Television Ratings For Combat

[Routh]

Post the television ratings here, not how you rate the episode. :)

[lillie_poo_pod]

I wonder if the crap that is known as "Promise" will have an effect on this week's ratings.

[canon]

Combat wasn't aired here in Illinois tonite becuz of Bulls Basketball. It'll special air on Saturday at 7pm. I'm sure this would impact ratings quite a bit which is sad since i know it's going to be an awesome episode.

[Routh]

The aftermath of Promise, plus being preempted in Chicago (major hit), and this episode being the least promoted (trailer-wise) this season...

Equals less-than-average ratings.

[monstra]

Oh god, are we really gonna blame Promise for the bad ratings this episode will probably get?!

Ep 17 has gotten the worst ratings for two years in a row, maybe that'll have to do with thiss?

If the ratings are higher than last week I wonder if you'll say the same about Promise being a factor.

Now if this episode and the next ones get awful ratings i'd believe people arent liking what theyre seeing.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Blaming "Promise?" How pathetic...

[bball44j]

The preemptions in Illinois will have a big impact on this weeks ratings in my opinion because there are probably a lot of viewers in Chicago.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
Blaming "Promise?" How pathetic...

How? Because some ppl found the episode to be total garbage and some ppl would not tune in for the next episode because they thought the previous one a crap and they think it reflects on future episodes?


ETA: I forgot the preemption in Chicago. And I know in Houston they didn't promote the episode that much. I remember they showed most of the smaller trailers late @ night. And today it wasn't promoted nearly as much a Promise was on the day it aired.

[bball44j]

Still the people who hated Promise would have seen the description for this episode and would have tuned in for sure because of the fight scenes.

[CallMeClark]

I agree. These ratings won't be any higher than last week.

[SVTpat]

I think we are goin to have 3rd highest.... or a close 4th.

Edit: 3rd/4th of this season.

[MidgardDragon]

Yeah, I have to say the people blaming Promise if the ratings drop are just as lame as those who claim Clana is the only reason the ratings ever rise. People, listen. There is not one single factor that forces ratings to rise or fall. A bad episode can have some influence, but it has to be seriously bad all around, Promise was an episode that the fans are pretty much split on, not one that is universally hated. What can also have an effect is pre-emptions (mentioned earlier in this thread), advertisement (also mentioned earlier that adverts were weak for this one), time of year, word-of-mouth (no buzz around this epi like there was for Promise), and any number of factors. Bottom line it's time to stop blaming one pet factor for ratings drops (or increases even).

[Kal-ed]

Actually it has been shown, that the previous episode those affect the followin episodes ratings. Members of the sway viewership, that flip around to see what on, will less likely give Smallville a chance today, if they didn t like last weeks ep. Im not blaming Promise, I merely saying the previous episode, does tend to affect the next episodes ratings.

[freefall]

Take Arrow for example, it's definitely one of the best episodes of the season with a very tight script, and still it suffered because last week's was Wither.

[trying2b]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
I wonder if the crap that is known as "Promise" will have an effect on this week's ratings.

You can call Promise crap if you want but I like it better than last nights "Cheez fest". Promise had great acting and the direction was awesome. Ashley couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. And the story was rushed way to much last night. I guess it takes a little maturity to understand the magnetude of last weeks episode.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Actually it has been shown, that the previous episode those affect the followin episodes ratings. Members of the sway viewership, that flip around to see what on, will less likely give Smallville a chance today, if they didn t like last weeks ep. Im not blaming Promise, I merely saying the previous episode, does tend to affect the next episodes ratings.

Yes, the previous episode effects ratings. A massively bad episode can majorly influence ratings. Something of high quality that fans are split in is less likely to make the ratings drop or rise in any way. If anything it would even out due to the fan split. What I'm saying in my previous post is that far more than just one thing, such as Clana or the previous episode, must be factored in to see why ratings dropped. Everything effects TV ratings, even the weather, you can't just say "I think Promise sucked and therefore the ratings for the next episode will suck." That's what doesn't work, and that's what's lame.

[Kreukie]

I liked Promise and didn't watch Combat and it had nothing to do with Promise.

The trailer for Combat just didn't interest me enough to watch the episode.

The only thing I was interested in seeing was Lana's miscarriage, which I knew I didn't have to watch the episode to learn about since I have message boards, recaps and usually people upload the scenes for people to view on the internet.

[curiosity]

Originally posted by trying2b
You can call Promise crap if you want but I like it better than last nights "Cheez fest". Promise had great acting and the direction was awesome. Ashley couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. And the story was rushed way to much last night. I guess it takes a little maturity to understand the magnetude of last weeks episode.

Umm... Promise wasn't nearly as good as Combat. Clark kicked-butt, and saved people from a terrifying alien. It was great. Whoever Ashley is, I'm guessing she was the blonde girl, only had a 2 minute part which was not significant to the episode. A guy using internet fighting to make money was supposed to be cheezy. Also, who could miss Lois getting into trouble trying to get a story!

I liked Promise only because Lana learned Clark's secret, otherwise it didn't focus on Clark, so I didn't like that aspect of it.

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Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.2 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5)

Lowest rated episode of the season.
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Season 6 Episode Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.2
* - Final Rating

[Absentee]

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I actually enjoyed the episode.

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Half Hour Breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.77 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.46 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
8:00 p.m. V: 3.50 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 3

Also, it was preempted in Chicago last night so expect the final ratings to change. I'm expecting them to drop, but I could be wrong.

[Mauve]

The ratings sucked. I am estatic!

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by trying2b
You can call Promise crap if you want but I like it better than last nights "Cheez fest". Promise had great acting and the direction was awesome. Ashley couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. And the story was rushed way to much last night. I guess it takes a little maturity to understand the magnetude of last weeks episode.

Just because I didn't like Promise does not make me immature. Everyone was basically slaughtered to fit in Clana. The only good thing to come out of it was the fact that Lana knows Clark has powers. That's how I see it anyway.

[svfan50]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Half Hour Breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.77 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.46 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
8:00 p.m. V: 3.50 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 3

Also, it was preempted in Chicago last night so expect the final ratings to change. I'm expecting them to drop, but I could be wrong.

How can these be the ratings of Smallville........it was a kool episode.....its probably coz TBTD pissed off many viewers last week by their Promise..!!!!

[happygolucky]

I wonder how the ratings will affect "Progeny" given that "Combat" got a 4.2.Usually the previous episode sets up the next if people thought the ep was good then they tend to watch the next episode.
Given that "Progeny" will be coming off a four week hiatus,will(like "Combat" be prempted in Chicago)didn't have a trailer after "Combat"ended I don't see "Progeny" doing any better than "Combat"which had 2 wrestlers in it that the WWE were promoting on their show.

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by bball44j
Still the people who hated Promise would have seen the description for this episode and would have tuned in for sure because of the fight scenes.

Why? I was one of those ppl who hated Promise and thus didnt watch Combat.

Hopefully more ppl did the same and the numbers are even lower. I'm so happy it's so low! :D

[Mauve]

I hated Promise and didn't watch Combat. I did watch after it aired.. as in someone taped it for me.

And I didn't watch when it aired because I don't plan to watch full episodes anymore after 'Promise'.

Oneline clips are good for me.

I am glad the ratings sucked.

[Kreukie]

Please don't make me pull out the ratings from season four and five out again and show that the ratings fall always around this time.

Even with that, Combat did pretty damn good!

Season Four:

4.17 Onyx - Final number 3.9 million viewers.

Season Five:

5.17 Void - Final Number 4.2 million viewers.

Promise didn't turn people away as much as Lucy and Hypnotic did.

[friday]

I loved "Promise" even though Lana ended up marrying Lex. But I also read spoilers so I know the future of Lexana is bleak. Casual viewers who don't go online and didn't like how "Promise" ended might think Lexana is forever and decided their not watching this week's episode.

[Routh]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Please don't make me pull out the ratings from season four and five out again and show that the ratings fall always around this time.
And it doesn't matter if you do. You cannot compare season to season by matching up episode numbers, because circumstances are different for every episode and every season.

Promise, in my and many others' opinion, sucked, and many people didn't come back to watch.

[Kreukie]

Friday, that could had been it...but really the numbers aren't that bad as compared to last season and the season before.

It's funny how this arch doing better than the seasons before it, but all the episodes in the first and second arch weren't.

I personally didn't watch Combat because I had no interest in what I read or seen of the episode.


Originally posted by Routh

Promise, in my and many others' opinion, sucked, and many people didn't come back to watch.
I liked Promise and didn't come back to watch Combat, sooo... yeah. :p

Last week everyone was saying how awful Promise did in numbers regardless of the fact Promise was getting praises for it's number by TheCW and other media outlets in demos.

The second half of the episode did better than the first, it increase in numbers by almost a million. Yet you want me to believe that so people were turned off by the episode that they didn't watch this episode?

[myankskent]

Ouch...I have to say that I am surprised by how low of a rating Combat got. I felt that the episode was promoted very well...although the episode wasn't shown in Chicago and some areas didn't see the episode because of college basketball. It's hard to judge this rating, I don't know enough facts to determine why exactly it was so low.

[friday]

Originally posted by Routh

Promise, in my and many others' opinion, sucked, and many people didn't come back to watch.

Yes, it sucked because Lexana got married when viewers were expecting her to call it off and run to Clark.

And the fact that viewership went up almost a million viewers at the mid-point of "Promise" while "Supernatural's" went down....tells me that viewers liked what they were watching but didn't like the ending.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kreukie

I liked Promise and didn't come back to watch Combat, sooo... yeah. :p

How dare you not watch Combat! J/k.:) I hope that you do end up watching it because it was an action-packed episode, IMO.

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by Routh
And it doesn't matter if you do. You cannot compare season to season by matching up episode numbers, because circumstances are different for every episode and every season.

Promise, in my and many others' opinion, sucked, and many people didn't come back to watch.

I agree. Remember this is a business where money talks. Every viewer is $.

