Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of Promise?

[Edge]

****ing Lionel.

[dr feelgood]

i got angry while watching this episode. i was shouting like "stop the damn car clark !! punch lana !! kill lex !! rip his head off !!!"

clark kent is a superemokid. if smallville were shot in 80's he would be all about sex drugs and rock n roll. and would have guts to stop the wedding...

i hate this episode because i love it.

[cxianet]

The best part about this episode was the music; Snow Patrol rocks pretty hard.

That being said, it's pathetic what Smallville has disintegrated into.

We've all talked about bad episodes like "Ageless" and "Thirst". Why not add "Promise" to that list? Yeah; I do realize that I'm adding the episode to the list that includes Lana as a vampire and a supergrowing baby. That's how bad that I thought this episode was.

The direction was awful. I understand that they wanted to portray all the different POVs of the different characters on such an "important" episode but there's no point in having the same scene just with different camera angles. And the sad attempt to try something knew with the "Wedding Day. 11:03 AM" made my head spin and my blood boil. It was just a very, very pathetic excuse for an episode.

At least "Ageless" and "Thirst" had character continuity. Everyone in this episode was out of character; it was like watching a bunch of politicians during election time. The flip-flopping by all the characters was insane. Characters that I usually adore like AM's Chloe and AOT's Martha, but even they made me want to throw up in my mouth a little. Lionel went from good guy to bad guy (there are a couple of spoilers that might explain this later on but as of now, I'm anything but content with this). Clark returned to his whiney, Lana-is-the-only-human-on-earth state and even Shelby helping Clark with the "marriage proposal" made me want to punch a pillow.

But the biggest problem I had of all? Clana.

Is "letting go of Lana" really the most difficult thing to deal with for you, Clark?

If it is, you really don't deserve to be a human.

Personally, as a human being, I think that finding out that I was an alien would have been harder.

How about losing your baby brother in a freak accident that you know you caused?

Or having your best friend tortured and run off to Wichita because of you?

MAYBE even seeing your dad die because you had to save your ex-girlfriend who had to run off to go see your ex-BFF who has feelings for her and not only see him but also flaunt her new ring and on a night that he was already broken because of losing an election?

AlMiles just have this fixation on Lana that won't seem to go away.

In fact, someone counted all the minutes that each character got on screen last night and Lana got more than Clark or Lex or Chloe and Shelby combined.

I propose that we have KK direct/write an episode. Hell, just have her take over the entire show. She's said in the past that she's tired of the stuff that AlMiles write (like "Thirst"). I think we'd actually get a Lana that's bearable if not likable.

On the bright side, I can see this as some closure to Lana. Maybe AlMiles just wanted one last Clana kiss before they ended it forever. However, judging from all the stuff that the doctor said, I don't think that's going to happen. :(

On the even brighter side, I think next week's episode won't be as painful to watch, especially if Lana is gone for her honeymoon.

Last week's episode was just so unbearably bad.

Let's never have something like that happen again, okay?

EDIT:

Side note: AlMiles, are you satisfied now? Are you happy that you've made me hate a Chloe/Clark scene?

EDIT number two:

Can the season finale have the tagline "Abandon the former cheerleader and her pathetic love life, save the world/Xia's sanity"?

[coasterprincess]

[i]Originally posted by cxianet
EDIT number two:

Can the season finale have the tagline "Abandon the former cheerleader and her pathetic love life, save the world/Xia's sanity"?

hahaha....wow I usually don't comment on what other's think (after already throwing my own 2 cents in)...but that really made me laugh.

[cxianet]

ONE MORE THING.

I feel like the uncle in the old WB Jackie Chan show but I feel this is necessary to mention.

Bring back Lex.

Otherwise I will have to pull a Sheriff Lamb:

"Go see the Wizard and ask him for some guts"

[__jb]

Originally posted by Mac-Chops
Don't see how Lana just believed there and then that Lionel could/would kill Clark.. Lana knows that the chisel didn't hurt Clark, yet he lay screaming on the floor in Crimson. She knows something can hurt him.


Originally posted by cxianet
Personally, as a human being, I think that finding out that I was an alien would have been harder. That's pretty funny...

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by __jb
Lana knows that the chisel didn't hurt Clark, yet he lay screaming on the floor in Crimson. She knows something can hurt him.
I know. She's seen him sick before. She's seen him bleeding before. She's seen him die before. She doesn't know everything about him. If she just asked/talked to him like any normal person would have done, they would have worked something out. But instead, since Lana's character has been to horribly written, they take any chance they get to make her look like the little innocent martyr who saves Clark's life.

[Imzadia]

I gave "Promise" an 8 out of 10! It was an emotionally powerful episode. I'm still sad every time I think about it and it's been 4 days. I was a bit surprised by the SFX blooper in the 2nd scene in the Luthor wine cellar after Chloe and Clark's conversation, and Lana's covert presence, when Clark was supposed to leave and superspeed into a blur...he just turned his back and disappeared. If it was supposed to look like that to Lana, it seemed like a mistake to me. Also, as the story was told, I didn't quite understand how Lionel arrived at the conclusion that Lana knew what Clark's secret is simply because she wanted to back out of marrying Lex. So, for those reasons I couldn't give it a 10. [I just feel so sad for Clark and Lana, and I'm not a Clana fan. I just thought of it as it fits in the Real World and how sometimes teenagers really DO fall in love and it's for life. Of course, we all know that Clark and Lana were never meant to stay together, so these events helped to move their story along the way it's supposd to.] :(

[MackLove]

I think I was generous in giving it a 7. I don't know what I expected, but for some reason I felt like this should/could/would have been one of the best, if not the best, eps of the season.

I guess all in all the ep was about Lexana. I don't like Lexana, but because I think that they are not going to end up together, it's kinda like watching a tragedy, a good tragedy at that. Lex really loves her. She really didnt want to go through with it. If they don't make it, he's gonna go nuts.

You know what? I think Lex Luthor may end up being an evil guy.

[Mr. Wrong]

Imzadia,
I'm surprised you rated Promise so highly. Every character was a disappointment.IMO . I am not a Clana fan either and I agree that teenagers do fall in love for life in reality. However, this episode left a nasty taste in my mouth. Yes, it was filled with emotional moments but all of them were negative leaving the viewers feeling sorry for everyone. The writing was syrupy and inplausible IMO. The best special effect was CK throwing the picture out into oblivion. That was the high point. All of that nonsense in the wine cellar was pure drivel. Not an ounce of originality and loaded with plot errors and technical mistakes. Your point regarding Lionel was just another example of the improbabilities in the story. My gut tells me that you rated it so highly because, being a purest like myself, you applaud anything that leads back to the true course of the saga. However, all that I saw was another plot twist that plants Lana as the damsel in distress that CK is going to have to try and rescue. That wouldn't be so bad if this was just another soap opera but I've grown to expect more from SV. The only positive moment in the epi. was Lionel outing himself. Proof positive that he is not long for the show. Otherwise, everyone else let me down. Everyone was telling Clana to move on and get over it and then telling them to follow their hearts. Meanwhile CK is dreaming of murdering Lex by running him through from behind. What's with that? How cowardly can you get? We see CK run the gamut of emotions in this one and TPTB leave him a broken and beaten less than superhero. I don't want to see this from him. I want an uplifting, life affirming episode after having waited through the month long hiatus. The smart format would have been to start the epi. with the marriage going through leaving CK down and out but allow him to redeem his hero status in the end like Chloe suggested.IMO

[98chase]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
Yes, it was filled with emotional moments but all of them were negative leaving the viewers feeling sorry for everyone.
Just a question here. If the show was able to make you have such an emotional reaction, wouldn't that make it a good episode? I'm not talking about your personal opinions/feelings about Lex marrying Lana or Clark still being in love with Lana. I'm talking about the episode itself. Some of us might not like the events that took place, but that does not mean that it was a bad episode, just my opinion of course.

[BULLITT]

Clark comes across as a sad sack - yet again.

Chloe's preaching is beyond tiresome.

Oh look it's Lana conflicted - predictable and lame.

Lex has a weakness - could be an interesting way to advance the shows plot.

Poor Martha, since they've killed off her husband, she's become as relevant as a Christmas ornament in May.

Lionel - you're the one saving grace of this predictable and unoriginal story. Evil Lionel is > than milk toast evil Lex.

[Sweetie]

What was that???I didn't recognise any of those characters...Lex needs daddy to get the girl & to erase a murder,Martha acts like she didn't care for her son,Chloé cares about Lana suddenly and on her wedding day and why did she call Clark to come to the rescue in the Luthor's mansion with all cameras in there?Could call Lois,Jimmy or anybody else?Clark moping and pinning again nothing new there but,kissing a pregnant woman on her wedding day is way over the line & Lana,she deserves all the crap she is in right now.Everybody warned you about Lex before and she didn't listen now she has to deal with the choice that she made for once.What angry me the most is she is probably become the poor victim in all this as asual.Lionel,you are my hero.You evil bastard :)

[Absolute Kingdom]

I was wondering if it was mentioned before, if it was, then sorry for bringing it up again. Did you guys noticed that the wine cellar scene from Clark/Chloe's POV and from Lana's POV was not entirely the same? It was acted differently, the lines were different ... For example: the second time around (Lana's POV) Chloe talked about kryptonite, but not the first time around. Also Clark's line when he superspeeds away from Chloe was not the same.

