Television Ratings For Promise

[Routh]

Post television ratings, NOT HOW YOU RATE THE EPISODE, here.

[superhippie2000]

I hope the episode does well in ratings. those episodes after justice were all steady so hopefully this episode will be the same. just wondering how bad that 3 week break effects the ratings.

[Bosrudorfer]

It isnt going to break any records. 1st they had a very long break and ppl forgot or moved on. 2nd I havent seen much radio or tv advertising

[idunowinks]

ive actually seen the trailer on tv a lot the past few days, they started breaking them down into scenes..im worried that this will be like one big tease for people since we only have one more eppy and then another break...

[Sk8erGur1]

They have pimped this episode a lot of televison. Especially during ANTM and PCDP.

[Routh]

Let's do a little competition roundup, shall we? :D

SMALLVILLE 4.76 million viewers
GILMORE GIRLS 4.47 million viewers
AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL 4.46 million viewers
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN 4.34 million viewers
PUSSYCAT DOLLS PRESENTS 3.93 million viewers
7TH HEAVEN 3.57 million viewers
SUPERNATURAL 3.03 million viewers
ONE TREE HILL 2.89 million viewers
VERONICA MARS 2.66 million viewers

Hooray! Smallville is now The CW's number one show, scripted or unscripted. Those are the ratings for Freak, by the way. The ratings for the other shows are from their last new respective episodes, since quite a few of them are on hiatus. Veronica Mars is on an 8 (eight) week hiatus. :\

The CW has been running a commercial for Pussycat Dolls Presents that says the show has been pulling in over 10 million viewers. I'm pretty sure they pulled that lie out of their ass, because no show on The CW is raking in those kinds of numbers.

Variety reports that Gilmore Girls (contract disputes), Veronica Mars (failure to improve), and 7th Heaven (it's way overdue) are all potential candidates for cancellation. The cancellation of the latter is almost guaranteed. Again. I'd be happy to see One Tree Hill go.

I'm glad to see that America's Next Top Model isn't breaking 5 million viewers a week any more, because from what I've seen of this season, it really, really sucks.

This week, Promise faces some new competition.

ABC
UGLY BETTY 13.66 million viewers

CBS
NCAA BASKETBALL

NBC
THE OFFICE (repeat)

FOX
ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER? 20.66 million viewers

Ugly Betty is the same threat it's been all season, NCAA Basketball is on for a few weeks instead of Survivor: Fiji, a one hour repeat of The Office is on NBC, and FOX's new powerhouse game show Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? is now in Smallville's time slot.

Note: Those Ugly Betty ratings are from it's last new episode (February 15) and 5th Grader's ratings are from last week.

Now, I'm not sure how 5th Grader's ratings will fare now that it doesn't have American Idol as it's lead in, but the name alone and viewers from previous weeks are definitely factors to consider. FOX was smart to give it a good launching point audience by letting it ride on AI's wave of success.

I'm on the fence. If Promise does well, then good for Smallville! But... then the Goughlar will think that this is what we've been craving. And this is not what I'm craving. I want it to do well because it's my show, but I also want it to do bad so it'll send a message to TPTB.

Taking into account that NBC has a repeat on and that it's a wedding episode, Promise might do pretty well. Because let's face it, even the crappiest of shows get a ratings boost from a wedding episode. Plus, this episode has been promoted intensely for the past two weeks. Ratings for repeats of The Office vary by a wide margin for some reason, going from 6.52 million viewers two weeks ago to 4.67 million viewers last week.

[ISUZU]

So ugly betty beats a young superman - its not fair !!!!

[bball44j]

Ugly Betty is a stupid show.

[SaberFireTiger]

I can't believe people would rather see idiots prove they are idiots then smallville.

[dimeo782002]

Originally posted by Routh
Let's do a little competition roundup, shall we? :D

SMALLVILLE 4.76 million viewers
GILMORE GIRLS 4.47 million viewers
AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL 4.46 million viewers
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN 4.34 million viewers
PUSSYCAT DOLLS PRESENTS 3.93 million viewers
7TH HEAVEN 3.57 million viewers
SUPERNATURAL 3.03 million viewers
ONE TREE HILL 2.89 million viewers
VERONICA MARS 2.66 million viewers

Hooray! Smallville is now The CW's number one show, scripted or unscripted. Those are the ratings for Freak, by the way. The ratings for the other shows are from their last new respective episodes, since quite a few of them are on hiatus. Veronica Mars is on an 8 (eight) week hiatus. :\

The CW has been running a commercial for Pussycat Dolls Presents that says the show has been pulling in over 10 million viewers. I'm pretty sure they pulled that lie out of their ass, because no show on The CW is raking in those kinds of numbers.

Variety reports that Gilmore Girls (contract disputes), Veronica Mars (failure to improve), and 7th Heaven (it's way overdue) are all potential candidates for cancellation. The cancellation of the latter is almost guaranteed. Again. I'd be happy to see One Tree Hill go.

I'm glad to see that America's Next Top Model isn't breaking 5 million viewers a week any more, because from what I've seen of this season, it really, really sucks.

This week, Promise faces some new competition.

ABC
UGLY BETTY 13.66 million viewers

CBS
NCAA BASKETBALL

NBC
THE OFFICE (repeat)

FOX
ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER? 20.66 million viewers

Ugly Betty is the same threat it's been all season, NCAA Basketball is on for a few weeks instead of Survivor: Fiji, a one hour repeat of The Office is on NBC, and FOX's new powerhouse game show Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? is now in Smallville's time slot.

Note: Those Ugly Betty ratings are from it's last new episode (February 15) and 5th Grader's ratings are from last week.

Now, I'm not sure how 5th Grader's ratings will fare now that it doesn't have American Idol as it's lead in, but the name alone and viewers from previous weeks are definitely factors to consider. FOX was smart to give it a good launching point audience by letting it ride on AI's wave of success.

I'm on the fence. If Promise does well, then good for Smallville! But... then the Goughlar will think that this is what we've been craving. And this is not what I'm craving. I want it to do well because it's my show, but I also want it to do bad so it'll send a message to TPTB.

Taking into account that NBC has a repeat on and that it's a wedding episode, Promise might do pretty well. Because let's face it, even the crappiest of shows get a ratings boost from a wedding episode. Plus, this episode has been promoted intensely for the past two weeks. Ratings for repeats of The Office vary by a wide margin for some reason, going from 6.52 million viewers two weeks ago to 4.67 million viewers last week.













YES SMALLVILLE KICKED ASS YES IM SO HAPPY

[the highlander]

Ugly betty is a story very much like Rocky... the underdog that wins!... SUPERMAN IS NOT AN UNDERDOG.

People tend to identify themselves with lesser people. Most people have a very low self esteem. Making a show like that, where someone can change and be big no matter what the circumstances are, means a lot to many people.

Last time I checked, i never saw a flying man on my town when the woman fell of the bridge... Yeah, thats right.. SHE DIED...

There are no immortals either.

But there are many MANY and i MEAN MANY UGLY women in this world.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by SaberFireTiger
I can't believe people would rather see idiots prove they are idiots then smallville.
We live in a world full of them. :lol:

[bball44j]

Originally posted by Raging Clue
We live in a world full of them. :lol:
You're right about that.

[Smallville's Oracle]

Do you think Smallville would do better on ABC, CBS or NBC?

[JEWCY]

Originally posted by Smallville's Oracle
Do you think Smallville would do better on ABC, CBS or NBC?

i think if you put any decent show on the CW, the rating wouldnt be higher than a 7. Name recognition is everything, and the big 3 (or 4 with fox) have it. Granted some shows on these networks do worst ratings than smallville, but if smallville is doing well on the CW and is cracking the top 100 in ratings, it would definately be at the worst top 75 on another main network

[staph]

WOW! Guys this is a reality wake up call. HELLO !!!! ANYONE HOME!!!!!!!!! The ratings for smallville suck and always have. If you guys get excited over 4 million viewers then you need to have some coffee and come back to reality. Someone mentioned that Ugly Betty is a stupid show, good point, but it had 13 million. Three times the viewers of smallville. Even a stupid show crushes Smallville. It has gotten to tell you something. It does to me. As an executive myself, I would personally fire everyone on the marketing team and the writers of smallville because they obviously have no clue on how to keep viewers tuned in. OUt of the 4 million each week only 2 or 3 are loyal fans that keep the numbers each week relatively even. The other million are different every couple of weeks or so has fans tune in to see what all the hype is about or just curiousity of what the show is about. After a 1 or 2 they realize that is sucks and tune out forever. Imagine how many viewers they could have if they never lost as many. If the writers could move the story along realistically and keep the attention of the fans. WOW! The show could be great. How sad. This show had so much potential but yet we are subjected each week to the same stupid type plots. Someone gets close to the secret then dies, amnesia, explodes, drops dead, becomes mentally retarded. Or the classic ten thousands loft scenes of LOOK me in the eyes and tell me you don't LOVE me. I mean come on that line can only be used so many times before the fans want to puke up a lung and die. These writers are so pathetic. Man let the story flow already and stop making everything so complicated and the people so retarded. Lionel puts the whole thing together in 30 seconds after seeing the letter and then the next episode he is mongolic and can't tie his own shoes. Same thing with Lana and all the other characters. HEY WRITERS here is a tip learn to write something realistic so the viewers don't change the channel. I turned this episode off and started to watch the great writing of the new shoe The Black Donnellys. This show has already accumulated more viewers and interest in 4 weeks than an entire season of smallville, By all means check the statistics out for yourselves. It is staggering to see how little a fan base smallville has. thank you WRITERS. MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MidgardDragon]

Eh-hem. staph, time to wake up yourself. While 4 mil is nothing to jump up and down about, it is more in line with what you should expect from the CW. Here is your wake up call: Ugly Betty is on one of the BIG THREE networks. These networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC, ALWAYS have MUCH huger ratings than networks like The CW and Fox. Then again, I didn't read the rest of your WALL OF TEXT because of the sophomoric and condescending tone of the first part, so maybe you realized this later on, but somehow I doubt it. Here's the part where I tell you to grow up, and leave.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by SaberFireTiger
I can't believe people would rather see idiots prove they are idiots then smallville.
Honestly, these days SV is pretty much the same thing. Have you seen Clark and Lex fighting over Lana?!?
:\

[DeesRyche]

Well, I think it does support that Clana is not the reason the is/was successful. Justice still highest ranked of season...

