Promise and Reckoning

[xrayvision]

This was an absolutely horrible episode. It should have been called Reckoning 2. Total suckage. So bad that this is the only post I will make about this episode. Total soap opera.

What sucked about it:

1. The revelation of Clark's powers to Lana. Very anti-climactic. It was just Lana lying and playing tricks again. This is what we waited all these years for? I was hoping she would have found out about it herself after researching stuff she could have found in the Clark obsession room, but why would something involving continuity like that take place?

2. Clark pining fever. This is the future Superman? Gimme a break! Go propose to Shelby, Clark. Nuff said.

3. Lexana. I thought this garbage would end and they would not get married and instead split. But now we have to continue putting up with this trash.

4. Lex killing his doctor. It was very rushed and there was nothing special about it. Instead of getting a glimpse of an evil, power hungry SOB who takes no crap, it wreaked of desperation due to Lex losing Lana. There was no sign of MB in that murder.

5. The picture frame flying out the window. Who knows what poor SOB got impaled with that. Couldn't they have instead have him take the photo out and heatvision it? It made so much sense especially with him going after Lana again just moments later. Yeah right.

6. Where the hell was Lois? She is a close enough friend of Lana that she should have been invited to the wedding. What about Pete? Nell was barely in it after how long it was since we've last seen her.

7. Chloe doing a 180 and telling Clark to save Lana from making the mistake when she was urging him to move on. She is the one who told Lana to "take a dip in the pool" in Wither. This made no sense.

The only good thing about this episode was Lionel. I didn't understand the ending though. I thought Lionel would clean up after Lex and instead of wanting something, would teach Lex to leave no trace of his victims, only for Lex to eventually use this against him later when he ultimately kills him as we all expect.

One other good thing was Lana's point of view when Clark supersped. To someone looking at him, he would just disappear as he did (no streak as the viewers see). But I still think it was a mistake to have her find out like this.

If they wanted to have Clark meet Lana at the barn, a better thing would have been to have him get caught up with a zoner who would suddenly show up and have Lana get caught up with something else other than blackmail from Lionel because that will forever cement the angst between those 2 and they will never be able to become only friends. Having a zoner show up would also show Clark to be mature enough to sacrifice what he feels about Lana and do the Supermanly thing and tend to the bigger threat to public safety.

All this episode had was angst and all soap scenes. Just like Reckoning, it had no real villian (unless you consider Lionel one as Lex was a complete pansy) and no action. It was also bits of Hypnotic (like the "look into my eyes" line). I rename this episode Recknotic. A trainwreck in the middle of a streak of good episodes. Sorry to anyone who enjoyed the episode, these are just my opinions. I'll be looking forward to next week's episode and won't post anymore in the Promise forum since it was such a disappointment on what I thought would be a Promising episode.

[thehenry89]

i think alot of people here share your sentiments xrayvison. none of these chararchters resemble who they were four years ago...heck they don't even resemble who they were four weeks ago.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision

5. The picture frame flying out the window. Who knows what poor SOB got impaled with that.


:rotfl: :rotfl: This is priceless. All very good points xray.

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by xrayvision
[B]
5. The picture frame flying out the window. Who knows what poor SOB got impaled with that. Couldn't they have instead have him take the photo out and heatvision it? It made so much sense especially with him going after Lana again just moments later. Yeah right.

The only good thing about this episode was Lionel. B]

:lol: I was thinking the same thing about him tossing the picture-a little reckless use of the ole powers!

And Lionel was the only one that didn't disappoint me tonight.

[Deana]

This is indeed Reckoning 2.0. The original was more damaging to me though.

They killed my Johnathan to set up this stupid soapy episode. *cries*

[Ilovebeinglost]

I think this will definetly make Clark stronger he can now put her aside and go on with his life.

Remember he has not taken his training yet and that took 15 years on the original movie. He's still a kid right now and this Lana thing will now make him move on.

[Lostfan588]

I actually enjoyed Reckoning!

At least in Reckoning Lana wasnt engaged and "pregnant" with another mans child, and married...

how bad can they make clark look? :lol:


Lionel saved this episode for me tho...Lex too...i was actually pissed off at all the other characters.

[BABarracus]

it is Reckoning from lana point of view clark lied to lana to protect her from lex becuase he accidently kills her in a car crash and clark turns back time and his father dies. in the same way lana lies to clark to protect him from lionel

when some one has had krptonite in the past clak has proven useless some one usely comes to save him

as far as lana and clark they will just be friends or thats the way its suposed to be becuase of his fedish for lois

apperntly clark will go train after the season finale

the seventh seaon might be the last one they could do a time skip for that season after he has trained becuase his training is supposed to be what changed him from farm boy to superman

unless he want to go back to jounir college after he come back

but if he can see at super speed and comprehend it he should beable to read a superspeed too

[Honey45]

I would think if something was so terribly awful, it wouldn't be worth spending time to write a long post about.

