chloe was going to do. :p

Her interest in Green Arrow went beyond Clark in those scenes. We all know that.

Sure she may have been INTERESTED in the GA story, BUT she STILL wouldn't have stolen the story from her cuz;). . .She loves Lois too much:)

Deana

03-22-2007, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by meggy
hee hee..i guess i'm not done:lol: ..while everyone ponders whether there was a story or not....

one thing i haven't seen brought up is perhaps one reason Chloe told Lois there was no story there was in an attempt to protect Clark and his heritage???...he and his Kryptonian baddies were involved after all...who knows for sure...still a thought to ponder

we'll never answer these questions tonight:lol: I said that in an earlier post. I also added she was protecting Lois by keeping her away from the Zoner drama.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 09:33 PM

So what? Chloe almost stole a story from Lois earlier this year. Now they're even...
No hard feelings, IMO.

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 09:33 PM

Why would they have to make her BEG Chloe though? :lol: Its just....so....sad. And why have Lois bring up she almost get fired from the Inquisitor? And cant find stories on her own? Do they like want us to think she sucks at reporting or sumthing? :lol:

Deana

03-22-2007, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
Sure she may have been INTERESTED in the GA story, BUT she STILL wouldn't have stolen the story from her cuz;). . .She loves Lois too much:) Pure speculation from a loyal fan.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Yet she didn't, and instead, she found a lead in a piece of paper that Chloe threw in the trash and then Lois had to go undercover to get the story.

EXACTLY. . .She found a lead that CHLOE threw in the trash:). . .Think about it:confused:. . .If Lois had not found the lead in the garbage, can you honestly say that Lois wouldn't have been desperate enough to take a peek into Chloe's computer?:eek:

Deana

03-22-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
So what? Chloe almost stole a story from Lois earlier this year. Now they're even...
No hard feelings, IMO. That's what I've been saying, or at least trying to say. :)
Lois just cannot catch a break at this forum.

Slytherin Princess

03-22-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
EXACTLY. . .She found a lead that CHLOE threw in the trash:). . .

a lead that Chloe DIDN'T find on her own.

is this thread for real?

myankskent

03-22-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
EXACTLY. . .She found a lead that CHLOE threw in the trash:). . .Think about it:confused:. . .If Lois had not found the lead in the garbage, can you honestly say that Lois wouldn't have been desperate enough to take a peek into Chloe's computer?:eek:

That's speculation. It doesn't really matter what I think since it didn't happen.

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Deana
Pure speculation from a loyal fan.

Nope. . .It's NOt pure speculation from a loyal fan, as you put it, it's a fact;). . .It would have been COMPLETELY OOC for Chloe to do that to Lois:)

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
So what? Chloe almost stole a story from Lois earlier this year. Now they're even...
No hard feelings, IMO.

:D Perfectly stated. I love your avie!! :)

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 09:38 PM

Lets just say Chloe would never have to BEG anyone to give her a story to write about cuz she cant find any. She can find them all on her own. Thats true journalism right there.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Deana
That's what I've been saying, or at least trying to say. :)
Lois just cannot catch a break at this forum.
I found the looks she gave Chloe's computer much more disturbing.....the temptation.
But the bottom line is: Lois did NOT access Chloe's files.
Case closed.

myankskent

03-22-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
a lead that Chloe DIDN'T find on her own.

is this thread for real?

That's another thing...Chloe gets stories, not leads, but stories because of her friendship with Clark and here we are going off on Lois' character for finding a lead in the trash and doing her OWN INVESTIGATING so that she can write her own story.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Lets just say Chloe would never have to BEG anyone to give her a story to write about cuz she cant find any. She can find them all on her own. Thats true journalism right there.
How about earlier this season, the story with Ollie's ring??? Was it in 'Arrow'...? Well, Chloe did not eactly do all the work herself back then, now did she?
We should be fair...

Deana

03-22-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Lets just say Chloe would never have to BEG anyone to give her a story to write about cuz she cant find any. She can find them all on her own. Thats true journalism right there. Correction as of late...Clark finds them, or in this case...Oliver. ;)

meggy

03-22-2007, 09:39 PM

ohhh Deana you did! ok..i'll sum by saying "yeah..what you said!":D

too many pages to read...too many:p

sigh..what's the truth???? at any given point in time, there is no way that everyone will be pleased:\

i've seen all over these boards talk about how annoying Super!Chloe is, and why should she be involved in everything....why must she always go out investigating with Clark...where did the mad hacking skills come from?..ohhh...she's just a plot device...:( ....

THEN....when Chloe isn't involved much and the alleged Super!Chloe is toned down: "ohhh...she does nothing...sits behind her desk all day, while Clark and Lois do all the field work. What's her purpose?..she doesn't go out into the field and find her stories...."

:confused:

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
a lead that Chloe DIDN'T find on her own.

is this thread for real?

That's NOT my point:). . .Even though Clark gave her the lead, Lois didn't know that:rolleyes:, and she STILL begged Chloe for her story:eek: and contemplated looking at Chloe's computer:)

meteor

03-22-2007, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Lets just say Chloe would never have to BEG anyone to give her a story to write about cuz she cant find any. She can find them all on her own. Thats true journalism right there.

No she wouldn't have to beg....because she has Clark feeding her leads on every freak story that goes on, whereas Lois has to fend for herself.

freefall

03-22-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Chlois Supporter
I'm not going into semantics. Chloe told her there wasn't a story for the Inquistior. She told her she couldn't have the story. She never stated there wasn't one. she said there's not one for the Inquistor. Lois works for the Inquistor. Chloe was saying she couldn't have the story.

Still sounds like just about semantics, it's not even remotely stealing for goodness' sake. How could it be stealing when it has been in the garbage cans anyway?

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Actually...EDLois's editor hasn't made an appearance in the script since she mentioned him/her to Ollie in Arrow. And it had nothing to do with acquiring evidence for her stories so...I'm kind of wondering where you got that.

And how does whether we see Lois' editor or not has anything to do with this? Some people put so much stock in Lois' words when she said her editor put the spin on the title of her Sneeze article to make a case about her lying blatantly, and now when Lois mentioned that her editor wanted proof for that caburacha (sp?) stuff it's simply dismissed.

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ

That thread was more about Lana's motives behind the wine cellar ordeal for me. I never harped on the Chloe's health issue. What I had a problem with was Lana's self-proclaimed entitlement to Clark's secret and her using Chloe as a means to an end. But if you know of posters who were stuck on the health thing, that's fine. I wasn't one of them.

Who is ever entitled to Clark's secret in the first place anyway? Everyone has been guilty of trying to dig up about Clark, that doesn't make them a villain or whatever.

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ

And as for this thread, I'm pretty much over the trash issue. It's her, uh...trash? So...fine. Whatever. She can glance into trashcans if she wants. I have an issue with her desperation and reliance on Chloe to keep her career afloat. And I've said as much quite a few times now.

So what? Being desperate is a crime now? Not to mention desperate as she is, she still didn't go as far as attempting to jack Chloe's laptop. She still has enough respect for Chloe's privacy.

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ

I'm not a uni-brain with the thread starter, so don't act like I'm automatically agreeing with how the thread title was phrased. You're quoting and responding to my posts, and nowhere in my posts did I bash EDLois for anything. I analyzed how I thought her behavior should've been handled. That's it.

I'm simply replying to your statement that all these are oversensitivity. And don't we all analyze how the characters' behaviour should be handled anyway? I'm all for it, as long as there's no nitpicking or hyperbolic claims just to make a character look bad.

Originally posted by meggy
:D seacrystal...no coming to the rescue today :lol: ..i had night classes..i'm tired!!!!!!!:eek:

Do get some sleep now and come to the rescue tomorrow :p

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by meggy
ohhh Deana you did! ok..i'll sum by saying "yeah..what you said!":D

too many pages to read...too many:p

sigh..what's the truth???? at any given point in time, there is no way that everyone will be pleased:\

i've seen all over these boards talk about how annoying Super!Chloe is, and why should she be involved in everything....why must she always go out investigating with Clark...where did the mad hacking skills come from?..ohhh...she's just a plot device...:( ....

THEN....when Chloe isn't involved much and the alleged Super!Chloe is toned down: "ohhh...she does nothing...sits behind her desk all day, while Clark and Lois do all the field work. What's her purpose?..she doesn't go out into the field and find her stories...."

:confused:

PRECISELY:D. . .IF Chloe's NOT going out "into the field" so to speak, then she's just sitting back watching Lois and Clark do all of the dirty work:rolleyes:. . .It does NOT make Chloe any less of a reporter IF she stays behind at the DP, while Lois and Clark are out and about:)

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
How about earlier this season, the story with Ollie's ring??? Was it in 'Arrow'...? Well, Chloe did not eactly do all the work herself back then, now did she?
We should be fair...

Im not saying Chloe does all the work to get her stories obviously interviews and field work as well as partnership w Clark and other characters helps as well, but Im talking about Chloe's ability to find stories on her own without having barn doors falling on top of her. Stories are all around her, and Chloe knows a story when she sees one, thats the difference. She doesnt go BEGGING to EDLois or Jimmy or Pauline Kahn all like "Give me a story cuz I cant find anything to write about!" :lol:

chlark=destiny

03-22-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by meteor
No she wouldn't have to beg....because she has Clark feeding her leads on every freak story that goes on, whereas Lois has to fend for herself.

NOT TRUE;). . .Chloe is MORE than Capable of finding leads on her own;)

citizenlen

03-22-2007, 09:46 PM

Oh geez, I can't believe the hate on Lois because she rummage through a trash bin. lol. This thread has more hits than Clark finally kicking arse.

I guess the episode shouldn't be called Combat but Garbage. lol

meggy

03-22-2007, 09:46 PM

ILWC...I'm with you....I call it even

all character preferences aside readers, none of us can say that Chloe or Lois would never do something....

"never" is a strong word over which we have no control..especially on this show where OOC runs rampant *refer to last weeks epi*

TPTB change their mind on a whim...and since we have no control, and cannot see the future...we can't say what the characters would or would not do...:\

redeem147

03-22-2007, 09:48 PM

I could argue that the character of Chloe is a ripoff of the character of Lois from the comics ;)

Lois has a long way to go before that Pulitzer, doesn't she?

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
NOT TRUE;). . .Chloe is MORE than Capable of finding leads on her own;)

Chloe was finding leads when Clark was j a kid in diapers! :lol: She was the freaking editor of her school newspaper for 4 years. She can find stories w/out begging other ppl to give her sumthing bc she lacks all creativity and motivation to go find one for herself.