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The metered market ratings are in:
Smallville (3.5/ 5) - (Last new episode 3.8/6)


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The more detailed fast national ratings from pifeedback.com:

CW’s Smallville (Viewers: 4.58 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6


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Season 6 Episode Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.58

* - Final Rating

[Naomi]

And after all those ad's from the CW too! I got the feeling that they had a lot of expectations for this episode, what with promoting it even more than Justice

Guess the new direction may not work out as well as they were hoping for :p

[Kreukie]

The direction that Lana marries Lex, which what was promoted and end up happening.

Still did better than the second episode of season, which didn't have a full month break in between. :lol:

[DeesRyche]

But yet not better than Hydro or Crimson and I don't remember either being heavily promoted.

And Justice still at top...

Anybody Listening? Anybody care?

[BadToad]

Whoa, a heavily promoted wedding episode...and those numbers? Guess superhero stuff trumps the soap opera elements.

[lillie_poo_pod]

I'm just happy this crapfeast didn't rate higher than "Freak"

But I understand this episode had tough competition with the smart 5th graders...which I was watching during " Promise"

[joesmallville]

The first episode after a break always does lower than usual numbers

Why do you think they showed Hydro before Justice, because Justice wouldn't have cracked 5 million if it was the first episode off the break.

and the NCAA tournament is one of the few things that will hurt Smallville's most important demo, young males.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Kreukie
The direction that Lana marries Lex, which what was promoted and end up happening.
Well not exactly how it was promoted. A lot of unspoiled viewers were probably expecting Lana to dump Lex at the alter for Clark or something, especially with all the focus on Clark with a ring, and about to share his secret. The ad's were totally biased in favour of Clana, just like the Trespass ad's did nothing but promote Clana.


And Lexana has been in season 6 all along. Whereas it's only recently that Clana has returned.

But then I'm not surprised that people are getting tired at this point, and starting to switch off

[Kreukie]

Seems like the ratings seem to drop by this time in the season, regardless the story lines, so for Promise to do a 4.58 is actually...um good:

Season Four:

16. Lucy - Final number 4.5 million viewers.
17. Onyx - Final number 3.9 million viewers.
18. Spirit - final number 4.4 million viewers.
19. Blank - final numbers is 4.6 million viewers.
20. Ageless - final numbers is 4.5 million viewers.
21. Forever- final number 4.0 million viewers.
22. Commencement - final number 5.5 million viewers

Season Five:

16. Hypnotic - Final Number 4.8 million viewers.
17.Void - Final Number 4.2 million viewers.
18. Fragile - Final Number 3.9 million viewers
19. Mercy - Final Number 4.4 million viewers
20 Fade - Final number 4.3 million viewers.
21 Oracle - Final number 4.8 million viewers

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Thought looking at the competitions ratings could provide a little more information.

Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? - Time period premiere - (12.18 million viewers; 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49)
This is the strongest show Fox has had in the Thursday 8 p.m. hour since sitcoms Martin and Living Single in 1996-97.

Ugly Betty (Viewers: #2, 10.77 million; A18-49: 3.4/10)

The First Round, day one NCAA Basketball Tournament (9.59 million viewers; 3.5/ 9 among adults 18-49)

Two repeats The Office (Viewers: #4, avg. 6.63 million; A18-49: #4, avg. 2.8/ 8)

Smallville (Viewers: 4.58 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6)

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
I'm just happy this crapfeast didn't rate higher than "Freak"

Actually "Freak" did poor for it's episode around it's time back in season four/five:

Season Four:

4.15 Sacred - Final number 5.3 million viewers.

Season Five:

5.15 Cyborg - Final Number 6.2 million Viewers.

I assume ratings are gonna get even lower due to the second round of waiting after Combat.


Originally posted by Naomi
Well not exactly how it was promoted. A lot of unspoiled viewers were probably expecting Lana to dump Lex at the alter for Clark or something, especially with all the focus on Clark with a ring, and about to share his secret. The ad's were totally biased in favour of Clana, just like the Trespass ad's did nothing but promote Clana.


And Lexana has been in season 6 all along. Whereas it's only recently that Clana has returned.


True.


But then I'm not surprised that people are getting tired at this point, and starting to switch off

But they aren't turning away, Promise is doing average or above average than past Smallville episodes around this time.

So people aren't turning away.

Also I don't recall those past episodes going up against.

"The First Round, day one NCAA Basketball Tournament"

If the name in itself isn't enough.

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Half-hour breakdowns for both SV and SN:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. - V: 4.17 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. - V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 6

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. - V: 3.60 million, A18-49: 1.5/ 4
9:30 p.m. - V: 3.47 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3

[Ilovebeinglost]

I'm sad. There's 13 million ugly stupid people watching ugly betty rather than Smallville.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
I'm sad. There's 13 million ugly stupid people watching ugly betty rather than Smallville.

Never seen the show, but anything on ABC/NBC > anything on TheCW.

You can't compare first rated networks to a second rated network like THECW.


Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Half-hour breakdowns for both SV and SN:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. - V: 4.17 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. - V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 6

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. - V: 3.60 million, A18-49: 1.5/ 4
9:30 p.m. - V: 3.47 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3

It went up, rather than down like Supernatural did.

So people weren't being turned away.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Why hasn't Smallville been picked up by one of the big networks?

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The WB or now The CW would have to cancel the show first which hasn't and won't happen.

Plus, I highly doubt that a major network would pick it up now. Going into a 7th and likely final season.

Try to enjoy what is left because it will be gone way too soon.

[boywithbluehanger]

Its so odd that even 5 years later people are still comparing shows on the CW (then WB) to the four major networks.

The CW is like a cable/satellite station, since its not broadly syndicated in many towns and cities, and it only has a very limited audience and a strong cult following for each one of its successful shows.

Being within the 5 million range is impressive for shows that are only meant to cling on to a specific following rather than a show that is centered on reaching out to millions of new viewers each week like LOST, HEROES and CSI. Heck Smallville could be costing Til Death and War At Home a comeback season due to the low ratings their shows had against Smallville and those shows were on FOX at 8pm!

Not bad for a semi nationally shown network up against shows like Survivor and new powerhouses like Ugly Betty and The Office!

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To be fair, The WB had a higher potential for viewers.
During season 2 or 3, (can't remember and I don't have ratings before season 4), Smallville had over 8 million viewers on a regular basis.
Just last year it had 6.4 million for Aqua.

Believe it or not 7th Heaven got over 10 million at one point.

The highest rated CW show is the Top Model finale just over 6 million.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Seems like the ratings seem to drop by this time in the season, regardless the story lines, so for Promise to do a 4.58 is actually...um good:
Yet earlier this season there were arguments that the ratings were down (although I always thought they were really good for the CW), and that Clana would give ratings a significant bump. I suspect that The CW believed that would be the case, asked for changes to the show, and promoted Promise so much in the hopes that it would be as much of an event episode as Justice was. So yeah, considering the hype and promotion, the ratings aren't that great. Hypnotic and Lucy just isn't a fair comparision because they were both just filler, and didn't receive half of the promotion and expectations

And the CW were promoting it in terms of Clana, and "Will love conquer all", so I get the impression that they're not going to be looking at it in terms of how past episodes did at this time, so much as feel disappointed that Promise didn't even reach 5 million viewers. Because, from the way the promotion was going all out, I'm guessing that's the numbers they were looking for at the very least

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Naomi
[B]Yet earlier this season there were arguments that the ratings were down (although I always thought they were really good for the CW), and that Clana would give ratings a significant bump. I suspect that The CW believed that would be the case, asked for changes to the show, and promoted Promise so much in the hopes that it would be as much of an event episode as Justice was.

The ratings WERE down as compared to last seasons numbers:

This season:

1. Final number for Zod - 5.0 million viewers.
2. Final number for Sneeze - 5 million viewers.
3. Final number for Wither - 4.9 million viewers.
4. Final number for Arrow - 4.7 million viewers.
5. Final number for Reunion - 4.8 million viewers.
6. Final number for Fallout - 5.0 million viewers.
7. Final number for Rage - 4.5 million viewers.
8. Final number for Static - 4.7 million viewers.
9. Final number for Subterranean - 4.3 million viewers.
10. Final number for Hydro - 4.7 million viewers.
11.Final number for Justice - 5.3 million viewers.
12. Final number for Labyrinth - 5.0 million viewers.
13. Final number for Crimson 5.0 million viewers.
14. Final number for Trespass - 4.7 million viewers.
15. Final numbers for Freak - 4.8 million viewers.

Last Season:

1. Arrival - final number 5.9 million viewers.
2. Mortal - final number 5.9 million viewers
3. Hidden - final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua - final number 6.4 million viewers.
5. Thirst - Final Number 5.8 million viewers
6. Exposed - Final Number 5.4 Million Viewers
7. Splinter - Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers
8. Solitude - Final Number 6.0 Million Viewers
9. Lexmas - Final Number 5.4 Million Vewiers
10. Fanatic - Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers
11. Lockdown - Final Number 5.0 million Viewers.
12. Reckoning - Final Number 6.3 million Viewers.
13. Vengence - Final Number 5.4 million Viewers.
14. Tomb - Final Number 5.4 million Viewers.
15. Cyborg - Final Number 6.2 million Viewers.


So yeah, considering the hype and promotion, the ratings aren't that great. Hypnotic and Lucy just isn't a fair comparision because they were both just filler, and didn't receive half of the promotion and expectations

Lockdown was nowhere near as hyped up as Justice and it did 5.0.

