Angry mob thread

[MetroGirl06]

Rant and rave here! ;)

I'll go first. CLARK IS SUCH A GIRL!

Everyone elses turn! All are welcome to rant and rave about one thing or another about this episode!

[jimintn]

It SUCKED!!!

I know that Lana and Clark don't end up together, but NEITHER DO LANA AND LEX!

I mean, I know there are some gray areas that the show can delve into, but there are some things that should be set in stone.
1. Clark becomes Superman
2. Lois and Clark marry
3. Lex becomes Superman's arch enemy (and as far as I know, never marries)

I think if they're going to ignore the Superman history in this case, what's the use of ANY of the above happening, either?

[wolverine316]

Chloe is such a WITCH!!! People who live in glass houses.......Get off your high horse where Clark is concerned and look in the mirror.

[thehenry89]

this episode was nothing but a pointless exercise in clana worship. clark hasn't grown or learned anything at all. he still the same emotionally retarded teenager he was in season one, and lana is still the same damsel in distress "help me clark i cant think for myself" sycophant she's been since day one. chloe was completly out of charachter, and she was treated like dog poo unjustly. martha went from giving her son sage advice in crimson to flip flopping into a wet noodle. the only thing that kept me from putting my foot through my tv was lionel, and shelby.

[meggy]

unfortunately, Clark and Lex are enemies because Lex stole Clark's girl. that's the main reason....33.1, experimenting on best friends, killing ppl, and other evil schemes are just a side matter.....not quite as important as stealing girls away....not at all


i concur thehenry89...tonight, everybody went OOC for the sake of Clana....honestly, the Clana isnt what bothers me as such...it's the fact that everyone's opinions since Freak and Crimson have changed AGAIN..and everyone and everything must be put aside,put down, and pooped upon to worship the Clana

[Lostfan588]

Chloe pulling a 180 form Feak...tho i cant really blame her since clark's acting like such a mope and she j wants him to be happy.

What like 2 episodes ago didnt Martha j tell Clark to "stay away from that girl!"

Clark was gonna propose...AGAIN??? :lol:


Lex and Lionel rocked this eppy...all I gotta say i thank god for Lionel....I think Clarks gonna start to move on the next few eppys after that last impression Lana left on him.

[jimmyolsenblues]

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[meteor_phreak]

lex definitely lost some of my respect this time...he was such a wuss, and when the MB b-slapped him i shouted "thank you" at my tv.

[MetroGirl06]

Sorry, the thread title was just an attempt at humor, I just inteneded this to let people vent. :D

[TheRowdy]

Originally posted by thehenry89
this episode was nothing but a pointless exercise in clana worship. clark hasn't grown or learned anything at all. he still the same emotionally retarded teenager he was in season one, and lana is still the same damsel in distress "help me clark i cant think for myself" sycophant she's been since day one. chloe was completly out of charachter, and she was treated like dog poo unjustly. martha went from giving her son sage advice in crimson to flip flopping into a wet noodle. the only thing that kept me from putting my foot through my tv was lionel, and shelby.

I couldn't agree more with EVERYTHING you said.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
lex definitely lost some of my respect this time...he was such a wuss, and when the MB b-slapped him i shouted "thank you" at my tv.

while lionel was in a slapping mood he should have put on his kryptonite ring and smacked some sense into clark. what was he thinking?!?!

[TheRowdy]

Originally posted by wolverine316
Chloe is such a WITCH!!! People who live in glass houses.......Get off your high horse where Clark is concerned and look in the mirror.

I have no idea why Chloe would be a witch in this episode either?

[MetroGirl06]

Sure Clark, propose to lana on her wedding day! Thats a great idea! Sucker....

[thehenry89]

clark was a complete wuss this episode

[Deana]

Clark, the manhunter failed. Batista did take your spine.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by TheRowdy
I have no idea why Chloe would be a witch in this episode either?

You should see the post they left in the love it hate it thread :rolleyes: Chloe did a noble/right thing. She knew clark would be the only way for Lana not to marry lex

[LuthorKent90]

Lex is a tramp! :lol:
Lionels... a brown noser.
Clark is a wuss.
Lanas a dunce.

[CountryGirl84]

Originally posted by thehenry89
martha went from giving her son sage advice in crimson to flip flopping into a wet noodle.
I really have to agree with this point. I couldn't stop thinking about this the ENTIRE scene with Clark and his mom. It was SO out of character.


Originally posted by Lostfan588

Clark was gonna propose...AGAIN??? :lol:


Yeah..... ummmm can the writers get some inspiration from something other than... past episodes? We've seen this scene before. In Reckoning. We all know how it turned out. And now on her wedding day no less... That just makes it worse.


I'm kind of disapointed with "Lex at his darkest." I don't think accidental murder over the thought of losing Lana is his darkest. It was kind of clumsy. Sometimes I wish they would make Lex into the seriously skilled mastermind criminal that he should be. I guess he has a lot to learn from Lionel still.