I was trying to understand if this was done on purpose, but I can't come up with a logical answer.

[98chase]

The differences in script I can not explain. An editing error? As far as Clark superspeeding away. The first time we saw it, we saw it as viewers. We saw the blur as he left. The second view (Lana's) was how it would look if you were actually there. In "reality" (lol) you would not see a blur. Clark would leave at such a speed that he would seemingly disappear.

[KrazyKid]

the clana soap may finally rest its weary soul

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by 98chase
Clark would leave at such a speed that he would seemingly disappear.

Oh yeah, but I wasn't talking about the special effect. I was talking about his line before he superspeeds away.

I don't think it was a difference in script, I think that they shot the same scene two times. Its not a big deal anyway, I thought I'd just throw it it out there.

[98chase]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Also Clark's line when he superspeeds away from Chloe was not the same.

Oh, sorry. I didn't read that word the first time around, which is why I was talking about the differences in Clark superspeeding away.

[magoo]

The board seems very split over this one, guess you either liked it or disliked it.

I gave it 8/10. I thought the over all style was quite innovative and it had a maturity i can't recall seeing before in the show. Whether this was down to Michaels direction or not i'm not sure.

Good to see two major events take place. Lana's finding out the secret and the fact that Lionel is still evil. One just wonders what plans he has up his sleeve regarding Clark...

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by magoo
I thought the over all style was quite innovative and it had a maturity i can't recall seeing before in the show.
But that's the strange thing: while the epi might have appeared mature, Clark's behavior was anything but.

The man is almost 20 years old, and still as immature as a 12-year old.

[magoo]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
But that's the strange thing: while the epi might have appeared mature, Clark's behavior was anything but.

The man is almost 20 years old, and still as immature as a 12-year old.

In what respect? Some might say that finally following his heart and deciding to open up to Lana, although he never had the chance to get that far, was the mature thing to do.... ?

[ladylore]

I loved this episode. It made me jump (Lex's nightmare about the baby), it made me applaud (when Lana finally discovers Clark's secret), it made me angry (when Lana said "I Do") and it made me cry (Clark's look at the end).

This was the best episode this season for me, second only to Hydro which I really enjoyed.

I know that this story is straying very far away from the original storyline in the Superman comic books. But I may be one of those rare Superman fans who loves Superman but feels that the original storyline is in desparate need of some modernization and revamping anyways. I never understood why a pair of glasses and a suit and tie made Clark Kent unrecognizeable as Superman, or why Lex's girlfriend Kitty (or whatever her name is) always was sympathetic to Superman and got in the way of Lex's evil plot to destroy him.

I think the story would be a lot more interesting and believable if Lex Luthor DOES recognize Superman as Clark Kent, and thus has a logical and emotional reason for his hate of Superman. I would LOVE to see a story where Lex's woman is sympathetic towards Superman because he was her childhoood/early adulthood sweetheart.

Personally, I love it.

[marrymelana]

clark is a big boy and and can take care of himself so lana should have done what she really wanted to do. lex would have let her walk away if she wanted to he would be more upset when he finds out why she went through with it.

[Mr. Wrong]

I understand your sentiment Ladylore. You loved the epi. and you took the time to express why so you should be applauded. I totally disagree with your analysis but that's why this Forum is here isn't it. The one problem with veering away from a winning formula like the original supe saga is that its like trying to re-invent the wheel. Sure you can bring SV into the 21st century but messing with the tried and true is a surefire way to crash and burn. Superman of the comics is the most beloved fictional hero in North America and has been for over 50 years. Like Coke Cola, when they tried to make New Coke they lost millions! Traditionalists hate unnecessary change. Most successful shows find a formula that works and stick with it. Fans like myself have high expectations of SV. One of them is that I don't like seeing my hero being such a loser!

[bball44j]

I can see that some people didn't like this episode, but a 1!! So you're saying that this is the worst Smallville episode ever!! For some people this episode might of been bad but it doesn't deserve a 1!!

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by bball44j
I can see that some people didn't like this episode, but a 1!! So you're saying that this is the worst Smallville episode ever!! For some people this episode might of been bad but it doesn't deserve a 1!!

oh yes it did. if i could have given it a zero i would have and it all rested on the deciding factor that lana made. if she would have said screw you mr luthor im not going through with it and walked out i would have given it a 10 but she cracked and gave in. she gave in to the luthors like everyone else in the town except the kents. come on lana you know your boyfriend could survive almost everything and all the times he has saved you and took a stand for you and his love for you stand up for your love for him. that was the deciding factor. it is either a pass or fail and it failed because she gave in to the luthors plain and simple.

[scofield]

This episode sucks, really bad.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by magoo
In what respect? Some might say that finally following his heart and deciding to open up to Lana, although he never had the chance to get that far, was the mature thing to do.... ?
Thinking he could not open up was immature in itself, IMO.

[redkrypclark]

ok or me personally i can agree with alot of the things said here. i think this was the best episode of the season and is one of my favorites from a pure episode standpoint. however i can agree with some of the people who didnt like the regression of clark in this episode and how that can effect his character for the remainder of the season. i too sorta missed that confident i dont need her attitude, but then again i have always liked lana. i am mostly interested to see what happens between the two in the long run. the two producers have made it quite clear that this show is not based off the movies so we could have some differences.

[Mr. Wrong]

I don't believe there has ever been an epi of SV that was so devisive. There seem to be a few people who liked it very much, but the majority of the posters hated it as much as I did. Promise left a very bad taste in my mouth. I tend to judge an epi by how quickly I'm willing to watch it repeated on a different satellite channel throughout the week. I had that opportunity about 4 times since last thursday yet I quickly turned the channel cringing at the thought of being subjected to another hour of a show that should have been titled Broken Promise! I realize TPTB are trying to be creative but they have left me thinking that I just sat through Rosanne Barr's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner all over again. I'm sorry but Clana should have been dead a long time ago IMO. Both characters deserve better than how they are being written at this time. I may be dreaming but I've got high hopes that the ship can be righted before the season's end. This could come about only if TPTB care enough about their fans to review this Forum on a regular basis to get our input. When posters dislike an epi so much that they can't even list all of its flaws without writing a book, TPTB should realise they are on thin ice with their fans.

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
When posters dislike an epi so much that they can't even list all of its flaws without writing a book, TPTB should realise they are on thin ice with their fans.

its not that the writers are on thin ice with the viewers. i believe they know what they are doing. they have to keep us entertained because if lana always chose clark then it would have went off after the second season, but with me as a HUGE lana lang fanatic. (i love her) i just cant stand to see her with lex. the only time i liked seeing them together was in season 5 epi Lexmas when he was good. i understand on the writer stand point they have to keep it exciting but all the rumors that i heard on kryptonsite.com says there probably wasn't going to be a marriage. i guess why they are rumors and not facts though. i will still continue to watch until the last epi is aired i own all 5 seasons on dvd that are out and will buy the remainder of them. i love the show and i love lana even if she is married to a cue ball.

[cxianet]

Originally posted by bball44j
I can see that some people didn't like this episode, but a 1!! So you're saying that this is the worst Smallville episode ever!! For some people this episode might of been bad but it doesn't deserve a 1!!

Yes, it does.

It may not have been the worst (although I would definitely put it in that category), but it definitely deserves a "1".

Plus, it's my 1 to give. :lol:

[tibbit78]

I wish Lionel Luthor spoke to Lana like this (instead of threatening her):

Lionel Luthor (to Lana Lang): "You know Clark's secret, don't you? Well, so do I! Much as I hate to say this, Clark Kent isn't meant to be with you. He belongs to the world. His future destiny is too great, so great, that it will be hard for you to comprehend. One day you will understand when he will become the man he is meant to be: The future Superman."

This would have made a far more interesting story, if Lionel spoke like this to Lana. I was hoping that he stayed nice permanently. Although it was very interesting when he brought up Clark's secret to Lana. I cried when I watched Promise. Kristin Kreuk made me cry when she broke down and cried (she is a superb actress). Clark made me cry, too, when he kept begging Lana to break up with Lex and go with him. The sad look in Tom's eyes made me feel sorry for him. I wish they never cut out this part "from the director's cut." Clark: "Lana, I can't let you do this." There was sadness in Tom Welling's voice when he said this, and he did an excellent job saying that. They should never have cut that scene out.

I loved the scene with Clark and Shelby when Clark pretended to propose to him (actually he was just practicing). It was hilarious. I really like John Glover's acting ability, and I hope that Lionel Luthor will change and be for Clark instead of against him. Most people say that maybe Lionel was protecting Clark. I'm hoping he is. Otherwise, the show was okay. I didn't give it a 10, I gave it a 4.9.

