She LOCKED Chloe in the Wine Cellar!!!!

[ChlarkFan01]

she really is a Luthor and she hasn't even married him yet!! Man this episode is so bad

[thehenry89]

she could have died...how very friend like of lana.

[Uffr]

She was in there for like a minute. I'm sure Lana would have let her out if her experiment proved fruitless.

[PKII]

She wanted Clark to come rescue her lol :)

PKII does the Lana KNOWS dance. :)

[jimmyolsenblues]

good writing. did not think lana would do that.

[redraven]

Yay! Smart Lana. About time for that. :D

[lillie_poo_pod]

Awww that's not right AT ALL.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by ChlarkFan01
she really is a Luthor and she hasn't even married him yet!! Man this episode is so bad

heck i wouldn't even do that to a friend..

[cmm]

Really I actually liked that scene it says to me that Lana is finally developing a backbone and a brain. I was impressed.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by cmm
Really I actually liked that scene it says to me that Lana is finally developing a backbone and a brain. I was impressed.

Don't get your hopes up she is going to back to her normal stupid whiny self next week and anytime the plots needs it.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by ChlarkFan01
she really is a Luthor and she hasn't even married him yet!! Man this episode is so bad

I was NOT surprised that Lana would stoop so LOW to find out Clark's secret:rolleyes:. . .I mean she LOCKED her best friend in the FREEZING wine cellar:mad:. . .How MEAN is that?:mad:. . .This goes to show you that you can't TRUST Lana:rolleyes:

[myankskent]

This was a solid move by Lana. I can't blame her for doing it quite honestly and it was a smart move to find out the truth about Clark. It's not like she put Chloe in danger or anything, Chloe was locked in a room...big deal.

[CLSmith]

Consider that Chloe is also close with Clark and Lana knew that if she ran into troubl Chloe would call her or Clark.

She doesn't answer, Chloe goes to plan B call CK.

She's had her ideas 'bout Clark for a few eps now and if CK didn't sweep in she'll get her out.

So no real danger...

She got more confirmation and Chloe is safe and sound.

No harm no foul...

In a way Lana pulled an Alicia. :)

-cs™

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by thehenry89
she could have died...how very friend like of lana.


She's NOT a friend at all. . .She's NEVER been one:rolleyes:. . .Chloe has ALWAYS been a good friend to Lana:D. . .Soryy, I can't say the same for Lana:\

[meteor_phreak]

i couldn't believe it took me that long to figure it out. i got it before they showed it. in the scene when lana asked her to go get the box, it clicked. it shouldn't have taken me that long.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Don't get your hopes up she is going to back to her normal stupid whiny self next week and anytime the plots needs it.

I AGREE:D

[ChlarkMe]

Originally posted by CLSmith
Consider that Chloe is also close with Clark and Lana knew that if she ran into troubl Chloe would call her or Clark.

She doesn't answer, Chloe goes to plan B call CK.

She's had her ideas 'bout Clark for a few eps now and if CK didn't sweep in she'll get her out.

So no real danger...

She got more confirmation and Chloe is safe and sound.

No harm no foul...

In a way Lana pulled an Alicia. :)

-cs™


The end does not justify the means.
What Alicia did was wrong and what Lana did was wrong.

Isn't it ironic that she resorted to trickery to get what she wanted, but if she had just waited a little longer Clark would have told her everything himself which is what I thought she always wanted.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by myankskent
This was a solid move by Lana. I can't blame her for doing it quite honestly and it was a smart move to find out the truth about Clark. It's not like she put Chloe in danger or anything, Chloe was locked in a room...big deal.

Exactly, she even second thought it when she was talking to Nell and even with that she was still debating with herself if she should do it moments before she did.

You guys act like Lana put Chloe in front of a moving car. :rolleyes:

It's a colder, they aren't THAT cold, you have to be there for days before something major happens to you. :lol:

[SmallvilleMan]

Yeah, poor Chloe, her life was really in danger.........:rolleyes:

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah, poor Chloe, her life was really in danger.........:rolleyes:

Come on. That was pretty messed up. You have to admit it. Jesus.

Lana can do no wrong.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by meteor_phreak
i couldn't believe it took me that long to figure it out. i got it before they showed it. in the scene when lana asked her to go get the box, it clicked. it shouldn't have taken me that long.

When I saw the latest trailer, I figured that Lana would set-up Chloe:rolleyes:. . .Some ANTIS were saying that Chloe would betray Clark by having the whole thing staged, BUT I didn't buy into it;). . .Chloe would NEVER betray Clark:D. . .If anyone needs a reminder, just watch SEASON 5;)

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
Lana can do no wrong.

Nor can Chloe... I'm still waiting for a thread about how wrong Chloe was for making Clark feel bad for not doing anything about Lana when she herself told him to leave it alone episodes ago.

Lana locks Chloe in a colder and Chloe hides fact about Lex from Lana knowing full well the guy isn't good.

I guess they're even. :rolleyes:

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah, poor Chloe, her life was really in danger.........:rolleyes:

I bet if the tables were turned and Chloe locked Lana in the FREEZING cellar, you would probably say how HORRIBLE of a person Chloe is:rolleyes:. . .Oh wait a minute!. . .Chloe would NEVER stoop that LOW!:D

[SmallvilleMan]

Come on. That was pretty messed up. You have to admit it. Jesus.

She was in there for TWO DAMN seconds.....She locked her friend in the wine celler for two seconds, what a monster. Osahma who? :rolleyes: I didn't say it was right, it was sneaky, but it isn't what people are making it out to be.


I bet if the tables were turned and Chloe locked Lana in the FREEZING cellar, you would probably say how HORRIBLE of a person Chloe is. . .Oh wait a minute!. . .Chloe would NEVER stoop that LOW!

Yeah, instead she would stoop lower and betray Clark to Lionel......Whoops:o

[Rrob254]

I do not blame Lana either she has always wanted Clark to tell her but Look at how many times she has given Clark the chance to tell her the truth and he never has. Lana needed to do this for herself and Clark. Since Clark wouldn't tell her the truth she finally has gotten smart and without hurting anyone took it upon herself to find out the truth. She wanted to make sure that she wasn't making the biggest mistake of her life by marrying Lex when she could really be with Clark. There was a part of her that's always known that Clark is different and that he still loves her even though he isn't truthful about it.

She thought this was her last chance to make it so that they could be together....and WOW they came so CLOSE!

I think this was a great episode, smart and sets things up for the rest of the season in a big way. I am still in shock that Lana KNOWS...hehe and bad Lionel is back....now what does he want?

[jimmyolsenblues]

clark taking the steel door off and lana watching was a great moment.
and I don't even like lana, not that matters.
but i felt bad she did not try to leave lex before today.

[meggy]

i'm glad someone finally brought this up after all the weeping for poor Lana and Clark...star crossed lovers...how wonderful of her to sacrifice herself for Clark and his love..blah blah....

i understand that it is great that Lana is having a "backbone" as some say...to do what she did today...and some say Chloe wasnt in any real danger anyway...but for me, the point is that, once again, Lana pulled more lies and deception.

Many times in the past she has tried all sorts of ways to get Chloe to talk, since that hasn't worked, she now deceived her "best friend" to get the secret out. All the secrets and lies that she complains about, she does the same thing...after this, I dont want to hear her whine and moan anymore about it.

i suppose in the same vein, we can argue that she "did what she had to do" to get past whatever she needed to....but, it can also be argued that Clark "did what he had to do" to protect her by not telling her.

i cant feel sorry for her tonight...for all the love that she says she loves him, she didnt trust him to tell her on his own time, didnt trust him that he really thinks he did it to protect her....didn't trust him and "love" him until she realised: "ohh..he's been saving me forever...it's all for meee, meee, meeeee"

hey, i dont hate her character..not at all...i just cant feel sorry for her tonight after her own deception...

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Exactly, she even second thought it when she was talking to Nell and even with that she was still debating with herself if she should do it moments before she did.

You guys act like Lana put Chloe in front of a moving car. :rolleyes:

It's a colder, they aren't THAT cold, you have to be there for days before something major happens to you. :lol:

STILL. . .That was a VERY "UNFRIENDLY" thing to do:rolleyes:

[myankskent]

I can't get on Lana's character for doing that. If she had put Chloe in danger, that would be another story. Plus, it's not like Lana even left the room, if Chloe didn't call Clark, she probably would've just opened the door for her. I'll call Lana on her crap, but I just can't get worked up about this.

[Dark Knight23]

Chloe wouldn't have died it would have taken her a long time to freeze. She survived in the fortress for about a good five minutes and that is below 0 degree weather. So a few minutes in a cold wine cellar wouldn't have killed her.

[SmallvilleMan]

She was there for two seconds.....two seconds........

[Sk8erGur1]

Ehh. I ain't that mad, I guess.


I guess I'm just angry about emo Clark...


so, everyone gets pissed on in this episode.


Except Lionel and Lex. Evil bastards. I love 'em.

[Kid Collins]

What Lana did was sneaky but she wouldn't leave Chloe there if Clark didn't show up.

And it worked. :lol:

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
STILL. . .That was a VERY "UNFRIENDLY" thing to do:rolleyes:

How many times has Chloe put Clark before Lana?

So Lana does the same thing she's bad for it... you can't have double standards.

I'm still waiting for the thread which bashes Chloe for making Clark feel bad for not saving Lana.

[myankskent]

Let's put it this way...when Chloe finds out that Lana knows, she should ask Lana how she found out and when Lana explains it, she should apologize to Chloe for locking her in there and that's it.

[meteor_phreak]

i don't really blame lana for this. she did what she had to do, and while it was wrong, her desperation and situation make it a little easier to forgive.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by meggy


i understand that it is great that Lana is having a "backbone" as some say...to do what she did today...and some say Chloe wasnt in any real danger anyway...but for me, the point is that, once again, Lana pulled more lies and deception.

Many times in the past she has tried all sorts of ways to get Chloe to talk, since that hasn't worked, she now deceived her "best friend" to get the secret out. All the secrets and lies that she complains about, she does the same thing...after this, I dont want to hear her whine and moan anymore about it.



EXACTLY:D. . .FINALLY someone with enough sense to TELL IT LIKE SHE SEES IT;). . .Lana DECIEVED Chloe BIG TIME by leading her to believe that she needed Chloe to get Lex's present:rolleyes:. . .Let me ask you this, why couldn't Lana go get the present herself, and why on earth would she hide it in the wine cellar:confused: IF she did not have an ulterior motive?. . .She knew EXACTLY what she was doing:rolleyes:

[HowardFilms]

Originally posted by cmm
Really I actually liked that scene it says to me that Lana is finally developing a backbone and a brain. I was impressed.

She didn't even know Chloe was in there. She just saw the door open and was afraid Lex would be mad so she shut it for him.

I also love how clark has like 7000 types of vision, and is too blind to see Lana hiding in the wine shelf like a foot away from him.

[MetroGirl06]

Clark would have eventually told lana himself. What was wrong is that she used one of her closest friends in a ploy that would get her clarks secret. It wasnt that chloe was put in danger but try to get the big picture! Lana USED Chloe to get to clark! She really is a Luthor.

[Chloe Sullivan 2010]

But until i found out that lana locked her in ther i thought it was funny. wait I still do. Im sorry but having to call Clark because you got locked to a wine celler? Dont tell me thats not at least a little funny? :rotfl:

[SmallvilleMan]

Okay, well then if Lana is "really a Luther". Then Chloe is really an idiot.......Seriously, hmmm the door mysterious locked and now I'm stuck in here, getting something Lana asked me to get, when he phone is suddenly shut off. That raise any flags?

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan

Yeah, instead she would stoop lower and betray Clark to Lionel......Whoops:o

As I RECALL, Chloe had a slight lapse in judgement. . .She turned to Lionel, because she was upset that Lana and Clark did not tell her that they were together. . .They should have been HONEST with her. . .Even though Chloe was wrong, Clark forgave her, because he pushed her away. . .SINCE then, Chloe has grown up and has PROVEN herself TIME AFTER TIME that she is a LOYAL, DEVOTED friend :D. . .Lana could really take some pointers from Chloe:D

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Okay, well then if Lana is "really a Luther". Then Chloe is really an idiot.......Seriously, hmmm the door mysterious locked and now I'm stuck in here, getting something Lana asked me to get, when he phone is suddenly shut off. That raise any flags?

well she didnt 'expect her "best friend" to lock her in a wine cellar.

[MetroGirl06]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Okay, well then if Lana is "really a Luther". Then Chloe is really an idiot.......Seriously, hmmm the door mysterious locked and now I'm stuck in here, getting something Lana asked me to get, when he phone is suddenly shut off. That raise any flags?


That was just the writers! They couldnt think of anything more complicated so they made Chloe call clark to get the plot moving faster! They've been doing that alot lately

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
As I RECALL, Chloe had a slight lapse in judgement. . .She turned to Lionel, because she was upset that Lana and Clark did not tell her that they were together. . .They should have been HONEST with her. . .Even though Chloe was wrong, Clark forgave her, because he pushed her away. . .SINCE then, Chloe has grown up and has PROVEN herself TIME AFTER TIME that she is a LOYAL, DEVOTED friend :D. . .Lana could really take some pointers from Chloe:D

lapse in judgment pshhh...she betryaed clark plain and simple there is no excuse. yes clark has forgiven her but she still did it.

[Tomsgurl88]

Everyone has their low points, desperate times call for desperate measures.

[Chloe Sullivan 2010]

now mrs. and mr. luthor and demon baby call all live happily ever after! *rolls eyes*

[Deana]

Originally posted by myankskent
This was a solid move by Lana. I can't blame her for doing it quite honestly and it was a smart move to find out the truth about Clark. It's not like she put Chloe in danger or anything, Chloe was locked in a room...big deal. So true and she was in the room with her. It's not like she locked her in there and ran giggling upstairs. :rolleyes:

[monstra]

Originally posted by Deana
So true and she was in the room with her. It's not like she locked her in there and ran giggling upstairs. :rolleyes:

lmao! :rotfl:

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Deana
It's not like she locked her in their and ran giggling upstairs. :rolleyes:

Now THAT would had been funny! :rotfl:

[SmallvilleMan]

As I RECALL, Chloe had a slight lapse in judgement. . .She turned to Lionel, because she was upset that Lana and Clark did not tell her that they were together. . .They should have been HONEST with her. . .Even though Chloe was wrong, Clark forgave her, because he pushed her away. . .SINCE then, Chloe has grown up and has PROVEN herself TIME AFTER TIME that she is a LOYAL, DEVOTED friend . . .Lana could really take some pointers from Chloe

Yeah, lapse in judgement......More like Jealous B.....


well she didnt 'expect her "best friend" to lock her in a wine cellar.

