Will someonme plz explain how this guy ever becomes superman? [Archive]

boywithbluehanger

03-15-2007, 08:53 PM

Honestly..would it kill people to just watch the entire series before wondering how this version of Clark Kent becomes Superman?!

He saves lives of many many many people he never meets without wanting anything in return from them. He tries to mentor misguided youth at any given chance, offers his home to strangers (3 who weren't particularly trustworthy!) , hates the idea of hiding who he is from the public eye (iconic "no masks" standard), he's a decent quality american citizen!

Who gives a flying crap if he's bit$%in over a cute girl for 6 years?! I don't! I mean isn't it kool enough that we know he doesn't end up with her? Who cares that he's not a super intelligent guy in this version...leave smarts for the superheroes who aren't invulnerable! I mean does he have to have a super brain too?! I tend not to think so...but whatever...I'm done :D

MetroGirl06

03-15-2007, 08:53 PM

That writers kinda dug themselves into a hole on this one. Clark has some serious growing up to do, and he better get started too! The wedding should have been the ultimate kick in the ass to move on, but NO! Now hes wearing diapers and wiping up his tears! If he doesnt move on soon that I dont see how he could ever become superman.

meteor_phreak

03-15-2007, 09:03 PM

IMO, he's nowhere near as bad as Lex. At least superman is supposed to have a heart. Lex is supposed to be a world dominating badie. he actually uttered the words "What if she doesn't show? I honestly don't know what my life is without her." LEX FRICKIN LUTHOR!!!!

jarethmc

03-15-2007, 09:23 PM

Where is it written that a man who has been dealt the cruel blows that Clark has been dealt and suffers a pain beyond endurance in the name of love is weak or emasculated. This is a true and heart breaking suffering both he and Lana are going through. It will ultimately make him stronger, but until then, please have some compassion for this young man trying to find his way in the world. He hurts and he suffers in the name of Love and we all know that the pain of love can be utterly devastating.
The suck it up, be a man mentality is just so not right. I see Clark hurting and I dont think wimp. My heart hurts for him. Again where is the compassion? His compassion will make him a Superman!!

Mischael12

03-15-2007, 09:27 PM

It would be heart breaking if it was Clark falls in love with lana they stayed together, then they broke up.

But with them it was always the pining, if he had the balls early on to just say that he liked her none of htis crap would be going on.

ForzaItalia

03-15-2007, 09:31 PM

I agree. As I just said in another post:

I thought the episode had good writing, good directing and good acting, but it’s not telling the story of how Clark becomes Superman. In fact, it’s doing the opposite - it’s portraying Clark as someone so different than Superman…. I understand young Clark was a certain way when he was a kid in season 1. But by season 6, we should see him get closer to becoming Superman….. Stop crying! Get tough, Clark!

The Great Ymmij

03-15-2007, 09:48 PM

LuthorKent90

03-15-2007, 09:50 PM

12 years in the FOS will change that. ;)

puppiesnkittens

03-15-2007, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by The Great Ymmij
I completely agree with you. Clark shouldn't be considered weak just cuz he's heartbroken. He's just showing real emotions that anybody would show in that kind of situation. Yeah, he will become superman, but remember, superman is still a person and has feelings too.

He has feelings, and it must suck for him. I think the problem for most people, at least for me who has loved Superman for my whole life, is that his obsession with Lana is keeping him from being who he should be.

No, he is not Superman yet, but he is not getting any closer to it whining about the same pathetic, doomed relationship for 6 years. He has not, in any way, begun to resemble the noble hero he is named after. This Clark would do anything to be human, seems like he hates his heritage most of the time. He, like GA said, waits for things to happen. When he is supposed to be opposite of that. The real Clark Kent/Superman started the Justice League, he IS the leader. He is self-sacrificing. His own happiness or unhappiness is always second to him behind his duty. He doesn't sit and mope, he is proactive.

Pain is part of growth, but on this show there is pain and NO growth. Clark is what 19 or 20 now? It is wayyyyyyy past time for him to accept who he is and forget what is not meant to be.

miyagi0486

03-15-2007, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
Honestly..would it kill people to just watch the entire series before wondering how this version of Clark Kent becomes Superman?!

He saves lives of many many many people he never meets without wanting anything in return from them. He tries to mentor misguided youth at any given chance, offers his home to strangers (3 who weren't particularly trustworthy!) , hates the idea of hiding who he is from the public eye (iconic "no masks" standard), he's a decent quality american citizen!

Who gives a flying crap if he's bit$%in over a cute girl for 6 years?! I don't! I mean isn't it kool enough that we know he doesn't end up with her? Who cares that he's not a super intelligent guy in this version...leave smarts for the superheroes who aren't invulnerable! I mean does he have to have a super brain too?! I tend not to think so...but whatever...I'm done :D

Thank you so much for this post. These are my sentiments exactly. I am a little aggravated that no one seems to be giving this Clark Kent a chance all of a sudden. Let's give it a little more time and see what happens. Remember, he still has a few more years to go before he becomes Superman, and doesn't anyone remember Superman's nerdy and, dare I say it, slightly wussy alter-ego, the mild-mannered reporter Clark Kent. It seems like everyone is trying to make this version of Clark into Superman when all he is at this point is good ole Clark Kent.

cmm

03-15-2007, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by miyagi0486
Thank you so much for this post. These are my sentiments exactly. I am a little aggravated that no one seems to be giving this Clark Kent a chance all of a sudden. Let's give it a little more time and see what happens. Remember, he still has a few more years to go before he becomes Superman, and doesn't anyone remember Superman's nerdy and, dare I say it, slightly wussy alter-ego, the mild-mannered reporter Clark Kent. It seems like everyone is trying to make this version of Clark into Superman when all he is at this point is good ole Clark Kent.