Originally posted by redeem147
I could argue that the character of Chloe is a ripoff of the character of Lois from the comics ;)

Youre right! After all she is the "archetype" of ILL! :p

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by meggy
ILWC...I'm with you....I call it even

all character preferences aside readers, none of us can say that Chloe or Lois would never do something....

"never" is a strong word over which we have no control..especially on this show where OOC runs rampant *refer to last weeks epi*

TPTB change their mind on a whim...and since we have no control, and cannot see the future...we can't say what the characters would or would not do...:\

With the way this show is written, characters almost never have continuity from one episode to the next. So, you are right, it is impossible to say who would or wouldn't do anything on this show. Because the writers change their personalities for their story. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by thehenry89
yup...good old sculder the only ship that ever made sense to me (relationship or otherwise) in primetime television. :D

Their chemistry was unsurpassed IMHO. It still amazes me to this day how brilliant they were on screen together. I still grieve over not having more movies. I miss them.... *sigh*

meteor

03-22-2007, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
NOT TRUE;). . .Chloe is MORE than Capable of finding leads on her own;)

that is not the reality though... the reality is that Chloe has an unfair advantage. i'd be a pretty good baseball player if the catcher tipped me off on every pitch coming my way. It doesn't mean she isn't a great writer or reporter,but it does mean she has an inside advantage that Lois doesn't have, which makes the idea of this thread even more inane than it already is.:lol:

Lostfan588

03-22-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens

Their chemistry was unsurpassed IMHO. It still amazes me to this day how brilliant they were on screen together. I still grieve over not having more movies. I miss them.... *sigh*

Sculder? :lol: So thats what theyre called? :lol: Ahhh love em.... who cant love the XFiles! Best freaking show ever...uhhh besides LOST!!!!!!!! :lol: Oh..and Smallville, almost forgot, heh.

Bonita_LovesSuperman

03-22-2007, 10:02 PM

Everyone bagging Lois now and some chloe, Whos next on your list, are you going to bag someone from this site, Lets bag Lostfan:lol: Jokes, well i can't say anything havent seen the eppi yet:D maybe Martha will be next to bash, Maybe Martian Manhunter we have to wait and see:D

imafan411

03-22-2007, 10:04 PM

I knew everyone was going to think that Lois ripped Chloe off from her story but just get use to the fact that Lois got the story fair game. You can't spin it anyway.....Lois ended up getting the story on her own, Chloe kept running into dead ends and all Lois had to do was look at a picture and she already had herself a lead. Chloe fans...sorry, Lois didn't rip off Chloe.

PS-Just so you know, I am not a Chloe hater...I actually like Chloe, I just think in this aspect, Lois had it going on though!!:p

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
With the way this show is written, characters almost never have continuity from one episode to the next. So, you are right, it is impossible to say who would or wouldn't do anything on this show. Because the writers change their personalities for their story. :rolleyes:

Very important point, I agree.

MidgardDragon

03-22-2007, 10:09 PM

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Despite her intentions, Lois didn't rip anyone off, since Chloe wasn't writing a story but rather trying to help Clark. And since when is going through family's trash wrong? We all do it! (that last bit was a joke)
:lol:
You got me there for a second...

freefall

03-22-2007, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by meteor
that is not the reality though... the reality is that Chloe has an unfair advantage. i'd be a pretty good baseball player if the catcher tipped me off on every pitch coming my way. It doesn't mean she isn't a great writer or reporter,but it does mean she has an inside advantage that Lois doesn't have, which makes the idea of this thread even more inane than it already is.:lol:

I'd say the posts ragging on Lois because apparently she "stole" Chloe's moniker of Green Arrow is way more inane. And not to mention the nonstop claims about Lois would be "stealing" Clark from Chloe as well as her DP job in the future. :rolleyes:

meggy

03-22-2007, 10:15 PM

SCULDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by meggy
SCULDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MULLY!!!!!

Jetta

03-22-2007, 10:18 PM

I don't think that Lois was stealing, or that what she did was flat-out wrong, but I can say that I didn't really respect it. I would have much preferred her getting into this story another way.

jazel

03-22-2007, 10:24 PM

I REALLY respected how Lois looked at the PC for two secs, and decided she WAS NOT going there. :D
now that's was COOL....lol....Chloe didn't even bother balling up the picture :p

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Sculder? :lol: So thats what theyre called? :lol: Ahhh love em.... who cant love the XFiles! Best freaking show ever...uhhh besides LOST!!!!!!!! :lol: Oh..and Smallville, almost forgot, heh.

X - Files was one of my all time favorite shows ever. Mulder is still my favorite character of all time. And Lost is addictive. Especially after this past Wed. night!!! :eek:

If tptb from Smallville could get their heads out of the sand this could be the best show on tv. They just muck it up by not having a real plan. :\

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
X - Files was one of my all time favorite shows ever.
Mine as well. It's right there in the Hall of fame, next to Star Trek:TNG...

harryandginnyfanatic

03-22-2007, 10:30 PM

I don't remember anything about Chloe investigating the fight club because she wanted to write a story. She was helping Clark.

Lois didn't scoop Chloe in Combat and Chloe never scooped Lois in Arrow. She kept the photos of the ring cause she wanted to help Clark. She wasn't out to write a story about the Green Arrow.

This so called Chlo-Lo rivalary on the show is completely non-existant.

As far as I can see neither Chloe or Lois have ever competed for a story or for a guy. And I hope they never do.

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Mine as well. It's right there in the Hall of fame, next to Star Trek:TNG...

I would marry Jean Luc Picard. He is so awesome. LOL That whole cast was interesting to watch though. Great actors.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-22-2007, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by puppiesnkittens
I would marry Jean Luc Picard. He is so awesome.
Don't forget Marina Sirtis......
<drool.>
She's the mother of the Chloevage.
:p

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Don't forget Marina Sirtis......
<drool.>
She's the mother of the Chloevage.
:p

LOL, I remember that I wanted to do my hair like hers. They definitely played up the sexiness with her uniform. ;)

Kal-ed

03-22-2007, 10:43 PM

Ok, I have read through the first 17 pages and I thought it was enough to give me an Idea.

First of all I will list FACTS that have IMO been overlooked and who ever wishes to make sure by all means rewatche the scenes.

-Lois DID NOT BEG, at all, she ASKED Chloe for a favour, Chloe said, no, Clark said no and that was it, Begging would be if she had insisted a lot more, even trying to create pitty for herself (the symbolism of getting on you knees). But she didnt, she asked and got turned down, that happens eveyr day. She even promised to make it up, Jesus, its like if no one had ever asked for a favour and got to turned down, there is a diference between asking and beging.

-It wasnt said explicitly but it was clearly implyed that it was the EDITOR who was pushing Lois on the Chupacabaras thing, and that she couldnt find anything to back it up... gee I wonder why:rolleyes:

-Lois DID NOT DIG INTO THE GARBAGE, there is also a HUGE diference between PICKING UP something from the garbage bin and DIGGING through it. Lois saw it and picked it up. She didnt have to move stuff around and Id be surprised if anything other than the coffe Clark spilled made it to her fingers. Plus the whole Cofee falling (a full cup shouldnt fall with Clark´s wind gusts, and if it had been hard enough it would have actually blown the picture along with other paper, not just nock down the cup), the cup falling and the picture tossing was a plot divice.

-Lois DID NOT KNOW the picture from the garbage and the profile that apeared in Chloe´s lap top when she walked in, were related. For all she knew it was Chloe´s favorite wrestler shot. And she found it in the garbage, meaning (or at least as far as she knows) that who ever threw it away didnt care for it anymore.

-Now, yes she oggled Chloe´s lap but she new better, lets not forget we just saw a Clark using his super strengt to beat up criminals just to take out his frustration caused by the Lexana debacle. Well Lois had a choice and she made the right one, against all her reporter instincts and her personality. During life we are all, always presented with options, and there is always the wrong and the right choice, If I encountered 1 million bucks in my cab´s back seat, and I took it home and pondered for hours about keeping it or returning it to its owner, if at the end of the day I choos to give it back, does that make me a bad person??? The right choice is usually the hardest and Lois took the hard one. Cant blame her for being tempted, we all are and IMO it would be hypocritical to say that we are always, instantly and witouth second thoughts making the right choices through life without ever encountering a moral dilema, its coming over with your concience clear what makes the diference.

-Chloe IN FACT did some reseach that helped Clark get to the fight promoter, so saying Chloe DID NOT DO ANY RESEARCH is completely inacurate. Yes she did not get what Lois got in the picture, but she found other usefull stuff, and it goes perfectly acoording to each character, Lois is more phisical evidence and hunches (sp) and Chloe is better in the internet research stuff, IMO each girl did great in her own right.

jazel

03-22-2007, 10:55 PM

very cool POV, thanks for sharing :)

puppiesnkittens

03-22-2007, 10:58 PM

^^ Very well put Kal-ed. Not much else I can say about this topic right now. You said it all.
:D

freefall

03-22-2007, 11:16 PM

As always Kal-ed is the man :D

chlarkfan333

03-22-2007, 11:18 PM

EDLois did exactly what ILL would do, IMO. At least she didn't try to hack into Chloe's laptop. In fact she reminded me very much of THLois in that scene although I didn't care for her asking her cousin for a favour.

Kal-ed, I only have one slight disagreement with your post and that is that Lois had to have suspected the pic in the garbage was connected somehow to what Chloe and Clark were covering up, otherwise it makes no sense that she immediately thought there was a story there.

freefall

03-22-2007, 11:27 PM

chlarkfan333

03-22-2007, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Or it also could be simply because she does indeed smell something fishy since Lois has mentioned that hangar in Fort Ryan is supposed to be empty, not to mention it must be really secluded because Athena asked something about how Lois ever managed found her way there. Even Lex's team has to spend some time to actually locate the fight club.

So to see what a wrestler and the promoter were doing in that kind of place is definitely a newspaper story material.

I don't disagree, but if the girl is smart enough to connect those dots, I figure she must also be aware that the pic is connected to Chloe and possibly her research, is all.

Clark Jr. the great

03-22-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by thehenry89
forgive me, but johnathan and martha kent taught clark about humanity. lana taught him how to advance his stalking techniques. Lex was evil looooong before he ever started dating lana. he's always shown signs of egomania even back in season one.

I have no idea why lana is in this disscussion. The first time I have heard about lana bringing out clarks human side was in superman 3 the worst superman movie.

Kal-ed

03-22-2007, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333

Kal-ed, I only have one slight disagreement with your post and that is that Lois had to have suspected the pic in the garbage was connected somehow to what Chloe and Clark were covering up, otherwise it makes no sense that she immediately thought there was a story there.

