chloe's speech

[supermanfan04]

i couldn't help but thinking during chloe's "man of steel" speech that chloe herself could be doing something to save lana from lex! why is it all supposed to be all up to clark? why not chloe? or martha? or nell? i mean, chloe's supposed to be lana's best friend and she's just going to stand back and let her marry, and i quote, "a monster"? don't get me wrong, i think that clark has had plenty of chances to rescue lana, but so has chloe. it's not all clark's responsibility. step up chloe, stop hiding behind clark's super shadow.

[Nospam]

Why not Lana, or is she to be blameless for every mistake in her life?

[quietone]

Good point supermanfan04. To take it even further I really wish everyone would stop with the 'Lana needs to be rescued' mentality. Why can't Lana look out for and save herself? She's supposed to be an adult. No one is forcing her to do anything and yet she continues to be portrayed as a victim of circumstances.

[wolverine316]

Originally posted by supermanfan04
i couldn't help but thinking during chloe's "man of steel" speech that chloe herself could be doing something to save lana from lex! why is it all supposed to be all up to clark? why not chloe? or martha? or nell? i mean, chloe's supposed to be lana's best friend and she's just going to stand back and let her marry, and i quote, "a monster"? don't get me wrong, i think that clark has had plenty of chances to rescue lana, but so has chloe. it's not all clark's responsibility. step up chloe, stop hiding behind clark's super shadow.


THANK YOU!!!!!!! The only thing that made me upset in this great episode was Chloe's BS. Right after "Freak" where Clark promised to be there for Chloe, she pulls this crap on him? Real nice Chloe. With friends like Chloe, Clark doesn't need enemies. One minute she tells Clark that showing up to the wedding would show that he moved on. Then the next second she wants Clark to break up the nuptuals. Grow up Chloe.

[meteor_phreak]

I agree with no-spam. lana might not know everything about lex, but she knows enough in just the episodes since hydro to decide not to marry lex.

also, the way she got caught by the MB, she should have been more careful, or just left with clark right then...

but yeah, i agree on some level that chloe had as much power to help as clark did, she definitely has info and credibility. however. they neither have anywhere near the responsibility that lana has for her own frickin life.

[supermanfan04]

THANK YOU!!!!!!! The only thing that made me upset in this great episode was Chloe's BS. Right after "Freak" where Clark promised to be there for Chloe, she pulls this crap on him? Real nice Chloe. With friends like Chloe, Clark doesn't need enemies.


too right you are. and i do agree that lana can save herself every now and then. but did you notice that she actually was going to save herself in this episode? the only thing that stopped her was lionel's threat. looks like lana really stepped up in this episode!

[Solara_08]

The speech was awesome and it tugged at my heart. AM delivered that scene amazingly. Wait to go Chloe, finally giving Clark that final push to be honest. I also liked the fact that Lana was there to witness all of what was going on.

[Wombat]

Only thing is, Lana refused to listen to anything Chloe had to say about the Luthors. And from the schizophrenia way Lana is written how would any know how to approach her. Lana at one time had seemed to embraced the dark side - for example, endorsing Lex's experimentation on meteor freak. Chloe could only do so much short of kidnapping her and brainwashing her out of the marriage. The only person who would ever stood a chance of 'rescuing' Lana from the marriage has been Clark.

[AndiGirl]

I agree, Lana should be a big girl and not need to be constantly saved. Chloe's speech wasn't meant to hurt Clark, like everyone else she's probably tired of his complaining. We all know you love Lana....so either do something about it or don't! I think this shows what a good friend Chloe is....do you really think if she hadn't given him that speech he would have went to Lana at all? I don't personally think so.

[supermanfan04]

i think he would have. the speech hurt clark. when he talked to martha, it gave him encouragement. and lana was going to rescue herself, i stand by that. but what was she supposed to do after lionel thretened to kill clark? she had to go through with the wedding. i feel sorry for her, but i also see that she got herself into this mess...

[Uffr]

Lana tried to get away. The MB foiled that attempt. What was Lana going to do?

[TheRowdy]

Chloe has tried numerous times to save Lana from Lex but Lana has made it her point to trust Lex so Chloe backs off. After all, Chloe is NOT in love with Lana, Clark is. I can see why Chloe would want Clark to get off his duff and do something about it but I am in most agreement that Lana needs to save herself.

[msleggie]

Chloe's little speech was funny to me. She was all big and bad and ready to tell clark off about how he doen't express his true feelings. But when is comes to Lana, chloe is suddenly quiet. Chloe told Clark that lana was basically about to ruin her life, but she didn't tell lana that! She went on and on about clark and him being the man of steel and not letting people close to him, was fine. But her telling clark to rescue lana was just being crazy, lana is a big girl and can take care of herself. It's like clark said, if lana didn't want to be with lex she would leave.

