the 2nd wine cellar scene has added dialog that wsn't in the first (Merged)

[meteor_phreak]

why did they change the wording from the two POV's for the cellar scene?

it didn't even seem on purpose...very distracting from what they were trying to get across.

[mctor]

i noticed that 2, one scene chloe said "the hero", and in the other she said "my hero"

[Uffr]

Didn't notice.

[lilkoolmaria]

It thought something was off!

[meteor_phreak]

in the first one clark said "if you don't know that, you don't know me as well as i thought."

in the second one clark said "if you don't know that, you don't know me very well..."

there were also several words where chloe and/or clark sounded more desperate/frantic/hyper...

[jimmyolsenblues]

i honestly feel it was to remind everyone of ep 100.

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
i honestly feel it was to remind everyone of ep 100. i don't get it :confused:

[HowardFilms]

You mean the other episode that built up to a disappointing ending?

Seriously, I was *so* content when Lana died. Sometimes if I'm feeling low I just go back and watch the first half of the episode.

[mctor]

ignore my last post i was wrong just rewatched the scenes again

[ron75upc]

Originally posted by mctor
i noticed that 2, one scene chloe said "the hero", and in the other she said "my hero"

No she said my hero both times. I was shocked when it came out the first time. Then I listened for it the second time.

I am happy with the way that Lana found out. She put the pieces to gether, it almost reminded me of Chloe, except Chloe was brought to the place and Lana brought Clark to the place.
Cool

[youandme]

Did you notice in the second cellar scene, when clark sped off there was no special effects..he just disappeared!

[biggkoz]

Yeah that was a big screw up. I watched it 3 times and it was like they forgot to add the effect but just blew some wind on chloes hair haha.

[Dope]

i think they did that to show lana's pov of how clark looked like speeding off

[michaelcox]

Originally posted by biggkoz
Yeah that was a big screw up. I watched it 3 times and it was like they forgot to add the effect but just blew some wind on chloes hair haha.

Don't think it was a screw up. That is what it looked like from Lana's POV.

[youandme]

ahh ok never thought of that

[Cool_Breeze]

also wouldn't clark be able to hear lana breathing with his super hearing if she was that close.

[biggkoz]

Yeah I guess the first one was way effects with the big red streak.

[Xavieryz]

anyone else notice that when lana was watching clark and chloe in the wine cellar she apologies and says

yah I am so so sorry I would rather be tied to a bolder of kryptonite then to come down here to ground zero of the luthor lang wedding but I didn't have a choice it wasn't my fault lana hid lexes wedding present down here and she asked me to come down here to get it and the door shut


but the phrase I would rather be tied to a bolder of kryptonite then to come down here to ground zero of the luthor lang wedding but I didn't have a choice it wasn't my fault

wasn't actually said in the first scene.

I wonder why they would have added that to the second scene

[Downzeked55]

did you notice that some parts of the ep, when they were trying to show the different points of view, were different?

ex. the second clana kiss was longer.

[rekka]

I noticed this too, some scenes were different, the part in the wine cellar. Clark said 'You obviously dont know me as well as I thought you did' in the first bit, then in Lanas perspective he said 'You obviously dont know me well'.

Other parts were different too like facial expressions. When Lana tells Clark shes not going to marry Lex the first time in Clarks perspective he smiles before he says 'what are you saying', in Lanas perspective he doesnt.

It doesnt make sense to shoot the same scenes twice, they could have just used different camera angles. So they must have done it for a reason.

[SV_Ingo]

Did nobody notice that the two dialogues in the wine cellar (which are supposed to be the same, of course ;) ) weren't the same?

For example, the second scene did include "I know you'd rather be tied to a boulder of kryptonite than come down here for ground zero of the Luthor/Lang wedding, but I didn't have a choice. It wasn't my fault.", the first didn't.


Didn't they have enough money to shoot the scene one time from more angles? :confused: :eek:

[descendentskid]

Speaking as an editor, I think it was an afterthought. It's really long winded, even for Chloe. I think they just needed to show Lana's reactions and Clark using heat vision so they added that as just a voice over in the editing room. (You never see Chloe's face when she says it)

[wraith808]

One thing I did notice that wasn't just a change of camera angles... in that last part of the scene, the first time, we see clark run away. The second time, he disappears.

[wraith808]

Actually, it would have cost *less* money to shoot the scene once from different angles. One thing that I did think was telling- Clark actually disappeared in the one that was from Lana's viewpoint... in the Chloe one, we saw him run away as usual...

[Honey45]

I also noticed the 2 times Clark walked in on Lana in the mansion, his lines changed.
Something small, like "I can't let you go through with this unless you know everything" to "I can't let you go through with this. You have to know everything" or something.

I wonder why they didn't just film those scenes once and use them both times?
Because by the time Lana's part changed, the shot was cut to a different angle.


Originally posted by wraith808
Actually, it would have cost *less* money to shoot the scene once from different angles. One thing that I did think was telling- Clark actually disappeared in the one that was from Lana's viewpoint... in the Chloe one, we saw him run away as usual...

I didn't get this either.
When they showed Clark speeding away in Chloe's view, we saw the blurry lines behind him.
When they showed Clark speeding away in Lana's view, he just disappeared.

I don't get it..? Why would Chloe be able to see the blur and not Lana?