Well, its said that Lois Lane has almos supernatural hunches, so I would chalk it up to that. I dont want to get in the who´s trash is it, or wether or not its public domain. Lets stick to basics, if something is in the trash someone threw it away, besides Chloe didnt even seem to care about the picture as much as she did about the spilled coffe her exact words were "Clark, slow down!! I dont have enough money to hire a fulltime maid to clean up everytime you decide to blow in" all this said while throwing the picture and the coffe cup into the garbage, if it had been something important to her, she would have comented on the picture being ruined or something, but she threw it away as it was nothing, why cause it was a whole plot deviced scenario so Lois could stumble with the info.

But again, its safer to asume it was a hunch about the picture (caused by the fact that she found weird a wrestling match in an ex army base), and didnt directly related to what Chloe was working on. It was painfully obvious to Lois that Chloe didnt want Lois to find out about what ever she was working on, it would be stupid to think she would be as careless as to leave something important for anyone near the trash bin to see. I remember when I got rid of my dirty mags (as a pubecent boy) I threw other trash, like chocolate wrapings or chip bags, over the magazine so if anyone (my mom) aproached the bin wouldnt see it.

chlarkfan333

03-22-2007, 11:36 PM

Lol, just so there's no misunderstanding, I am not saying Lois did anything wrong. I am, however, saying that she had to be aware that the pic must be connected to Chloe and possibly her research. Small point really. :)

Kal-ed

03-22-2007, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Clark Jr. the great
I have no idea why lana is in this disscussion. The first time I have heard about lana bringing out clarks human side was in superman 3 the worst superman movie.

Besides, this whole episode just showed that Lana brings Clark´s INHUMAN side.

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Lol, just so there's no misunderstanding, I am not saying Lois did anything wrong. I am, however, saying that she had to be aware that the pic must be connected to Chloe and possibly her research. Small point really. :)

Well then you agree with the original post: Lois riped off Chloe´s story :\

Spyderwalk

03-22-2007, 11:43 PM

Geez dudes. . it was freaking Lois. . have any of you read the comic books? Watch the TV shows? Read the novels (haha). . it's freaking LOIS!. . you're watching Lois Lane. . deal with it! (It's who she is. . and it's why we love her. . heck she was this way even in the 1940's 5 minute long cartoons!)

chlarkfan333

03-22-2007, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Well then you agree with the original post: Lois riped off Chloe´s story :\

Well, honestly it used to get my goat each time THLois did something similar. I don't know why it is commendable that reporters be so competetive that their ethics become questionable. That aside, I don't think Lois' actions in this instance equate to something as egregious as ripping off Chloe's story. As you correctly pointed out, she found it in the trash which incidentally Chloe discarded before Lois came in. So, I agree that Lois did what one would expect of ILL, which is smell out a potential story. However, I cannot help but think that Lois had to be aware at least that the discarded pic got there because of Chloe.

Clark Jr. the great

03-22-2007, 11:51 PM

Last Sunday my dad told me to throw out some of his junk paper in the recycling bin outside the garage door in our highrise building. I saw this piece of paper near the bin, I picked it up and discovered there were two coupons for this video store called Rogers video. The first one said that if I rent two movies or video games I can get one free by showing this. The next said if I buy two movies or games I just have to pay halve price. So I got 3 movies at the price of one. This happened to me because of pure luck and nothing else. The same thing is for Lois. She did nothing wrong or right, she just got lucky.

I just dont get why Chloe has never done anything wrong according to Chloe fans. Can a chloe fan tell me one time they thought Chloe did the wrong things.
I am also a Chloe fan but this question is for a extreem chloe fan.

chlarkfan333

03-23-2007, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by Clark Jr. the great
I just dont get why Chloe has never done anything wrong according to Chloe fans. Can a chloe fan tell me one time they thought Chloe did the wrong things.
I am also a Chloe fan but this question is for a extreem chloe fan.

Chloe has done PLENTY wrong. Here's a brief list -

Season 2: Redux, Lineage, and the episodes at the end. I couldn't stand her.

Season 3: I still want to smack Chloe every time I see 'Truth.'

Season 4: I hate that she pressed Clark even though it was for a short while after she found out his secret.

Season 6: Her advice to both Lana and Clark about their relationship has been crap. Also, her character has stagnated to the point where all she is is a sidekick or someone's support system. Finally, I still don't understand what she sees in Jimmy.

Thankfully, her positive points far outweigh the negative. :)

MidgardDragon

03-23-2007, 12:07 AM

Well then you agree with the original post: Lois riped off Chloe´s story

I disagree. Just because someone acknowledges that Lois was aware the paper in the trash had something to do with Chloe, does not mean Lois ripped anything off. Why? Because there was *no story*. Chloe wasn't working on a story, bottom line.

freefall

03-23-2007, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Well, honestly it used to get my goat each time THLois did something similar. I don't know why it is commendable that reporters be so competetive that their ethics become questionable. That aside, I don't think Lois' actions in this instance equate to something as egregious as ripping off Chloe's story. As you correctly pointed out, she found it in the trash which incidentally Chloe discarded before Lois came in. So, I agree that Lois did what one would expect of ILL, which is smell out a potential story. However, I cannot help but think that Lois had to be aware at least that the discarded pic got there because of Chloe.

Agreed with your point about the reporters, but I'd say any reporter worth their salt would go to many lengths just to get a story. I don't think it's all black and white as we'd like to think. In SV universe, Perry has been shown to be absolutely insensitive to Lana and a teenage Lex just to get stories. He was also willing to expose Clark even when Clark has done nothing but stick up for him since the very beginning.

In real life, I'm not sure but I've heard about all those reporters obtaining classified or confidential information just for their stories. They're definitely muddying the moralistic and ethical waters as well breaking the law, but if it's for a story and it's a good one especially an expose, then it's a story.

I also agree with a previous poster's point about luck and being in the right place at the right time. There's also the experience, willingness to take risks, sizing up people, using the environment and situations to your advantage, having hunches and knack for noticing the littlest detail that must be taken into consideration. There's a whole lot more to being a true blue journalist than just having a gift for writing.

It must also be noted that Lois ultimately did not give in to the temptation, there's a clear indication she wanted to snoop in Chloe's computer but she didn't. And that IMO, is something really commendable WRT her own principles. She'd never do such a thing to her own family and people close to her.

chlarkfan333

03-23-2007, 12:10 AM

I agree seacrystal about Lois' actions being commendable insofar as not snooping around on Chloe's computer. In direct contrast, I might add to Lana's actions in Trespass. Interesting, no?

InLove_with_Chloe

03-23-2007, 12:10 AM

In fact, I think the problem was not what Lois had done (cause that was nothing, really...). What I didn't like was that the writers/director WANTED us to feel like Lois is doing something wrong. By her being desperate about her job and then staring at Chloe's computer... That was very suggestive. So, once again TPTB are playing us, IMO...

jazel

03-23-2007, 12:11 AM

does she have, very many, positive points ? lol
wish Alicia, never exposed Clark, to her :p

Clark Jr. the great

03-23-2007, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Chloe has done PLENTY wrong. Here's a brief list -

Season 2: Redux, Lineage, and the episodes at the end. I couldn't stand her.

Season 3: I still want to smack Chloe every time I see 'Truth.'

Season 4: I hate that she pressed Clark even though it was for a short while after she found out his secret.

Season 6: Her advice to both Lana and Clark about their relationship has been crap. Also, her character has stagnated to the point where all she is is a sidekick or someone's support system. Finally, I still don't understand what she sees in Jimmy.

Thankfully, her positive points far outweigh the negative. :)

Thankyou :lol:

chlarkfan333

03-23-2007, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Clark Jr. the great
Thankyou :lol:

Happy to oblige! :D

freefall

03-23-2007, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Thankfully, her positive points far outweigh the negative. :)

I think we definitely can apply that to the other characters as well, especially Clark and Lois. Lois really made me angry with the way she behaved towards Clark in Rage, and don't let me get started with Clark Kent himself.

Even with Lana, she's definitely not my favourite person, but I still can acknowledge all her good points, and in Combat I do think it's hard for me to see her so defeated after she lost the baby. Martha and Jonathan, even Pete, have their own unflattering and witchy moments but does that immediately makes them as some kind of devil incarnates, or completely wipe out all the good things about them?

btw chlarkfan, I don't think Clark Jr. the great question is addressed to someone like you :p He's asking *cough*extreme*cough* Chloe fans.

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe

By her being desperate about her job and then staring at Chloe's computer... So, once again TPTB are playing us, IMO...

Let me put in this way. I've seen many posts saying Lois simply breezed through life, she has no difficulties at all, she's a freeloader, she lives on handouts, she got men attracted to her just because of looks etc.

And then when they show Lois being tempted to snoop in Chloe's laptop, trying to keep her job, dropping the story in Reunion, very hurt and puzzled with Oliver during their breakup but still doesn't hold anything against him, helping Martha as a waitress at the Talon to earn her keep while living at the farm, being heartbroken over Chloe's death and trying to nail down her murderer, being Jonathan's CM without pay, helping Martha a lot by being her COS, blames herself for Chloe's condition in Tomb, being there for the Kents during the meteor shower while at the same time she also had to be there for her family WRT searching for Lucy in Europe, raising her sister since childhood, a cold and emotionally detached father and so on and so forth, some people simply choose to ignore these kind of things and still claim Lois has nothing to do with her life.

ETA: This is not to compare Lois with anyone or trying to make her look better or things like that, it's simply just a perspective on how everyone has their own positive attributes and character strengths, and I think we should give all of them credit where it's due. Not simply focusing on their mistakes or unfairly judging every one of their actions.

chlarkfan333

03-23-2007, 12:36 AM

Aye seacrystal, as usual I find myself in agreement with you. :)

InLove_with_Chloe

03-23-2007, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
And then when they show Lois being tempted to snoop in Chloe's laptop, trying to keep her job......
....they make her look worse than she really is, that's my point.
The scene was very suggestive, IMO.
No wonder people reacted so strongly over absolutely nothing.

Remember how Al Gough went on about how great it is when people complain about the show...?!? I believe he said it shows that people care...
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That's a strange philosophy, IMO.

freefall

03-23-2007, 12:59 AM

I really don't like to do this, but for goodness' sake, how does Lois casting a wishful look at Chloe's laptop constitutes as TPTB trying to make Lois look worse? That's Chloe's territory actually, not only TPTB has reduced her to plot devices, she even has to go through character assassinations, stupid dialogues as well as witchy and annoying moments, which are especially evident this season. What's up with all the snotty attitude towards Lois and badmouthing her own cousin behind her back like in Sneeze and Wither, not to mention the way she withheld Lois' proof in Arrow?

