Character Assassinations

[Routh]

A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

[shansgrl]

I didn't watch the episode, but it sounds like you've hit the nail on the head.

[thehenry89]

i'm with you routh. next week isn't coming soon enough for my tastes.

[AngylWylde]

Don't forget a ball-less sniveling Lex who can't live without Lana and would give anything up for her.

Yep, character assasinations all around, I tend to agree.

[BeldarofRemulak]

I agree it was just horrible

[paolinki25]

I feel your pain, Routh

It was just painful to watch what they're doing to every single character on this show right now.

They have turned Lex future criminal mastermind Lex into a wuss who needs daddy's help to get a woman to marry him.

Clark? Don't even get me started. He goes around kissing pregnant, engaged woman, oh yeah, and he was going to propose AGAIN? It's just a joke.

Lana, the most inconsistent, self-centered character in the history of TV. She has been feeding us with how much she loves Lex and how much she wants to marry him, and she was going to leave him with a note? Lana, you don't deserve ANY of these men, and I honestly don't see what they see in you. If I were a guy, I would run as far away from you as I can.

[Nospam]

Agreed.

Apparently Martha and Chloe are huge Clana shippers with infinitesimally short memories. It's also apparent that TPTB were steering the SS. Smallville away from the Clana iceberg earlier this season only to suddenly order "all ahead full" and steer back into it. *shakes head*

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Routh
A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

:lol: Agreed. That's what I like about you...I never have to guess the way that you truly feel.

[Deana]

Clark and Martha were disappointments tonight. Shall they recover? Nope, but I'll still watch.

[SmallvilleMan]

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

She never did love him, that was the whole point of her giving these sick looks to Lex in the previous two episodes and her returning Clark's kiss in Crimson.


A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

A Clana? Huh? You mean Clark? If you do mean Clana, how dare they try to break up a loveless relationship for one with love:rolleyes:


A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

That was the point of Crimson and Labyrinth or Hydro.


A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

This, is what I like to call the twisted fatherly reason. He wants his son to be happy, because he deserves it.

[Nospam]

The thing that most sticks in my craw is the morally reprehensible behavior of Clark on Lana's wedding day; they've turned the Man of Steel into a homewrecker. Think about that for second.

[msleggie]

originally posted by Routh: A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters

I love what you said, it is so true! The characters are just pissing me off! The way the are acting and setting themselves up for failure is sickening!

[meggy]

Routh...you are now my king. :)

Please take your thread introduction, type it in a Mircrosoft Word document, and send it to TPTB to show them that their fans are not idiots. We follow story lines, and we know our characters....even if they dont. When our characters go OOC we know.

ohh dont forget to put in bold how much we despise when they do that.

you speak the honest truth

[Routh]

Oh, wait. I forgot the most important one.

A CLARK WHO'S TOUGHEST ORDEAL WAS "LETTING LANA GO"? IS THAT REALLY THE HARDEST THING YOU'VE EVER DONE, CLARK? WHAT ABOUT BURYING YOUR DEAD FATHER? KILLING YOUR MOTHER'S UNBORN CHILD? HOW 'BOUT THAT? WHAT'S THAT? LANA'S STILL MORE IMPORTANT? OKAY.

Sorry about the size and caps, but seriously, W. T. F.

[SmallvilleMan]

The thing that most sticks in my craw is the morally reprehensible behavior of Clark on Lana's wedding day; they've turned the Man of Steel into a homewrecker. Think about that for second.

What home did he wreck? Can't wreck the Lexana home, because there is none. Unless you call a loveless relationship a home.......

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
What home did he wreck? Can't wreck the Lexana home, because there is none. Unless you call a loveless relationship a home.......

lana does (or did) love lex she just "loves clark more" which is stupid. she decided to marry lex and until lionel threatened her she had every right to back off and go be with clark.

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by Nospam
The thing that most sticks in my craw is the morally reprehensible behavior of Clark on Lana's wedding day; they've turned the Man of Steel into a homewrecker. Think about that for second.

This is what bothers me the most. I could care less for Lana, because the truth is this is who she is. She puts herself first before anybody, and she's inconsistent as hell, but Clark? Seriously, how can people see the way Clark acted as a good thing?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Routh
Oh, wait. I forgot the most important one.

A CLARK WHO'S TOUGHEST ORDEAL WAS "LETTING LANA GO"? IS THAT REALLY THE HARDEST THING YOU'VE EVER DONE, CLARK? WHAT ABOUT BURYING YOUR DEAD FATHER? KILLING YOUR MOTHER'S UNBORN CHILD? HOW 'BOUT THAT? WHAT'S THAT? LANA'S STILL MORE IMPORTANT? OKAY.

Sorry about the size and caps, but seriously, W. T. F.

Routh...you are on fire here. I could care less about the caps...that is a tremendously valid point.

[MetroGirl06]

Couldnt agree more. Inconsistencies GALORE! Geez, the writers need to read some comics if they want to write for Smallville! If that isnt already a requirement then it should be!

[Uziele]

Originally posted by Nospam
The thing that most sticks in my craw is the morally reprehensible behavior of Clark on Lana's wedding day; they've turned the Man of Steel into a homewrecker. Think about that for second.

For the record in DC land Lana divorces Pete Ross because she's still in love with Clark, so it won't be the first time that Lana's home is wrecked because of the Man of Steel in mythology.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Even if he is his enemy, you just dont WAIT until the wedding day to do something. Its wrong

[Nospam]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
She never did love him, that was the whole point of her giving these sick looks to Lex in the previous two episodes and her returning Clark's kiss in Crimson.

BALDERDASH.

Routh has countered this assertion so many times that it is disingenuous to claim otherwise. Lana has professed her love for Lex on numerous occasions.


A Clana? Huh? You mean Clark? If you do mean Clana, how dare they try to break up a loveless relationship for one with love:rolleyes:

So, Clark the homewrecker then?

[jimmyolsenblues]

did he specifically kill jonathan/martha baby from the ship?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Uziele
For the record in DC land Lana divorces Pete Ross because she's still in love with Clark, so it won't be the first time that Lana's home is wrecked because of the Man of Steel in mythology.

Well, that was Lana's decision, not Clark's wasn't it?

[Deana]

Originally posted by Routh
Oh, wait. I forgot the most important one.

A CLARK WHO'S TOUGHEST ORDEAL WAS "LETTING LANA GO"? IS THAT REALLY THE HARDEST THING YOU'VE EVER DONE, CLARK? WHAT ABOUT BURYING YOUR DEAD FATHER? KILLING YOUR MOTHER'S UNBORN CHILD? HOW 'BOUT THAT? WHAT'S THAT? LANA'S STILL MORE IMPORTANT? OKAY.

Sorry about the size and caps, but seriously, W. T. F. True that! Wow, you're making my low opinion of Clark go lower.

This Clark is a joke. Really, I was laughing at pretend Clark Kent the whole episode.

[TheRowdy]

TPTB COMPLETELY BUTCHERED THIS EPISODE! I agree that all the characters (in some way) went down the toilet. I am supremely disappointed now the more I think about it.

Ugh...Clana....I feel sick.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
did he specifically kill jonathan/martha baby from the ship?

Well..he did specifically, but not intentionally, but he still had to live and deal with the concequences

[meggy]

Routh! again, you read my mind!...Clark could have easily said "Loosing Lana was a hard thing to do"..or something like that........but it is by no means THE HARDEST thing he has ever had to do...and whether it was Lana, Chloe or Lois, it would certainly not be the hardest thing.....

you know, these writers need to think about these superlatives in their lines

[paolinki25]

*applauds Routh's comments, caps and all** It is a disgrace for Clark's character. It just is.

[thehenry89]

what gets me is that they did all this because they thought it was "romantic" let see...is it romantic to get knocked up by a man you've stated plainly you're in love with and then plan a secret rendevous to run off with you ex-boyfriend. is it romantic for a man who's shown no emotional growth since he was 14 years old to PRETEND he knows what real love is, and attempt to save the hepless little woman from herself. i mean what kind of messege are they trying to send this audience: "...if you work real hard and eat your vegetables girls two guys will fight for you; even if you have NO redeeming charachteristics at all. just as long as you pretty."

[caradoc]

This may not be so out of character. Let's see.

A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

Chloe has always thought that Lex is bad for Lana. And one of the main themes of Smallville is sacrifice.

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

Lionel is now nicely positioned to use Lana and Lex against each other. He is now in full control.

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

For her, Lex has always been a surrogate for Clark.

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

He has always loved her. He decided to propose that day, once he knew she was coming back.

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

Clana? I'm not sure what you mean here. Lana made it clear that she did not want to marry Lex and was going to Clark until Lionel stepped in. Noone knows who the father is.

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

She wants what's best for him, doesn't she?

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

That's your choice, but these are the same characters behaving as they always have. At least as I see it.

[meggy]

you know, maybe i would have been happier with CK in this episode if he was trying to save Lana simply because he didnt want her to get involved with an evil man, so i could give him credit for trying to "save humanity" as TPTB would like us to believe....

but my GOD!....you attemp to break up the pending marriage so you could PROPOSE TOO...to A PREGNANT WOMAN OF YOU EX-FRIEND..ON THE WEDDING DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

why couldnt they just stop at trying to save Lana from an evil person...how could CK even THINK FOR A SECOND that it would be ok for him to propose too!??

damn...where is Pa Kent when you need him for some guidance

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by meggy


damn...where is Pa Kent when you need him for some guidance

spinning in his grave

[BeldarofRemulak]

i agree with Routh, I do not see it as they are acting normal. I do not think that Clark would want to propse to Lana right off the bat like that. Even thought the baby is mention with Lex, it seems that her actually being pregnant was ignored. nothing seem to be right

[paolinki25]

I'm sorry, but I see people trying to excuse Clark's or Lana's behavior under the "She didn't want to marry Lex" "Clark has always loved her"...First of, Lana agreed to marry Lex Luthor. Nobody pointed a gun to her head and said, "Hey, Lana. Say yes to the damn proposal!" She had time to think about it, she even went on and on about how much she loves him and all the cheese crap we've been getting since "Static", and now she's going to actually leave him with a note?

Clark...Yeah, who cares this unestable woman who just left the father of her child at the altar? It doesn't matter, because it's all very romantic and love is all the matters. Come on, it's a freaking joke!

[supermanfan04]

i agree with both Routh and SmallvilleMan. a loveless marriage is awful, and hydro and crimson were all about clark and lana's feelings for each other. but lionel caring about lex? what? and letting lana go before losing his father? but Routh i'm siding with SmallvilleMan on the homewrecker front. there really was no home to wreck. think about lana's disgusting looks when lex kisses her and their happyless thanksgiving dinner...not what i like to call an established home...

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by paolinki25
I'm sorry, but I see people trying to excuse Clark's or Lana's behavior under the "She didn't want to marry Lex" "Clark has always loved her"...First of, Lana agreed to marry Lex Luthor. Nobody pointed a gun to her head and said, "Hey, Lana. Say yes to the damn proposal!" She had time to think about it, she even went on and on about how much she loves him and all the cheese crap we've been getting since "Static", and now she's going to actually leave him with a note?

Clark...Yeah, who cares this unestable woman who just left the father of her child at the altar? It doesn't matter, because it's all very romantic and love is all the matters. Come on, it's a freaking joke!

I so agree with you

[Routh]

Huh.

Let me just break it down some more.

CHLOE SULLIVAN

Girl, I don't know what happened to you. You are supposed to be SANE. You are not supposed to ask Clark to "save" Lana, because this is Lana's choice. If Lana can't save herself, then it's her fault, because this is her decision. Lana has told you that she loves Lex, and yet you insist that Clark break them up because they are a "loveless" relationship? Who are you to decide that? Lana said she wanted to be with Lex, and yet you still believe what you want to believe and try to break them apart? I cannot understand your logic.

LIONEL LUTHOR

Magnificent bastard, what has happened to thee? For the first time in your life, you care about Lex's happiness? How is that flowing with your evil nature? Have you become so blinded that you think marrying Lana will actually be beneficial to Lex? You yourself said that Lana has turned him into a weak and desperate man. So, do you want him to be happy, desperate, or completely insane?

MARTHA KENT

I'm going to slap you. After being married to Jonathan Kent for YEARS, have you learned nothing of morals? Are you really going to sit there and tell Clark that it is okay to try to get the girl back, WHEN THE GIRL IS MARRYING SOMEONE THAT DAY, IS PREGNANT, AND HAS TOLD YOU OTHERWISE THAT SHE IS HAPPY WITH THE OTHER GUY? Martha Kent, your husband just turned in his grave. Multiple times.

LANA LANG

I have nothing to say to you. Except for the fact that you are a conniving skank. You specifically went against Clark's wishes that he DIDN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW HIS SECRET. But you, who only thinks about yourself, and only cares about making YOURSELF feel happy, invades his privacy, not to mention his trust, to find out his secret. Oh, and how CONVENIENT that you are given the opportunity to become a martyr, to save the hero, to give yourself up for NO REASON other than to make everyone think YOU ARE SELFLESS, when the truth is YOU ARE NOT.

CLARK KENT

GO TO HELL! (see previous posts)

SHELBY

I love you.

[thehenry89]

again i agree whole heartedly with you man. this was a travesty, and a mockery of all the progress made for the last six years (as minimul as it may have been).

[paolinki25]

I believe this episode was written with the sole purpose of bringing the Clana back. Forget if it doesn't make sense or makes the characters look like crap. All in the sake of Clana.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Routh I applaud you I really really do.