[Jack-El49]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
I don't believe there has ever been an epi of SV that was so devisive. There seem to be a few people who liked it very much, but the majority of the posters hated it as much as I did. Promise left a very bad taste in my mouth. I tend to judge an epi by how quickly I'm willing to watch it repeated on a different satellite channel throughout the week. I had that opportunity about 4 times since last thursday yet I quickly turned the channel cringing at the thought of being subjected to another hour of a show that should have been titled Broken Promise! I realize TPTB are trying to be creative but they have left me thinking that I just sat through Rosanne Barr's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner all over again. I'm sorry but Clana should have been dead a long time ago IMO. Both characters deserve better than how they are being written at this time. I may be dreaming but I've got high hopes that the ship can be righted before the season's end. This could come about only if TPTB care enough about their fans to review this Forum on a regular basis to get our input. When posters dislike an epi so much that they can't even list all of its flaws without writing a book, TPTB should realise they are on thin ice with their fans.

It appears from the poll that your statistics are incorrect. About 70% gave it a rating of 6 to 10. 5.2% found it neutral (a 5 rating) and about 25% gave it a 1 to 4 rating. That says the majority by almost 3 to 1 favored the show.

It was divisive on many levels, I think. And I agree that the powers that be should always pay attention to what the viewers think and want - I've said that for almost 2 years on this board. I hope tptb can right the ship in a way that you enjoy it as well as I. I did not want to see a Lexana marriage but I gave the episode a 10 because I think it was really a well-done episode. I don't always have to like what's happening but I enjoy a good story whether it turns out the way I want it to or not. And I believe that the events that I don't like - such as the Lexana wedding - may turn out to be key to an event that later occurs that I have been waiting to see for a long time.

I sort of look at it like the NFL draft. People praise teams for certain picks and dissent at other but the real measure of a good draft can only be determined after they play the game. I think once we get to the endgame of SV, a lot of the things we question may just serve a purpose in the end.

[EnDo]

man...i wasnt surprised at all, but i was definitely rooting for clana. but ive read the comics so i knew where this was going before it started. thats the rough part. the more you relate to the characters, the harder it is seein them go through struggles. it was a great episode no doubt, but i just hated where it was going >)

[chubbibunni]

This was probably the best and worst Smallville episode ever...damn Lana and her vulnerability. I'm still rooting for the Clana thing...

[Mr. Wrong]

The epi. was one of the 3 worst IMO. The performances were good and there were some unexpected plot twists and revelations but when an epi leaves an audience feeling disappointed about all of the characters it has failed to be entertaining. IMHO

[98chase]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
The epi. was one of the 3 worst IMO. The performances were good and there were some unexpected plot twists and revelations but when an epi leaves an audience feeling disappointed about all of the characters it has failed to be entertaining. IMHO
Your use of "audience" is fairly vague. As someone pointed out in the "Rate Promise" thread, majority of the people liked this episode (rated it 6 - 10). Yeah, the episode did leave some people disappointed, but you can not please everyone.

[Mr. Wrong]

Originally posted by 98chase
Your use of "audience" is fairly vague. As someone pointed out in the "Rate Promise" thread, majority of the people liked this episode (rated it 6 - 10). Yeah, the episode did leave some people disappointed, but you can not please everyone.



Well, since I did not say the whole audience, I fail to see what is vague about my statement. I read that the ratings were more like 50/50. In fact roughly half of the audience thought that the epi. blew chunks I believe is the way they put it. IMHO you are right in saying that you can't please everyone however I can guarantee that I could list at least a dozen reasons why this epi was bad.IMO. On the flip side, I always rave about an epi when I think it is exceptional, and have on many occasions. I'm afraid even a 6 out of 10 is well below par for an SV epi. IMHO

[98chase]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
Well, since I did not say the whole audience, I fail to see what is vague about my statement. I read that the ratings were more like 50/50. In fact roughly half of the audience thought that the epi. blew chunks I believe is the way they put it. IMHO you are right in saying that you can't please everyone however I can guarantee that I could list at least a dozen reasons why this epi was bad.IMO. On the flip side, I always rave about an epi when I think it is exceptional, and have on many occasions. I'm afraid even a 6 out of 10 is well below par for an SV epi. IMHO
Look, I didn't mean to step on your toes. I can see by your post that I got under your skin.

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
but when an epi leaves an audience feeling disappointed
But, that is what you said. "An Audience" refers to THE audience, which happens to be a vague statement, as I previously said.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by 98chase
But, that is what you said. "An Audience" refers to THE audience, which happens to be a vague statement, as I previously said.
An audience does not refer to the entire audience. He said "an audience," not "the audience." There's a big difference there. An audience can be as little as the people that watch the show in his house. The audience would refer to everyone.

Small words, big difference IMO.

[98chase]

VAGUE


Originally posted by 98chase
Your use of "audience" is fairly vague. As someone pointed out in the "Rate Promise" thread, majority of the people liked this episode (rated it 6 - 10). Yeah, the episode did leave some people disappointed, but you can not please everyone.

Originally posted by 98chase
Look, I didn't mean to step on your toes. I can see by your post that I got under your skin.

But, that is what you said. "An Audience" refers to THE audience, which happens to be a vague statement, as I previously said.


Originally posted by Raging Clue
An audience does not refer to the entire audience. He said "an audience," not "the audience." There's a big difference there. An audience can be as little as the people that watch the show in his house. The audience would refer to everyone.

Small words, big difference IMO.
True, maybe I shouldn't have used "THE AUDIENCE" there. My fault, I apologize. However, that does not change the point I was trying to make.

VAGUE

[Raging Clue]

I think you need to chill a little. There's a thing called over analyzing. It's just a post on a website, not a law or constitution.

[mattie g]

Originally posted by Jack-El49
It was divisive on many levels, I think. And I agree that the powers that be should always pay attention to what the viewers think and want - I've said that for almost 2 years on this board. I hope tptb can right the ship in a way that you enjoy it as well as I. I did not want to see a Lexana marriage but I gave the episode a 10 because I think it was really a well-done episode. I don't always have to like what's happening but I enjoy a good story whether it turns out the way I want it to or not. And I believe that the events that I don't like - such as the Lexana wedding - may turn out to be key to an event that later occurs that I have been waiting to see for a long time.


See...you had to go and inject maturity into this thread. Now it's ruined!

;)

I happen to agree with you. The episode was really well done - in fact, one of the best-done episodes in all seasons. It'll be interesting to see what comes of this over the rest of this season and into the next.

[Khyla]

Originally posted by 98chase
Your use of "audience" is fairly vague. As someone pointed out in the "Rate Promise" thread, majority of the people liked this episode (rated it 6 - 10). Yeah, the episode did leave some people disappointed, but you can not please everyone. i would go even further and say that according to this poll the majority of the audience felt somewhat disappointed, that it left something to be desired, that they felt some kind of dissatisfaction. Whereas only 29.83% were completely satisfied with it. compare it to the polls for other episodes.

I don't know how anyone can actually applaud the execution of this epi.

It was neither well planned, nor well executed, nor well-edited. ( and to say it was comparable to "Pulp Fiction", as someone here has, is sacriledge!)

It was the most wrought with holes, stuffed with filler, and put together as though they were scambling for something/anything to fill up the time with.

Maybe if they had condensed it to a half-hour program it would have come off as a more pleasing production.

It actually made me feel embarressed that i have given this show my praise in the past. :( Sorry.

(I prefer to pretend this farce never happened, laugh it off, and move on from there.)

[Mr. Wrong]

Originally posted by 98chase
VAGUE





True, maybe I shouldn't have used "THE AUDIENCE" there. My fault, I apologize. However, that does not change the point I was trying to make.

VAGUE


I wasn't put out by you posting so there is no need to apologize. Indeed, I was confused by your referring that my statement was vague. In what way? Simply put less than 30% of the whole polling audience loved this epi. SV is one of my favorite shows so when I can't watch an epi. and go away feeling glad that I'm a fan, I talk about it on this Forum. I am a bit perplexed that anyone thought that this was a great epi. Perhaps its because they felt that so much came to a resounding head. I guess from that POV I can understand, however, I don't so easily dismiss the total lack of originality, plausibility, or continuity in this epi. There was just far too much room for improvement IMHO. Promise didn't leave me with the warm and fuzzies, it left me cringing. Life does that enough as it is. I don't want it from my entertainment as well!

[blackcelebration]

Having had a week to watch it a few times I've decided to give Promise my final mark.

THE GOOD

Great structure, how the episode interwined between three characters point of view (Clark, Lex, Lana) was very impressive.

Lionel Luthor, the MB back in all his glory. Like how he was able to manipulate Lana into admitting that she knew Clark's secret.

Lana finding out was cool too, good to see that she used a cunning plan to trick both Clark & Chloe (But how stupid was Chloe??) Actually one of the best Lana based episodes for a long time!!!

Clark was ok although obviously upset he didn't do anything too embarrasing. Although his proposal to Shelby was funny.

THE BAD

Out of character-

CHLOE- What she said to Clark about needing to swoop in a save Lana was completely out of character because before the wedding she was telling Clark that he needed to move on. I felt this was only done to support this story. Poor Writing IMHO.

MARTHA- Again another character who in previous episodes has been telling Clark to move on from Lana yet (because it's in the script) she decides to tell Clark to reveal all to Lana (Lana a pregnent woman who's getting married)

THE UGLY

Another piece of bad writing IMHO is when Chloe calls Clark to rescue her from the cellar when Lana asked her to get Lex's wedding present that was from Lana. Why didn't Chloe bang the wine cellar door like crazy...??? Also why not as Lana was not available call Martha or even Lex (to make him aware that Chloe is trapped with his present & make sure that he tells someone to tell Lana).