But maybe that's just me..

[jimmyolsenblues]

this episode really was reckoning part II.
i was so mad at the end of episode 100, and now I am just sad for clark.

[meggy]

i would like to agree wth you Ilovebeinglost...but i feel that Clark is not going to put Lana aside and move on..i think Clana angst will continue into season 7 and beyond

[paolinki25]

One would have thought they learned the lesson with Reckoning, but no, they go and do it again, but this time it's even worse.

[warriorrenegade]

Bless you Xray, bless you.

[msleggie]

I hope clana angst doesn't go into season 7 b/c I can't take much more of that. I liked the episode, but I didn't like the outcome, I am very angry about the direction the show is taking. I want lexana to be over, I want chloe to stop flip floping and make up her mind on the advice she gives out. I want Lex to stop trying to hold on to a women who doesn't really want him and I want clark to grow some balls and stop whining like a little girl who lost her barbie doll!

[BABarracus]

Originally posted by meggy
i would like to agree wth you Ilovebeinglost...but i feel that Clark is not going to put Lana aside and move on..i think Clana angst will continue into season 7 and beyond

season 7 has to be completely diffrent becuase this seaon isnt that memorable almost like a shakespears play except no main characters die that often

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I agree about 'Reckoning 2'.... The bad thing is: this time we saw it coming...

[princesslaya]

......yeah and the bad thing is we cant erase what happend at the end like clark did when lana died.......can't clark erase lana saying "I do".

[bugaloo]

I don't understand why the writers are making feeble attempts at writing a storyline. Do they listen to viewers at all?

All in all, I love smallville, it still intices me and I do find most of the episodes likable. I'll always watch, but yes, people keep saying enough is enough with all of this Lana crap.

I like the character, but they're writing her wrong sometimes (I don't think ALL the time). Clark can be included in there as well.

Looking back at earlier seasons. I'll say it.. it's not very good. I don't things get really cooked up till season 5. From there, there are many improvements.

But you'd think they'd write out of the mess they made in the first 3 seasons with the returning Tina Greer... ahaha..

and recycled material with more meteor freaks.

I wish they would just get over with the Lana obsession. Thats all I ask.

[j-kent]

I think I'm one of the few anomalies NOT doing EXCESSIVE nit picking....I mean come on now...you're all still watching and will be next week guaranteed...lighten up guys

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by j-kent
I think I'm one of the few anomalies NOT doing EXCESSIVE nit picking....I mean come on now...you're all still watching and will be next week guaranteed...lighten up guys
Well, we keep watching cause we hope for CHANGE to the BETTER.
However, no luck this season...

[Fly by guy]

It's Reckoning 2 because Clark nor Lana can take 15 seconds to warn the other person that they are in danger from a Luthor. Why?:confused:

[HnK]

Then tell me, for crying out loud, what do you want? Clark fighting Phantoms? Whoptido, we got a show with instead of FOTW we have POTW. I actually think Smallville has a good balance of drama and cool fight stuff. Next eppy will be "Combat" And I assure you, you drama haters will get effects and kicking about. And yes, I like that too.

Only really bad thing about smallville is the constant "have a full on drama eppy, then reverse the effect, or make it be followed by either clark putting on red k or some action eppy where all is forgotten" This one step forward, two steps back is getting on my nerves. But that is what makes it able to have 7 seasons.

[Reign]

You keep watching for change for the better? What's that supposed to mean? By that logic, you could watch Jerry Springer and hope that it became something intellectual and fulfilling. the real reason you watch is because, despite you issues with the show, it intrigues you. That applies both to Smallville and the Springer analogy.

I don't think people are every satisfied on this forum until something happens in the show that conforms to what they expect. I have disagreed with a lot of what has happened throughout the show, but where is the surprise and creativity in that?

[j-kent]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Well, we keep watching cause we hope for CHANGE to the BETTER.
However, no luck this season...

with so much pessimistic attitudes...have fun "waiting" for change....for now I think it's quite entertaining!

The good thing about being a core DC fan is that you can enjoy how other supe continuations do their thing...o well I guess if it makes you guys happy

^^^
OMG THANK YOU OPTIMISTS OUT THERE!!!!

[ChlarkMe]

Originally posted by HeddyH
I would think if something was so terribly awful, it wouldn't be worth spending time to write a long post about.

But maybe that's just me..

Actually it's very theraputic to talk or write about something that bothers you. We do it all the time.

I appreciate that the opinion was posted as I shared it and didn't post it.

[thmallville]

It totally reminded me of Reckoning!!! And I hated Reckoning! It's pathetic. Why would TPTB basically repeat Reckoning when it got such bad reviews from the viewers!?!?! And plus, we only got about 1/3 of an episode because the SAME STUPID SCENES WERE REPEATED THREE TIMES!!!!!!!