[Ville317]

Originally posted by thehenry89
this episode was nothing but a pointless exercise in clana worship. clark hasn't grown or learned anything at all. he still the same emotionally retarded teenager he was in season one, and lana is still the same damsel in distress "help me clark i cant think for myself" sycophant she's been since day one. chloe was completly out of charachter, and she was treated like dog poo unjustly. martha went from giving her son sage advice in crimson to flip flopping into a wet noodle. the only thing that kept me from putting my foot through my tv was lionel, and shelby.


And Lionel and Lex made me want to put my foot through the television. Character development, minus the Lionel 180, was finally portrayed correctly in this episode though. Lex is the one who needs to get over Lana in order to grow. As Lionel said "She's made you desperate son." As far as Martha's sage advice in crimson, that was out of character. At least she supported her son in this episode. Dialogue and character development, except Lionel's 180, were great. The Lexana marriage was awful.

[miyagi0486]

Originally posted by jimintn
It SUCKED!!!

I know that Lana and Clark don't end up together, but NEITHER DO LANA AND LEX!

I mean, I know there are some gray areas that the show can delve into, but there are some things that should be set in stone.
1. Clark becomes Superman
2. Lois and Clark marry
3. Lex becomes Superman's arch enemy (and as far as I know, never marries)

I think if they're going to ignore the Superman history in this case, what's the use of ANY of the above happening, either?

First of all, since when has smallville not ignored the mythology. I could think of over a dozen examples of Smallville ignoring the Superman mythology since that was one of the premises to the show in the first place i.e. meteor freaks, Clark and Lex actually being friends at one time, the addition of Chloe just to name a few. As far as the list of mythology that should be set in stone, none of that has been ignored as of yet. Clark has not become something other than Superman, and we have been told countless times that he WILL NOT become Superman in this series, Clark hasn't married yet (unless you count him and Alicia) and no one has said he won't marry Lois, and as far as I can tell Lex IS becoming Clark's archenemy. Oh and by the way, he has married once already in this series, remember, so whats the big deal if he does it again. Oh and who actually thinks that they are going to stay together anyway.

[Gabreya]

Originally posted by wolverine316
Chloe is such a WITCH!!! People who live in glass houses.......Get off your high horse where Clark is concerned and look in the mirror.
Word! Straight up! I so loathe her!

[cmm]

I didn't like this episode either. This was the episode of smallville in season 5 where jonathon kent dies, only this time it's Lana doing the heart breaking instead of clark. I thought it was pointless and unecessary to do it again. We knew that eventually lana and lex were gonna get married, but was it really necessary to dedicate an entire episode to their wedding day?? That's a bit much, I want to see the other zoners and what they can do. As for Chloe being a witch she's just a good friend, the objective one however, I will say though that her telling clark to tell lana was a bit ooc though. Usually she just accepts his decisions and respects him, in this episode she flat out told him in not so many words he was stupid for doing what he wad doing.

[MetroGirl06]

Shelby should have more lines!

[Who]

Originally posted by MetroGirl06
Shelby should have more lines!

I just about to say that this episode needed more Shelby!
They introduced each person's day with a nightmare or dream. What about Shelby's dream?! :mad:

[Kal-El Reeve]

Originally posted by miyagi0486
First of all, since when has smallville not ignored the mythology. I could think of over a dozen examples of Smallville ignoring the Superman mythology since that was one of the premises to the show in the first place i.e. meteor freaks, Clark and Lex actually being friends at one time, the addition of Chloe just to name a few. As far as the list of mythology that should be set in stone, none of that has been ignored as of yet. Clark has not become something other than Superman, and we have been told countless times that he WILL NOT become Superman in this series, Clark hasn't married yet (unless you count him and Alicia) and no one has said he won't marry Lois, and as far as I can tell Lex IS becoming Clark's archenemy. Oh and by the way, he has married once already in this series, remember, so whats the big deal if he does it again. Oh and who actually thinks that they are going to stay together anyway.

To be fair in the Silver Age mythology Lex and Clark were friends

[InLove_with_Chloe]

This Clark Kent will become Lanaman, or maybe Mopeyman, but NEVER will he become Superman...

[hemmy]

God this message board needs a crying like a b*tch emotion so you guys can see visually how annoying all this hate is for a good episode

Most of you gave yourself no chance to like it from the earliest spoliers

[meggy]

i dont think Chloe was a witch...but let me put character preferences aside and give the benefit of the doubt....

so Chloe is a witch and she should look into a mirror and do what she told Clark to do right? so, ok..i think she suggested Clark do a number of things, basically: (1)tell Lana who he is and how he feels about her and (2) tell Lana how bad Lex is so he can save the day...

ok..let's think about Chloe taking her own advice:

starting with #2: already tried that...numerous times...trying to raise the red flag on Lex....apparently, she's not doing enough...but there is only so much one can do..it is up to the other person to listen....

#1: i assume when we say look in the mirror here, we mean she is doing with clark the same thing he is doing with Lana..not telling his feelings...ok....

so let's say Chloe tells Clark her feelings. what are we going to get then? i'll tell everyone: "Chloe is pathetic to pine over him still", "He'll never love you", "She's been rejected so many times, why cant she just get it in her head"...on and on....

either way, it's a loose-loose situation for her.