I see what your saying but I disagree, after 6 seasons he should be at least half way or 3/4 of the way to becoming superman. This episode played like nothing in the earlier episodes of season 6 ever happened. Furthermore, clark kent becomes a reporter right? So then why hasn't he made any strives towards that? I agree with others here his journey is just too slow.

Jetta

03-15-2007, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
IMO, he's nowhere near as bad as Lex. At least superman is supposed to have a heart. Lex is supposed to be a world dominating badie. he actually uttered the words "What if she doesn't show? I honestly don't know what my life is without her." LEX FRICKIN LUTHOR!!!!

People need to realize there is one and only one male Luthor, and his name sure as hell isn't Lex.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-15-2007, 10:58 PM

He won't. Seriously.

binskipy2u

03-15-2007, 11:05 PM

in the end of the series, jor-el is going to give clark the ultimate gift.. make him forget everyone he hurt or that has been hurt by him, and make everyone forget clark, except his mother... and after that(and after his "training") we'll see clark fly away from the FOS, with the red cape flapping in the wind.. the screen will darken, and itll say "the saga continues".

****
<snip> this is why lex will not know of superman, and superman will not know of lex, and why lois when metting clark for the "first" time at the DP, and working with him, will not have known him yet..

thats my .02, now i'm broke

Piiike

03-15-2007, 11:17 PM

boogiebear

03-15-2007, 11:17 PM

I have lost a lot of respect for Clark the way he was portrayed tonight. I have read many times on this board, what could he have done about the wedding but just watch. He could have done alot.

He has the woman he is totally in love with, tell him that she will meet him at 5pm at his loft no matter what. She is not going to marry Lex. She kisses him with all her heart.
She does not show up at 5pm, and when he does find her, she is getting married to Lex after promising she would not.
List of things he could have done.

1.) Having super speed, he could have rushed into the church, grab Lana, speed her out, without anyone seeing them. Obviously something was wrong with Lana or something bad had happened.
2.) After the wedding when he was talking to the crying and very upset Lana, he could have grabbed her, sped her up to the Fortress of Solitude and have a private conversation with her, where they could actually have talked.
3.) He could have used his heat vision to set off the fire alarm in the church to give him time to borrow Lana.
4.)He could have sped Chloe out of the wedding and asked if she knew anything.
5.) He could have borrowed a friendly trained bear from a circus, and let it go in the church, causing a huge distraction, taking off with Lana
The point is, he is blessed with many different gifts, he was only limited by his own imagination, and what he really wanted with his life. If this man could not save the woman he loves, and now knows is in love with him, and she is so important to him, how is he ever gonna find the true hero within himself? I wonder if this Clark has a true hero inside at all.

kryptonite_123

03-15-2007, 11:59 PM

when he stops being stupid and gets over lana, man does he stretch out some scenes, he can be so boring sometimes

paolinki25

03-16-2007, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
IMO, he's nowhere near as bad as Lex. At least superman is supposed to have a heart. Lex is supposed to be a world dominating badie. he actually uttered the words "What if she doesn't show? I honestly don't know what my life is without her." LEX FRICKIN LUTHOR!!!!

It was painful. It was just painful. All I wished while watching that scene was Alexander (his other half in "Onyx") to come out again and kick his ass.

j-kent

03-16-2007, 03:10 AM

omg. give him a break.

this is Smallville. Not Superman.

What were watching here is Clark young and still learning through life.

i really think everyone should just stop watching this show if all they do is complain

we need to talk about the content of the show rather than stuff we think should have happened the way we want it to!

HnK

03-16-2007, 03:12 AM

No one has ever stated that he is superman, he is Clark kent. And the Clark kent in the mythos are just a puppy loser as this one. Superman on the other hand, he's cool.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-16-2007, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by j-kent
What were watching here is Clark young and still learning through life.

I disagree.
He is NOT learning anything!!!
He refuses to learn.

Reign

03-16-2007, 03:16 AM

I used to have the same problems... why is this not the iconic Superman that we know. Since Jonathan's death, I think Clark has slowly matured a bit. However, not yet Superman - I know.

Remember that this is a revamp of the story. Action Comics #1 was introduced in 1938. Back then, people were mostly married with kids by their early 20s. "Men" grew up faster. Look around in this day and age. Men, including myself, are still finding themselves throughout their 20s, 30s, even 40s. To create a Clark Kent that is growing up and developing according to today's youth is a believable characterization. This is classic WB/CW teen drama, of course, but media also reflects society... and society's youth is post-MTV now. By the shows standards, Clark is younger than I am but he is still more mature than most of the people I know his age. Bravo to him.

SpeedDemon77

03-16-2007, 03:26 AM

WTH is up with everyone saying that Clark should be on his way to becoming Superman already...judging how close he should be to being the superhero he becomes someday?

Superman in the making is NOT anywhere near being the actual iconic figure, nor should he be. This series ends when Clark leaves Smallville and decides to embrace his destiny and LEARN to become the man who can save humanity. After the timeline for this series ends, it's several YEARS before he re-emerges into the world as Superman.

It's only been reiterated a million times for the entire six years since the show started. Why is it still so hard to grasp? Is it just plain ole denial or what?

Reign

03-16-2007, 03:54 AM

Read my post before yours and you'll see that I'm not in disagreement with you. However, I can understand where people are coming from... Superman is, as you said, an iconic figure. To us, Superman represents a solid and stable notion of absolute truth and justice... for Superman to be a product of trial and error, mistake and emotion, truth and justice does not seem so absolute... it seems more subjective. In some ways, we don't want a Superman with a troubled history. He seems too human, too fallible.