So I guess heavy promos doesn't always work in favor for the series, because Justice was promoted more than Promise was and it wasn't shown after a month break and yet it didn't do any better than Run, Aqua or Cyborg and not much of a difference than an episode like Lockdown which was just a filler.


And the CW were promoting it in terms of Clana, and "Will love conquer all", so I get the impression that they're not going to be looking at it in terms of how past episodes did at this time, so much as feel disappointed that Promise didn't even reach 5 million viewers. Because, from the way the promotion was going all out, I'm guessing that's the numbers they were looking for at the very least

Look at the numbers for the 3rd arc of last season again:

16. Hypnotic - Final Number 4.8 million viewers.
17.Void - Final Number 4.2 million viewers.
18. Fragile - Final Number 3.9 million viewers
19. Mercy - Final Number 4.4 million viewers
20. Fade - Final number 4.3 million viewers.
21. Oracle - Final number 4.8 million viewers
22. Vessel - 4.58 million viewers.

Only two episodes average higher than Promise, Hypnotic -- a heavy promoted Clana episode and the second episode to the finale.

What do the episodes in between the heavy Clana episode and Oracle all have in common?

The start of Lexana.

So if you're trying to tell me TPTB are better off sticking with Lexana than having it fall, than I think you're wrong to believe that because nothing shows that Lexana does any justice to the numbers.

[Absentee]

Wow. A jump of almost a million viewers.

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Actually as long as the Final Ratings don't drop, Promise ratings are equal to last season finale.

522 - Vessel - 4.58 million

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Actually as long as the Final Ratings don't drop, Promise ratings are equal to last season finale.

522 - Vessel - 4.58 million

Which was promoted way more than Promise since it was the finale.

[monstra]

The ratings are okay.

I thought they could've done a much better job with the trailer for this episode. Something like that A-Channel trailer would've been far more interesting to watch.

The show didn't lose 1.2 million viewers from the last episode to this one tho, so I consider that good.

It's funny that this episode, heck this whole second half is doing better than season 4 back then 2 years ago.

[Bosrudorfer]

I hope the final rating is LOWER. Promise was so stupid and they keep dragging it on and on and on.

Clark "protected" Lana and now Lana is "protecting" Clark.. phfff

She is so used too. Been with 5 guys or so, pregrant, and now married...

AND SUPERMAN CRIED!? WTF?

[Naomi]

Originally posted by Kreukie
The ratings WERE down as compared to last seasons numbers:
I'm not saying that they weren't. I actually thought ratings for Smallville were really good at the start of this season, considering it's the highest rated drama on the CW. But people did argue that ratings were so awful, and bringing back Clana would see the ratings that season 5 pulled in on the WB. And Promise is an episode that promoted Clana heavily, but the CW is getting the exact same numbers for Smallville that they would have done if they had left well alone. That's my argument.

Clana hasn't given them the much talked about ratings bump so far, in either Trespass or Promise which promoted Clana the most (Trespass was nothing but Lana and Clana in the trailers). And if Promise had of done as well as Justice, or higher, I'm sure that people would be racing to credit the promotion of Clana for it. But so far it hasn't made much of a difference clearly.

What do the episodes in between the heavy Clana episode and Oracle all have in common?

The start of Lexana.
The first half of season 5 was a lot stronger than the second half, I don't think anyone will say differently. I've always found it a bit of a stretch to attribute the ratings to Clana, and blame anything bad on Lexana. I assumed that ratings dropped in season 5 because there was real momentum in the first half. Then ratings were strong, so A&M start stalling again, and viewers got tired. More filler and sex filled episodes like Hypnotic, which was just what saw season 4 not bring in ratings. If ratings can be connected to anything, it's about quality of the storyline and SV moving foward IMO, not on whatever ship is being hyped. If Lexana happened in the first half of season 5, and Clana in the second half, do you honestly believe that Clana would have such a big affect, and bring in the ratings that early season 5 episodes did? Because most viewers don't watch for ships, they watch as long as the writing for Clark and Lex is strong. And early season 5 had some brilliant writing with the FOS and Prof.Fine as well

So if you're trying to tell me TPTB are better off sticking with Lexana than having it fall, than I think you're wrong to believe that because nothing shows that Lexana the episodes any justice.
I wasn't referring to Lexana. I was talking about the CW bringing back the Clana in the belief that ratings would rise by a lot. I'd say that actual good episodes like Justice are far more likely to bring in ratings than anything to do with ships. And assasinating characters was about the worst way possible to bring Clana back anyway

[monstra]

Originally posted by Naomi
I'm not saying that they weren't. I actually thought ratings for Smallville were really good at the start of this season, considering it's the highest rated drama on the CW. But people did argue that ratings were so awful, and bringing back Clana would see the ratings that season 5 pulled in on the WB. And Promise is an episode that promoted Clana heavily, but the CW is getting the exact same numbers for Smallville that they would have done if they had left well alone. That's my argument.

Clana hasn't given them the much talked about ratings bump so far, in either Trespass or Promise which promoted Clana the most (Trespass was nothing but Lana and Clana in the trailers). And if Promise had of done as well as Justice, or higher, I'm sure that people would be racing to credit the promotion of Clana for it. But so far it hasn't made much of a difference clearly.

The first half of season 5 was a lot stronger than the second half, I don't think anyone will say differently. I've always found it a bit of a stretch to attribute the ratings to Clana, and blame anything bad on Lexana. I assumed that ratings dropped in season 5 because there was real momentum in the first half. Then ratings were strong, so A&M start stalling again, and viewers got tired. More filler and sex filled episodes like Hypnotic, which was just what saw season 4 not bring in ratings. If ratings can be connected to anything, it's about quality of the storyline and SV moving foward IMO, not on whatever ship is being hyped. If Lexana happened in the first half of a season, and Clana in the second half, do you honestly think that Clana would have such a big affect, and bring in the ratings that early season 5 episodes did?

I wasn't referring to Lexana. I was talking about the CW bringing back the Clana in the belief that ratings would rise by a lot. I'd say that actual good episodes like Justice are far more likely to bring in ratings than anything to do with ships. And assasinating characters was about the worst way possible to bring Clana back anyway

This episode wasn't Clana heavily promoted.. it promoted the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle that most people despise, and the casual viewer wasn't probably expecting a good Clana episode when Lexana was getting married.

Plus you can't expect the viewer to see a 3 sec Clana scene in the trailer and come back, I think most people are tired of all the angst and stuff.

Commencement was also pimped with Lana's I love you, and the ratings didn't do THAT good, why? because it takes a while for ratings to get stronger. Don't expect just because Clana is pimped for a bit that ratings are gonna go up to 6 millions. At least this isn't what *I* mean when I say Clana helps the ratings.

Plus that stu pid Fox show must've gotten some of our viewers too. -_-

[Naomi]

Originally posted by monstra
This episode wasn't Clana heavily promoted.. it promoted the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle that most people despise, and the casual viewer wasn't probably expecting a good Clana episode when Lexana was getting married.
Well it was still being promoted as Clark about to share the secret/about to propose. "Will love conquer all". I think the CW's promotion was following the letters they had been send in urging them too focus more on Clana, because so and so no longer watches the show now that Clana is done. Hence ad's teasing that Clana will return, there's going to be some shippy Clana as Clark will be proposing

I remember when Crimson's ratings rose in the second half, and it was seized upon as proof that viewers do tune in to see possible Clana.


Don't expect just because Clana is pimped for a bit that ratings are gonna go up to 6 millions. At least this isn't what *I* mean when I say Clana helps the ratings.
A lot of people seemed to be talking like so many more viewers would come though, so I'm sure the CW at any rate is hoping for viewers to rise in the second half of season 6 as Clana becomes more of a factor again. And Promise's ratings have actually fallen. I'm not saying that Clana in itself would harm ratings, but I think the horrible way they are going about it isn't doing the show any favours. Especially when it's season 6 in Clark's journey, and they're doing such a number on his character for the sake of bringing back a ship that was dead and buried at the beginning of season 6

[mobiusklein]

Also the whole idea of throwing bad money after good by continuing the Clana trainwreck is like continuing the war in Iraq.

[CallMeClark]

Well, it seems super-hero guest spots really pull in the ratings. But you don't want a show to just have guest stars to get ratings...

[paolinki25]

I'm not surprised by the ratings, and I predict next week won't do any better. People are completely turned off after watching "Promise". I know, I am.

And come on, this episode was heavily promoted as "Clana/Clexana deal" "Love conquers all", constant scenes with Lana looking at Clark, Clark saying he couldn't let her marry Lex, and you tell me it wasn't Clana promoted? Come on...

[smallvilleRED]

Smallville used to be one of those "top" shows,ratings wise,back in season 1 and 2.

[Sk8erGur1]

I hope the ratings next week are ****. They say people watch the following episode from what they see in the previous. Lois is coming back, I am very tempted to watch, but I ain't. I'll catch her journey on youtube.

I'm glad this episode did poorly (compared to what most people thought it would do) seeing how it promoted the soap opera/clark and lana drama bull... heh, and that's what people want to see most of the time, right?

eta:


Trying to make up excuses (oh, almost a million viewer jump, etc..) ain't working. It was Clark and Lana promoted with the angsty stares and the whole 'love conquers all'. They're weren't promoting Lex and Lana. I can;t believe that when an episode does good and its heavily clark and lana promoted we hear 'clana brought in the ratings' but when it doesn't we get all these excuses as to why it didn't. Since the episode 'Hydro' - Clark and Lana have been promoted so there are no excuses.

I'm glad it didn't do well. I hope they keep tanking.

[monstra]

LOL. Yeah. Lexana getting married totally gave the idea this was a Clana episode.

And even if Clana did bring the ratings down (even when at least most of us know thats not true considering history and other factors that involved this episode) it doesnt even matter. Lexana brought the show's ratings down for a year and AlMiles still kept it going.