But instead she decides to call Clark even though she knows that he is not allowed at the Luthor mansion this again was just to serve the story & was 2000% out of character!!!

LANA THE VICTIM-
Hate how they're trying to make Lana seem the victim. She is just as responsible as Lex because she decided against the advice of Chloe to get in a relationship with Lex & she also decided to move in with him & to have sex with him... Yet now we are led to believe that she is 100% a victim.

CONCLUSION

Good episode but some characters acting out of character just to serve the story was really annoying. As a seperate episode by itself perhaps the best Smallville episode for a long time but considering the episodes before were building up to this then it prooves dissapointing because of very sloppy writing.

FINAL SAY & GRADE-
Do the writers actually have a meeting about each episode???

6/10

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by lanekent08
It was a surprising episode to me... I never expected Lana to learn Clark's secret that way.... I hated that she broke his heart (once again), I'm not a Clana Fan... now Clark's gonna be depressed and I hate seeing him that way. Thank God Lois is back next week and there will be some action to bring him down to earth.
I really hope Clark MOVES ON now... he's still expecting something that will never happen... Lana's not the one for him... let him open his eyes onece and for all... he's not in love with her, he's obsessed about her.
And I'm sure that some of you agree with me too!

DITTO!! ;)

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by bigv
Script error:
The first time around it was "If you don't know that then maybe you don't know me as well as I thought you did."
Second time around: "If you don't know that then maybe you don't know me at all."
Pay attention Al Gough and Miles Millar!

:eek: I noticed/caught that, too, and had a problem with it. Also, the first time around in the wine cellar, Clark superspeeded away when he'd finished talking to Chloe. The second time around, Clark turned around to leave and just vanished instead where he stood. The wind still blew Chloe's hair up like the first time, but it was too big a 'mistake?' to miss...I don't know. Maybe it was because it was from Lana's POV. ;) :confused:


Originally posted by friday
I was prepared to hate "Promise" but this is what "Reckoning" should have been....move the storyline forward instead of the copout we got in the 100th episode.

:eek: :( IS THAT HOW YOU 'REALLY' FEEL ABOUT "RECKONING"? OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVEN'T YET LOST ANYONE CLOSE TO YOU. IF YOU DIDN'T FEEL ANY OF THE SHOCK, LOSS, OR GRIEF OF THAT WELL-WRITTEN EPISODE, THEN YOU'VE GOT A HARDENED HEART! :o TOO BAD...:\


Originally posted by udtiger
Definite polarization with this episode.

Put me in the "loved it" column with a solid "9".

I have said before, you NEVER forget your first love. This was an excellent romantic tragedy.

I like that Lana now knows about 95% of the story (with the alien part being the big omission [and considering she knows Clark is "good", I really don't think it makes that much of a difference]). I am really looking forward to the "reveal" about Lionel's motives (and it almost certainly will coincide with his demise).

The "friendship" between Lana and Clark is now firmly established. Because she married lex (for however long that lasts), and the circumstance by which it happened, while the love will still be there, the "romantic" attachment will be gone.

One final point, most of the people who blast this episode (and others like it) do so because they look at Clark through the prism of KNOWING he will become Superman someday. 20/20 hindsight is wonderful, but that is not the case here. He's not Superman yet. He's only 21 years old and is still trying to figure out who he is. Think about it, when you were 21, did you have all your **** figured out? Then why should he?

;) You've made some very good points, and I agree with you. We must remember that Clark has been growing up and responded, for the most part, as most adolescents would emotionally... except Clark has all this underlying baggage to carry. His parents kept him morally grounded and helped him to see the enormous responsibility he had because of his abilities. However, Clark was 16 at the end of Season 2 when he ran away to Metropolis under the influence of Red K, and when his 'impostor' cousin was sent by Jor-El to lure Clark into his care at the end of Season 3, Jonathan told him that he was just a 17 year old boy; then at the beginning of "Hidden", S5-3, when Clark & Lana had spent the night together and were caught sneaking out by his parents, Clark reminded his dad that he was 18, and he and Lana had made that decision together. So, since Clark's birthday is in early May, he was 19 at the end of Season 5 and will only be 20 by the end of this season. Okay, I know it seems picky, but being 21 is a big deal. Clark won't get there until the end of the series/Season 7, probably. :\ ...but, ;) with Clark, it's like that old saying, "It's not the years, but the mileage". He's still so young, but has had a LOT of growing up to do. We also should remember, that Clark blames himself for so many problems that have been caused by the people who were infected by the meteors and tries to fix everything and not always successfully. Again, :\ I would think he already has way too much going on to consider getting married at such a young age. :confused:


Originally posted by Jlvsclrk
It surprised me for sure. After my first watching, I would have given it an 8. Second watching, bumped it to a 10: all the pieces fell into place.

I love the symmetry between this episode and Reckoning, and knew reaction to this episode would be mixed for the same reasons that one was. But getting back to the symmetyr: In Reckoning, he told her his secret and she died that same day. Here, he would have told her his secret [but didn't need to since she'd already found out] and she gets blackmailed into doing something extremely hazardous to her long term safety as a result. On the Lexana front, I keep wondering how she'll get out of it without dying, given the depth of Lex's obsession. Well, maybe now that he's got her, he'll grow tired of it, because so much of his interest is one upmanship. Interesting days to come!

The last scene between Clark and Lana was heartbreaking. I loved the catch in Lana's voice as she tried to say "My feelings have changed." When Clark said the same in Reckoning, it was a steely delivery and she reacted with anger. On the receiving end, Clark knows that he's being lied to and is bewildered and hurt, but knows there's more to the story.

On the Lana front, I know a lot of y'all find it tiresome and you think he should be able to move on. But I can't say I've ever broken up with someone for his reasons so I can see why he finds it so hard. For one, he feels responsible for the fact that she turned to Lex. More importantly, he never stopped loving her, he just felt their relationship could never work. And I must say I think that he's right because Lana doesn't seem to be able to handle the consequences of his secret well. From my POV, the ineffectiveness of Lana's reaction, the way she allows herself to become the victim, shows why Clana was doomed from the start. How does she think she's protecting Clark by giving into Lionel's blackmail?


Although he's not above the thrill of rescuing the damsel in distress, Clark needs a partner who can carry her weight in situations like these. Can you imagine Lois' reaction if the MB confronted her the same way? :lol: ;)
EXACTLY!! Lois, equipped with the info. Lana has, would've taken Lionel out right then and there, tied him up and gagged him, then called Clark to come and make Lionel answer for his threats...or something like that! :rotfl:


Originally posted by jack1487
Both Lex and Lois were in Smallville and since Lana and Clark where boy and girl friend during high school (check out "issue #161 for Lois's visit I will tried to find the issue # for Lex and post it), they would know each other at least for a short time.

I like others liked and disliked parts of this episode but have given it a 10 as I thought that the actors gave some great performances. The thing that stands in my mind is how in the he** does Lionel find out about all of the stuff that he seems to know. And in fact is he trying to keep Clark out of danger or put him there?????

We all know that Lana and Clark will not be together since she is destined to be with Pete Ross and Lois to Clark. I feel that the writers are taking us in the right direction even if it is with some side shows along the way.

I myself have been a Superman fan for the last 60 plus years and have seemed most of the incarnations of how writers have taken this myth and have given or taken away some of his personally so what the writers are doing does not surprise me in fact I expect that to happen. Any how that’s my 2 cents….

Take care,

Jack

:cool: Hey, Jack! You know some Superman Stuff!! :eek: ;) I love it. ...And, You sure told him. :D You Go, Boy!! :rotfl:


Originally posted by Cyn
It was absolutely dreadful. I never thought I'd see the day that I could ever dislike Clark Kent, but it has happened. There is no way that such a pathetic wuss can become Superman. He needs to cry a river, grow a pair, build a bridge and get over his whiney self and his obsession with Lana. Lana is like Pink Kryptonite. It won't kill Clark, but it makes him so pathetic that I wish it would.

The only way I can respond to that is, "YES!"

Also, what's up with Martha & Chloe? Martha is suddenly telling Clark to reveal his secret to Lana after telling Clark to let it go a couple of episodes ago. That was very out of character. As for Chloe, why can't she try to save Lana from the monster she is about to marry. All she'd have to do is say "Lex is evil. Let me tell you what I've found out.". Lana will definitely feel betrayed by her silence once she fully realize how evil Lex truly is.

By the end of the episode, I wanted to *****slap each and every one of the characters with the exception of Lionel. Go Lionel!