SpeedDemon77

03-16-2007, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Reign
In some ways, we don't want a Superman with a troubled history. He seems too human, too fallible.

But that is the point of this series. It shows a past in which the guy who someday becomes Superman learns through his emotional struggles what it is to be human...to experience being and feeling vulnerable. If he didn't he would have nothing to compare or weigh those human emotions with once he fully embraces his Kryptonian heritage, the capabilities and responsibities that come with it and decides to embark on that journey to be the iconic figure everyone is most familiar with. That's a large part of Clark Kent's struggle throughout his life, but it has to be more prominent in his early years....when he was raised by human parents and grew up in a totally human society.

When you refer to "we" in saying "we don't want a Superman with a troubled history", I don't know if you're taking the liberty of speaking for the majority of the posters on this site, the show's viewers in general, yourself or even for yourself in reality. You could be speaking for what you believe of Superman fans as a whole. I wasn't really clear on that. But personally I find his history more interesting than the same rehashing of Lois/Clark stories that have been told about Clark Kent once he becomes Superman. IMO it was done best onscreen by Chris Reeve. That was the most captivating I've ever found Superman, and I don't think that part of his life can be done any better. No disrespect to Brandon Routh, of course, because he seems like a genuine guy and I found the first Singer movie entertaining, but it's simply another twist on the same iconic superhero story at a period in his life that has already been told time and time again. I just don't feel an unshakable need to see it re-played yet again on a weekly television series.

Reign

03-16-2007, 04:20 AM

I agree with you, but I think some people think that the character could have been handled differently and better in some regards. I think the writers of this show walk a very fine line on going too far in their interpretation of his human development. The comic books stories do a much much better job revealing certain aspects of Superman's earlier years.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-16-2007, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by Reign
I agree with you, but I think some people think that the character could have been handled differently and better in some regards. I think the writers of this show walk a very fine line on going too far in their interpretation of his human development.
What? Development? Did I miss something???
After 6 years I see no development...

Reign

03-16-2007, 04:27 AM

for the sake of argument :lol:

Detorio

03-16-2007, 04:29 AM

SpeedDemon77

03-16-2007, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
What? Development? Did I miss something???
After 6 years I see no development...

And you won't until he's allowed to experience more lessons in his young life. Wanting a normal "human" relationship with the woman he loves is obviously a significant one in this series. That's what the pilot began with and that's how the series should end. IMO they need to be together romantically in some capacity without the obstacles of secrets and other people coming between them before Clark can make the decision that obtaining and maintaining that kind of romantic relationship at this point in his life is simply not possible and that he needs to embark on the journey that will lead him to being Superman.

InLove_with_Chloe

03-16-2007, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
And you won't until he's allowed to experience more lessons in his young life. Wanting a normal "human" relationship with the woman he loves is obviously one of them. IMO they need to be together romantically in some capacity without the obstacles of secrets and other people coming between them before Clark can make the decision that obtaining and maintaining that kind of romantic relationship at this point in his life is simply not possible and that he needs to embark on the journey that will lead him to being Superman.
I agree. I just don't think Lana is the right woman for that relationship, sorry...

SpeedDemon77

03-16-2007, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I agree. I just don't think Lana is the right woman for that relationship, sorry...

That's your shipper preference...and that's fine. Everyone has that right. No need to say sorry. I think Chloe's a cutie too. :p

ChlarkMe

03-16-2007, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Deana
It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Super Joke...and he's crying!

In Superman Returns Superman looked close to tears in a few scenes. It seemed to me liked they brought a few of the EMO charachteristics into SR and it really took away from the character. They even included a bit of voyeurism in SR.

Rhoda123

03-16-2007, 06:20 AM

We've all been in love... we've all been hurt.. we've all felt the loss of someone that we love.. he is an idiot. The way they had him react last night was not only pathetic but really makes me dislike Clark Kent. As for Lana, I still don't like her but I did come to respect her for FINALLY thinking of someone besides herself and being unselfish enough to marry Lex so Lionel wouldn't hurt Clark.

Kryptonian-Ronin

03-16-2007, 06:45 AM

Just wait till he gets his Superman-in-a-box kit from Wal-Mart, you'll see !

Honey45

03-16-2007, 07:01 AM

Just because Superman is almost physically invincible, doesn't mean he doesn't have a heart.

Why does it shock everyone that he cries?
Yes, he cries!!
WELL OH MY GOD THIS IS JUST A DISGRACE TO THE SUPERMAN STORY - HE CRIED AND HAS FEELINGS.

Please.

Peat Moss

03-16-2007, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
That's your shipper preference...and that's fine. Everyone has that right. No need to say sorry. I think Chloe's a cutie too. :p
Not just shipper preference. Having him end up with Lana would be a huge deviation from every other version of Superman--too big even for SV. That would be like giving him a new power or making him a radiation freak instead of an alien. It's just too big a change. Plus all the hints to him ending up with Lois. That's why I hate all this Lana stuff. They keep acting like she's his true love, but she really isn't. That's evident, not only from knowing his future with Lois, but just by seeing how much they betray each other. They aren't in love. TPTB, please stop trying to convince us that they are.

Professor Chaos

03-16-2007, 07:44 AM

Maybe Martha can throw him some more Black-K and Kal'El can knock some sense into him.

SpeedDemon77

03-16-2007, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Peat Moss
Not just shipper preference. Having him end up with Lana would be a huge deviation from every other version of Superman--too big even for SV. That would be like giving him a new power or making him a radiation freak instead of an alien. It's just too big a change. Plus all the hints to him ending up with Lois. That's why I hate all this Lana stuff. They keep acting like she's his true love, but she really isn't. That's evident, not only from knowing his future with Lois, but just by seeing how much they betray each other. They aren't in love. TPTB, please stop trying to convince us that they are.