If you wanna have episodes like Justice with a bunch of guest stars to get good ratings than that's fine by me, but I know keeping Clana together like they did in S5 can do that aswell and without the extra money they have to pay for the guest stars they hire.

and yeah apareantly all of you chose to ignore the fact that fox has a new show airing at the same time that has gotten them the best ratings in 7 or 8 years, and still svl had pretty much the same ratings from last month.

eta: overnights have been the same for like the last 5 episodes. id think thats a good thing too.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by monstra
LOL. Yeah. Lexana getting married totally gave the idea this was a Clana episode.

And even if Clana did bring the ratings down (even when at least most of us know thats not true considering history and other factors that involved this episode) it doesnt even matter. Lexana brought the show's ratings down for a year and AlMiles still kept it going.

If you wanna have episodes like Justice with a bunch of guest stars to get good ratings than that's fine by me, but I know keeping Clana together like they did in S5 can do that aswell and without the extra money they have to pay for the guest stars they hire.


It wasn't about the gueststars for 'Justice'. The action! Seeing Clark do something rather than mope. The heros certainly did help but it was as equally good to see Clark being a true hero.


I'm not going to bother debating with you on whether or not it was a Clark and Lana trailer because it wouldn't help any. It was a Clark and Lana related trailer. So who in the hell were they speaking about when saying 'love conquers all'? Oh, and I suppose Clark was telling Shelby or Chloe 'I can't let you marry Lex'.

Blah. Whateva.


The episode was poor. They promoted Clark and Lana over anything else. The ratings weren't as good. I'm happy. Hopefully they continue to spiral downward into the toilet.


eta: The overnights have not been the same for the past 5 episode, dude.

[monstra]

I also think next week is gonna suck ratings wise, not because of Promise leftovers but because episode 17 has gotten the worse ratings for a while now, plus the fact that the traier was weak doesnt help much.

But after that break, and Progeny airs, I think ratings are gonna start getting a little better.

but yeah clana = bad ratings, guess those 5.9 million ppl that saw mortal had a little bit of memory lost and forgot about the trailer pimping clana banging.

[Sk8erGur1]

Next will do bad depending upon what the viewers thought of the previous episode and hopefully they thought it sucked hard.

And that was last season so... I don't care.

[monstra]

Great argument.

You're right about the overnights tho, sorry bout that.

So you're saying S5 did good cuz people liked what they saw *cough* clana *cough* all the way until Hypnotic? cuz after that is when ratings started dying

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by monstra
Great argument.

You're right about the overnights tho, sorry bout that.

So you're saying S5 did good cuz people liked what they saw all the way until Hypnotic?


What? How did you get from 'Mortal' to 'Hypnotic'? I don't care about last season. A whole season makes a hell of a difference. Your not going to get the same viewers now as you had then.

Let's end this discussion, now. If your going to insult me with snarky comments like 'great arguement' then I don't think I'm advanced enough for your type of game.

You win. The trailer wasn't at all Clark and Lana promoted evern though the included the angsty Clark and Lana 'stares', a scene with Clark moping in the back of the church, and Clark coming into Lex's mansion protesting against someone marrying Lex.

[monstra]

LOL. I just want an answer from you.

You said viewership changes depending people liking or not liking what they see in past episodes.

S5 was quite steady until Hypnotic aired and Clana broke up, the ratings were just one big mess after that.

[kkjdt]

you know I hope they use something like this episode as their last episode because than I won't be left with wanting more....

I don't know what I want now.....

:rolleyes:

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Half-hour breakdowns for both SV and SN:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. - V: 4.17 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. - V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 6

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. - V: 3.60 million, A18-49: 1.5/ 4
9:30 p.m. - V: 3.47 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3

I wonder is they're going to cancel Supernatural... like they did my 'Veronica Mars'.


Booo.

[Dannyblue1]

As for Lexana getting married, most people I know (who weren't spoiled) didn't think the wedding was going to happen. Based on the trailers, most thought that, at the last minute, Clark would come in and "rescue" Lana in some big, romantic, Clana-heavy scene, and Clark would get the girl in the end.

So, basically, they thought the episode was going to be very pro-Clana, with Lexana finally biting the dust.

Seems like something people would want to see if Clana was actually what drew them to the show.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
As for Lexana getting married, most people I know (who weren't spoiled) didn't think the wedding was going to happen. Based on the trailers, most thought that, at the last minute, Clark would come in and "rescue" Lana in some big, romantic, Clana-heavy scene, and Clark would get the girl in the end.

So, basically, they thought the episode was going to be very pro-Clana, with Lexana finally biting the dust.

Seems like something people would want to see if Clana was actually what drew them to the show.


Exactly. :rolleyes:

[Scribe]

Look....the kind of mass audience that watches Smallville and I don't mean the Clana, Chlarkers and Cloisers don't care about the ships. They care about the story. You can promote the heck out of Promise all you like but basically it amounts to Clark moping, Lana embroiled in inner turmoil and Lex being evil wrapped up in a wedding. Unless something of a twist was going to happen, the mass audience really couldn't care less. They want to see a story. What Justice and Freak had wasn't so much guest stars or twists, it was plot. Good plot where Clark wasn't moping around the place and doing something. Where Lana was contributing something to the storyline other than ponder questions about honesty while promoting the hypocrisy of her own feelings. There was a reason why the Oliver/Lois breaking up scene was so effective. We didn't have six years of building up to get to it. They realised it wasn't working an moved on. Their story had flow, it wasn't mired.

What the TPTB have to realise their audience has changed and the new ones who are tuning in (hopefully) aren't interested in the ships but rather a young Superman.

[monstra]

I thought VM hadnt been canceled yet..

[Dor el]

Originally posted by Scribe
Look....the kind of mass audience that watches Smallville and I don't mean the Clana, Chlarkers and Cloisers don't care about the ships. They care about the story. You can promote the heck out of Promise all you like but basically it amounts to Clark moping, Lana embroiled in inner turmoil and Lex being evil wrapped up in a wedding. Unless something of a twist was going to happen, the mass audience really couldn't care less. They want to see a story. What Justice and Freak had wasn't so much guest stars or twists, it was plot. Good plot where Clark wasn't moping around the place and doing something. Where Lana was contributing something to the storyline other than ponder questions about honesty while promoting the hypocrisy of her own feelings. There was a reason why the Oliver/Lois breaking up scene was so effective. We didn't have six years of building up to get to it. They realised it wasn't working an moved on. Their story had flow, it wasn't mired.

What the TPTB have to realise their audience has changed and the new ones who are tuning in (hopefully) aren't interested in the ships but rather a young Superman.

How sane of you to assume that "plot" affects viewership. I agree. It's all about the story told in an entertaining, effective, and decent way.

As far as the rating drop post hypnotic...well I can understand that somewhat. To me, hypnotic was too much like soft porn. I no longer let my young daughter watch because of what she might be exposed to. SV is in a family watching time period and often kids watch tv during that time period. Most parents I know will not allow their impressionable young children to watch trash like Hypnotic.

[Bosrudorfer]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
I hope the ratings next week are ****. They say people watch the following episode from what they see in the previous. Lois is coming back, I am very tempted to watch, but I ain't. I'll catch her journey on youtube.


I agree, I wont be watching for a while.

I might break and watch on youtube but I wont be watching on Thursday nights.

Is the final rating out already? :confused:

[CallMeClark]

Originally posted by monstra
I thought VM hadnt been canceled yet..
It's has NOT! :lol: I have been keeping updated. It is changing the format. :) Check out TVGUIDE and E!ONLINE.

[curiosity]

When will they learn? No one wants to see episodes that aren't centered around Clark. When they made the episode all about Lana and Lex getting married, that's not Clark's story. That's Lana's story, and Lex's story.

[jack1487]

Originally posted by Naomi
Yet earlier this season there were arguments that the ratings were down (although I always thought they were really good for the CW), and that Clana would give ratings a significant bump. I suspect that The CW believed that would be the case, asked for changes to the show, and promoted Promise so much in the hopes that it would be as much of an event episode as Justice was. So yeah, considering the hype and promotion, the ratings aren't that great. Hypnotic and Lucy just isn't a fair comparision because they were both just filler, and didn't receive half of the promotion and expectations

And the CW were promoting it in terms of Clana, and "Will love conquer all", so I get the impression that they're not going to be looking at it in terms of how past episodes did at this time, so much as feel disappointed that Promise didn't even reach 5 million viewers. Because, from the way the promotion was going all out, I'm guessing that's the numbers they were looking for at the very least


Well I can say that they did not promote the show where I live, we only see ad's for Dr. Phil and not more from The CW, also a lot of people do not have cable or over the air stations that they watch, me I have DirecTV and we are not counted at all. But if you check out the internet Smallville is one of the highest rated shows in the upper 10. So some where it's doing great, just don't get so down on evey thing..

Thanks for reading,

Jack

[Jack-El49]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Thought looking at the competitions ratings could provide a little more information.

Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? - Time period premiere - (12.18 million viewers; 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49)
This is the strongest show Fox has had in the Thursday 8 p.m. hour since sitcoms Martin and Living Single in 1996-97.

Ugly Betty (Viewers: #2, 10.77 million; A18-49: 3.4/10)

The First Round, day one NCAA Basketball Tournament (9.59 million viewers; 3.5/ 9 among adults 18-49)

Two repeats The Office (Viewers: #4, avg. 6.63 million; A18-49: #4, avg. 2.8/ 8)

Smallville (Viewers: 4.58 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6)

More people need to pay attention to this. Everyone looks at raw numbers (namely the Clana haters) and want to blame the fact that Promise didn't outscore one of the big three broadcast networks as a sign that people want to see superhero stories only. BS!

Every week networks compete in their timeslots. Fox moved
"Are you smarter than a 5th grader" up against Smallville because SV was consistently kicking its ass. That's competition.

The NCAA March Madness BB Tournament begins against Promise. That draws a large share of the 18 - 49 y/o viewership away.