[that girl]

Also, I noticed that in the first scene (from Clark's POV), Clark tells Chloe that if she didn't know that breaking up with Lana was the hardest thing he ever had to do she didn't know him as well as he thought. But in the second one (from Lana's POV) Clarks says that if Chloe didn't know that breaking up with Lana was the hardest thing he ever had to do then she didn't know him at all.

My mom suggested that it could be explained by saying that since it was from different points of view, different people remember it differently, but if Lana's POV added something about kryptonite, then I doubt it can be explained away so easily.

[randomguy]

ye i was confuzzled as to why they shot scenes twice, wouldn't it make more sense to just have more than one camera?

[descendentskid]

Originally posted by randomguy
ye i was confuzzled as to why they shot scenes twice, wouldn't it make more sense to just have more than one camera? It is INSANELY hard to do a multicam shoot on a show like this. Even with an awesome DP it takes a lot of time to light 2 different people in a way that looks good... And to do 2 people at once is nearly impossible just because of the amount of time it takes. Especially when shooting on HD.

[michalibee]

Hello gang!

This is my first post.

I was thinking about that too. There was aother line that was said differently, and then another... makes me think that it's supposed to be this way. Maybe like in real life (stretching here obviously) when you're told something and someone else is there but remembers it differently. Does that make sense?

I loved this episode and I loved the direction. I just got tired of the love triangle a long time ago and was sad to see it back. I hope for the sake of fairness to say the least, that the producers take it to the next level already. And T & K have fantabulous chemistry! lol

Anyway, cool to be here. I've been a lurker for a while ;)

Err... Also, I disliked Lana for a long time, but she rocked tonight! Finally ;)

Chloe is great too, and I can't wait to see her power.

But that's for another thread :lol:

I'm off. Good night!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Maybe w/ all the boulder stuff, Clark just wasnt paying attention, so he didnt hear it.

[Honey45]

Originally posted by descendentskid
It is INSANELY hard to do a multicam shoot on a show like this. Even with an awesome DP it takes a lot of time to light 2 different people in a way that looks good... And to do 2 people at once is nearly impossible just because of the amount of time it takes. Especially when shooting on HD.

The thing is, no matter who's view it was, the shots were the same.
(Meaning in Lana's view, they still showed the same shots of Clark and of Lana as in Clark's view).

Do you get what I mean?
It's not about shooting from different angles.. the scenes were completely the same in every way, except for the lines.


(I'm going to try to rewatch tonight and see)

[REDkROB]

I'm pretty sure they did that last part of the scene different on purpose. When he disappeared it's because it was from lana's point of through her eyes and humans can't really see how fast he moves. Usually when we see clark superspeed its blurred for a cool special effect for our benefit, think about how boring it would be all the time if he just disappeared. Them making him disappear like that was actually very attentive.

[aforgottenwish]

In Clark's POV, he said "I can't let you do this, not unless you know everything." and in Lana's POV, he said "I cannot let you do this, not until you know everything."

Also, in the wine cellar, Chloe said the word "love" really funny in Lana's POV, but she said it normally in Clark's POV. The funny way was very annoying :\ .

[SVSpector]

It was effectivlely done from multiple points of view....if you ask a group of people to describe an event they all witness....you will get those kinds of differences. That makes it well done......in my point of view.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by REDkROB
I'm pretty sure they did that last part of the scene different on purpose. When he disappeared it's because it was from lana's point of through her eyes and humans can't really see how fast he moves. Usually when we see clark superspeed its blurred for a cool special effect for our benefit, think about how boring it would be all the time if he just disappeared. Them making him disappear like that was actually very attentive.

Agreed, and a good nod to the effect of things that Clark does to people that have no idea what's going on. From Lana's perspective, she could have thought that Clark was like Alicia+ LOL! After all, it looked like he teleported, was very strong, and had heat vision... LOL! I really liked that they did that... and the reason it didn't happen in the other POV, was that was the audience's POV... not Clark's, and not Chloe's.

[Jephael]

You know what's funny is the whole scene replay is sort of a nodd to Back to the Future Part 2, which is kinda funny considering Chloe already made a reference to BTTF in "Reckoning" after Clark mentioned going back in time.

[Kii]

Originally posted by SVSpector
It was effectivlely done from multiple points of view....if you ask a group of people to describe an event they all witness....you will get those kinds of differences. That makes it well done......in my point of view.
That's an interesting way to look at those scenes.

[mansuper]

Originally posted by SVSpector
It was effectivlely done from multiple points of view....if you ask a group of people to describe an event they all witness....you will get those kinds of differences. That makes it well done......in my point of view.

Exactly. This concept was crystal clear to me...I don't understand all the confusion in this thread. It was very evident that the inaccuracies were due to the varied recollections of the events that occurred.

[BULLITT]

Welling messed up his lines, and Mack's intonations were different.

[ScottM1956]

Originally posted by REDkROB
I'm pretty sure they did that last part of the scene different on purpose. When he disappeared it's because it was from lana's point of through her eyes and humans can't really see how fast he moves. Usually when we see clark superspeed its blurred for a cool special effect for our benefit, think about how boring it would be all the time if he just disappeared. Them making him disappear like that was actually very attentive.


I think you hit it right on there

[michalibee]

I agree ^

[nickyjean_1]

I'm going with the pov theory and people remembering diffenerantly .. and I think that the writers were trying to be so suttle about it go lost in the show... I think the blinking from Lana's pov was the only thing that made me even notice that there was a difference and drove me to think a bit more about it..

[mansuper]

Kryptonsite even stated before the episode aired that the writer's and producer's said that the episode would take place from different POV.