Who said that he would "end up" with Lana? The fact that Superman's story hasn't ended yet in the comic world only verifies that no one knows WHO he "ends" up with. He's currently with Lois Lane in the comics and they're married. Smallville is supposed to be based on events years before he marries Lois. So yes, it could end with him still being in love with Lana.

Clark and Lana give every indication of being in love with each other. Who says a person is limited to only one true love in a lifetime? If you marry someone you're in love with and that person dies and you end up falling in love with and marrying someone else, who has the right to determine which love is the greatest, most true or which one is "THE one"?

And since when have Clark and Lana betrayed each other? What show are you watching exactly?

ClarksGal

03-16-2007, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
Clark and Lana give every indication of being in love with each other. Who says a person is limited to only one true love in a lifetime? If you marry someone you're in love with and that person dies and you end up falling in love with and marrying someone else, who has the right to determine which love is the greatest, most true or which one is "THE one"?

I think the way the show makes it seem like Clark and Lana are meant to be together is what makes a lot of people uncomfortable with Clana. I think that's understandable, too, because Superman's love story with ILL is legendary. And I can totally agree with that, because I was a comic fan before I started watching this show. I still have a personal need almost to see Clark have a greater depth of feeling for Lois that he does for Lana. I believe that there should be "The One" for Superman, and that ILL is it.

But I just tell myself that Clark is still a kid, and that it's OK for him to feel this deeply about someone, and that it won't necessarily take away from his relationship with Lois. Because Clark is still Clark...he's not Superman. He's not the person he will be one day, yet. And when he gets there, there will be a totally different kind of woman that will be perfect for him. And that will be lasting and real, because he will have found himself. All this wishy-washiness in this show is actually kind of normal for this age group. Chloe is the most mature of the group.

Mischael12

03-16-2007, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
Who said that he would "end up" with Lana? The fact that Superman's story hasn't ended yet in the comic world only verifies that no one knows WHO he "ends" up with. He's currently with Lois Lane in the comics and they're married. Smallville is supposed to be based on events years before he marries Lois. So yes, it could end with him still being in love with Lana.

Clark and Lana give every indication of being in love with each other. Who says a person is limited to only one true love in a lifetime? If you marry someone you're in love with and that person dies and you end up falling in love with and marrying someone else, who has the right to determine which love is the greatest, most true or which one is "THE one"?

And since when have Clark and Lana betrayed each other? What show are you watching exactly?

I don't see it as love as much as an unhealthy obsession.

nk_84

03-16-2007, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by prozodevr
Can someone please explain how this guy ever becomes superman after such drama that was unfolded tonight?...i mean with all the helpless puppy stare, cryin, wimping, proposing to a superpowered dog...then finally looking like a wimp and not to mention no fighting skills at all...with dumb aass brain...the superman that i know is completely the opposite of what i have seen especialyl tonight...i m so tatlly lost

Superman isn't a fearless drone. He feels like any other man, actually...MORE! His love and compassion for others is what drives him to save lives and put his emotions aside to become iconic, SUPERMAN! The name 'SUPERMAN' doesn't mean 'fearless'. His powers and strengths would be nothing if he didn't have the emotion to use them for good. You see him flying, saving lives, he looks like he is there to protect and nothing more, but Clark Kent as we all know feels just like any other man, especially when we see Clark for Clark and not him in a suit flying around.

Tom Welling CK in SV is showing his emotions, that to me...is Superman.

NK.

Naomi

03-16-2007, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Deana
It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Super Joke...and he's crying!

:lol:

SVSpector

03-16-2007, 09:57 AM

I think he will be portrayed similarly to the party kid in high school whom we've all grown up with (you know who you are) that you see at your 10 year reunion who has now "got it all together" and is a huge success at whatever they are doing.

Once Clark learns his destiny...he will get it together.

Mischael12

03-16-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by nk_84
Superman isn't a fearless drone. He feels like any other man, actually...MORE! His love and compassion for others is what drives him to save lives and put his emotions aside to become iconic, SUPERMAN! The name 'SUPERMAN' doesn't mean 'fearless'. His powers and strengths would be nothing if he didn't have the emotion to use them for good. You see him flying, saving lives, he looks like he is there to protect and nothing more, but Clark Kent as we all know feels just like any other man, especially when we see Clark for Clark and not him in a suit flying around.

Tom Welling CK in SV is showing his emotions, that to me...is Superman.

NK.

obsession, if he truly loved her he would have told her his secret and if she didn't want to be with him he would accept that.

mobiusklein

03-16-2007, 10:04 AM

Acting like a homewrecking skank is showing emotions? A mature man would leave her the hell alone.

Kreukie

03-16-2007, 10:11 AM

Why do people always blame Clark's feelings for Lana as the reason it's holding him back from being Superman?

Every Superman I've known has always loved.

Superman on Lois&Clark spent half his time saving Lois and floating around Lois.

Superman in the Superman movies same thing.

Superman in the comics same thing.

So are you guys going to tell me Lois holds Superman from being Superman?

I don't think so, he's still saving people.

Clark still young and he has a lot of growing up to do, but to aimlessly blame it on his feelings on Lana is almost a joke because this season Clark was still having an issue excepting who it was without Lana being anywhere near him.

Remember the Green Arrow Arc... Oliver had to push and push Clark to do anything.