Ugly Betty consistently scores high with 12-14 Million viewers each week and is a dominant program, although I can't imagine why - I watched about 20 minutes of it during one of the SV rerun weeks.

Justice was a really good superhero episode but was up against Ugly Betty (which had 14.1 million viewers that night), a rerun of CSI, and My Name is Earl and the Office. Labrynth was a very good episode and was up against all reruns, except Fox's War at Home, which SV consistently beats anyway.

Anyone who wants to think that viewers shift away based on a single storyline is pretty linear thinking that really misses the boat. If it is comforting to the Clana haters, then let them be comforted in believing they found "the reason". Just realize that it is far more likely that a Clana storyline is not the reason for numbers that are lower than could be expected.

Only when there are no competitive variables to consider (reruns on other networks, hot new shows being inserted against your show, major national sporting events, hyped specials or popular finales/premieres on other networks) can the viewer numbers provide any chance of some relative value analysis between storylines.

It would be no different and equally stupid to assert that people really want to see Clana moments rather than superhero episodes because Ugly Betty had 14.1 million viewers up against Justice (which had 5.2 million viewers) and only 10.77 million when Promise (which had 4.8 million viewers) was broadcast, and justify it by saying that Smarter than a 5th Grader only pulled 400K viewers from SV while it pulled 3.3M viewers away from Betty, ergo, people hang in to see Clana moments.

[Kreukie]

Did you guys read the main page of K-Site? Because if you did, Promise actually did VERY well.


Smallville's return episode did decently in the ratings, though it still lost to fifth graders.

Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? gave FOX their best Thursday night in almost ten years, so ratings on the other networks were down across the board.

Variety noted that Smallville did particularly well in its demographic "CW was above average with original episodes of "Smallville" (2.0/6 in 18-49, 4.6 million viewers overall) and "Supernatural" (1.4/4 in 18-49, 3.5 million viewers overall)," they said. It should be noted also that Smallville improved in its second half hour.

Remember CW looks for demographics before ratings and the demos were above average last night for Promise!

Meaning Promise in TheCW eyes did better than episodes before it.

Also again like I've pointed out with ratings from season five and four, around this time the ratings fall and even with that Promise ratings did well compared to most episodes around this time in season five, which over-all did VERY WELL as compared to this whole season in the ratings!

And the fact the episode numbers jumped almost a million viewers during the second half proves again that people weren't turned away from the episode.

Because by the second half, Lana was already leaving Lex, Lana and Clark have had already kissed and Clark was asking Lana not to go through with the wedding.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Did you guys read the main page of K-Site? Because if you did, Promise actually did VERY well.



Remember CW looks for demographics before ratings and the demos were above average last night for Promise!

Meaning Promise in TheCW eyes did better than episodes before it.

Also again like I've pointed out with ratings from season five and four, around this time the ratings fall and even with that Promise ratings did well compared to most episodes around this time in season five, which over-all did VERY WELL as compared to this whole season in the ratings!

And the fact the episode numbers jumped almost a million viewers during the second half proves again that people weren't turned away from the episode.

Because by the second half, Lana was already leaving Lex, Lana and Clark have had already kissed and Clark was asking Lana not to go through with the wedding.


Eh. Still -- 4.5.:p

[Kreukie]

Actually it's 4.6. Which is good for this time of the year.

Not even the season finale of last year did a 4.6. :p

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Actually it's 4.6. Which is good for this time of the year.

Not even the season finale of last year did a 4.6. :p

This isn't a season finale, so that's an odd comparison.

The ratings didn't do as good as everyone hyped them up to do and this was a Clark and Lana episode. I'm happy.


Hopefully the series starts to focus on Clark's journey and not this soap opera nonsense.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
[B]This isn't a season finale, so that's an odd comparison.

Well you keep over-looking the fact that the episode did very well in the demo, the numbers jumped almost a million in the second half and for an episode for the 3rd arch it did good.


The ratings didn't do as good as everyone hyped them up to do and this was a Clark and Lana episode. I'm happy.

I'm happy too, the episode did very well.

And since the demo is what pays off TheCW income wise, which keeps a series like Smallville on the air.

You should be very happy.


Hopefully the series starts to focus on Clark's journey and not this soap opera nonsense.

They barely focus on Clark's journey even when they're not doing the soap opera nonsense that you guys love calling it.

We've had how many seasons where there's room for Clark to grow and he still hasn't?

Clark spent most of this season nowhere near Lana and he still hasn't accepted who he is... he had Oliver all first arch poking him with a stick telling him to take action towards things.

He had four different heroes gang up on him in Justice to have him finally move.

Yet it's Lana that holds Clark back.:rolleyes:

[Sk8erGur1]

Eh --I don't care about the demo's or the blah or blah. The episode only got 4.5, I mean 4.6 for it to have done sooo well 'demo'-wise. Everyone hyped it up to do better and it didn't. I was very disappointed with almost every character in this episode and I thought it was going to do better than this and it didn't. So, I'm happy.


SV!Clark Kent sucks.


Stewie is my Superman.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Well, it doesn't matter what you care about, it matters what the CW cares about, and that's the young adult demographic, which Smallville does very well in.

[Dor el]

Many viewers were under the impression that SV is about Clark's journey toward the blue tights. Lately, that journey seems to be on a mild truck route. If the show delivers what I suspect many want to see (Superman in the making), then TPTB wouldn't have to worry about ratings as much. I think the rating would come. Instead, they use daytime soaps as their pattern. Maybe because day time soaps seem to go on forever, TPTB think prime time TV would do well using the same model. It has worked before, for a while.

As for me, give me Clark-------->Superman. I want to see kick butt action with a human story, not sappy soggy sagas.

Plus, the episodes about Clark do seem to fare better than all the peripheral episodes. Looks they would figure out that, by and large, Clark or maybe Clark vs Lex is the big draw.

[dimeo782002]

i wanted to ask although other tv stations have higher ratings isn't smallville the highest rated on the cw???? i mean thats atleast good for that reason if its on the top of the ratings on the cw then it most likely won't be cut.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by dimeo782002
i wanted to ask although other tv stations have higher ratings isn't smallville the highest rated on the cw???? i mean thats atleast good for that reason if its on the top of the ratings on the cw then it most likely won't be cut.

Yes, you are correct, it is the highest rated on The CW currently. And yes, many other networks have higher ratings. Also, Smallville almost definitely won't get "cut" and there's really no founded speculation that it will. It will last at least through Season 7, as that has been all but officially confirmed.

People just bring up the comparison to other networks because they don't, personally, like the way the show is going and they think the fact that it isn't "winning" the ratings war justifies their feelings. My best suggestion is to ignore these people if you want to remain unbiased.

[dimeo782002]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Yes, you are correct, it is the highest rated on The CW currently. And yes, many other networks have higher ratings. Also, Smallville almost definitely won't get "cut" and there's really no founded speculation that it will. It will last at least through Season 7, as that has been all but officially confirmed.

People just bring up the comparison to other networks because they don't, personally, like the way the show is going and they think the fact that it isn't "winning" the ratings war justifies their feelings. My best suggestion is to ignore these people if you want to remain unbiased.

i wanted to say thank you for your reply. i was on another forum and got chewed out and called stupid for being happy that smallville was #1 on the cw. just because other stations had higher ratings i don't understand how some people are so hateful and they still watch the show i think they are mad at themselves or something lol lol lol lol i love smallville. no it does not always go the way i want it too but im not gonna get angry because its number one on its own station!!!! thank you and have a wonderful day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[puddinpiester]

Originally posted by dimeo782002
i wanted to say thank you for your reply. i was on another forum and got chewed out and called stupid for being happy that smallville was #1 on the cw. just because other stations had higher ratings i don't understand how some people are so hateful and they still watch the show i think they are mad at themselves or something lol lol lol lol i love smallville. no it does not always go the way i want it too but im not gonna get angry because its number one on its own station!!!! thank you and have a wonderful day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To both Dimeo and Midgarddragon, classy responses. I sincerely do not understand why people who seem so unhappy watching SV, still watch SV. If the tv show upsets you, drives you insane, makes you sick, for goodness sakes, don't watch it. but, because some of us do enjoy SV for the most part and take advantage of its showing on TV, doesn't mean we're stupid, retarded, have no life, do not hold true to the Superman mythos, or ay other negative connotation. It simply means we enjoy watching SV. Period. There is no underlylying symbolic message. there is no unrequieted hate. There is no unmet expectations. It is, afterall, a tv show about a character created from someone's fantastic imagination. Maybe a bit of creative imagination on the viewer's part would allow the show to be more palatable. I am thankful for any ratings support SV can get. I can't think of a single show on any other network that I consistently watch. I have precious little tv time so I choose what entertains me most. I watch SV.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I want to thank the last few people who posted. I was beginning to think I was the only person on here who still truly enjoys SV!

I can't stand it when some get so upset that it's not following the comic books word-for-word. How boring would SV be if we knew everything that was going to happen, or if we always got our way?! I truly enjoy the liberties Gough & Millar have taken w/ their stories, and I will keep watching until SV is over.

[dimeo782002]

AAAAAAWWWWW IT IS SO NICE TO HEAR SOME POSITIVE RESPONSE FOR A CHANGE I HAVE TRULY BEEN EXHAUSTED FROM OTHER SITES AND BLOGS ARGUING WITH PEOPLE AND ITS NICE TO TALK WITH PEOPLE THAT STILL ENJOY THE SHOW. AS LONG AS THE RATINGS ARE THE HIGHEST ON THE CW WE CAN BE HAPPY TO WATCH MORE SMALLVILLE THIS IS A GOOD THING AND TO THOSE WHO POST *****ING AND COMPLAINING AT US FOR BEING HAPPY WHY EVEN WATCH THE DAM SHOW IF YOUR PISSED I THINK YOUR MAD CAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP WATCHING IT!!!!!!!

[dcf]

lol I agree. If I was as upset with the show as some other people on here, I probably would have stopped watching a long time ago.