[meggy]

you make some interesting points supermanfan04...chloe and clark have tried in the past to tell Lana, but as I recall, for a long time Lana didnt listen.....

also, this is another reason why ppl are upset that all the characters have gone OOC for the sake of Clana this week...last week Chloe did tell Clark to try to move on...now she's saying break up the wedding?...ummm...ok

in Crimson, Martha said to move on...now she's saying stop the wedding too?..ummmm...ok again

no one is consistent. no one

[Wombat]

She should had told Clark anyways as Clark is quiet capable of taking care of himself. I highly doubt Lionel could of gotten anywhere near Lana or himself after she told him what Lionel said.

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by supermanfan04
i think he would have. the speech hurt clark. when he talked to martha, it gave him encouragement. and lana was going to rescue herself, i stand by that. but what was she supposed to do after lionel thretened to kill clark? she had to go through with the wedding. i feel sorry for her, but i also see that she got herself into this mess...

I think there was plenty Lana could have done...I mean, if she would have taken two seconds to think about it. I know it was probably hard for her....but Clark can't be killed that easily. Plus, Lionel has a thing for Clarks mom,....I'm sure there would be some serious consiquences with killing her son. Obviously Lana was panicking, and upset...so i don't blame her. But there were options she could have taken to get out of it. All of these years Clark has been protecting Lana...doesn't she know by now he can take care of himself??

[Jack-El49]

Originally posted by Uffr
Lana tried to get away. The MB foiled that attempt. What was Lana going to do?

Lana did try to get away. Lana was taking charge of her predicament and was guilty only of being polite about it. She should have left with Clark. Had she done so, there would have been no wedding.

However, Lana could have done this: she could have called her "best friend" Chloe. She knows Chloe knows Clark's secret. She could have said that she saw what happened in the wine cellar and heard what Chloe said to Clark about being invincible. Then she could have asked Chloe if there was any way that Clark could be physically harmed or even killed and if anyone knew or had the means to do so? Given that information, she then could have called Clark.

Rather than going through with the wedding based on what could have been an idle threat from Lionel and hurting Clark in the process, she could have "saved the day" for her, Clark, and even Lex in a way.

[supermanfan04]

you're so right, meggy. no one is consistent. TPTB just need to finalize clark and lana once and for all. either they're friends, enemies, or a couple...

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by supermanfan04
i couldn't help but thinking during chloe's "man of steel" speech that chloe herself could be doing something to save lana from lex! why is it all supposed to be all up to clark? why not chloe? or martha? or nell? i mean, chloe's supposed to be lana's best friend and she's just going to stand back and let her marry, and i quote, "a monster"? don't get me wrong, i think that clark has had plenty of chances to rescue lana, but so has chloe. it's not all clark's responsibility. step up chloe, stop hiding behind clark's super shadow.

Give me a break. Lana is a big girl.. she knows the chances she is taking. If she'd of opened her eyes years ago, she wouldn't be in this predictament. She only has herself to blame. You can't blame Chloe and correct me if I'm wrong but Clark is a superman.. maybe that is why Chloe suggested he help save Lana. Duh!

[krpto]

I lovd this episode but I think the chloe/clark conversation should have had this.

Chloe: The man of steel is nowhere to be found.
Clark: You know how hard it was for me to give up lana. I had to protect her last time I told her she died and I had to make a deal with Jor-el to change the time line and then my dad died because of that.

[msleggie]

Posted by Wombat: She should had told Clark anyways as Clark is quiet capable of taking care of himself. I highly doubt Lionel could of gotten anywhere near Lana or himself after she told him what Lionel said.

I was thinking the same thing, after seeing what clark could do, why didn't lana think clark could take care of himself?

[Pandora24]

I'm quoting myself from another topic b/c I'm too lazy to write it out again. :p


Originally posted by Pandora24
Chloe's words to Clark were a bit insensitive in my opinion. She knows how much Clark loves Lana, and wasn't she was the one who said to either tell Lana the truth or let her move on? That's what Clark was trying to do, and now suddenly Chloe is all gun-ho for Clark to swoop in and save Lana again? She could've handled that better. I totally agreed with Clark when he said letting Lana go was the hardest thing he ever did and if she didn't know that, then she didn't know him as well as he thought she did.