True, but it did seem fishy.......Chloe hasn't been too smart lately, not with her CK folder on her computer and now this. She must know that Lana was desparate and wanted to know so bad....etc...

[lanekent08]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
She's NOT a friend at all. . .She's NEVER been one:rolleyes:. . .Chloe has ALWAYS been a good friend to Lana:D. . .Soryy, I can't say the same for Lana:\

I totally agree with you... while Chloe is al loyal and caring... see what Lana did to her, just to satisfy her curiosity... she's a Luthor indeed

[TiaCata007]

The wine cellar scene was a pivotal moment of truth.

The episode should have been titled "Desperation" instead of "Promise". Shows what people will do out of desperation - lock your friend up to find out a secret or manipulate someone into marrying you, or threaten someone to get them to marry your son. Or propose to your dog...

Don't really know why Lana would want the burden and responsiblity of keeping someone's secret. Got obsessed.

Lex has the most worthless security systems I've ever seen. He should just get a couple of dogs.

[meggy]

well, it can be argued that Chloe could have called someone else...true...maybe Martha...certainly not Lex or Lionel...Lana wasn't answering....so who else was there....i'm sure she didnt expect that it was a set up....

and yes, perhaps they could be a bit more careful when talking about his powers..cause who knows who could have been around...still cant excuse Lana out of desperation or anything...cause if we use desperation as a reason..hell, ALL the characters can go psycho all the time, and all hell could break loose in SV and Metropolis considering everything they go through week after week...but where do we draw the line between what is wrong and right?...the ends or the means?....truth and deceit?

it reminds me of when Clark asked Ollie if he fully believed that the ends justified the means..and Ollie said yes. That is one thing that differentiates "Superman"/CK from the rest.....using a person that way is wrong...i didnt think the ends justified the means here....and i would say the same thing if she locked Lois, Martha, Pete or Shelby :D in the cellar

[Rhaspodel]

I feel for Lana; it's about time she pulled up her A-game and start taking the offense instead of the defense! Knowing how she did this to Chloe, couldn't even imagine what plan she is going do to Lionel in "Nemesis" (ironically true to the title).

Also a note, I feel like a Season 4 flashback because Alicia organized the car demo for Chloe to see the truth; ironically, Lana uses Chloe to find out the truth about Clark!

[Charissa70]

I just thought it was poor writing to get something done. Locked in the cellar for 30 seconds and she calls Clark. She should have realized the way the door closed, it wasn't closing by itself. AND, Chloe has been very busy with this wedding, she didn't have the #'s of anyone else at the mansion? It's making Chloe a little too dependent on Clark, which will lead to another break up with Jimmy who was missing in action in this episode along with Lois. (umm **?***) :lol: (Okay, Jimmy and Lois, now that is a couple that I can not picture at all-unless Jimmy is into dominatrix type stuff-she would run him over and have him fetching like a puppy in 5 minutes flat) :rotfl:

[prozodevr]

so lets see so far what she knows clark is made of steel...cannot be penerated..super strong...moves fast..and can shoot fire out of his eyes...hmm..if i were lana now what would say about this...ok...so he is not a meeor freak...he seems like a kryptonian...oh wait he is half human whose mother got raped by one of those freaks so he popped out and BOOM : I AM A HUMAN WHO HAVE SUPER ABILITIES. Stupid lana. I bet thats what she thinks.

[p.he.nix]

Originally posted by Deana
So true and she was in the room with her. It's not like she locked her in there and ran giggling upstairs. :rolleyes:

:lol: Too true. This Lana locking Chloe is being all hyped out for nothing IMO. It showed Lana being surprisingly clever and it sort of seemed to dumb Chloe down. Going down to a wine cellar, and the classic case of forgeting about the door.

[msleggie]

When I saw that Lana was the one that locked Chloe in the wine celler, I nearly jumped out of my seat! Me and my roommate (whom I got hooked on the show) started cursing at her for being so triflin, and sneaking, and most of all manipulative! But I have to admit, when I finished being shocked, upset, and confused, I got kind of happy. I would have never guessed that this is how lana would find out clark's secret. I guess her being around Lex all that time sort a kind of payed off.

[CLSmith]

Originally posted by ChlarkMe
The end does not justify the means.
What Alicia did was wrong and what Lana did was wrong.

Isn't it ironic that she resorted to trickery to get what she wanted, but if she had just waited a little longer Clark would have told her everything himself which is what I thought she always wanted. Lana didn't know that.

Sometimes ya gotta take the initiative.

As I f****ing said before if BDA/CK didn't swoop in she would've been right there in a flash. I ain't talking Bart Allen either.

-cs™

[TheRowdy]

As said earlier in this thread:

Chloe would never betray Clark

On the other hand...

Lana not only betrayed Chloe as well as put her life in "possible" danger but also betrayed Clark using trickery. I'm sure if Clark REALLY wanted Lana to know his secret he would have eventually told her when the time was right and when he needed to, not on Lana's terms. Chloe was willing to wait when Clark was ready.

[CLSmith]

Originally posted by prozodevr
so lets see so far what she knows clark is made of steel...cannot be penerated..super strong...moves fast..and can shoot fire out of his eyes...hmm..if i were lana now what would say about this...ok...so he is not a meeor freak...he seems like a kryptonian...oh wait he is half human whose mother got raped by one of those freaks so he popped out and BOOM : I AM A HUMAN WHO HAVE SUPER ABILITIES. Stupid lana. I bet thats what she thinks. That's what Chloe though when she first found out.

Check out season 4's Blank!

Who be the stupid now eh?

I understand you dislike her and you wanna spin it to make Lana look like a fool.

Well played you should go into politics. ;)

-cs™

[fitmis]

Bottom Line...Lana was there...she could have rescued Chloe if Clark did not arrive....or...called Lex's Security or 911 for help....PERIOD.

[The Great Ymmij]

Good conclusion fitmis.

[LuthorKent90]

Lana is officially evil! :eek:

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by CLSmith
That's what Chloe though when she first found out.

Check out season 4's Blank!

Who be the stupid now eh?

I understand you dislike her and you wanna spin it to make Lana look like a fool.

Well played you should go into politics. ;)

-cs™ 'blank' was before the events in 'arrival' when lana and lois and a few other people got an up close and personal look at kryptonians.

[Uffr]

Still it'd be funny to think if Clark didn't show up and Lana just forgets her there goes on her honeymoon and thinks to herself, "Hmm is there something I'm forgetting... oh well it's probably not that important".

[prozodevr]

Originally posted by CLSmith
That's what Chloe though when she first found out.

Check out season 4's Blank!

Who be the stupid now eh?

I understand you dislike her and you wanna spin it to make Lana look like a fool.

Well played you should go into politics. ;)

-cs™

Shut up!!! CLSmith:mad: :mad: :mad:

[BABarracus]

this remind me of the way chloe found out same way but no teleportations

clark so stupid never thinks to xray the room first or the building to be exact such as when lana had that stalker or use his super hearing when some one is hiding out side but only when it wont ruin the story causing the episode to end early

[svsabbiesv]

well Lana wanted the truth...haha sad that it was on her wedding day lol

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by fitmis
Bottom Line...Lana was there...she could have rescued Chloe if Clark did not arrive....or...called Lex's Security or 911 for help....PERIOD.

Why do I doubt that?
Lana is such a craptastic friend that I would imagine her just leaving Chloe there because nothing came of her brilliant plan.

Lana risked Chloe's life for selfish purposes...I highly doubt that makes for a caring person on the inside.

Lana needs to be fully evil or killed off.
I hate this wishy-washiness of her character. It's inconsistent jibber-jabber.


Originally posted by svsabbiesv
well Lana wanted the truth...haha sad that it was on her wedding day lol

That's great, but not at the expense of her "best friend"'s life.

[SmallvilleMan]

Chloe did betray Clark.........And if Lana is evil for locking Chloe in the wine cellar for 30 seconds, then Chloe is the devil.

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Chloe did betray Clark.........And if Lana is evil for locking Chloe in the wine cellar for 30 seconds, then Chloe is the devil.

Clark forgave Chloe, after she had to pay for her mistake by almost getting killed and blackmailed by Lionel Luthor.

Lana?
Has no consequences EVER.

Lana risked SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE.
That's all I have to know.

[SmallvilleMan]

Fine, you want to use the because Clark forgave her everything will be ok. That's fine, Chloe will forgive Lana and that will be that. There's no consequences for Lana? Her consequences are marrying Lex. As for Chloe, what she did was still 10 times worse and she got what she deserved for messing with the wrong guy.

[cmm]

Originally posted by HowardFilms
She didn't even know Chloe was in there. She just saw the door open and was afraid Lex would be mad so she shut it for him.

I also love how clark has like 7000 types of vision, and is too blind to see Lana hiding in the wine shelf like a foot away from him.

Huh?!?! I was under the impression she sent Chloe down there to get lex's present.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lana risked SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE.

No, she didn't, can Chloe die from being in the cold for 2 seconds? Nope, not even close.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Locking her best friend in the cellar.......that's what Lana calls 'bending the rules'.....
:rolleyes:

[biggkoz]

Cell phone reception in a dungeon hmmmm

[SmallvilleMan]

I wonder how much Chloe suffered for those 2 seconds. Maybe we'll see that in the next saw movie:rotfl:

[Lex is a god]

I was impressed with Lana. I didn't know she could be so devious!

[niki]

Originally posted by biggkoz
Cell phone reception in a dungeon hmmmm

ROFL. I'm SO glad I wasn't the only one that thought that.
I guess Lex has excellent cell phone reception put up everywhere in the mansion ... just in case he wants to make the random cell phone call while chugging some wine in the cellar. ;)

Anyhoos ... it really seemed like a case of 'desperate times call for desperate measures'. Nell even advised her that if she needed to get something straightened out, she should before she walks down the aisle.

She's known Clark has a secret for so long, knows that Chloe knows, and put two and two together. I really don't think she was putting Chloe's life in danger at all because she could have easily let her out if Clark hadn't arrived, and she 'bent the rules' because she had to know before she said 'I do.'

Unfortunately she found out and said 'I do' anyway.
Oh Lionel, haha.

[citizenlen]

For Christ's sake, she was there for less than 5 secs. It's not like she was gonna run out of oxygen. Lana was outside and if the plan failed, she could have gotten Chloe out. The anti-Lana is getting ridiculous when little things like this is blown out of proportion. Isn't there anybody in this board who like both girls like I do. I actually liked the scene of Chloe giving Clark a handful.
Lana just wanted resolve and her waiting for Clark to tell her the truth, even though he would have was wishful thinking on her part. She has waited for freakin 6 years for him to man up. Actually, the only one who man up was Lana. lol.

[Skykisser]

Originally posted by p.he.nix
:lol: Too true. This Lana locking Chloe is being all hyped out for nothing IMO. It showed Lana being surprisingly clever and it sort of seemed to dumb Chloe down. Going down to a wine cellar, and the classic case of forgeting about the door.
lol, I totally agree, all this outcry is ridiculous. I enjoyed this move by Lana. :D

[Gabreya]

She sort of deserved it.She's always up if people's business! And I know she's always in Clark's! She's full of it!

[staph]

Do you guys know the truly sad part of all this. The show is so bad and the writing is so pathetic that they solved the mystery in 1 minute and they could not do this over the last 6 years. That is almost the time it takes to become a lawyer for gods sakes. They finally let Lana find out with the easiest of ways that could have been though up by a 1 year old baby. HIDE and WATCH Clark use his powers. HHMMMM wow so complicated of a plot. ( Sarcasm) Let me guess why she could not do this 5 seasons ago instead of playing stupid and trying to hack into Chloe encrypted computer or taking pictures of his loft. It is because every character is seriously retarded with some kind of tumor until the day the writers decide to give them an IQ of 400 and then 5 minutes later they are mongolic again. Wow the eritong on this show really sinks it like the Titanic. Bon Voyage everyone,.

[KAL23]

Now hold on this show is not bad its the best and by the way the Writng this year has been the best since season 1

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I wonder how much Chloe suffered for those 2 seconds.

:lol:

Donno what's more funny, people's relation to Chloe being stuck in a colder for two seconds or the fact Chloe just didn't even wait a bit longer before calling Clark.

She could at least tried a second time for Lana before calling Clark, I mean that's what people usually do when they don't get a hold of someone the first time around. :rolleyes:

[j-kent]

it'd be kinda nice to have a Clark to get you outta crap like that...

"Hello, Clark? I locked my keys in my car!"

ooo lol he would own that car door

[madCoder]

Initially, when Clark went into the cellar and they were talking so openly about his powers (in the LUTHOR MANSION, no less!) I had a strange surprised feeling that anyone could have been watching and listening to them, or cameras or some kind of listening device could have been down there. I mean it's Lex's home. I thought it was kind of silly that they would be talking like that so openly. And then when Lana sent her into the cellar and locked her in, it just confirmed that there was someone watching.

I agree that it was kind of a lame way to have her find out (pretty much the same way that Chloe found out). The difference here is that Chloe honestly had no clue whatsoever. What was nice about this was that Lana knew quite a bit about Clark. She's known that he is "different" for years, but never knew the extent. In the recent episodes, she's been actually finding out clues of specific powers. So it makes sense that she got so close she just wanted to actually see him use his powers.

But on the subject of continuity, I would *really* like to see how it plays out when she starts asking about her kryptonite necklace, which she found in Clark's bedroom ("neutralized" by the ship). I really hope that they don't forget about that, because that's one of the biggest pieces of continuity that will push the story of her learning about Clark.