Mr. Wrong

03-16-2007, 10:11 AM

TW portrays CK better than anyone I've seen yet. He could do as well as Superman too but TPTB have dropped the ball and kicked it down a deep hole.IMO

Bosrudorfer

03-16-2007, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Deana
It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Super Joke...and he's crying!

I fully agree.

Smallville's Clark is a wimp. Little cry baby.

Muse25

03-16-2007, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
I fully agree.

Smallville's Clark is a wimp. Little cry baby.

He really is! Clark is a sniveling little cry baby.

Ultimately he should have told Lana the secret and give her the chance to accept him or not. I am really ashamed of him.

Also I wanted to add that's not about him loving Lana (humans and aliens) tend to want to love and be loved. That's fine but what I see is a man completely obssessed with a person. He's not in love with Lana he's obssessed with her.

Kryptonian-Ronin

03-16-2007, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Muse25
He really is! Clark is a sniveling little cry baby.

Ultimately he should have told Lana the secret and give her the chance to accept him or not. I am really ashamed of him.

Why?
He was right all along.
Her knowing the truth puts her in danger.
It has in the past and did now.

Mischael12

03-16-2007, 12:24 PM

I dont' have a problem with his emotions for her, that is natural, she is attractive, and he has had a crush on her for a long time.

But the thing is he gave up on her, he refused to share with her his secret, he had his reasons, and the reason is still there.

What he is doing is selfish, he doesn't want her to be with Lex, but at the same time he can't really be with her either. He wants her to be lonely, in part just how Chloe is in his back pocket, he wants lana there too.

The satisfaction that he probably gets is knowing that even though he doesn't have her now whenever he knows she would still be there for him.

Lana isn't any better either, it is obvious that her relationship with Lex is nothing more but some pining moment over clark, and his "SECRETS AND LIES" which I would point that he has never really lied to her, except when he said he didn't love her the other times he just stood there and looked stupid.

She should be able to seperate herself from having a relationship. Perhaps she needs to evaluate her life before just going from person to person.

She didn't have a boyfriend or potential one for only one season and that was season 2 and technically she and Whitney were still together.

In the end they both need to move on its called Unrequited love, and they need to learn that life isn't no F'in fairytale that comes with a happy ending.

Sometimes the Damsel in Distress does end up being eaten by the dragon.

Muse25

03-16-2007, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Why?
He was right all along.
Her knowing the truth puts her in danger.
It has in the past and did now.

Knowing Clark's secret put severel people in danger. Lana doesn't need to be coddled. Plus she's the one who's insisting on knowing (whether she has a right to know or not). Plus Lana's in danger just by existing.

Mischael12

03-16-2007, 12:26 PM

technically it isn't called unrequited love, but its the closest i could find to a good example....

paolinki25

03-16-2007, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by SVSpector
I think he will be portrayed similarly to the party kid in high school whom we've all grown up with (you know who you are) that you see at your 10 year reunion who has now "got it all together" and is a huge success at whatever they are doing.

Once Clark learns his destiny...he will get it together.

I can live with that. In fact, I'd love if the final episode of SV goes 5 or 10 years into the future, where Clark is a grown up, mature man and has completely left SV and Lana behind.

thehenry89

03-16-2007, 12:27 PM

tecnichally this is called obssesion, and if obssession and love are the same thing then i've been getting the wrong message from watching "Fatal Attaction".

Mischael12

03-16-2007, 12:31 PM

Yeah that is a better word, but i do believe at a point they did love each other.

All about Clark

03-16-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by nk_84
Superman isn't a fearless drone. He feels like any other man, actually...MORE! His love and compassion for others is what drives him to save lives and put his emotions aside to become iconic, SUPERMAN! The name 'SUPERMAN' doesn't mean 'fearless'. His powers and strengths would be nothing if he didn't have the emotion to use them for good. You see him flying, saving lives, he looks like he is there to protect and nothing more, but Clark Kent as we all know feels just like any other man, especially when we see Clark for Clark and not him in a suit flying around.

Tom Welling CK in SV is showing his emotions, that to me...is Superman.NK.

Very good post. And I was happy with what his mom told too. One to quit hiding his feelings and to act on them. He did both and got burned, but that doesn't make him in less a superhero.

I_am_LEX

03-16-2007, 06:17 PM

Lets slow down a minute... he is Clark Kent, not Superman. As Jor-El told him in the fortress "you let human learned emotions guide you - that is your weakness" or something to that affect and it's never been more true than now. He has seen the bigger picture but he still doesnt quite see where he fits in the grand scheme of things. Once he finally goes to Jor-El, he will learn the things he needs to know to be Superman.

By the way, who says Superman doesnt get sad or cry? If Lois died, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be the 'sterotyped' man of steel. Showing emotion is part of what shows his humanity even if he isnt one of them. I'm confident that some things are going to happen that will change his perspective not only about who he is, but who he needs to be. It will work out, don't worry.... Chloe & Jor-El to the rescue!!!

SpeedDemon77

03-16-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Acting like a homewrecking skank is showing emotions? A mature man would leave her the hell alone.

Homewrecking? Exactly WTH is this "home" you speak of? A relationship that was initially spun by a psychopath who first employed some hypnotizing freak to break up a young couple, swooped in like a vulture to manipulate the devastated female party, presented her with a sexual ultimatum so that he could successfully engineer a "pregnancy" to make her feel more obligated to him, lies and pays off people to present a totally fabricated projection of the "good" man he is to her, gloated to his former friend that he'd "won" the girl as a prize and then killed the doctor who suddenly refused to go along with his plan to continue the deception proving he will stop at nothing in order to keep her.