[freefall]

I do give Chloe benefit of the doubt. Some people were ragging on her for attending the wedding just because she has promised Lana to stand up with her as her bridesmaid. But I was definitely on her side with this one.

But with her giving sage advices for Clark to practically break up Lexana on their wedding day? That goes beyond having a serious character flaw, and this has nothing to do with Clark's feelings, her feelings or whoever else's feelings. It's simply inexcusable, they have no sense of honour and respect at least for themselves at all.

She doesn't have to say anything WRT Lexana at all. They're getting married, and it's Lex's and Lana's own decisions. She has no business to tell Clark to "save" Lana for the nth time, not to mention exactly on her wedding day itself. Add Martha to the Homewrecker Team and Clark as the ringleader, and we're all set to go.

For the record, no I don't think Chloe's a witch in this episode. It's simply her character who has been assassinated to the highest degree.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by hemmy
Most of you gave yourself no chance to like it from the earliest spoliers
No. This would've been a great epi back in S2, S3.... But now it was just plain ridiculous.... Funny even, by times. I mean, TPTB behaved like the last 2 seasons simply never happened!!!

[staph]

Some of the worst writing of any show ever. This says a lot since most of the other episodes of smallville suck too. Maybe a new cast of writers will be appropriate. This episode was not only retarded but so unrealistic. " I will kill Clark" " Oh deary me, I guess I better marry Lex and not ask if it is true about his weakness" " God forbid I ask Chloe in confidence" Plain stupid. And for the LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!!!! You stupid ass writers, can you please possibly, possibly, possibly, maybe perhaps, use another line besides "Look me in the eyes and tell me......" Man has this card been played a few thousand milliion billion gazillion times already. Every epiosde "I think" Morons........Learn to write and maybe your ratings won't suck so bad. Jesus even Ugley Betty beat the show in ratings by triple.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I don't know if I will ever recover from all those 'I love you's that Clark fired off today...
Not after watching over the last 6 years.

[staph]

I agree whole heartedly. It is getting. no scratch that, it is what it is " stupid" This show has finally reached a point of plain ole' crap. This is the best they have after a lay off of a month. Say goodbye to another million or so viewers. They will be replaced by curious first timers or people just tuning in for the heck of it. This will level the ratings like usual, but imagine if the show had better staffing and actually kept most of the fans watching. WOW they could have near ten million a week. They just can't write well enough to keep the interest of every fan that ever watched the show at one point or another. Even Ugly Betty did 3 times better at the ratings. This is sad.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by staph
... but imagine if the show had better staffing and actually kept most of the fans watching. WOW they could have near ten million a week. They just can't write well enough to keep the interest of every fan that ever watched the show at one point or another.
I can't help feeling the same....
And ironically I think TPTB are trying to please everyone, actually... The result? Everyone ends up being upset.
:\

[msleggie]

I thought the episode was good and the acting was great. But clark is such a little punk! He is a whininig little girl with no balls and needs to get a life! When he was crying at the end of the episode, I wanted to jump in the tv and smack the taste out of his mouth! We go through this every season, clark whining over lana, it's about time he realized she doesn't want him! She said I Do to another man, and what about lex in this episode. He goes from killing a guy to begging his daddy not to foil his keep lana efforts. He deserved to be slapped! Chloe was no better in this episode, she waits to the day of her so called bestfriend's wedding to get all big and bad on clark about saving lana! Lana has made her choice, now she must live with it! What kind of friend is chloe anyway? Chloe needs to be that forward with lana like she is with clark. The only person I actually enjoyed watching was lionel, he was great! I still can't get over how clark was such a little cry baby! He upset me the most in this episode, I hope he can some how make up for his terrible behavior before the finale.

[cj_wow]

Clark should go rogue and start killing Luthors. Lana should go off and marry Pete like in the comics, and Chloe, who the heck was she anyway! Clois!!!!!!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by msleggie
The only person I actually enjoyed watching was lionel, he was great!
I agree.

[Indira Kal]

uhhh, for watching lana first say she'll not marry lex and then go ahead and marry him and say bye bye to clark, leaving him so heartbroken in the end, i really didn't see such great emotion and even tears coming from clark at the conclusion of the ep. ya would've thought he would have at least shed a torturous tear for what he just witnessed with the love of his life turning him away... i don't think tom welling's acting is all that good when it comes to portraying emotions with lana. i think kristen shows more heartbroken expressions that tom... imo

[staph]

Msleggie, You are a very disturbing poster and very ambiguous at best. Your post starts off claiming the epi to be some great revelation but then belittle everyone in it. Which is it you liked it or hated it? By the way Lana did not marry Lex, she was "forced". I use that term lightly because in the real world the plot is retarded, but for arguments sake lets just say that she is forced to do so in the fake world of Smallville.

[Rachel B]

I did not enjoy this episode at all. Usually when I come across a sucky episode, I find a scene or two that saves it for me. Most of the time it's a Chlark scene. But (And I cannot believe i am saying this) even Chlark sucked.