I highly doubt people would react strongly over nothing if it the "culprit" is other than Lana or Lois.

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
I really don't like to do this, but for goodness' sake, how does Lois casting a wishful look at Chloe's laptop constitutes as TPTB trying to make Lois look worse?

TPTB will never try to make Lois look worst because she is the heroine of the story.

Infact, the staring at the laptop scene simply showed the principles Lois has. She is in dire need of story but she won't snoop around anyone's stuff even when her life depends on it.

Rewind to season one episode "Zero", despite of Clark asking Chloe not to look into his personal life, what did she do? She kept digging till that woman Rachel came in Clark's life to wreak havoc!!

Being a good reporter doesn't mean being nosy and not consider other people's personal lives important.

The important thing to notice in this scene is only the fact that with all her techno babble and night of searching Ms. Sullivan failed to find what Lois Lane found out in a second. That is what good reporters do, keep a watchful eye, have a good observation and look for clues.

Give me a laptop and an internet connection, I can be Chloe. I can search google all night and bring up all sorts of stuff. But the instinct to look at the right places, find the right clues and blend yourself with scenarios is a good quality of an investigative reporter that Lois Lane embodies.

Throught Combat, TPTB actually showed that Lois is a better reporter because she does all the foot work. Going out and meeting danger, working like a detective to get a story. That is what makes Lois Lane in the comics and that is exactly what our Lois is!!

InLove_with_Chloe

03-23-2007, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
I really don't like to do this, but for goodness' sake, how does Lois casting a wishful look at Chloe's laptop constitutes as TPTB trying to make Lois look worse?
You seem to overlook that I was criticising the writers in this case, not Lois as a character. I simply didn't like that they even insinuated that Chloe's computer could represent a true temptation to Lois. Because we all know that she wouldn't touch it, period. Maybe I am over-sensitive... TPTB have made so many horrible things lately - I guess I was worried they were planning an OOC moment for Lois. Thank god they didn't, so everything's fine...

Originally posted by seacrystal
That's Chloe's territory actually, not only TPTB has reduced her to plot devices, she even has to go through character assassinations, stupid dialogues as well as witchy and annoying moments, which are especially evident this season.
What can I say? I agree.... Chloe's character is being butchered beyond recognition as we speak...

freefall

03-23-2007, 02:02 AM

In Chloe's defense, like Kal-ed has pointed out she definitely has done some research own which helped Clark to get into the fight club, at least in terms of tracking down Maddox via her informant at the precinct. But the picture itself is not of her own research, it's solely from the password access from Clark, which Clark got from Oliver.

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
You seem to overlook that I was criticising the writers in this case, not Lois as a character. I simply didn't like that they even insinuated that Chloe's computer could represent a true temptation to Lois. Because we all know that she wouldn't touch it, period. Maybe I am over-sensitive... TPTB have made so many horrible things lately - I guess I was worried they were planning an OOC moment for Lois. Thank god they didn't, so everything's fine...

IMO if we want to just chalk it up to just bad writing, I don't think this thread would already have hundreds of posts not even a day after Combat has aired.

I mean, I can definitely simply brush away God knows how many and the countless horrible portrayals of Clark since S3 to the bad and crazy writers, and of course our dear AlMiles, but if that's the case I might just as well don't engage in any discussion or debate on the forums since it's just "bad writing" not the character itself.

Personally, I don't think it's bad writing at all. I think it's great for them to portray Lois in that kind of situation. She's conflicted and she's dying to get a story and being tempted to snoop in Chloe's laptop, but still she wouldn't do such a dishonourable thing.

Clark was also conflicted in this episode, he kept telling himself his fight with Titan and the freaks was because he really wanted to deal with the Zoners and to stop crimes actively, but in the end he admitted it's simply because he wanted to take out his anger somewhere regarding Lexana. He admitted he really wanted to kill Titan, but his mother pointed out to him that he still felt regret and remorse.

That's what makes all the difference between Clark and the common killer, and Lois' decision not to invade her cousin's privacy is what makes the difference between her and people who simply doesn't care for that kind of things.

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 02:32 AM

Can I add something here:

~ Lois looking at Chloe's PC is what any conflicted reporter/investigator/cop would do in a situation like this. If Lois were a cop she would have the right to open Chloe's PC and look. In this situation, Lois was desperate, for a moment there, she wanted to snoop.

I know, although Lana and Chloe have done snooping many times but I would not have wanted Lois to do it. So thank God the writers didn't do it.

Now, Lois went to the bin to throw her cup and picked out the picture randomly, but she instantly saw something Chloe didn't pick up in her entire night of search. Clearly TPTB made their point on who is the better investigative journalist here.

~ I don't think Chloe was written bad either. Chloe is written best at what she can do best: Hacking/searching on the net/playing assistant to Clark.

Chloe herself said that she is not bad as Clark's sidekick. We all know she is Clark's sidekick, not that it is a bad thing. Her research helped Clark a lot.

But I guess what the writers here are trying to show that is despite Chloe always says that journalism is her passion, we never really see it. She wasn't working on the zoner story, she was merely a data collector for Clark. Whereas, Lois was the girl with a mission here. She was hunting for a story. So she is the one who does all the "real investigative reporting"

Even though, Lois is not at the Daily Planet right now, Lois is the intrepid reporter of this story, but please that doesn't mean that the writers are making Chloe look bad. Chloe is playing an important role in form of digging information of Clark and bringing out the investigative reporter side of him.

In my opinion, Chloe's powers & her sidekick duties have finally given Chloe a place in this story that was undecisive for a long time. As for Lois, the writers clearly showed that she really is on her way to becoming a top notch investigative reporter and with her own principles that she won't compromise in any state!!!

lastdaughterofkrypton

03-23-2007, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Nice of you to assume some people like Lois just because her name is Lois Lane.

Err... read your fellow Temp Loisers first TWO posters said that they were her fans because she got the name so...

samanta

03-23-2007, 06:23 AM

I think everyone should calm down. You know this was Lois episode. That's why she was bettrer investigator than Chloe. When it's Chloe episode she's better than Lois.
But really how could Chloe write story about zooners without endanger Clark's secret. She's quite limited in her stories because she knows about Clark, Oliver and other heroes. She is good person so she won't write anything that could endanger them and their secrets. This is Lois advantage in jornalism against Chloe. Lois is totally cluelles about them, so she can write whatever she wants.

Mischael12

03-23-2007, 07:02 AM

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, who here has never been tempted to look at something?

Whether it be cheating, somebodies mail, something in the garbage, it happens, but deciding not to look is the issue.

I pointed out earlier that there was a difference in the issues concerning that what Chloe was looking at was concerning belle reve, the picture Lois found was concerning the fight club, though it is possible to make a connection it is still in part to vague.

I actually think Lois looking through her computer would actually have been more ILL, but she didn't.

People just don't like EDLois Lane--well guess what she's the actual Lois Lane, not just because of the name, but because Chloe now has a freak power, and Lois Lane doesn't have one, I doubt that DC would allow them to just do that.

Rhoda123

03-23-2007, 07:23 AM

I don't care if the EDLois is the real Lois Lane.. she sucks in Smallville..

Her reporter tactics were horrible. Chloe would never deceive a friend or family member to get a story. She's deceiving and I don't like her but that is JUST my opinion.

jazel

03-23-2007, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Rhoda123
I don't care if the EDLois is the real Lois Lane.. she sucks in Smallville..
for you maybe....lol
for others like me, she's the only thing worth watching....lol ;)
the epis without her, are so *yawn*
gotta give it up for the Voluptous, Viscious Vixen :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Mischael12

03-23-2007, 07:29 AM

Are you kidding? She's barely there, and when she actually is in a role, the story actually stays focus on that point.

Of all the characters i would say she is the closest to her comic book counterpart.

You say she sucks-- how? If you can give legit reasons i'll agree, but just saying she sucks is a pitiful excuse. Are you waiting for Chloe and Clark to get together? That's cool maybe they will but in the end he still ends up with Lois Lane.

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 07:36 AM

Cheating? I am sorry, Chloe is reserved for doing that only. Remember in Zero Clark asked Chloe not to look into her personal life? Did it stop Chloe from snooping and hurting Clark? No!

Chloe is the one who got tangled with Lionel Luthor only out of her jealousy on seeing Lana and Clark together!!

In Arrow, Chloe deliberately kept information from Lois so despite of being all this, Lois still only humbly asks Chloe for help and when Chloe refuses, Lois still has the ethics not to snoop around in Chloe's absense, something Chloe would have done without thinking.

Lois randomly looked at the picture and found something Chloe failed to find, so Lois actually earned herself this story.

Pandora24

03-23-2007, 07:37 AM

I had no problem with Lois's approach to getting her story.

One: She's a reporter in progress, an investigative reporter at that. This means being nosy and snooping around is what they do, it's practically their trademark. Besides, she got that information from the trash. Anyone gets free dibs on anything in a trashcan in my opinion. If someone is so concerned about people looking through their trash, they need to put their papers through a shredder and burn the other stuff.

Two: Let's say it was Chloe's story that she was working on (which it wasn't). Chloe and Lois work for two different papers and if both were working on the story, they would be in competition to get their story done first so their paper could print it ASAP. That's just business. And again, Lois didn't go snooping on Chloe's computer which, I think would've been going too far. Not b/c it's an invasion of privacy, but b/c it's Chloe, her cousin, and she should draw that line. I seriously think if it hadn't been Chloe, she would've totally snooped. But again, that's what an investigative reporter does...including Chloe. How many times has Chloe snooped around where she doesn't belong in order to get a story? How is this any different? I'm not saying Chloe was wrong, I'm just saying they were both doing what reporters do.

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 07:42 AM

What I am saying that comparing Lois to Chloe in this regard is pointless because Chloe is famous for invading in people's private lives. Episodes like Zero & Legacy are perfect examples of that. Not to mention that she became a pawn in hands of Lionel and promised him to provide information on Clark. Do you picture Lois doing something like that? Nope!

Now coming back to Lois, I am proud that she didn't touch Chloe's PC which I repeat Chloe would have done without thinking. Lois found a lead on her own & wrote her story.

If Chloe WERE working on this story, then I am sure Lois wouldn't touch it no matter how desperate she was. She would let her job go but not steal Chloe's story.

Mischael12

03-23-2007, 07:45 AM

Reports steal stories all the time in shows like this--not sure about real life--but even then i don't doubt it.

Its a competitive world, you don't lay down for everyone sometimes you need to stab someone in the back to move upwards, its the way it works get over it i say.