On Lana marrying Lex before Lionel manipulated her...she's a big girl, she's got eyes and a brain like everyone else in Smallville. If she didn't see Lex for who he really is, it's b/c she didn't want to. Lana needed to make her own decision b/c she's an adult and if she doesn't want to marry Lex, than she shouldn't. Chloe shouldn't expect Clark to go and rescue Lana. It's called free will Chloe and making your own decisions and even your own mistakes. :p

[supermanfan04]

ok, i agree that lana is a big girl and could have gotten out a long time ago. but, think of how the luthors are. for a while she really had feelings for lex. then she realized she was in too deep and by then she couldn't have left b/c of her fear of what lex might do. i mean, he killed the dr. b/c he wanted lana all to himself! crazy!!

[natwelling]

Chloe is a good friend... she cares for clark and lana.. I am just tired of everything revolving on Lana..

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by supermanfan04
ok, i agree that lana is a big girl and could have gotten out a long time ago. but, think of how the luthors are. for a while she really had feelings for lex. then she realized she was in too deep and by then she couldn't have left b/c of her fear of what lex might do. i mean, he killed the dr. b/c he wanted lana all to himself! crazy!!

This is true but how many times did Clark and Chloe warn her??

Plus, she could have said she wasn't ready to marry Lex. She didn't have to go and accept just because she was angry with Clark.


Originally posted by natwelling
Chloe is a good friend... she cares for clark and lana.. I am just tired of everything revolving on Lana..

I couldn't agree more.. I'm sick of Lana period.

[RedLex82]

Anyone else really enjoy the snarky 'Good Job - she's marrying a monster and she's trapping herself into a loveless life.'

Man it was so vintage, that i actually had to replay it a few times during the commercials. Lucky for me they played the scene from the Lana angle again later so I could enjoy it all over again ;)

[emily feist]

Chloe really annoyed me with this speech. She's been telling Clark all season even since last season to let Lana go and then all of a sudden she gets on his case because he won't save her. Maybe it would've worked if she wasn't so angry when she talked to him but instead said something like:
Chloe- "I know I've told you to let her go, that she's made her choice, I mean I've even tried to back off from helping her, but if she marries him we both know her life is over. I guess I never thought we'd actually get to this day and she would want to go through with it. But Clark the day is here, and if you have the deep love for Lana that you say you do, then you need to tell her everything."
If she said something like this and even admitted her own difficulty of accepting the Lexana relationship and trying to just let it go, then the scene wouldn't of felt so out of character.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Chloe's speech was OOC, it pisses me off so much that TPTB messed with my girl.

I agree Chloe could have done something but Lana could have done something as well. You know like NOT SAYING YES TO LEX'S PROPOSAL IN THE FIRST FRAKIN PLACE!

It's not all Clark's responsibility, or Chloe. Lana needs to learn to take responsibilty for her own freaking actions.

It was Lana who ran to Lex after she broke up with Clark.

It was Lana who ran and kissed Lex after Lex b!tched out Chloe to Lana about Chloe threatening him if he ever hurt Lana and after the little call out session she had with Chloe about not being anyone's prey.

It was Lana who moved in with Lex.

It was Lana who willingly had sex with Lex and got pregnant.

It was Lana who refused to look @ the proof Chloe had of Lex. Sure Chloe could have tried harder to show her but in the end Lana didn't want to hear any of it.

It was Lana who accepted Lex's proposal.

PPL have got to let Lana suffer the consequences from the mistakes she willingly made.

And babying Lana saying she was the victim and NOTHING was her fault is not it.

[Iolanthe]

you make some interesting points supermanfan04...chloe and clark have tried in the past to tell Lana, but as I recall, for a long time Lana didnt listen.....

also, this is another reason why ppl are upset that all the characters have gone OOC for the sake of Clana this week...last week Chloe did tell Clark to try to move on...now she's saying break up the wedding?...ummm...ok

in Crimson, Martha said to move on...now she's saying stop the wedding too?..ummmm...ok again

no one is consistent. no one

But one could argue that Martha and Chloe have seen Clark moping over the past week and have really gotten to know the depths of his feeling. People's opinions change as they get more data. And don't forget that their first loyalty is to Clark and they want him to be happy.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by emily feist
Maybe it would've worked if she wasn't so angry when she talked to him but instead said something like:

Chloe- "I know I've told you to let her go, that she's made her choice, I mean I've even tried to back off from helping her, but if she marries him we both know her life is over. I guess I never thought we'd actually get to this day and she would want to go through with it. But Clark the day is here, and if you have the deep love for Lana that you say you do, then you need to tell her everything."
If she said something like this and even admitted her own difficulty of accepting the Lexana relationship and trying to just let it go, then the scene wouldn't of felt so out of character.

That I would have accepted as well. Honestly, its like the writers are so ignorant of the previous episodes where ppl were saying different things. This whole episode was a big RETCON