It hurts like hell to see the lengths TPTB would take with my favorite characters just to have Clana.

[myankskent]

Routh, you've been cracking me up all night long. Clearly, you've been saving your best material to use tonight.

[TheRowdy]

Originally posted by Routh
Huh.

Let me just break it down some more.

CHLOE SULLIVAN

Girl, I don't know what happened to you. You are supposed to be SANE. You are not supposed to ask Clark to "save" Lana, because this is Lana's choice. If Lana can't save herself, then it's her fault, because this is her decision. Lana has told you that she loves Lex, and yet you insist that Clark break them up because they are a "loveless" relationship? Who are you to decide that? Lana said she wanted to be with Lex, and yet you still believe what you want to believe and try to break them apart? I cannot understand your logic.

LIONEL LUTHOR

Magnificent bastard, what has happened to thee? For the first time in your life, you care about Lex's happiness? How is that flowing with your evil nature? Have you become so blinded that you think marrying Lana will actually be beneficial to Lex? You yourself said that Lana has turned him into a weak and desperate man. So, do you want him to be happy, desperate, or completely insane?

MARTHA KENT

I'm going to slap you. After being married to Jonathan Kent for YEARS, have you learned nothing of morals? Are you really going to sit there and tell Clark that it is okay to try to get the girl back, WHEN THE GIRL IS MARRYING SOMEONE THAT DAY, IS PREGNANT, AND HAS TOLD YOU OTHERWISE THAT SHE IS HAPPY WITH THE OTHER GUY? Martha Kent, your husband just turned in his grave. Multiple times.

LANA LANG

I have nothing to say to you. Except for the fact that you are a conniving skank. You specifically went against Clark's wishes that he DIDN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW HIS SECRET. But you, who only thinks about yourself, and only cares about making YOURSELF feel happy, invades his privacy, not to mention his trust, to find out his secret. Oh, and how CONVENIENT that you are given the opportunity to become a martyr, to save the hero, to give yourself up for NO REASON other than to make everyone think YOU ARE SELFLESS, when the truth is YOU ARE NOT.

CLARK KENT

GO TO HELL! (see previous posts)

SHELBY

I love you.

*Stands up & applaudes!*

[paolinki25]

Dude, Routh. You should go to DeKnight's journal and post all that. Seriously...

[meteor_phreak]

Routh, you're my new hero.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Dude, Routh. You should go to DeKnight's journal and post all that. Seriously...

Co-signs! You really should Routh.

[BeldarofRemulak]

I think he should go directly to Al. then proceed to B*tch slap (much lie Lionel) him.

[paolinki25]

You know, no offense to Brian and Kelly (the writers for this episode), but I get the feeling they love or are forced to write the angsty crap episodes. First it was "Hydro", then "Reckoning" and now this?

[Loranthius]

Originally posted by Routh
A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

If I wasn't a Clana fan I'd agree with everything you wrote.

[meggy]

ROUTH, I LOVE YOU!

WORD...AND AGAIN, WORD!

[SmallvilleMan]

Routh has countered this assertion so many times that it is disingenuous to claim otherwise. Lana has professed her love for Lex on numerous occasions.


Name all the times......Static, hydro, wat else? Please, if you think lana loved lex you havent been paying attention, IMO. Lana doesn't love lex and even if she does love him a litte bit, it isn't close to how she feels about Clark. As a side note, I've heard that assertion so many times and i've shoot it down so many times. What's one more?

And to the same poster, Clark isn't even close to a homeworker. Lana's the one who kissed him, Lana's the one who spent the beginning of her wedding day finding out Clark's secret. Please, it isn't even close.


lana does (or did) love lex she just "loves clark more" which is stupid. she decided to marry lex and until lionel threatened her she had every right to back off and go be with clark.

No she didn't, she wasn't going to marry Lex before Lionel got there. That's why she wrote the note.

[meggy]

and you know what is going to happen in the next few episodes?...

we have already been told that there really is no "baby" per se..so i'm sure that TPTB are going to use that as an excuse for Clark wanting to hook-up with a woman who is pregnant for another man (as far as we know at this point)

i'm sure they want us to think: "ohhh..she's not really preggers, so it's ok, for CK to come in now, take her from Lex, and proceed to begin another relationship...no baby....no foul. all he's doing is breaking up a bad marriage..not wooing a pregnant woman"

uhh right, sure...

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Name all the times......Static, hydro, wat else? Please, if you think lana loved lex you havent been paying attention, IMO. Lana doesn't love lex and even if she does love him a litte bit, it isn't close to how she feels about Clark. As a side note, I've heard that assertion so many times and i've shoot it down so many times. What's one more?

And to the same poster, Clark isn't even close to a homeworker. Lana's the one who kissed him, Lana's the one who spent the beginning of her wedding day finding out Clark's secret. Please, it isn't even close.



No she didn't, she wasn't going to marry Lex before Lionel got there. That's why she wrote the note.

Lana does love Lex on some level. She might love Clark more, but honestly why would she wait til the wedding day to stop the wedding?

Also, LANA, for all purposes, is pregnant, which seems to be ignored by every one excepth the doctor and Lex. Clark knew this and still he went ,on the wedding day again why couldnt this be done earlier I DONT KNOW, to her. He was going to convince her that she shouldnt marry lex and to marry him...even if she beat him to it he was still going to do it. Clark was acting like a home wrecker. you dont wait till the wedding day to do something like that.

[SmallvilleMan]

Also, LANA, for all purposes, is pregnant, which seems to be ignored by every one excepth the doctor and Lex. Clark knew this and still he went ,on the wedding day again why couldnt this be done earlier I DONT KNOW, to her. He was going to convince her that she shouldnt marry lex and to marry him...even if she beat him to it he was still going to do it. Clark was acting like a home wrecker. you dont wait till the wedding day to do something like that.

The writing made Clark wait, but obviously you can't say that, so i'll say this. It shouldn't matter if Lana is pregnant, she was still in love with Clark and for we all know, Clark knew that himself. Why shouldn't he go to her? She never showed any sign of not loving him and no, he wasn't going to convince her not to marry lex. He was going there to tell her the truth, his words: "I can't let you do this, until you know the truth". Chloe even told him to go and save Lana from a loveless relationship. Clark isn't a homewrecker and it's ridiculous to call him that, IMHO.


Lana does love Lex on some level. She might love Clark more, but honestly why would she wait til the wedding day to stop the wedding?

Why does she look like she's going to throw up, every time he touches her in the last two episodes?

[paolinki25]

I don't care if Lana doesn't love Lex. You DON'T mess with somebody else's feelings like that. You don't go screw with both men's head just because you are an insecure, -edited- person. You separate yourself from BOTH men, take some time to think things through and act like an adult for once!

[BeldarofRemulak]

How does that not make Clark a homewrecker?!?! I am not getting this. He went to tell a pregnant Clana the truth, on her wedding day, so she wouldnt marry the man who knocked her up. I am pretty sure that would be home wrecking.

She sure did look at Lex like was the devil when they where holding hands during the sonogram <---add sarcasm in tone. She might love Clark more, but she doent hate Lex. In static she really seem to show her feelings for the dude.

[SmallvilleMan]

I don't care if Lana doesn't love Lex. You DON'T mess with somebody else's feelings like that. You don't go screw with both men's head just because you are an insecure, bipolar person. You separate yourself from BOTH men, take some time to think things through and act like an adult for once!

What did Lana do? How did she screw with Clark? She was going to go see him and profess her love, etc......But I agree she played Lex to an extent, but he did deserve it.

[freefall]

Originally posted by paolinki25
You know, no offense to Brian and Kelly (the writers for this episode), but I get the feeling they love or are forced to write the angsty crap episodes. First it was "Hydro", then "Reckoning" and now this?

Since they've also written good episodes such as Phoenix, Hydro, Gone and Crimson and even Arrow which IMO one of the best episodes of this season which don't even have any shipper stuff (only a little Lois/Oliver), I have to go with the opinion that they're definitely being forced to write for horrible episodes storyline-wise, like Reckoning, Labyrinth and Promise. The Souders/Paterson team is great with details about the scenes and the actors' performances, that's their strength.

But when it comes to the direction of the story itself and the overall plot, I'd say it's not really their fault since it's still all in AlMiles' hands and the other producers.

[SmallvilleMan]

How does that not make Clark a homewrecker?!?! I am not getting this. He went to tell a pregnant Clana the truth, on her wedding day, so she wouldnt marry the man who knocked her up. I am pretty sure that would be home wrecking.

Because Lana wasn't happy marrying Lex, she didn't want to marry Lex, she wanted to be with Clark. Lana was already the note to break off the wedding, that isn't a homewrecker.


She sure did look at Lex like was the devil when they where holding hands during the sonogram <---add sarcasm in tone. She might love Clark more, but she doent hate Lex. In static she really seem to show her feelings for the dude.

Yeah, wow, one epside does mean everything(sarcasm). One episode she profess her love and every other episode she would rather be some where else. She doesn't hate Lex, no, but she doesn't love him. She was holding out for Clark.

[paolinki25]

For the love of god, how many times have Clark and Lana found themselves in the exact same spot where they confess their "undying love" for each other? It NEVER gets them somewhere. It only causes them pain and misery. Lana knows this. Clark knows this.

How did she screw with Clark? At the final of last season and beginning of this one, Lana was nothing but *****y to Clark. She worked with Lex on the ship behind Clark's back to the point Clark wasn't even sure if he should trust her with his secret. Then, she gets involved with Lex shortly after Clark, has sex with him, gets engaged, gets pregnant, marries him, and oh yeah, she doesn't tell Clark Lionel is blacmailing her. She just goes on with the wedding...and you say she's not messing with Clark's head? You don't do that to someone you love. You just don't.

[SmallvilleMan]

For the love of god, how many times have Clark and Lana found themselves in the exact same spot where they confess their "undying love" for each other? It NEVER gets them somewhere. It only causes them pain and misery. Lana knows this. Clark knows this.

Because maybe the next time will be different. It's better than pining over each other.....


How did she screw with Clark? At the final of last season and beginning of this one, Lana was nothing but *****y to Clark. She worked with Lex on the ship behind Clark's back to the point Clark wasn't even sure if he should trust her with his secret. Then, she gets involved with Lex shortly after Clark, has sex with him, gets engaged, gets pregnant, marries him, and oh yeah, she doesn't tell Clark Lionel is blacmailing her. She just goes on with the wedding...and you say she's not messing with Clark's head? You don't do that to someone you love. You just don't.

Yes, Lana acted bad to Clark, because Clark was a coward toward her and disappeared in their relationship after reckoning. Clark never didn't trust Lana, that was never problem, i don't know how many times that has to be made a point of. She had sex with Lex a long time after breaking up with Clark. Why is she going to tell Clark that Lionel is blackmailing him? So Lionel can kill Clark? And he could. Clark was messed with Lana, althought unintentionally, as much as she has with him. You don't sacrifice your life for someone unless you have undying love for them.

[lillie_poo_pod]

PREACH paolinki! PREACH!!!!!!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Routh
I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.
I have to agree....
I hope that Lionel has a secret agenda, though...

As for Chloe: her quality days on SV are over, it seems...

[paolinki25]

Sorry, SmallvilleMan. I understand you see it like that, because you love Clark and Lana. I respect that, but I honestly cannot feel or see this "undying love" between Clark and Lana right now. Not after everything that has happened.

[puppiesnkittens]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Sorry, SmallvilleMan. I understand you see it like that, because you love Clark and Lana. I respect that, but I honestly cannot feel or see this "undying love" between Clark and Lana right now. Not after everything that has happened.

Honestly, I have never felt the undying love from Clark and Lana. I just never felt it. I got the crush/obsession vibe on their parts, but the love just never really rang true for me. I guess because they never showed that they were in love for any reasons other than superficial ones. :\

[cmm]

I so agree with you Routh and this is part of the reason why I hate clana, everything has to be destoryed in order for it to work.

[SmallvilleMan]

Sorry, SmallvilleMan. I understand you see it like that, because you love Clark and Lana. I respect that, but I honestly cannot feel or see this "undying love" between Clark and Lana right now. Not after everything that has happened

No, I don't see it like that, because I love Clark and Lana. For the record first, I only love Lana:cool: Secondly, I see that as love, because it is love or my feelings on love. Love is about sacrifice and they make sacrifices to protect each other. Of course they go thru tough times, what relationship doesn't? It's tradgetic that they aren't together, when they deserve to be happy. That what love is to me, love is saying I will do whatever I have to, to protect you, no matter what and they do that.

[meggy]

everything must die for Clana to be..everyone must go OOC for Clana to be...

and sadly, i must agree with you ILWC...her quality days on SV are over..hers and Martha's apparently.......everyone must become Clana cheerleaders..

well, at least the Magnificent Bastard will soon be freed of his sudden Lexana cheerleader role :\

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by Routh
I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

I actually couldn't have put it better myself, Routh.
Everyone in "Promise" looked like idiots.
Even as a huge Chloe fan, I have to say that her pushing the Clana was too much to handle, especially, after she encouraged Clark to get over Lana in "Freak".

"Promise" just had a lot of "What did they just say?" moments.
Unbelievable.

[SmallvilleMan]

Of course no one had any problems with Martha flipped to the anti clana side during hypnotic:rolleyes:

[Gspokesman]

A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

Obviously you would say something like that if you've made the same mistake because it comes from personal experience. No different than a parent giving their child advice based on past mistakes.

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

Obviously his son being happy is most important to him, a lot more important than Martha Kent.

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

Was anyone really convinced of this relationship?

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

All season? Hes loved her ALL SERIES!

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

Like Lexana is a real relationship and it's not as if Lex hasn't ever said or done some things to break Clana up.

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

Of course its wrong on a lot of levels to do that on a wedding day but maybe she knew Lana didn't truly love Lex, and she couldn't really tell Clark not to because that would be going against what she did to marry Jonathan.


I dunno I think Clanaism shields me from having a problem with these things but I hate all the smallville characters for a lot of reasons but those above aren't any of them.

[kh1]

I loved it all!!!

[Jetta]

I agree that all the characters looked bad in this episode, but it didn't really bother me. A few days before the episode, I wholeheartedly agreed that Smallville was a full blown soap. As me now, and I'll flat out disagree. Smallville has, for me atleast, become a comedy. It is a joke, and I found pleasure laughing at the show and the characters while I watched the episode. I especially laughed at the Lana and Clark in emotional pain scenes, never have a more enjoyed another's misery. And this was not because of any Clana (I used to be violently opposed, but I no longer care about it or any other ship), it was just becuase I don't like either of them. For that matter only one character for whom I hold a modicum of respect, and that is Lionel. For the people saying what the hell on his actions, the final discussion between him and Lex made it clear to me that he had ulterior motives: "you'll know when I collect". I reiterate, I now find Smallville no more than a joke, and it has helped make the show much more enjoyable to watch, I heartily recommend it to others who are angry or depressed with what they see, maybe it'll help you too! :)

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by Jetta
I reiterate, I now find Smallville no more than a joke, and it has helped make the show much more enjoyable to watch, I heartily recommend it to others who are angry or depressed with what they see, maybe it'll help you too! :)

As sad as it is, it is true.

[curiosity]

I saw nothing wrong with any of the characters. It's only been a year sinse Clark and Lana broke up, he's not going to be even remotely over her yet from what I've seen of loads of guys who've been in love, especially their first love.

I've also seen many guys depressed over their ex getting married, or who still have serious feelings for an ex even after years or if they're with someone else. These things are true to life, like it or not.

And the Luthor's are known to make threats to get their way, and do evil things.

[seannyd]

I cannot agree any more with what's been said here. The sad fact is that I gave up on any hope of continuity of character years ago. Smallville is now just beating a dead horse. I watch the show for fleeting glimpses of Superman lore, which now seem to be coming few and far between.

The fact that they're trying to bring in such heavy material and completely botching it all to hell is a testament to the fact that the writers are not only making it up as they go along, but not talking to each other about upcoming episodes. Throw to hell what came before as long as we can come up with a story for this episode.

And Lionel may be the most inconsistent character in the history of television. He's bad! No wait, he's good! No, wait, he MIGHT be bad! No, wait he IS bad. Wait, or is he good? Ok, so he's bad. What?! Seriously?!

I almost feel like right around the time Christopher Reeve died, he took the spirit of Smallville with him.

[curiosity]

Clark still having feelings for Lana is very true to life, especially after she told him she wasn't marrying Lex and kissed him.

He'd have every right to be a little upset after that, plus he wonders "who got to her". So he's hurt, but he thinks something's up at the same time.

[mobiusklein]

Clark is an ass trying to break up a wedding. Can we fire Clark and see if there's someone else in the Phantom Zone who's less obsessed with Lana's crotch who can play Superman?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Clark is an ass trying to break up a wedding. Can we fire Clark and see if there's someone else in the Phantom Zone who's less obsessed with Lana's crotch who can play Superman?
Count me in.

[curiosity]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Clark is an ass trying to break up a wedding. Can we fire Clark and see if there's someone else in the Phantom Zone who's less obsessed with Lana's crotch who can play Superman?

He's not ass for trying to break up Lana marrying Lex Luthor.

Lex is the ass for keeping them apart in the first place by telling BOTH of them Lana was pregnant. And Lex is also an ass for kidnapping and experimenting on people.

[chlark=destiny]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Routh
A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?[QUOTE]

It was SO OOC for Chloe to suggest to Clark to break up Lexana:(. . .I mean, I know that she's tried to warn Lana all season long about the dangers of getting too close to the Luthors, BUT Lana chose to ignore her advice:rolleyes:. . .I know that Chloe was just trying to protect Lana and Calrk from getting hurt, BUT still, I wasn't impressed with her 180 degree turn from FREAK:rolleyes:

ALSO. . .Chloe told Clark not to hide his TRUE feelings for Lana, BUT I think that it's interesting that they (CHLARK) are BOTH hiding their TRUE feelings for each other:rolleyes:. . .I mean CHLARK has never had any closure as well. . .I am so mad at AL/MILES right now!. . .They have done a "good" job at trashing these characters:rolleyes:. . .I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, BUT wasn't Clark "into" Chloe for the majority of the season?. . .WTH?!

[QUOTE]A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?[QUOTE]

EXACTLY. . .He's never really cared about Lex to begin with:confused:, and now all of a sudden he cares about Lex's happiness?. . .I don't buy it. . .PLUS, Lionel threatened to kill Clark. . .Isn't Clark suppose to be the "son he's always wanted?". . .WTH?!

[QUOTE]A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?[QUOTE]

Yeah, in the beginning of the season she was all "lovey-dovey" with Lex, declaring her love for him when she thought that he was dead:rolleyes:. . .What happened?. . .How did she get from I want to spend the rest of my life with you to "well, I want to be with Clark"?. . .I'll tell you what happened. . .AL/MILES rewrote "key" episodes this season that were going to play a pivotal role in changing the way Clark saw people (he was supposed to fall for Chloe, but that didn't happen:rolleyes:).

[QUOTE]A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?[QUOTE]

AGAIN. . .REWRITES:(. . .AL/MILES SUCK AT CONTINUITY:rolleyes:

[QUOTE]A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?[QUOTE]

Yep. . .Doesn't make any sense does it?. . .Clark is suppose to have high morals, yet he's willing to stop the LEXANA marriage to satisfy his own personal happiness:rolleyes:. . .PLUS, Lana and Lex are going to be parents, or at least that's what they're led to believe, and Clark still wants to be with Lana. . .What happened to his moral compass?. . .I guess Lana has tainted it:rolleyes:

[QUOTE]A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?[QUOTE]

Yeah, wasn't it just in "Crimson" that she told him to "stay away from her":rolleyes:. . .WTH?!

[QUOTE]I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters[QUOTE] :(

TOTALLY AGREE. . .I may just boycot the rest of the season:(

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Clark is an ass trying to break up a wedding. Can we fire Clark and see if there's someone else in the Phantom Zone who's less obsessed with Lana's crotch who can play Superman?

Amen! I can't believe poor Raya sacrified herself for this guy.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by curiosity
He's not ass for trying to break up Lana marrying Lex Luthor.

Lex is the ass for keeping them apart in the first place by telling BOTH of them Lana was pregnant. And Lex is also an ass for kidnapping and experimenting on people.


Are you serious?! Everyone was an ass in this episode. EVERYONE!

Lex didn't keep Clark and Lana apart. Lana ran to Lex. If anything Clark and Lana kept themselves apart. Lex was an ass for telling Clark that Lana was preggers, and. He supposed to be an ass. He's Lex fraking Luthor! And until further proof I refuse to believe that Lex is that desperate and pathetic to fake Lana's pregnancy.

As for Clark, man o man. Be honest how does that look for Clark Kent, future Superman, to go after a pregnant woman ON HER WEDDING DAY! LIKE AN ASS! A SELFISH ASS!
As hard as it is for me to type this Chloe was an ass too! This is the first time EVER that I cannot even defend Chloe. She did an absolute 360 from "Freak". Lana was an ass for locking her "best-friend" in a wine cooler to find out Clark's secret and especially for having the audacity to even think about leaving Lex @ the alter and write him a note that she can't go through with the wedding and doesn't even leave it @ the church!. THA HELL! Martha was an ass too she did a 360 from "Crimson. The only person that wasn't an ass in this episode was Shelby.

No one gets a free pass in this episode. Like others have mentioned there were nothing but character assassinations in this episode.

[paolinki25]

Again, even Lana fans make her look like a martyr in their comments. NOBODY forced Lana Lang to get involved, have sex and get pregnant. NOBODY. She did it all by herself. She damn well knew what she was getting herself into, but she ignored the warnings and went on with the whole mess. Now, Lana. DEAL with the consequences. No, wait...That's right. She sacrified herself for the "love" of the hero. She won't face consequences, because she will most likely be saved by guess who? Clark Kent. The man who can't see there's a big world out there that doesn't revolve around Lana Lang.

[lillie_poo_pod]

^ I KNO! ooo Lana sacraficed herself because she wuvsssssss Clark sooo much!! Please. It's a shame when this show has gotten so predictable. They use the same thing over and over. Lana is the martyr, Clark has to save her, and Lex forced her to stay with him so long. And Lana is once again made the victim and won't have to deal with the consequences of her actions. Its the same ol thing.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Again, even Lana fans make her look like a martyr in their comments. NOBODY forced Lana Lang to get involved, have sex and get pregnant. NOBODY. She did it all by herself. She damn well knew what she was getting herself into, but she ignored the warnings and went on with the whole mess. Now, Lana. DEAL with the consequences. No, wait...That's right. She sacrified herself for the "love" of the hero. She won't face consequences, because she will most likely be saved by guess who? Clark Kent. The man who can't see there's a big world out there that doesn't revolve around Lana Lang.
Very well said. I agree.

[khufu]

This episode blew hard. And I agree with everyone that they basically assassinated every character in order to force a completely contrived and regressive plot upon the audience.

CHLOE/MARTHA: Both did a complete 180 on what they have recently told Clark about Lana. Chloe JUST told Clark that he needed to go to the wedding to prove to himself that he was over Lana, to help him move on. Now she's telling him that he needs to tell Lana and basically break off their wedding???? Huh?? And in Crimson, Martha told Clark that the best thing he could do is leave Lana alone, and now she too is essentially convincing him to fight for Lana and break up the wedding. WTF??? They completely erased everything that these two have been saying.

LIONEL: Dude! Why in the world is he going to such extremes to pair Lexana, when he has gloated repeatedly that Lana will never love Lex and would be more than pleased to be proven right. And just HOW the hell did he find the body in the crypt? And just HOW the hell did he know that Lana's hesitance was due to having found out Clark's secret? WTF makes him think that? She could have been skipping out for any number of reasons. That was so poorly written, I'm at a loss for words.

CLARK: You have NO testicles my friend. Green Arrow makes you look like a complete joke. And proposing to a woman on her wedding day? Classy move. This is the same guy who couldn't even tell when Lana was replaced by Stepford!Lana in Labyrinth - yeah, he knows her THAT well - and he's convinced that she's the love of his life.

LEX: Greatest super villain in the world whining like a little sissy b1tch, ready go give up everything just to have this pathetic excuse of a woman. Sylar makes Lex look like Strawberry Shortcake.

LANA: Why not just TELL Clark what Lionel said?? Oh right, I forgot, because all TPTB are doing is substituting one set of "secrets and lies" for another. How creative. What exactly is her plan - to marry Lex forever!??? To protect the most powerful being on the planet from harm based soley on Lionel's word that he can and will kill? You are a complete idiot.

The writing was piss poor. And the directing was just as bad. They failed miserably with their pathetic attempt to present the story in multiple POVs a la 'Run Lola Run'. Most of the POVs ended up being far too redundant and left me wondering why they even bothered to split it. And WHY the **** was there FOG on the floor of the crypt? Please someone tell me. I've been in some cold/damn rooms, but indoor fog is a new one to me!

This entire episode was phenomenally craptastic, taking Smallville to new heights of craptitude. Similarly, ALL the character were degraded to a level of douchebaggery that defies description.

Oh and did I mention that after 6 freaking years we are now back where we were when the series first started?

Thank god for Hiro Nakamura & Gang!!!!!!

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Again, even Lana fans make her look like a martyr in their comments. NOBODY forced Lana Lang to get involved, have sex and get pregnant. NOBODY. She did it all by herself. She damn well knew what she was getting herself into, but she ignored the warnings and went on with the whole mess. Now, Lana. DEAL with the consequences. No, wait...That's right. She sacrified herself for the "love" of the hero. She won't face consequences, because she will most likely be saved by guess who? Clark Kent. The man who can't see there's a big world out there that doesn't revolve around Lana Lang.

You speak the truth:). . .You are VERY WISE;)


Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
Are you serious?! Everyone was an ass in this episode. EVERYONE!

Lex didn't keep Clark and Lana apart. Lana ran to Lex. If anything Clark and Lana kept themselves apart. Lex was an ass for telling Clark that Lana was preggers, and. He supposed to be an ass. He's Lex fraking Luthor! And until further proof I refuse to believe that Lex is that desperate and pathetic to fake Lana's pregnancy.

As for Clark, man o man. Be honest how does that look for Clark Kent, future Superman, to go after a pregnant woman ON HER WEDDING DAY! LIKE AN ASS! A SELFISH ASS!
As hard as it is for me to type this Chloe was an ass too! This is the first time EVER that I cannot even defend Chloe. She did an absolute 360 from "Freak". Lana was an ass for locking her "best-friend" in a wine cooler to find out Clark's secret and especially for having the audacity to even think about leaving Lex @ the alter and write him a note that she can't go through with the wedding and doesn't even leave it @ the church!. THA HELL! Martha was an ass too she did a 360 from "Crimson. The only person that wasn't an ass in this episode was Shelby.

No one gets a free pass in this episode. Like others have mentioned there were nothing but character assassinations in this episode.

AGREED. . .EVERYONE WAS OOC, AND DO YOU KNOW WHY?:rolleyes: . . .BECAUSE THEY HAD TO MAKE LANA LOOK LIKE SHE WAS THE VICTIM, WHEN ALL ALONG, SHE VICTIMIZED HERSELF:rolleyes:. . .HEY, IF YOU "LAY" DOWN WITH "A" DOG (LEX), YOU'RE GOING TO GET FLEAS:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by Routh
Huh.

Let me just break it down some more.

CHLOE SULLIVAN

Girl, I don't know what happened to you. You are supposed to be SANE. You are not supposed to ask Clark to "save" Lana, because this is Lana's choice. If Lana can't save herself, then it's her fault, because this is her decision. Lana has told you that she loves Lex, and yet you insist that Clark break them up because they are a "loveless" relationship? Who are you to decide that? Lana said she wanted to be with Lex, and yet you still believe what you want to believe and try to break them apart? I cannot understand your logic.

LIONEL LUTHOR

Magnificent bastard, what has happened to thee? For the first time in your life, you care about Lex's happiness? How is that flowing with your evil nature? Have you become so blinded that you think marrying Lana will actually be beneficial to Lex? You yourself said that Lana has turned him into a weak and desperate man. So, do you want him to be happy, desperate, or completely insane?

MARTHA KENT

I'm going to slap you. After being married to Jonathan Kent for YEARS, have you learned nothing of morals? Are you really going to sit there and tell Clark that it is okay to try to get the girl back, WHEN THE GIRL IS MARRYING SOMEONE THAT DAY, IS PREGNANT, AND HAS TOLD YOU OTHERWISE THAT SHE IS HAPPY WITH THE OTHER GUY? Martha Kent, your husband just turned in his grave. Multiple times.

LANA LANG

I have nothing to say to you. Except for the fact that you are a conniving skank. You specifically went against Clark's wishes that he DIDN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW HIS SECRET. But you, who only thinks about yourself, and only cares about making YOURSELF feel happy, invades his privacy, not to mention his trust, to find out his secret. Oh, and how CONVENIENT that you are given the opportunity to become a martyr, to save the hero, to give yourself up for NO REASON other than to make everyone think YOU ARE SELFLESS, when the truth is YOU ARE NOT.

CLARK KENT

GO TO HELL! (see previous posts)

SHELBY

I love you.

Here ****ing here.

People cannot tell me that they're going to let their bias blind them from seeing how badly the characters were written in this episode.

For godsakes... I done-done-done.

[natwelling]

I am so disgusted with this episode.....

[Naomi]

So true

[ChlarkMe]

Originally posted by meggy
......but my GOD!....you attemp to break up the pending marriage so you could PROPOSE TOO...to A PREGNANT WOMAN OF YOU EX-FRIEND..ON THE WEDDING DAY!!!!!!!!!!!..............

If this were anyone other than Clark everyone would be saying what a looser.


Originally posted by Routh
Huh.

Let me just break it down some more.

CHLOE SULLIVAN

Girl, I don't know what happened to you. You are supposed to be SANE. You are not supposed to ask Clark to "save" Lana, because this is Lana's choice. If Lana can't save herself, then it's her fault, because this is her decision. Lana has told you that she loves Lex, and yet you insist that Clark break them up because they are a "loveless" relationship? Who are you to decide that? Lana said she wanted to be with Lex, and yet you still believe what you want to believe and try to break them apart? I cannot understand your logic.

LIONEL LUTHOR

Magnificent bastard, what has happened to thee? For the first time in your life, you care about Lex's happiness? How is that flowing with your evil nature? Have you become so blinded that you think marrying Lana will actually be beneficial to Lex? You yourself said that Lana has turned him into a weak and desperate man. So, do you want him to be happy, desperate, or completely insane?

MARTHA KENT

I'm going to slap you. After being married to Jonathan Kent for YEARS, have you learned nothing of morals? Are you really going to sit there and tell Clark that it is okay to try to get the girl back, WHEN THE GIRL IS MARRYING SOMEONE THAT DAY, IS PREGNANT, AND HAS TOLD YOU OTHERWISE THAT SHE IS HAPPY WITH THE OTHER GUY? Martha Kent, your husband just turned in his grave. Multiple times.

LANA LANG

I have nothing to say to you. Except for the fact that you are a conniving skank. You specifically went against Clark's wishes that he DIDN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW HIS SECRET. But you, who only thinks about yourself, and only cares about making YOURSELF feel happy, invades his privacy, not to mention his trust, to find out his secret. Oh, and how CONVENIENT that you are given the opportunity to become a martyr, to save the hero, to give yourself up for NO REASON other than to make everyone think YOU ARE SELFLESS, when the truth is YOU ARE NOT.

CLARK KENT

GO TO HELL! (see previous posts)

SHELBY

I love you.


Don't forget the infamous Aunt Nell who told Lana it was ok to do what she needed to do to resolve her issues. How could she say that without knowing what it was. Bad Aunt.

[Mary Sullivan]

It's sad.

[Mr. Wrong]

The only winner in this one was Shelby. Providing CK wasn't serious about his proposal!

[Ginx]

Originally posted by Routh
Huh.

Let me just break it down some more.

LIONEL LUTHOR

Magnificent bastard, what has happened to thee? For the first time in your life, you care about Lex's happiness? How is that flowing with your evil nature? Have you become so blinded that you think marrying Lana will actually be beneficial to Lex? You yourself said that Lana has turned him into a weak and desperate man. So, do you want him to be happy, desperate, or completely insane?

MARTHA KENT

I'm going to slap you. After being married to Jonathan Kent for YEARS, have you learned nothing of morals? Are you really going to sit there and tell Clark that it is okay to try to get the girl back, WHEN THE GIRL IS MARRYING SOMEONE THAT DAY, IS PREGNANT, AND HAS TOLD YOU OTHERWISE THAT SHE IS HAPPY WITH THE OTHER GUY? Martha Kent, your husband just turned in his grave. Multiple times.

CLARK KENT

GO TO HELL! (see previous posts)

SHELBY

I love you.

Ok - I agree with most of your points but I do not think Lionel is being 'the good dad' to help Lex get married so that his son can be happy - no way. Lionel helped Lex because he wants something from him and he still needs to collect it - he looks at his son as an asset - if his asset is falling apart then yeah he's going to help keep it together until it's served it's purpose - cold hard truth there - Lional is still a bastard.

Martha - yeah, what the hell - I do know that she was giving good advice to not let opportunities pass by but at the same time that advice is a day late and dollar short - she shouldn't be saying that on Lana's wedding day.

Clark - yeah, I hated that they tore him apart in this episode but I'm hoping that they are going to use the events in this episode to push him to be more like Superman and less live Super-loser-love-puppy-boy. Clark needs to get going with finding the Zoners and meeting up with the JL - take a page from Ollie's book - might not be the best guide to super-heroes but still he told Lois that 'there are things in this world that are more important than what he wants.' - seriously, the Zoners are out there.....33.1 is gaining momentum and there are probably other sh*t storms coming Clarks way - so get a clue. Put away the love-sick farm boy, become who you were meant to be.

Shelby.....love ya!

[baudyhallee]

Routh, love ya!!!

Have to agree -- this episode is complete worship at the Lana alter. Because in Smallville -- it's not about Clark Kent's childhood -- It's about Lana Lang being the most powerful being in the universe.

She has robbed Lex Luthor and Clark Kent of their cajones and it doesn't look like she's going to give them back any time soon.

Lionel is the only one who is challenging her and I say thank you!!! I love you MB.
He didn't do it for the love of Lex -- he's got other things going on -- Lana will distract Lex to no end allowing Lionel to do his thing. And I can't wait to watch that even if its only for a few scenes and a few more episodes.

I am thoroughly grateful that Lois has been spared this episode.

Clark -- he has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old -- and this is the guy who's going to save the universe on a daily basis? (I totally agree with asking zoners to fill out resumes for the Supes job.) If he married Lana (baby or no), then what would he do with his life? Work on the farm saving the wifey poo from her own bad decisions -- because she can't be accountable for them???

ARRGH -- if they were going to create a show with this character destruction, why didn't they pick on some other iconic characters and not Clark Kent/Superman? They obviously haven't done any research on the subject -- they just make it up as they go along.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Lanagina is the deadly !

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by baudyhallee
Routh, love ya!!!

Have to agree -- this episode is complete worship at the Lana alter. Because in Smallville -- it's not about Clark Kent's childhood -- It's about Lana Lang being the most powerful being in the universe.

She has robbed Lex Luthor and Clark Kent of their cajones and it doesn't look like she's going to give them back any time soon.

So much WORD to all this. Lana has completely emasculated both men. It was pathetic to see these versions of Lex Luthor and Clark Kent yesterday. Their whole existence revoles around Lana Lang right now.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Y'know, Routh -- your posts in this thread proves that people don't have to be on the same side of the theory spectrum to completely agree with one another based on what happened last night.

I seriously just...don't have any words. I want to rant, I want to stomp around and kick things and shout at the heavens, but...I don't think I can. SV has sucked up my ability to wax livid about their show content. Superman, on this show, is dead to me.

I grieve....

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Routh
A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

All I can say is that the date was well picked Ides of march the day the first Roman Emperor was killed they killed our wonderful characters this time the knive was a hideous pink squirrel called Lana Lang :(

[cmm]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
All I can say is that the date was well picked Ides of march the day the first Roman Emperor was killed they killed our wonderful characters this time the knive was a hideous pink squirrel called Lana Lang :(

LMAO hideous pink squirrel!!!

[meggy]

true. so true SnarkMasterJ. This is one of the most divided fan bases in history..but regardless of ships, favorite characters etc...this is one horribly done epi that unites (most of) the fanbase...cause everyone sucked. how ironic.

i grieve too

[Ginx]

Originally posted by baudyhallee
[B]Routh, love ya!!!

She has robbed Lex Luthor and Clark Kent of their cajones and it doesn't look like she's going to give them back any time soon.

Lionel didn't do it for the love of Lex -- he's got other things going on -- Lana will distract Lex to no end allowing Lionel to do his thing. And I can't wait to watch that even if its only for a few scenes and a few more episodes.

Clark -- he has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old -- and this is the guy who's going to save the universe on a daily basis? (I totally agree with asking zoners to fill out resumes for the Supes job.) If he married Lana (baby or no), then what would he do with his life? Work on the farm saving the wifey poo from her own bad decisions -- because she can't be accountable for them???

Seriously - good points. Lionel using Lana as a distraction, Clark having the emotional maturity of a 12 yr old, Zoners to audition to be the real Supes.......Clark needs to pick up his sh*t and move off that farm and start working with JL to become a man!!!!

I would hug you baudyhallee and Routh if it wasn't considered sexual harassment and the fact that we're online. lol ;) :p

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by meggy
true. so true SnarkMasterJ. This is one of the most divided fan bases in history..but regardless of ships, favorite characters etc...this is one horribly done epi that unites (most of) the fanbase...cause everyone sucked. how ironic.

i grieve too

soo true. the only person that didn't make me seriously ill was shelby. i love that dog :)

[BlueNRed2]

A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

Hypocritical? Maybe, but tptb havent really pushed Chlark a whole lot this season other than the sidekick route. And although im a Chlark fan, i havent seen a whole lot of evidence to suggest Chloe is still romantically interested in Clark. She seems to be moving on. So...I dont particularly see her position as a 180. More like someone that didnt believe *the* day(Lexana Wedding) was really going to come to pass. At least that was the feeling i took away from it.

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

I'm not sure where Lionel's interest is placed but i seriously doubt he has Lex's interest at heart. Being the MB that he is, his motivations will probably be revealed down the line, probably near the season's end.

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

It's not that she doesnt love Lex, she has stated that several times. She mentioned this episode that her love for lex wasnt "enough" which i take to meaning that she had *resigned* herself to being with Lex. Also, she has been picking up on his dishonestly as of late which seems to have soured her feelings for Lex. Oh, and for the record....i'm NOT a clana shipper =P. Chlark all the way baby!

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

Clark has never moved on. He is tormented/frustrated that his *uniqueness* has prevented him from having a true relationship with the woman he loves. The reality of the Lexana wedding day coming to pass was the break point for the Man of Steel. He had proposed to her in the past so its not that far of a leap that he would still have such thoughts lingering.

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

Not sure from what angle your pointing. I think the point of the wedding day is the feeling of finality. All the characters are realizing that there is "no turning back" after the covenant is made ...so to say.

Lana felt she needed to know the truth about Clark in order to make her final choice between Clark and Lex. After understanding Clark's reason for hiding his secret and hearing his feelings (trickery withstanding), she knew Clark's motivation for hiding his secret was not as much about trust but about him protecting her.

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

I did find this position a little strange. Ultimately, Martha wants what is best for her son and to see him happy. If we have been hammered with mopey Clark, poor Martha must be hearing an exponential amount of it off screen ;-)..

Anywho, I didnt particularly enjoy this episode but i cant say that the characters were assassinated. I can definately understand the frustration....especially from the anti-clana camp. Seriously hope next week is better than it looks. Of course, as strong as the season has been so far, i guess we are due for a deflation.

[Absolute Kingdom]

I haven't seen so many angry fans from every shipper camp in one place. And they all agree! Unbelievable :D j/k guys

Anyway, I have never liked Clark on Smallville, so no surprise there. I used to LOVE Lex but not after last night. Chloe and Martha are just plot devices, also no surprise there. Lionel back to his MB ways ... I love it! I guess I should be happy that at least Lois was spared from character assassination. Lana .... no comment.

Gotta say one thing: KK rocked this episode. The guy who said that she's an awful actress can shove it up his ass.

[UltrarodimusP]

I am 26 right now. When I was the age of Clark and Chloe and Lana, I had done similar things. They are freaking 20 years old. They have only been out of college for two years. They cant even drink alcohol. This behaviour is expected! It has to get worse before it gets better.

The truth is, you dont know your own identity and you dont mature and fully control your emotions until your 25 atleast. BELIEVE ME! I learned that the hard way.

As far as Lex... He is a wuss now becouse he is in a fragile state of mind. But remember two things A) This is a new Lex compared to other DC Lex'. b) Something will drive him over the edge that makes him a genius and less of a wuss. Like maybe when Lana leaves him and after he kills Lionel.

Martha... Her husbands death destroyed her and any sense of logic she had before. I always felt she was the less mature of the Kents anyway. And now I feel that Lionel is also manipulating her and she doesnt have Jonathon to show her the path she is heading in.

And remember, people wanted to Break up lexana becouse lex IS crazy and Lana deserved better.

And a last point is that Clark does not seem like the Superman we all know. It is illogical to think for someone who has normal desires but inhuman abilities to be able to cope with whats around him. He is YOUNG! When he gets older and learns from his youth, he will be the true man of steal. This trials will only make him better!

THIS SHOW IS (Excuse the twist in words here) ABOUT WHAT A SUPER HERO LIKE SUPERMAN WOULD GO THROUGH IN A REAL WORLD LIKE OURS!

Thats it! And realizing that, THIS IS A DAMN GOOD SHOW!

[Timester]

Originally posted by UltrarodimusP
I am 26 right now. When I was the age of Clark and Chloe and Lana, I had done similar things. They are freaking 20 years old. They have only been out of college for two years. They cant even drink alcohol. This behaviour is expected! It has to get worse before it gets better.

The truth is, you dont know your own identity and you dont mature and fully control your emotions until your 25 atleast. BELIEVE ME! I learned that the hard way.

Sorry, but that is pure BS. I'm 25 years old and haven't done .05 of the crap that Clark did.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Ginx
Seriously - good points. Lionel using Lana as a distraction, Clark having the emotional maturity of a 12 yr old, Zoners to audition to be the real Supes.......Clark needs to pick up his sh*t and move off that farm and start working with JL to become a man!!!!

That is insulting! :mad: to 12 yrs olds :D...I think one of Elly's daughters is younger than that she is sick of Lana and his pinkitude. :\

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by Timester
Sorry, but that is pure BS. I'm 25 years old and haven't done .05 of the crap that Clark did.

Same here :D

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Routh
Oh, wait. I forgot the most important one.

A CLARK WHO'S TOUGHEST ORDEAL WAS "LETTING LANA GO"? IS THAT REALLY THE HARDEST THING YOU'VE EVER DONE, CLARK? WHAT ABOUT BURYING YOUR DEAD FATHER? KILLING YOUR MOTHER'S UNBORN CHILD? HOW 'BOUT THAT? WHAT'S THAT? LANA'S STILL MORE IMPORTANT? OKAY.

Sorry about the size and caps, but seriously, W. T. F.

Nice to see that you got your point across:). . .Well done!:D

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Timester
Sorry, but that is pure BS. I'm 25 years old and haven't done .05 of the crap that Clark did.

Agree I'm 29 and I'm haven't done that kind of stupidity ever in my life...But again I never meet the pink squirrel so

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Same here :D

And same here as well. Bunch of 25 year olds in this thread.:)

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by meggy
you know, maybe i would have been happier with CK in this episode if he was trying to save Lana simply because he didnt want her to get involved with an evil man, so i could give him credit for trying to "save humanity" as TPTB would like us to believe....

but my GOD!....you attemp to break up the pending marriage so you could PROPOSE TOO...to A PREGNANT WOMAN OF YOU EX-FRIEND..ON THE WEDDING DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

why couldnt they just stop at trying to save Lana from an evil person...how could CK even THINK FOR A SECOND that it would be ok for him to propose too!??

damn...where is Pa Kent when you need him for some guidance

All I am going to say is that Clark is a BDA, who is regressing back to a lovesick 13-year-old:rolleyes:

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by Timester
Sorry, but that is pure BS. I'm 25 years old and haven't done .05 of the crap that Clark did.

Word. I'm 26 myself, and although I've done some pretty stupid things in my life, I've tried to learn from my mistakes and avoid falling into the same mistakes I've made. It's called growing up.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
All I am going to say is that Clark is a BDA, who is regressing back to a lovesick 13-year-old:rolleyes:

how can he regress when he's yet to move on:rolleyes:

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
Routh, you're my new hero.

Mine too!:D


Originally posted by thehenry89
how can he regress when he's yet to move on:rolleyes:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Kreukie]

AOT said that Martha was always supportive of Clark fighting for Lana and telling her the truth.

Which I agree, she always has been, up until this season.

So really, Martha was acting in character.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by paolinki25
For the love of god, how many times have Clark and Lana found themselves in the exact same spot where they confess their "undying love" for each other? It NEVER gets them somewhere. It only causes them pain and misery. Lana knows this. Clark knows this.

How did she screw with Clark? At the final of last season and beginning of this one, Lana was nothing but *****y to Clark. She worked with Lex on the ship behind Clark's back to the point Clark wasn't even sure if he should trust her with his secret. Then, she gets involved with Lex shortly after Clark, has sex with him, gets engaged, gets pregnant, marries him, and oh yeah, she doesn't tell Clark Lionel is blacmailing her. She just goes on with the wedding...and you say she's not messing with Clark's head? You don't do that to someone you love. You just don't.

*CLAPS*. . .BRAVO!!!!:D. . .*BOWS*. . .WELL SAID;)

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by Kreukie
So really, Martha was acting in character.

Not really. A few episodes ago she told him to stay away from Lana, remember?

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Kreukie
AOT said that Martha was always supportive of Clark fighting for Lana and telling her the truth.

Which I agree, she always has been, up until this season.

So really, Martha was acting in character.

Well, then how can you explain her conversation with Clark in Crimson?. . .Martha says STAY AWAY FROM HER :D

[paolinki25]

I'm telling you, everybody in this episode was completely off character. We have Martha telling Clark a couple of episodes ago how he needs to leave Lana along and move on, and now she encourages his son to pretty much go and interrupt a wedding? Everybody on this episode had a 360 all in the name of Clana. It was just awful

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
The only winner in this one was Shelby. Providing CK wasn't serious about his proposal! :lol:

[supercatmom]

I could not agree more with most of the observations in this post.

Chloe and Martha did a 180 degree turn from what they have been saying in previous episodes.

I wont comment on Clark. TPTB continue to make him look like a BDA.

Only Lional was true to his character in promise. Namely MB.
By bring about the marriage, he now has Lex and Lana by the B*lls.

In "Reckoning" AG admitted that they had Lana take Clark's secret a lot smoother then would have been expected to move the story line along, to get the whole dramatic 100th episode done in one hour. In other words they glossed over Lana's reaction to Clark's secret so he could propose to her, have her die. Go back and change the future so Jonathan could then die. This was the Great 100th Episode. It left me cold.

Now I think they have done the same thing with "Promise", they have manipulated all the charactors in order to make a dramatic and heart wrenching episode.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by paolinki25
I'm telling you, everybody in this episode was completely off character. We have Martha telling Clark a couple of episodes ago how he needs to leave Lana along and move on, and now she encourages his son to pretty much go and interrupt a wedding? Everybody on this episode had a 360 all in the name of Clana. It was just awful

Yeah, they should rename SV "Lanasville" or BETTER yet "CLANASVILLE":rolleyes:. . .You have to remember that AL/MILES love Lana and CLANA, so of course, they're going to put her/them on a pedastool(s):rolleyes:. . .God forbid they make the "Pink Princess" look bad:\

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Not really. A few episodes ago she told him to stay away from Lana, remember?

So you're calling AOT a lair? She seemed very passionate about what she was saying in the interview. :p

Martha flip flops about it as much as the writers want her to.

One episode she's all supportive of Clana, the next she's not, one episode she's telling Clark, Lana the one, the next she's implying Lois is.

If you guys are starting to notice this now on how TPTB change the characters to fit whatever storyline they want to tell, then I'm very disappointed in all of you. :p

They've done this with every character throughout the series when the plot needs for it, since season one, until now.

Lana goes for telling everyone she doesn't like Lex, to kissing him.

Clark goes to telling everyone he's no longer friends with Lex, to then asking him for a favor.

Chloe goes from patting Clark on the back from saving the day to the next questioning why he doesn't save the day.

It's not just in this episode, it's OVER-ALL.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by paolinki25
I'm telling you, everybody in this episode was completely off character. We have Martha telling Clark a couple of episodes ago how he needs to leave Lana along and move on, and now she encourages his son to pretty much go and interrupt a wedding? Everybody on this episode had a 360 all in the name of Clana. It was just awful

We shouldn't be that surprised though it was only logical that her freak powers were amplified by her wedding gown. Is the day most women look their best so talking about Lana she was freaking Helen of Troy plus a million in this episode... Hence all the blood on her name :\

[redraven]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
Well, then how can you explain her conversation with Clark in Crimson?. . .Martha says STAY AWAY FROM HER :D

If Martha is in character as a Clana supporter (which she was for most of SV), than she was out of character in Crimson when she was telling Clark to stay away from Lana. Along with all of the other times she shoved Clois anvils down our throats, and that statement about Lana 'maybe not being the one', that was out of character.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Martha flip flops about it as much as the writers want her to.


I know, I understand and I agree. I guess we can say that flip-flopping is in her character eh? :D OK that makes sense :p

[paolinki25]

And that's supposed to be an excuse for a crapfest episode? That's not good, people. Blaming the whole thing on "Ah, it's just SV's way, and character's inconsistencies. It's cool." is bad. Instead of improving, it's worsen the show.

Like I've said before, if this were a show about some random guy with super powers, I could care less, but they're telling the story of Clark Kent aka Superman, so yeah, excuse me if it bothers me how awfully portrayed he's being.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by redraven
If Martha is in character as a Clana supporter (which she was for most of SV), than she was out of character in Crimson when she was telling Clark to stay away from Lana. Along with all of the other times she shoved Clois anvils down our throats, and that statement about Lana 'maybe not being the one', that was out of character.

Exactly!

Yet people here eat those thing up as Martha being herself. :rolleyes:

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by supercatmom


I wont comment on Clark. TPTB continue to make him look like a BDA.



AGREED. . .How are we ever expected to BELIEVE that he will one day be Superman?:\. . .I'm NOT convinced:mad:. . .Yeah "this" Clark is mopey, dopey, lovesick, whiny, selfish ect. . .Oh yeah, he's our superman:rolleyes:

[Routh]

Originally posted by Kreukie
So you're calling AOT a lair? She seemed very passionate about what she was saying in the interview. :p

Martha flip flops about it as much as the writers want her to.

One episode she's all supportive of Clana, the next she's not, one episode she's telling Clark, Lana the one, the next she's implying Lois is.

If you guys are starting to notice this now on how TPTB change the characters to fit whatever storyline they want to tell, then I'm very disappointed in all of you. :p

They've done this with every character throughout the series when the plot needs for it, since season one, until now.

Lana goes for telling everyone she doesn't like Lex, to kissing him.

Clark goes to telling everyone he's no longer friends with Lex, to then asking him for a favor.

Chloe goes from patting Clark on the back from saving the day to the next questioning why he doesn't save the day.

It's not just in this episode, it's OVER-ALL.
No. The level of character destruction in this episode has NEVER been reached before. Every single character's good qualities were sacrificed for Clark and Lana. Hell, even Clark and Lana sacrificed their own characters so that they could make the entire audience feel sorry for them that their tragic relationship couldn't come to fruition. Again. And again. And again.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by Routh
Again. And again. And again.

And it will happen AGAIN, and you know it! :D

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Exactly!

Yet people here eat those thing up as Martha being herself. :rolleyes:

this is the first time martha's been blantantly pro clana since lockdown so yeah it is out of charachter.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Exactly!

Yet people here eat those thing up as Martha being herself. :rolleyes:

Isn't called "Martha being herself", it's called "writing being crap".

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by paolinki25
could care less, but they're telling the story of Clark Kent aka Superman, so yeah, excuse me if it bothers me how awfully portrayed he's being.

I've been a Super fan since the 1950's TV series when they were rerun on Nick n' Nite.

I've read the comics, own all the movies and watched every episode of Superboy/Lois&Clark.

I liked this episode and to me it didn't make Clark look bad.

On Lois&Clark, Clark and Lois weren't nothing to each other but co-workers and Clark teamed up with Jimmy to crash Lois' wedding to Lex because he found out things that Clark on Smallville already knows about Lex.

He's not a good guy.

He did the same thing in an Else World Comic with Lex and Lana, then ended up kissing Lana right there in front of everyone.

So to say what Clark did last night wasn't Clark/Superman like is very laughable to me.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
And it will happen AGAIN, and you know it! :D

And that my friend would be a shame:mad:. . .It's terrible to trash ALL the characters in the name of CLANA!!!!:mad:. . .I mean WTH?!!!:mad:. . .SORRY, BUT this time, I think that ROMANTIC CLANA is NOW DEAD AND BURIED:D. . .The ONLY thing left between them WILL be FRIENDSHIP:D. . .REMEMBER, AL used the word FINALITY:). . .Now that's something to think about;)

[redraven]

Originally posted by thehenry89
this is the first time martha's been blantantly pro clana since lockdown so yeah it is out of charachter.

Umm...that doesn't make any sense to me. That means she's been out of character since Lockdown, not that she's out of character this eppi just because she hasn't been a 'blatent' Clana supporter since Lockdown.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Kreukie


On Lois&Clark, Clark and Lois weren't nothing to each other but co-workers and Clark teamed up with Jimmy to crash Lois' wedding to Lex because he found out things that Clark on Smallville already knows about Lex.



there's no comparrasion between the crap that was "promise", and "the house of luthour". firstly lois called the wedding off herself she realised that she was making a huge mistake and tried to rectify it. second lois wasn't pregnant. third clark didn't try to propose to her the second she left lex. third lex luthour was an actuall villan not a wussy archetype of a bad soap opera villan. fouth lois didn't act in an underhanded deceptive way to learn clark's secret, she figured it out by herself without the use of deception much later.

[redraven]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
And that my friend would be a shame:mad:. . .It's terrible to trash ALL the characters in the name of CLANA!!!!:mad:. . .I mean WTH?!!!:mad:. . .SORRY, BUT this time, I think that ROMANTIC CLANA is NOW DEAD AND BURIED:D. . .The ONLY thing left between them WILL be FRIENDSHIP:D. . .REMEMBER, AL used the word FINALITY:). . .Now that's something to think about;)

This was a nice, confusing post to read. Great use of randomly capitalized words...but anyhoo, who cares what Al said? Just because he used the word 'finality', means nothing. And yes, there probably will be Clana friendship, but no one knows for sure if there will be another romantic Clana hook-up or not, before the show's over.

[paolinki25]

No offense, but I'd understand if a fan who's been rooting for Clark and Lana likes this episode. They finally got to kiss, and Lana is being portrayed as the poor martyr marrying the villan for the sake of the hero. Of course,most Clana fans will like it. Screw the rest of us who don't watch the show for the eternal love story of Clark and Lana

[cantankerous]

Originally posted by Routh
A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

Routh, you're right in many aspects. Firstly, this is a teenage show afterall. You can't expect the writers of Smallville be up there with Poe or Hemingway

I do agree Chloe and Martha's characters been inconsistent. It is poor writing here.

And Lionel.. we don't know what his plan is. Let's see if writers can pull this off. I'm more intrigued by how in the world Lionel knows Lana knows. And why kill Clark?

Lana didn't say she doesn't love Lex anymore. Her situation has changed with her knowing about Clark and yeah, for her to leave Lex while she thinks she's pregnant is bad. The fact is, Lana is conflicted and not ready to marry Lex.

Ultimately, she didn't leave Lex and Lionel's death-threat and her 'baby' are reasons for her to go thru with this wedding

And Clark's has been in love with Lana the whole show. And the proposal part is not too shocking on his part as he wanted to propose since Reckoning.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by redraven
Umm...that doesn't make any sense to me. That means she's been out of character since Lockdown, not that she's out of character this eppi just because she hasn't been a 'blatent' Clana supporter since Lockdown.

think of it this way, if i tell you point blank not to do something, and then two weeks later i tell you to go ahead and do it then it's out of charachter, and contradictary no matter how you look at it.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
On Lois&Clark, Clark and Lois weren't nothing to each other but co-workers and Clark teamed up with Jimmy to crash Lois' wedding to Lex because he found out things that Clark on Smallville already knows about Lex.

He's not a good guy.

I guess that the part that Lex destroyed the Daily Planet and framed one of Clark's friend of it, not only the fact that destroyed Perry's, Jimmy's and countless others life doesn't count, uh? He really wanted bring down Lex.

Not like this Clark, that just want to jump into Lana's pants...

[paolinki25]

Exactly! The two scenearios have no comparisson whatsoever.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by redraven
If Martha is in character as a Clana supporter (which she was for most of SV), than she was out of character in Crimson when she was telling Clark to stay away from Lana. Along with all of the other times she shoved Clois anvils down our throats, and that statement about Lana 'maybe not being the one', that was out of character.

If memory serves, Martha really has had no opinion on the matter over the last few years other than to tell Clark to follow his heart. The line from Martha in Hypnotic that perhaps Lana is not the one is, up to Promise, the most she has ever said regarding Lana.

In the end, it doesn't really matter what Martha says and whether she has been consistent or not. If the writers wanted to depict Martha as a lesbian biker gang leader to satisfy a plotline, they'd go ahead and do it regardless of the consequences. The more discerning viewers just find it disheartening and off putting, but it's obvious TPTB don't care either way.

[supercatmom]

Of course, everyone being out of character was to bring Clana back.

Clana is not dead nor will it ever be dead on Smallville.

I hoped that Clana was dead because Clana needed to die in order to move Clark onward to becomming Superman.

But after "crimson" I know that Clana would never die on Smallville. TPTB told as what the theme will always be on Smallville.
Lois says: "Lana is your past, I am your future."
Clark says: "But this is the present".

[Doox]

I fail to see why anyone truly thinks Lionel cares about Lex's happiness. If you think for one second that Lionel's decision to confront Lana had ANYTHING other than Lionel's own agenda behind it, well then he's so good at what he does that he has you fooled as well.

[lilkoolmaria]

Completely agree with the original poster. It's a total joke.

[Saber]

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
Completely agree with the original poster. It's a total joke.

I concur, it is a joke and I’m not laughing.
Those are some sad ass characters.
I guess the hero is only superficial; it must be the tights that will keep his balls in check in the future.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by paolinki25
No offense, but I'd understand if a fan who's been rooting for Clark and Lana likes this episode. They finally got to kiss, and Lana is being portrayed as the poor martyr marrying the villan for the sake of the hero. Of course,most Clana fans will like it. Screw the rest of us who don't watch the show for the eternal love story of Clark and Lana

EXACTLY;). . .*AL/MILES CONTEMPLATING HOW TO P*SS OFF THE OTHER SHIPS*. . ."Okay, this is what we'll do. . .We'll trash ALL the characters. . .We'll have Clark "act" like he has loved Lana ALL season, when in fact, he was actually falling for Chloe. . .Chloe can pull a 180 from Freak and tell Clark that he needs to be honest with Lana about his feelings, when in fact, Chloe AND Clark aren't HONEST with each other about their feelings for each other. . .Martha can tell her son that he should fight for Lana by stopping the Lexana wedding, even though in "Crimson", she told Clark to "stay away from her". . .Lionel can turn evil again and threaten to kill Clark just so Lana will marry Lex, even though he has protected him ALL season long, and he loves Martha; Oh, and don't forget the fact that Lionel has never really cared about Lex, BUT now he does. . .Lex can act all desperate due to his love for Lana, when in fact, all season long he's acted calm, cool, and collective when regarding his feelings for her. . .Lana can change her feelings for Lex like she changes her socks by deciding that she doesn't love Lex anymore. . . She wants to be with Clark, even though in "Static," she declares her undying love to Lex, when she thought that he was dead. . .*AL/MILES SMILE WICKEDLY*. . ."Yep, this will REALLY P*SS off the OTHER SHIPS. . .We'll we've done our CLANA worshipping for the day. . .GOOD JOB!":rolleyes:

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
EXACTLY;). . .*AL/MILES CONTEMPLATING HOW TO P*SS OFF THE OTHER SHIPS*. . ."Okay, this is what we'll do. . .We'll trash ALL the characters. . .We'll have Clark "act" like he has loved Lana ALL season, when in fact, he was actually falling for Chloe. . .Chloe can pull a 180 from Freak and tell Clark that he needs to be honest with Lana about his feelings, when in fact, Chloe AND Clark aren't HONEST with each other about their feelings for each other. . .Martha can tell her son that he should fight for Lana by stopping the Lexana wedding, even though in "Crimson", she told Clark to "stay away from her". . .Lionel can turn evil again and threaten to kill Clark just so Lana will marry Lex, even though he has protected him ALL season long, and he loves Martha; Oh, and don't forget the fact that Lionel has never really cared about Lex, BUT now he does. . .Lex can act all desperate due to his love for Lana, when in fact, all season long he's acted calm, cool, and collective when regarding his feelings for her. . .Lana can change her feelings for Lex like she changes her socks by deciding that she doesn't love Lex anymore. . . She wants to be with Clark, even though in "Static," she declares her undying love to Lex, when she thought that he was dead. . .*AL/MILES SMILE WICKEDLY*. . ."Yep, this will REALLY P*SS off the OTHER SHIPS. . .We'll we've done our CLANA worshipping for the day. . .GOOD JOB!":rolleyes:

that would be funnier if it wasn't so close to the truth.:rolleyes:

[darkone]

Aww the Anti Clanas,want a hug? :D
IMO Clark was great in this Ep he finally acted like a man stood up for the woman he claims to love and acted on his feelings.It was about time.I think the hating in here just based on the fact that Lana is Clark's center of the universe and not the JLA skank or her cousin.Promise was an amazing Episode.

[meggy]

lol..AL/MILES must be like this: "folks, our fan base is too divided, and it's taking a toll on us. what should we do to unite them?"

TPTB:"hmmm..let's see...how about we show some more of Clark and Lex's progression into who they will be. Lex should plan some more evil deeds..perhaps more large scale than just SV...and Clark can fine tune his powers some more, look for Zoners, check into 33.1 etc. How's that sound? That should unite the fan base"

AL/MILES: "nah..that's too boring...let's mess up everyone's respective favorite character in the worst way....then they will all agree in their anger"

TPTB :"but...but that would mean we mess up EVERYONE..including Clark"

AL/MILES: "precisely! genius...pure genius!"

:\ :p

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by darkone
Aww the Anti Clanas,want a hug? :D
IMO Clark was great in this Ep he finally acted like a man stood up for the woman he claims to love and acted on his feelings.It was about time.I think the hating in here just based on the fact that Lana is Clark's center of the universe and not the JLA skank or her cousin.Promise was an amazing Episode.

And that's just precious, isn't it? That Clark's whole existence revolves around his high school crush. Beautiful. :rolleyes: Who cares if there's a bigger world out there who needs him? Nah. Let's forget all that and live in the magical fantasy world where Lana and Clark live happily ever after...

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by paolinki25
And that's just precious, isn't it? That Clark's whole existence revolves around his high school crush. Beautiful. :rolleyes: Who cares if there's a bigger world out there who needs him? Nah. Let's forget all that and live in the magical fantasy world where Lana and Clark live happily ever after...

...and unicorns crap rainbows, and lex has hair, and i'm not on the verge of a major liver problem from all the JD i've ingested.

[paolinki25]

Wasn't that the whole purpose of "Labyrinth?" To show the fantasy world Clana is based on? I thought that much was clear.

[darkone]

Well you probably have to realize that Lana isnt ONLY his highschool crush.When you have learned that lesson we can discuss about Clark's acting not sooner.But I guess after 6 years you'll never learn that lesson. :(
On a side note Martha was great aswell I almost gave up on her character. :)

[Stephen Robinson]

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The thing that most sticks in my craw is the morally reprehensible behavior of Clark on Lana's wedding day; they've turned the Man of Steel into a homewrecker. Think about that for second.
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What home did he wreck? Can't wreck the Lexana home, because there is none. Unless you call a loveless relationship a home.......

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SER: This would be fine if it were "The Graduate." Unfortunately, Lana is pregnant and Chloe, Martha, and Clark all know that yet kept pushing for Clark to sweep Lana away. OK, sure, maybe Clark loves Lana and Lana doesn't really love Lex. But Lex is the father of her child and thus will always be a part of her life. I can't believe that at least *Martha* didn't mention that as an issue. What did Martha think would happen? Clark -- the college drop-out -- was going to raise a child with Lana -- the college drop-out?

[darkone]

And? Love conquers ALL. :)

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by Stephen Robinson
SER: This would be fine if it were "The Graduate." Unfortunately, Lana is pregnant and Chloe, Martha, and Clark all know that yet kept pushing for Clark to sweep Lana away. OK, sure, maybe Clark loves Lana and Lana doesn't really love Lex. But Lex is the father of her child and thus will always be a part of her life. I can't believe that at least *Martha* didn't mention that as an issue. What did Martha think would happen? Clark -- the college drop-out -- was going to raise a child with Lana -- the college drop-out?

Word. It's beyond ridiculous.

[baudyhallee]

IMO Clark was great in this Ep he finally acted like a man stood up for the woman he claims to love and acted on his feelings.

It was about time.I think the hating in here just based on the fact that Lana is Clark's center of the universe and not the JLA skank or her cousin.Promise was an amazing Episode.

Well if SV Clark Kent in this episode is a man, than Lana can keep him and his sorry butt.

No PERSON should be anyone's universe -- sorry, but true. It's codependent and dysfunctional for everyone involved.

Clark Kent is destined for greater things than a childhood crush -- He has the responsibility of saving the world and making it a better place. A GOAL or an IDEAL as a center of your universe makes you a better person.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by darkone
And? Love conquers ALL. :)

that's why clark ends up with lois then is it?

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Wasn't that the whole purpose of "Labyrinth?" To show the fantasy world Clana is based on? I thought that much was clear.


I thought that too...especially with the whole "I woke up" comment.... but then "Crimson" aired and from then on everything went straight to hell in a handbasket.

[paolinki25]

Sure, love conquers all if you live in a chick flick. If you live in the real world like the rest of us, sometimes you use your brain before your heart and act like an adult would do.

[Poetic Chaos]

Good ep. Couldn't disagree more. :)

[canon]

The writers for Crimson and Promise were both Souders and Peterson. In Crimson, they had Martha tell Clark to leave Lana alone. In Promise, they had Martha do a 180 to go for Lana. Did the writers forget? classic memory wipe?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by darkone
Well you probably have to realize that Lana isnt ONLY his highschool crush.When you have learned that lesson we can discuss about Clark's acting not sooner.But I guess after 6 years you'll never learn that lesson. :(
On a side note Martha was great aswell I almost gave up on her character. :)

When someone, anyone can elucidate a reason why Clark and Lana are good together other than "they look pretty" I might start to believe it's anything but an adolescent, highschool crush.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by canon
The writers for Crimson and Promise were both Souders and Peterson. In Crimson, they had Martha tell Clark to leave Lana alone. In Promise, they had Martha do a 180 to go for Lana. Did the writers forget? classic memory wipe?

they're also the geniuses who brought us such memorable episodes like nocturne, and wreckoning.


Originally posted by Nospam
When someone, anyone, can elucidate a reason why Clark and Lana are good together other "they look pretty" I might start to believe it's anything but an adolescent, highschool crush.

there's no answer...why because logically clana is just a "clusterf***" to quote nospam ;)

[Luv Clana/Hate Lexana]

Originally posted by Nospam
When someone, anyone, can elucidate a reason why Clark and Lana are good together other "they look pretty" I might start to believe it's anything but an adolescent, highschool crush.

Uh, they love each other?

Why is it that a lot of other shippers seem to think that Clana fans only like Clana because "they look pretty"? Yeah, you get the occasional casual fan who will post, "Oh My God! Clana = Hot!!!!!" But you see that for every ship.

[jr23344]

To go along with Routh's character assasinations.....can someone tell me exactly who's the hero and who's the villain? Honestly, none of the characters are stepping up to the legends their supposed to be. Can superman be a savior when he caused half the problems? I'm really struggling to see a distinction here.

[pissedoff]

Well even in the movies He usally is the reason for whatever is happenning. Like in SR Lex uses Supermans krystals to distroy the world, if he wasn't here Lex wouldn't not of had that chance.
Superman two, if he would have not trown the bobm in to spance like he did Zod would have not be freed. Superman 4, Lex used supes DNA to create that stupid guy.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
Uh, they love each other?

Why is it that a lot of other shippers seem to think that Clana fans only like Clana because "they look pretty"? Yeah, you get the occasional casual fan who will post, "Oh My God! Clana = Hot!!!!!" But you see that for every ship.

You are going to need more than that.

Clark himself has never been able to elaborate on his attraction for Lana other than she is beautiful and he thinks she is perfect (his own words). At every opportunity TPTB have characterized his attraction as superficial and one dimensional with statements by Clark like, "I loved you at first sight" and "You are perfect" (I am paraphrasing). Even Chloe called Clark and Lana Smallville's version of Ken and Barbie; there is absolutely no substance to the attraction. No shared values, dreams, hopes or ambitions. Just a teenage fantasy characterized by "love at first sight".

It might work on teenagers, but us cyncial old farts need substance and shared values to believe in romance.

[lilkoolmaria]

I honestly can't even tell at this point.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by Nospam
You are going to need more than that.

Clark himself has never been able to elaborate on his attraction for Lana other than she is beautiful and he thinks she is perfect (his own words). At every opportunity TPTB have characterized his attraction as superficial and one dimensional with statements by Clark like, "I loved you at first sight" and "You are perfect" (I am paraphrasing). Even Chloe called Clark and Lana Smallville's version of Ken and Barbie; there is absolutely no substance to the attraction. No shared values, dreams, hopes or ambitions. Just a teenage fantasy characterized by "love at first sight".

It might work on teenagers, but us cyncial old farts need substance and shared values to believe in romance.

WORD.

[Ginx]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Sure, love conquers all if you live in a chick flick. If you live in the real world like the rest of us, sometimes you use your brain before your heart and act like an adult would do.

hahahahhahahaa....that is right on!!! :D

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
Uh, they love each other?



well i love jack daniels, but it aint good for me.

[Bumperjeep]

Originally posted by thehenry89
well i love jack daniels, but it aint good for me.
lol.
this episode was soooo wierd. were did all of these thingsd come from?!

[greenlanternfan828]

it seems like everyone one this site hates smallville why i love this show and as for clark causing all the problems they couldnt introduce zoners without clark releasing them and clark doesnt mean to cause the problems

[lilkoolmaria]

Yes, but it wouldn't hurt for the TPTB to write Clark with a bit more common sense some of the time.

[paolinki25]

Exactly. I can apologize Clark for making mistakes and such. I mean, who hasn't made a mistake in his life? But the fact that he keeps falling over and over again on the same mistakes is just bad. Sometimes, I believe, he stills has the mentality of a child who doesn't see consequences for his actions.

[caradoc]

Originally posted by supermanfan04
i agree with both Routh and SmallvilleMan. a loveless marriage is awful, and hydro and crimson were all about clark and lana's feelings for each other. but lionel caring about lex? what? and letting lana go before losing his father? but Routh i'm siding with SmallvilleMan on the homewrecker front. there really was no home to wreck. think about lana's disgusting looks when lex kisses her and their happyless thanksgiving dinner...not what i like to call an established home...

I don't excuse the behavior. I just said that the characterization was consistent.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by Nospam
The thing that most sticks in my craw is the morally reprehensible behavior of Clark on Lana's wedding day; they've turned the Man of Steel into a homewrecker. Think about that for second.
and they turned him into a gigantic cry baby.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
Uh, they love each other?

That, in and of itself, is a debateable truth. But for the sake of argument, say they do. That just somehow magically erases their sense of morality? Their ability to remember the past and learn from it rather than try to repeat it over and over with the same unsuccessful results? The fact that, whether or not Lana had actually married Lex yet, she made a conscious decision to accept his proposal after she'd already had plenty of time to think about it before, and now she's just off the hook? And suddenly, Clark can just do what he wants on someone else's wedding day, consequences be damned.

Anyone can say they love someone, but take a look at how the two of them acted. In this case, where a lifelong commitment and a CHILD are involved, the two of them would've benefitted from a more prudent approach.

Lana looked at her situation -- the situation she put herself in -- weighed her options, and decided the MOST IMPORTANT THING at that time was finding out Clark's secret any way she could. Like it was the linchpin holding her life together -- completely knowledge of someone else's life. Unbelievably narcissitic, but I digress. She didn't even stop there. It would've been completely different if she was just content that she finally knew. No. With that knowledge, she decided right away that she should abandon her groom and FATHER OF HER CHILD on their wedding day and run away with her ex-boyfriend, whom she basically tricked into involuntarily coming clean about a secret that really wasn't any of her business.

And then we have Clark. Clearly, a person in his position has no call to make a blanket statement about his whole life and say that letting go of his high school girlfriend was the HARDEST THING HE HAD TO DO. That's says nothing of his love for her...that just makes him sound stupid and immature. Routh has already hit on this, and brilliantly so, but carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders isn't harder than losing Lana? Being alone on a constantly endangered planet isn't harder than losing Lana? Witnessing and having to live with the DEATH OF HIS FATHER as a consequence of HIS ACTIONS wasn't harder than losing Lana? Forgive me if I'm not willing to accept the emotional stability of someone who can jump to conclusions like that. Oh right, then decide it's fine for him to stand in the way of a marriage ceremony so he can have his prize.

The actions of two people in love?

Love isn't everything; it's not a bandaid fix; it doesn't make everything wonderful and sunny and perfect. And it requires a whole hell of a lot more to go on than some idealistic obsession if it's meant to last.

The mature thing for Lana to have done would've been to accept that maybe every bit of knowledge isn't meant for her. She'd made her decision, and she should've stuck with it. Not selfishly decided how best to move people around like chess pieces so she could obtain a goal most beneficial to herself.

The mature thing for Clark to have done would've been to take Chloe and Martha's a$$backwards advice and realize that, while it's tempting to want to make the grand gesture and sweep in to save the day, there's such a thing as looking at the big picture. In the long run, what could he have offered Lana? What did his near desperate feelings say about where he'd let himself go in regards to their relationship? He should've stepped back, taken a deep breath, and stuck to his guns. You try and build from your past mistakes, not avidly seek for ways to repeat them again and again. Life isn't about getting what you want all the time. That's a no-less selfish approach than the one Lana had.

And if you want to know the truth, if this were a real life situation, I'm so sure no one would be fainting over the feel-goods and say "Aww they're so in love" just because the three words come out of their mouths every so often.

Erm...rant over.

[vikingjedi]

A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

Chloe has sat back for the past year and a half and watched Lana's life be destroyed because Clark hid his secret from her. Its about time she stood up for Lana

And Chloe has revealed her true feelings to Clark but Clark didn't feel the same way


A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

Lionel doesn't care about the wedding. He cares about manipulating everybody to get to Clark. Thats why he has been with Martha


A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

She never loved him in the first place. Lex manipulated her from day one. Once she found out the truth she tried to bolt


A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

Nothing secret about it, Clark has never gotten over Lana. This whole season has focused on Clark battling Lex for Lana. The only thing that kept Clark and Lana apart was his secret. With that out of the way there was nothing to stop them from getting married


A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

If you love somebody you do everything you can to make it work. This was Clark's last chance to save Lana from Lex


A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

Why wouldn't she? Lex is evil and Martha knows Clark still loves Lana. All the problems between Clark and Lana were because of him hiding his secret from her, and most of the path that Lana has been on has been a result of Clark not telling her the truth

[freefall]

Originally posted by thehenry89
they're also the geniuses who brought us such memorable episodes like nocturne, and wreckoning.


Like I've done a few times before in other threads/forums, I'm going to stand up for the Souders/Paterson team here. Considering how they've also written very good episodes for this season like Arrow, Hydro and Crimson (from a Clois perspective), I'm speculating that they've been forced to rewrite Promise by AlMiles and the other producers. Episodes like Vessel, Labyrinth (also by Souders/Paterson) and Wither have also gone through lots of rewrites, and look how absolutely lackluster those episodes are.


Originally posted by Nospam
It might work on teenagers, but us cyncial old farts need substance and shared values to believe in romance.

I'm definitely not a "cynical old fart" Nospam :) But Clana still just flies over my head, even as a teenager when I first watched Smallville, and I couldn't care less where it ends up.

I actually laughed out loud when they showed Clark shooting heat visions when he saw Lana for the "first time" in Blank. Tinkling music and whatnots, pfft. It simply reinforced what I've thought about Clana all along, it's only about shallow lust and sexual attraction, nothing more.


Originally posted by vikingjedi
Chloe has sat back for the past year and a half and watched Lana's life be destroyed because Clark hid his secret from her. Its about time she stood up for Lana.

And Chloe has revealed her true feelings to Clark but Clark didn't feel the same way


So no one on this show knows anymore the concept of making choices and dealing with the consequences themselves? Why put the blame for Lana's destroying her own life on Clark? She made her own bed and should lie on it. Clark himself is definitely not blameless, but Lana is no martyr or a victim either.

As for Chloe, she's just a plot device at this point of time. Not only her character has been reduced to being a plot device, but even has to go through its own character assassination.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

Lionel doesn't care about the wedding. He cares about manipulating everybody to get to Clark. Thats why he has been with Martha


This one I agree with. No way Lionel is doing all that just out of the kindness of his own heart.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

She never loved him in the first place. Lex manipulated her from day one. Once she found out the truth she tried to bolt


So now Lana has no brain of her own? Everyone has been telling her how dangerous Lex is since last year, it's her who doesn't want to listen. Don't make out Lana as the victim here. Hell, she herself saw how dangerous Lex could be, per Mortal when Lex staged that whole scheme to expose Clark.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

Nothing secret about it, Clark has never gotten over Lana. This whole season has focused on Clark battling Lex for Lana. The only thing that kept Clark and Lana apart was his secret. With that out of the way there was nothing to stop them from getting married


This whole season has been focusing on "Clark battling Lex over Lana"? Are we watching the same show? Did episodes like Zod, Arrow, Fallout and Justice got suddenly thrown out of the window? Even in episodes like Hydro and Crimson and Labyrinth, at least Clark still has the decency to behave like a man, who wished Lana and Lex well in their relationship, not to mention he also apologized to Lex in Trespass for ruining his engagement party. Zod thru Subterranean were great in terms of Clark's character developments.

Nope, no "Clark battling Lex for Lana during the whole season". That's what makes Promise as totally BS.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

If you love somebody you do everything you can to make it work. This was Clark's last chance to save Lana from Lex


On the wedding day itself? Sorry, that's not "making it word", that's being dishonourable, pathetic, a backstabber and other vile adjectives you can think of.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

Why wouldn't she? Lex is evil and Martha knows Clark still loves Lana. All the problems between Clark and Lana were because of him hiding his secret from her, and most of the path that Lana has been on has been a result of Clark not telling her the truth

As the case with Chloe, Martha currently is just a plot device, who unfortunately also has go through a character assassination as well. They're both Pod Chloe and Pod Martha in this episode.

[Chiriru]

I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

Seriously! I hope it's back to normal next week; though I have to wonder if just physically having the character of Jonathan around would of made sure this was never written (Because Jonathan was our 'moral touchstone' and wouldn't of let his son think it's an OK thing to do.)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Chiriru
Seriously! I hope it's back to normal next week...
Yeah, well.... But isn't that just as upsetting??? One week Chloe is abducted and tortured, by Lex's people - the next week she's at his wedding, as the maid of honor??? As if nothing had happened.

I am sick of the 'back to normal' routine... How about some development?
Is it really too much to ask???

[vikingjedi]

So no one on this show knows anymore the concept of making choices and dealing with the consequences themselves? Why put the blame for Lana's destroying her own life on Clark? She made her own bed and should lie on it. Clark himself is definitely not blameless, but Lana is no martyr or a victim either.

As for Chloe, she's just a plot device at this point of time. Not only her character has been reduced to being a plot device, but even has to go through its own character assassination.

Clark's lying is what put Lana on the path she's on. She is partly responsible but so is Clark. Chloe was put right in the middle of her two best friends. IMO Chloe is more important to the show than Clark is right now. She has become the center of it all



This one I agree with. No way Lionel is doing all that just out of the kindness of his own heart.

Agreed


So now Lana has no brain of her own? Everyone has been telling her how dangerous Lex is since last year, it's her who doesn't want to listen. Don't make out Lana as the victim here. Hell, she herself saw how dangerous Lex could be, per Mortal when Lex staged that whole scheme to expose Clark.

She has a brain but she has been manipulated by Lex, who is supposed to be an evil genius. Look what Lionel is doing to her now. She wouldn't even be in this situation if Clark had trusted her to begin with and not lied to her. Plus it's even harder for Lana to leave the relationship now that she thinks she's pregnant


This whole season has been focusing on "Clark battling Lex over Lana"? Are we watching the same show? Did episodes like Zod, Arrow, Fallout and Justice got suddenly thrown out of the window? Even in episodes like Hydro and Crimson and Labyrinth, at least Clark still has the decency to behave like a man, who wished Lana and Lex well in their relationship, not to mention he also apologized to Lex in Trespass for ruining his engagement party. Zod thru Subterranean were great in terms of Clark's character developments.

Nope, no "Clark battling Lex for Lana during the whole season". That's what makes Promise as totally BS.

During the season we've seen a lot of scenes with Clark still caring about Lana and Lex basically telling him to stay away. It was Chloe who made Clark wake up and realize that if he didn't do something his secret would have partially caused Lana to marry Lex

There have been other episodes about Clark moving towards becoming superman, but it always seems to come back to Lana. And thats what this whole show has been about, Clark choosing his destiny - being with Lana or becoming Superman



On the wedding day itself? Sorry, that's not "making it word", that's being dishonourable, pathetic, a backstabber and other vile adjectives you can think of.

I don't think its being dishonorable. He's trying to save her. It was a last resort


As the case with Chloe, Martha currently is just a plot device, who unfortunately also has go through a character assassination as well. They're both Pod Chloe and Pod Martha in this episode. [/B]

I agree about Martha, she is just a plot device now. She hasn't been a real factor in the show for a long time. Besides being in office she hasn't done much of anything this season

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
I agree about Martha, she is just a plot device now.
....and so is Chloe, I am afraid.
Sure, TPTB think they can throw us a bone with the whole Meteor Freak storyline. Big deal, these epis might be Chloe-centric, but they still suck...

[paolinki25]

I don't know (nor care at this point) if Lana does love Lex or not. I believe Lex loves her, and it's completely heartless to go and marry a guy if you're not sure how you feel about him. Like I said, I've always believed Lana only loves herself, hence her irracional attitude towards everything. This girl needs to be ALONE, and that means NOT getting involved with ANY men for a long, long while.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by seacrystal

So no one on this show knows anymore the concept of making choices and dealing with the consequences themselves? Why put the blame for Lana's destroying her own life on Clark? She made her own bed and should lie on it. Clark himself is definitely not blameless, but Lana is no martyr or a victim either.


Exactly, and even Lana didn't blame Clark in Promise for her being with Lex so no excuses should be made for Lana when it comes to that. I'm glad she acknowledged that Clark WAS trying to protect her and instead, didn't blame him for everything that was wrong in her life. It was all her doing and now she will have to deal with the consequences of being married to Lex.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by caradoc
This may not be so out of character. Let's see.

Chloe has always thought that Lex is bad for Lana. And one of the main themes of Smallville is sacrifice.

Lionel is now nicely positioned to use Lana and Lex against each other. He is now in full control.

For her, Lex has always been a surrogate for Clark.

He has always loved her. He decided to propose that day, once he knew she was coming back.

Clana? I'm not sure what you mean here. Lana made it clear that she did not want to marry Lex and was going to Clark until Lionel stepped in.

She wants what's best for him, doesn't she?

That's your choice, but these are the same characters behaving as they always have. At least as I see it.

I agree. To me everything was believeable except maybe Martha telling Clark to go after Lana.

[cygnusx1]

Originally posted by Chiriru
Seriously! I hope it's back to normal next week; though I have to wonder if just physically having the character of Jonathan around would of made sure this was never written (Because Jonathan was our 'moral touchstone' and wouldn't of let his son think it's an OK thing to do.)

i am in total agreement. tptb really needs to incorporate another scene like at the end of void where jk is talking to clark about his destiny and why it needs to be embraced.

[freefall]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
Clark's lying is what put Lana on the path she's on. She is partly responsible but so is Clark. Chloe was put right in the middle of her two best friends. IMO Chloe is more important to the show than Clark is right now. She has become the center of it all


Clark's lying is what put Lana on the path she's on? No offense, but that absolutely doesn't make sense at all. Like I've said earlier, she has her own brain. Put it to good use. She knows what's right and what's wrong. Chloe and Clark has been telling her since last year Lex's dangerous. Hell, she herself knows Lex is dangerous. She lies and goes through underhanded methods herself, and puts people in difficult positions all the time.

Chloe, more important to show? A plot device like her? She's not trapped between two friends, she simply doesn't know what a friend or friendship means anymore. Either she worships them like she did with Clark, or she simply lets them get away with all the crap they put her through, like Lana did with her. She hardly has any self-esteem and self-respect left, just like with Clark in this episode who actually lost them all.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

She has a brain but she has been manipulated by Lex, who is supposed to be an evil genius. Look what Lionel is doing to her now. She wouldn't even be in this situation if Clark had trusted her to begin with and not lied to her. Plus it's even harder for Lana to leave the relationship now that she thinks she's pregnant.


She's a manipulator herself, and had gotten on her high horses claiming she's his "equal" and playing the cat and mouse game on his level. Who's manipulating who here? By the way, Lex is not evil. He's just a pathetic, desperate man doomed to lose his balls, spine and soul just because of Lana Lang, a curse that goes with the territory of anyone getting involved with her.

Hard for Lana to leave the relationship because she's pregnant? This is not the 14th century anymore, there are plenty of teenaged/young single mothers who did just fine. It's not like the society itself is going to shun people like her.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

During the season we've seen a lot of scenes with Clark still caring about Lana and Lex basically telling him to stay away. It was Chloe who made Clark wake up and realize that if he didn't do something his secret would have partially caused Lana to marry Lex


There's a HUGE difference between caring for someone and trying to be a homewrecker.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

There have been other episodes about Clark moving towards becoming superman, but it always seems to come back to Lana. And thats what this whole show has been about, Clark choosing his destiny - being with Lana or becoming Superman


Even without Lana in the picture, Clark still has yet to embrace that destiny, whatever that is. He's still lightyears away from being a hero, let alone being Superman. He can't even get a grip on himself WRT his own emotional maturity.


Originally posted by vikingjedi

I don't think its being dishonorable. He's trying to save her. It was a last resort


On her freaking wedding day? Sorry I'd just never buy it. That's not "saving", that's just plain wrong and being a backstabber.

[vikingjedi]

Clark's lying is what put Lana on the path she's on? No offense, but that absolutely doesn't make sense at all. Like I've said earlier, she has her own brain. Put it to good use. She knows what's right and what's wrong. Chloe and Clark has been telling her since last year Lex's dangerous. Hell, she herself knows Lex is dangerous. She lies and goes through underhanded methods herself, and puts people in difficult positions all the time.

It makes sense to me because Clark's actions took that choice away from her. So she's on the rebound and Lex swoops in like a vulture. He throws everything he has at her and this is right after she has been destroyed. As a result she clings to the one person thats there for her. Lana is at fault for making her own decisions but Clark's lying deceived her and gave Lex an advantage


Chloe, more important to show? A plot device like her? She's not trapped between two friends, she simply doesn't know what a friend or friendship means anymore. Either she worships them like she did with Clark, or she simply lets them get away with all the crap they put her through, like Lana did with her. She hardly has any self-esteem and self-respect left, just like with Clark in this episode who actually lost them all.


Chloe is like Supergirl. She knows everything thats going on and keeps it to herself. While Clark was confiding in her, Lana was doing the same thing and Chloe couldn't say a word. Thats why she finally stood up in this episode and told Clark to fix it



She's a manipulator herself, and had gotten on her high horses claiming she's his "equal" and playing the cat and mouse game on his level. Who's manipulating who here? By the way, Lex is not evil. He's just a pathetic, desperate man doomed to lose his balls, spine and soul just because of Lana Lang, a curse that goes with the territory of anyone getting involved with her.

Lex is the definition of evil. He just murdered a dude in cold blood because he was trying to blackmail Lex. If anything losing Lana will cause Lex to lose it and go crazy. She won't destroy him, her leaving will cause him to take the final step to the darkside


Hard for Lana to leave the relationship because she's pregnant? This is not the 14th century anymore, there are plenty of teenaged/young single mothers who did just fine. It's not like the society itself is going to shun people like her.

Of course you can leave a relationship if you're pregnant, but adding a pregnancy does make it harder to leave. Now that there's a child involved it just complicates things



There's a HUGE difference between caring for someone and trying to be a homewrecker.

I agree, in this case I don't think Clark was trying to be a homewrecker. Chloe went out of her way to try to put Clark on the right path and open his eyes. Finally Clark got it and tried to save Lana. And she did need saving because people were using Clark's secret to manipulate her. She didn't have all the facts



Even without Lana in the picture, Clark still has yet to embrace that destiny, whatever that is. He's still lightyears away from being a hero, let alone being Superman. He can't even get a grip on himself WRT his own emotional maturity.

Lana never left the picture. She has been there the whole time. Thats why he hasn't been able to move forward. Until this thing with Lana is resolved he won't completely embrace his destiny


On her freaking wedding day? Sorry I'd just never buy it. That's not "saving", that's just plain wrong and being a backstabber.

Remember it was Lana's best friend Chloe who BEGGED Clark to do something to stop the wedding. She was the only one who knew everything on both sides. Clark took her advice and tried to save his friend by finally telling her the truth so she could make up her mind clearly with all of the facts

[777Flash]

Oh Paaaaaleeeese! This was a great episode. Things are winding down so you got to expect some crazyness. Clark and Chloe were trying to protect Lana from Lex. Lionel always has an ulterior motive. Lex is desparate. Martha wants her son to be happy. Maybe she knows Lex is evil too.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Chiriru
Seriously! I hope it's back to normal next week;
You know chiri I think that is exactly the problem with this show they put is to crap like this and act like anything happens the week after because they know we are going to eat it with a spoon. We need to show them that watching a show and playing yo-yo are not the same thing, IMO.

[Runestone]

It's episodes like this that make me realise that the only reason I still watch this show is not that it's a great show, but because I'm addicted.

[Simba_Muffy]

Forum Rules. I never thought it was possible to hate your own show. I mean despise your own show and Superman and other characters. You have hate your own show and the Superman mythology to write something like that! Go to hell.:mad:

It's so pathetic it's actually funny!:lol:

[Raistlin]

A Chloe who tells Clark to break up Lexana? A Chloe who tells Clark that he's not revealing his "true feelings" because he's afraid to get hurt, even though she's done the same thing?

Question. I assume you watched all of the season, so did you just ignore the parts where Chloe voiced her thoughts on the subject of Clark's feelings and Lana marrying Lex?


A Lionel Luthor who gives a crap about Lana marrying Lex?

Lionel Luthor could give 2 turds about Lana marrying Lex. So, if he's pressuring her to marry him, there is a Luthor game afoot.


A Lana who suddenly doesn't love Lex?

Lana has always had reservations about Lex and you would have done better to ask "a Lana who suddenly doesn't love Clark?"


A Clark who apparently has secretly loved Lana all season and was planning on proposing to her? The hell?

Clark never stopped loving Lana. He lied to her, he engaged in first class denial, but if you paid any attention to Labryinth, you heard him say he still loved her.


A Clana who wants to break up Lexana, even though they're still together, and it's their wedding day, and Lana's pregnant?

Damn skippy.


A Martha who says to Clark that it's okay to try to break up Lexana?

When did Martha say that? Martha has flip-flopped so much with her advice to Clark I got whiplash.


I have nothing left to say to you, Smallville. I hate what you've done to my characters.

Seems like you were looking at the characters the way you wanted them to be instead of the way they actually were.