Clark Bloody & Beaten up by Titan/Missed something?/too easy (merged)

[niki]

"Time to die, Kryptonian!"

These last two episodes have been full of moments of suspense so early on in the episode!

I definitely didn't expect the guy that Titan was keeping the crap out of to be Clark!

DUN DUN DUN!

[jimmyolsenblues]

Should Titan be able to make clark bleed?

[nightshadz]

Absolutely. If someone as strong as Clark hits him, it will hurt.

[Krypton935]

totally he is an alien

[superhippie2000]

that was pretty cool. and ya anything stronger or as strong as clark can make him bleed.

[idunowinks]

are they doing this episode like starting from the end, and then the rest of the episode will be like how it got to that point?? i dont really like when they do that.

[svfan50]

Originally posted by idunowinks
are they doing this episode like starting from the end, and then the rest of the episode will be like how it got to that point?? i dont really like when they do that.



Neither do I....they seem to have started this since Promise...it sucks..!!!

[idunowinks]

yep. 46 hours earlier..and talking to ollie

[STFanatic]

Me either, unless done really well the reverse timelines are really corney.

[God-Man]

Originally posted by idunowinks
are they doing this episode like starting from the end, and then the rest of the episode will be like how it got to that point?? i dont really like when they do that.

That's so Alias. :p They should have had the show start 47 hours earlier. :p ;)

[STFanatic]

Wow he grew a spine since last week?

[svfan50]

O M G....Lois identified it..!! and Clark is behaving like a jerk!!

But it is definately exciting..!!! It is a much much much..better episode than Promise...I am loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SuperFan85]

I like when they play with the timeline of an episode. It makes it different and more interesting

[djpnutz]

Originally posted by STFanatic
Wow he grew a spine since last week?

haha seriously!

[auctionmonster]

It appears that this the smallville universe Clark is far weaker than in the comics. In the comics it takes guys like doomsday to make clark bleed and seriously hurt.

It seems like on smallville that he gets hurt at least every other episode.

[Bandit06]

Clark isn't as powerful yet and he hasn't undergone his training yet

[Tropicaltalent]

Pre-Crisis, he could juggle planets or the like...

Supe's power is never a constant.

[HowardFilms]

His powers continue to grow. He is still not nearly as strong as Superman is when he fights Doomsday and the like. Between maturing and soaking up more yellow sun, he'll get there. I mean, heck, he doesn't even have all the powers yet, so it's no suprise the ones he has are still getting stronger.

[Ginx]

Originally posted by Bandit06
Clark isn't as powerful yet and he hasn't undergone his training yet

Yeah and he's also just now starting to really let go with his powers - before he's always kept them pretty much in check so it's hard to say how powerful CK actually is in Smallville. Looks like he's still got a lot of room to grow but he held his own....got to give him props for that.


Originally posted by HowardFilms
His powers continue to grow. He is still not nearly as strong as Superman is when he fights Doomsday and the like. Between maturing and soaking up more yellow sun, he'll get there. I mean, heck, he doesn't even have all the powers yet, so it's no suprise the ones he has are still getting stronger.

You know...he does wear a lot of clothes...Clark should really soak up that sun more....loose some of those plaids and shirts etc....... lol.....;) :D

[Markd329]

Originally posted by djpnutz
haha seriously!

Not only did Clarkie grew a SPINE, but he grew some STEEL BALLS as well!

[Mik-El231984]

in the comics mainly the ones who can draw blood from superman are not from earth. doomsday, darkseid, mongul are a couple. but the prisoners from the phantom zone have all been able to hurt him in some sense which is a nice change of pace from the minute and a half battles we're used to from meteor freaks. and i agree what everyone else has said, his powers are still growing by the day, but for the most part clark also holds back sometimes when fighting. with titan he really let loose

[jimmyolsenblues]

I really think either he is much weaker in this universe or he is tremendously pulling his punches, like he truly not even today could imagine his true strength limits.

[Ville317]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Should Titan be able to make clark bleed?

Darkseid could....and Titan had the same strength....though no omega beams......

[Meteror Freak]

YES! clark is way weaker in smallville than he was in the comics. But it's okay cause he's only 19. The superman in the comics would never take his anger out on criminals by seriously inguring them.