But really, I could also see this going in the direction where Lana always knows Clark's secret, and always keeps Lex off the trail, but never confronts Clark about it. Kind of like Chloe was before Season 5 when she had to come clean to Clark. Except its possible that Lana will never tell Clark that she knows. Then when Superman surfaces and Lois Lane gets her huge article and finds out that he's an alien and all that, *thats* when Lana will find out that he's an alien. It could go either way, but if they decide to just let Lana keep her secret (of knowing his secret), I will be disappointed.

[SpeedDemon77]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this or not, but the right temperature inside a cellar for chilled white wine storage is anywhere between 50 and 59 degrees Fahrenheit. For red wines it is about ten degrees higher. I'm sure Lex, perfectionist that he is, wouldn't have his wine storage cooler set at anything much more or less than that. Seriously, it's hardly cold enough to "freeze" Chloe to death in the matter of a day or two, let alone a few minutes. Considering that people are exposed to this sort of temperature all the time and never suffer even the mildest cases of hypothermia, that should be clear enough.

Lana wasn't doing anything that endangered her friend's life, so everyone needs to relax and chill.....

Pun intended, thank you. :D

[Angel7]

Originally posted by ChlarkFan01
she really is a Luthor and she hasn't even married him yet!! Man this episode is so bad

Its about time some1 put chloe in her place.

Good move by lana

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Angel7
Its about time some1 put chloe in her place.

Good move by lana
Oh no, it's you again...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Detorio]

:lol: Indeed she did. Had me reeling that one... :lol: how mean of Lana

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by thehenry89
she could have died...how very friend like of lana.

Oh god, Chloe wouldn't have died. Lana was standing right there, if Clark didn't show then Lana would have surely let her out.

[SpeedDemon77]

Yeah, Chloe's been dropped from a high bridge, run off the road in her car by a teacher's deranged kid, nearly impaled by flying sharp objects, almost axed by a hypnotized Lana, actually RUN over by a hypnotized Clark, barely missed being blown to bits in a safehouse rigged with explosives, was on the verge of being sliced and diced by an obsessed madman....but she's gonna die from being locked in a wine cooler for a few minutes.

I was never more in fear for Chloe's life than I was in this episode.

[Lobby4Chloe]

Aren't those cooler things refridgerated? It's not just a room I don't think.

Lana probably would have let her out and pretended like she didn't know, but it was safe bet on Lana's part that Clark would show up.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Angel7
Its about time some1 put chloe in her place.

Good move by lana

And her place is in the wine cellar? Are you saying that Chloe should become a sommelier? :lol:

[Krypton935]

I was shocked when they went back and showed that. I was standing up and i just collapsed on the floor. (I do this every week no wonder i have so many bruises)
I didn't think that lana would do that to chloe to find out clark's secret. Assuming that's why she did it. But it really was crazy!

[AlwaysAround]

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this or not, but the right temperature inside a cellar for chilled white wine storage is anywhere between 50 and 59 degrees Fahrenheit. For red wines it is about ten degrees higher. I'm sure Lex, perfectionist that he is, wouldn't have his wine storage cooler set at anything much more or less than that. Seriously, it's hardly cold enough to "freeze" Chloe to death in the matter of a day or two, let alone a few minutes. Considering that people are exposed to this sort of temperature all the time and never suffer even the mildest cases of hypothermia, that should be clear enough.

Lana wasn't doing anything that endangered her friend's life, so everyone needs to relax and chill.....

Pun intended, thank you. :D

All this fighting back and forth and hemming and hawing and then finally someone clues everyone in that a wine cellar in not a true "freezer" but more like a large refrigerator that runs at a slightly warmer temperature than your average frigidare.
It's about time someone clued us all in.

So . . . bottom line is: Chloe was never in any danger at all.
It was still sneaky of Lana, but not an outright betrayal like a certain best friend we all know.:rolleyes:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
It was still sneaky of Lana, but not an outright betrayal like a certain best friend we all know.:rolleyes:
I believe she referred to it as 'bending the rules'...
:rolleyes:

[IaMJeN]

i don't know if lana did anything to it but...did anyone else wonder why clark HAD to break the handle? xD HAHA, he could have just opened it up normally and lana's plan would have failed...

but hey, i'm not complaining :D i loved that lana finally knows clark's secret

and i totally agree with everyone about chloe NOT being in any danger at all. she was in there for like a few seconds, sheesh :O lana would have opened up the cellar and let chloe out if clark did not come. :]

[Shadow116]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
I was NOT surprised that Lana would stoop so LOW to find out Clark's secret:rolleyes:. . .I mean she LOCKED her best friend in the FREEZING wine cellar:mad:. . .How MEAN is that?:mad:. . .This goes to show you that you can't TRUST Lana:rolleyes:

Nope just means you can't trust SV Lana :lol:
I would trust comic book Lana :D

[Dannyblue1]

This is a hoot and a half.

What Lana did was sneaky and underhanded. Period. The fact that Chloe's life wasn't in any danger (which I never thought it was) is besides the point. Lana set a trap using Chloe as bait to find out something she wanted to know.

Whether the trap was dangerous or not is besides the point. (Although, if Chloe had been harmed by what Lana did, it would have been completely Lana's fault.)

Now, was what Lana did kinda clever? I thought it was, for an SV character anyway.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

Was what Lana did understandable? Sort of, considering how obsessed and frustrated she's been over this whole "secrets and lies" business.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

Does doing what she did mean Lana's evil? Not really.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

Do I think Lana would've left Chloe in there to really suffer? Nope.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

And I got no problem with Lana being sneaky and underhanded if they let her own it. In fact, I think it would be interesting if the girl had some gray in her.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by IaMJeN
i don't know if lana did anything to it but...did anyone else wonder why clark HAD to break the handle? xD HAHA, he could have just opened it up normally and lana's plan would have failed...

You must have missed it, but Lana locked Chloe in the wine cooler.

The whole thing is silly.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Personally, with all the good stuff, I would have gotten plastered !

[Chloestheone]

I just want to know who is Chloe's cell phone carrier. It actually worked in an underground wine cellar.:)

[Professor Chaos]

It was a pretty irritating and self centered thing to do, imo. If I had a friend who was guilt tripping me into telling them a secret about me and time after time I refused, only to have them trick me into revealing it i'd be pretty damn pissed.

I hope Clark finds out about this so he can stop with the mopey "I love you, will you marry me" ******** and have a reason to be mad at her. Then I could see them moving on and becoming friends.

But atleast now she knows and she can stop with the "Thecrets and Lieths" ****..:rolleyes:

[jessica_94]

i think that lana did do the right move chole was the perfect target cause she does call lana or clark for help but what was the point in finding out his secret she still married lex

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by biggkoz
Cell phone reception in a dungeon hmmmm yeah, i thought the same daggone thing. i gotta find out which carrier she uses...and i don't believe for a minute that it's sprint. they suck.


Originally posted by j-kent
it'd be kinda nice to have a Clark to get you outta crap like that...

"Hello, Clark? I locked my keys in my car!"

ooo lol he would own that car door :rotfl:


.....




there is right, there is wrong but forgivable, there is inexcusable unforgivable.

this was of the sort where as long as she apologizes, both to chloe for using her and to clark for cheating to get his secret...i see both of them forgiving her. that is the ultimate test. if a friend is willing to forgive transgressions, which i think chloe and clark after all they've seen would agree are mild, then the viewers should be okay.

i'm in no way a lana fan, and have said since last nights episode that she threw away the good momentum she built up, but this minor little plot point isn't why for me.

[hansioux]

Originally posted by Chloestheone
I just want to know who is Chloe's cell phone carrier. It actually worked in an underground wine cellar.:)

It's called 3G CDMA. throw away your GSM crappy Cingular T-Mobile and you'd know why all business phones are CDMA.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by hansioux
It's called 3G CDMA. throw away your GSM crappy Cingular T-Mobile and you'd know why all business phones are CDMA.

It depends on where the cell tower is located. Voice quality is far superior on GSM and 3G GSM than CDMA and CDMA 2000.

[CaptainObvious]

Forget the cell phone coverage. I was glad to see Lana showing some initiative in proving her theory to herself that there's more to Clark Kent than meets the eye. Now she has the secret of knowing Clark's secret but he doesn't know that she knows!! Eeek!

[kal-el_Girl]

this confirms that she's evil, see I told you!

[Pandora24]

I thought Lana locking Chloe in the wine cellar was an excellent way to find out Clark's secret.

Chloe wasn't in any immediate danger and if Clark hadn't shown up, Lana would've let her out.

Yes, it was manipulative, but y'know what? I don't care. Good for Lana. She finally found out for herself a big part of Clark's secret. Chloe didn't tell her, which I understand b/c she was protecting Clark's secret. Clark didn't tell her b/c he wanted to protect her. Whatever, his call even if I don't agree with it. I wanted Lana to know Clark's secret and now she does, so I'm happy. Now I'm anxious to see if she has the guts to not let herself be railroaded by Lionel. Yes, he manipulated her into marrying Lex, but I hope she'll use that brain of hers to turn the tables on Lionel...or at least find a way out of her present situation cuz she can, she can! She just has to use her brain.:)

[jaime,oburg]

I just got a flashback of the crap that Alicia pulled on Clark when she used Chloe after viewing that scene.
I usually am annoyed by Lana's actions and decisions but I'll cut her some slack on this one. Before she was about to make the biggest mistake of her life she needed to find out the truth before she went through with her marriage to Lex. Of course waiting until the day of your wedding was bad timing to say the least but then that wouldn't exactly be very dramatic huh?
Maybe the Luthor is rubbing off on her to pull off such a devious setup. But after 6 years of playing the fair and honest game I have to admit I too got sick of the fact that Lana still couldn't figure out Clark's secret. By any means possible at this point. Whoa, now I am sounding like a Luthor. *Jaime shivers*

[SpeedDemon77]

^^Exactly!

Besides, it's not like hasn't already told Chloe outright that she would find out what she wanted to know about Clark on her own. She just let Chloe play a role in it.

The girl did what needed to be done in order to find out....and fast. She didn't have time to waste, d*mn it! Her wedding was only hours away.

[mobiusklein]

Lana is a jackass and a hypocrite. She tricks people, hides stuff from them, herself. She needs to shut the hell up about secrets and lies.

[Peat Moss]

quote--- This is a hoot and a half.

What Lana did was sneaky and underhanded. Period. The fact that Chloe's life wasn't in any danger (which I never thought it was) is besides the point. Lana set a trap using Chloe as bait to find out something she wanted to know.

Whether the trap was dangerous or not is besides the point. (Although, if Chloe had been harmed by what Lana did, it would have been completely Lana's fault.)

Now, was what Lana did kinda clever? I thought it was, for an SV character anyway.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

Was what Lana did understandable? Sort of, considering how obsessed and frustrated she's been over this whole "secrets and lies" business.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

Does doing what she did mean Lana's evil? Not really.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

Do I think Lana would've left Chloe in there to really suffer? Nope.

It was still a sneaky and underhanded thing to do.

And I got no problem with Lana being sneaky and underhanded if they let her own it. In fact, I think it would be interesting if the girl had some gray in her.



Well said. The point is not that Chloe was not in danger. The point is that, after all her talk about honesty, she deceived both of them, using Chloe as bait to find out Clark's secret.

And what is all this crap about desperation? She did what she had to do? She didn't have to know Clark's secret. It certainly shouldn't be her criteria for whether or not she marries Lex.
"Let's see, if Clark has superpowers, i'll marry him, otherwise Lex will do even though i'm deathly afraid of him."

Clark's secret is hardly even any of her business. She certainly does not have the right to stop at nothing to find it out.

[Mr. Wrong]

Gee, she steals a page out of the Alicia textbook and a mindless CK comes rushing in to the rescue and doesn't even stop to look for cameras or intruders in the Luthor mansion before doing his thing. What crap!

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Lana is a jackass and a hypocrite. She tricks people, hides stuff from them, herself. She needs to shut the hell up about secrets and lies.

:rotfl:

Did you not watch the episode, Lana learned the secret, meaning she won't ask anymore.

You need to shimmer down, I've never seen someone type so angrily towards a fictional character. :lol:

[Skykisser]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
All this fighting back and forth and hemming and hawing and then finally someone clues everyone in that a wine cellar in not a true "freezer" but more like a large refrigerator that runs at a slightly warmer temperature than your average frigidare.
It's about time someone clued us all in.

So . . . bottom line is: Chloe was never in any danger at all.
It was still sneaky of Lana, but not an outright betrayal like a certain best friend we all know.:rolleyes:
Spot on! I totally agree. :)

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Peat Moss
Well said. The point is not that Chloe was not in danger. The point is that, after all her talk about honesty, she deceived both of them, using Chloe as bait to find out Clark's secret.

And what is all this crap about desperation? She did what she had to do? She didn't have to know Clark's secret. It certainly shouldn't be her criteria for whether or not she marries Lex.
"Let's see, if Clark has superpowers, i'll marry him, otherwise Lex will do even though i'm deathly afraid of him."

Clark's secret is hardly even any of her business. She certainly does not have the right to stop at nothing to find it out.

That's really the whole point. Knowing Clark's secret is suddenly the linchpin holding her life in the balance? She really must be a Luthor, because that's not curiosity, or love...that's obsession.

And really, think about how the scene as a whole played out:

After Chloe sees through Lana's attempts at staying strong and still asks if there's anything she can do for her, Lana's first thought is, "Um, actually...yeah Chloe, you can do something for me. You can be an accessory in my plot to reveal my ex-boyfriend's secret so I can decide if I should be with him or the father of my unborn child."

Be cavalier about the level of danger Chloe was put in all you want. Everything about what Lana did was morally bankrupt. Frankly, I don't think it's wise for either Clark or Lex to invest themselves in someone so emotionally unstable that they would make real life decisions based on how easy a situation will work out for them in the end.

Shrug.

[Bumperjeep]

what an terrible way to reveal the secret.

[umm]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
That's really the whole point. Knowing Clark's secret is suddenly the linchpin holding her life in the balance? She really must be a Luthor, because that's not curiosity, or love...that's obsession.