The network isnt stupid they know ppl hated promise which is why the number is low not because of a "trend" of episode numbers.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by happygolucky
I wonder how the ratings will affect "Progeny" given that "Combat" got a 4.2.Usually the previous episode sets up the next if people thought the ep was good then they tend to watch the next episode.
Given that "Progeny" will be coming off a four week hiatus,will(like "Combat" be prempted in Chicago)didn't have a trailer after "Combat"ended I don't see "Progeny" doing any better than "Combat"which had 2 wrestlers in it that the WWE were promoting on their show.

If the CW is smart they would promote the hell out of this and Nemesis. They have 4 weeks to do it. They pimped the daylights out of Promise during the 4 weeks so I don't see y they wouldn't do the same for Progeny. Especially with the guess star.

[Routh]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Friday, that could had been it...but really the numbers aren't that bad as compared to last season and the season before.

It's funny how this arch doing better than the seasons before it, but all the episodes in the first and second arch weren't.

I personally didn't watch Combat because I had no interest in what I read or seen of the episode.


I liked Promise and didn't come back to watch Combat, sooo... yeah. :p
Once again, you cannot compare season six to anything before.

You keep saying 'episode 17 always drops', but that makes absolutely no sense. THE CIRCUMSTANCES ALWAYS CHANGE.

There was a HUGE break after Lucy aired, but there wasn't after Hypnotic, and they both fell considerably. And some people just cannot face the fact that Smallville on the CW will never reach the numbers of Smallville on the WB, because the CW has a CONSIDERABLY lower amount of stations than the WB did.

You can attribute seasons 4 and 5 to Clana all you want, but it's just not going to work.

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Originally posted by Kreukie
Please don't make me pull out the ratings from season four and five out again and show that the ratings fall always around this time.

Even with that, Combat did pretty damn good!

Season Four:

4.17 Onyx - Final number 3.9 million viewers.

Season Five:

5.17 Void - Final Number 4.2 million viewers.

Promise didn't turn people away as much as Lucy and Hypnotic did.

To be fair (as bad as Lucy was), Onyx was the first episode after a 5 week hiatus. It was a good episode, IMO, that got trapped in the crap they called season 4.

Hypnotic did hurt Void though. Lost over a half million viewers from week-to-week. It also aired in April which means it didn't face the NCAA tournament like Promise did.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
this is a business where money talks. Every viewer is $.

Hence why Promise did good, because the demo were high, above average and demos is what makes $$$$$$$ and keeps a series on the air. :p

[Routh]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Hence why Promise did good, because the demo were high, above average and demos is what makes $$$$$$$ and keeps a series on the air. :p
The demo that they don't care about was above average. The demo that they do care about? Was piss-poor.

That press release's SOLE purpose was to make it seem like Smallville/Supernatural didn't get pummeled by NCAA basketball, and highlighted a demo that they don't give a crud about.

[joesmallville]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Half Hour Breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.77 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.46 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
8:00 p.m. V: 3.50 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 3

Also, it was preempted in Chicago last night so expect the final ratings to change. I'm expecting them to drop, but I could be wrong.

The final rating should go up once they include the numbers from Chicago (airs Saturday)

Usually the early numbers include all the markets, whether or not the show actually aired in all of them.

If that is the case Smallville's number was hurt badly because the Bulls game started at 7:30 pm which means that they showed a pre-game show at 7:00pm which never get ratings.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Routh
You can attribute seasons 4 and 5 to Clana all you want, but it's just not going to work.

If we can't compare the numbers to previous seasons than what exactly are you guys comparing these numbers to that suggest the numbers are bad? :confused:

You guys kept saying Promise did bad regardless of the fact it did above average in demo$ and in women viewership.

Of course all that's ignored. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by joesmallville
The final rating should go up once they include the numbers from Chicago (airs Saturday)

Usually the early numbers include all the markets, whether or not the show actually aired in all of them.

If that is the case Smallville's number was hurt badly because the Bulls game started at 7:30 pm which means that they showed a pre-game show at 7:00pm which never get ratings.

Meaning Combat going to go above 4.3, most likely 4.5.

Which is again good for an episode around this year.

[paolinki25]

Well, I'm not surprised. After the crapfest that was "Promise", many people were turned off and didn't come back this week.

[Mauve]

Don't they target the male demo's more than the female? Don't they always do better in female over male? Is so, what's the big deal?

I'm not trying to start anything, I just want to understand the ratings better.

[happygolucky]

I don't think the ratings will go up don't they go down once they take into consideration pre-emptions? Weren't the ratings for "Freak' initially around 5.0 mill,but it was preempted in (I think)Indiana and someplace else so they subtracted "Freak's" ratings due to the preemptions and that is why the ratings went down.

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by Mauve
Don't they target the male demo's more than the female? Don't they always do better in female over male? Is so, what's the big deal?

I'm not trying to start anything, I just want to understand the ratings better.

LOL that is funny since the show is geared more towards females with the soap opera crap.

[kkjdt]

i think the ratings went down because of promise too

[friday]

So if ratings only go down because the audience didn't like the episode before it....that must mean that people hated "Justice" because "Labyrinth's" ratings decreased the week after.

AND people must have loved "Labyrinth" because "Freak's" ratings slightly increased.

:rolleyes:

[friday]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
That makes no sense. Justice got 5.26, Labyrinth (followed it) got 5.00 which is still real good. After it was Crimson, then Trespas, then Freak. Since Justice its been going downhill.

If Promise was so awesome, so great then Combat's viewers would be through the roof, or at least around 5.00. People would tell friends, etc. and make sure they saw Combat.

Season 6 Episode Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.2
* - Final Rating

I was being sarcastic in my last post.

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by friday
I was being sarcastic in my last post.

LOL that would explain alot. *doh*

[friday]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
LOL that would explain alot. *doh*

*doh*.

[canon]

The preemption in Chicago really affected Combat's ratings. I mean Chicago is a major market. I'm sure when Progeny airs, it'll likely to have the same ratings as Combat. Airing of Progeny will be preempted again in Chicago on April 19.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by friday
Casual viewers who don't go online and didn't like how "Promise" ended might think Lexana is forever and decided their not watching this week's episode.
Umm no. Lexana have been a factor for the entirety of season 6. In fact there was more positive Lexana early on in episodes like Wither and Static (which had Lexana sex, as well as a proposal. That suggested Lexana was "forever" just as much, particularly as it aired in a time when there were very few Clana scenes)

It's Clana that's been brought back into the show at the halfway point for season 6. You can't suddenly blame Lexana for falling ratings, when the first half of season 6 has had so much Lexana, and ratings held steady then.


The CW have been promoting the Clana recently, and Clark and Lana are openly expresing love for one another again. That's the factor that changed in Promise, not the Lexana

[joesmallville]

Originally posted by happygolucky
I don't think the ratings will go up don't they go down once they take into consideration pre-emptions? Weren't the ratings for "Freak' initially around 5.0 mill,but it was preempted in (I think)Indiana and someplace else so they subtracted "Freak's" ratings due to the preemptions and that is why the ratings went down.

It depends

If Smallville(shown Sat. in Chicago) gets a better number than the Bulls pregame/game then Smallville's final rating will go up, if it doesn't then it will go down.

[friday]

Originally posted by Naomi
Umm no. Lexana have been a factor for the entirety of season 6. In fact there was [b]more positive Lexana early on in episodes like Wither and Static (which had Lexana sex, as well as a proposal. That suggested Lexana was "forever" just as much, particularly as it aired in a time when there were very few Clana scenes)

I don't agree with this. Historically, Lex and Lexana heavy episodes do the worst in the ratings. Check the ratings history below.

The only reason why the ratings for season six was passable was because of the GA storyline.

Summary of season 5 viewership (In the millions).

1. Arrival.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
2. Mortal.......final number 5.9 million viewers (WB Network)
3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers.
5. Thirst.....Final Number 5.8 million viewers ( WB Network & USA Today)
6. Exposed......Final Number 5.4 Million Viewers
7. Splinter.....Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers
8. Solitude......Final Number 6.0 Million Viewers
9. Lexmas........Final Number 5.4 Million Vewiers (ABCmedianet.com)
10. Fanatic.......Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers
11. Lockdown.....Final Number 5.0 million Viewers.
12. Reckoning.....Final Number 6.3 million Viewers.
13. Vengence.....Final Number 5.4 million Viewers.
14. Tomb....Final Number 5.4 million Viewers.
15. Cyborg....Final Number 6.2 million Viewers.
16. Hypnotic...Final Number 4.8 million viewers.
17.Void...Final Number 4.2 million viewers.
18. Fragile......Final Number 3.9 million viewers (ABCmedianet.com)
19. Mercy........ Final Number 4.4 million viewers
20 Fade........Final number 4.3 million viewers.
21 Oracle........Final number 4.8 million viewers

22 Vessel........Final number 4.9 million viewers






Final numbers summary of viewership for last season 4.




1. Crusade...............final number 6.1 million viewers.
2.Gone................final number 5.7 million viewers.
3.Facade........final number 5.5 million viewers.
4.Devoted........final number 6.2 million viewers.
5.Run............final number 5.4 million viewers.
6.Transference......final number 5.7million viewers.
7.Jinx...............final number 5.0 million viewers.
8. Spell............final number 5.5 million viewers.
9. Bound.......... final number 5.1 million viewers.
10. Scare ............final number 4.9 million viewers.
11.Unsafe......... final number 4.2 million viewers.
12.Pariah............. final number 4.8 million viewers.
13. Recruit........... final number 4.9 million viewers.
14.Krypto ............final number 5.1 million viewers.
15. Sacred ..........final number 5.3 million viewers.
16. Lucy.............. final number 4.5 million viewers.
17. Onyx........... final number 3.9 million viewers.
18. Spirit........... final number 4.4 million viewers.
19. Blank........... final numbers is 4.6 million viewers.
20. Ageless.......... final numbers is 4.5 million viewers.
21. Forever........final number 4.0 million viewers.
22. Commencement.......final number 5.5 million viewers


High for Season 5: 6.4 million (Aqua). Low 3.9 million (Fragile)

High for Season 4: 6.2 million (Devoted). Low 3.9 million (Onyx)

High for Season 3: 6.9million (Slumber). Low 4.2 million (Memoria.)
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It's Clana that's been brought back into the show at the halfway point for season 6. You can't suddenly blame Lexana for falling ratings, when the first half of season 6 has had so much Lexana, and ratings held steady then.