Oh yeah, ladies....if you meet a man like this JUMP at the chance to marry and hold onto him. Clark's such an immature homewrecking a$$ for trying to get the girl he loves away from a righteous guy like Lex Luthor and make her leave him at the altar. :lol: If my wife had ever been on the verge of marrying a guy like that before we actually wed, there's no reason at all why I should have tried to get her the hell away from him, huh? She would have been perfectly safe and happy for the rest of her life....and loving her the way I do, I should have been mature enough to be content with THAT!

Originally posted by paolinki25
I can live with that. In fact, I'd love if the final episode of SV goes 5 or 10 years into the future, where Clark is a grown up, mature man and has completely left SV and Lana behind.

If you watched Superman Returns, which I'm assuming you have by your icon, then you've already seen it. Why see the same story yet again for the fiftieth time? Talk about redundance.

last man of krypton

03-16-2007, 07:16 PM

I don't understand the big deal about this pre-Superman crying; the Superman of the comics today (and Superman Returns) cries as well. And as for the Shelby proposal, Superman does goofy things like that as well from time to time.

Originally posted by boogiebear
List of things he could have done.

1.) Having super speed, he could have rushed into the church, grab Lana, speed her out, without anyone seeing them. Obviously something was wrong with Lana or something bad had happened.
2.) After the wedding when he was talking to the crying and very upset Lana, he could have grabbed her, sped her up to the Fortress of Solitude and have a private conversation with her, where they could actually have talked.
3.) He could have used his heat vision to set off the fire alarm in the church to give him time to borrow Lana.
4.)He could have sped Chloe out of the wedding and asked if she knew anything.
5.) He could have borrowed a friendly trained bear from a circus, and let it go in the church, causing a huge distraction, taking off with Lana

1) Because kidnapping Lana worked so well in "Crimson"?
2) See above.
3) Great, put everyone in a panic. If Lana's at the altar, she made her decision. From his perspective, Lana could've been trying to keep Clark away from the wedding to avoid another "Crimson" scene.
4) Out of about 300 people in the church, I'd bet a few might've been looking at Chloe as she vanishes into thin air.
5) Uh huh...

ManOfSteel

03-16-2007, 07:18 PM

Many of you fail to realize that Clark, although he is the future Superman, is a person. To ask him to be stone cold and heartless is to make him just as evil as Lex. Superman needs to be compassionate to invoke hope into the lives of humans. Clark was awesome in the episode because he showed how human he really can be.

Theshadow129x

03-16-2007, 07:20 PM

i have to honestly say tha i agree with the original poster. i dont see how this clark kent becomes superman; everything he does to save people is like the problem comes to him he doesnt go to the problems and trying to fix them. and majority of the time he saves people that he interacts with on a daily basis not saving people he doenst know at all. it makes me angry to think this guy is superman. this goes to show u that the writers dont know anything about the icon and legend.

Baka-Chan

03-16-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by ManOfSteel
Many of you fail to realize that Clark, although he is the future Superman, is a person. To ask him to be stone cold and heartless is to make him just as evil as Lex. Superman needs to be compassionate to invoke hope into the lives of humans. Clark was awesome in the episode because he showed how human he really can be.
Thats it.

Even if the Plot is destroyed,
Clark Kent hasn't even begun to become Superman. Superman didn't edged of the Egg, he envoled to the Person he his.

The Person TW C.K. will become.
The whole Story says us, Clark and Lana are still being trustworthy Friends, nothing more...

Just because Lana didnt appeared on LnC doesn't mean she doesnt exist.
And just b/c LnC shows us some pitty stuff, doesnt mean they r all real.

Mischael12

03-16-2007, 11:16 PM

How many times in the brief moments they have shown the life of Clark Kent have you seen such a whining moping individual?

If they had been together and the Lana had up and left him for lex--then i could understand, but HE REFUSED HER!

What did he think, that whenever he wanted she would just hop back into his arms?

vikingjedi

03-17-2007, 01:14 AM

IMO this is whats going on

- Clark wanted to have a normal life with Lana as his wife but found out it couldn't happen because he thought if she knew his secret it would put her in danger

- As a result he broke up with her and lied saying that he didn't love her anymore

- That drove her right into Lex's arms. He wanted what Clark had so he said everything he thought Lana wanted to hear and used Clark's secret to manipulate her

- Clark saw the result of what he did and realized that he couldn't let Lana end up with Lex. So he has been battling it out with Lex over Lana. Problem was he was at a disadvantage because he couldn't reveal his secret

- Finally when Clark was forced between letting Lana marry Lex without knowing his secret OR confronting Lana and telling her the truth, he made the right decision and tried to save her from making the biggest mistake of her life

- Lionel has interfered saying he will kill Clark if Lana doesn't marry Lex and thats what's keeping them apart now. So Lana is trying to save Clark like Clark saved her all of these years

- Eventually this whole thing is going to come to a close with Clark finding out what Lionel said and thats where we'll have the showdown to free Lana and save her from Lex

- Then and only then will Clark move on to become Superman. Im thinking Clark and Lana will realize that their destiny is to be best friends because Clark was meant to do something great

By his own free will Clark will choose to save the world now that he has saved Lana

Baka-Chan

03-17-2007, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Mischael12
How many times in the brief moments they have shown the life of Clark Kent have you seen such a whining moping individual?

If they had been together and the Lana had up and left him for lex--then i could understand, but HE REFUSED HER!

What did he think, that whenever he wanted she would just hop back into his arms?
How often was CK from LnC back in Smallville and talked with Jonathan and Martha Kent about his Feelings, his Problems etc.pp.

Think about it Dude ;P
If it hasn't been a visit (due $ for Sets) it was a phonecall... That does not convince me.