And really, think about how the scene as a whole played out:

After Chloe sees through Lana's attempts at staying strong and still asks if there's anything she can do for her, Lana's first thought is, "Um, actually...yeah Chloe, you can do something for me. You can be an accessory in my plot to reveal my ex-boyfriend's secret so I can decide if I should be with him or the father of my unborn child."

Be cavalier about the level of danger Chloe was put in all you want. Everything about what Lana did was morally bankrupt. Frankly, I don't think it's wise for either Clark or Lex to invest themselves in someone so emotionally unstable that they would make real life decisions based on how easy a situation will work out for them in the end.

Shrug.

I quite agree! Locking Chloe in a freezing wine cellar, where she could have died if not rescued in time, is low and despicable! And Doing that to a person one supposedly considers ones best friend or a sister one never had! Lana should be ashamed! Pure and simple!

[Jack-El49]

Originally posted by thehenry89
she could have died...how very friend like of lana.

Oh, the humanity of it! :rolleyes:

Died of what?

Exposure? Wine cellars are not meat freezers.

Suffocation? They are not airtight either.

Starvation? Lana was a few yards away - she didn't leave for Paris. If Clark hadn't shown in a few minutes, I'm sure Lana would not have walked out of the wine cellar and thought, "Shoot, I guess it's time for plan B" leaving Chloe locked in there until the next time they needed some Dom Perignon at the dinner table of the Luthor mansion.

Consider this point: would Chloe have agreed to help her friend if Lana had told her of her suspicions and wanted to find out for herself by setting Clark up? Nope!

Chloe is okay but IMHO, she relishes the fact that she's the only girl who knows Clark's secret. Yes, she's suggested to CK that he tell Lana his secret but she doesn't badger him about it. I think Chloe's content knowing CK's true secret because that makes her special to him and the only thing that she has over Lana.

She could care less that her closest girlfriend Lana, (who has never done any harm to her) means less to her than Clark, who never willingly trusted Chloe with his secret and continually rejects her love. In fact, her closest girlfriend means so little to Chloe that she does nothing to help as she's getting her heart crushed by Clark or to help her understand the basis of Clark's actions that might keep Lana from making a huge mistake.

Let's protect Clark's secret at Lana's expense.

How very friend like of Chloe.

[TheSupaMan]

Hell, I would've done it too if I thought the scenario would pan out. There aren't many people here that could honestly say they wouldn't. Now if she put Lana in harm's way, that's different. But she didn't.

[SmallMB512]

This was probably the best way this situation could have panned out. The wine cellar is not below freezing. It would have been cool, but not cold enough to hurt someone if they were only in there for a few minutes. Lana never left sight of the door, so if Clark no-showed, she could just call back the "missed call" on her cell phone (which she made sure she had with her, obviously to be able to do just that if it came down to it). It was actually kind of an ingenious way of handling this, in that it took Chloe off the hook for pushing for her to reveal Clark's secret (as in "doing an Alecia), only in her case, she set up the scenario herself, rather than wait for someone else to do it. Also with Clark being able to be fast enough to deflect both a bullet, and a bolt of electricity, as well as instantly be under her at the exact instant to catch her from a 40 foot fall through a skylight confirmed to her that the time Chloe would be in there should only be seconds if that... Both from Lex/Zod, and from his buddies Nam-Ek and Aethyr, she is fully aware from seeing first hand, the super speed, the heat vision, and (from the vault where the kryptonite was hidden), just the thing she set up here, picking up a very heavy steel door like it was made of balsa wood. She was very clever, and obviously had all the pieces put nicely together. Kind of like a six pack, that just needed the little plastic thingy to hold it all together...

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by ChlarkFan01
she really is a Luthor and she hasn't even married him yet!! Man this episode is so bad

Alicia did the same thing when she forced Chloe to find out Clark's secret

Alicia wasn't evil, she just wanted the truth to come out. Thats what Lana wanted...the truth

[Bonita_LovesSuperman]

Chlark fan 01...it wasnt a bad epi, you were upset because 1. there was no chlark...and 2. chloe told clark to tell lana.... it was a good sad epii... she didnt freak out and jump and say omg why why didnt you tell me, she kept it to herself:D

[Peat Moss]

vikingjedi, Lana doesn't deserve the truth. She can't handle the truth. And if Clark chooses not to tell her, that's his business. Just as it was his business not to tell the world like Alicia wanted him to.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Peat Moss
Just as it was his business not to tell the world like Alicia wanted him to.

agreed

[richard9820]

Originally posted by thehenry89
she could have died...how very friend like of lana. she would had let her out, chloe is the maid of honor

[dunkman]

Originally posted by thehenry89
she could have died...how very friend like of lana.

Relax. Chloe would NOT have died in the wine cellar. I was impressed by Lana's cleverness (which doesn't happen all the time).

And what is all this crap about desperation? She did what she had to do? She didn't have to know Clark's secret. It certainly shouldn't be her criteria for whether or not she marries Lex.
"Let's see, if Clark has superpowers, i'll marry him, otherwise Lex will do even though i'm deathly afraid of him."

[QUOTE]

This shows up again when Lois loves Superman but thinks Clark is a geek, & then when she finds out Clark is Superman she's fine about everything...

[foreversmallville]

Chloe wouldn't have died...and Lana and Chloe are firends. It wouldn't surprise me if later we find out that the two arranged the whole thing just to get the truth out of Clark. Sounds like a scheme of Chloe's. Good work girls!!!!

[supes0]

This shows up again when Lois loves Superman but thinks Clark is a geek, & then when she finds out Clark is Superman she's fine about everything... [/B]

This is pre crisis movie (in particular Superman 2, and even then, she is suspicious Clark is Superman, see Superman 2, the Donner Cut for how the reveal was orginally supposed to happen)

Post Crisis Comic Canon: Lois is engaged and in love with Clark Kent before she finds out he is Superman.

snapshot of how it happened:


http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp103.JPG
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http://www.redboots.net/comics/relate15.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp108.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp107.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp115.JPG

How he broke the news to Lana:

http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10211lg5.jpg
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[foreversmallville]

I have never read any of the comics...but that is why I have problems with the character of Lois. She never realy loved Clark...it is all about Superman with her. Lois loves Superman and actually thinks Clark is annoying.

On the other hand....Lana loves Clark and will aceept him as Superman...basically Lana already has. That is why Clark/Superman should be with Lana and not that other female...Oh what's her name????

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by foreversmallville
[B]I have never read any of the comics...but that is why I have problems with the character of Lois. She never realy loved Clark...it is all about Superman with her. Lois loves Superman and actually thinks Clark is annoying.

As someone above said, this isn't true of current Superman continuity. It hasn't been true since the 80's, in fact.

One of my favorite Superman moments was when Lois dumped Superman (very gently.) She told him what she felt for Superman was based on a fantasy, while what she felt for Clark was real love.

[supes0]

Originally posted by foreversmallville
[B]I have never read any of the comics...but that is why I have problems with the character of Lois. She never realy loved Clark...it is all about Superman with her. Lois loves Superman and actually thinks Clark is annoying.

If you read post crisis comics , which means the past 20 years, (starting with Man of Steel mini by Byrne in 1986, onwards ) you'll see that assertion is not true. It just isn't how it happens post crisis comic canon, as seen by the scans posted.

Pre crisis comics (pre 1985, the movies are based on the idea that Clark isn't the person but a goofy disguise. This changes with the crisis) both Lana and Lois treat Clark as a pest:

example of pre crisis Lana:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lana_and_clark_1980.png

Lois and Clark, the New Adventures of Superman also shows Lois in love with Clark. Lois in the Superman: The Animated Series and Justice League/Justice League Unlimited treats Clark as a rival but with respect.

But this is smallville and there is no Superman yet, and if the current path is any indication, I don't see this boy ever growing to become Superman.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Peat Moss
vikingjedi, Lana doesn't deserve the truth. She can't handle the truth. And if Clark chooses not to tell her, that's his business. Just as it was his business not to tell the world like Alicia wanted him to.

Lana after she had evidence that Clark was different, made it her mission to protect him in Freak and she did it again in Promise. So she can handle the truth.

And in this ep Clark was going to tell her his secret until Lana stopped him.

[Krypton935]

^agreed i think lana is definitly capable of the truth. after sprotected him i was not surprised when she stopped him from telling her.

[Rachel B]

If Chloe used that same maneuver to find out Clark's secret I wonder if it would be a problem? In S2 & 3 when Chloe was sneaking around, it was unforgivable. It was said that she was too nosey and needed to mind her own buisness. Now, not only has Lana snooped in Clark's bedroom, barn and Chloe's computer she used her "best friend" (after both girls decided that Clark's secret would stay out of their friendship via CRIMSON) to find out something that is really not her concern now that she is engaged to another man.

I agree that Clark should have told her when they were together. But once they had broken up, Clark is not obligated nor should he feel pressured to tell Lana anything.

It amazes me that Lana continues to get a free pass whenever she is sneaky or underhanded, but everyone else gets confronted or called out on their actions.

[margroks]

No, it was not a smart move nor was it justified in any way. She locked Chloe in a refrigerated room, endangering her for the sake of finding out Clark's secrets. It was bad enough that she lied her way onto the Kent farm and rooted through Clark's things in Tresspass but this was beyond the pale. Lying to a girl who is supposed to be your friend to find out info on Clark? THis showed Lana to be exacltly the kind of self-centered hypocrite she has always been with no way of redeeming her behavior.

Chloe looked online and disvovered one tiny bit of info on Clark, where he was adopted and that Lionel was behind MUC and people thought she should be drawn and quartered for it but now that Lana does something a hundred times worse, it's okay and Lana is using her brain? I don't think so. It showed us exactly why Clark should care nothing for this awful girl much less love her and why she should not be given a pass on her reprehensible behavior much less a pat on the back for a job well done.

This made Clark look like an underhanded homewrecker, making out with another man's fiance who is pregnant with his child right before their wedding and it sabotaged his character comepletely. Lana couldn't wait to jump into Lex Luthor's bed and she deserves to suffer the consequences. Besides the fact that this is a girl who left him, is constantly cruel to him, said she didn't know how she could ever have loved him though now suddenly feels trapped becasue she is having to suffer the consequences of her previous actions and any man with the elast bit of self respect would shun Lana like she had the plague.

None of what's happening excuses Lana for anything she's done, including not having the guts to tell Lex to his face but then, this is the girl who sent a "dear john" letter to a man on active service in season one and then lacked the same kind of guts to say it to his face, leaving him to be upset when he was fighting for his very survival in a war zone.

Nothing has changed with Lana in over six years. I have no sympathy for her at all and she deserves her fate completely. She's the worst kind of girl and deserves to have no friends at all. Clark is a moron and lacks any common sense or, apparently, morality to even look at her.

[All about Clark]

I agree on many points Margroks. Locking Chloe in a refrigerated room was just wrong. Her life wasn't in danger, but it is something you just don't do to your friend. I've said it before, Lana never treats Chloe as good as Chloe treats Lana, it's a shame.

I really feel that Chloe's and Clark's actions were just to save Lana at the last minute and wasn't OOC.

And Lana was just going to leave Lex a night on his wedding day, wow! How bad can you get. And she was totally stupid not to go to Clark in either explain she was going thru with the wedding or to tell Clark Lionel's threat, one or the other and she failed at both. She promised Clark and blew it off. She deserves her fate, I just wish Clark didn't have to be so destroyed by it.

[jr23344]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet...but did you notice this wine cellar lana trapped chloe in was the same wine cellar evil lex tied good lex in that episode in season 4...I think it was Oynx.

[Detorio]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Personally, with all the good stuff, I would have gotten plastered !

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[myankskent]

Originally posted by All about Clark

And she was totally stupid not to go to Clark in either explain she was going thru with the wedding or to tell Clark Lionel's threat, one or the other and she failed at both. She promised Clark and blew it off.


Well this I cannot agree with. Lionel told Lana specifically that he would kill Clark if she told anyone about the conversation, so I cannot get on Lana for standing Clark up. If she didn't, Lionel would've known since she was supposed to meet him at the time of the wedding and Clark would've been dead. Also, Lionel might have had people following Lana to make sure that she didn't tell anyone about the conversation for all Lana knew. It would've been an incredibly stupid move for Lana to even think about telling Clark in this episode, she was forced to either marry Lex or accept the fact that Clark might be killed.


Originally posted by jr23344
I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet...but did you notice this wine cellar lana trapped chloe in was the same wine cellar evil lex tied good lex in that episode in season 4...I think it was Oynx.

Was that the wine cellar? I thought that it was just the basement. I don't remember seeing bottles of wine in that episode but I could be wrong.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
Oh, the humanity of it! :rolleyes:

Died of what?

Exposure? Wine cellars are not meat freezers.

Suffocation? They are not airtight either.

Starvation? Lana was a few yards away - she didn't leave for Paris. If Clark hadn't shown in a few minutes, I'm sure Lana would not have walked out of the wine cellar and thought, "Shoot, I guess it's time for plan B" leaving Chloe locked in there until the next time they needed some Dom Perignon at the dinner table of the Luthor mansion.

Consider this point: would Chloe have agreed to help her friend if Lana had told her of her suspicions and wanted to find out for herself by setting Clark up? Nope!

Chloe is okay but IMHO, she relishes the fact that she's the only girl who knows Clark's secret. Yes, she's suggested to CK that he tell Lana his secret but she doesn't badger him about it. I think Chloe's content knowing CK's true secret because that makes her special to him and the only thing that she has over Lana.

She could care less that her closest girlfriend Lana, (who has never done any harm to her) means less to her than Clark, who never willingly trusted Chloe with his secret and continually rejects her love. In fact, her closest girlfriend means so little to Chloe that she does nothing to help as she's getting her heart crushed by Clark or to help her understand the basis of Clark's actions that might keep Lana from making a huge mistake.

Let's protect Clark's secret at Lana's expense.

How very friend like of Chloe.