Imzadi

03-23-2007, 07:51 AM

That episode reminded me of one of the early episodes of Lois & Clark, when Lois "stole" Clarks story. In the end she got her payback though :-)

But I can't see what is so horrible. She asked her cousin and friend for help and got no responsel. She saw the laptop after they left and she decided not to take a look at it. After that it was pure conicidence, that she saw the paper in the trash and got curious. So what's wrong with that? She recognized the place and invastigated.

That whole scene was so Lois Lane. I liked it.

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 07:53 AM

Lois didn't stab Chloe's back. I don't know about Chloe but Lois would never stab her cousin's back for a story. Chloe wasn't working on any story. She was merely a search engine for Clark collecting data for him on the zoners. Did we hear that Chloe was going to print the story? No!

If Lois had opened Chloe's PC that would have been snooping and stealing Chloe's story, something that Chloe would surely do. Lois won't. She earned her well deserved story.

Dannyblue1

03-23-2007, 08:22 AM

I'm confused by those who have been singing the praises of Lois's investigative skills. After all, she found out something Chloe didn't. So, she was the better investigator in this episode, right?

Well, from what I saw, Lois didn't actually investigate anything. Lois spotted something in a picture that she was lucky enough to recognize because she's a military brat. She didn't have to do research to know what it was because she was familiar with it already.

So, because she got lucky, she's a better investigator than Chloe? (Who did actual research and found out things like who was running the fight club. And who might have spotted the same thing Lois did if coffee hadn't gotten spilled on the picture, and she wasn't focussed on the tattoo.)

I won't go into whether how Lois got the picture is ethical or not. I don't actually think anything was all that wrong with it. However, if they think this is the way to show us Lois blossoming into a great investigative reporter (first, begging Chloe for a story before thinking of looking for one on her own, then having to do no real research to find the story she got) I think they better try something else.

Iluvgreen

03-23-2007, 08:25 AM

It was in the trash and I'm sure shethought that if it was in the trash it was there for a reason.

Ginx

03-23-2007, 08:34 AM

While I liked that Lois was more hands on to getting what she wanted for a story - I didn't get the outfit. Don't get me wrong I thought it was pretty cool etc but I just didn't think that a bright red outfit was the best way to go sneaking around to get your story. If she knew the area a bit then she could have easier gotten her pictures without even running into Ashley (which was another pointless scene in a way).

Although - the scene with Ashley did show what Lois was willing to do to get a story. Again - we've got a case of growing pains. She's not the Lois we know yet - she's growing towards what we all know as Lois Lane. Give her some time.

Spyderwalk

03-23-2007, 08:36 AM

I like boobies

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 08:36 AM

Chloe does the search engine routine for Clark all the time, but if Lois asks Chloe for a little help, that's called begging?

Lois was depressed, and since Chloe happens to be in the same profession, she asked Chloe if she could give her a tip. Something people in same professions can do. Even when Chloe totally (and rudely) shot her down, Lois still didn't snoop around her stuff.

Chloe is supposed to be the one-who-knows-all so why didn't she figure out the millitary base thing? And why is it so wrong that Lois used her presence of mind and picked something?

Every story/byline that Lois writes is seen through microscope however the fact is that Chloe has been involved in more questionable methods than Lois ever used.

Lois is a much better investigative reporter and uses her presence of mind and above all she is willing to get into trouble for getting a byline. Once again, net surfing doesn't make great journalists.

myankskent

03-23-2007, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1

Well, from what I saw, Lois didn't actually investigate anything. Lois spotted something in a picture that she was lucky enough to recognize because she's a military brat. She didn't have to do research to know what it was because she was familiar with it already.

So, because she got lucky, she's a better investigator than Chloe? (Who did actual research and found out things like who was running the fight club. And who might have spotted the same thing Lois did if coffee hadn't gotten spilled on the picture, and she wasn't focussed on the tattoo.)

I totally disagree because basically what you're saying here is that because Lois didn't type a few things into a computer, she didn't do research. Well research can be done by going undercover as well, which is something that Lois did. That's how she got her information for her article.

Ginx

03-23-2007, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by myankskent
I totally disagree because basically what you're saying here is that because Lois didn't type a few things into a computer, she didn't do research. Well research can be done by going undercover as well, which is something that Lois did. That's how she got her information for her article.

I agree that research isn't just something done on the computer. She found the picture, knew what it meant, kept it to herself to check it out. Too bad she wore such a loud outfit or she might have escaped unnoticed from that place.

But then again - Lois didn't know a whole lot about the advanced security etc - maybe if she knew that she wouldn't have just barged in there.

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 08:49 AM

Chloe didn't notice the Kryptonian tatoo, Clark did. He said Chloe to freeze on the frame. Chloe only asked "Is that Kryptonian?"

Chloe as she says herself, is at best Clark's sidekick because she isn't independently working on any story, heck, she doesn't have the time to publish any story that would give her fame or a front page byline because all she is doing right now is what anyone can do if given a laptop and internet connection.

When it comes to journalism, Lois is and will be far more successful than Chloe because Lois won't sit on her laptop and search, she would be the one to do the running and fighting to get the story.

Lois can never be a great hacker because that is not her field of expertise, similarly, Chloe isn't the intrepid reporter anymore because all she is doing is hacking/assisting Clark. No investigative journalism there. If we go back to Subterranean this season, the byline Chloe got was totally because Clark worked on that immigrants issue. Chloe did nothing.

p.he.nix

03-23-2007, 09:01 AM

It is funny how the double standards come into play. When the spoilers for Hydro came out and stated that Lois and Jimmy would be investigating behind Chloe's back. There were all these speculation and accusations before it even aired of how dare Lois go behind Chloe's back betraying her and she must ask Chloe's permission to work with Jimmy. You know because Jimmy is Chloe's property. Lois casted as a villian even before the episode aired and it turned out to be nothing. Lana is hung to dry as well especially last week.

I didn't like how Lois was not broken hearted or down about Ollie. She was insensitive and coldhearted as if nothing had happen.

Originally posted by Meteor
Add that to last week's 20 page in depth sociological analysis on the horrible, terrible Lana Lang locking Chloe in the wine cellar for a grand total of 37 seconds.

Next week, Martha gets branded as a low life thief for using Chloe's cranberry sauce recipe at the Kent family Easter dinner.

Martha will be probably crucified if she says Chloe is just Clark's friend and nothing more.

Originally posted by Meggy
i too like Chlo-Lo love...i was going to write that sadly everything good on this show gets sacrificed for drama...but then i thought about it again...and i really don't think that Chlo-Lo love has been sacrificed...

I've had a hard time believing the Chlo-Lo relationship and this season it just seems dead or barely hanging on. Chloe and Lana seem more close, trusted and sisterly especially in the earlier seasons. Chloe even included Lana in her family tree as her sister (which was very sweet) but Lois even her cousin wasn't on there. Chloe and Lois seem to just tolerate each other for the sake of being family. The whole you can love your family but you don't have to like them vibe very much. Crimson seemed to enforce that when they could have showed a scene of the cousins bonding over the Lollie break up but instead showed Jimmy the one concerned over Lois and Chloe annoyed that Lois was brought along then worried about her feelings and talking about getting her glass slippers back or whatever. It didn't make Chloe look good in that scenario but there were no threads condemning Chloe for that.

Farm_Girl

03-23-2007, 09:19 AM

The way Chloe has been acting with Lois this entire season, I am sure if Lois was doing the same, she would have been slaughtered and shred into pieces, not that she already isn't.

I was shocked when in Crimson, Jimmy was the one who brought Lois in the party and Chloe was angry at Jimmy for doing that!!

I am glad that the writers write Lois better and better in each episode. In Combat she was flawless. Her investigation and getting the story in the end was perfect and well deserved. She found out something that Chloe didn't.

Above all, Lois showed that he would still respect her cousin's privacy. In Arrow, Chloe deliberately kept information from Lois but if it were Lois I am sure she would have helped Chloe out.

The writers are clearly writing Lois as a better journalist than Chloe, Combat was an example of that and that is what keeps me happy that even the writers know that Lois Lane is the real reporter in this story.

Originally posted by p.he.nix
I didn't like how Lois was not broken hearted or down about Ollie. She was insensitive and coldhearted as if nothing had happen.

I think I am happy that atleast one of them (Lois and Clark) doesn't mope over failed relationships. Lois clearly told Oliver that don't expect me to be waiting. She isn't the type who would sit in her loft with a picture of Oliver and cry all night. I am glad that she has moved on. One of the reasons I believe that the writers must bring Lois and Clark romance on the show in order to show us why Lois is the soulmate of Man of Steel.

Dannyblue1

03-23-2007, 09:42 AM

Actually, I think I said I didn't think Lois did anything all that wrong. Didn't I say that? (Goes back to check.) Yes, I did say that.

What I did say that this episode was hardly a demonstration of Lois's superior investigative skills.

Show me a picture of some Latin words written on a wall. If I understand a little Latin, and know what the words mean, does that make me a great investigator? Not really. Just means I picked up a little Latin somewhere. However, if I didn't know what the words meant, and researched until I found out, then maybe...

samanta

03-23-2007, 09:47 AM

I'm not sure if people noticed it, but Chloe and Lois have no problem in their relationship. People in this site are seeing more than there is to see. Both girls are good reporters.They have only different approach.

It's not true that Chloe doesn't risk while workind on story. We saw it in Justice and many other episodes. Besides, how I wrote in another post, Chloe is in journalism a lot limited by her knowledge of Clark and other heroes.

I think the main reason that many people dislike Chloe is because they are afraid that she will take place that belond to Lois in comic. And many people dislike Lois because they are afraid that she will take place that belong to Chloe in Smallville.

Another thing - Some people hate Chloe because she made mistake in season 3 working with Lionel. But in the end she was punished (almost lost Clark friendship, almost was killed,...). Now people hate Chloe because she is flawless. That's little strange don't you think?

meggy

03-23-2007, 09:47 AM

..well, there hasnt been much Chlo-Lo..no. I dont see them as barely tolerating each other though....and they did have bonding moments about the Lollie vacation and the green lingerie...:lol:

there were "negative" responses for both girls in Crimson...not worrying about Lois' feelings as you say, but also Lois throwing Chloe on the ground and having yet another person belittle her for how she could never have clark:\ ..i know some ppl found that helluva alot funny...i didn't:\ ....

what i have realized is that TPTB make their 'rivalry' scenes purposefully ambiguous, and leave the fans to interpret and assume each character's response and battle it out. For instance:

In Arrow: there was no scene discussing what happened to the ring pic bet the cousins...so we dont know if Lois would be angry or not...