3 things I did like about this episode:

1. TW in a tux. He should be required to always wear that.
2. Lana's Wedding Gown. It was gorgeous.
3. Shelby. He was so adorable. :\ :p :rotfl: :rotfl:

To "Mr. Wrong":
I have to admit, you made me laugh. : ) I agree with all the points you made, however, I'm just 'easy' when it comes to anything Superman/Clark Kent. It could be a 'girlie' thing, maybe. It was an emotion-packed story. Although, I do admit that I am an optimist, so I always hope for and expect, and often find, something good to cheer about an episode...That's minus the handful I Really didn't like. I really believe that the producers and writing staff are doing the best that they can. I'm sure they want their jobs to last as long as possible, and I want Smallville to go on as long as possible... as long as it doesn't become ridiculous. Each episode is Not the Perfection we all hope for with each new episode, but what they create is some of the best on TV today. My opinion is all I can contribute after all. So far, I'm still having fun with it. : D

I just want to apologize to everyone in this Forum. I'm so sorry for this Posting Back-up of mine. It's been a whole week since I've been here, so I wanted to join in and respond to so many of you. I didn't realize that every response would be posted back-t0-back like this. Sorry, again. : (

[Mr. Wrong]

Hi Imzadia,
I love most things Superman/Clark Kent also but found Promise to be terribly flawed IMHO. All of the characters were out of wack! Even though Lionel finally outed himself for the villain he truly is, we have never seen him be that completely blunt. His threats are generally veiled enough to avoid culpability. This is an obvious set up that will lead to Lionel's imminent demise I'm sure. Still, I disliked the format, character development and over all direction of this episode. The last episode that I've seen that was on a par with Promise was Hypnotic. They both remind me of that little boy in the commercial at his birthday awaiting his cake, only to discover that it is actually made up of vegetables. The look that he has on his face was exactly like mine after viewing Promise.

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
Hi Imzadia,
I love most things Superman/Clark Kent also but found Promise to be terribly flawed IMHO. All of the characters were out of wack! Even though Lionel finally outed himself for the villain he truly is, we have never seen him be that completely blunt. His threats are generally veiled enough to avoid culpability. This is an obvious set up that will lead to Lionel's imminent demise I'm sure. Still, I disliked the format, character development and over all direction of this episode. The last episode that I've seen that was on a par with Promise was Hypnotic. They both remind me of that little boy in the commercial at his birthday awaiting his cake, only to discover that it is actually made up of vegetables. The look that he has on his face was exactly like mine after viewing Promise.

so yeah that pretty much describes the way i felt about the epi as well.

[Imzadia]

:rotfl: Mr. Wrong,...
:lol: You are SO ENTITLED to how you feel about "Promise". You literally make me Laugh Out Loud! ...AND You, Mr. "marrymelana", are like his 'sidekick' standing next to him grinning & nodding yes. :rotfl: OK!! The episode Still moved me emotionally. Us emotional Girls put a lot of value in that. Evoking any emotion, except disgust & apathy, makes it important to me. :\ ;)

[Mr. Wrong]

Hi Imzadia,
I guess that was the problem for me. I felt disgusted by the emotional rollercoaster and thought most of the cast were wishy washy or apathetic if you will IMO. Otherwise I enjoy a tear jerker once and awhile myself. I tend to get vehement when an episode leaves love so beaten and trambled. However, having watched Combat 5 or 6 times now I have to admit that without a downer like Promise, CK could never have summoned up enough furry to properly cope with the likes of Titan. Unfortunately IMHO, by the end of the epi. TPTB make sure his heart is back on his sleeve. Love your input gal, keep it up! Where oh where is George Reeves when we need him.LOL

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by Imzadia
:rotfl: Mr. Wrong,...
:lol: You are SO ENTITLED to how you feel about "Promise". You literally make me Laugh Out Loud! ...AND You, Mr. "marrymelana", are like his 'sidekick' standing next to him grinning & nodding yes. :rotfl: OK!! The episode Still moved me emotionally. Us emotional Girls put a lot of value in that. Evoking any emotion, except disgust & apathy, makes it important to me. :\ ;)

Sidekick huh? number one i am not a sidekick. i dont stand by someone and nod my head but when i agree with someone i will give them props for their PO. yes we are all in titled to our own PO for every epi. thats what this site is here for. it allows us the option to express our likes and dislikes. but when you start calling people sidekicks and saying that they are pretty much like a robot just standing there nodding you make yourself no better than the lionel luthers of the world. making people who would like to express themselves be silent because of retaliation. well i wont be silent i totally agree with mr wrong so in this case he is mr right. now if i didnt agree with him and i agreed with you do you think anyone would call me your sidekick? no i dont think so.

[President_Luthor]

"With this ring I thee wed ... because Lionel threatened to kill the lyin' love of my life"

Well, Lana didn't actually say that -- but that sums up the end result of the Luthor and Lang wedding. And Pete gets stiffed -again- with not an invite to him name :\

I don't have that much of an issue with this ep. because it seemed to be about either resolving long-standing issues ie Lana -finally- after SIX years puts 2 and 2 together and sees Clark for what he really is (and no, I don't mean as a sanctimonious liar :lol: ). Aunt Nell's pep talk apparently did more to get Lana to act on her doubts about Clark more than anything Clark, Chloe, Lex, etc. told her over the past six years, or it was the tipping point for her. (Nell's still lookin' f-iii-ne!) Yes, Lana, Clark ain't from this zip code. Getting Chloe locked in the wine cellar just seemed to be the available device she had to get Clark down there to do his superhero-saves-the-day thing.

To be honest, an episode about Lex and Lana's wedding had to be, by default, about the 'Love Triangle of all Love Triangles': Clark/Lana/Lex. While Lex didn't intentionally kill that doctor, it's not a stretch to believe that he was prepared to do just about anything to get Lana to march down that aisle -- he didn't exactly call 911 to report a terrible accident in the church crypt! Lex is the sloppiest murderer in town. And, after six years, he still needs Lionel to clean up his mess. There is some merit in the argument that Lex should know better than to assume that Luthor the Elder will make all things right again, with no consequences -- but that's how it's always been for Lex since he was a kid.

Lionel ie the Luthor with a backbone ;) calls Lana's bluff and plays for the highest stakes of all: your true love's life, or my son's hand in marriage. Lionel's not going to dance around with the typical Smallville mealy-mouthed excuses for bad behaviour, especially when his son's fate is involved. Lionel's disciplinary *SMACK* was a long time coming IMHO - it was the Luthor way of telling his son to wake up and smell his egomaniacal destiny. Lex shouldn't 'have' to count on his father to bail him out after six years of grooming/abuse/betrayals.

Again, my issue is with Clark's naivety in telling Lana to run away with him and live happily ever after - while conveniently forgetting that half the screw-ups in their relationship are squarely at his own doorstep! Lana's been expressing doubts about her future with Lex and realistically had enough time to make an exit from that fate. Her first chance to actually claim a destiny that could be her own was snatched away by Lionel -- who, of all the wedding guests, has a clear idea of what he wants and how to get it. He'll do whatever is necessary to safeguard/enforce his vision of what Lex's fate will be.

Yes, some of the characters' rapid-fire evolutions and realizations seemed to be crammed into this one episode, but I think it was merely a question of time. Season Six is almost over and TPTB needed to have their ducks lined up before the next season. I suppose this would be the episode to do it (it's the biggest wedding of the show, how could they resist?) It would be beyond belief, IMHO, if Lana were to be roaming around Smallville in a dumbfounded daze about Clark and his 'secret' into next year ... while everyone else is clued in -in varying degrees- about the Last Son of Krypton.

I realize it would be beyond belief as well if Clark didn't start to shed his self-centred, react first-think later habits and - I know it's a stretch - properly claim the mantle as the greatest of all superheroes. (Remember, it took SV's Ollie Queen to get the pre-JLA going here). Yeah, I know, it's Smallville Clark, but a little hope can't hurt.

Other than that, Promise was an entertaining romp, with the Luthors (Lex, Lionel AND Lana) providing the lion's share of inevitable twists and turns of fate.

And, in the tradition of this festive episode:

Something old: Clark's harping about Clana's never-ending mishaps and what-ifs. Someone fix the needle on that record, it keeps skipping back to that theme.

Something new: Lana getting off her keester (after SIX years :eek: ) and taking some initiative in getting Clark to reveal his 'true' super-self, at long last. It would have been incredible if, despite Lionel's threats, she threw caution to the wind, ran away with Clark and stiffed Lex at the altar. Imagine the vengeance both Luthors would have wrought if that happened. Only if, eh?

Something borrowed: When all else fails, run to Daddy. Chalk up Lionel's late-inning save as something we've seen before. File it under: "When's Lex going to get some backbone?".

Something blue: All parties in Clexana aren't going to be feeling great after this episode. Lana is resigned to her fate as a medieval kept-woman, a pawn in the Luthors' blood feuds. Lex is also stuck between wanting to carve his own path, while resenting the fact that he has to rely on Lionel to bail him out. Clark wants to have a normal life, one including Lana, but his destiny has other plans for him.

I wonder if Lex got Lana to sign a pre-nup ..... :lol:

[Mr. Wrong]

Originally posted by marrymelana
Sidekick huh? number one i am not a sidekick. i dont stand by someone and nod my head but when i agree with someone i will give them props for their PO. yes we are all in titled to our own PO for every epi. thats what this site is here for. it allows us the option to express our likes and dislikes. but when you start calling people sidekicks and saying that they are pretty much like a robot just standing there nodding you make yourself no better than the lionel luthers of the world. making people who would like to express themselves be silent because of retaliation. well i wont be silent i totally agree with mr wrong so in this case he is mr right. now if i didnt agree with him and i agreed with you do you think anyone would call me your sidekick? no i dont think so.