[BABarracus]

YES! clark is way weaker in smallville than he was in the comics. But it's okay cause he's only 19. The superman in the comics would never take his anger out on criminals by seriously inguring them. superman has to restrain him self in the comics becuase he cannot just go up to lex and punch him in the face he dose get bloody when he fights some one of equal power

[Dark Knight23]

The reason why Clark isn't as strong as the future Superman is because he has only soaked up 20 years or so of yellow sun. When he becomes Superman in the comics he is 30 and he has soaked up alot of rays by then. So it is harder for him to bleed because he has soaked up so much yellow sun.

[fasterthenflash]

why was clark bleeding? is he weak towards phantoms?

[Jetta]

First, Titan was a Zoner, not a Phantom. Second, Clark isn't weak toward them, it is just that they are about as powerful as he is, hence they can make him bleed.

[BABarracus]

that dosent pose ture with this show the 2 kryptonians that came from the ship had been on the earth for a couple of hours they fought him on a equal level apparntly lenth of time on the planet has no binding on how strong he gets the writers probly follow comics loosly.

they also inflated his power over time where they made it so powerful he could just throw planets around

[fasterthenflash]

ight thx , but whats diff between zoner and phantom

[Kal-ed]

ZOners are the ones that have their own bodies, Batista, Titan (and Nam ek and Aythir in case they escaped as well) and tecnically Raya would be a Zoner as well. On the other hand Baern (possed Bow Wow), the phantom that got into Clark in Labyrinth, and Zod are phantoms, since their corporeal bodies have been destroyed.

[fasterthenflash]

sweet got ya thx

[dru-zod2501]

Originally posted by Meteror Freak
YES! clark is way weaker in smallville than he was in the comics. But it's okay cause he's only 19. The superman in the comics would never take his anger out on criminals by seriously inguring them.
I'm pretty sure at this point he's approaching 22. But that's splitting hairs.

As a general rule, TV superman is much weaker than Movie/comic Superman just so they can fit his abilities into their budget. I bet when this clark grows up he's gonna need a space suit... just to go into space (shudder)

[optinox]

I finally got to watch the ep "combat", wow pretty intense episode. Clark's whole attitude was great, it seems he's finally learning that with all the gifts he posess he can't just stay home like the green arrow said and wait for trouble to land on his door step. His whole agressive attitude was great, and the fact that he was making the first move, with no fear, and just one motive to take care of Titan/phantom zoner.

Once again the fight scenes didn't last too long, but the producers should give us more action and less soap opera drama.
Clark could've easily beat Titan using super speed but then he'd win and a 2 min fight would be like a 10 sec fight, lol.

One thing I've noticed and wondering if anyone else has to. Clark's heat vision in early seasons was more like a transparent wave/beam, it seems now his heat vision has become red instead of transparent. We can assume the producers are using a different CGI program to do the special effects, but I would like to say that Clark's powers are getting stronger and his heat vision being Red is an idication of this.

Titan must of been punching pretty damn hard to make Clark bleed, but honestly if he was using the same force against normal humans he'd crush them with one punch, because alot of things are never explained, once again i'll assume Titan like Clark can determine how much force is necessary, but being a phantom zoner you'd think he just wouldn't care.

I think Clark sort of toyed with Titan, just testing him, Clark probably could've taken more of a beating but at the same time making him seem like he's out of breath in a 2 min fight seems unfair. Having Clark thrown around is one thing, but thrown around and looking fatigued is not right at all. Were talking about Clark Kent, the guy who stops an ongoing Bus like it was nothing, or catches an on going car like a beach ball. The episode was pretty good, fight scene could've been longer, and Clark shouldn't be fatigued as much as he was. In closing I will say that the punches from Titan must of knocked the wind out of Clark for him to be hurting or fatigued, but in the end Clark prevailed and i"m glad he did it by himself, no trickery and with the attitude that the greater good must be served, even if it means killing when you truly don't want to. I think Clark is starting to get what Jor-El told him about his emtions being his greatest weakness, Clark would rather take a beating then kill, but realizes that sometimes the things you don't want to do have to be done to save yourself and in this case humanity/earth.