In Crimson: none of them addressed why Lois said what she did to her about Clark, and Chloe was not shown as angry/hurt about the comment

Hydro (i think!)..spoilers made a BIG DEAL about Jimmy and Lois investigating "behind Chloe's back" and how fans would be sooo upset....uh..yeah, Chloe wasnt even upset and it was just a passing comment in the larger scheme of dialog.

Combat: we have pages and pages debating the differences bet the girls and who is better, and who would never do what, and who could never be or never was...but you know what? None of us know if the cousin-love would have prevailed there, and maybe Chloe might have helped her get a story to save her job.. a possibility? yes...but she didn't want to do it with this story because it entailed CK's secret and very dangerous ppl....maybe it had little to do with stories but more to do with keeping her away from harm

and yes, Lois is a reckless girl, goes into a fight head on..but trust..if she knew there were killing aliens with super powers that could kill her and rip her to shreds in a minute..then she wouldn't jump in without at least some backup....she doesn't have the knowledge about these situations that Chloe has at this time. Lois isn't going to watch a tornado and say "OHH, look a pretty tornado!..maybe there's a story in the center of it..lemme go get it!"...and i would say, whether there is a rivalry or not...not Lois or Chloe would want her cousin to get hurt.

fans sometimes assume that it is all about the stories with them as they are both now journalists...and so far I havent seen much to warrant that they are at each other's throats for a story...maybe it will be that way in season 7...they seem to be strangely ambiguous about keeping their stories separate, or their involvement in the story separate...as for the rest of the season when everything is supposed to tie in...i don't know.

i guess i am living in an unrealistic world where i'm trying to find the best in both girls, not have to have my like for them be mutually exclusive, and not see why we have to categorize one as better than the other....they're different, imho.

until i see a clear, unambiguous scene where Chloe/Lois is hurt/saddened/dissapointed/angry because one/the other took something, lied, was deceitful...whatever...and betrayed the trust...then i'm not too worried about Chlo-Lo

if the above happens in the future, then i'll comment on it then
ok..this was a long post:eek:

edit: samanta..let me say WORD!...But i'll disagree a little and say that neither Lois nor Chloe are flawless, and havent been portrayed so...that's why I like them....remember all, Chloe has been on the show for six years now. During that time, she has had story lines where she made mistakes and learned from then. Lois has been on the show for 2-3 years...now she is making her own mistakes and learning from them

SnarkMasterJ

03-23-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Chloe didn't notice the Kryptonian tatoo, Clark did. He said Chloe to freeze on the frame. Chloe only asked "Is that Kryptonian?"

Chloe as she says herself, is at best Clark's sidekick because she isn't independently working on any story, heck, she doesn't have the time to publish any story that would give her fame or a front page byline because all she is doing right now is what anyone can do if given a laptop and internet connection.

When it comes to journalism, Lois is and will be far more successful than Chloe because Lois won't sit on her laptop and search, she would be the one to do the running and fighting to get the story.

Lois can never be a great hacker because that is not her field of expertise, similarly, Chloe isn't the intrepid reporter anymore because all she is doing is hacking/assisting Clark. No investigative journalism there. If we go back to Subterranean this season, the byline Chloe got was totally because Clark worked on that immigrants issue. Chloe did nothing.

You'd benefit from reading this post again:

Originally posted by seacrystal
ETA: This is not to compare Lois with anyone or trying to make her look better or things like that, it's simply just a perspective on how everyone has their own positive attributes and character strengths, and I think we should give all of them credit where it's due. Not simply focusing on their mistakes or unfairly judging every one of their actions.

If you don't appreciate some posters' opinions on how much investigation EDLois actually did, don't return the favor and try to belittle Chloe in the same breath just to make her look bad.

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Actually, I think I said I didn't think Lois did anything all that wrong. Didn't I say that? (Goes back to check.) Yes, I did say that.

What I did say that this episode was hardly a demonstration of Lois's superior investigative skills.

Show me a picture of some Latin words written on a wall. If I understand a little Latin, and know what the words mean, does that make me a great investigator? Not really. Just means I picked up a little Latin somewhere. However, if I didn't know what the words meant, and researched until I found out, then maybe...

I completely agree. The main issue isn't that EDLois did nothing, because obviously, that's not the case. She did something. But it's not like she's a raging success because she identified with one thing in someone else's picture. I just don't get the superior investigation thing either. She got lucky 'cause she grew up a military brat. It doesn't make her intuition more keen or developed than anyone else's.

Originally posted by samanta
I'm not sure if people noticed it, but Chloe and Lois have no problem in their relationship. People in this site are seeing more than there is to see. Both girls are good reporters.They have only different approach.

It's not true that Chloe doesn't risk while workind on story. We saw it in Justice and many other episodes. Besides, how I wrote in another post, Chloe is in journalism a lot limited by her knowledge of Clark and other heroes.

I think the main reason that many people dislike Chloe is because they are afraid that she will take place that belond to Lois in comic. And many people dislike Lois because they are afraid that she will take place that belong to Chloe in Smallville.

Another thing - Some people hate Chloe because she made mistake in season 3 working with Lionel. But in the end she was punished (almost lost Clark friendship, almost was killed,...). Now people hate Chloe because she is flawless. That's little strange don't you think?

I would definitely say so. All good points.

sithius

03-23-2007, 09:59 AM

I want to know how she figured the location of the fight club out so easily... with the with the letters on the wall. Loads on the net would have figured it out too...

Ginx

03-23-2007, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by sithius
I want to know how she figured the location of the fight club out so easily... with the with the letters on the wall. Loads on the net would have figured it out too...

She's been there before - she said she was an army brat. She just knew what is was right off.

freefall

03-23-2007, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I'm confused by those who have been singing the praises of Lois's investigative skills. After all, she found out something Chloe didn't. So, she was the better investigator in this episode, right?

Well, from what I saw, Lois didn't actually investigate anything. Lois spotted something in a picture that she was lucky enough to recognize because she's a military brat. She didn't have to do research to know what it was because she was familiar with it already.

So, because she got lucky, she's a better investigator than Chloe? (Who did actual research and found out things like who was running the fight club. And who might have spotted the same thing Lois did if coffee hadn't gotten spilled on the picture, and she wasn't focussed on the tattoo.)

I won't go into whether how Lois got the picture is ethical or not. I don't actually think anything was all that wrong with it. However, if they think this is the way to show us Lois blossoming into a great investigative reporter (first, begging Chloe for a story before thinking of looking for one on her own, then having to do no real research to find the story she got) I think they better try something else.

So what if she managed to notice a minute detail on a picture, and uses her knowledge from being a general's daughter? So what if she got lucky? So what if reporters stumble upon stories they aren't out to get initially? This is like saying Chloe doesn't deserve her DP internship at 15 just because she got "lucky" and kidnapped by that crazy cop in Obscura, and that kidnapping story she wrote is what got her the DP internship.

The ultimate mark of a good reporter is combining everything in within his/her resources and their own personal strengths/experiences and making full use of them, and ultimately pursues the story on their own, undercover or not. Hardcore journalists also have killer hunches, they're good at reading people and always use the situations to their own advantage.

It's not enough just having a flair for words to make one a real journalist. So many people are good with words or can research stuff from the computer, but it still doesn't automatically make them a journalist. And in this case, Lois' journalistic talents are definitely not out of the blue. She already has been shown to be really good at investigating stuff since she first came to Smallville itself.

Dannyblue1

03-23-2007, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
So what if she managed to notice a minute detail on a picture, and uses her knowledge from being a general's daughter? So what if she got lucky? So what if reporters stumble upon stories they aren't out to get initially?

Once again, I didn't say there was anything wrong with any of that. But looking at a picture and seeing something you happen to recognize is hardly "a great investigative skill."

She already has been shown to be really good at investigating stuff since she first came to Smallville itself.

Lois has shown that she can do good investigative work. But I think what she did in this episode has been blown out of proportion. Call it what it was. She got lucky. There was really no research required on her part. Reporters do get lucky sometimes. And that's what they call it. Luck.

freefall

03-23-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Once again, I didn't say there was anything wrong with any of that. But looking at a picture and seeing something you happen to recognize is hardly "a great investigative skill."

Lois has shown that she can do good investigative work. But I think what she did in this episode has been blown out of proportion. Call it what it was. She got lucky. There was really no research required on her part. Reporters do get lucky sometimes. And that's what they call it. Luck.

You have to back up your claim on that then. There are a lot of ways to "research" and "investigate" to get information, and going undercover is definitely one of them.

Dannyblue1

03-23-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
You have to back up your claim on that then. There are a lot of ways to "research" and "investigate" to get information, and going undercover is definitely one of them.

Um, back up my claim on what, exactly?

Lois saw something in a picture she happened to recognize. She went to the place (to investigate, yes). She got caught.

Hardly "superior investigative skills."

Every character on SV has done something similar. So, are they all great investigators too.

My point is, if they want to show me that Lois is a great investigator (which is what I think they were trying to do), this didn't cut it.

myankskent

03-23-2007, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1

My point is, if they want to show me that Lois is a great investigator (which is what I think they were trying to do), this didn't cut it.

Actually, I think that they were trying to show that Lois would put risk being killed to investigate a story, which they showed show quite well in this episode.

freefall

03-23-2007, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Um, back up my claim on what, exactly?

Lois saw something in a picture she happened to recognize. She went to the place (to investigate, yes). She got caught.

Hardly "superior investigative skills."

Every character on SV has done something similar. So, are they all great investigators too.

My point is, if they want to show me that Lois is a great investigator (which is what I think they were trying to do), this didn't cut it.

Lois definitely cuts it. I've also said before having a keen eye of detail is also a trait of any good journalist. You can look at the picture for hours but still can completely miss any clues that might be there. This is also a continuity to Exposed when Lois was the one who remarked to Det. Sawyer about the Jimmy Choos' shoes that girl who got killed was wearing, which even got the detective finally seeing there could be something fishy about the hit-and-run. Sawyer initially just dismissed it as "it's no mystery what happened there".

Dannyblue1

03-23-2007, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by myankskent
Actually, I think that they were trying to show that Lois would put risk being killed to investigate a story, which they showed show quite well in this episode.

No argument there. But this thread was about Lois being such a great investigator (in terms of finding the "fight club" and such) in this ep, which I just didn't see.

LovelyLoisLane

03-23-2007, 11:08 AM

*rolls eyes and throws carrots at everyone*

I told my fiancee this was going to happen on this site. One of these days you guys are all going to surprise me and discuss Chloe and Lois or even Chloe vs Lois without resorting to arguing. I look forward to that day. I'll buy everyone a drink at the local Casba, and for all you minors you can get an Italian Soda. ;)

I had no problem with Lois at all in this episode though I myself am admittedly quite biased. She's my favorite character, et al.
Chloe is steadily becoming one of my least favorite characters.

However I agree that it's no 'leap of extraordinary skill' that she looked at a picture. She does have a good memory though to remember the exact hanger number of Fort Ryan. Then again I seem to recall that 'Fort Ryan' has been mentioned since Lois' arrival in Smallville before.

She didn't steal anyone's story because Chloe wasn't intending to write a story and told Lois to her face it was just a dead end. So nothing wrong with snooping in her OWN trash can in her OWN apartment and running with what she found. Had she gotten on Chloe's computer and took what was on there then THAT would be stealing.

This episode established that Lois does whatever she can to 'get the story' even putting herself right in the Lion's Den or flirting with a lesbian fighter. She also went after someone much more powerful than herself because her friend was in trouble.

So I agree with Myank, this episode was more about showing us Lois' tenacity. I also again agree that looking at a picture isn't Uber Talent as well.

meggy

03-23-2007, 11:13 AM

what is interesting about the picture scenario is that when the girls watched it..they saw different things...they were looking for, and focused on, different things...

Lois: looking for a story..using her army knowledge to see the location of whatever fishy it was going on..she would have been oblivious to the tattoo

Chloe (and Clark): their focus was on meteor freaks fighting, they used knowledge of kryptonian to decipher what was really up with this particular fighter...

same picture, but different things that could be gleaned from it..obviously, the writers wanted to show how it was approached from different sides...and they get props for that :)

Nightingale20

03-23-2007, 12:53 PM

Chlo-Lo this season hasn’t been as enjoyable sadly but I’m still holding out some hope for the old cousin dynamic. If they rivalry was as eas suggested have Chloe and Lois be competitive as in having friendly bets going to lunch and the loser paying it would have been better than them at the start of the season sniping at each other.

I don’t think this episode as Nospam pointed out was a shining moment for either girl. Chloe had a small role in the episode and I don’t think this episode showed Lois much better than Chloe or anything like that. I didn’t think the picture in the garbage was a great case scenario showing for Lois, but I don’t think it was bad either. She went to the fight club, took some pictures for her article, fought and got knocked out and brief mention of her working on the article (it was a brief appearance). Combat was mostly about Clark's turn around which was nice especially since last week (with a side of Lexana).

Originally posted by meggy
i guess i am living in an unrealistic world where i'm trying to find the best in both girls, not have to have my like for them be mutually exclusive, and not see why we have to categorize one as better than the other....they're different, imho.

That makes the two of us. I’m wondering how bad the thread would have been if Chloe and Lois had actually had a fight. I really don’t get the whole Chloe vs. Lois thing or understand why both can’t be like. I like them both though yes Lois is my fave, but I still like Chloe a lot. They just go well together.

what is interesting about the picture scenario is that when the girls watched it..they saw different things...they were looking for, and focused on, different things...

That was great. Both girls have different approaches to investigation which is nice because it would be boring if they had the same skills.

Originally posted by LovelyLoisLane
Then again I seem to recall that 'Fort Ryan' has been mentioned since Lois' arrival in Smallville before.

Wow, more continuity. They really are making the effort.
:cool:

Ania

03-23-2007, 01:35 PM

Did anyone else noticed how Lois looked at Chloe's laptop and turned back, even though her job depended on it? It reminded me Lana trying to break into the same computer to satisfy HER curiosity *snicker* I'd cut Lois some slack and say rubbish bin is not copyrighted. And Chloe said there's nothing interesting there anyway.

I loved that Chloe and Lois found the prison in two different ways. Investigation overdose, for Smallville standards. And again Chloe is the brainy one sending Clark to throw punches and Clark meeting Lois in the final.

Kal-ed

03-23-2007, 02:02 PM

This is getting ridiculous, Lois did not go through the garbage, she merely picked it up, as it was in plain sight. Secondly she didnt know it was related to what ever Chloe had on her lap top, we can speculate about Lois knowing, but as far as we know, Lois saw a random shot, and noticed it was taken in FR a place she is familiar with, so she knew there shouldnt be some wrestler dude there and decided it would be a good story.

As far as Lois, deceiving someone (Chloe or Clark) I would like to be pointed where exactly... Lois did not lie, well only to the chick guard, but that was about it, again, as far as we know Lois did not know it was Chloe´s story. It was in the trash, why would it be??? If Lois had automatically conected the pic to Chloe´s research she would have instantly taken an intrests in the picture, but she didnt, in fact she almost threw it back into the can before noticing the FR-44 which is what spiked her curiosity. So again I dont see where Lois deceived or triked anyone.

And I disagree with people saying Chloe´s attitude towards Lois was at all negative (at least in this episode) Lois asked Chloe for a favour, one Chloe couldnt comply with, for Lois´s safety and for Clark´s secret sake. Also Chloe´s research was indeed very helpfull and Clark wouldnt have found a way in if it hadnt been for Chloe finding out the Promotor´s real identity.

So all I saw was two good reporter girls, with diferent aproaches to the way they do their reseacht. Dont see what´s all the big fuzz about, Im sure as soon as Lois or Chloe do something bad or amoral to one a nother, one will call the other one for it, no need to speculate. We have seen Chloe call Clark on his snapping at her at least two times (Hydro and Combat) and I just dont see "take no prisioner" Lois letting Chloe walk over her, so untill they actually have a fight or an argument we can asume they have no bad blood between them, minus a stupid badly... scratch that, horribly written "friendly" competition, the writers cant seem to fully grasp the concept of FRIENDLY.

Ireallylikethisshow

03-23-2007, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by pleasenoclois
This episode made me dislike Lois even more... if that's possible. Going through her cousin's trash? How low is THAT?!?! She could have been stealing Chloe's story for all she knew.
Gotta get back to Grey's right now. I have more to say about this though.

Well.

1. Lois's apartment, Lois's trash

2. She didn't look at her computer

3. No one could find the chebacobra- except Mulder (I willl never be able to spell that!)

4. Chloe said she didn't have a story, so Lois didn't know if it was her story... maybe she did, but maybe not. It's in the character's brain. It was more Clark's story... he did all the work.

5. She's Lois Lane, who's also known as 'mad dog lane' who does this. It's just who she is... and it's one bad character trait and compared to everyone else's.... not that bad! She's can be a perfect robot.

Originally posted by Ania
Did anyone else noticed how Lois looked at Chloe's laptop and turned back, even though her job depended on it? It reminded me Lana trying to break into the same computer to satisfy HER curiosity *snicker* I'd cut Lois some slack and say rubbish bin is not copyrighted. And Chloe said there's nothing interesting there anyway.

I loved that Chloe and Lois found the prison in two different ways. Investigation overdose, for Smallville standards. And again Chloe is the brainy one sending Clark to throw punches and Clark meeting Lois in the final.

I agree, Lana totally tried to break into her computer and got half the blame Lois got...

Originally posted by Kal-ed
This is getting ridiculous, Lois did not go through the garbage, she merely picked it up, as it was in plain sight. Secondly she didnt know it was related to what ever Chloe had on her lap top, we can speculate about Lois knowing, but as far as we know, Lois saw a random shot, and noticed it was taken in FR a place she is familiar with, so she knew there shouldnt be some wrestler dude there and decided it would be a good story.

Exactly. No lying, or decieving...

I doubt she knew that Clark and Chloe were both on the story..

Remember! Later on when she saw Clark she was surprised!

smallvilleobsessor17

03-23-2007, 02:16 PM

Though I hate Lois, I thought how she found out about the story was clever, until she got to the fight place and started to take pictures everywhere without making sure no one came around.

meggy

03-23-2007, 02:18 PM

thanks kal-ed

smallvilleobsessor17

03-23-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
This is getting ridiculous, Lois did not go through the garbage, she merely picked it up, as it was in plain sight. Secondly she didnt know it was related to what ever Chloe had on her lap top, we can speculate about Lois knowing, but as far as we know, Lois saw a random shot, and noticed it was taken in FR a place she is familiar with, so she knew there shouldnt be some wrestler dude there and decided it would be a good story.

Yeah, and it's not like there was anything else really in the garbage.

Kal-ed

03-23-2007, 02:36 PM

^^We dont know if it was the only thing in the garbage or not, what we do know is that regardless of the amount of trash behind the pic, its the fact that it was on top, and Lois didnt actually go through the trash, but she merely picked it up. She didnt go through the trash trying to find something on Chloe´s research, she stubled onto somethin, she most likely didnt know was related to what ever Clark and Chloe were being secretive about.

Originally posted by meggy
thanks kal-ed

For what:\

Really, I just wonder why this good Journalists Chloe and Lois episode, turned out once again as some fight, that even, magically included Lana (still dont see how she came into the argument). Anyhow both Lois and Chloe did a good job and instead of commenting on it, each side are riping the other character apart, when in fact neither girl did wrong and both did very well.

Lois, having an eye for detail and a perceptive gut, also the guts to go out and infiltrate to research is prety comendable.

Chloe doing a great research, I know a lot people are sick of Chloe´s crazy computer skills, how ever, this time around, I saw it diferently. For one she didnt hack in, or trace back, or rereouted a signal, etc. It wasnt her hacking skills, that shined but her ability to actually research information and profiling.

They both did great and yet there are almost 30 pages of people wriping them apart.:\

Ania

03-23-2007, 02:49 PM

Also, the picture from the bin showed Titan and fight promoter, the picture Lois saw on Chloe's computer showed Titan's last victim. Lois didn't have to know she's picking the story Chloe found.

harryandginnyfanatic

03-23-2007, 03:16 PM

IMO there was never a story to steal. Cause Chloe was never working on one.

MidgardDragon

03-23-2007, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
IMO there was never a story to steal. Cause Chloe was never working on one.

Thank you for getting it.

neon ballroom

03-23-2007, 03:34 PM

I don't think it can be said that Nois would risk her life for the story - she didn't know what she was getting herself into. This is demonstrated when she told Clark that all they had to do was throw a few punches. Nois had NO idea that she was up against meteor freaks and people from Kypton.

She did however demonstrate the fact that she would practically make-out with a girl for a story... an unfortunate twist to this story is the not so subtle stereotypical male fantasy that was played out. Kinda degrading in my opinion, but I guess it's not the first time the writers on Smallville have tried this...

Ania

03-23-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by neon ballroom
I don't think it can be said that Nois would risk her life for the story - she didn't know what she was getting herself into. This is demonstrated when she told Clark that all they had to do was throw a few punches. Nois had NO idea that she was up against meteor freaks and people from Kypton.All she demonstrated was telling poor "Smallville" to not be worried. I've never seen Lois so serious before, except when she was tracking down Chloe's murderer.