@Abou Lana
-> Read the next Post

Originally posted by vikingjedi
IMO this is whats going on

- Clark wanted to have a normal life with Lana as his wife but found out it couldn't happen because he thought if she knew his secret it would put her in danger

- As a result he broke up with her and lied saying that he didn't love her anymore

- That drove her right into Lex's arms. He wanted what Clark had so he said everything he thought Lana wanted to hear and used Clark's secret to manipulate her

- Clark saw the result of what he did and realized that he couldn't let Lana end up with Lex. So he has been battling it out with Lex over Lana. Problem was he was at a disadvantage because he couldn't reveal his secret

- Finally when Clark was forced between letting Lana marry Lex without knowing his secret OR confronting Lana and telling her the truth, he made the right decision and tried to save her from making the biggest mistake of her life

- Lionel has interfered saying he will kill Clark if Lana doesn't marry Lex and thats what's keeping them apart now. So Lana is trying to save Clark like Clark saved her all of these years

- Eventually this whole thing is going to come to a close with Clark finding out what Lionel said and thats where we'll have the showdown to free Lana and save her from Lex

- Then and only then will Clark move on to become Superman. Im thinking Clark and Lana will realize that their destiny is to be best friends because Clark was meant to do something great

By his own free will Clark will choose to save the world now that he has saved Lana
If we agree on "Save the World from people like (Future-)Lex Luther.
I Buy it :D

Besides the Clana Part
Lana:"OH no.. you cant have me Clark your Destiny is far beyong me."
Clark:" Jo'Rel told you this didnt he? -.- Damn you old man"

Timester

03-17-2007, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by ManOfSteel
Many of you fail to realize that Clark, although he is the future Superman, is a person. To ask him to be stone cold and heartless is to make him just as evil as Lex. Superman needs to be compassionate to invoke hope into the lives of humans. Clark was awesome in the episode because he showed how human he really can be.

Again the "human" excuse (actually, the most insulting excuse of all). Then let me ask something to all that use the "human" excuse, who you would the same thing that Clark did, that is, trying to stop the marriage of an ex-girlfriend, that choosed to be with the other man and is even pregnant of him, with this backstabbing his own morals and ethics?

Originally posted by Baka-Chan
How often was CK from LnC back in Smallville and talked with Jonathan and Martha Kent about his Feelings, his Problems etc.pp.

Think about it Dude ;P
If it hasn't been a visit (due $ for Sets) it was a phonecall... That does not convince me.

Uh? :confused:

RedDwarfette

03-17-2007, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by ManOfSteel: Many of you fail to realize that Clark, although he is the future Superman, is a person. To ask him to be stone cold and heartless is to make him just as evil as Lex. Is it too much to ask that his character just be a decent person then? Sorry, but planning to ask a woman to marry you on the day they are marrying the father of their child is just wrong on so many levels. But wait, Clark is in love with Lana, doesn't that make a difference? NO. It doesn't. As far as he is aware Lana is pregnant by Lex, has stated on numerous occasions that she loves, wants to be with Lex and has agreed to marry Lex. Lana might change her mind, that's her prerogative but jeese, when is Clark going to have a little dignity, decency or class and step aside? I'm sorry, but I can't respect this type of behaviour in anyone, let alone Clark who it has been repeatedly shown grew up in a household that valued the stability of family, doing the right thing and selfless actions. Martha may have been replaced by a Stepford Wife to support this, but the audience wasn't.

richard9820

03-17-2007, 05:32 AM

they want superman to cold hearted, this is how he becomes ss

Peat Moss

03-17-2007, 07:46 AM

Superman has emotions--but he loves all mankind, which is why he saves all mankind. Clark seems to love one person at the expense of everyone else.
And remember, from his point of view, Lana wants to marry Lex. No matter how much he loves her, there's nothing he can do about that, no matter how evil Lex is.

Baka-Chan

03-17-2007, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Timester
Uh? :confused:

In LnC CK talked nearly every Episode to his Mom and / or his Father.

Sometimes it was their House in Smallvile
( and if it wasn't within the Budget) it was a splitscreened phonecall.

Besides, Superman didn't came out of nowhere...
His believe's and 'path' have to come fromsomewhere.

I'm not saying SV has showing us the best result in getting their... but it is a beginning to scratch deep under the surface.

ManOfSteel

03-18-2007, 12:37 PM

A lot of you seem to be focused on the ethical implications of Clark considering to propose marriage to Lana on Lana's weddings day with Lex. My question to you is: what is the right thing do? Some of you seem to think that the supreme evil is Clark's decision to question Lana's intentions but isn't Lex the supreme evil? Which is worse: displaying your love and true intentions to the person you love above all else on that person's wedding day or letting the love of your life marry the person who will one day be the most evil villain the world has ever seen besides Hitler? So please don't say that there is a clear moral right and wrong because, clearly, there isn't.
With regards to my last post, I think many of you need to see all of the episodes before basing Clark on this one moment in time. He is imperfect, which is why he isn't superman yet, and this one moment of his life does not show all the dimensions that make Clark Kent who he will become. Yes, it is true that he doesn't hunt down evil but instead waits for it to come to him. However, the day will come when he does realize what he has to do for the world instead of for his friends and when that day comes he will be able to carry the burden and be Superman. These writers do know what they are doing!

wolverine316

03-18-2007, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Timester
Again the "human" excuse (actually, the most insulting excuse of all). Then let me ask something to all that use the "human" excuse, who you would the same thing that Clark did, that is, trying to stop the marriage of an ex-girlfriend, that choosed to be with the other man and is even pregnant of him, with this backstabbing his own morals and ethics?