For me it is the only thing I watch on tv too.

[MidgardDragon]

Yep, I stopped watching Lost when it started sucking, and never went onto message boards to say how awful it was. I don't get why anyone would want to (I don't get why anyone would hate the show and want to stop watching either, though.)

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Yep, I stopped watching Lost when it started sucking, and never went onto message boards to say how awful it was. I don't get why anyone would want to (I don't get why anyone would hate the show and want to stop watching either, though.)

I think people keep watching the show because they know it can be good.

Watching a great episode of SV is...well, great. When the writers, directors, actors, and so on get it right, watching SV can be a real joy.

So, I think most viewers of SV go into every episode hoping it will be one of the great ones. And, since most viewers aren't psycic, they won't know until they actually watch the episode. There were many times a promo made it look like an ep was going to suck when, in actuality, it was pretty good.

And, when an episode is really good, these boards light up with praise for it.

However, when an episode turns out to be disappointing, a veiwer has every right to come to a message board like this one and talk about why they were disappointed.

I don't remember seeing anywhere in the rules that posters were free to come here and talk about anything concerning SV...but only the good stuff.

[MidgardDragon]

I don't remember seeing anywhere in the rules that posters were free to come here and talk about anything concerning SV...but only the good stuff.

No one said that was a part of the rules, so you're just starting an argument that isn't there. I and others have said it doesn't make sense to us that anyone would want to come here and whine about it, and we have just as much right to be confused by people's choice to do so as those people do to make that choice in the first place.

I always love when this argument starts, "We can talk about the bad stuff too!" No one said you couldn't, but don't expect everyone to agree with you or even agree that your arguments make sense.


And, when an episode is really good, these boards light up with praise for it.

Pay attention to the boards more closely. Even when an episode is outstanding, we almost always get a "worst episode ever" thread and a pretty balanced amount of "downers" with all the praise.

For those of us that like the show as it is it does get old to hear all the negativity. No one's telling anyone what they can and can't post, we are just saying it gets old, and it's nice to have people who actually like the show post once in a while, as with the exchange you saw earlier between a few of us.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
No one said that was a part of the rules, so you're just starting an argument that isn't there. I and others have said it doesn't make sense to us that anyone would want to come here and whine about it, and we have just as much right to be confused by people's choice to do so as those people do to make that choice in the first place.

I always love when this argument starts, "We can talk about the bad stuff too!" No one said you couldn't, but don't expect everyone to agree with you or even agree that your arguments make sense.

I'm not starting an argument. However, what's the point of posting things like, "If you don't like the show, why are you watching?" or "Why do people come here to talk about what they don't like about SV?" You surely must expect some kind of response. Because, while you might not be saying, "You can't talk about the bad stuff," that's sort of what questions like that imply you mean.


Pay attention to the boards more closely. Even when an episode is outstanding, we almost always get a "worst episode ever" thread and a pretty balanced amount of "downers" with all the praise.

No episode of any show I've ever watched was loved by every fan. You always have someone who doesn't like something, and will post about it. But, when an episode is seen by most as really good, the majority of what you'll see in threads for that episode will be positive.


For those of us that like the show as it is it does get old to hear all the negativity. No one's telling anyone what they can and can't post, we are just saying it gets old, and it's nice to have people who actually like the show post once in a while, as with the exchange you saw earlier between a few of us.

I can see that. However, there's no need to villify those who do decide to express their complaints. (By calling them "haters" for example, which I've seen plenty of.)

[puddinpiester]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I'm not starting an argument. However, what's the point of posting things like, "If you don't like the show, why are you watching?" or "Why do people come here to talk about what they don't like about SV?" You surely must expect some kind of response. Because, while you might not be saying, "You can't talk about the bad stuff," that's sort of what questions like that imply you mean.



No episode of any show I've ever watched was loved by every fan. You always have someone who doesn't like something, and will post about it. But, when an episode is seen by most as really good, the majority of what you'll see in threads for that episode will be positive.



I can see that. However, there's no need to villify those who do decide to express their complaints. (By calling them "haters" for example, which I've seen plenty of.)

So your mom always gave you a half empty glass of warm milk rather than a half full glass of warm milk.

I agree with the MD that negative posts seem to far over shadow the positive ones. Even when the general consensus is that the epi was good. Truly constructive criticism in reasonable amounts in appropriate context is fine. Although, why people who have only negative things to say and appear to spew hatred for the show continue to watch SV eludes me. To say that they watch with the anticipation that a "good" episode might air, appears to be a waste time. Record it, check out the reviews, and then decide whether or not to spend your time watching SV. But, I guess that if everyone did that, only us positive posters would post and those negative posters would be dependent on our subjectivity.

Variety is the spice of life or so I've heard. I enjoy the Superman comics, the tv shows, and the movies. I am glad that they are not all the same. Like mentioned above, if we knew everything that was gonna happen and exactly the way it was gonna happen, where would be the fun in that? That SV presents a different way of telling the Clark to Superman story, is a good thing. At least from my perspective. Perhaps that's the reason why the term "poetic license" was coined. I realize that viewers who are completely consumed with the original Superman comics version of the hero may never tolerate deviations in the telling of the story. And that's OK, too. They fill a niche. And that can be a good thing.

It's not my intention to "vilify" anyone. so please do not assume that I am doing that. My opinion is as pertinent and accurate as any one else's. Agreement is not necessary.

I simply enjoy SV. Even the episodes which may be weaker than others, I can still find some good in them. But, of course, I am looking for the good.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by puddinpiester
So your mom always gave you a half empty glass of warm milk rather than a half full glass of warm milk.

What the heck does that mean?

So, if I complain about things on SV that disappointment, I must be a pessimist?

Actually, I am quite the optimist. That doesn't keep me from noticing when something is bad.

And I hate warm milk.


Truly constructive criticism in reasonable amounts in appropriate context is fine.

And it's up to you to decide what these reasonable amounts are?


Although, why people who have only negative things to say and appear to spew hatred for the show continue to watch SV eludes me.

So, giving your opinion about something that disappointed you is "spewing hatred" now?

I've seen hatred get spewed. Someone talking about why they disliked an episode of a TV show ain't it.


To say that they watch with the anticipation that a "good" episode might air, appears to be a waste time. Record it, check out the reviews, and then decide whether or not to spend your time watching SV. But, I guess that if everyone did that, only us positive posters would post and those negative posters would be dependent on our subjectivity.

Thank you for telling me how I should watch TV. And nice sarcasm there with that last line. (Because only comments made by those with "good things" to say are worthwhile.)


Variety is the spice of life or so I've heard. I enjoy the Superman comics, the tv shows, and the movies. I am glad that they are not all the same. Like mentioned above, if we knew everything that was gonna happen and exactly the way it was gonna happen, where would be the fun in that? That SV presents a different way of telling the Clark to Superman story, is a good thing. At least from my perspective. Perhaps that's the reason why the term "poetic license" was coined. I realize that viewers who are completely consumed with the original Superman comics version of the hero may never tolerate deviations in the telling of the story. And that's OK, too. They fill a niche. And that can be a good thing.

I'm not "consumed" by the comics. I have a general idea what comics canon is, but don't judge SV based on it. I've liked many of the changes SV has made.

Being a new interpretation of something doesn't automatically make it good. I consider myself a fan of SV (which is why I watch it, by the way) but that doesn't make me blind to it's faults. And I shouldn't have to be blind to its faults in order to be considered a "true" fan.


It's not my intention to "vilify" anyone. so please do not assume that I am doing that. My opinion is as pertinent and accurate as any one else's. Agreement is not necessary.

When you classify those who dare to criticize the show as "spewing hatred", there's a little villifying going on. But I was mostly talking about those who has labeled anyone who doesn't like something about SV as "haters." Hardly a word used by those who respect the points of view of others.


I simply enjoy SV. Even the episodes which may be weaker than others, I can still find some good in them. But, of course, I am looking for the good.

I love to sit back and enjoy TV shows too...when they are good, or at least entertaining, and deserve to be enjoyed. I shouldn't have to turn my brain off and ignore the flaws to "sit back and enjoy" a TV show. I think a show owes the audience the best they can give them. And I just don't think episodes like "Promise" are the best SV can do.

[Routh]

Best Episode - 321, are the final numbers in yet?

[Mr. Wrong]

I thought the only reason for these sites was for fans to meet and discuss the pros and cons of SV. I for one rave when an episode is exceptional and villify with my posting when I watch a stinker. I always welcome naysayers and enjoy a lively debate.

[Timester]

Originally posted by puddinpiester
So your mom always gave you a half empty glass of warm milk rather than a half full glass of warm milk.

I agree with the MD that negative posts seem to far over shadow the positive ones. Even when the general consensus is that the epi was good. Truly constructive criticism in reasonable amounts in appropriate context is fine. Although, why people who have only negative things to say and appear to spew hatred for the show continue to watch SV eludes me. To say that they watch with the anticipation that a "good" episode might air, appears to be a waste time. Record it, check out the reviews, and then decide whether or not to spend your time watching SV. But, I guess that if everyone did that, only us positive posters would post and those negative posters would be dependent on our subjectivity.

Variety is the spice of life or so I've heard. I enjoy the Superman comics, the tv shows, and the movies. I am glad that they are not all the same. Like mentioned above, if we knew everything that was gonna happen and exactly the way it was gonna happen, where would be the fun in that? That SV presents a different way of telling the Clark to Superman story, is a good thing. At least from my perspective. Perhaps that's the reason why the term "poetic license" was coined. I realize that viewers who are completely consumed with the original Superman comics version of the hero may never tolerate deviations in the telling of the story. And that's OK, too. They fill a niche. And that can be a good thing.

It's not my intention to "vilify" anyone. so please do not assume that I am doing that. My opinion is as pertinent and accurate as any one else's. Agreement is not necessary.

I simply enjoy SV. Even the episodes which may be weaker than others, I can still find some good in them. But, of course, I am looking for the good.