[DarthJay]

Clark could have used all his powers and taken Titan down pretty quickly...but I don't think that would have given him the satisfaction he was looking for. Now before you rail me and say Clark isn't supposed to be like that -- look at a few other parts in the episode.

1) Martha confronted Clark about his recent crime-stopping spree. Not to tell him to stop, but to ask him why he was being so rough with them.

2) After the fight, Clark admits that he had a lot of anger when he fought Titan.

So, Martha hit the nail on the head. Clark was pissed about the wedding and had been looking for a good fight. He got it from Titan...so why end it quickly when you have all this rage to unleash and have found a sparring partner who you can unleash it on?

[Ginx]

Originally posted by SuperFan85
I like when they play with the timeline of an episode. It makes it different and more interesting

I agree. But I guess they do episodes this way to keep you guessing on how it got to be Clark getting his clock-cleaned. Also pulls in people who just want to check out the beginning to see if they want to watch the episode.

I like it when they toss it up a bit - not the same beginning to end sequence every time - but not crazy toss-up when you can't tell what's going on.

[fasterthenflash]

ya but i hope they dont do that every ep cuz they have done it 2 in a row.

[optinox]

Well that's why I said I think Clark was just toying with Titan, testing him, sparring for the heck of it. Inside he knew he had to take care of the phantom zoner, even if it meant killing him.

I also think he was using Titan to unleash some frustrations over Lana's wedding. Clark wasn't pissed off enough to go all out or he would've decimated Titan in a matter of seconds. You put Red Kryptonite Clark infront of Titan and there wouldn't be a fight. Red K Clark Kent has a short fuse and would probably take less of a beating that normal Clark Kent took.

As for his heat vision being Red, it could mean his powers are getting stronger or he just decided to turn his heat vision up a notch. Not that it's any relevence but in Superman Returns, the heat vision used when he breaks that piece off the plane wasn't the same colour Superman used near the end when he came flying down blasting his heat vision through the water, making a tunnel so he could pick up the island of Kryptonite.

If we see Clarks heat vision in the next few episodes Red then we can assume his powers are stronger, if we see his heat vision is more transparent like then we can also assume he's just controling the intensity of his heat vision. The have to make the battles interesting, given all of Clarks abilities he has now he could easily dismantle Titan, but for entertainment purposes Clark has to have somewhat of a challenge, in this case I feel his purpose wasn't just to get rid of the phantom zoner but also to play around a bit and let some anger out.

[All about Clark]

I didn't see it as Clark testing Titan, more that he just didn't know he needed to use full power. I think Clark feels he always has to restrain himself.

Also with his anger over Lexana wedding, Clark seemed to be seeking the fight, but not really comfortable with the killing until he felt his life threatened.

And to a prior poster, Clark hasn't had his 20th birthday yet, soon.

[Griffin]

I have a similar topic on the "General Discussion" section. This topic will be specifically about the Clark/Titan fight.

Now I realize this is a t.v. series and the powers that be on that show don't strictly go by the comics. They merge alot of Supermans mythos into one. So I'll explain how things work in the comics PRIOR to "Birthright" and the "Infinite Crisis", because the comics are canon. Television series, animated series, and movies don't count. I've seen many people use Smallville as their "source" for Superman in many Superman vs topics on various website.

As it stands in Smallville....

Clark is a kryptonian, a kryptonians cells absorb the solar radiation from a yellow star. The more a kryptonian absorbs the more powerful a kryptonian becomes. As it stands now there is no limit to how much a kryptonian absorbs. The solar radiation from a yellow star grants Clark his powers.

Clark had more solar reserves built up in him than Titan had. Reason is that Clark has been exposed longer to the sun than Titan.

Proof of this is that Clark was able to defeat Titan when Clark decided to stop holding back. He was more powerful than Titan.

Also, Titan shouldn't have made Clark bleed so quickly. Especially from the first blow. In the comics and in a book I have titled..."The Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel." It states that Clark has an invisible armor that makes him nigh invunerable. This "aura" is the result of his solar irradiated cells.

Only when he's going all out against a foe his equal or greater does this "aura" break down. Why, because he's using up the "juice" that makes him "Super". When he's using up his solar reserves that protective "aura" breaks down allowing damaging blows to injure him. That's why Clark died in the 1992 Death of Superman story.

The Titan/Clark fight last night lasted almost 4 minutes, and Clark looked pretty bad. For Clark to bleed like he did last night, that fight should have gone for several hours with Titan being his equal and the two going all out for his solar reserves to begin to run out. Also Clarks wounds should have begun healing, especially during the moments when he wasn't getting punched, and especially after Titan was down.

Now since the recent "Birthright" and "Infinite Crisis" series DC is re-adding alot of the Silver age back into comics. For instance in Superman "Birthright" it appears as soon as Clark landed on earth he had powers, rather than Clark slowly building up a solar reserve and slowly developing his powers over time, like in the t.v. show Smallville, and before the "Birthright" series. We'll have to see how it plays out in the comics..

[livin73]

Titan wasn't a Krypto so his strength may come from something other than the sun. Maybe he was strong enough to quickly overcome this "aura."

[wmthor]

Clark doesn't have an aura around his body yet. If he does his clothes will not be all thorn and all that whenever he walks in a burning building or stopping a missile.

[Disciple of Zod]

I would say that since Clark is still in Smallville he is just a boy 'SuperBoy' and is highly vulnerable to being hurt (bleed) fairly easy. Clark in Smallville must get educated in the Fortress and become a man 'SuperMan' thus making his "Aura" stronger so that his wombs will heal quicker.
I would agree though since Clark was fully "charged up" he shouldn't of have bled in the first few punches and also start to heal from his cuts by the end of the fight.

[j-kent]

To answer your questions sir

Clark does have an "aura" that protects him, but it does have its limit. The aura does NOT single handly protect him. The aura only extends cm if not mm from his body. It's used most notably to explain why his Superman suit doesn't retain any damage under say explosive conditions. This is all especially with a underdeveloped Kryptonian.

To clear things up for you, The Titan was NOT Kryptonian, but merely a phantom. Clark is not fully invulnerable as you think he is, he is not an immortal god-like entity. Clark's invulnerability comes from his very dense molecular structure...thus being the "man of steel". This invulnerability does have its limits as well, although it exceeds superhuman levels. The Titan's strength was stronger or equal to Clark's and therefore will make him bleed.

Lastly, his rapid regeneration or healing especially under HEAVY injury- such as the Titan does not come as fast as you think it does. His healing is almost instantaneous when under direct sunlight. This can be seen in "Superman Returns". As Lois removed the Kryptonite shard..it had not instantly healed until he flew above the clouds and soaked up direct sunlight. Only certain variants and comic continuations express the instant rapid healing factor. However smaller injuries you may see as instantaneous.

If Superman or Clark was superiorly invulnerable and did not have any downfalls then we would just be watching a god smiting everything down with ease...that's just too easy to conjure..and not to mention very boring.

[Peat Moss]

The aura is very close to his body, hence the tights. And yes, he has it, otherwise the nuclear missle would have made him naked (again) instead of tearing his clothes. The explosion only tore the parts of his clothes not close enough to his body, since they were relatively loose.

[Ardiem3]

Titan was way more stronger than Clark in the beginning of the fight. Clark is strong but not 100% strong yet. It wasnt until after the fight started to where Clark kicked the crap out of Titan. Clark is getting stronger and stronger with each fight.

[Admiral_N8]

Originally posted by Ardiem3
Titan was way more stronger than Clark in the beginning of the fight. Clark is strong but not 100% strong yet. It wasnt until after the fight started to where Clark kicked the crap out of Titan. Clark is getting stronger and stronger with each fight.

Well no, it's always been the way where Superman holds back until he's had enough and willingly ends the fight. He always gives the other guy a chance to stop, gives the guy a chance to show he doesnt really want to fight. Superman just doesnt run into a fight fists out smacking right away.

He wasnt weaker than Titan at first then somehow stronger at the end. He just had enough.

[magoo]

For me the fight was good but just wasn't in keeping with Clarks previous fights, particularly with Zod/Lex. I would have said that the fight with Zod was almost as violent but i don't remember Clark getting so much as a cut.

It would have been more believable to see him get cut right near the end of the fight after so much trauma but not right from the first punch.

[shadoo]

Originally posted by magoo
For me the fight was good but just wasn't in keeping with Clarks previous fights, particularly with Zod/Lex. I would have said that the fight with Zod was almost as violent but i don't remember Clark getting so much as a cut.

It would have been more believable to see him get cut right near the end of the fight after so much trauma but not right from the first punch.

Well Zod did pound Clark into a rock and made him spit up a lot of blood. He healed almost instantly.

Titan was pounding the crap out of Clark with blows that looked a tad bit more intense than anything Zod struck him with. Kryptonians aren't invulnerable, though they're very close.

We could say that it was a continuity error when writing Combat, but I don't think so. Maybe Titan was really that strong. The reason why his cut didn't seemingly heal was because it had, the blood was still just there. Or the cut didn't have time to heal because Titan pounded new injuries with each blow.

I think Clark defeated Titan because the zoner expended so much energy just inflicting the damage he did, that it drained him. Or perhaps that kryptonian will merged with rage allowed him to sap more juice stored in his cells than he had ever done before. Case in point: Superman Returns. Superman lifts a mass of land weighing millions of pounds. The effort almost killed him.

Maybe Clark did the same thing and now realizes that he could do so in the future. He could push himself and draw even more power from his solar cells. So if Zod returned with a new body, perhaps it won't be such a one sided affair as before.

[karin]

Clark is a kryptonian, a kryptonians cells absorb the solar radiation from a yellow star. The more a kryptonian absorbs the more powerful a kryptonian becomes. As it stands now there is no limit to how much a kryptonian absorbs. The solar radiation from a yellow star grants Clark his powers



I'm sick of reading this because smallville has been showing the exact opposite for the entire show now ..

The first 2 Kryptonians in the ship that landed in the meteor shower had been exposed to the sun for what.. couple hours? they were still at least as strong or stronger than Clark .. Same goes with Zod . And we all know Clark has had YEARS or solar radiation exposure .


So PLEASE its really frustrating , explain to me . thx



Oh and by the way , I thought the fight was pretty lame i mean this guy (Titan) whos supose to be able to lift a couple thousands tons throws Clark a couple feet in the air as he lands normally... is this supose to hurt Clark ?

And should'nt a hit from those Superstrength dudes crush a human neck/head/chest..?

[magoo]

Originally posted by shadoo
Case in point: Superman Returns. Superman lifts a mass of land weighing millions of pounds. The effort almost killed him.

That was mainly because the land mass was laced with Kryptonite though.

[KryptonScouse]

"That was mainly because the land mass was laced with Kryptonite though."

Definately. I think Superman could of lifted that land mass without breaking to much of a sweat really. It was definately the kryptonite that near killed the guy.

I think the Clark Vs Titan fight was eavenly matched.

[wolverine316]

Originally posted by Griffin
I have a similar topic on the "General Discussion" section. This topic will be specifically about the Clark/Titan fight.

Now I realize this is a t.v. series and the powers that be on that show don't strictly go by the comics. They merge alot of Supermans mythos into one. So I'll explain how things work in the comics PRIOR to "Birthright" and the "Infinite Crisis", because the comics are canon. Television series, animated series, and movies don't count. I've seen many people use Smallville as their "source" for Superman in many Superman vs topics on various website.

As it stands in Smallville....

Clark is a kryptonian, a kryptonians cells absorb the solar radiation from a yellow star. The more a kryptonian absorbs the more powerful a kryptonian becomes. As it stands now there is no limit to how much a kryptonian absorbs. The solar radiation from a yellow star grants Clark his powers.

Clark had more solar reserves built up in him than Titan had. Reason is that Clark has been exposed longer to the sun than Titan.

Proof of this is that Clark was able to defeat Titan when Clark decided to stop holding back. He was more powerful than Titan.

Also, Titan shouldn't have made Clark bleed so quickly. Especially from the first blow. In the comics and in a book I have titled..."The Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel." It states that Clark has an invisible armor that makes him nigh invunerable. This "aura" is the result of his solar irradiated cells.

Only when he's going all out against a foe his equal or greater does this "aura" break down. Why, because he's using up the "juice" that makes him "Super". When he's using up his solar reserves that protective "aura" breaks down allowing damaging blows to injure him. That's why Clark died in the 1992 Death of Superman story.