How is it backstabbing if Lana at the time decided not to go through with the wedding?

escout

03-18-2007, 03:51 PM

It will be very difficult!!! I think what eventually happens is that he is transported to the Land of OZ, sees the great Wizard of Oz and asks for a BRAIN, A HEART, and COURAGE. The wizard give him those things and then he becomes Superman.

They have a long way to go with CHARACTER developement.

samanta

03-18-2007, 04:04 PM

How BDA will become Superman. I think it will be miracle. I think it would be miracle if the writers actually know that Clark will become Superman.

RPMSDB

03-18-2007, 04:33 PM

I'm pretty sure the writers know. I'm just not sure Al/Miles know.
If they do, they DON"T care.

SpeedDemon77

03-19-2007, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by RedDwarfette
Is it too much to ask that his character just be a decent person then? Sorry, but planning to ask a woman to marry you on the day they are marrying the father of their child is just wrong on so many levels. But wait, Clark is in love with Lana, doesn't that make a difference? NO. It doesn't. As far as he is aware Lana is pregnant by Lex, has stated on numerous occasions that she loves, wants to be with Lex and has agreed to marry Lex. Lana might change her mind, that's her prerogative but jeese, when is Clark going to have a little dignity, decency or class and step aside? I'm sorry, but I can't respect this type of behaviour in anyone, let alone Clark who it has been repeatedly shown grew up in a household that valued the stability of family, doing the right thing and selfless actions. Martha may have been replaced by a Stepford Wife to support this, but the audience wasn't.

Speak for yourself or the other viewers you know for a fact feel like you....because personally, I don't. If it's immoral to accept the woman I love regardless of who she has become involved with and pregnant by, especially when I know that he's a psycho lunatic who has hunted down and tortured friends of mine....and she has expressed an almost desperate need to suddenly get away from him even ON her wedding day, then by all means, consider me immoral. And I would gladly be so.

Mr. Wrong

03-19-2007, 09:56 AM

Although no one should be expected to be deterred from loving someone, I can't condone CK's treatment of Lana. e.g. Hypnotic! You don't continually push someone away using lies and deception without reaping what you sew. That is a moral imperative. Sure CK has saved Lana's life countless times but he has done as much for Lex as well. You can't tell someone that you love them and only them one moment and then push them into the arms of another without consequence. IMO

RedKRules

03-19-2007, 10:09 AM

He will become Superman, after he let Lana go for SURE !!! ....which I think is going to happen eventually soon or later ....it is just a matter of time ........what ?? 6 years??? :lol: :rolleyes: :confused:

Dean_19

03-19-2007, 10:20 AM

Superman is just what the name says. He's human with the powers of a Kryptonian. Not literally of course, but in every sense apart from biologically. In the words of JK "a kryptonian raised by humans with strong values". The only thing kryptonian about Clark is his biology. He is physically invulnerable but emotionally and psychologically he IS human. Thats why Clark shows these feelings. That's why he makes some mistakes, becomes depressed, sad, infatuated, happy, excited, angry and falls in love. But also, thats why Superman is special, because he is emotionally vulnerable, he feels, thats what gives him his humanity, his compassion, his mercy. He's not simply an invulnerable drone killing bad guys. He represents the best values of being human, but with the powers that enable him to realise those values as good deeds which benefit the entire planet. These trials Clark finds himself facing in SV are what makes him Superman. End of.

Tomsgurl88

03-19-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by jarethmc
Where is it written that a man who has been dealt the cruel blows that Clark has been dealt and suffers a pain beyond endurance in the name of love is weak or emasculated. This is a true and heart breaking suffering both he and Lana are going through. It will ultimately make him stronger, but until then, please have some compassion for this young man trying to find his way in the world. He hurts and he suffers in the name of Love and we all know that the pain of love can be utterly devastating.
The suck it up, be a man mentality is just so not right. I see Clark hurting and I dont think wimp. My heart hurts for him. Again where is the compassion? His compassion will make him a Superman!!

THANK YOU!!!!! At least someone has some sense around here!!!! Do people expect Superman to be this unemotional drone who doesn't love!?? HELLO! Have you not seen the Superman movies??? One of the main basis is about his continuing love for Lois Lane. And like i said before, as far as Clark acting like a so called "whimp" Why is that? Because he is so in love with a woman and is hurt that she got married to someone else? What was he supposed to do? Shrug it off? How is Clark acting like a whimp when he just wants to be with the woman he loves? And like jarethmc pointed out, his compassion does help in him becoming superman because he has all the emotions all the rest of us humans have, so of course he is going to be HEARTBROKEN when he watches Lana get married to Lex.

BULLITT

03-19-2007, 01:20 PM

As in the Donnor film, and was alluded to in this series - after he completes his training (Fortress of Solitude, Jor-El...)

Dannyblue1

03-19-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by BULLITT
As in the Donnor film, and was alluded to in this series - after he completes his training (Fortress of Solitude, Jor-El...)

So, all that talk about seeing Clark's journey was nonsense? I've been watching this show for six years, but I needn't have bothered, because Clark's journey won't actually begin until after the show is over?

Timester

03-19-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by wolverine316
How is it backstabbing if Lana at the time decided not to go through with the wedding?

How is not backstabbing? Lana is pregnant of Lex.

Originally posted by Baka-Chan
In LnC CK talked nearly every Episode to his Mom and / or his Father.

Sometimes it was their House in Smallvile
( and if it wasn't within the Budget) it was a splitscreened phonecall.

Besides, Superman didn't came out of nowhere...
His believe's and 'path' have to come fromsomewhere.

I'm not saying SV has showing us the best result in getting their... but it is a beginning to scratch deep under the surface.

Still uh? :confused:

That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.