Knowing Imzadia from other postings Marrymelana, I don't believe it was meant to be a mean spirited remark. I realize it can be easy to misinterpret one's tone at times in a posting but I consider Imzadia to be a pretty affable person and I'm sure nothing demeaning was intended. P.S. I still appreciate the support though. Cheers!

[Imzadia]

To: "marrymelana"

I am so sorry if I offended you by using the term "sidekick". It was only in teasing, I thought in a friendly way, and somewhat agreeing that you guys had a right to embrace your staunch opinions about the eipsode. I would NEVER use this forum to attack anyone in a mean-spirited, confrontational manner. This is about FUN for me. So, please, accept my apology. I am easy to entreat and I will step forward to be a peacemaker, if need be. I am serious about the Fandoms I devote myself to, however, sharing my opinions about what we all are supposed to be supportive of in our choices of entertainment here is still only a hobby & recreational outlet. I enjoy the Smallville Fandom community...most of the time. : ) ; )

BTW, Mr. Wrong, Thank you for the moral support.
PS I really was "literally" laughing out loud while I was writing that post. :lol: :\

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
Hi Imzadia,
I guess that was the problem for me. I felt disgusted by the emotional rollercoaster and thought most of the cast were wishy washy or apathetic if you will IMO. Otherwise I enjoy a tear jerker once and awhile myself. I tend to get vehement when an episode leaves love so beaten and trambled. However, having watched Combat 5 or 6 times now I have to admit that without a downer like Promise, CK could never have summoned up enough furry to properly cope with the likes of Titan. Unfortunately IMHO, by the end of the epi. TPTB make sure his heart is back on his sleeve. Love your input gal, keep it up! Where oh where is George Reeves when we need him.LOL

Anyone who could stomach Combat more than once should be tough enough to take on Titan. Maybe even Lionel Luthor.

Nah. Clark doesn't need fury, he has superpowers and the calm sense of himself to use only the force necessary to prevail (most of the time).

I've watched Promise 5 or 6 times and I think it gets better each time as I appreciate how "love" got trampled for all the wrong reasons.

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
Anyone who could stomach Combat more than once should be tough enough to take on Titan. Maybe even Lionel Luthor.

Nah. Clark doesn't need fury, he has superpowers and the calm sense of himself to use only the force necessary to prevail (most of the time).

I've watched Promise 5 or 6 times and I think it gets better each time as I appreciate how "love" got trampled for all the wrong reasons.

:lol: "Fly by Guy", "Mr. Wrong", YES! "In Spain, the rain falls mainly in the plain". In other words, you get what I've been saying. I no longer feel as sad about "Promise", but I admit, I did watch it a couple of more times to feel that way. So much went so terribly wrong with that love triangle (that I felt should've never been) that should've continued on the path of Lana morphing into Lex's companion who shared many of his attitudes. It sort of snowballed out of control...Waaay over the top. I guess it was supposed to be an episode that had an emotional impact. Except some of it didn't make a lot of sense. It was just a lot of hurt and suffering...Sheesh!
Another thing, I LOVED "Combat". So, I agree I AM tough, too. It was an episode that showed how Clark used this opportunity to let loose some of his power and released 'some' of his anger on a creature who could endure it without it seeming like undue torture or that he had an unfair advantage over. It was satisfying for me to watch. I felt Clark's frustration about what he's been going through, especially with his "preoccupation" with Lana. I was a bit disappointed when he digressed into that 'Pineing for Lana' demeanor again... Thinking he has to FIX it for her.
:p Absolutely, Mr. Wrong, the very simple days of George Reeves are fondly remembered. Everything was so much less complicated back then. :\ I/we grew up with knowing who the bad guys were by the color of their hats, I always enjoyed a good barroom brawl 'ala John Wayne or "Bonanza"---"Laramie", etc. Yes, I was a Tomboy growing up. I wanted to be Annie Oakley. Anyway, I'm tired of these wishy washy men. Whining about and scheming everything they plan to do. I like action and straight-forwardness. When everybody got all bogged down in "Promise", I guess that's what had me crying. Oh, and That Song At The End, "Oh, Happy Day" by Patty Griffin. It gets me everytime I watch & hear it.
I'm hoping we can ALL cheer up, now. :D :rotfl: All I can do is laugh about it, now. :lol: And look forward to the rest of this season (except for "Noir")...I'm not too fond of dream seaquences. ;)

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
Knowing Imzadia from other postings Marrymelana, I don't believe it was meant to be a mean spirited remark. I realize it can be easy to misinterpret one's tone at times in a posting but I consider Imzadia to be a pretty affable person and I'm sure nothing demeaning was intended. P.S. I still appreciate the support though. Cheers!


Originally posted by Imzadia
To: "marrymelana"

I am so sorry if I offended you by using the term "sidekick". It was only in teasing, I thought in a friendly way, and somewhat agreeing that you guys had a right to embrace your staunch opinions about the eipsode. I would NEVER use this forum to attack anyone in a mean-spirited, confrontational manner. This is about FUN for me. So, please, accept my apology. I am easy to entreat and I will step forward to be a peacemaker, if need be. I am serious about the Fandoms I devote myself to, however, sharing my opinions about what we all are supposed to be supportive of in our choices of entertainment here is still only a hobby & recreational outlet. I enjoy the Smallville Fandom community...most of the time. : ) ; )

BTW, Mr. Wrong, Thank you for the moral support.
PS I really was "literally" laughing out loud while I was writing that post. :lol: :\

sorry i was having a NO GOOD VERY BAD DAY (no my name is not alexander). i accept the appology and normally i wouldnt take things like that personally. like i said i was just having a bad day. and mr wrong anytime you need a sidekick ill be there as long as i agree with the cause.

[Mr.]

So... this episode what can i say. Not Good, definitively too much playback and too much going back and forward. Felt like people just wanted to fill in.

And the worst part of it or what i call the "finisher" was just Lionel... UNBELIEVABLE. that was just way too much. I have to say it: it is LAME!

Stop that Lionel thing the "Mr. know everything thing". please stop that!!

[98chase]

Originally posted by Mr.


Stop that Lionel thing the "Mr. know everything thing". please stop that!!
Ummmm, isn't that what his entire character is based on? He's smart and has a lot of experience. He has learned from his past. He has been on the path that Lex is currently on. His past experience is what makes Lionel evil.

Lionel + past experience = smart + evil

no?

[kalelnica]

I hated the fact that lana got married, a girl that banging marrying some old bald dude? maybe thats why i liked the episode because it create some more tension between lex and clark. Thats what attracted me to the show, how lex and clark will become future enemies.

[Imzadia]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kalelnica
[B]I hated the fact that lana got married, a girl that banging marrying some old bald dude?

:eek: You must be really, really young if you think that Lex is old!:confused: :\ :lol:

[Mathys Welling]

well, ive just seen it for the first time, and i cried almost the whole episode... wow i really loved it and i think it was pretty good made... in everything! that ****in lionel i've never hated him more than now... wow he is really a bith heheh

[marrymelana]

ok so i have watched it over and over and over and over again..... and i just don't get it. WHY LANA WHY? come on the cue ball? i just don't get it. but i will admit this much after seeing this epi several times it has grown on me so i would give it a 1.5 !
i just dont know why after seeing what clark could do wouldn't she take the risk and go warn clark. i mean he already knows lionel knows but clark remeber what milton fine said even though he was an evil person "to save a race a few lives must be sacraficed." clark will need to kill lionel luther to let lana out of her marriage to lex. i hope he finds out soon that she knows so the secrets can be lifted and us clana fans can have one last run before the show is gone for good.

[Imzadia]

Hi "marrymelana",

I want you to think of me as a "Momma Martha Kent-type" giving you some much needed encouragement while gently patting you on the back...OK. First, WHY did you watch it over & over so many times if it was torturous to you? You only rated it a 1.5 for goodness' sake! It was a sad, crazy episode, but it spoke of so many things/events and situations that had happened during the course of this SV story. Since season 3, definitely, Lex had been grooming Lana to be his. Just like Clark had accused Lex of waiting in the 'wings' for him to step aside so he could swoop in and make his claim on her, that's what Lex had done. She was always an independent young girl, but she loved to be defended and rescued. She admired that, and Lex used it to his advantage. He waited for her to reach legal age for him to actively, but cleverly chase her. I'm hoping the writers planned on us seeing how Lex has been manipulating Lana for years, because I saw it that way. He was always the first person she'd run to for almost, ...NO. I want to scratch 'almost' and say...EVERYTHING! Yes she did. Clark went to Lex a lot, as well, but we know that when it comes from a woman, many times it's misunderstood and is perceived as subtle advances. So, Lana made the mistake of trusting Lex and his so-called friendship. He may have some genuine feelings for Lana, but they fall short when he is willing to deceive her to keep her.
Then towards the end of the 5th season, she was collaborating with Lex and hiding it from Clark. Lex convinced her that her point of view concerning Clark's 'secrets' was justified and he pulled her into his Lair. She went willingly. I sympathize with all of you Clana fans, but Lana had been playing 'footsies' with the enemy for far too long. It was her close relationship with Lex that kept Clark from trusting her fully. Her eyes are opened now and I hope she can escape. So, about that marriage & pregnancy and her & Lionel... I don't think Clark will have to kill Lionel. When Lana learns about everything she Thought she knew the facts about that caused her personal pain, I think that she will retaliate. I don't think killing someone in her own defense is too much of a stretch for Lana Lang. The hoped-for rekindling of the Clana may have another chance, but I think it'll be short-lived.
Well, that's just the way I see it, IMHO. I encourage you to simply "hang in there" and see how it all works out. ;)