Agreed. So Lana locked Chloe in the fridge. I don't agree with it, but she would not have endangered Chloe's life. I don't care what Lana does some people just aren't going to like her. Personally, I think some peoples' hate of a television character can't be healthy. How can a person enjoy a fake tv show with such hate for a fictional character? Man.

[freefall]

Originally posted by myankskent
I can't get on Lana's character for doing that. If she had put Chloe in danger, that would be another story. Plus, it's not like Lana even left the room, if Chloe didn't call Clark, she probably would've just opened the door for her. I'll call Lana on her crap, but I just can't get worked up about this.

I actually thought the whole scene was terribly funny. Chloe the smartest woman alive get herself locked up in a wine cellar, she's so gullible. Not to mention instead of calling the actual owner of the mansion to let her out or the security guards, 911 or other much more relevant people. She needed to call Clark instead. Oh wait, of course she had to, she's just a plot device.

KK was brilliant in the whole scene, that whole acting only with her own eyes, really have to give props to her.

I also couldn't get all worked up with Lana locking up Chloe, it's no big deal. She has always had this devious and manipulative side anyway, the audience have been forever calling on her crap, it's nothing new. Not to mention it's not like she's purposely staging an elaborate plan like dangling Chloe as a roadkill in front of mad traffic and see how Clark's gonna save her. Everyone is just desperate in this episode, and Lana is no exception.

[smallville_fetish]

I'm sure if Lex wanted to confirm Clark's secret he'd shoot Chloe in the back of the head and see if Clark can save her. Chloe's life was in no danger, what Lana did was harmless, simple, and clever. Of course, Lana would let Chloe out of the cellar when all fails-Chloe is the maid of honor. It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way that Chloe would call Clark over and ask him to use his powers for such a small thing. (She was only locked up for 2 minutes, and it's not like she couldn't have survived off those expense champagnes... drunk). Chloe has forgotten it is Lex's mansion and Lex could have cameras everywhere.

[Peat Moss]

(1) It doesn't matter that Chloe was not in danger--it's the principle of tricking and imprisoning your friend to get what you WANT (notice WANT, not NEED)
(2) Lionel's threat is her own false--she's so bad at keeping his secret! Besides, I seriously doubt Lionel could kill him just by knowing about Kryptonite. Everyone knows about kryptonite when he becoms Superman, and it doesn't become instantly easy for anyone to kill him.

[wolverine316]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way that Chloe would call Clark over and ask him to use his powers for such a small thing. (She was only locked up for 2 minutes, and it's not like she couldn't have survived off those expense champagnes... drunk). Chloe has forgotten it is Lex's mansion and Lex could have cameras everywhere.

Chloe can't tie her shoelaces without calling Clark to save her.

[samanta]

I don't think Chloe was in some danger (I believe Lana would unlocked her, at least I hope so). But what Lana did, was pretty unethical (she used Chloe - her best friend - without her permission) and sly.
In some strange way she's Luthor.

[wraith808]

A wine cellar is most certainly *not* freezing for *any* vintage. That part was refrigerated, so Chloe was in no danger...

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by wraith808
A wine cellar is most certainly *not* freezing for *any* vintage. That part was refrigerated, so Chloe was in no danger...
At least they didn't keep the red wines in the refrigerated part where Chloe was trapped.
Anyone notice???
I think she was trapped in the champagne section, actually (look at the bottle heads...). I am no expert, but champagne might be kept rather cold. Whereas Red wine? Hell no...

[globalbudd3]

After rewatching this eppy again, you will notice that Lana was very conflicted about using unconventional mean to find the "truth".

She expressed it when she was talking to aunt Nell in the bedroom scene before the wine cellar incident.


I don't think that Chloe was in real danger...remember, Lana was just outside the wine cellar. If Clark did not show up soon, she would have let her out.

Therefore, I don't think it was that bad. It is not like she buried Chloe alive in a cemetary to see if Clark would have rescued her.....hey actually that would have been a better scene...LOL

[Dannyblue1]

For all those insisting Lana locking Chloe in the wine celler was no big deal, imagine this.

A friend, someone you trust, locks you in a closet or basement for what they think is a good reason. Heck, for the same reason Lana locked Chloe in the celler. And they leave you in there for an hour or so. (Because that's at least how long Lana would've waited after going to the trouble of setting up a trap.) You're perfectly safe in there, except for it being kinda chilly. But you're still locked in a closet or basement.

You're telling me you'd be perfectly fine with that? That, if you knew what your friend had done, you wouldn't be furious? That you'd think it was okey-dokey for them to have lied to you, tricked you, and used you just to get something they wanted.

I seriously doubt it. And someone who did that to me wouldn't be my friend anymore.

Not without a lot of groveling.

[samanta]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
For all those insisting Lana locking Chloe in the wine celler was no big deal, imagine this.

A friend, someone you trust, locks you in a closet or basement for what they think is a good reason. Heck, for the same reason Lana locked Chloe in the celler. And they leave you in there for an hour or so. (Because that's at least how long Lana would've waited after going to the trouble of setting up a trap.) You're perfectly safe in there, except for it being kinda chilly. But you're still locked in a closet or basement.

You're telling me you'd be perfectly fine with that? That, if you knew what your friend had done, you wouldn't be furious? That you'd think it was okey-dokey for them to have lied to you, tricked you, and used you just to get something they wanted.

I seriously doubt it. And someone who did that to me wouldn't be my friend anymore.

Not without a lot of groveling.

I agree with you. It wasn't dangerous, but it was unethical. But can't say I'm suprised Lana sometimes does things like this.

[mobiusklein]

Agreed, Dannyblue1. Also all this cheery talk about Luthor rubbing off on Lana, shouldn't you acknowledge that Lana picked up BAD HABITS and not pretend Lex bad, Lana OK while doing SIMILAR THINGS? PLEASE!

If a friend uses you to hook some guy into some banging, I'd think you would be pissed. Or uses you to get to someone else's secret and YOU might be blamed for divulging said secret. Come on!

[Billy Jor-El]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
I was NOT surprised that Lana would stoop so LOW to find out Clark's secret:rolleyes:. . .I mean she LOCKED her best friend in the FREEZING wine cellar:mad:. . .How MEAN is that?:mad:. . .This goes to show you that you can't TRUST Lana:rolleyes:

Well, a wine cellar isn't freezing, more like in the 40s (F) I believe. Still, it was (pardon the pun) cold of her. It's the Luthor side of Miss Pink, devious, plotting, whatever it takes to get what she wants.

When the scene replayed with it apparent what happened, it was blindingly clear that she expected Clark to save Chloe and thus get an idea what Farm Boy is about...and about time.

The big question....what will Chloe think when her "best friend" is exposed as the one that intentionally locked her in there?

[mobiusklein]

Also if I were Chloe I'd think, OK you witch, the ONLY reason YOU made me bridesmaid was to set me up like this, not because you give a damn. and she'd be in her rights to think this.

[Honey45]

Originally posted by thehenry89
she could have died...how very friend like of lana.

How could she have died.. it's not a meat freezer.
Lana would have let Chloe out if Clark hadn't shown up, saying something like "You were taking a long time, I got worried".

It's Lana's winecellar too.. I'm sure she knows how to unlock it.


Originally posted by mobiusklein
Also if I were Chloe I'd think, OK you witch, the ONLY reason YOU made me bridesmaid was to set me up like this, not because you give a damn. and she'd be in her rights to think this.

I don't think Chloe ever found out Lana locked the winecellar door.
Obivously after Clark left, Chloe would go upstairs looking for Lana, but we aren't shown that.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by HeddyH
How could she have died.. it's not a meat freezer.
Lana would have let Chloe out if Clark hadn't shown up, saying something like "You were taking a long time, I got worried".

It's Lana's winecellar too.. I'm sure she knows how to unlock it.

Completely missed the point.

I have no doubt that Chloe was relatively safe in the wine celler (although being that cold is not pleasant), and Lana would've let her out if Clark hadn't.

The point is that Lana did it in the first place. She used and tricked her supposed friend for her own personal gain.

I'm very sure that, if Lana had had to let Chloe out, she would've used your excuse. And she would've been lying because she knew Chloe would've been rightfully mad if she'd known the truth.

[mobiusklein]

Look, if someone had locked LANA somewhere to get to Clark's truth, I feel a lot of nonchalant Lana fans would be screaming EVOL or at least what a nosy little witch/bastard.

Rules apply to everybody equally. Lana doesn't get a special pass because Al Gough and Miles thinks her farts smell like ambrosia.

[Luv Clana/Hate Lexana]

Oh good lord.

All I've heard is how people feel sorry for Lex in this episode. Yet, he killed a doctor in a church.

Whereas Lana locked her friend in a wine cellar for what she knew would be a very short amount of time. You don't need Sherlock's help to know that she would have let her out, had Clark not come.

Don't get me started on how Lana isn't a very good friend to Chloe.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
Oh good lord.

All I've heard is how people feel sorry for Lex in this episode. Yet, he killed a doctor in a church.

Whereas Lana locked her friend in a wine cellar for what she knew would be a very short amount of time. You don't need Sherlock's help to know that she would have let her out, had Clark not come.

Don't get me started on how Lana isn't a very good friend to Chloe.

One, I felt no sympathy for Lex in this episode. And I'm not quite sure what one has to do with the other anyway. Even if I did feel sympathy for Lex, what would that have to do with whether or not I found Lana's actions sneaky and underhanded?

Two, I made that same point. I have no doubt that Lana would've let Chloe out if Clark hadn't come along.

Still doesn't make what she did less sneaky and underhanded.

I don't think whether something is right or wrong should be judged on whether someone else did something worse.

Is a shoplifter somehow not wrong for stealing because, the same day, someone else robbed a bank?

[samanta]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
Oh good lord.

All I've heard is how people feel sorry for Lex in this episode. Yet, he killed a doctor in a church.

Whereas Lana locked her friend in a wine cellar for what she knew would be a very short amount of time. You don't need Sherlock's help to know that she would have let her out, had Clark not come.

Don't get me started on how Lana isn't a very good friend to Chloe.
I don't feel sorry for Lex, I don't feel sorry for Lana. I don't feel sorry for Clark. All of them knew what they were doing. But I feel sorry for Chloe because she was used like this by one of her best friends.
And after this episode I feel sorry for myself that I wasted my time on it.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
Oh good lord.

All I've heard is how people feel sorry for Lex in this episode. Yet, he killed a doctor in a church.

Whereas Lana locked her friend in a wine cellar for what she knew would be a very short amount of time. You don't need Sherlock's help to know that she would have let her out, had Clark not come.

I agree that she wasn't in any danger whatsoever. While I think what Lana did was underhanded, you can only blame her so much for being curious when confronted by the enigma that is Clark. That doesn't completely excuse her behavior, but it also doesn't entirely condemn it either.


Don't get me started on how Lana isn't a very good friend to Chloe.

Are you saying that Lana is a poor friend to Chloe in other ways? Because I would have to agree with you there.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by samanta
I don't feel sorry for Lex, I don't feel sorry for Lana. I don't feel sorry for Clark. All of them knew what they were doing. But I feel sorry for Chloe because she was used like this by one of her best friends.


There is no need to feel sorry for Chloe; at least not more than a few minutes anyway. She's ok. Chloe lies to Lana all the time, but that doesn't excuse Lana locking Chloe in the wine cellar. I think someone should just call Lana out and move on. Chloe has done annoying things in the past to find out Clark's secret; she was reprimanded and everyone moved on. I hope Lana gets reprimanded so people can just hush about it and move on.


Originally posted by Nospam
I agree that she wasn't in any danger whatsoever. While I think what Lana did was underhanded, you can only blame her so much for being curious when confronted by the enigma that is Clark. That doesn't completely excuse her behavior, but it also doesn't entirely condemn it either.


Wow Nospam, we agree.

[randomguy]

omg how laaaaaaaame that everyone is so shocked...not that big a deal...nell said it herself "u do what u have to do"...& for all those arguing that lana should have waited for clark to tell her: a) she didn't know & b) it's her heart, she still has feelings for him & wanted to know for sure if he was truly a hero

[Luv Clana/Hate Lexana]

Originally posted by Nospam


I agree that she wasn't in any danger whatsoever. While I think what Lana did was underhanded, you can only blame her so much for being curious when confronted by the enigma that is Clark. That doesn't completely excuse her behavior, but it also doesn't entirely condemn it either.



Are you saying that Lana is a poor friend to Chloe in other ways? Because I would have to agree with you there. [/B]

No. In my opinion, Chloe is not a very good friend to Lana. I'd go further with my explanation... but that would get a few people riled up, I'm sure.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
There is no need to feel sorry for Chloe; at least not more than a few minutes anyway. She's ok. Chloe lies to Lana all the time, but that doesn't excuse Lana locking Chloe in the wine cellar. I think someone should just call Lana out and move on. Chloe has done annoying things in the past to find out Clark's secret; she was reprimanded and everyone moved on. I hope Lana gets reprimanded so people can just hush about it and move on.

When has Chloe lied to Lana other than to protect Clark's secret? I think in many ways Chloe has been a better friend to Lana than Lana to Chloe. Especially when Chloe very selflessly advised Clark that the good of his relationship with Lana required that he tell Lana his secret.

While I agree that Chloe pressed Clark on his secret in the past and stopped snooping when asked, she never went to the lengths Lana has gone. Although Clark witnessed that Lana was on the trail in Trespass and did nothing to disuade her. :rolleyes:



Wow Nospam, we agree.

We agree on a lot things, CCG. :)

[samanta]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
No. In my opinion, Chloe is not a very good friend to Lana. I'd go further with my explanation... but that would get a few people riled up, I'm sure.

It's interesting but I remember a lot of times when Chloe was helping Lana (even telling Clark to share his secret with her, leting her live with her and her father,...). On the other side I remember Lana helping Chloe only to save Torch.

[Luv Clana/Hate Lexana]

Originally posted by samanta
It's interesting but I remember a lot of times when Chloe was helping Lana (even telling Clark to share his secret with her, leting her live with her and her father,...). On the other side I remember Lana helping Chloe only to save Torch.

Well, to me, they have kind of a weird friendship. It's really this season that I don't think Chloe has been that great of a friend. Other seasons, yes, but I'm not so sure about this one.