Are SV trying to ruin every character it has? Clark did not show any Superman-ish traits at all in this ep, he was totally willing to run away wth a pregnant, engaged woman of whom he himself broke up with.

Lana is willing to endanger both Chloe an Clark to find out a secret that she knows Clark is not willing to tell her but also, moments after manages AGAIN to put someone's life in danger because of that knowledge. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for her?

Chloe, the one person I watch this show for has upset me because one episode ago she tells Clark to move on, now she wants him to swoop in and save the day? Again someone else falls under the Lana spell.

[meggy]

ohh yeah seacrystal...meant to add that....the morality of everyone was just shattered today...so sad...

basically..good acting, bad plot, bad character assasinations on ALL fronts

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Rachel B
Are SV trying to ruin every character it has?
One has to suspect that's what they are trying to do, yes.

[RedPhoenix23]

Whoever wrote this crap should be publicly flogged.

[hassenmorad]

Man, I really don't understand why you guys even watch this show. Every single one of you goes on and on about how Clana has not changed a bit and it's the same story as season one, which I don't agree with at all. There's no reason to continue watching if the only part of the episode you liked was Lionel. Surely the return of the MB can't sustain your interest so much as to deal with the "bad writing" in the rest of the plot. My point is that the writing is much stronger than you give it credit, and all you strong critics of this episode would DEFINITELY not watch if the story was as bad as you claim.

I'm not trying to silence critics at all, but I think a more fair criticism is needed. So much hate......

[paolinki25]

I just cannot belive Clark actually had in mind to propose to Lana right on the same day of her wedding to Lex. I cannot believe Clark Kent didn't even think about the consequences of proposing to a woman who's supposedely carrying another man's child. It was just a disgrace. Everything this character is supposed to stand for was completely destroyed by this episode.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by hassenmorad
My point is that the writing is much stronger than you give it credit, and all you strong critics of this episode would DEFINITELY not watch if the story was as bad as you claim.
I have to insist that the writing is particularly bad these says. Clana is particularly unbearable. It's like 12 year-olds are in charge of this show...

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by hassenmorad
Man, I really don't understand why you guys even watch this show. Every single one of you goes on and on about how Clana has not changed a bit and it's the same story as season one, which I don't agree with at all. There's no reason to continue watching if the only part of the episode you liked was Lionel. Surely the return of the MB can't sustain your interest so much as to deal with the "bad writing" in the rest of the plot. My point is that the writing is much stronger than you give it credit, and all you strong critics of this episode would DEFINITELY not watch if the story was as bad as you claim.

I'm not trying to silence critics at all, but I think a more fair criticism is needed. So much hate......

Huh? So are we lying when we say that in our opinion the writing is terrible? :lol: There have been some good eps this season and that is why we keep watching. Period.

[paolinki25]

How in the world can people think this is good writing? I'm sorry, but watching characters being destroyed all in the sake of Clana was just painful to watch.

[hassenmorad]

Originally posted by paolinki25
I just cannot belive Clark actually had in mind to propose to Lana right on the same day of her wedding to Lex. I cannot believe Clark Kent didn't even think about the consequences of proposing to a woman who's supposedely carrying another man's child. It was just a disgrace. Everything this character is supposed to stand for was completely destroyed by this episode.

Yes, I agree that proposing to Lana wasn't the best decision by Clark (if it were to happen). However, I feel you're forgetting that he is a person who acts on his feelings, just as any one of us would in the real world. It seems ridiculous that we can judge this character for not acting perfectly (perhaps like Superman would act- boooooorrring!) when in fact he has human flaws as we all do. I think it's this human side that really draws us to Clark Kent.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by hassenmorad
Yes, I agree that proposing to Lana wasn't the best decision by Clark (if it were to happen). However, I feel you're forgetting that he is a person who acts on his feelings, just as any one of us would in the real world. It seems ridiculous that we can judge this character for not acting perfectly (perhaps like Superman would act- boooooorrring!) when in fact he has human flaws as we all do. I think it's this human side that really draws us to Clark Kent.

That excuse has worn thin. We've already heard it a THOUSAND TIMES already. This is season six for gods sake, Clark needs to start making some FOWARD motion on his destiny already. Its really sad when the best CLARK EPS this season are the ones that he's barely in like Wither and Static. :(

[hassenmorad]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Huh? So are we lying when we say that in our opinion the writing is terrible? :lol: There have been some good eps this season and that is why we keep watching. Period. Yea, I guess. I was referring to those who typically have a negative view of practically every episode. I think Zod, Sneeze, (whatever that plant episode was called), Subterranean among a few others were weak storylines, but think Promise was strong overall, IMO. Perhaps it's the character development you're not happy with, and I can understand why, but IMO there's positive relationship development taking place which is good.

Lana- now she definitely knows Clark has powers and how he truly feels about her (SHE KNOWS MUCH OF 'THE TRUTH')

Lex- he KILLED someone today with his bare hands over Lana and has sunken to a new low with Lionel's blackmailing him. Those were definitely 'Wow' moments IMO.

Clark- Not much really, but I think that's ok, just as long as Clana is moving to something different (although, I hope they do not get back together, because that would really do it for me).