Originally posted by neon ballroom
She did however demonstrate the fact that she would practically make-out with a girl for a story...She didn't freak out and run, that's difference, you know.

Originally posted by neon ballroom
an unfortunate twist to this story is the not so subtle stereotypical male fantasy that was played out. Kinda degrading in my opinion, but I guess it's not the first time the writers on Smallville have tried this... Lois is hot and go-getter reporter, what's degrading about that? :lol:

jazel

03-23-2007, 03:58 PM

Lois doesn't back down....lol.....the girl was in her face, she "played" it perfectly ;)

SteveS

03-23-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Um, back up my claim on what, exactly?

Lois saw something in a picture she happened to recognize. She went to the place (to investigate, yes). She got caught.

Hardly "superior investigative skills."

Every character on SV has done something similar. So, are they all great investigators too.

My point is, if they want to show me that Lois is a great investigator (which is what I think they were trying to do), this didn't cut it.

An apt description of lois investigative technique would be called 'dumb luck', the luck being in finding something that Chloe was clearly working on and the dumb being somewhat typical of the this version of lois. She did managed to get KO'd all on her own, which was my favorite part of the story.

What little lois did was due to Chloe's research, had she not found Chloe's picture in the trash, lois could have spent the rest of her day playing video games or possibly skateboarding.

Ania

03-23-2007, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by ChlarkMe
Story aside. LOIS LANE is on the verge of being FIRED from the Inquisitor because she can't get a story. That's insane. No, because she didn't leave a story that was too difficult for Mulder. Lois thinks big. I love that. She holds to her story like a pitbull. I love it. She gets dirty to solve it. Even better. I love it that she works for Inquisitor, because no normal newspaper would believe somebody could dig chupacabras and sneezing aliens.

And Lois forced to write a different story at eleventh hour to no loose the job. Awwww, Lois :lol: Life is hard sometimes for an idealist like you!

harryandginnyfanatic

03-23-2007, 05:17 PM

I really don't see how Lois (that's right, LOIS. Not Nois, Temp Lois or EDlois, LOIS) using her dancer cover story is any different from Chloe pretending to deliver flowers to the secretary in Blank [deleted scene on DVD] to get into Summerholt. Where she eventually got caught by the way, just like Lois did in Combat.

If anything. This episode was just a recycled mix of Blank and Exposed.

Ania

03-23-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by SteveS
An apt description of lois investigative technique would be called 'dumb luck', the luck being in finding something that Chloe was clearly working on and the dumb being somewhat typical of the this version of lois.We have two reporters. One is a friend of an alien who constantly gets into trouble he can't solve without help and his love interest have countless stalkers. The other one digs her stories in trash cans, runs after robbers, pretends to be a streeper, search urban legends and keeps an open mind about weather phenomena. Now which one do you think uses "dumb alien *scratch that* luck"?

You remind me of the lot who looks at a Mondrian's art and says "everyone could paint that". Sure they could. Once they realise something like that is worth working at.

Originally posted by SteveS
She did managed to get KO'd all on her own, which was my favorite part of the story.She fought Phantom Zoner who has just almost KO'ed Clark. I found that impressive and very Lois Lane.

Originally posted by SteveS
What little lois did was due to Chloe's research,I wouldn't call printing Oliver's picture a "research". More like... printing a picture somebody found because somebody else noticed something interesting.

Originally posted by SteveS
had she not found Chloe's picture in the trash, lois could have spent the rest of her day playing video games or possibly skateboarding. Unlike Chloe, who has to be presented with a direct link by her friend, Lois can find a story even in a trash bin. :lol:

liana

03-23-2007, 07:27 PM

This whole ChloeXLoisXLana is really getting old. :rolleyes:

No one did anyone special on this episode. Chloe didn't do any research. In fact, she was only acessing a site that Oliver gave to Clark with the password Oliver gave to Clark. No investigative skills needed. What she did, was to find out who the doctor was, which, by the way, wasn't the information Lois found on the trash.

Second, Lois didn't go after anything on the trash. She was throwing away her cup when she saw a picture with the last victim. She just reached and got the picture because it picked her attention because she knew what the numbers meant. End of the story. She wasn't trying to steal anything from Chloe, because if she was, she would have looked at her computer and she didn't. The writers purposelly showing her looking at it and dismissing it. The whole point of that scene was to show that even being desperate, Lois wouldn't do it. There is no point in purposely trying to find something that simply wasn't there just because the mere existence of Lois is a threat to your favorite character. End of the story.

No one was brilliant on this episode. Lois was tenacious, but not brilliant. Clark was completely out of control. Lex was a pathetic attempt on a villain. Lana was the sacrifitial lamb on the Luthors Altar and Chloe barelly made a difference. Martha was a plot device for whatever the writers wanted her to say this week, as she has been since Crimson. On the whole a weak episode there was flattering to no one, especially the writer and director.

clois_lover10

03-24-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I really don't see how Lois (that's right, LOIS. Not Nois, Temp Lois or EDlois, LOIS) using her dancer cover story is any different from Chloe pretending to deliver flowers to the secretary in Blank [deleted scene on DVD] to get into Summerholt. Where she eventually got caught by the way, just like Lois did in Combat.

If anything. This episode was just a recycled mix of Blank and Exposed.

Lois is most definitely Lois. :p It's so annoying when people say Nois and Temp Lois- who the heck are those characters? We should start calling Chloe "Nloe"and "AMChloe" just to confuse people even more. :lol:

cmm

03-24-2007, 04:17 PM

I didn't mind how she fished the picture out the trash and I am a Chloe fan. what I did mind however was the ridiculous matrix looking she turned up in and the way she started taking pictures without knowing what the heck she was taking pictures for.

I dunno I admit I dont' liek this encarnation of lois on smallville she seems lazy, overbearing and too flirtatious. I get that her job is on the line but, geesh to beg her cousin for a story???? That's just low and I really wish the writers would of never of done that.

Mischael12

03-24-2007, 06:09 PM

She didn't beg, she asked for help. Thats the problem now a days people view things as begging and to ask for help is automatically a weakness.

Her entrance into the place was planned, do you know what the means people?

That means the outfit she wore was part of her ploy, She used the strip club across the Street as an explanation as why she was going down the road.

Now would it make sense to say you work at a strip club, wearing jeans and shirt?

No.

Anyway I wonder sometimes how many people have read the comics and watch the tv shows and know much about the characters before they past judgment?

cmm

03-24-2007, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Mischael12
She didn't beg, she asked for help. Thats the problem now a days people view things as begging and to ask for help is automatically a weakness.

Her entrance into the place was planned, do you know what the means people?

That means the outfit she wore was part of her ploy, She used the strip club across the Street as an explanation as why she was going down the road.

Now would it make sense to say you work at a strip club, wearing jeans and shirt?

No.

Anyway I wonder sometimes how many people have read the comics and watch the tv shows and know much about the characters before they past judgment?

That's the part that bothered me you get a flat, so you go into some huge ominous looking building to find help??? That excuse was lame, alright I'll give you that she asked for help. But, what reporter asks for help?? They're supposed to have the chops to be able to seek out a story on their own. Also, the suit was less strippy and more matrixy to me.

Deana

03-24-2007, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by cmm
That's the part that bothered me you get a flat, so you go into some huge ominous looking building to find help??? That excuse was lame, alright I'll give you that she asked for help. But, what reporter asks for help?? They're supposed to have the chops to be able to seek out a story on their own. Also, the suit was less strippy and more matrixy to me. The asking for help thing was a device for seeking out a story.

LOL, maybe she graduated from stars in stripes...to elecktra in her routine. :D

Mischael12

03-24-2007, 06:55 PM

Actually she didn't go in looking for help, as you can see she went in with a container, thusly her intent was "too look for water" she got caught by Ashley, and planning ahead she had an excuse.

Also i don't think it was a flat.

Reports are people too, their not Gods, and Chloe's her cousin of course she would ask her for help. Its not as if she went crying to jimmy, or lex or lana or something.

Radioflyer

03-24-2007, 10:22 PM

The only thing that bugged me most was the clue that got Lois there. I've been in my fair share of military aircraft hangers or warehouses, Ramstein, Rome, England, and I cant remember one that had signage telling me what base I'm on. If you're in a hanger and need a sign to tell you this you probably shouldn't be there. It would have been a lot better if she recognized something like an old squadron insignia painted on the wall or recognized the painting scheme. Often the color palate or the stenciled signage on the pipes would be enough a clue for narrowing down the location.

All about Clark

03-24-2007, 11:17 PM

I can easily overlook Lois asking Chloe and Clark for a story, since she is new to this and inexperienced, not to mention she would have been killed if Clark wasn't there.

At first I thought that since she was looking at stuff they were involved in, that she should have told them, but then again, they clearly didn't want her involved. I actually thought that was hilarious that they ran out the moment she got home.

I thought that Lois did handle herself pretty well, the problem was that no one knew where she was and she made herself overly vulnerable, no back-up plan what-so-ever.

freefall

03-24-2007, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Radioflyer
The only thing that bugged me most was the clue that got Lois there. I've been in my fair share of military aircraft hangers or warehouses, Ramstein, Rome, England, and I cant remember one that had signage telling me what base I'm on. If you're in a hanger and need a sign to tell you this you probably shouldn't be there. It would have been a lot better if she recognized something like an old squadron insignia painted on the wall or recognized the painting scheme. Often the color palate or the stenciled signage on the pipes would be enough a clue for narrowing down the location.

All in the name of plot devices. That FR-44 is just to clue in the viewers in as well, anyway, also a continuity to S4 where the General spent some time at Fort Ryan itself when Lois and Clark went snooping around in his office for info about Chloe's deaths.

You really don't want to read to whole thread discussing the technicalities and realisms during that scene where Clark dismantled the nuclear warhead in space ;)

Aoi

03-24-2007, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
No argument there. But this thread was about Lois being such a great investigator (in terms of finding the "fight club" and such) in this ep, which I just didn't see.

Just because she got from the get go the place where the fights are held and did not use her "tracking skills" to find it does not mean she hasn't done any investigation in the entirety of the episode. Googling for the venue is not the only form of research or investigation there is. Sure, it is pure luck that she has been to the place before and recognized it. However, there is also the form of investigation called "undercover" which Lois used in this episode. Rather than look for more information about the club from other sources, she decided to sniff it on her own. First-hand information, you might say. Whether she got caught or not does not really matter. She was inside and participating in one of the fights; she got all the information she needs for her article (once she got out of that place) which was the whole point anyway.

This just shows that Chloe's form of "investigative reporting" is different from Lois'. So it is best to not expect Lois to do things based on how Chloe does her job.

;)