The Titan/Clark fight last night lasted almost 4 minutes, and Clark looked pretty bad. For Clark to bleed like he did last night, that fight should have gone for several hours with Titan being his equal and the two going all out for his solar reserves to begin to run out. Also Clarks wounds should have begun healing, especially during the moments when he wasn't getting punched, and especially after Titan was down.

Now since the recent "Birthright" and "Infinite Crisis" series DC is re-adding alot of the Silver age back into comics. For instance in Superman "Birthright" it appears as soon as Clark landed on earth he had powers, rather than Clark slowly building up a solar reserve and slowly developing his powers over time, like in the t.v. show Smallville, and before the "Birthright" series. We'll have to see how it plays out in the comics..

Didn't realize there were so many nitpicky geeks on this board.

[DarthLuca]

If you look at carefully to Titans fists when hits Clark you can see a green blow. I guess there might be some kryptonite effect on his fists that causes Clark to bleed. So imo Clark only gets demage when Titan hits him. Although what doesn't make sense is why he didn't use his superspeed to avoid his fists. Maybe he wanted to get hurt to help the pain he feels because of Lana.

As for fight with Zod it has nothing to wiht absorbing more Solar Energy. They are both Kryptonians and have same strength. But one of them is a ruthless soldier a general trained for killing amd surviving other is just a regular kryptonian. So it is obvius that Zod would win the fight easily. Consider yourselfs if you are not trained in martial arts or some other fighting skills and fighting a soldier do you really give yourselfs a chance?

[Mistryman]

The points made are completely valid and add good justification to the events that have happend, however i believe its worth mentioning the following:

I think we all need to remember that clark is still in his younger years. He hasnt mastered his powers to the point of superman in the comics/ his future self. I imagine every event helps him gain a deeper understanding of his powers, which he learns from.

He has yet to undergo his training in the fortress, which id imagine would help him understand his powers and how he can utalize them to his optimum capability.

[Supersingh007]

i dont think titan should be able to make clark bleed...his skin is meant to be invincible and only hurt by kryptonite

[wraith808]

^Superman has bled many times without the presence of kryptonite. Sufficient force will make him bleed, just like any other humanoid. The sun makes him quite resistant to damage, but not truly invulnerable... look at the fight that people reference Superman vs. Doomsday, if you need solid proof.

[j-kent]

Originally posted by Supersingh007
i dont think titan should be able to make clark bleed...his skin is meant to be invincible and only hurt by kryptonite

no this is not valid

from my previous post:


Clark does have an "aura" that protects him, but it does have its limit. The aura does NOT single handly protect him. The aura only extends cm if not mm from his body. It's used most notably to explain why his Superman suit doesn't retain any damage under say explosive conditions. This is all especially with a underdeveloped Kryptonian.

To clear things up for you, The Titan was NOT Kryptonian, but merely a phantom. Clark is not fully invulnerable as you think he is, he is not an immortal god-like entity. Clark's invulnerability comes from his very dense molecular structure...thus being the "man of steel". This invulnerability does have its limits as well, although it exceeds superhuman levels. The Titan's strength was stronger or equal to Clark's and therefore will make him bleed.

Lastly, his rapid regeneration or healing especially under HEAVY injury- such as the Titan does not come as fast as you think it does. His healing is almost instantaneous when under direct sunlight. This can be seen in "Superman Returns". As Lois removed the Kryptonite shard..it had not instantly healed until he flew above the clouds and soaked up direct sunlight. Only certain variants and comic continuations express the instant rapid healing factor. However smaller injuries you may see as instantaneous.

If Superman or Clark was superiorly invulnerable and did not have any downfalls then we would just be watching a god smiting everything down with ease...that's just too easy to conjure..and not to mention very boring.

>>>Clark can bleed like a man but is able to take a high amount of damage before any injury. Different continuations and variants depict these things differently and many things can reason his degree of invulnerability...however he is not in any way purely invincible and god-like. For a minor example, the episode where Clark meets the female zoner with the "plant" abilities, there was no kryptonite present, but her powers were alien-oriented and was able to pierce his skin.