I didn't watch "Wither," but I saw bits and pieces. The thing that has bothered me is that when Lana came to Chloe about advice on Lex, Chloe basically said go for it. And yes, it was completely Lana's idiotic decision, but Chloe knew that Lex was a bad guy, so why would you tell your best friend it's okay to sleep with the devil?

[samanta]

Originally posted by Luv Clana/Hate Lexana
Well, to me, they have kind of a weird friendship. It's really this season that I don't think Chloe has been that great of a friend. Other seasons, yes, but I'm not so sure about this one.

I didn't watch "Wither," but I saw bits and pieces. The thing that has bothered me is that when Lana came to Chloe about advice on Lex, Chloe basically said go for it. And yes, it was completely Lana's idiotic decision, but Chloe knew that Lex was a bad guy, so why would you tell your best friend it's okay to sleep with the devil?

I'm not sure because I didn't watch it too much but like you say in the end it was Lana decision. And I still believe that it's better to sleep with evil then married him. Yes I know she was trying to save Clark. But she say yes to Lex's proposal.

[PHOENIXZERO]

:rolleyes: I read this entire topic....

And I just started watching Lana's perspective again and I suggest some others do too. Hell, you might as well blame Nell since she's the one who encouraged/gave the go ahead for her to do it.



Lana: It's just...... If there was something you had to put past you to get on with your life. And you tried every way that was fair and honest to do that and nothing worked. Is it really wrong to bend the rules just once?

Nell: Well, what would put those doubts to rest.

Lana: The truth.

Nell: But if you are going to promise your heart to Lex you cannot go to that altar with anything unresolved. When it comes to protecting ourselves.... We do what we have to do Lana.



I'm no means a Lana fan but still I can kind of understand where she's coming from. It was a harmless trap using Chloe as bait. Was it wrong? Yeah and she knew that. She just did what she had to do to. It was done out of her necessity she needed answers, she finally got them or at least proof that Clark was more than just a farmboy.

Now, if she hired a hitman to try and kill Chloe, THEN it'd be a real problem.

I can see this actually being the thing that drives Clark away from Lana.

[All about Clark]

You know if Chloe couldn't reach someone by phone, she would have gotten scared. Lana had no idea how long Chloe would be in there waiting for Clark. Chloe would never have done anything like that to Lana. Lana has once again proven that her own agenda is more important than anyone else's happiness or well being.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by All about Clark
You know if Chloe couldn't reach someone by phone, she would have gotten scared. Lana had no idea how long Chloe would be in there waiting for Clark. Chloe would never have done anything like that to Lana. Lana has once again proven that her own agenda is more important than anyone else's happiness or well being.


Please...Lana didn't leave Chloe and go upstairs to fend for herself. Lana stayed hoping that Clark would rescue her.

If Clark didn't show up, there's no doubt that Lana would've opened the door for Chloe.

This was a plot device to get Lana to overhear Clark and Chloe's conversation. Point blank.

And yeah, Lana is SO SELFISH that she went ahead and married Lex to protect Clark. She's just thinking of her own happiness. I get it. :lol:

[All about Clark]

^I guess you missed the point entirely.

What would you be feeling locked in the wine cellar, freezing, not knowing that Lana was right outside the door. And if you couldn't reach help, you would be scared. I guess no one wants to see this from Chloe's perspective.

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by All about Clark
^I guess you missed the point entirely.

What would you be feeling locked in the wine cellar, freezing, not knowing that Lana was right outside the door. And if you couldn't reach help, you would be scared. I guess no one wants to see this from Chloe's perspective.

Chloe didn't look scared. She seemed more peeved at herself for forgetting that the door could shut on her.

And she knew that her cellphone was working.

She wasn't in any danger.

[redraven]

^^Yeah...there's no way Chloe couldn't have reached help, and it's not cold enough in that wine cellar to freeze to death before she actually received help with her fully working cell phone.

[meteor]

Oh chill out...pun intended..hehe. She locked her in there for 2 minutes and woulda let her out if Clark hadn't shown up.

i guess i shouldn't be surpised considering in the minds of some Chlarkers Lana breathing is like some kind of federal offense. :lol:

[Ireallylikethisshow]

:lol: Lana is crafty!

And it doesn't matter if she locked Chloe in there. She would have let her out if it was needed.

[freefall]

Originally posted by meteor
Oh chill out...pun intended..hehe. She locked her in there for 2 minutes and woulda let her out if Clark hadn't shown up.

i guess i shouldn't be surpised considering in the minds of some Chlarkers Lana breathing is like some kind of federal offense. :lol:

Lana's breathing is a federal offense :lol: I also can't get all mad about this. It's harmless really, yeah of course she's being manipulative and underhanded, but in no way she would purposely put Chloe in harm just to satisfy her curiosity. This is reminiscent of Alicia being underhanded to expose Clark in Pariah. Is Alicia being evil or a Luthor?

This isn't even remotely like anything the way Lex staged that scheme in Mortal to expose Clark. Lana would be outright evil and totally condemned if she hired a gunmen to pull the trigger on Chloe's head, so that she can see Clark superspeeding to stop the bullet.

I just find it funny the way some people around here say Lana is evil and had earned her Luthor name, while Lex himself is yet to be worthy of that.

[meteor]

Besides..with all that wine in there Chloe woulda just gotten tanked and wouldn't have felt anything:lol:


Originally posted by seacrystal

I just find it funny the way some people around here say Lana is evil and had earned her Luthor name, while Lex himself is yet to be worthy of that.

i was loving Lex finally killing somebody..a big step forward for him on that scale. Although nothing was ever confirmed, it's pretty certain that he has had people killed before, but this was the first time he has ever done it himself. when he loses Lana and the baby i think he's really gonna freak.

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by Ireallylikethisshow
:lol: Lana is crafty!

And it doesn't matter if she locked Chloe in there. She would have let her out if it was needed.

And how many young people wouldn't love the opportunity to sample some expensive bubbly? I thought it was a great idea to use Chloe to expose Clark and not endanger anyone.

[freefall]

Originally posted by meteor
i was loving Lex finally killing somebody..a big step forward for him on that scale. Although nothing was ever confirmed, it's pretty certain that he has had people killed before, but this was the first time he has ever done it himself. when he loses Lana and the baby i think he's really gonna freak.

Yeah, I love the way that spot of blood being on his wedding suit. It's still a desperate act though, nothing Luthor-like. It's still not evil, just desperate to the point Lionel had to b!tchslap him. Also another of the "good things" about Promise. And Shelby of course.

[SnarkMasterJ]

I would've been fine if Lana was consistently painted as being underhanded and was prepared to take her place on the Dark Throne besides Lex. But the fact that the episode ended trying to make her look like the martyred victim just ruined whatever satisfaction I could get from Lana turning evol.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I would've been fine if Lana was consistently painted as being underhanded and was prepared to take her place on the Dark Throne besides Lex. But the fact that the episode ended trying to make her look like the martyred victim just ruined whatever satisfaction I could get from Lana turning evol.

Lana was never going to turn evil though. TPTB threw her with an evil man, although Lex is still far from being as evil as Lionel, but Lana herself was never going to start murdering people and torturing people.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by myankskent
Lana was never going to turn evil though. TPTB threw her with an evil man, although Lex is still far from being as evil as Lionel, but Lana herself was never going to start murdering people and torturing people.

Perhaps not. But it was one way I could tolerate her character, so there might've been some wishful thinking on my part. And on a sidenote, KK seems to thrive in situations where she gets to be underhanded, slightly evil characters.

[monet]

I think what she did was great. Finally, she give up on the goody-to-shoes behavior and just did what needed to be done. However, she then turns around and let Lionel fool her. But typical Lana she take one step forward and then two steps back.

And if you disagree with her actions I just want to remind you that you also has done something despicable in your life already. And if you are denying it then I'll say you are lying.

No one is perfect no matter how hard they try. It's completely inconceivable.

And to besides don't act like she is the only one in the picture to act this way. Everyone in Smallville plots and schemes.

[meteor]

i wouldn't even call it plotting and scheming. it was an inoccuous little ruse that in the end wasn't going to harm anybody. if it were any other character than Lana i guarantee you there would be no 13 page long debate over it.

[freefall]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I would've been fine if Lana was consistently painted as being underhanded and was prepared to take her place on the Dark Throne besides Lex. But the fact that the episode ended trying to make her look like the martyred victim just ruined whatever satisfaction I could get from Lana turning evol.

That might have been TPTB's intentions, to paint Lana as a martyr or a victim but IMO the attempt just falls flat on its face. I don't see Lana as a martyr at all, I simply see her as someone who has made her own bed and now has to lie on it. What is it that Martha has said in Crusade? No one could get into the Luthors' web and escape unscathed. So far Chloe is the only one who holds that honour, but even that took another Luthor to get her out.

Just like the way TPTB painted this Clana as a star-crossed couple, an epic love and whatnots. It's simply "Meh" to me.


Originally posted by meteor
i wouldn't even call it plotting and scheming. it was an inoccuous little ruse that in the end wasn't going to harm anybody. if it were any other character than Lana i guarantee you there would be no 13 page long debate over it.

Word :lol:

And your post sort of reminds me of what Lex himself has said in Trespass, something along the lines of "the allure of trying to unravel the mystery that is Clark Kent". In a way, I really can't blame all these people for wanting to find out about him. So far, the only people who has never given a damn about his Secrets & Lies are Pete and Lois. Though even Pete went off the deep end when Clark told him about it.

At their core, they're all good people (yes, even Lex during the earlier seasons) but no one has the right to know about Clark and bug him about it, the decision to confide in people is his, and his alone. They really should have known their boundaries as only friends with Clark, but they're always putting him in difficult positions about that and guilt-tripping him into telling them his secret.

Lana is no different from other people who have "suffered" and was desperate to know the truth about Clark, Chloe especially. But that doesn't make her evil right? This is not trying to put down other characters to justify Lana's actions, not at all, just an opinion based from Lana's perspective on the reason why she locked Chloe in. Not to mention, Clark already owed Lana the truth about himself way before even that wine cellar scene happened, once he had made a conscious decision to be romantically involved with her, as well as consummating the relationship.

[SpeedDemon77]

Originally posted by seacrystal
Yeah, I love the way that spot of blood being on his wedding suit. It's still a desperate act though, nothing Luthor-like. It's still not evil, just desperate to the point Lionel had to b!tchslap him. Also another of the "good things" about Promise. And Shelby of course.

Yeah, Lex is not really evil. Even though he killed someone and hid their body in a crypt the day of his wedding. It was an accident. It was also an accident when he tortured A.C., was about to have a memory chip drilled into Victor Stone's brain and ordered his henchmen to keep a close eye on Chloe after having a meteor-gifted blind boy identify her as being infected.

I guess lying to Lana about her pregnancy and having her drugged is an accident too. Hell, Lex is not REALLY evil, even though he does evil things. He's just vastly misunderstood. Poor guy.

[Pandora24]

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
Yeah, Lex is not really evil. Even though he killed someone and hid their body in a crypt the day of his wedding. It was an accident. It was also an accident when he tortured A.C., was about to have a memory chip drilled into Victor Stone's brain and ordered his henchmen to keep a close eye on Chloe after having a meteor-gifted blind boy identify her as being infected.

I guess lying to Lana about her pregnancy and having her drugged is an accident too. Hell, Lex is not REALLY evil, even though he does evil things. He's just vastly misunderstood. Poor guy.

It's not that Lex hasn't done terrible things, he has, as you mentioned. But, when Lex killed that doctor it was out of desperation. It was wrong of him, no doubt, but it wasn't a planned, calculated attack like Lionel and Lex's actions have been in the past.

B/c honestly, if Lex had been thinking like a Luthor, he would've calmed down and thought of a better way to get rid of the doctor than just beating him to death and dumping him in the crypt. It was sloppy and desperate, like his father said. That's the distinction between an act of unthinking, unreasoning passion and a Luthor.

[friday]

Originally posted by Pandora24
It's not that Lex hasn't done terrible things, he has, as you mentioned. But, when Lex killed that doctor it was out of desperation. It was wrong of him, no doubt, but it wasn't a planned, calculated attack like Lionel and Lex's actions have been in the past.

B/c honestly, if Lex had been thinking like a Luthor, he would've calmed down and thought of a better way to get rid of the doctor than just beating him to death and dumping him in the crypt. It was sloppy and desperate, like his father said. That's the distinction between an act of unthinking, unreasoning passion and a Luthor.

You know if Lex didn't pay that man to do something very unethical regarding Lana's pregnancy, then this doctor wouldn't have anything to bribe him with and Lex wouldn't have *accidentally* killed him. Excusing Lex because it wasn't premeditated doesn't cut it. It's his fault he was in that situation in the first place.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by friday
You know if Lex didn't pay that man to do something very unethical regarding Lana's pregnancy, then this doctor wouldn't have anything to bribe him with and Lex wouldn't have *accidentally* killed him. Excusing Lex because it wasn't premeditated doesn't cut it. It's his fault he was in that situation in the first place.

I don't think that anyone is excusing Lex. I think that the point being made here is that Lex has not earned the Luthor name yet. He's not his future self who will make calculated moves to kill people, rather than killing them in desperation. And let's face it, when Lex was willing to hand over LuthorCorp and 33.1 to Lionel, that just proves that Lex has a lot to learn. He is nothing like Lionel has ever been when it comes to being a smooth operator during the acts of being evil.


Originally posted by seacrystal
That might have been TPTB's intentions, to paint Lana as a martyr or a victim but IMO the attempt just falls flat on its face. I don't see Lana as a martyr at all, I simply see her as someone who has made her own bed and now has to lie on it.