Historically again, when Clana are together the ratings tend to be higher than when Lexana began late season five.

[monstra]

Ok so, just to make it clear, I also LOVED Promise and decided to skip Combat. It has been proven now for 3 years that episode 17 is always one if not the lowest rated episode of the season.

It's like saying people loved Hydro so much that they came back to see Justice, and then people didn't like Justice and thats why ratings dropped after the episode.

Also since people LOVED the god damn awful Sneeze so much, 400 000 people came back next week to watch Wither.

C'mon. *rolls eyes*

And if anything, if your theory is right it means people *hate* Lexana NOT Clana (since it ended bad for us), since how YOU guys said people knew by the trailer Promise was going to be Clexana centered.

So I ask myself, if people hated Clexana as much as they did, why didn't they just skip Promise and come back for Combat?

Promise had the highest demos for women in the whole year AND it improved in the second half hour a whole lot, did anyone stop to think that men are too busy watching the basketball or whatever, and women couldn't care less about those special guests and all the action they had going on in Combat AND thats why the ratings went down?

I guess now we have to see the ratings for this episode and make them "Promise"s and make "Promise"s ratings "Freak"s one and so on. Oh that makes so much sense.

This theory is so pointless it's not even funny.

Now I've said this before, if the ratings stay THIS down for ALL the upcoming episodes then I'll believe Promise had to do with it, like I think Hypnotic had to do with the low ass ratings after it in S5, till then, this theory is bs.

I could also say this episode had the lowest ratings in the season cos there was no Clana in it unlike the last 5 or 6 episodes like you guys said with Lana in justice, but I know thats not true, cos there was no way people would know that.

It's just stupid.

[Bosrudorfer]

Man, the writers need kicks between the legs.

[Naomi]

Of course ratings dropped at the end of season 5. The first half of season 5 was a lot stronger than the second half, there was real momentum there. Then ratings were strong, so A&M start stalling again, and viewers got tired. More filler and sex filled episodes like Hypnotic, which was just what saw season 4 not bring in ratings. If ratings can be connected to anything, it's about quality of the storyline and SV moving foward.

But the CW were told that bringing back the Clana would improve ratings, something which I always doubted. I don't even need to say any more, Trespass and Promise both heavily promoted Clana, and ratings proved my point for me. Ships don't matter at the end of the day, it's quality of story, and the progression of Clark Kent, that most viewers watch for

And the CW ordering the writers to insert more Clana, is not leading to progression, or quality of story.

I'm betting that season 6 will still do better in the first half than the second, even though this time it's positive Lexana in the first half, and Clana being pushed more in the second half. But somehow Lexana will get blamed for it again

And the Green Arrow? :confused: The GA that appeaed in I think it was 6 episodes? Fans enjoyed GA sure, but it's Clark and Lex that most of us watch for.



And if anything, if your theory is right it means people *hate* Lexana NOT Clana (since it ended bad for us), since how YOU guys said people knew by the trailer Promise was going to be Clexana centered.
Umm no. Promise ended with Lana realising that she still loved Clark, not Lex. Hence the excitemnt of Clana shippers on boards everywhere who posted on what a great episode Promise was, and look forward to Lexana's marriage being annuled before the end of the season. How did it end badly for Clana fans? You just said yourself that you LOVED Promise

And I already said last week that the trailer did nothing but promote Lexana as a possible big mistake, whilst showing clips of Clark about to share the secret/propose, and urging fans to expect Clark to call a halt to the wedding, and Clana to run off together. Promise was promoted with almost nothing but Clana

[monstra]

Originally posted by Naomi
And I already said last week that the trailer did nothing but promote Lexana as a possible big mistake, whilst showing clips of Clark about to share the secret/propose, and urging fans to expect Clark to call a halt to the wedding, and Clana to run off together. That was a Clana trailer [/B]

So people were interested by that and that's why they watched Promise.

If people didn't care about Clana why didn't they just skip Promise if they KNEW by the trailer it was gonna be relationship centered, and why when they have the action filled Combat trailer they decide to skip the episode?!

Doesnt make ANY sense.:rolleyes:

[Naomi]

Originally posted by monstra
If people didn't care about Clana why didn't they just skip Promise if they KNEW by the trailer it was gonna be relationship centered, and why when they have the action filled Combat trailer they decide to skip the episode?!

According to the ratings, a lot of people did skip Promise ;)

Considering the amount of promotion and trailers it got, the rating wasn't all that special, and you have to go as far back as Hydro and Subterranean to find a lower rating. It wasn't exactly another Justice (which received far less promotion) for the CW

Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.2


And yet, all through season 6, there were assurances that promoting Clana would see a ratings boast. But ratings are already showing that it doesn't make a bit of difference, for all that Clana fans took credit for early season 5's ratings (when the show was at an incredibly strong point then anyway, and had just introduced the FOS and Fine).

[Bosrudorfer]

Clana fans like myself wanted it to end then and there. PERFECT episode to end it. Lana goes with Clark and he can finally become Superman.... but they drag it out again.

They promoted that the wedding wouldn't happen and "love would conquer all" BS :rolleyes:

[Mauve]

People didn't respond very well to 'Promise' which is why this episode did so poor.

[monstra]

Justice wasn't promoted enough?!!!

The ratings for Promise were great, cos the episode aired after a 3 weeks break with that new Fox show and the basketball tournament against it, and I can't say it enough that the demos were higher than usual.

So here's the new and improved Ksite ratings table accourding to you guys:

(Fake table)
Zod......................4.52*
Sneeze.................4.88*
Wither..................4.71*
Arrow...................4.79*
Reunion...............5.01*
Fallout.................4.46*
Rage...................4.70*
Static...................4.31*
Subterranean........4.68*
Hydro..................5.26*
Justice.................5.00*
Labyrinth..............4.91*
Crimson.................4.74*
Trespass...............4.76*
Freak....................4.69*
Promise................4.2*

So according to this board, Hydro was the highest rated episode, yeah, that one episode with Clana all over the trailers. :)

And yes, I still think Clana was a big factor in S5's early ratings, cos they had the best ratings the whole first arc, wich had Clana in the best terms.

With you guys don't understanding any fact or reason, I'll just stick with the annoying -This episode was the lowest one cos someway people knew there wasn't going to be any Clana- theory.

Cheers!

[samanta]

I think ratings are so low because it's your average filler episode. Even if Promis was horrible it moved story. Combat on the other hand has nothing add to it.

[Mauve]

Hydro didn't rate better than Justice, did it?

I thought it didn't get over 5 million...

[Naomi]

Justice wasn't promoted enough?!!!

Justice wasn't promoted as much as Promise was (which got many trailer variations, as well as clips and interviews with the cast on set). That's what leads me to believe the CW were expecting another break-out hit for Promise. They even moved it to later on to avoid AI, and promoted it constantly to make sure viewers would know it was back.



Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
I agree.

Clana fans like myself wanted it to end then and there. PERFECT episode to end it. Lana goes with Clark and he can finally become Superman.... but they drag it out again.

They promoted that the wedding wouldn't happen and "love would conquer all" BS :rolleyes:

That's why I didnt watch Combat
Well I'm just going by all the Clana fans on the message boards that have been protesting at what a fantastic episode Promise was, and that not that many people hated it. But suddenly when Combat's ratings come in, it's all down to the Lexana that has been around season 6 all along?

So much for hearing of early season 6's ratings being so terrible and all down to Lexana, and having Lana speaking to Clark nicely again, would make such a difference. Because so far, it hasn't made any difference

[monstra]

Yeah, thats a fake table.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Mauve
Hydro didn't rate better than Justice, did it?

I thought it didn't get over 5 million...
It didn't ;)

[monstra]

Originally posted by Naomi
Well I'm just going by all the Clana fans on the message boards that have been protesting at what a fantastic episode Promise was, and that not that many people hated it. But suddenly when Combat's ratings come in, it's all down to the Lexana that has been around season 6 all along?


Im not even gonna answer to the Justice argument, yeah it wasn't promoted enough, even when since the start of the season AlMiles were talking about it.

And WE (Clana fans, Sweet) LOVED the episode cos we know what's gonna happen next! We know about the baby, we know there's Clana scenes coming up!

If I were a casual viewer I would think that was IT for Clana, Lana is pregnant with Lex's baby and they just got married.

Wich brings me to another pointless argument here, a lot of people here at Ksite thought Promise was the end of Clana, so if people were SO glad about it why didn't they watch Combat?

Oh gosh Im having so much fun finding all the holes in this pointless arguments of yours.
:lol:

[Bosrudorfer]

Well maybe male Clana viewers saw Promise differently then female Clana viewers?

[Naomi]

Originally posted by monstra
Im not even gonna answer to the Justice argument, yeah it wasn't promoted enough, even when since the start of the season AlMiles were talking about it.
I didn't say Justice didn't get promoted enough. Justice really isn't releveant to the argument at all. All that I said was that Promise actually got even more trailers than Justice did, so signs point to the CW treating it as the same kind of event episode. Yet ratings for Promise turned out to be decidedly average



If I were a casual viewer I would think that was IT for Clana, Lana is pregnant with Lex's baby and they just got married.
If anything seemed to be IT for romantic Clana, it was early season 6 when Lana did nothing but ***** at Clark (when the two of them even did get to share a scene together). Hence the much talked about Clana boycotts being pointed to, whilst insisting on how awful early season 6's ratings were

The audience has known of Lana's pregnancy since I think it was Rage? And Lexana have been engaged since Subterrean. It's not like Promise suddenly sprung Lexana on the audience. I've never argued that a ship does bring in ratings. I simply checked out this thread and read someone already pointing the finger at Lexana for Combat's ratings. When the factor that has changed halfway through the season is bringing Clana back, Lexana has been around all season.

Wich brings me to another pointless argument here, a lot of people here at Ksite thought Promise was the end of Clana, so if people were SO glad about it why didn't they watch Combat?
Well like I said, the boards and blogs that I've visited, has seen Clana fans be the ones happy after Promise, and annoyed with the rest of the fandom for complaining about character regression. And most people complainging about Promise, have been along the lines of "not Clana again". Check out the threads and polls on this very board for Promise

[Somnium]

Ouch, I actually liked this episode a lot. Thou I must say I HATED Promise as well, and I know a lot of people, including myself consider it one of the worst episodes this season so it might influence the rating.

[monstra]

I was actually surprised to see so many people @Ksite liking Promise, just look at the love it/hate it poll in the episode forum.

And I already replied to you about why we're happy, and about a bunch of us skipping Combat cuz it looked stupid.

So yeah, if anything Im happy the ratings were low, cos casual viewer knows Lana is not gonna leave Lex in one episode and get back together with Clark in the same one.

If people had hated what they saw last week, why did the ratings improve from one half hour to the other one? Did they magically think some FOTW was gonna come up and spice things up in the wedding episode?

Sooo, you guys said it yourselves last week.

Promise was the 'end' of Clana.... and people didn't like that, hence the Combat ratings. :)

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
Promise was the 'end' of Clana.... and people didn't like that, hence the Combat ratings. :)

Actually, those with half a brain knows that "Promise" was the coming back of Clana.

And no, I'm not blamming Clana this week, I'm blamming on wussy Lex and baby Clark.

[monstra]

Originally posted by Timester
Actually, those with half a brain knows that "Promise" was the coming back of Clana.

Well, then most of Ksite and the posts from the people I read at some other non-Clana sites must not have half a brain.

That RIP Clana thread comes to my mind right now.

I don't agree with this theory, Im just going by what people said last week.

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
Well, then most of Ksite and the posts from the people I read at some other non-Clana sites must not have half a brain.

That RIP Clana thread comes to my mind right now.

Yes, I know. I also saw it last week.

[Ania]

From ***:

According with a press release from The CW Network, March 15th best Thursday of the season among women:

Here is the official press release made by The CW:

"SMALLVILLE" AND "SUPERNATURAL" TAKE IT TO THE RACK

Best Thursday of Season For The CW's Dramas in Women 18-34

"Smallville" Hits Season High in Women 18-34

"Supernatural" Scores Largest Audience Since October

March 16, 2007 (Burbank, California) - Against NCAA Basketball coverage, "Smallville" and "Supernatural" combined for The CW's best Thursday of the season among women 18-34 (2.1/6-tie) and its second best Thursday in women 18-49 (1.8/4-tie), according to preliminary live plus same day Nielsen ratings for Thursday, March 15.

"Smallville," which featured the wedding of Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) and Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum), hit a new high for the season in women 18-34 (2.5/7). First of all, Smallville's for the typical soap opera audience. It's obvious that a wrestler episode did worse than a big wedding episode. Another thing is, with Promise being this season's "hit", how can anyone say the audience chooses which episodes to watch because of the supposed "ship" that is to prevail in said epi? Sorry, but it's stupid to the core. You watch for the soap, you watch the whole soap story, not the parts that are happiest for your preferred ship. You don't watch wrestlers' episodes though.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by monstra
If people had hated what they saw last week, why did the ratings improve from one half hour to the other one? Did they magically think some FOTW was gonna come up and spice things up in the wedding episode?
They rise at the halfway point for every Smallville episode this season :)

[Kal-ed]

Its not the ships perse, its the writing, I didnt like Promise´s writing, the 3 POV things would have been great if it werent for all the OCC moments for every character except thee Lionel. Really Lana said recently that she loved Lex, that she would get lost in a alter plane just to see his face again, she said she wanted people to know she was marrying out of love and not because of the baby and suddenly she doesnt love Lex anymore?? Martha and Chloe with thier OCC advices to Clark, where they had for almost a year told Clark to get over Lana, and that he had no claim on her, suddenly decide he should go after her ON HER WEDDING DAY, WHILE SHE IS PREGNANT?? Again, Promise´s problem wasnt the ships, but the general way it was writen.

Now as to why Combat didnt do better I dunno, First time Ive seen Clark throw back a punch and he did that pleanty on this eppy, although, I must say, aside from the fight, the episode was really weak, the Lexana baby thing boring, and Clark taking out his anger and frustration with criminals, just plain shamefull. But I dont think its either ship or lack thereoff related.

[Routh]

monstra, I'm laughing my head off at you. Seriously. You think YOU'RE find holes in OUR logic?

All you can EVER say is, "CLANA BROUGHT IN RATINGS! YEAH!", and to think that you understand the correlation between episodes and ratings boggles the mind.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you, because all you ever give is "Clana Clana Clana!", when anyone gives you textual and factual evidence otherwise.

[RedKRules]

Well RATINGS may go UP and DOWN, I won´t stop watching just because some episodes weren´t good, I´ve been watching it from the beginning ....and I will until the end...........and I think that´s what a fan is for......

[kh1]

I loved Promise, only watch for Clana, so I of course didn't watch this ep, why would it be interesting in the least, there were no Clana spoilers and had a stupid fight club storyline with Lois involved, all of which sounds for a pretty crappy ep. I already knew Lana would supposedly miscarry, but so what, she still wasn't going to have a scene with Clark and I wasn't about to watch more Lexana, I am waiting for some better Clana eps coming our way, then I will tune in again.

[monstra]

Originally posted by Routh
monstra, I'm laughing my head off at you. Seriously. You think YOU'RE find holes in OUR logic?

All you can EVER say is, "CLANA BROUGHT IN RATINGS! YEAH!", and to think that you understand the correlation between episodes and ratings boggles the mind.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you, because all you ever give is "Clana Clana Clana!", when anyone gives you textual and factual evidence otherwise.

Ok. You guys are right. I said this now. :)

You all say Promise had to do with Combat low ratings, and since you were all claiming RIP Clana when you finished watching Promise, well.. I'll leave the end of the equation to you.

For the record I've said this tons of times already, I don't think Promise had anything to do with Combat ratings, even with all of these arguments Im coming up with.

[Routh]

You all say Promise had to do with Combat low ratings, and since you were all claiming RIP Clana when you finished watching Promise, well.. I'll leave the end of the equation to you.
Who exactly is 'you all'? I am SURE you know that mostly everyone hated Promise because Clana was coming BACK. One thread started by one person about dead Clana? Right.

even with all of these arguments Im coming up with.
Too bad you haven't provided us with anything other than "CLANA YEAH!"

[monstra]

Originally posted by Routh
Who exactly is 'you all'? I am SURE you know that mostly everyone hated Promise because Clana was coming BACK. One thread started by one person about dead Clana? Right.

Too bad you haven't provided us with anything other than "CLANA YEAH!"

Oh my gosh, did you even read the long ass posts I made in the last thread?

And the person that started the thread wasn't the only one who thought Clana was dead. Go read the thread if you want.

If Combats ratings had been high people would've said people were happy Clana was done too, or they would've come up with some other excuse, that's how it works.

Im talking about Clana cos you guys were saying this episode sucked cuz of Promise, I didn't think Clana was a factor in this weeks episode, I could make up a bunch of reasons why this episode did badly based on Clana but I won't, since there are other much important facts to consider here, wich I've mentioned like 10 times already.

The post above yours just prooves what I said before, even if people thought Clana was coming back, it was pretty much a given they had no interaction in the next episode, hence the low ratings.

See? I could go on and on about Clana having a lot to do with these ratings, but I don't really believe in any of them. :\

Im just stating my opinion that I don't think Promise had anything to do with Combat.

And who are you refering to EVERYONE that hated Promise?! Go see the Promise forum, yeah it got like 60 0's too, but it got 120 or something moreof 10's, and thats a lot more than I expected for a Clana based episode.

[BadToad]

I don't think Clana or Lexana has all that much to do with the ratings fluctuations, and I think its pretty silly to suggest it does. The reality is that the casual viewers tune in when something peaks their interest, and then sometimes they don't. Pre-emptions in certain markets make a difference to.

IMO, I think people are probably driven away from any Lana+guy 'ships. They all become rather tedious along the way. And IMO, based on absolutely nothing but my personal preference (which is precisely what I see being done here), I think the ratings would go up if the show featured romances that weren't Lana-based.

[MidgardDragon]

Did I really just read earlier on in the thread someone say they were glad the numbers dropped? Wow, way to be a total loser. I don't care if you don't like the show now or not. It's your perogative to watch or not watch, but to wish for the ratings to drop and to be happy about it, is just being an a**hole, IMO. Grow up a little.

[canon]

I'm in Chicago and was so disappointed when I saw Bulls basketball when I tuned in at 7pm. I mean I was so psyched for this episode after seeing the trailer at the end of Promise....only to be disappointed that it's not airing til Saturday. I'm certain there are others like me who were mad at WGN for airing basketball......bad timing!

I just think that ratings wouldn't be this low (lower than Subterranean), if this episode wasn't pre-empted here in Chicago.

[Routh]

Final numbers:

Smallville
- 4.067 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.8/6 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.379 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34
IE, the worst rated episode of the season.

[Bosrudorfer]

Excellent *evil grin*

[canon]

Originally posted by Routh
Final numbers:
4.067 million viewers

IE, the worst rated episode of the season.

Wouldn't they consider the # of viewers in Illinois when this eppy airs this Saturday before coming out with final numbers?

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by Routh
Final numbers:


Smallville
- 4.067 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.8/6 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.379 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34


IE, the worst rated episode of the season.


Ouch. So were those #'s earlier before they counted the preemptions?

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by canon
Wouldn't they consider the # of viewers in Illinois when this eppy airs this Saturday before coming out with final numbers?

We as fans should, unless we just want to be a-holes and try to justify our opinions of previous episodes like some people. *coughs* But I doubt the CW will factor them in at all.

[monstra]

Ouch Indeed.

Hopefully next week will do better, I still think these breaks are hurting the show a lot.

I hope they don't waste another trailer for Progeny with whatever the heck they pimped Combat with since it didn't work, maybe LC there will help it a bit.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by monstra
Ouch Indeed.

Hopefully next week will do better, I still think these breaks are hurting the show a lot.

I hope they don't waste another trailer for Progeny with whatever the heck they pimped Combat with since it didn't work, maybe LC there will help it a bit.

Yep, the constant breaks are probably hurting the show more than anything else. But Progeny sounds like a Chloe heavy episode and those are generally popular, so maybe the ratings can go up if the preview comes soon and is good.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by BadToad
IMO, I think people are probably driven away from any Lana+guy 'ships. They all become rather tedious along the way. And IMO, based on absolutely nothing but my personal preference (which is precisely what I see being done here), I think the ratings would go up if the show featured romances that weren't Lana-based.

I would believe that if Promise didn't do so well for an episode around this time of the year, didn't have above average demo and history numbers for women demo and didn't increase almost by a million during the second half.

Combat was promoted with no Lana in sight, in the yahoo clips it was all Clark, Lois and the guest stars, in the stills same thing and in the trailer it was all Clark/Lex/guest star.

So since Promise did so well in it's second half, since it increased by almost a million that means a lot of viewers stuck around to watch the trailer for this week's episode.

I did, but after seeing it I decided to past because the trailer just didn't do anything for me.

Is it crazy to believe people didn't watch Combat because the episode just seemed boring or lame?

If people want to blame this episode numbers on Clana (who didn't end in good terms in Promise) or Lana (who wasn't featured at all in any of the promos for this episode) or Promise (whoes numbers increase in it's second half by almost a million).

Then... okay.

Me personally, I'm going to blame it on the lame previews and the trailer. :D

[Absentee]

Maybe it did so bad because there was no Clois anvils and we all know people only tune in for that :rolleyes:

Point is.... there's too many things going on to really know why Combat got the ratings it did. And unless you go around knocking on everyone's door and asking them Lana+ships are the reason they didn't watch the episode then it's all wishful thinking.

The numbers speaks for itself. It's low. Accept it. Move on.

IMO, CW are after the Women's demos more than the Males. It seems there are more women watching the CW, hence why shows like PCD and America's Top Models do so well. Also it makes sense why CW released a statement last week praising the "success" of Promise all due to the fact that the women demos rocketed and to them that's more important than actual viewership.

[Routh]

I would believe that if Promise didn't do so well for an episode around this time of the year,
Again, this statement makes no sense. "Around this time of year"? As opposed to what? Do people just decide to stop watching Smallville in March? Is it the flowers growing outside? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You cannot compare from one episode in a certain spot in one season to another episode in the same spot in another season. It doesn't work that way. Circumstances are different. every. single. time. For instance, there was a HUGE break after Lucy, and there was a preemption this time. So, what the hell?

didn't have above average demo and history numbers for women demo
And this is the highest rated women's demo on *The CW*. Just because it's the highest doesn't mean it's high. The women's demo is almost always low, and that's not the demo that The CW looks at. They were butt-boosting themselves by releasing a press-release that had nothing to do with the success that they're looking for.

didn't increase almost by a million during the second half.
Hah! Maybe because it started off EXTREMELY low at about 4 million? Almost every episode this season starts off around 4.5 million, and INCREASES to about 5.3 million. The fact that Promise started so low and even after it rose, didn't rise to the level of the other episodes... hmm. Let's put it this way. If it started out at 2 million and increased to 3 million, it would be the same as what you're saying.

Combat was promoted with no Lana in sight, in the yahoo clips it was all Clark, Lois and the guest stars, in the stills same thing and in the trailer it was all Clark/Lex/guest star.
Right. So nobody watches for action, Clark, or Lex. Just Lana. Pfft.

Is it crazy to believe people didn't watch Combat because the episode just seemed boring or lame?
Because it didn't have Lana/Clana? WTH? It was promoted as Lex Luthor being evil, Clark fighting with a Zoner... God. Whatever.

ETA:

And unless you go around knocking on everyone's door and asking them Lana+ships are the reason they didn't watch the episode then it's all wishful thinking.
And unless YOU go around knocking on everyone's door and asking them if they only watch for Lana/Clana, the claim that people ONLY watch for that is the weakest statement on the face of this planet. Wishful thinking.

[Absentee]

And unless YOU go around knocking on everyone's door and asking them if they only watch for Lana/Clana, the claim that people ONLY watch for that is the weakest statement on the face of this planet. Wishful thinking.

I don't know why you repeated me, I didn't know there was an echo here. I said what I said for a reason. Don't put words in my mouth. My point was NO ONE knows why casual viewers watch, but I guess I needed you to explain that to me again since I obviously don't know what I'm talking about :rolleyes:

[ClarkyBoy14]

Let's take the focus off of "Promise" and focus on the real reason "Combat" did so horrible in the ratings.
1. Obviously, "Combat" was geared towards the men demo (as evidenced by the women in skimpy outfits and all the action/violence), but many men were watching basketball, which was higher this week than last; while "Promise" was geared more towards women, and most women don't care so much about b-ball. Plain and simple, many of the men that "Combat" was made for were over at CBS.
2. Time of year does m

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Routh
Again, this statement makes no sense. "Around this time of year"? As opposed to what? Do people just decide to stop watching Smallville in March? Is it the flowers growing outside? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You cannot compare from one episode in a certain spot in one season to another episode in the same spot in another season. It doesn't work that way. Circumstances are different. every. single. time. For instance, there was a HUGE break after Lucy, and there was a preemption this time. So, what the hell?

A lot people are getting off or going on spring break around this month. So yes, the seasons do play a factor on numbers.

Hence why it's more common for the viewership to go down across the board. People aren't watching as much TV as they do during the winter when they can't do anything but be stuck at home due to the cold or the snow.

If you aren't going to allow past numbers around this time for Smallville to open your eyes that Smallville actually doing well for this time of year. Then drop it, if it doesn't make sense to you then I'm sorry. Skip my post and move on.


And this is the highest rated women's demo on *The CW*. Just because it's the highest doesn't mean it's high. The women's demo is almost always low, and that's not the demo that The CW looks at. They were butt-boosting themselves by releasing a press-release that had nothing to do with the success that they're looking for.

They weren't only high on women demo, but OVER-ALL demo. The women demo just made a history high while the general demo did above average.

The demo are important, very important since those are the things that count when it comes to $$$$$ and getting paid for ADs during the commercial breaks which bring in the $$$$$.


Hah! Maybe because it started off EXTREMELY low at about 4 million? Almost every episode this season starts off around 4.5 million, and INCREASES to about 5.3 million. The fact that Promise started so low and even after it rose, didn't rise to the level of the other episodes... hmm. Let's put it this way. If it started out at 2 million and increased to 3 million, it would be the same as what you're saying.

Point is... people weren't turned away from the episode since people didn't leave from watching it. If people were so turned off they would had stopped watching after the first 30 minutes.


Right. So nobody watches for action, Clark, or Lex. Just Lana. Pfft.

I don't recall saying that... *reads what I wrote* nope.


Because it didn't have Lana/Clana? WTH? It was promoted as Lex Luthor being evil, Clark fighting with a Zoner... God. Whatever.

Again, I'm reading what I wrote again... and don't recall saying that either.

There was no Lois, Lionel, Martha or Chloe in the trailer either.


And unless YOU go around knocking on everyone's door and asking them if they only watch for Lana/Clana, the claim that people ONLY watch for that is the weakest statement on the face of this planet. Wishful thinking. [/B]

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa... shimmer down there. You're attacking anyone who disagree with what you agree with and now you're telling me that I should go around and knock on people's doors asking them if they watch the series for this or that?

Why don't YOU go around and knock on people's door and ask them if they didn't watch Combat due to Promise.

Then maybe what you keep saying will hold some water.


Originally posted by Absentee
Don't put words in my mouth.

He does seem to do that a lot. :p

[ClarkyBoy14]

matter, Stup. Towards the end of the season, numbers aren't going to look so hot for 8PM shows. Why? Because when it's still daylight out, people are going to want to stay out later.
3. There wasn't much promotion.

Here's to hoping the CW starts promoting the final five episodes of the season like crazy.

[Absentee]

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
Let's take the focus off of "Promise" and focus on the real reason "Combat" did so horrible in the ratings.
1. Obviously, "Combat" was geared towards the men demo (as evidenced by the women in skimpy outfits and all the action/violence), but many men were watching basketball, which was higher this week than last; while "Promise" was geared more towards women, and most women don't care so much about b-ball. Plain and simple, many of the men that "Combat" was made for were over at CBS.
2. Time of year does m

This is true. Combat was geared towards the male demos and since we know NCAA was competing with the same demographics, it definitely took a chunk out of Smallville last night.

It could be the reason why Combat got the ratings it did.

MAYBE "Promise" did well because even though NCAA was on last week and took the male demos, the women's could've easily replaced the missing chunk and it evened it out.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
Towards the end of the season, numbers aren't going to look so hot for 8PM shows. Why? Because when it's still daylight out, people are going to want to stay out later.

Exactly. Can you imagine if they aired new episodes during the summer, the episodes would be like at 2.0 million. :lol:

[ClarkyBoy14]

Edit: Sorry, Kreukie, I posted the part about the weather before I saw yours. Oops.


Originally posted by Kreukie
Exactly. Can you imagine if they aired new episodes during the summer, the episodes would be like at 2.0 million. :lol: Yep, but it still doesn't matter what time of year it's on, timing doesn't matter.:rolleyes:


Originally posted by Absentee
MAYBE "Promise" did well because even though NCAA was on last week and took the male demos, the women's could've easily replaced the missing chunk and it evened it out. That's what I'm thinking, and I'm probably right.

I would be interested to see the men's demo numbers for last week, and men's and women's for this week.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Timester
And no, I'm not blamming Clana this week, I'm blamming on wussy Lex and baby Clark.

[jack1487]

Originally posted by RedKRules
Well RATINGS may go UP and DOWN, I won´t stop watching just because some episodes weren´t good, I´ve been watching it from the beginning ....and I will until the end...........and I think that´s what a fan is for......


I agree, I watch for the entertainment that the show gives. I can’t understand while someone will watch one week and then not the next week because they though the episodes was weak or they did not like the writing. That to me, this is saying last week I found a lotto ticket and it wasn’t a winner so if I find one this week I’m not going to pick it up because it just may not be a winner. Of course they might have lost a few millions dollars in the deal.

And lets face the facts Lana and Clark are not going to be together in the future, so let it die!!!!!!

My 2 cents worth…


Peace,

Jack

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by trying2b
You can call Promise crap if you want but I like it better than last nights "Cheez fest".

I guess it takes a little maturity to understand the magnitude of last weeks episode.

Yeah, and I bet it takes just about the same amount of maturity to understand the magnitude of character assassinations that occured on Promise last week. All in the name of one ship. Hence, even though Promise was well acted and well directed,from a Smallville story telling point of view.....it was still utter crap. Just my opinion.


Originally posted by Routh
And it doesn't matter if you do. You cannot compare season to season by matching up episode numbers, because circumstances are different for every episode and every season.

Promise, in my and many others' opinion, sucked, and many people didn't come back to watch.

Hello Routh, not that I trust Kreukie's reasoning when it comes to anything Clana related (because I absolutely do not), but I think in this instance there is some truth to their being a yearly pattern. But it's not exact either. And it could very well be off this year.....I haven't really paid attention to it. But I have seen it in the past.

My reason for not watching this episode had nothing to do with Lois, and everything to do with Promise, plus a little established pattern with the Dynamic Dimwits that are Al & Miles. In fact, I was kind of intrigued by the trailer. My reason for not watching is that I'm tired of me stupidly sitting through the crap that was Clana last week, only to be subjected to a Lois centric episode, which is then followed up by a Chloe centric episode in the hopes of keeping all the fans happy. It's Cycle, Rinse, & Repeat with Al & Miles. Ram the Clana down our throats in stupidly written fashion, and then make us forget it for 2 episodes before the crap starts all over again. I finally said to myself, put up or shut up. So I choose not to watch.

I will watch Progeny though. And not for the Chlark (Chlark is dead....as is this version of Clark Kent), and certainly not for the sappy and unbelivable Chimmy crap. After Progeny, I'll monitor these boards for when it's okay to maybe take a peak again.

(What's really unbelievable to me is that I'm enjoying the CW's "Search for The New Pussycat Doll" infinitely more than Smallville's Senseless, Perpetual , and infinitesimal Clana Drama. It's not even close, and no one is more surprised at that than I am)

[ClarkyBoy14]

I agree w/ you RedKRules. I'll still watch SV if the ep before wasn't good too.

[Mauve]

Final numbers:


quote:
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Smallville
- 4.067 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.8/6 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.379 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


IE, the worst rated episode of the season.

Episodes don't drop that much. Whether or not they have high competion (others good shows, basketball, etc.) 4.6 to nearly 4.0?

I definately think 'Promise' has something to do with this as well.

That's ridiculous to think otherwise.

Either way -- I'm happy!

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Mauve
Episodes don't drop that much. Whether or not they have high competion (others good shows, basketball, etc.) 4.6 to nearly 4.0?

I definately think 'Promise' has something to do with this as well.

That's ridiculous to think otherwise.

Either way -- I'm happy!

You know....usually I wonder about it, even though there is no conclusive proof either way.......but I do know that Promise had a lot of fans going......WTF? Some of them even Clana fans. Let Al & Miles figure out as to what caused the drop in ratings. All I know is that I definitely didn't watch Combat because of Promise.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

4.067 Mill is not exactly a lot...
:\

[Mauve]

I'm happy that it did, poor, InLove with Chloe. ;)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Mauve
I'm happy that it did, poor, InLove with Chloe. ;)
Well you know.....this show does strange things to us.
:lol:
I mean, we watch it, we like it. And then we're happy it gets crappy ratings...

I tell you: after SV is over, I'll need a shrink!!!

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by CK&CK


Hello Routh, not that I trust Kreukie's reasoning when it comes to anything Clana related (because I absolutely do not), but I think in this instance there is some truth to their being a yearly pattern.

I didn't say anything about Clana, why do you guys continue putting words into my mouth?

I'm using numbers... numbers! Numbers that I'm not making up.

Looking at the numbers it did better or the same than past episodes around this time last season in viewership.

The finale number is going to be higher than 4.0 and even with 4.0 it did better than Onyx in season four which final number was 3.9 million.

And it'll most likely do better than Void which final number was 4.2 million.

So like I said last week, these numbers are above average than seasons before or the same number.

Meaning Smallville isn't losing viewers due to Promise, this is a pattern that every show goes through around this time here in the states due to Spring Break.

And even with that, the numbers for Promise and Combat are above average or just the same around this time last year.

[Routh]

above average or just the same around this time last year.
Oh, Jesus Christ. Forget it.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kreukie

I'm using numbers... numbers! Numbers that I'm not making up.

Looking at the numbers it did better or the same than past episodes around this time last season in viewership.


Yeah, but the thing is Kreukie, last season Smallville was on the WB going up against different competition. The entire landscape was different last season, as it is every season. That's why comparing ratings between seasons is very tricky.

[supes0]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Looking at the numbers it did better or the same than past episodes around this time last season in viewership.


Many things have changed this year.

Statistics and random variables are very complex disciplines and don't work the way you seem to believe they do.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by myankskent
Yeah, but the thing is Kreukie, last season Smallville was on the WB going up against different competition. The entire landscape was different last season, as it is every season. That's why comparing ratings between seasons is very tricky.

Here's what I'm saying, there's a trend with this series that every year around this time the numbers drop.

Correct?

Every year around the 17th episode, 3rd arch the numbers drop.

That's what I'm saying, because when I speak in demo, that Promise did well in demo people completely disregard it like it means nothing.

So if we can't compare past episodes, we can't use demo and we can't compare different season arch with each other, we can't factor in that a major city didn't air the episode due to a basketball game.

Got it, let me use a different angle. Okay?

If you look at the numbers of last week's networks with TV show, all of them did better last week as compared to this week:

Ugly Betty

Last week: 8.7/14 This week: 8.6/14

Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?

Last Week: 7.7/12 This week: 7.0/11

NBC

Last Week: 4.9/8 This week: 4.7/7

Smallville

Last Week: 3.5/5 This Week: 3.4/5

So all the networks besides FOX due to NCAA Basketball, went down in their ratings.

So in theory that some people have here, it must have been because every network last week aired really bad episodes for their shows which caused people to turn away. ;)


Originally posted by Routh
Oh, Jesus Christ. Forget it.

You edited your post, before you quoted my demo point.

Following the crowd are we?

[Disciple of Zod]

IMO, it takes viewers like us to keep the show on the air, right? Another season or two would be great, What does it matter lets just keep watching . :D

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Disciple of Zod
IMO, it takes viewers like us to keep the show on the air, right? Another season or two would be great, What does it matter lets just keep watching . :D

Two more seasons? I rather not, let this one be the last or the next.

[Best Episode - 321]

The drop in viewership is attributed to the preemption in Chicago. What it means is that around 200K viewers in the Chicago market were watching the CW when Smallville was on air nationally. Unfortunately, WGN was airing a Bulls game which can not be added to the total viewer or demo numbers since they were not the same shows.

When Smallville airs on Saturday, the viewer numbers will count for first run viewership numbers. The CW will get these numbers to use for ad rates, but we will probably not get the total to add to the Thursday ratings.

Think about this, Chicago the #3 market has 3,455,020 TV Homes. If 5% of those homes watch Smallville, that
means 172,751 homes are watching and most homes have more than one person in them.

________________________________________________

Season 6 Episode Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*
Combat................4.07*

* - Final Rating

[MidgardDragon]

*gasp* Best Episode - 321, I'm astounded to see someone in this thread using logic. :D Keep up the good work, thanks for the numbers and info.

[Inquiry]

There are too many variables in terms of TV ratings to be able to blame one single entity for a drop in ratings. All we really have is estimates, and quite frankly thats probably all we'll ever have. This episode dropped about 600,000 viewers, correct? To blame that on Clana, or hell on the entire episode, because it sucked, is extreamely arrogant. Such events like weddings, graduation, etc always attract more viewers. The fact that those viewers didnt stick around for "Combat," in no way implies that "Promise" was so horrible that people quit watching the show. It merely enforces that they thought "Combat" would be a filler episode. Again though that's just one explanation that exists. There are several others out there and in the end we dont know which one is really right.

[Bonita_LovesSuperman]

Promise had better ratings then Combat by 1.... and promise wasn't crap, people might not like the epi but there are others that liked promise haven't seen combat yet so i have to see if it was good:D but the action would've been awesome:D

[trying2b]

I have watched EVERY single episode of Smallville ever broadcast. I think that there is one episode in season 4 that I didn't watch a 2nd time it was so bad.

Oh for the record I loved Promise. I thought this weeks episdoe was rather cheezy. But I also thought that Justice was cheezy and everyone raved about it.

[Routh]

Originally posted by Kreukie
You edited your post, before you quoted my demo point.

Following the crowd are we?
What the hell are you talking about? I edited my post to reply to Absentee's comment, which, coincidentally, did come from her mouth. I wouldn't bother editing my post for you.

As another member pointed out to me, I think you suffer from confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias), so there's really no point in arguing.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Routh
[B]What the hell are you talking about? I edited my post to reply to Absentee's comment, which, coincidentally, did come from her mouth. I wouldn't bother editing my post for you.

I read your post before and you quoted a point about how demo were important, if you were really quoting Absentee demo point and not mine, my mistake, but you did edit your post.


As another member pointed out to me, I think you suffer from confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias), so there's really no point in arguing.

Oh really? What member was that? :o

Because the way I'm trying to defend the episode is by numbers not by blindly saying "The episode did bad because the episode before it."

You continue replying in a nasty matter towards myself and other members for disagreeing with what you agree with.

Donno what I ever done to you for you to reply in this matter "I wouldn't bother editing my post for you." to me. :confused:

[Routh]

Because the way I'm trying to defend the episode is by numbers not by blindly saying "The episode did bad because the episode before it."
You know what? I give up. You can use "numbers" all you want. You can whip out season 4 and 5 ratings a hundred more times. You can pretend like everyone else's facts do exist because you don't like them. I only see one blind person here.

ETA: And I get ticked when you think everyone must believe your nonsensical biased "logic".

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Routh
You know what? I give up. You can use "numbers" all you want. You can whip out season 4 and 5 ratings a hundred more times. You can pretend like everyone else's facts do exist because you don't like them. I only see one blind person here.

Again, with the nasty reply.

Again, what I said is... I'm trying to defend the episode with numbers, my last post that I posted numbers had NOTHING to do with season four or five, but that over-all every series on all the networks that have TV shows, ratings dropped this week as compared to last week.

I'm not pretending that people's like Best Episode - 321 posts that are fact don't exist. I haven't throughout this whole thread, not once. So I don't understand where you're getting that I am?

I agree with Best Episode - 321's posts since they're logical and aren't just blindly saying Combat did poorly due to Promise!

What I'm not taking a liking to are those who continue to say Combat did poorly due to Promise... without no facts to back those statement up, understand?

I didn't watch Combat, others have admitted to also not watching Combat and it's due to the episode not airing in their area or just because they didn't care for the episode.

Not because they disliked Promise, so again to say Combat did poorly due to Promise is false and that's what I'm disagreeing with.


Originally posted by Routh

ETA: And I get ticked when you think everyone must believe your nonsensical biased "logic".

Not only do you continue to insult me, but you continue to put words into my mouth.

You know what, don't read my posts if they upset you THAT much.

[monstra]

Originally posted by Inquiry
There are too many variables in terms of TV ratings to be able to blame one single entity for a drop in ratings. All we really have is estimates, and quite frankly thats probably all we'll ever have. This episode dropped about 600,000 viewers, correct? To blame that on Clana, or hell on the entire episode, because it sucked, is extreamely arrogant. Such events like weddings, graduation, etc always attract more viewers. The fact that those viewers didnt stick around for "Combat," in no way implies that "Promise" was so horrible that people quit watching the show. It merely enforces that they thought "Combat" would be a filler episode. Again though that's just one explanation that exists. There are several others out there and in the end we dont know which one is really right.

Word.

It's like Justice.. Justice did pretty good because it was promoted as a a really big episode, people came to see Justice but then some of them didn't come back for Labyrinth. This doesn't mean people didn't like Justice, it just means people wanted to see that episode cuz it was promoted as a really important one.

Who knows what the ratings for Promise could've been if instead of that episode another would've aired? What if Combat had aired first? I think maybe the ratings would've been a lot lower. We have to remember that the break didn't hurt Promise AT ALL, it had basically the same numbers as Freak.


Originally posted by Routh
You know what? I give up. You can use "numbers" all you want. You can whip out season 4 and 5 ratings a hundred more times. You can pretend like everyone else's facts do exist because you don't like them. I only see one blind person here.

ETA: And I get ticked when you think everyone must believe your nonsensical biased "logic".

Gosh, your replies are nasty indeed.

Why do you think this episode did so bad? All I hear from you is complains, so yeah, whats your reasoning behind Combat doing so bad?

And yeah we're bias. But you're a Clois too, so it's not a surprise we disagree.

What makes me confused is that you keep saying we're bringing Clana up as a factor in the ratings when we're not :\

[Routh]

Why do you think this episode did so bad? All I hear from you is complains, so yeah, whats your reasoning behind Combat doing so bad?
I guess you haven't read my posts at *all*. You say ratings for Combat were low because it was episode 17, which makes no sense. This is what I'm disagreeing with. Circumstances change every. single. season. I really feel like I'm repeating myself here, so I won't bother to elaborate for ears that won't bother to hear.

The fact is, there are people who were turned away from Smallville because of Promise. How many? Who knows. But to think that no one had a problem with the holiness of a certain ship boggles the mind.

And yeah we're bias. But you're a Clois too, so it's not a surprise we disagree.
I'm glad that you admit you're bias. I'll remember that.

And thanks for the assumption. I'm not a Cloiser.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Here's what I'm saying, there's a trend with this series that every year around this time the numbers drop.

Correct?

Every year around the 17th episode, 3rd arch the numbers drop.


Yes, but that can be attributed to many different things. If episodes air during March, perhaps the rating is lower because College basketball is shown instead of Smallville. Perhaps people want to watch college basketball over Smallville. Perhaps the ratings drop because American Idol is on and people want to see the winner of that. My point is that there are so many variables to consider in terms of why the ratings drop. It's very hard to quantify those variables to make a point.




If you look at the numbers of last week's networks with TV show, all of them did better last week as compared to this week:

Ugly Betty

Last week: 8.7/14 This week: 8.6/14

Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?

Last Week: 7.7/12 This week: 7.0/11

NBC

Last Week: 4.9/8 This week: 4.7/7

Smallville

Last Week: 3.5/5 This Week: 3.4/5

So all the networks besides FOX due to NCAA Basketball, went down in their ratings.

So in theory that some people have here, it must have been because every network last week aired really bad episodes for their shows which caused people to turn away. ;)


Well I don't know if I agree with those people in this case since there is college basketball on now that is having an impact on the ratings. Certain areas are not getting Smallville because of it. I do think that previous episodes impact the ratings for the following episode, but in this case, there are just too many variables to consider in order to say why the rating for Combat was so low.

[trying2b]

Originally posted by Routh
The fact is, there are people who were turned away from Smallville because of Promise.


Well allrighty then. I hardly agree with that statement though.

My question is if people missed an episode because of the one episode before that, wouldn't that be like judging a book by its cover? And if they missed an episode because they didn't like the one before that they must not be that big of a fan of the show? I NEVER miss an episode of my favorite show. In fact I can't wait for a new episode every week. It's something I look forward. I really have never not liked an episode of my favorite show. Even the worst episode are still good compared to most of the other crap on newtwork TV. I will miss the show next year when it goes off (thank God for Heroes!) I love the show that much! Some may not like it that much. But here is another thought to ponder, if they don't watch every new episode every week why bother to join a forum that is all about the show and not watch every episode? It seems it would be a waste of time to me but what the hell do I know.


Originally posted by myankskent
in this case, there are just too many variables to consider in order to say why the rating for Combat was so low.

Well it is also spring down here in Texas and the time has changed and people are out doing outdoor activities and whatnot and not sitting around watching TV. For the record I have a HD/DVR so I'm sure not sitting around at 7 at night watching TV.

[Routh]

Thanks for chopping my statement in half, trying2b. I said there were people who were turned away after Promise, but we don't know how many.

My question is if people missed an episode because of the one episode before that, wouldn't that be like judging a book by its cover? And if they missed an episode because they didn't like the one before that they must not be that big of a fan of the show? I NEVER miss an episode of my favorite show. In fact I can't wait for a new episode every week. It's something I look forward. I really have never not liked an episode of my favorite show. Even the worst episode are still good compared to most of the other crap on newtwork TV. I will miss the show next year when it goes off (thank God for Heroes!) I love the show that much! Some may not like it that much. But here is another thought to ponder, if they don't watch every new episode every week why bother to join a forum that is all about the show and not watch every episode? It seems it would be a waste of time to me but what the hell do I know.
Look, I love Smallville, too. There are WAY more casual fans than there are hardcore fans. Believe it or not, if everyone on this forum didn't watch, it wouldn't make a big dent in the ratings at all. There are people who aren't big fans of the show, and can be easily persuaded not to watch because of one reason or another.

[Timester]

Originally posted by trying2b
But here is another thought to ponder, if they don't watch every new episode every week why bother to join a forum that is all about the show and not watch every episode? It seems it would be a waste of time to me but what the hell do I know.

The opposite of "love" is not "hate", but "indiference". Indiferent people don't go on forums to talk about the show.

[ClarkyBoy14]

The CW better put together some good promos for "Progeny" and start showing them like crazy like they did w/ "Promise." I want 4.07 to stay the season low.

[F-Stop Blues]

Ever since season 4 I stopped caring about the ratings.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i think anonther reason for the drop in ratings was the NCAA tournament.
(i hope)
I want as many seasons as we can get of smallville or a spinoff please please.

[trying2b]

Originally posted by Routh
Thanks for chopping my statement in half, trying2b. I said there were people who were turned away after Promise, but we don't know how many.


Well your welcome!:) Anytime I can be assistance let me know. But you did have that in one sentence which would make that a statement.


Originally posted by Timester
The opposite of "love" is not "hate", but "indiference".

OK Confucius but "indiference" is not even a word in the english language. Better go work on your ebonics.

[monstra]

What I don't understand is that, if people were so turned off by the relationships stuff going on in Promise, WHY did they watch the episode?! Wouldn't it make A LOT more sense to not watch something you don't want to see, and then come back next week to watch an episode that involves action and Clark being all Supermanish?

That's what I don't get. If people were so disgusted by Promise and the trailers, why on earth did they watch the episode?

I'll stick to my theory. Women demo weren't there in Combat because the trailer involved action and all kinds of stuff most women don't care about, and the males demos weren't there either cuz they were busy watching basketball.

Why can't we agree on this theory? I think it makes sense, and doesn't involve any kind of shippers crap.

If you wanna continue blaming Promise then you can, but you have to think that people could've been turned off by the Clana ending in this episode (not in good terms, lexana wedding etc). I don't agree with this, but if you wanna go there and mess with the shippers again, go for it.

[Deana]

Originally posted by monstra
What I don't understand is that, if people were so turned off by the relationships stuff going on in Promise, WHY did they watch the episode?! Wouldn't it make A LOT more sense to not watch something you don't want to see, and then come back next week to watch an episode that involves action and Clark being all Supermanish?

That's what I don't get. If people were so disgusted by Promise and the trailers, why on earth did they watch the episode?

I'll stick to my theory. Women demo weren't there in Combat because the trailer involved action and all kinds of stuff most women don't care about, and the males demos weren't there either cuz they were busy watching basketball.

Why can't we agree on this theory? I think it makes sense, and doesn't involve any kind of shippers crap.

If you wanna continue blaming Promise then you can, but you have to think that people could've been turned off by the Clana ending in this episode (not in good terms, lexana wedding etc). I don't agree with this, but if you wanna go there and mess with the shippers again, go for it. I watched it because of the return of Lois.

This is the first season that I have watched every episode without her in it. Promise made me regret that decision. Wuss Clark did give me a laugh though. :lol:

[Timester]

Originally posted by trying2b
OK Confucius but "indiference" is not even a word in the english language. Better go work on your ebonics.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/indifference

You might better to check things first before, so you don't look like a fool flamming the others next time.

[boywithbluehanger]

^^ouch....quite embarrassing....albeit entertaining though!!

The ratings suck a$$!! All the excuses in the world really don't matter. Of course anyone can say that the ratings are as good as they could possibly get due to the college basketball, the highly popular 5th grader show etc but still the ratings suck in general!

For the CW shows, 6 mill is good. 5 mill is healthy. 4 mill is just ok. And anything lower is "blah" to "not good". (Which makes up the majority of the CW dramas.) So yeah, the ratings sucked this week. Regardless of why the ratings were low, they were.

No need to worry though, theres no way they drop Smallville now...it has a bigger fanbase plus and almost equal seniority as Gilmore Girls!

[trying2b]

Originally posted by Timester
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/indifference

You might better to check things first before, so you don't look like a fool flamming the others next time.

"Flamming" huh? Now who looks like the "fool"? Maybe you should use that dictionary to learn how to spell properly? It's "flaming" not "flamming". And it's also "indifference" not "indiference".

Look if you want to do some "trolling" get a boat, some bait, and some fishing line and throw your hook out in the water and not in this forum.

[Bonita_LovesSuperman]

Promise had better ratings then Combat..

That was true what monstra said, if you didn't like promise why didn't you just switch the television off or just walk away:D

^^^the person got wrecked hardcore who ever spelled it wrong:lol::lol:

[jor-eldeux]

The ratings don't matter. The show is destined for season 7 and that's it. It takes the story line up to Superman and that's it ... the show is crappily written - the story arch is pathetic ... they have no respect for the history ... at all. I watch hoping for a glimpse of the Man of Steel and his love Lois Lane - the two people you want most together in all of fiction. There is a mix of Superman fans in the audience, but the show is written and the ratings are primarily driven from day one of Clark (who happens to have super powers so he can rescue her) and Lana - always has been always will be. They are after the 18 - 25 demographic - total numbers mean nothing.

[Bonita_LovesSuperman]

Well Smallville is about Clark, what he goes through his life ...Clark is still in Love with Lana in smallville..DEAL WITH IT:D...

They can't have Clois because of the Movie .. He doesn't know his superman yet until nearly the end:D

[jack1487]

Well since the CW does not have as many stations as the WB that would count for a big drop in viewer ship. Also for us who have DirecTV (at least 20 million viewers) or Dish Network (at least 10 to 15 million viewers) that we are not counted in any of the ratings for any show that we watch. Both of these satellite companies have at a lot more people watching then a lot of shows more then some of the over the air stations. I watch the show because in is based on Superman growing up and also for the entertainment plus I just like it. My 2 cents!


Take Care,

Jack

PS: Numbers are a guess but I am sure they will be in the ballpark.

[k-son]

Not good as ANTM is widening its lead over SV. All the rest was reruns so can't judge what this lowest rating for the season may portend.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
For the CW shows, 6 mill is good. 5 mill is healthy. 4 mill is just ok. And anything lower is "blah" to "not good". (Which makes up the majority of the CW dramas.) So yeah, the ratings sucked this week. Regardless of why the ratings were low, they were.

Actually, for a netlet like the CW, 3 million is considered good, 4 million great, 5 million excellent, and 6 million would have the execs weeping with joy. This was how the ratings for the WB and UPN were judged back in the (not so distant) day, and I think the same must apply to the CW. And, the fact that the CW is seen in fewer markets than the WB and UPN means that those "rules" would apply even more to them.

So, 4 million viewers for an episode of SV is good in terms of the overall network. It's when comparing the ratings for individual episodes that SV suffers.

As for the 17th episode of each season being low, there's a reason for that. The quality of SV's seasons always seems to drop around this time of year. It's an unfortunate trend for this show. A season starts strong, seems to have focus. But, around the halfway mark and beyond, it's like they lose their way. And the ratings drop. If the end of SV seasons were as strong as (or stronger than) the beginnings, I doubt you'd see the same kind of drop in ratings.

Were the ratings hurt by basketball? Yes. But other factors (including disappointed in the previous episode, and dissatisfaction with the seasonal arc in general, and all the breaks we've been getting) also play a part.

[trying2b]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1


As for the 17th episode of each season being low, there's a reason for that. The quality of SV's seasons always seems to drop around this time of year. It's an unfortunate trend for this show. A season starts strong, seems to have focus. But, around the halfway mark and beyond, it's like they lose their way. And the ratings drop. If the end of SV seasons were as strong as (or stronger than) the beginnings, I doubt you'd see the same kind of drop in ratings.


Did you take into consideration of season 2 and 3? They were great towards the end. However I don't agree with you on this. In the south it is spring and everyone is doing outdoor activities and whatnot so to say this is of course your opinion. No one knows for sure why the ratings drop or go up.

[Dannyblue]

Originally posted by trying2b
Did you take into consideration of season 2 and 3? They were great towards the end. However I don't agree with you on this. In the south it is spring and everyone is doing outdoor activities and whatnot so to say this is of course your opinion. No one knows for sure why the ratings drop or go up.

Oh, I never said the weather had nothing to do with the ratings. But would the ratings be higher if more viewers weren't quite as disappointed as they seem to be? I think so.

There are always many different factors that go into the ratings. But I happen to think that "Combat" had a lot of different factors taking chunks out of the ratings.

1. Basketball took a chunk.

2. The fact that some viewers outright disliked "Promise" enough not to want to see the next episode took a chunk.

3. The time of year took a chunk.

4. General viewer dissatisfaction took a chunk.

5. Lack of promotion took a chunk.

And all of these chunks added up to a pretty big dip in the ratings.

I just don't think it can be argued that the ratings would be higher if more viewers were actually pleased with the show right now. Would their still have been a dip in "Combat's" ratings? Maybe. But it wouldn't have been as deep.

[k-son]

Originally posted by Dannyblue
Oh, I never said the weather had nothing to do with the ratings. But would the ratings be higher if more viewers weren't quite as disappointed as they seem to be? I think so.

There are always many different factors that go into the ratings. But I happen to think that "Combat" had a lot of different factors taking chunks out of the ratings.

1. Basketball took a chunk.

2. The fact that some viewers outright disliked "Promise" enough not to want to see the next episode took a chunk.

3. The time of year took a chunk.

4. General viewer dissatisfaction took a chunk.

5. Lack of promotion took a chunk.

And all of these chunks added up to a pretty big dip in the ratings.

I just don't think it can be argued that the ratings would be higher if more viewers were actually pleased with the show right now. Would their still have been a dip in "Combat's" ratings? Maybe. But it wouldn't have been as deep.

ITA. CW can't be happy with the trend lately.

[Dark Knight23]

I don't know why every one is hating on Promise. It was a good episode. Good acting and directing. And if you look at the ratings Promise was one of the most highest ratings of the seaon. Combat was an equally great episode. You can't blame Promise of the bad ratings you can blame that College Basketball knocked off some of the major markets were CW broadcasts. And y would u be happy that the ratings were so this week? This will prove to Al/Miles that people want to see Clana because the ratings were with Clana than with Lexana. And that's all I have to say about this.

[Bware]

Hello??? Am I the only one that liked Promise?!
Just the fact that Clark showed major emotion made it a plus for me! It's nice to see him emotional rather than just blank as usual.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Bware
Hello??? Am I the only one that liked Promise?!
Just the fact that Clark showed major emotion made it a plus for me! It's nice to see him emotional rather than just blank as usual.

You are not the only one that liked promise (just look at the poll in the rate this episode thread for it.) Always remember that in real life as with on this site the whiners and haters (and even just those who disliked it) will always have a louder voice than those that like something.

[trying2b]

Originally posted by Bware
Hello??? Am I the only one that liked Promise?!
Just the fact that Clark showed major emotion made it a plus for me! It's nice to see him emotional rather than just blank as usual.

I liked it. My parents who live in another state also liked Promise. Tigress the lady that does the weekly reviews also liked it.

[Kal-alien]

Originally posted by Routh


There was a HUGE break after Lucy aired, but there wasn't after Hypnotic, and they both fell considerably. And some people just cannot face the fact that Smallville on the CW will never reach the numbers of Smallville on the WB, because the CW has a CONSIDERABLY lower amount of stations than the WB did.

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I'd LOVE to se a source for this. I never had the WB when I was in college, I had UPN, so I was forced to watch Smallville at 2:00 AM on Sunday mornings on our NBC affiliate. THAT was rough. when WB and UPN merged, they turned my UPN into WB. So If more UPN's were turned into CW's, and WB's are also CW's I can't possibly see how there would be a"CONSIDERABLY lower amount". The whole purpose of that merger was to reach a broader audience and consolidate 2 networks that only had enough decent shows to put on one network. Show me a source, I'll believe you, don't and i'll chalk it up to BS statistics created by you in a feeble attempt to make yourself look more intelligent than you are.


Originally posted by Kal-alien
they turned my UPN into WB. .
I meant CW, not WB, sorry for the confusion

[trying2b]

Originally posted by Kal-alien
Show me a source, I'll believe you, don't and i'll chalk it up to BS statistics created by you in a feeble attempt to make yourself look more intelligent than you are.



That is fricking hilarious!!!:rotfl:

[Naomi]

Originally posted by trying2b
Did you take into consideration of season 2 and 3? They were great towards the end. However I don't agree with you on this. In the south it is spring and everyone is doing outdoor activities and whatnot so to say this is of course your opinion. No one knows for sure why the ratings drop or go up.
Season 2's ratings were still strong at the end I believe. Rosetta was the 17th episode there, and got some of Smallville's best ever ratings :)

I can't remember if season 3 dropped a lot or not, but it is true that seasons 4 and 5 both saw the show take a downturn from the first half of the season. Even season 3 was a lot stronger in the beginning from Exile-Asylum (excluding Magnetic), and then started introducing the mid season filler

[DentonSuperMan]

Some times ratings effect they type of episodes in the middle of the season but never at the end.