MB- He's back. Probably welcomed by all because he's such a fascinating character.

[curiosity]

I thought the episode was pretty good. Not the best, but pretty good.

How could anyone not like an episode where Lana finally discovered Clark's abilities, and remembered the tornado? Not only that, she overheard Clark's reasons for dumping her, and how hard it was for him to let her go. That was heartbreaking.

The current story in Smallville is right in line with most Superman stories and past shows. If anyone has seen the show Lois and Clark, it's almost parallel to that, and he's already Superman in that one. I think some have the idea that Superman is supposed to fix everything all the time and always appear tough, and never have an emotion. That's just not the case in any Superman story. Look how bad he screwed things up in Superman Returns.

Not only that, he almost never gets the girl except for a short time. If everything resolved all at once, there would be nothing left to tell.

Just be glad there's no parallel universes, time machines, or frog eating clones in Smallville! I know I am. :lol: Oh, and no more Green Arrow!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by hassenmorad
Lex- he KILLED someone today with his bare hands over Lana and has sunken to a new low with Lionel's blackmailing him. Those were definitely 'Wow' moments IMO.
Yeah well, he killed someone alrigth. But IMO it was more like an accident, no?
This, taken together with the fact that he was incapable fo impregnating Lana, as well as incompetent when it comes to faking her pregnancy.....doesn't make him look good, IMO.

[paolinki25]

But for the love of god, as much as it's awesome, you CANNOT always act with your heart. Your head sometimes needs to step in and say "Whoa..Slow down. You're about to screw up". It's called being a grown up.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah well, he killed someone alrigth. But IMO it was more like an accident, no?
This, taken together with the fact that he was incapable fo impregnating Lana, as well as incompetent when it comes to faking her pregnancy.....doesn't make him look good, IMO.

Am I the only one that laughed at that scene? The crypt had freaking fog in it and the soundtrack to Phantom of the Opera was playing in the backround. I kept screaming at Dr. Creepy "Don't you watch scary movies?! This is a tell tale sign of your doom! DOOM! I SAY!! DOOM!!!"

[Atomic girl]

My rant: Lana willing to get Clark to the mansion to help Chloe knowing that there are cameras everywhere. Who does she think she is? She thinks a little too much of herself if she thinks she can save Clark, or anyone for that matter, from the Luthors. But it's all good she got what she wanted.....knowledge of Clark's abililties. Who cares what the repercussions are...

[curiosity]

Lana should have set Chloe up to call Clark the minute she heard the "secret" talk with Linda Lake. The girl had a right to know. Her first love dumped her, and then she heard something about him that no one would tell her.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Lostfan588
Chloe pulling a 180 form Feak...tho i cant really blame her since clark's acting like such a mope and she j wants him to be happy.
:lol:


I know. . .This doesn't make any sense:confused:. . .In Freak , she was like "you need to move on," and NOW she's like "save Lana". . .WTH?:confused:. . .Chloe was TOTALLY OOC:( . . .I ALSO didn't like the way Clark told her that she doesn't know him at all:mad:. . .WTF?!. . .Chloe knows him better than anyone!:mad:. . .WTH is wrong with him?!:mad:


Originally posted by paolinki25
How in the world can people think this is good writing? I'm sorry, but watching characters being destroyed all in the sake of Clana was just painful to watch.

Yeah, God forbid anyone stand in the way of AL/MILES "precious" CLANA:rolleyes:

[curiosity]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
I know. . .This doesn't make any sense:confused:. . .In Freak , she was like "you need to move on," and NOW she's like "save Lana". . .WTH?:confused:. . .Chloe was TOTALLY OOC:( . . .I ALSO didn't like the way Clark told her that she doesn't know him at all:mad:. . .WTF?!. . .Chloe knows him better than anyone!:mad:. . .WTH is wrong with him?!:mad:

That's true, she did tell him to go to the wedding to show he'd moved on and Martha also told him to leave it alone. Maybe she realized how depressed Lana seemed when she noticed she didn't sleep all night. And maybe Martha had a change of heart and didn't want to be responsible for Clark's regrets.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by curiosity
That's true, she did tell him to go to the wedding to show he'd moved on and Martha also told him to leave it alone. Maybe she realized how depressed Lana seemed when she noticed she didn't sleep all night. And maybe Martha had a change of heart and didn't want to be responsible for Clark's regrets.
The writers simply give a crap about Chloe and Martha. All they care about is Clana.... It's really that simple, IMO.

[tec611]

Im sure everyone has had valid points, but there is just to much info and opinions flying around right now that Im desperate to reply too; but that would make me write a novel. So instead, here are my gripes with this eppy:

1. Lana Pity- why does ANYONE feel sorry for her?? SHE chose Lex at the end of Season 5. She was warned by everyone and their mother that he was a monster, and because she was pissed at Clark, she made decisions that would forever alter her life. Because she was bitter at her ex-boyfriend? grow up and lay in the bed you made Lana. - I am not saying what she did for Clark wasnt romantic and sacrificial; it was. I even got choked up at the end of the episode. But still, if you are SO sure Clark cant be hurt, why dont you friggin ASK Clark if he can or cant be hurt by something and if Lionel knows about it MORON. She just went and ahead and made an extremely drastic decision that broke the heart of two people, without any friggin follow-up questions! Heck, she coulda asked Chloe about it too. dumb dumb dumb. Stop making her a victim, she has a brain she chooses not to use.

2. um PREGNANT with someone else's baby ANYONE?? - has everyone on this show forgot about the fact that Lana is carrying Lex's child?? Clark and Lana both never address this issue with each other when talking about meeting up and leaving Lex to be with him. First off, this makes Clark look like an absolute cad AND naive not to bring it up or address it at least by saying something like 'Ill take care of you two' etc. And it makes Lana look naive, immature and living in a fantasyworld to not bring it up either. I understand her pregnancy has 'special circumstances' but do Lana or Clark know that yet? NO. This is what really upset me in the ep. most of all.

3. The star crossed lovers angle - the writers on this show are really really really making it hard to believe Clark would EVER fall in love with Lois, or that any viewer would want him too. and Im a CLOIS SHIPPER saying this. They make Clana so friggin star crossed, traumatic, intense, emotional, longing, romantic, etc. and have Clark say over and over and OVER again that Lana is the one, he cant love anyone else...that you really REALLY agree with him. It looks like he will be moping around after her until he's one foot in the grave. Yes, this relationship makes for good TV, but this relationship makes it HORRIBLE for the Superman storyline. Kill it already. and I mean slam the nail in the coffin for reals. I want to hear the words "Im not in love with Lana Lang anymore" cross his lips.

4. Lana saying she has done everything "just and fair" to find out clark's secret. BULLCRAP. Sneaking through his drawers, his room, and his barn, taking pictures of his stuff, stealing his things, and propositioning Chloe repeatedly to fess up? YA OKAY LANA. The only thing that ever falls under the catagory of "just and fair" is simply asking him what his secret is. Everything besides that is another catagory all together.

5. Emo Clark - grow some man. Thats all I gotta say. I understand you love her, but proposing to your dog?? cheesy, immature and unecessary scene. How does this kid become superman?? I understand alot of people have this gripe, and alot of people gripe about people HAVING this gripe - but seriously. Clark has had enough trials (Loosing Lana, his father dying, loosing Lana, being responsible for the meteor showers, loosing lana again, being responsible for the phantom zoners, loosing lana AGAIN...) to understand that your responsibility and your duty come before your own needs and wants. This has been his lesson for the past 6 years, and he has just reverted back to season 1 of his mental and emotional growth. This episode just washes away 6 years of character building for Clark. The writers better have some dang good follow-up for him in 'Combat' concerning this, thats all I gotta say.

But I did enjoy this eppy somewhat; Lana finally found out. Thats enough for it to gain an award in my eyes. And the way she did it was great, it was just like how Chloe found out with Alicia tricking Clark. And KK did a great job in acting, aside from what they gave to her character, she worked with it well. But enough with the eye close-ups. you can almost here the director yelling 'look shocked!' 'look sad!' 'look in love...'

so it moved the story forward, but moved the characters back. blah.:rolleyes:

[msleggie]

Originally posted by Staph: Post #39 of 61


Msleggie, You are a very disturbing poster and very ambiguous at best. Your post starts off claiming the epi to be some great revelation but then belittle everyone in it. Which is it you liked it or hated it? By the way Lana did not marry Lex, she was "forced". I use that term lightly because in the real world the plot is retarded, but for arguments sake lets just say that she is forced to do so in the fake world of Smallville.

I was just saying that the episode in general was good. While I was watching this episode I was tempted to flip the channel b/c of bordem. I was actually glued to my seat. But just because the episode was interesting doesn't mean that I have to like every little detail. I didn't like what went on with some of the events and some of the choices the characters made. As for Lana being "forced" into marrying Lex, I think that's crazy. Lana had a choice and she made it, she saw what Clark could do. Lana knows that Clark has been taking care of his secret and himself for a long time now. Lana made that choice all on her own.

[MetroGirl06]

Originally posted by tec611
Im sure everyone has had valid points, but there is just to much info and opinions flying around right now that Im desperate to reply too; but that would make me write a novel. So instead, here are my gripes with this eppy:

1. Lana Pity- why does ANYONE feel sorry for her?? SHE chose Lex at the end of Season 5. She was warned by everyone and their mother that he was a monster, and because she was pissed at Clark, she made decisions that would forever alter her life. Because she was bitter at her ex-boyfriend? grow up and lay in the bed you made Lana. - I am not saying what she did for Clark wasnt romantic and sacrificial; it was. I even got choked up at the end of the episode. But still, if you are SO sure Clark cant be hurt, why dont you friggin ASK Clark if he can or cant be hurt by something and if Lionel knows about it MORON. She just went and ahead and made an extremely drastic decision that broke the heart of two people, without any friggin follow-up questions! Heck, she coulda asked Chloe about it too. dumb dumb dumb. Stop making her a victim, she has a brain she chooses not to use.

2. um PREGNANT with someone else's baby ANYONE?? - has everyone on this show forgot about the fact that Lana is carrying Lex's child?? Clark and Lana both never address this issue with each other when talking about meeting up and leaving Lex to be with him. First off, this makes Clark look like an absolute cad AND naive not to bring it up or address it at least by saying something like 'Ill take care of you two' etc. And it makes Lana look naive, immature and living in a fantasyworld to not bring it up either. I understand her pregnancy has 'special circumstances' but do Lana or Clark know that yet? NO. This is what really upset me in the ep. most of all.

3. The star crossed lovers angle - the writers on this show are really really really making it hard to believe Clark would EVER fall in love with Lois, or that any viewer would want him too. and Im a CLOIS SHIPPER saying this. They make Clana so friggin star crossed, traumatic, intense, emotional, longing, romantic, etc. and have Clark say over and over and OVER again that Lana is the one, he cant love anyone else...that you really REALLY agree with him. It looks like he will be moping around after her until he's one foot in the grave. Yes, this relationship makes for good TV, but this relationship makes it HORRIBLE for the Superman storyline. Kill it already. and I mean slam the nail in the coffin for reals. I want to hear the words "Im not in love with Lana Lang anymore" cross his lips.

4. Lana saying she has done everything "just and fair" to find out clark's secret. BULLCRAP. Sneaking through his drawers, his room, and his barn, taking pictures of his stuff, stealing his things, and propositioning Chloe repeatedly to fess up? YA OKAY LANA. The only thing that ever falls under the catagory of "just and fair" is simply asking him what his secret is. Everything besides that is another catagory all together.

5. Emo Clark - grow some man. Thats all I gotta say. I understand you love her, but proposing to your dog?? cheesy, immature and unecessary scene. How does this kid become superman?? I understand alot of people have this gripe, and alot of people gripe about people HAVING this gripe - but seriously. Clark has had enough trials (Loosing Lana, his father dying, loosing Lana, being responsible for the meteor showers, loosing lana again, being responsible for the phantom zoners, loosing lana AGAIN...) to understand that your responsibility and your duty come before your own needs and wants. This has been his lesson for the past 6 years, and he has just reverted back to season 1 of his mental and emotional growth. This episode just washes away 6 years of character building for Clark. The writers better have some dang good follow-up for him in 'Combat' concerning this, thats all I gotta say.

But I did enjoy this eppy somewhat; Lana finally found out. Thats enough for it to gain an award in my eyes. And the way she did it was great, it was just like how Chloe found out with Alicia tricking Clark. And KK did a great job in acting, aside from what they gave to her character, she worked with it well. But enough with the eye close-ups. you can almost here the director yelling 'look shocked!' 'look sad!' 'look in love...'

so it moved the story forward, but moved the characters back. blah.:rolleyes:


I totally agree with you! :)

Another rant from me: CLARK IS TOTALLY PUSSY-WHOOPED AND HE NEEDS TO GET OVER IT!

[Lexed]

Mod Edit: Rule 15

[CK!]

i'll bet he still watches every episode :p

[Drakaun]

In all honesty, if you haven't even watched the show since the end of season five, and now we are nearing the end of season 6 it is hard to pass judgement on it. This season has been really great, but if you haven't seen the episodes leading up to this one, it would be hard to pass fair judgement. Sure you are entitled to your own opinion, but I urge you to at least watch it in its entirety before you spit on the show and curse its name.

On a side note, this isn't really a superman show, it is a Clark Kent show. And you can be surprised how much a character can change in the course of another season to be closer to the Superman you love, whichever superman that may be, there are so many out there it is hard to tell.

[Phantom 17]

I've only watched episodes 6-1, 6-2, 6-11, and now this one. I found it quite good. I tuned out because I really didn't like smallville anymore, but I had to watch the wedding episode, and I'm glad I did.

[Admiral_N8]

Well he has a point, this guy Clark is NOTHING like Superman. They've had 6 seasons to make him grow into a person who appears to shortly become Superman, and they havent done that.

At least they are starting to make Lex more evil....even if he is a little girl now because of Lana.

[ramjeetp]

That Indiago Child guy has some issues man!!! I don't even know why I am even bothering to post in his forum lol!

Hands up who is going to miss Indiago Child's opinions? My hands are not going up lol!

Some people who don't have anything nice to say about this great TV Show, should keep their mouth shuts and don't type stupid comments!!!

[CK!]

im sure the writers have big plans.. just wait and see.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by CK!
im sure the writers have big plans.. just wait and see.

What big plans?! Everytime we get some FOWARD motion with this show like we did with the beginning of this season, it all gets reset back to season one again!

[Bosrudorfer]

1. Clark is a wimp and NO superman.

2. Lana doesnt know what the hell she wants. And is USED goods!

3. The show is a soap opera and writers need a kick between the legs.

[Ilovebeinglost]

what did Chloe do to be called a witch?

[tec611]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
what did Chloe do to be called a witch?

a 'witch' is harsh, but im gonna take a gander here and say maybe, MAYBE, its that she was trying to pressure Clark at the last minute to do EXACTLY what psycho stalker man from 'Trespass' was trying to do all along! And they let him die for it! Now Chloe is out there saying 'save lana from herself clark! its your duty!' when like I dunno, a week ago she was telling him to let Lana go? ugh Chloe. Sometimes I love you, but sometimes I hate you. I see Clark's problem with furthering their relationship.

cant ONE person on this show know what they want!? geez.

[cygnusx1]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tec611
[B]Im sure everyone has had valid points, but there is just to much info and opinions flying around right now that Im desperate to reply too; but that would make me write a novel. So instead, here are my gripes with this eppy:





5. Emo Clark - grow some man. Thats all I gotta say. I understand you love her, but proposing to your dog?? cheesy, immature and unecessary scene. How does this kid become superman?? I understand alot of people have this gripe, and alot of people gripe about people HAVING this gripe - but seriously. Clark has had enough trials (Loosing Lana, his father dying, loosing Lana, being responsible for the meteor showers, loosing lana again, being responsible for the phantom zoners, loosing lana AGAIN...) to understand that your responsibility and your duty come before your own needs and wants. This has been his lesson for the past 6 years, and he has just reverted back to season 1 of his mental and emotional growth. This episode just washes away 6 years of character building for Clark. The writers better have some dang good follow-up for him in 'Combat' concerning this, thats all I gotta say.

couldn't agree more. ever since pa kent was killed off he's surrounded by women influences.give the guy a male friend that he can confide in and give him the kick in the backside when it is needed. sadly, lois is the closest person he has to do this since she doesn't know the big secret and probaly could care less. ollie was sorta filling this role but he had to go and save the world. truer words were never spoken then last night when chloe was surprised clark wasn't swooping in to save the damsell in distress. between her and martha with move on, follow your heart its amazing his head hasn't exploded yet.

[tec611]

Originally posted by cygnusx1

couldn't agree more. ever since pa kent was killed off he's surrounded by women influences.give the guy a male friend that he can confide in and give him the kick in the backside when it is needed. sadly, lois is the closest person he has to do this since she doesn't know the big secret and probaly could care less. ollie was sorta filling this role but he had to go and save the world. truer words were never spoken then last night when chloe was surprised clark wasn't swooping in to save the damsell in distress. between her and martha with move on, follow your heart its amazing his head hasn't exploded yet. [/B]

ya in a way I dont blame Clark for being confused; look at his mentors, they dont know tit for tat about anything, all they give him is contradictory and misguided advice. But thats one of my the problems; Clark is old enough now to make his OWN decisions and decipher right from wrong, his duty and his wants, but they have written him to be so co-dependent its ridiculous. Superhero's (especially Superman) are essentially solitary beings by nature. They HAVE to be, especially superman!! He is an alien orphan. Im not really sure if you can make a character that would be more emotionally and mentally 'alone'. BUT they have made him so co-dependent on others for their advice, their approval, and their needs, that im surprised he can even decide what to wear in the morning without calling Chloe about it for christs sake. He DOES need a male mentor, but no one can replace Jonathan. The show has ample opportunity to give Clark some actually BRAINS here and let him grow into a man and not look to others to make his decisions for him; with the start of season 6 they were doing a great job of this. I only hope they can dig themselves out of the hole they have made with Clark.

[jimintn]

Originally posted by miyagi0486
First of all, since when has smallville not ignored the mythology. I could think of over a dozen examples of Smallville ignoring the Superman mythology since that was one of the premises to the show in the first place i.e. meteor freaks, Clark and Lex actually being friends at one time, the addition of Chloe just to name a few. As far as the list of mythology that should be set in stone, none of that has been ignored as of yet. Clark has not become something other than Superman, and we have been told countless times that he WILL NOT become Superman in this series, Clark hasn't married yet (unless you count him and Alicia) and no one has said he won't marry Lois, and as far as I can tell Lex IS becoming Clark's archenemy. Oh and by the way, he has married once already in this series, remember, so whats the big deal if he does it again. Oh and who actually thinks that they are going to stay together anyway.

As I said, I know there are gray areas that they can explore, as you've pointed out, but you cannot point out to me in the comics or any of the movies where Lex marries Lana, Clark's highschool girlfriend. Period.


Originally posted by Lexed
Look if you dont like the show dont watch it. You dont have to post how much you dislike the show( thats why god created the up and down button on the remote. This fourms is for people who enjoying watching smallville we dont need people posting negative things about it.

Um, if we weren't fans of the show, we wouldn't care so much when they screw up! I love Smallville and when we get a great episode, I give the cudos it deserves.

I didn't watch the OC. I wasn't a fan of the OC, so when they killed of Barton, I could give a crap.

We hate seeing our beloved show taken down (what we consider) the wrong path.

If we didn't like the show, so much we WOULD just click the remote.

We hope that maybe, just MAYBE, someone, somewhere that is involved with the show, just MIGHT see some of these posts and take our concerns to heart.

This show is supposed to be about how the future Superman grew up. BUT HE'S NOT GROWING UP! He's not getting anywhere near embracing his destiny. We were told the reason why Jonathan was killed off was to push Clark towards his destiny. How long has it been since he's been to the FOS?