[jmf1]

Originally posted by princesslaya
......yeah and the bad thing is we cant erase what happend at the end like clark did when lana died.......can't clark erase lana saying "I do".

Yeah. It's called annulment

[Professor Chaos]

Yea, it was pretty bad. I can't wait for Combat so we can see an actual fight in a show about Superman..:rolleyes:

[pissedoff]

I'd have to disagree with all of you. I think this was one of the better episodes this season. All of the actors really showed how good they where. there were so many different emotions all of them had to show in this episode. I think everyone Starting with Clark all the way down to Shelby did a great job with this one.

And for everyone out there saying it's about time she figured out about Clark. Come on people, if she would have guessed it three or four years ago the show would have been over. And then none of you would be here talking about it.

[CKislife]

Agree with it ALL. It was a pathetic episode.. I miss the old ones, the new ones are pretty pathetic.

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by Reign
You keep watching for change for the better? What's that supposed to mean? By that logic, you could watch Jerry Springer and hope that it became something intellectual and fulfilling. the real reason you watch is because, despite you issues with the show, it intrigues you. That applies both to Smallville and the Springer analogy.

I don't think people are every satisfied on this forum until something happens in the show that conforms to what they expect. I have disagreed with a lot of what has happened throughout the show, but where is the surprise and creativity in that?

I have to agree. I don't love everything that TPTB do, but I still really like the show. This is a TV show, not a comic book. Comics are only limited by imagination. TV shows have budgetary constraints, network approval, rights conflicts, actors' schedules and availability, etc. The show has to be a little creative or else what's the point? You can just read the comics over and over. When this show is over, regardless of how many episodes I didn't like out of the whole, I am still going to wish for just one more episode.

This is just one version of the story, there are several others, and to be honest, the fact that Clark has to deal with personal mistakes and tragedy makes him more real than just a shallow former jock who just believes in right and wrong because his parents told him to.

Sorry for the rant. I guess I just feel compelled to defend the show since I like it so much. It's like hearing people talk trash about a friend. Even if some of it's true, it doesn't mean they're a totally bad person.

[TheSupaMan]

This was one of the best written episodes of the season, and I'm no fan of Clark and Lana but their scenes had great chemistry. They did sort of reuse a past plot to do this episode? Yeah but it was still written greatly.

[Andyville]

Finally, we got a two-part episode. Yeah, the promising "Promise" turned into a lame episode in the pretty same way "Reckoning" did a year ago. It's just so rushed and all, it makes the good parts of the episode look bad too. I can't believe they messed another episode up!

What do you think?

[cj_wow]

what in the world are you talking about a two part episode?

[supermanfreak]

I completely agree with you. It was rushed in the same way as "reckoning" was and none of it seemed real. i half expected them all to wake up and say "ok! glad that bizarre dream's over!" and the whole continuity thing was wacked out, with going back and forth. It was confusing, pointless, and did nothing extra to the episode.

[cmm]

that's the name of the episode i was thinking about.

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

Originally posted by supermanfreak
and the whole continuity thing was wacked out, with going back and forth. It was confusing, pointless, and did nothing extra to the episode.

I disagree, I think it added complexity to the writing, which makes it INTERESTING imo. I liked it.



Mod Note: Edited for breaking rule 15

[Andyville]

Why is the thread being moved?

[Sola Gracia]

Oh...no...another Reckoning episode??? It was the worst episode for me...when Clark failed propose Lana to marry her:(

[Honey45]

Either way, people would be complaining.

If they put all that in one episode, people would be saying "That was too rushed, they should have stretched it out".

If they split it up into two or more episodes, people would be saying "Stop dragging this plotline! It could have fit into one episode".


I think this episode was as good as any, but with a little more tension and nerves.
I liked it, and I liked Reckoning. In no way do I think either episode relates to the other.


Originally posted by supermanfreak
and the whole continuity thing was wacked out, with going back and forth. It was confusing, pointless, and did nothing extra to the episode.

I completely and totally disagree.
It wasn't confusing at all, I don't think it could have been made any clearer.

And I think it was a nice way to differentiate from the other episodes. Every other episode is just all regular view of everything. This way, we got to see three people's views on different events. It was more intriguing and made me excited for the rest of the episode, so I could get some questions answered (like from Clark's view, when he met up with Lana in the mansion - what was she writing and who came in the door?)

[meteor_phreak]

just curious as to the percentages...

so many people compare the two, for some obvious reasons, i wanted to know the opinions of people. also, i wanted to keep the poll moderate, so you wouldn't get the extremes with everyone in the middle not having one to vote on, so consider all sorts of dislike on the same post and all sorts of "like" on the same.


<----- Liked Reckoning(though i was a fanatic, but not quite obsessed back then) and hated Promise.

edit: i wanted a poll, but unfortunately i don't meet the minimum intelligence requirements for one. I didn't click the button labeled "make poll"