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by Imzadia
Hi "marrymelana",

I want you to think of me as a "Momma Martha Kent-type" giving you some much needed encouragement while gently patting you on the back...OK. First, WHY did you watch it over & over so many times if it was torturous to you? You only rated it a 1.5 for goodness' sake! It was a sad, crazy episode, but it spoke of so many things/events and situations that had happened during the course of this SV story. Since season 3, definately, Lex had been grooming Lana to be his. Just like Clark had accused Lex of waiting in the 'wings' for him to step aside so he could swoop in and make his claim on her, that's what Lex had done. She was always an independent young girl, but she loved to be defended and rescued. She admired that, and Lex used it to his advantage. He waited for her to reach legal age for him to actively, but cleverly chase her. I'm hoping the writers planned on us seeing how Lex has been manipulating Lana for years, because I saw it that way. He was always the first person she'd run to for almost, ...NO. I want to scratch 'almost' and say...EVERYTHING! Yes she did. Clark went to Lex a lot, as well, but we know that when it comes from a woman, many times it's misunderstood and is perceived as subtle advances. So, Lana made the mistake of trusting Lex and his so-called friendship. He may have some genuine feelings for Lana, but they fall short when he is willing to deceive her to keep her.
Then towards the end of the 5th season, she was collaborating with Lex and hiding it from Clark. Lex convinced her that her point of view concerning Clark's 'secrets' was justified and he pulled her into his Lair. She went willingly. I sympathize with all of you Clana fans, but Lana had been playing 'footsies' with the enemy for far too long. It was her close relationship with Lex that kept Clark from trusting her fully. Her eyes are opened now and I hope she can escape. So, about that marriage & pregnancy and her & Lionel... I don't think Clark will have to kill Lionel. When Lana learns about everything she Thought she knew the facts about that caused her personal pain, I think that she will retaliate. I don't think killing someone in her own defense is too much of a stretch for Lana Lang. The hoped-for rekindling of the Clana may have another chance, but I think it'll be short-lived.
Well, that's just the way I see it, IMHO. I encourage you to simply "hang in there" and see how it all work out. ;)

yea i know lana brought much of this on here self but i love lana so i could never possibly think she could do ANYTHING wrong but try and do the right thing.......even though it usually blows up in her face. I WANT clark to kill lionel. but what i really think will happen is Lionel wont be killed, but instead he will sent to the phantom zone. Either that or Lex will kill lionel but i have a feeling that and i am hoping that it will be a very gorey, bloody, violent, painful death for all the pain he put the kents, the ross', and the sulivans through.not to mention all the other people that he has destoryed the lives of along the way. MAKE HIS ASS PAY!!!!!

[Imzadia]

Originally posted by marrymelana
yea i know lana brought much of this on here self but i love lana so i could never possibly think she could do ANYTHING wrong but try and do the right thing.......even though it usually blows up in her face. I WANT clark to kill lionel. but what i really think will happen is Lionel wont be killed, but instead he will sent to the phantom zone. Either that or Lex will kill lionel but i have a feeling that and i am hoping that it will be a very gorey, bloody, violent, painful death for all the pain he put the kents, the ross', and the sulivans through.not to mention all the other people that he has destoryed the lives of along the way. MAKE HIS ASS PAY!!!!!

:eek: :lol: OK, "marrymelana", you make me feel like I want to be a member of one of those mobs gathering together and agreeing with their clubs, pitchforks, torches, etc. in hand & angrily marching to the Monster's (Lionel's) evil lair to overcome him and burn him at the stake!! OK...Let's Do That!!! :eek: :rotfl:
That also means that JG is a great actor to be able to become Sooo Slimey that we're chanting for his demise. :cool:

[kryptonaidxh]

:) THANK YOU LIONEL!:) , you are the hero of the episode, actually, Loinel saved Clark of making the biggest mistake of his life; what is staying with the fool of Lana:o , I hope that Clark finally moves on and stop babysitting lana forever, but this time I hope that it be for real, and he finally forgets about her and start to make much important things with his life, for example, start his trainig, combat to the zooners, that would be a good start.:)

[naffles]

Technically, it was fabulous. Great transitions with the wedding invitations, poigant music, and John Glover, Tom Welling, and Kristin Kreuk blew my brains out with their fabulous acting.

But whose characters were in this again?

Wasn't it Chloe who was telling Clark TWO EPISODES PREVIOUSLY to get over Lana? And Lana wasn't exactly forced to begin a relationship with Lex last season. I mean, jeez.

So, character-wise, other than the brilliant Lionel, I'd give it a one.

Technically, I'd give it a 10.

So it's a five overall.

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by Imzadia
:eek: :lol: OK, "marrymelana", you make me feel like I want to be a member of one of those mobs gathering together and agreeing with their clubs, pitchforks, torches, etc. in hand & angrily marching to the Monster's (Lionel's) evil lair to overcome him and burn him at the stake!! OK...Let's Do That!!! :eek: :rotfl:
That also means that JG is a great actor to be able to become Sooo Slimey that we're chanting for his demise. :cool:

yes JG is an awesome actor. but lionel luther i just pray that he meets his end in this season and i want lana to somehow be involved in it. just kill his @$$ and then the only people to know about clark will be chloe, martha, and lana(which he dont know yet). i wonder how this season will end. a year long lexana is long enough. FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING HOLY, f---ing end it already. make lex marry some dumb bimbo chick and let lana either get back with clark or just be single for some time.

[Imzadia]

I have another observation to comment on concerning "Promise". This has to do with Chloe wearing a SLEEVELESS dress and there was no evidence of a healing wound or a scar on her right shoulder where Clark used his heat vision in "Freak" to remove that GPS implant. It was located just beneath her right collar bone. What happened to it?! No mention of it let alone an explanation! It couldn't simply disappear that completely.

[marrymelana]

as many freaking times as i have wachted this epi i never even noticed that. good eye

[Imzadia]

Hi "marrymelana",

Yes, I tend to notice the 'Details'. However, I've been trying real hard not to "nit-pic" too much. I don't want to be brow-beaten about bringing up things that make enjoyment of a TV show more complicated. For instance, I do REALLY enjoy SciFi, but where ever their imaginations take them, in order for me to go there too, they have to make whatever they conjur up make some sense...with their own explanation. So, if they happen to use knowledge of certain things from the Real World, they have to follow through as well.
The Explanation about Lana's 'fake' pregnancy is not altogether logical to me, because I understand that synthetic hormones/drugs Can create a response in our bodies to similate actual conditions, but in this case it's strange still. Lex had to have given her the hormones in some other form before she suspected that she may be pregnant, or the drug he used just made her sick...tired, fainting spells, nausea, etc., so she ended up going to see a doctor. Lex could pay any doctor off who would cooperate with such deciet, but how did Lex know which doctor she'd go to? Also, Lana wouldn't have started taking the PRENATAL vitamins until AFTER her pregnancy was confirmed. When she stopped taking the hormone, her body should've simply reverted to its normal functioning. If there was no baby, and only hormonal manipulation, the uterine contractions involved in an actual miscarriage shouldn't have been a factor, so why did Lana faint from pain?:\ See what I mean? Things that make you go "Huhmm?" :confused: Overkill! I analyze too much. I won't do it again...at least, to involve any of you all. :rotfl: I'll just torment myself about the petty 'details'. :rotfl:

Oh! One more thing... MAYBE CHLOE HAS NO SCAR BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH HER 'NEW' METEOR POWER. I'VE READ THAT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH "HEALING". ;)

[marrymelana]

she has no scar because she is hot and got plastic surgery to remove it. and as far as nit picking you cant be any worse than my fiance who is trying to catch up on all epi's of smallville and she goes well why did they do this and that. i finally just said."WATCH THE SHOW dont pick it apart"

[Imzadia]

:lol: That's what I keep telling myself, too. I only ruin it for myself when I do that. Like your fiancee, I viewed the complete series only last year. ALL of the 'stuff' they 'try' to slip by us is already planted in my memory, however, I've learned NOT to nit-pick. I love the series too much, anyway. So, you're right. Chloe just has miraculous healing powers. No one has been beat up as much as Lex and Lana, and they don't have ANY visable scars. It IS only serialised TV, right? Just For Fun...OK, I'll remember that. :\ :lol: Thanks!

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by Imzadia
:lol: That's what I keep telling myself, too. I only ruin it for myself when I do that. Like your fiancee, I viewed the complete series only last year. ALL of the 'stuff' they 'try' to slip by us is already planted in my memory, however, I've learned NOT to nit-pick. I love the series too much, anyway. So, you're right. Chloe just has miraculous healing powers. No one has been beat up as much as Lex and Lana, and they don't have ANY visable scars. It IS only serialised TV, right? Just For Fun...OK, I'll remember that. :\ :lol: Thanks!

lol your welcome and trust me i am getting into being a picker as well so don't feel bad about it. there is just somethings you cant say will happen but then it don't happen at other times.

[claraky!]