Why are we even having an argument about this? Let me just post this rule (I still remember why it was created, to stop these kinda of arguments once and for all):

"14) Flamewars and insults are strictly prohibited. This board is for the discussion of anything about the shows we cover, whether it is positive or negative. Everyone has a right to their opinions, so please do not flame or insult any user, even if you disagree with their point of view. Statements such as "how can you all think this way" or "why does everybody hate" or "you're all just jealous" are prohibited."

I think it's clearly enough.

[Routh]

Final numbers are in.

4.69 Million Viewers

It still got beat by ten other episodes this season. Nothing spectacular.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Routh
Final numbers are in.

4.69 Million Viewers

It still got beat by ten other episodes this season. Nothing spectacular.
Hmmmm, interesting. Thanks.
Wow, I am glad it didn't finish #1 this season...

A Clana wedding would've been next, no?
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[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
I thought the only reason for these sites was for fans to meet and discuss the pros and cons of SV. I for one rave when an episode is exceptional and villify with my posting when I watch a stinker. I always welcome naysayers and enjoy a lively debate.

WORD!
I do also give props when we got great heroic Clark in his way to his destiny, great evil Lex behaving like a villain and I was enjoy Lana falling into the dark side and Chlark getting closer and closer but I also hated Martha's merry widow attitude and Temp Lois liking of working out on a sport's bra while saying stupid things on the show. I'm not hater I'm a fan but that doesn't mean that I had to love everything that happens in a show even if is utter crap.

[monstra]

Im glad it went up a bit.

I think the numbers are pretty good for an episode in its third arc of the season, plus the demos were better than usually too. :)

Hopefully next week wont screw up those numbers.

ETA: no big lost in viewers from the break! thats a first since S3 i believe

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
A Clana wedding would've been next, no?
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Actually I would love that Clark and Lana got engaged and planned a wedding then in the last minute Clark will realize the crappy life that he will have with the pink squirrel and he left her on the altar...I could forget promise for that :D

[Best Episode - 321]

Routh already posted the final viewer numbers, here are the finals for the night with the main demos.

SMALLVILLE
- 4.686 million viewers
- 2.8/5 HH
- 2.0/6 A18-49
- 2.3/7 A18-34

SUPERNATURAL
- 3.524 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.4/4 A18-49
- 1.5/4 A18-34

____________________________


The CW also released a press release.


"SMALLVILLE" AND "SUPERNATURAL" TAKE IT TO THE RACK

Best Thursday of Season For The CW's Dramas in Women 18-34

"Smallville" Hits Season High in Women 18-34

"Supernatural" Scores Largest Audience Since October

March 16, 2007 (Burbank, California) - Against NCAA Basketball coverage, "Smallville" and "Supernatural" combined for The CW's best Thursday of the season among women 18-34 (2.1/6-tie) and its second best Thursday in women 18-49 (1.8/4-tie), according to preliminary live plus same day Nielsen ratings for Thursday, March 15.

"Smallville," which featured the wedding of Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) and Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum), hit a new high for the season in women 18-34 (2.5/7).

"Supernatural," with guest star Tricia Helfer ("Battlestar Galactica"), scored its largest audience (3.5mil) since Oct. 26, 2006.

_______________________________


Promise and Hydro scored similar ratings and both were the first episode after a hiatus. Too bad Combat won't approach Justice ratings this week.


Season 6 Episode Ratings

Zod......................4.96*
Sneeze.................4.52*
Wither..................4.88*
Arrow...................4.71*
Reunion...............4.79*
Fallout.................5.01*
Rage...................4.46*
Static...................4.70*
Subterranean........4.31*
Hydro..................4.68*
Justice.................5.26*
Labyrinth..............5.00*
Crimson.................4.91*
Trespass...............4.74*
Freak....................4.76*
Promise................4.69*

* - Final Rating

[dimeo782002]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I think people keep watching the show because they know it can be good.

Watching a great episode of SV is...well, great. When the writers, directors, actors, and so on get it right, watching SV can be a real joy.

So, I think most viewers of SV go into every episode hoping it will be one of the great ones. And, since most viewers aren't psycic, they won't know until they actually watch the episode. There were many times a promo made it look like an ep was going to suck when, in actuality, it was pretty good.

And, when an episode is really good, these boards light up with praise for it.

However, when an episode turns out to be disappointing, a veiwer has every right to come to a message board like this one and talk about why they were disappointed.

I don't remember seeing anywhere in the rules that posters were free to come here and talk about anything concerning SV...but only the good stuff.



ok i never said people could not speak the bad!!! the comment i originally made was in reference to people being nasty and rude to people that were happy about smallville's ratings being number one on the cw. i simply said they were number one on the cw and that should be good news to the fans and i got some real positive reply's and i said thank you because on another blog i had a person cus me out for being happy they were number one !!!!!! people have the right to voice there opinions but they don't have to curse people and call them stupid. thats why these people are saying people that are that angry maybe they don't need to watch the show. there nothing wrong with that people come here to voice there opinions and then there is people that curse you call you stupid for liking the show thats stuipid. we don't all have to agree but atleast respect people as human beings. and to everyone who has been positive about the ratings i thank you cause i truly love the show and hope that maybe the cws ratings will beat other tv networks in the future i would be so happy to see smallville out do another tv network we can hope right.



also i agree the people that get really angry watch the show for the really good episodes cause when they are hot they are hot i know thats what got me hooked so bad i went and bought all the dvd sets all at once i just started watching smallville in sept. of 2006 and after a few episodes i had to buy the whole set and catch up to season 6!!!!!!!!! the show could be better in some aspects but so could all shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[happygolucky]

A poster on TWoP said that both "Combat" and "Progeny" will be pre-empted in Chicago for the Bulls(Combat) and the Cubs(Progeny) so expect a decline for these two episodes. It especially stinks that "Progeny" will be pre-empted since it will be coming back from a four week hiatus.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Actually I would love that Clark and Lana got engaged and planned a wedding then in the last minute Clark will realize the crappy life that he will have with the pink squirrel and he left her on the altar...I could forget promise for that :D
Hehe, sounds like Smallville alright...
:D

[the highlander]

Originally posted by staph
WOW! Guys this is a reality wake up call. HELLO !!!! ANYONE HOME!!!!!!!!! The ratings for smallville suck and always have. If you guys get excited over 4 million viewers then you need to have some coffee and come back to reality. Someone mentioned that Ugly Betty is a stupid show, good point, but it had 13 million. Three times the viewers of smallville. Even a stupid show crushes Smallville. It has gotten to tell you something. It does to me. As an executive myself, I would personally fire everyone on the marketing team and the writers of smallville because they obviously have no clue on how to keep viewers tuned in. OUt of the 4 million each week only 2 or 3 are loyal fans that keep the numbers each week relatively even. The other million are different every couple of weeks or so has fans tune in to see what all the hype is about or just curiousity of what the show is about. After a 1 or 2 they realize that is sucks and tune out forever. Imagine how many viewers they could have if they never lost as many. If the writers could move the story along realistically and keep the attention of the fans. WOW! The show could be great. How sad. This show had so much potential but yet we are subjected each week to the same stupid type plots. Someone gets close to the secret then dies, amnesia, explodes, drops dead, becomes mentally retarded. Or the classic ten thousands loft scenes of LOOK me in the eyes and tell me you don't LOVE me. I mean come on that line can only be used so many times before the fans want to puke up a lung and die. These writers are so pathetic. Man let the story flow already and stop making everything so complicated and the people so retarded. Lionel puts the whole thing together in 30 seconds after seeing the letter and then the next episode he is mongolic and can't tie his own shoes. Same thing with Lana and all the other characters. HEY WRITERS here is a tip learn to write something realistic so the viewers don't change the channel. I turned this episode off and started to watch the great writing of the new shoe The Black Donnellys. This show has already accumulated more viewers and interest in 4 weeks than an entire season of smallville, By all means check the statistics out for yourselves. It is staggering to see how little a fan base smallville has. thank you WRITERS. MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know that the write of ugly betty is multi millionaire?? the original ugly betty in spanish as a first language was a hit WORLD WIDE!!!

There is a second installment of ugly betty called "la fea mas bella" or the prettiest ugly and its been a hit, even with a similar story... so wake up call... its not uncommon for it to be better than suppes.

[Mr. Wrong]

Highlander,
I echo your sentiments to a point. That point being calling the writers morons. That isn't called for IMO. SV is written primarily for teenagers and they don't tend to be as analytical as an executive such as yourself is. Being the head of a corporation myself, and an avid fan, I to am demanding of my entertainment value. Being dismissively critical isn't as productive a posting as I'm sure you are capable of presenting.IMO. Shows like Ugly Betty have a wider viewer base so naturally draw better ratings. Having taken part with this Forum for awhile now it is easy to note that one man's meat is another man's poison. In other words, some people love a particular epi. while another can't stand it and some are ambivolent. However, the concept offers an entertaining premiss that can be enjoyed by all ages. True, the writers do draw a blank in the originality department, and spend far too much time on soap suds instead of producing the action/ adventure that many of us wish for but they are the ones with their necks on the line.

[dimeo782002]

why don't you guys go make an ugly betty site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to staph why do you bother even posting on this site!!!!!!!!! you obviously are angered at the show and have hostility towards anyone else who is happy that it is number one on the cw!!!!! we are not stupid people we understand the ratings are lower than other shows but it is number one on its station so thats waht we are happy about and i don't care about other shows im here to discuss SMALLVILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! im tired of this im moving to another thread


Originally posted by the highlander
Do you know that the write of ugly betty is multi millionaire?? the original ugly betty in spanish as a first language was a hit WORLD WIDE!!!

There is a second installment of ugly betty called "la fea mas bella" or the prettiest ugly and its been a hit, even with a similar story... so wake up call... its not uncommon for it to be better than suppes.


WHATEVER WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SMALLVILLE

[monstra]

"Smallville," which featured the wedding of Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) and Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum), hit a new high for the season in women 18-34 (2.5/7), teens (2.6/9) and female teens (2.8/9).

Niiice. :D

[Jack-El49]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
No one said that was a part of the rules, so you're just starting an argument that isn't there. I and others have said it doesn't make sense to us that anyone would want to come here and whine about it, and we have just as much right to be confused by people's choice to do so as those people do to make that choice in the first place.

I always love when this argument starts, "We can talk about the bad stuff too!" No one said you couldn't, but don't expect everyone to agree with you or even agree that your arguments make sense.



Pay attention to the boards more closely. Even when an episode is outstanding, we almost always get a "worst episode ever" thread and a pretty balanced amount of "downers" with all the praise.

For those of us that like the show as it is it does get old to hear all the negativity. No one's telling anyone what they can and can't post, we are just saying it gets old, and it's nice to have people who actually like the show post once in a while, as with the exchange you saw earlier between a few of us.


Man, I couldn't have said it any better. I get frustrated with events too but to come and post in threads for no other reason than to trash every episode IS stupid. Just quit watching.


and to everyone who has been positive about the ratings i thank you cause i truly love the show and hope that maybe the cws ratings will beat other tv networks in the future i would be so happy to see smallville out do another tv network we can hope right.

I agree 100%. For most of this season, even the CW has beaten Fox every week during SV timeslot. That's why the FOX network moved Smarter than a 5th Grader against SV this past week, causing SV, Ugly Betty viewership to drop - statistically much larger percentage of viewers left UB than left SV because of either "Smarter" or the NCAA Basketball Tournament.

SV DOES beat some network shows but not everyone gets or even can find CW. I didn't get it OTA - I had to get Directv to get CW. I could get Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS over the air - just not CW. So for a small network to take on and beat Fox and even major networks sometimes during repeats, SV is doing very well and those who believe it would be killing other shows if the stories weren't "soap operas" are deluding themselves.

[ClarkyBoy14]

When an episode is pre-empted, and then aired at a later time, does the viewership for that airing count?

I agree that people can and should have their own opinions, but it seems like some people are never pleased, no matter how good an ep is. And calling the writers/producers/etc. morons and other names is rude and unacceptable.

[Mr. Wrong]

I agree calling anyone a moron is unacceptable but so is suggesting that unhappy posters should just defer from watching is also unacceptable and is against the rules as well. Many of us regular posters rave when an episode is exceptional as quickly as we rant when it is not. I'm glad so many like the show but if you want it to stay on the air then its imperative that you demand the best quality possible. Customer Service is job one for everyone in this world.

[Jack-El49]

There's no problem with complaints when they are periodic complaints. But the bile spewed by some regular posters after every episode makes many of this group wonder why they bother watching if they dislike it so much. Since SV is the highest rated show on CW, criticism of poorly conceived or directed shows is constructive. The plaintive cries of "if that happens, I'll never watch again" are mostly hyperbole because the same poster will be flaming an episode after the unpopular event occurs. It's stupid to make such remarks and buries constructive criticism of episodes under such rants.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
There's no problem with complaints when they are periodic complaints. But the bile spewed by some regular posters after every episode makes many of this group wonder why they bother watching if they dislike it so much. Since SV is the highest rated show on CW, criticism of poorly conceived or directed shows is constructive. The plaintive cries of "if that happens, I'll never watch again" are mostly hyperbole because the same poster will be flaming an episode after the unpopular event occurs. It's stupid to make such remarks and buries constructive criticism of episodes under such rants.

And the opposite the same. Therefore, there are rules. Rules that protect every single poster and their opinions.And if people followed the rules, this argument that happening wouldn't happen.

This is K-Site, a private forum opened for everyone that wants to talk about Smallville, good or bad. AND not to be told by the other posters what to do.

[Jack-El49]

No doubt about that. If I want to be told what to do, I'll just check with the wife.

I don't believe telling people they can't express an opinion is the issue. I believe people just grow tired of the posts by the same few posters who never seem to find anything enjoyable or redeeming in any episode and that tends to raise the questions, why do you watch and why do you come here? I don't believe anyone is telling anyone to leave, just questioning those who never seem to have a good comment about any episode of SV why they bother watching?

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
I don't believe telling people they can't express an opinion is the issue. I believe people just grow tired of the posts by the same few posters who never seem to find anything enjoyable or redeeming in any episode and that tends to raise the questions, why do you watch and why do you come here? I don't believe anyone is telling anyone to leave, just questioning those who never seem to have a good comment about any episode of SV why they bother watching?

But what's the point of even asking that question? Is it going to lead to discussion about the actual show? Of course not because it's not about the show. It's about some of the posters.

It's obvious that the only possible result of questions like that will be some posters (like me) defending their right to watch whatever they want, and post their opinions about it, good or bad. So why ask unless you want to stir things up?

[Mr. Wrong]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
But what's the point of even asking that question? Is it going to lead to discussion about the actual show? Of course not because it's not about the show. It's about some of the posters.

It's obvious that the only possible result of questions like that will be some posters (like me) defending their right to watch whatever they want, and post their opinions about it, good or bad. So why ask unless you want to stir things up?



Precisely put! I get equally put out when people post that they are crazy about an epi. that I feel was terribly sub-par. However I
relish the opportunity to counter their opinions with my own point of view. Some vehemence on the part of posters tends to spice up the Forum a bit. Just as long as we avoid unnecessary personal attacks and focus on the show itself. Its only human for some to rant and others to rave in a Forum such as this.

[redeem147]

I don't see how you can compare the ratings this year to last year. CW is not doing as well as WB. Last year had James Marsters, and I know a lot of people who can't stand Smallville who were watching last season for him.

As for the character focus being a factor in ratings - I know far more Lex fans than Clark fans, so a Lexcentric episode should have them watching. Then again, most of them can't stand Lana, so I guess the wedding may cancel that out as far as ratings.

Personally, I'm only interested in Lana in relation to Lex, but that's not really the point of this thread. For me it was a must watch episode.

[Jack-El49]

But what's the point of even asking that question? Is it going to lead to discussion about the actual show? Of course not because it's not about the show. It's about some of the posters.

Right - as if the same group of posters who pretty much weigh in on each episode with only "That (or SV) sucked" or "Clark's ball-less" or "Lana's a slut" adds so much to a good discussion. TPTB can really come away with some profound insight out of such meaty observations.


It's obvious that the only possible result of questions like that will be some posters (like me) defending their right to watch whatever they want, and post their opinions about it, good or bad. So why ask unless you want to stir things up?

I don't ask - I ignore them for the most part because someone who is apparently so disgusted with a series but lacks the mental capacity to change the channel and instead decides to enlighten the rest of us with his or her three-worded insights on an episode is doing little more than spamming the board in my view. I don't see that as expressing an opinion; rather an opportunity to hurl insults without reprecussions.

You have every right to state your opinion here, as do I and others and no one should deny anyone that right as long as they are within the rules of the forum. I only question the motivations of those who havde nothing good to say yet continually watch.


I get equally put out when people post that they are crazy about an epi. that I feel was terribly sub-par. However I...

Yes, Mr. W, you DISCUSS. You don't throw three-word insults at an episode, posters or reply to posts with three word or less replies. You discuss your point of view. You exchange thoughts and ideas. You put it out there to be discussed. How do you discuss, "That episode was sh*t)"?

[Timester]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
Right - as if the same group of posters who pretty much weigh in on each episode with only "That (or SV) sucked" or "Clark's ball-less" or "Lana's a slut" adds so much to a good discussion. TPTB can really come away with some profound insight out of such meaty observations.



I don't ask - I ignore them for the most part because someone who is apparently so disgusted with a series but lacks the mental capacity to change the channel and instead decides to enlighten the rest of us with his or her three-worded insights on an episode is doing little more than spamming the board in my view. I don't see that as expressing an opinion; rather an opportunity to hurl insults without reprecussions.

You have every right to state your opinion here, as do I and others and no one should deny anyone that right as long as they are within the rules of the forum. I only question the motivations of those who havde nothing good to say yet continually watch.



Yes, Mr. W, you DISCUSS. You don't throw three-word insults at an episode, posters or reply to posts with three word or less replies. You discuss your point of view. You exchange thoughts and ideas. You put it out there to be discussed. How do you discuss, "That episode was sh*t)"?

Why are we still talking about this? If you think that some posts are rude, then REPORT them and let the mods decide. But, it's not yours nor no one's else job to tell what we should do, watch or talk, not refering again that is against the rules.

[Rimmer66]

LMAO - I can't believe "Are you smarter than a 5th grade" is getting 20 million viewers.....:D :D :D

[Mr. Wrong]

Originally posted by Timester
Why are we still talking about this? If you think that some posts are rude, then REPORT them and let the mods decide. But, it's not yours nor no one's else job to tell what we should do, watch or talk, not refering again that is against the rules.




Timester,
You must realize that not everyone can articulate their opinions in a coherent fashion so they resort to using ill conceived and often inappropriate language. There is no excuse for vulgarity no matter how you disguise *t! May I suggest that you just ignore such postings as they are truly in the minority. Making note of them only serves to give them credence.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
[B]Right - as if the same group of posters who pretty much weigh in on each episode with only "That (or SV) sucked" or "Clark's ball-less" or "Lana's a slut" adds so much to a good discussion. I know. It seriously gets annoying when I come here to talk SV and every thread people are bashing the show w/ stuff like "Clark needs to grow some" and "these writers are morons" and "I cant wait til this bs show is over."

And then you cant even ask why they still watch w/o getting into trouble w/ the mods.

[Mr. Wrong]

You get in trouble with the mods because your suggestion is personal. When such posters spew venom its not directed at you. They are simply voicing their opinion. I agree that it would be easier to respect their opinion if they were less inflammatory but its just their way of putting an exclamation point on their feelings. The fact that they take the time to post suggests to me that they must be fans to a point. Otherwise they wouldn't take the time to post anything on the Forum.