Exactly. Even though Lana found out the truth about Clark and was going to back off from marrying Lex, what she did actually complicated matters by getting Lionel involved and forcing her to marry Lex. It all comes back to Lana getting together with Lex in the first place which put her in this predicament. Same thing with the baby, sure Lex is deceiving her but what chance would Lex have had to do that had Lana not been close to the guy in the first place? I think that Lana proved that she could look out for Clark while knowing the secret in this episode, which moves her a bit closer to filling her iconic role, but she is still in a lot of danger as a result of her making the decision to get close to Lex. I would love to see her blame herself specifically for her involvement with Lex. You know that when Clark finds out that Lana knows, he will blame himself for Lana being with Lex and at that point, I want Lana to interrupt Clark and blame herself for the mess. That will do a lot, IMO, to redeem her character even more. She should also apologize to Chloe for locking her in the cellar. Clearly Lana was conflicted about doing it in the first place, but she did go through with it and it was underhanded and manipulative which makes Lana at fault.

[wraith808]

As someone said, she expressed that she knew it was wrong- and should she even do it- to Nell. And Nell gave her the advice that she couldn't marry Lex with anything unresolved, so had to do what she thought was right to be able to get to that point before she said "I do." I'm no Lana fan, but I don't really see what she did as *that* bad... a bit underhanded, yes. But she's been lied to for *years*. I can imagine wanting to know why your life has been messed up like it had by going to lengths that you wouldn't normally go to.

[mobiusklein]

She could have let that crap GO. After all, Clark has lied to EVERYONE. She's about to marry some other dude, pregnant and eating his damn food. And to put it bluntly, people used to rake other people over the coals when they pulled **** like that so I'm sorry she needs to apologize and NOT let people say it's not her fault. She needs to take responsibility and say "I'm someone who can't be part of Clark's life due to my OWN frailities. I'm the one who hopped around when I should've stood on my own two damn feet."

[Angelina2809]

VERY CLEVER LANA! I am sure that she had let Chloe out if she was wrong about Clark!
I enjoyed it that Lana heard Clarks and Chloe's words - talking about Clark's feelings for Lana, that it was one of the hardest thing for him to let Lana go, that Chloe said that Lana is getting marry a monster etc.
Lana face was amazing as she saw how Clark helped Chloe with the door.... WOW!!!!
I think that Lana was 100% sure that Chloe will call Clark and that he will help her.
Since Hydro she was sure that Chloe is hiding Clark's secret and Clark saved Lana twice in Trespass in a mystery way and than in Freak as Lana found this bullet!!!!
And the dream as which Lana had in promise about the tornado in season two. The moment which she remember....she haden't believed Clark that he just found her laying on the floor after the tornado catched her.
Clark is really her true love - forever!!!!
GOOD LANA!!! GO ON!!!!

Love from germany

[mobiusklein]

Yes, Lana, go on and lie on your honeymoon bed and get boned by some guy you're fantasizing abou cheating on. Now apologize and accept responsibility to the people you yelled at for lying and secret-keeping when you've done the same. NOW THAT is something I'll say Go, Lana, Go to.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by seacrystal
That might have been TPTB's intentions, to paint Lana as a martyr or a victim but IMO the attempt just falls flat on its face. I don't see Lana as a martyr at all, I simply see her as someone who has made her own bed and now has to lie on it. What is it that Martha has said in Crusade? No one could get into the Luthors' web and escape unscathed. So far Chloe is the only one who holds that honour, but even that took another Luthor to get her out.

Just like the way TPTB painted this Clana as a star-crossed couple, an epic love and whatnots. It's simply "Meh" to me.

So...are you agreeing with me? I can't quite tell. I only mentioned the martyrdom thing to say that her canonizing ruined the evil image I wanted to have of her. But I definitely don't view her as a martyr by any stretch. That's actually the part I have the most problem with. But I was hoping that would be obvious.

[clarksgirl93]

oof. i hate her now, shes been so luthor-like lately, i hate it and her, especialy after what she did to clark----i no that it was to protect him but she could have just told clark, and he would have avoided or comfronted lionel......she didnt have to make so that it had to be difficult, but with lana, it always has to be difficult!! i cant stand her anymore!!

[Peat Moss]

The point is, it was deception. Even if it hadn't involved Chloe getting locked up, she brought her there under false pretenses. And she has no business knowing Clark's secret. Maybe he should have told her. But that's his problem--and his decision. No one has any right to know his secret unless he chooses to tell them. Yes, he should have told her or chosen not to pursue a relationship (I would have prefered the latter) But it's still not her choice to force the secret from him.

[Nightingale20]

I guess this is what they meant when they said Lana would be taking on some Luthor traits. Though I hardly think she is evil.

[Billy Jor-El]

Originally posted by clarksgirl93
oof. i hate her now, shes been so luthor-like lately, i hate it and her, especialy after what she did to clark----i no that it was to protect him but she could have just told clark, and he would have avoided or comfronted lionel......she didnt have to make so that it had to be difficult, but with lana, it always has to be difficult!! i cant stand her anymore!!

I certainly agree Lana has more devious schemes as the show progresses. She's more adult in many ways, as are other characters. In fact, I was watching some of Season One this weekend and couldn't help but notice how Kristen sounds more like a little girl in those. I wouldn't be surprised if she's had vocal training to sound more mature (not that Lana acts more mature much of the time!).

Shelby is probably the one character who has never done anything to betray or harm anyone he loves!

[Peat Moss]

I kind of think we're missing out on the evil we thought we would get from Lana. When she talked about how much she liked the power money gave her, I really thought she would become Lex's evil sidekick. Guess we're not seeing that side of her just yet...

[Ania]

Originally posted by wraith808
As someone said, she expressed that she knew it was wrong
I have no idea where the "Lana knows she was wrong" or "Lana took responsibility" comes from! How did she took responsibility for rebounding on Lex? Yeah, she wanted to run from him on their wedding day! How is she responsible for her un-babyonce she heard Clark didn't want to split the future family? Yeah, she told Clark she'd go to him!


Originally posted by wraith808
- and should she even do it- to Nell. And Nell gave her the advice that she couldn't marry Lex with anything unresolved, so had to do what she thought was right to be able to get to that point before she said "I do."That's Lana devotion at it's best. Lana can do bad things like locking Chloe and lying and cheating on her fiance and running from her baby's father and making Clark take care of little Luthor - IF ONLY THAT'LL MAKE HER HAPPY! That's the motto of this show - Lana can do anything for herself!


Originally posted by wraith808
But she's been lied to for *years*. I can imagine wanting to know why your life has been messed up like it had by going to lengths that you wouldn't normally go to. And why doesn't anybody care about what Clark's lies did to Lex, huh? So Lex is evil and all that and Lana is his poor victim even though they both did bad things because of Clark's secret? BS!

[Rachel B]

^ ITA Ania. I don't realy care that Lana knows Clark's secret, but it;s the way it was done. And the fact that Lana will never be called out on it. Somehow lana always walks away the innocent victim. Whatever she does can't be her fault because she has a good reason for her actions. That is what annoys me.

TpTb makes her witchy one week, and pure as the driven snow the next week. They try to make her strong and independant, the next week she is in need of rescuing. If Lana stops being bipolar and then maybe I'll start to enjoy her character again.

[meteor]

Originally posted by Rachel B
^ ITA Ania. I don't realy care that Lana knows Clark's secret, but it;s the way it was done. And the fact that Lana will never be called out on it. Somehow lana always walks away the innocent victim. Whatever she does can't be her fault because she has a good reason for her actions. That is what annoys me.

TpTb makes her witchy one week, and pure as the driven snow the next week. They try to make her strong and independant, the next week she is in need of rescuing. If Lana stops being bipolar and then maybe I'll start to enjoy her character again.

Well we are now up to 14 pages of trying to turn a harmless little ruse into something just short of committing armed robbery..i'm not sure how that is not being called out for it. If you mean on the show, then i agree, because with everything going on, even if they found out, nobody is gonna care that Lana locked Chloe in the wine cellar for 2 minutes, including Chloe. it's called turning a molehill into a mountain.

There have been plenty of reasons to criticize Lana on the show, maybe even in this episode. i can think of a bunch of stuff off the top of my head, but imo this is another example of how it's almost gotten to the point where if she sold all her possessions and joined the Peace Corps there would be 20 pages on how horrible Lana is. Imo people look for reasons to hate this character the same way they look for hidden meanings everytime Clark opens his mouth proving he somehow is in love with Chloe.

seriously..she closed the wine cellar on her for like 60 seconds. personally i file that under the "who cares" category:lol:

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Peat Moss
The point is, it was deception. Even if it hadn't involved Chloe getting locked up, she brought her there under false pretenses. And she has no business knowing Clark's secret. Maybe he should have told her. But that's his problem--and his decision. No one has any right to know his secret unless he chooses to tell them. Yes, he should have told her or chosen not to pursue a relationship (I would have prefered the latter) But it's still not her choice to force the secret from him.

That's really the issue. No one's blowing Lana's actions out of proportion or making a big deal about what she did. It's the WHY. Her motive. That's what's being judged, and that's what she should be held accountable for.

[meteor]

^^^i beg to differ..read the title of the thread...or just read the whole thread. everything Lana does is criticized by somebody around here; it's obvious to anyone who reads this board. that's perfectly fine cause that's what we're all here for, but that's the way it is. Rational discussion about this character is at a premium IMO, probably because the pent up frustrations of those clamoring for other ships, mainly Chlark, are more or less directed at her because of the ongoing Clark-Lana saga. Do a search on Lana and you'll hear her called everything from a sl*t( who has slept with a grand total of 2 men in her life) to a wh*re to evil.

But to address the motives, she wanted to know once and for all before committing her life to Lex. Chloe the Ace reporter would have done the same thing i guarantee it if she were that close to his secret and in this position..she was far nosier than Lana ever was revolving around Clark's secret before she found out, and the only reason she found out was because of Alicia. it had nothing to do with Clark trusting her. As for Lana's motives...she's been madly in love with the guy for 6 years and he with her, and this secret was the only thing that has kept them apart. Judging people who are madly in love and fighting for that? probably not the best of ideas, given that normal behaviour pretty much goes out the window. i don't see exactly what there is to be using language like "held accountable" for personally.

Now if you're talking about Lex that's a different story...she's engaged to the guy and carrying his child, so technically all of this is not fair at all to him. However, given what Lex did to Lana to get her in the first place, i throw that out the window.

[Smallville_Angel]

Lana locked Chole in the wine cellar?! (sorry, us Aussie are only at ep. 5 season 6). Say, I think I know someone who needs admitting to Belle Reeve!
"This was a solid move by Lana. I can't blame her for doing it quite honestly and it was a smart move to find out the truth about Clark. It's not like she put Chloe in danger or anything, Chloe was locked in a room...big deal."Might I remind you Lana is suppose to be Chole's friend - cold - hearted b**** alert! I live in the hope Lana and Lex up and leave Smallville, perhaps for a small island in the middle of the any ocean where tsunamis are common place. I can live in hope....

[friday]

Originally posted by meteor
^^^i beg to differ..read the title of the thread...or just read the whole thread. everything Lana does is criticized by somebody around here; it's obvious to anyone who reads this board. that's perfectly fine cause that's what we're all here for, but that's the way it is. Rational discussion about this character is at a premium IMO, probably because the pent up frustrations of those clamoring for other ships, mainly Chlark, are more or less directed at her because of the ongoing Clark-Lana saga. Do a search on Lana and you'll hear her called everything from a sl*t( who has slept with a grand total of 2 men in her life) to a wh*re to evil.

But to address the motives, she wanted to know once and for all before committing her life to Lex. Chloe the Ace reporter would have done the same thing i guarantee it if she were that close to his secret and in this position..she was far nosier than Lana ever was revolving around Clark's secret before she found out, and the only reason she found out was because of Alicia. it had nothing to do with Clark trusting her. As for Lana's motives...she's been madly in love with the guy for 6 years and he with her, and this secret was the only thing that has kept them apart. Judging people who are madly in love and fighting for that? probably not the best of ideas, given that normal behaviour pretty much goes out the window. i don't see exactly what there is to be using language like "held accountable" for personally.

Now if you're talking about Lex that's a different story...she's engaged to the guy and carrying his child, so technically all of this is not fair at all to him. However, given what Lex did to Lana to get her in the first place, i throw that out the window.

Fanfrikkentastic. :cool:

[jessica_94]

it was the right thing to do it was the only way lana could of found out about clark but i don't know what the point she still married lex

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by jessica_94
it was the right thing to do

There is no way, under any circumstances, that you can say what Lana did was "the right thing to do."

She tricked, lied to, and used a friend to get something she wanted. And it wasn't like what she wanted was her God-given right, or like getting what she wanted would save lives or something. She manipulated a situation to satisfy a personal desire. (Knowing Clark's secret.)

Lana has been consumed by curiosity and frustration over not knowing Clark's secret. She took steps to rectify the situation. Understandable? Perhaps. Justifiable? Maybe. The worst thing anyone in the history of the world (or even the show) has ever done? Not hardly.

But what she did was by no means "the right thing to do."

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by meteor
^^^i beg to differ..read the title of the thread...or just read the whole thread. everything Lana does is criticized by somebody around here; it's obvious to anyone who reads this board. that's perfectly fine cause that's what we're all here for, but that's the way it is. Rational discussion about this character is at a premium IMO, probably because the pent up frustrations of those clamoring for other ships, mainly Chlark, are more or less directed at her because of the ongoing Clark-Lana saga. Do a search on Lana and you'll hear her called everything from a sl*t( who has slept with a grand total of 2 men in her life) to a wh*re to evil.

For one thing, no one mentioned other shipper groups, so don't go around making assumptions about why posters and fans are frustrated with Lana's character. I, myself, have a shipper preference, but it has nothing to do with why I don't care for Lana's character. I happen to think she's poorly written, incredibly selfish, and made out to be something she's not. So right off the bat, your generalization is wrong.



But to address the motives, she wanted to know once and for all before committing her life to Lex.

You mean...she wanted to know Clark's secret once and for all. Like it's any of her business to begin with. Suddenly, after five seasons of her accepting the fact that Clark doesn't want to tell her his secret, she just decides to poke around in his life and deceive her friends, and his, by drawing him to the Luthor mansion under false pretenses. Lana doesn't have any right to Clark's secret more than anyone else. So you're not addressing the motive, you're making an excuse for it.



Chloe the Ace reporter would have done the same thing i guarantee it if she were that close to his secret and in this position..she was far nosier than Lana ever was revolving around Clark's secret before she found out, and the only reason she found out was because of Alicia. it had nothing to do with Clark trusting her.

Chloe's not on trial. And if you want to view the situation accurately, Chloe found out the real truth about Clark because he told her. She may have known he could do great things and had powers after what Alicia showed her, but he filled her in on his Kryptonian history of his own volition. He gave her that information. So yes, he did trust her. It's clear he had every reason to, given what happened in Arrival. He asked her why she never said anything to him before then, and she answered that she knew he would tell her WHEN HE WAS READY. On HIS terms, not hers. So it sounds to me that, ultimately, Chloe was the one who decided to respect Clark's privacy rather than meddle in his life again and force him to reveal things he wasn't ready for. Chloe may be nosy, but she's done penance for the meddling she's done in Clark's life in the past. She was made to repent for it. Something that Lana has never ever been made to do. Even in Promise, people are patting her on the back for her deception, and the characters themselves are none the wiser.



As for Lana's motives...she's been madly in love with the guy for 6 years and he with her, and this secret was the only thing that has kept them apart. Judging people who are madly in love and fighting for that? probably not the best of ideas, given that normal behaviour pretty much goes out the window. i don't see exactly what there is to be using language like "held accountable" for personally.

I don't really care if she was madly in love. Moral responsibility isn't something that just gets tossed out the window just because of someone's personal feelings. You may be willing to give her an unreal amount of slack over pursuing something that was none of her business, but I'm not willing to do that.


Now if you're talking about Lex that's a different story...she's engaged to the guy and carrying his child, so technically all of this is not fair at all to him. However, given what Lex did to Lana to get her in the first place, i throw that out the window.

Well you're welcome to do that. But Lana doesn't know what Lex did. As far as she knows, Lex is still the loyal, trustworthy person she agreed to marry. So right from there, her actions are without excuse. Given what SHE knows of Lex, she was ready to abandon and betray him. On their wedding day. That's not something you can just gloss over.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I don't really care if she was madly in love. Moral responsibility isn't something that just gets tossed out the window just because of someone's personal feelings. You may be willing to give her an unreal amount of slack over pursuing something that was none of her business, but I'm not willing to do that.

This is something that has bothered me a lot when it comes to some recent TV shows and movies. This idea that, if you do something because you're in love, it's okay.

No, it's not. Being "in love" doesn't give you some kind of free pass.

A wise man once said being in love can make you do some crazy things. But he didn't say that those crazy things were okay.

Heck, Lex is in love with Lana. He's been doing some questionable things to get and keep her. Does the fact that he's in love make those things okay?

[CLanaF23]

She did what she had to do...you can't blame her for needing to know the truth...... after all the stuff clark puts her through she deserves to know.....

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by CLanaF23
She did what she had to do...you can't blame her for needing to know the truth...... after all the stuff clark puts her through she deserves to know.....

First, she didn't "do what she had to do." Donating an organ to someone who's dying is doing what you have to do. Running into a burning building to save someone is doing what you have to do. Heck, getting a job you hate to keep food on the table is doing what you have to do.

Lana wanted to know something she's wanted to know about Clark for a long time. Clark wouldn't tell her. So, she devised a way to find out the truth herself. Would she have died if she hadn't found out the secret? Were lives at stake? No. So she didn't "do what she had to do." She did what she "wanted" to do.

Of course I can't blame her for wanting to know the truth. But was knowing the truth her right? Not really. Especially since she and Clark weren't together at the time, and she was on the verge of marrying someone else.

In fact, even when they were dating, the only right Lana really had was the right to choose not to be with a man who wouldn't be completely honest with her.

You do not have the right to know someone else's secrets, no matter what your relationship. You have the right to hope they will be honest with you. But, if they aren't, it's up to you to decide whether you are okay with that or not. And, if you aren't okay with it, you don't then have the right to try to find out what they aren't telling you by any means necessary. You have the right to get out of that relationship.

If her little trap hadn't worked, what would Lana have had "the right" to do next? Bug Clark's phone? Plant hidden cameras around his home? Hired investigators to dig into his past?

[globalbudd3]

Good points Dannyblue. I think that everyone is different and it depends who you ask what is right or wrong.

But I can imagine from Lana perspective to why she chose to do what she did. I can't really blame her. After all Lana is a character that is often portrayed as insecure. I think when Clark "left" her without a valid explanation, she felt abandoned and just need to know the "truth". A few of us has been there and when people who swore they love you one minute and dump you the next would really make an unhappy camper out of you.

After all, she does love him and people do dumb things in the name of love.

I would think that now that Lana know part of the truth and heard Clark professing his love for her, she may feel a bit "validated" that the reason they are not together is not because he doesn't love her but because of his "secret" hence his real self. Bascially the old cliche comes to mind...you are not the problem, it is me!!!

[Mr. Wrong]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by myankskent
[B]Well this I cannot agree with. Lionel told Lana specifically that he would kill Clark if she told anyone about the conversation, so I cannot get on Lana for standing Clark up. If she didn't, Lionel would've known since she was supposed to meet him at the time of the wedding and Clark would've been dead. Also, Lionel might have had people following Lana to make sure that she didn't tell anyone about the conversation for all Lana knew. It would've been an incredibly stupid move for Lana to even think about telling Clark in this episode, she was forced to either marry Lex or accept the fact that Clark might be killed.



Lana capitulating to blackmail doesn't make any sense. Lionel being a threat to CK would not go away with marrying Lex. Why are they portraying the girl as being so dense. She has just discovered that CK is superhuman. Most intelligent humans would figure he was capable of handling himself. Didn't she already kill to protect herself before? Hasn't she been in high stress situations. Breaking Clark's heart with the pretext of saving his life leaves me certain that she really doesn't love CK at all. This whole concept was one of the reasons why I gave this epi a poor rating! However, I must admit it does aid in the dismissal of Clana once and for all.

[PHOENIXZERO]

Or maybe Lionel did that because he knows the whole annoying Lana thing is something that is holding Clark back? :confused:

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
This whole concept was one of the reasons why I gave this epi a poor rating! However, I must admit it does aid in the dismissal of Clana once and for all.

NOW that's one thing WE do agree on!:

[Mr. Wrong]

Shy,
Are you trying to give me a heart attack?LOL

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
Shy,
Are you trying to give me a heart attack?LOL

hey, I am trying to be nice and called a truce?:\ :D Although I do agree with you on this whole Clana relationship.:p

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong

Lana capitulating to blackmail doesn't make any sense. Lionel being a threat to CK would not go away with marrying Lex. Why are they portraying the girl as being so dense. She has just discovered that CK is superhuman. Most intelligent humans would figure he was capable of handling himself. Didn't she already kill to protect herself before?


Lana never killed to protect herself, Isobelle was the one who killed Genevive. As for why Lana gave into blackmail, what was her alternative? Lionel Luthor is a very powerful man...what if he had Lana followed to make sure that she didn't tell Clark the truth and if she did, he'd be there ready to kill Clark? Lana was in an impossible situation and even though Lionel could blackmail her again, she didn't have time to think of another way in Promise since she had to marry Lex in a matter of hours or else Clark was dead.



Hasn't she been in high stress situations. Breaking Clark's heart with the pretext of saving his life leaves me certain that she really doesn't love CK at all.


That I completely disagree on. She had no choice but to get Clark off her back so he wasn't suspicious about why she married Lex. I can't fault Lana for doing that one bit.

[Ania]

Well we are now up to 14 pages of trying to turn a harmless little ruse into something just short of committing armed robbery..i'm not sure how that is not being called out for it. If you mean on the show, then i agree, because with everything going on, even if they found out, nobody is gonna care that Lana locked Chloe in the wine cellar for 2 minutes, including Chloe. it's called turning a molehill into a mountain.

There have been plenty of reasons to criticize Lana on the show, maybe even in this episode. i can think of a bunch of stuff off the top of my head, but imo this is another example of how it's almost gotten to the point where if she sold all her possessions and joined the Peace Corps there would be 20 pages on how horrible Lana is. Imo people look for reasons to hate this character the same way they look for hidden meanings everytime Clark opens his mouth proving he somehow is in love with Chloe.

seriously..she closed the wine cellar on her for like 60 seconds. personally i file that under the "who cares" categoryFirst of all, I don't mind her locking Chloe nearly as much as the fact that everyone is supportive of her spying and cheating. Nell told her to do it. Martha told Clark to help Lana ditch the father of her baby. Lionel made her stay with the man that loves her and she used to love because he's EVIL. Chloe is in love with Clark and she still berated him from not running with Lana? WTF, did everyone on this planet lost their minds for Lana?

Second, the definition of Mary Sue (impossibly perfect character) is that she is, well, perfect. Selling all her possessions and joining the Peace Corps would only further this. She can do no wrong. Jumping boyfriends - she can't live without a man to protect her, sleeping with Clark's enemy - she's a victim, running from her fiancee - she's a martyr, going to art school without ever drawing anything - she's that talented. She eats Lex's food, but HE is the needy guy, Lex is losing his mind because of her secrets with Clark, but it's Lana who is justified to do whatever she pleases to change a guy again. She's so awesome intergalactic murderers want to repopulate Earth with her babies, I bet Peace Corps need someone who's farts have healing power.

Third, lol at pulling "Chlark will never happen" into this. Run out of arguments?


Originally posted by Dannyblue1
First, she didn't "do what she had to do." Donating an organ to someone who's dying is doing what you have to do. Running into a burning building to save someone is doing what you have to do. Heck, getting a job you hate to keep food on the table is doing what you have to do.

Lana wanted to know something she's wanted to know about Clark for a long time. Clark wouldn't tell her. So, she devised a way to find out the truth herself. Would she have died if she hadn't found out the secret? Were lives at stake? No. So she didn't "do what she had to do." She did what she "wanted" to do.

Of course I can't blame her for wanting to know the truth. But was knowing the truth her right? Not really. Especially since she and Clark weren't together at the time, and she was on the verge of marrying someone else.

In fact, even when they were dating, the only right Lana really had was the right to choose not to be with a man who wouldn't be completely honest with her.

You do not have the right to know someone else's secrets, no matter what your relationship. You have the right to hope they will be honest with you. But, if they aren't, it's up to you to decide whether you are okay with that or not. And, if you aren't okay with it, you don't then have the right to try to find out what they aren't telling you by any means necessary. You have the right to get out of that relationship.

If her little trap hadn't worked, what would Lana have had "the right" to do next? Bug Clark's phone? Plant hidden cameras around his home? Hired investigators to dig into his past? This post is so awesome I wish you were a guy so I could marry you. :D


Originally posted by myankskent
Lana never killed to protect herself, Isobelle was the one who killed Genevive. As for why Lana gave into blackmail, what was her alternative? Lionel Luthor is a very powerful man...what if he had Lana followed to make sure that she didn't tell Clark the truth and if she did, he'd be there ready to kill Clark? Lana was in an impossible situation and even though Lionel could blackmail her again, she didn't have time to think of another way in Promise since she had to marry Lex in a matter of hours or else Clark was dead.I think Mr Wrong meant that CLARK is able to protect himself and Lana, just after witnessing his strenght, should at least consider this. Or warn Clark about Lionel and his power to kill him. Leave it up to superhuman to safe his life. Not telling Clark is another case of her being dumb (not warning Clark), naive (believing Lionel just like that), self-centered (believing her keeping secret all her life from her new family would save anyone), and it served to make Lana a martyr after she made her bed herself and then tried to run on her wedding day hurting her fiance she suppossedly loved, her baby and Clark who'd have to live with Lex's kid and Lex's fury. Yeah, but her happiness is more important, duh.


Originally posted by myankskent
That I completely disagree on. She had no choice but to get Clark off her back so he wasn't suspicious about why she married Lex. I can't fault Lana for doing that one bit. She hurt him in order to not warn him about Lionel and make herself a martyr.

[Mr. Wrong]

I'm afraid that the Isobelle possession does not give Lana licence to allow Lex to sweep the killing under the carpet. However, the point that I was trying to make was that Lana seems to spend far to much time making bad choices and getting off scott free.
You don't give in to blackmail period! CK's treatment of Lana in Hypnotic was off the charts wrong and in Promise Lana has given us the flipside. I rated them both to be the worst episodes that I've watched todate. The concept that you are sacrificing yourself for another is a noble one but in both instances Clana is unneccessarily hurtful and inane to one another. Let's not forget that Lana learned from Lionel previously that kryptonite was the weapon that he would use. This is a man who spends an inordinate amount of time with CK's mom isn't it.What's to protect CK now that she is on her way to her honeymoon? She believes Lionel is a viable threat so her idea of helping is to turn her back on CK. The good thing about this premiss is that CK can now at least admit to himself that she's definitely not the woman for him. You'd never see Chloe or Lois acting this way.

[supergirl28]

One time Lana did something smart. I can stop talking she knows Ck's secret.

[web_surfer]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
clark taking the steel door off and lana watching was a great moment.
and I don't even like lana, not that matters.
but i felt bad she did not try to leave lex before today.



I have a problem with this scene where Clark takes the door down.......and Lana is watching hidden ....
wouldnt Clark sense that someone is in the celler with them ...i mean he can hear through walls and all ...im sure he should have heard at least Lanas heartbeat .....

[ChloeSullivanfan]

What Lana did was low.... wonder if Clark will ask her how she found out.

[tk_ravenprime]

Yea that was pretty smart thing for her to do.

She stayed close just in case he didnt show up or if was wrong.

She finally got some confirmation and she got it.

Yea lana....at least she didnt fall for the glasses

[smallvillelover93]

wat lana did was jus plain LOW!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

she could have died

There was plenty of wine there.

[fuchsiaRose]

Lana being bad. Is this like a surprise to anyone?

[devilneedsaride]

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Chloe was fine, it's not as if Lana would have just left her there if Clark hadn't shown. It was a pretty underhanded way of figuring out Clark's secret before he wanted her to know, but on the scale of immoral acts on the show it barely registers as a blip. I'm way more concerned with Lana's apparent willingness to blackmail people for Lex than I am with this, for example.

[Raistlin]

Head meet desk.