Originally posted by Imzadia
I have another observation to comment on concerning "Promise". This has to do with Chloe wearing a SLEEVELESS dress and there was no evidence of a healing wound or a scar on her right shoulder where Clark used his heat vision in "Freak" to remove that GPS implant. It was located just beneath her right collar bone. What happened to it?! No mention of it let alone an explanation! It couldn't simply disappear that completely.

slightly off the topic but i noticed the same thing and when lana or lex ever get hurt you never see any scars! :rolleyes:

[marrymelana]

Originally posted by claraky!
slightly off the topic but i noticed the same thing and when lana or lex ever get hurt you never see any scars! :rolleyes:

like i said beofre its because tptb dont think we will remeber from on epi to the next. like when lana broke her leg after lex spooked the horse i think i season 4. she dosent even look like her leg hurts her at all. and anyone who knows even years after a leg being broken still hurts at times.

[odoiporos]

I think it was seasons' 6 best episode. All the other episodes up to that (except Labyrinth, Crimson & Freak) were boring.
At last Lana finds out about Clark. It took her 6 years! Can you believe that??? (I have been waiting for 6 years too, to see the look on her face....)
The game with time was excellent! It gave us the opportunity to see every character's point of view.
The chemistry (once again) between Lana & Clark was great (old habits die hard!!!)
Father Luthor deserves an Oscar. I'm sure that he is also comfused. One minute he is the good guy and the other he is the villan.
But the real villan was Lex! Dude, you killed a man on your wedding day??? The only thing that disappointed me was his obsession with Lana. Worse than Clark's!

[smallvillian141]

good acting and stuff, but I much rather clana!!!! go clana! lol. can't wait for next season!

[jesslang]

i loved it!!!!!!!!!!! i thought it was the best one yet!!!!

[jesslang]

Well i will say this also....I love the WeddingDress !!!!!!!!

[wildenchantress_kt]

Finally got season six on DVD yesterday finally! So I got to PROMISE and by the end of the episode I have come to the conclusion that it was the most confusing episode of Smallville I have ever seen.

TPTB set out a good episode (I give them points for putting Aunt Nell on screen) and if the POV's had not been divided you would probably have missed out on some very important details. Yet I stand by my case that it was majorly confusing.

I am probably going to have to go back and watch it a couple more times to work out what was going on.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

Even though I don't like Clana I actually loved this episode....hmmm, but in Trespass, Crimson, Freak & now Promise I have enjoyed Lana's road to discover Clark's secret so that's why i love it. Finally for her to discover his secret

[Supermania]

Watching this episode was like watching a train wreck...seriously, Al/Miles ought to have been sent to a mental institution immediately after this way below-standard episode was aired! Their apparent obsession with Clana is way too evidentin this episode. It should have ended Season Five. So, our hero valiantly swoops in and attempts to propose to Lana on her wedding day. Smart kid is Clark!

But it is Lex who really steals the show, and thankfully, no-one's wife. This episode was probably key when it comes to the development of Lex's dark side. All I can say is; don't mess with Lex! I chuckled at Lionel's line "the crypt became a little overcrowded". Watching him mock his son for still needing his father to clear things up for him was great to watch, establishing Lionel as the figure in control.

Still, I gave this a 2/10. Best things? Lex killing his blackmailer and the Snow Patrol-led opening. I Could Be Happy too if I never watch this one again.

[Nimkong]

A great surprising episode!Liked how lana found out about clark,lanas decision and lionel turing bad.

[Simba_Muffy]

Yay! More moping Clark:rolleyes:

There's nothing like marrying the woman who you believe is pregnant with your enemy's child!

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I didn't like it. It showed a very pathetic, weak version of Clark Kent. It pains me to say this, but I cannot see this boy turning into Superman one day.


So true!

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The ending made Clark look extremely pathetic! Jor-El should've sent one of his clones down to beat Clark almost to death!

[Simba_Muffy]

i feel 100% the opposite you do. to me the clana relationship is about as healthy as stuffing butter flavored crisco down you throat. they keep getting together and hurting each other over and over and over again, and what do they gain from it...? nothing. what do they learn? nothing. just because they're all tragic, and it's the love thats "never meant to be" doesn't make it right. clark's love for lana is borderline obsession, and in real life if anyone's boyfriend/ex-boyfriend acted like this i guratee he'd be in prison or he'd have 1000 restraining orders against him. clana is painful to watch and even more painful for clark and lana themselves. promise was IMO worse then any episode that has ever aired since day one; worse then all the FOTW episodes put together, and at this point i could care less if lana ends up in a loveless marrige she only has herself to blame.

You're a smart man or woman.

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It was absolutely dreadful. I never thought I'd see the day that I could ever dislike Clark Kent, but it has happened. There is no way that such a pathetic wuss can become Superman. He needs to cry a river, grow a pair, build a bridge and get over his whiney self and his obsession with Lana. Lana is like Pink Kryptonite. It won't kill Clark, but it makes him so pathetic that I wish it would.

Also, what's up with Martha & Chloe? Martha is suddenly telling Clark to reveal his secret to Lana after telling Clark to let it go a couple of episodes ago. That was very out of character. As for Chloe, why can't she try to save Lana from the monster she is about to marry. All she'd have to do is say "Lex is evil. Let me tell you what I've found out.". Lana will definitely feel betrayed by her silence once she fully realize how evil Lex truly is.

By the end of the episode, I wanted to *****slap each and every one of the characters with the exception of Lionel. Go Lionel!

3 things I did like about this episode:

1. TW in a tux. He should be required to always wear that.
2. Lana's Wedding Gown. It was gorgeous.
3. Shelby. He was so adorable.

:lol:

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Worst ep ever. Everyone was OOC, especially Chloe and Martha who have repeatedly told Clark to move the hell on becasue Lana is not the girl for him and sudden;y they are cheerleading for Lana. Lana is shown to be even more a hypocrite to dump Lex in a note rather than having the guts to tell him in person. Just like she did WHitney. She didn't mind all the perks like trips to Paris on Lex's dollar and didn't hesitate to sleep with him and get pregnant but sudden;y she chickens at the last minute? After sucking Clark into her nasty scheme and he should know better than to trust her nasty lying self.

Clark is depicted an having no morals whatsoever, makinglout with another man's fiance, a girl who is pregnant with his child and who has had nothing but nasty, cruel and cutting remarks for Clark for almost two years now. Oh, yeah, and Lana lies to Chloe and locks her in a refrigerated room to spy on Clark when he comes to the rescue, showing the audience that yes, she can be even more nasty than she was when she lied her way onto the Kent farm and into Clark's room to root through his things for clues to his secret.

Instead of being called out on her crap and lies and dispicable behavior, Lana is treated like a martyr for marrying Lex to save Clark when she willingly agreed to it a long time ago and I have no sympathy for her. Clark deserves every bit of misery since the hero should never have done what he did and why he ever cared for this awful girl is inexplicable.

If the producers are smart they'll have Clark in the shower next week saying to himself, "Wow! That was some nightmare!" becasue showing us he dreamed of killing Lex and that he was okay with kissing an almost married woman and plotting with her to run away instead of facing her obligations, willingly agreed to, makes him as bad as her and no hero at all.

Perfect!

[lexluthor408]

Watching this episode was like watching a train wreck...seriously, Al/Miles ought to have been sent to a mental institution immediately after this way below-standard episode was aired! Their apparent obsession with Clana is way too evidentin this episode.

:lol:

I was thinking the same thing.

[Simba_Muffy]

watching this episode was like watching a train wreck...seriously, al/miles ought to have been sent to a mental institution immediately after this way below-standard episode was aired! Their apparent obsession with clana is way too evidentin this episode. It should have ended season five. So, our hero valiantly swoops in and attempts to propose to lana on her wedding day. Smart kid is clark!

But it is lex who really steals the show, and thankfully, no-one's wife. This episode was probably key when it comes to the development of lex's dark side. All i can say is; don't mess with lex! I chuckled at lionel's line "the crypt became a little overcrowded". Watching him mock his son for still needing his father to clear things up for him was great to watch, establishing lionel as the figure in control.

Still, i gave this a 2/10. Best things? Lex killing his blackmailer and the snow patrol-led opening. I could be happy too if i never watch this one again.

*Claps*

[hadezown]

What the hell man. Don't these writers learn from each other? Don't they get together at least once between episodes and discuss like, "Hey I liked how you developed that character last week" or "I've been reading forum feedback and it seems ppl generally don't like it when you put puke on their screens."

Ugh. The highlight was Lex stuffing the doctor into the crypt. I'm going to drink some synthehol now and hopefully I'll kill some memory cells of this horrible episode.

[Simba_Muffy]

I never thought it was possible for me despise every last character in a single episode! I despise TPTB too! Lionel and Shelby get off scott free. Lionel slapped Lex and Shelby was Shelby. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy! I bet they don't even play this episode in Hell!

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What the hell man. Don't these writers learn from each other? Don't they get together at least once between episodes and discuss like, "Hey I liked how you developed that character last week" or "I've been reading forum feedback and it seems ppl generally don't like it when you put puke on their screens."

Ugh. The highlight was Lex stuffing the doctor into the crypt. I'm going to drink some synthehol now and hopefully I'll kill some memory cells of this horrible episode.

:rotfl: