really stupid episode

[TheManOfTommrow2]

i usually like heroes but everyone there gone stupid
!!!

i mean first of all peter could have save simon
he was near hireo
that means he should have the power to go back in time
and warn her before she comes in to isaic home

second why the hell did clare dad leave his wife and son
memory intact
he should have make them forget and never talk about it
with anyone ever again

third and that reallly pissed me off
i lone awaited a showdown between peter and syler
how the hell could syler hold peter i mean peter should have
easly throw him off him
hello he has the same power he has and even more powers
we already seen him use it
if they are that despreate to give him a scar
he could have throw on him somthing

[boutny3421]

I think all your comments are taken without the context they were presented in. Peter isn't that good at using other ppl's powers yet but even if he was. If simone was supposed to die than she was gonna die. Just look at what happened when hiro tried to save that girl. You can change the future not the past. HRG leaving his wife and son's memory intact was a smart move if he wanted to protect claire. His wife giving him the note was the reason he didn't go looking for claire. And finally the Peter/Sylar showdown. Sylar is Sylar for a reason. And you need to remember that we got what 30 seconds of the fight. If someone throws u into a wall and then starts cutting your head open, you aren't the most focused. I think the things you hated make perfect sense in context and this was one of my favorite episodes

[Supermann]

Boutny, you have good points. I just hope they give us AMAZING, INCREDIBLE, OUTSTANDING, EXCITING and SATISFYING all in the next episode cause they're starving us a bit. I know there's a plot to unravel but yeeesh, give us a little more of the powers!!!!!! I NEED TO SEE POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I nearly jumped out of my seat.....actually I did.......when Peter grabbed the invisible guy and flew off!! I want more of that!! Yes I like to see a good plot too but not without tons of action!

[angeloo]

well peter doesnt like to use his powers to hurt people like sylar does, so he wouldnt be violent at first, thats why they make u wait next episode and it sinks in the sylars out to kill him

[TheManOfTommrow2]

Originally posted by boutny3421
I think all your comments are taken without the context they were presented in. Peter isn't that good at using other ppl's powers yet but even if he was. If simone was supposed to die than she was gonna die. Just look at what happened when hiro tried to save that girl. You can change the future not the past. HRG leaving his wife and son's memory intact was a smart move if he wanted to protect claire. His wife giving him the note was the reason he didn't go looking for claire. And finally the Peter/Sylar showdown. Sylar is Sylar for a reason. And you need to remember that we got what 30 seconds of the fight. If someone throws u into a wall and then starts cutting your head open, you aren't the most focused. I think the things you hated make perfect sense in context and this was one of my favorite episodes



i have to replay to your i am sorry to say
lame ass execuses
as i see them

1
peter has already mastered flying going invisiable and
even painting the future you forget he had alot of parctice with
his invisable friend and we seen him already that espeically when
he is in danger he can you his powes quite well

2
the past was the future in some point it is all reallitive to where you are standing and the girl that hiro tried to save didnt die from
syler she died form an iliones
the future was changed at that time
maybe some whould die eventfully but maybe it whould take a couple of years you never know and peter he is not hiro
he doesnt know that
it is worth a try if i was peter i whould not waste any time
that is the first thing i try

3
hrg didnt have to use his wife to give him a note he could
have left himself a note on his thing an email a mail or somthing
it whould be much easier and safer
and second i think he should have figuered out that
himself even without a note that he shouldnt go after clare
he knows it is not syler who got her but the indian guy
whice was his friend.the indian didnt erase his all memroy just
the couple of days

4
like i said before we saw that when the push comes to show
peter knows to use his powers quite well
30 seconds is more than enough time to put a telecontic
blow to a guy holding you with his hand
syler didnt knock him off they were staring each other in the face
and he even started talking to him
if you have powers and your in danger than you dont need even 30 seconds and you use everything you have to try to get out
especally if you have someone starting to cut your head

[angeloo]

well they cant just have peter running everywhere being god... they need to have storylines because if he just showed sylar who his daddy was at first it would seem like hes to powerful. and as i said peter cant do everything otherwise they should change the show to peterville or sumthin:rotfl:

oh and about HRG i think he didnt leave a note and it was just the illusions girl seeing if he can be trusted...

[bumblebee]

Originally posted by boutny3421
HRG leaving his wife and son's memory intact was a smart move if he wanted to protect claire. His wife giving him the note was the reason he didn't go looking for claire.
IA, also there's an emotional reason too. He now knows the damage accumulative memory wipes can have. He loves his wife and never meant for her to be hurt from them. He promised Claire that he wouldn't memory wipe the mom ever again.

[TheManOfTommrow2]

Originally posted by angeloo
well they cant just have peter running everywhere being god... they need to have storylines because if he just showed sylar who his daddy was at first it would seem like hes to powerful. and as i said peter cant do everything otherwise they should change the show to peterville or sumthin:rotfl:

oh and about HRG i think he didnt leave a note and it was just the illusions girl seeing if he can be trusted...

it is already be written like it is sylerwell
the guy survive a long fall multiple gun shots
torcuher and even cant be controled by voice hypnosis
peter in thery should be stronger since he has everone
that he meet powers including syler powers
i am not saying make peter a god
but it should have at least an even match
i mean if he knock peter out from behind that made some sence

they should ended the episode with them just faceing off
looking at each other when syler said what said to him
or better yet syler could have suprise peter and tryied throwing peter out the window or somthing and peter who fly in the next episode and return
bottom line it should be a more even match

[ginnyfan]

Hiro has trouble using his power when he's sad. Remember after Charlie died his powers weakened. So maybe Peter tried and failed to go back in time.

Sylar took Peter by surprise. I think we saw about 30 seconds of Sylar's attack on Peter. As we see in the preview Sylar didn't even finish cutting Peter's head open so... Don't give up on him yet... LOL!

HRG left his wife and son's memories intact because he saw the damage continual memory modification could do. He loves them. And decided to take the risk rather than harm their brains.

[phantom222]

`they should ended the episode with them just faceing off
looking at each other when syler said what said to him
or better yet syler could have suprise peter and tryied throwing peter out the window or somthing and peter who fly in the next episode and return
bottom line it should be a more even match`

if peter was thrown out a window at the end of this episode ,u`d b complaining about that.u caught like thirty seconds of the damn fight so just relax.if peter went back 2 save simone then he could just save every1 and the show will have no twists anymore and turn lame.
also ur playin favorites.your saying its ok for peter 2 b some type of indestructible god but complaining that sylar is.thats not how life works the good guys just dont beat the bad guys up all the time.
as for the memory thing we dont know about lyle but he didnt wipe his wife cuz she`d get brain damage.i am so sick of people that just wanna find a reason 2 complain.your reasons seem easily explainable 2 me and i really enjoyed this episode

[Ketchup]

mm okay,
1. not sure if this point is argueable... i'd say that since peter's never seen hiro use his power, or since he never had a chance to use hiro's power while being in close proximity to hiro, he isn't aware that he has hiro's power

2. well since HRG saw his wife hurting from all the damage previous erasings have cause, he didn't want to harm her anymore than he already has

3. c'mon! give the guy some time. u say u awaited a showdown between peter and syler... would you really have been satisfied if peter just kicked syler's ass in 10 seconds? the longer the fight scene is, the better, and we only saw the very very beginning of it, and i doubt peter would die by the end of it... he's the main character and the show's nowhere near a season finale...

[phantom222]

^^^ya plus peters already cleared for season 2

[Drakaun]

I can't say I agree at all with you.

1. Hiro barely knows how to control his power at this stage of the game, you think someone who just recently obtained it, and is not really quite sure how it works is going to be able to master it in just a short period of time, no, Peter's power is empathy, it isn't the skill of mastering someone else's power in a fraction of the time it takes for them to even understand it themselves.

2. If HRG left himself an Email, note, whatever for himself and himself alone, I am pretty sure that would be a mistake, The Company seems to be a very serious organization, I think if they suspected fowl play they would scan your email, mail, and other things to be sure you aren't two timing them.

3. Sylar caught peter off guard, he wasn't ready to be pushed against a wall with telekinesis, he didn't expect it would happen immediately. Peter has human reflexes like any normal human being, he isn't spiderman, he can't sense when danger is about to push him against the wall and cut open his skull, and you heard his scream of pain right, if someone is in that much pain I doubt they would be able to concentrate hard enough to use his powers immediately. Just wait, when April 23 comes around we will see this part over again, and as you see the hair fall on the floor, suddenly Sylar will be thrown backwards, peter will heal as much of the cut as he can, while Sylar is disoriented, he will get mohinder down and fly off, because what hope does Sylar have of catching someone who can fly, he can't fly as far as we know, his only flying is done with telekinesis.

I would just wait till the next episode before you pass judgement on this one, sure it is done and passed, but you do not know for sure how it will continue into the next episode, maybe after watching the next episode you will see how beautiful the setup between the two is and appreciate this episode more.

[Lambshank]

Originally posted by TheManOfTommrow2
i usually like heroes but everyone there gone stupid
!!!

i mean first of all peter could have save simon
he was near hireo
that means he should have the power to go back in time
and warn her before she comes in to isaic home

second why the hell did clare dad leave his wife and son
memory intact
he should have make them forget and never talk about it
with anyone ever again

third and that reallly pissed me off
i lone awaited a showdown between peter and syler
how the hell could syler hold peter i mean peter should have
easly throw him off him
hello he has the same power he has and even more powers
we already seen him use it
if they are that despreate to give him a scar
he could have throw on him somthing

Ummm... can I ask is English your first language? Because if it is you should at least show the common decency of making your posts readable, especially since the points you make are completely ridiculous and barely thought out...

[chrisxs5]

Originally posted by TheManOfTommrow2

1
peter has already mastered flying going invisiable and
even painting the future you forget he had alot of parctice with
his invisable friend and we seen him already that espeically when
he is in danger he can you his powes quite well

2
the past was the future in some point it is all reallitive to where you are standing and the girl that hiro tried to save didnt die from
syler she died form an iliones
the future was changed at that time
maybe some whould die eventfully but maybe it whould take a couple of years you never know and peter he is not hiro
he doesnt know that
it is worth a try if i was peter i whould not waste any time
that is the first thing i try

3
hrg didnt have to use his wife to give him a note he could
have left himself a note on his thing an email a mail or somthing
it whould be much easier and safer
and second i think he should have figuered out that
himself even without a note that he shouldnt go after clare
he knows it is not syler who got her but the indian guy
whice was his friend.the indian didnt erase his all memroy just
the couple of days

4
like i said before we saw that when the push comes to show
peter knows to use his powers quite well
30 seconds is more than enough time to put a telecontic
blow to a guy holding you with his hand
syler didnt knock him off they were staring each other in the face
and he even started talking to him
if you have powers and your in danger than you dont need even 30 seconds and you use everything you have to try to get out
especally if you have someone starting to cut your head

1: True Peter has mastered the invisibility power, that does not mean he has mastered them all. He has just know finally been able to fly and use telekinesis. As someone else mentioned, Hiro can barely use his power and/or understand it. Peter would first have to figure out how to tap into it and then try to master all the aspects of it.
2: She did die from Sylar, it is true that she would've died from a brain tumor but that didn't happen because Hiro was unable to.
3:Part of the believeability of the note was that it was in his own handwriting. In the novels he had to track down a computer to send one out. I dont think checking his emails was on the top of his priority list.
4: As for the fight - It's called a cliffhanger - they did exactly what they wanted to do which is of course leave us wanting more. If they had showed us the whole fight what would we have wanted to tune back in for. I will go out on a limb here and say if that disappointed you then you are in for alot more.
5: I completely agree with whoever (sorry dont remember names form page to page) said to learn to write. I have a hard time reading my kids papers, dont want to do it here either. If you need to write it in word and after you spellcheck it, then paste into the thread.

[DiscoDyslexic]

Sylars had his power for Over six moths now, Using it frequently. His skills with Telekenisis alone are far superior to Peters. He's also gained contoll of more offensive powers than peter. Just the same the only inclination that Peter could get that he was in any throuble was Mohinder pinned to the roof, which if anything, I think, would confuse the hell out of you. Peter can't fight sylar as is, at least not win, not without understanding his powers better, or being very lucky.

Peter couldn't have saved Simmone like that, Just like when Hiro tried to save Charlie. Like Hiro said, The power is bigger than them.

The only mistake Bennet made was not knowing his wife from an imposter, which seems like a very foolish thing to do, considering he should be smarter than that. But the note and everything made perfect sense.

[UDStyle]

Originally posted by Lambshank
Ummm... can I ask is English your first language? Because if it is you should at least show the common decency of making your posts readable, especially since the points you make are completely ridiculous and barely thought out... Co-sign! I had to get a few things straight here. This guy's topic is exclaiming that the episode was stupid, while I found the episode good so I clicked on this topic to read his points and possibly offer a counter. However, once the topic loads I can barely read what the guy is saying lol.

Seriously TheManOfTommrow2, you got to work on your typing and sentence/paragraph formatting. The format you used reads more like song lyrics or a poem. That combined with the spelling and poor grammar makes your post difficult to read or take seriously.

[Nam-Ek2]

Originally posted by TheManOfTommrow2
i have to replay to your i am sorry to say
lame ass execuses
as i see them

1
peter has already mastered flying going invisiable and
even painting the future you forget he had alot of parctice with
his invisable friend and we seen him already that espeically when
he is in danger he can you his powes quite well

2
the past was the future in some point it is all reallitive to where you are standing and the girl that hiro tried to save didnt die from
syler she died form an iliones
the future was changed at that time
maybe some whould die eventfully but maybe it whould take a couple of years you never know and peter he is not hiro
he doesnt know that
it is worth a try if i was peter i whould not waste any time
that is the first thing i try

3
hrg didnt have to use his wife to give him a note he could
have left himself a note on his thing an email a mail or somthing
it whould be much easier and safer
and second i think he should have figuered out that
himself even without a note that he shouldnt go after clare
he knows it is not syler who got her but the indian guy
whice was his friend.the indian didnt erase his all memroy just
the couple of days

4
like i said before we saw that when the push comes to show
peter knows to use his powers quite well
30 seconds is more than enough time to put a telecontic
blow to a guy holding you with his hand
syler didnt knock him off they were staring each other in the face
and he even started talking to him
if you have powers and your in danger than you dont need even 30 seconds and you use everything you have to try to get out
especally if you have someone starting to cut your head


He had to write a note so he could know he wrote it.

You forget he said it was his handwriting.

If it was an email then he would think some one from the company did it or something.


And also, Peter would be absolutely crapping himself. And its gonna be quite hard to think when someone is cutting your head open.

The fight was meant to be left for the next episode.

[TheManOfTommrow2]

Originally posted by chrisxs5
1: True Peter has mastered the invisibility power, that does not mean he has mastered them all. He has just know finally been able to fly and use telekinesis. As someone else mentioned, Hiro can barely use his power and/or understand it. Peter would first have to figure out how to tap into it and then try to master all the aspects of it.
2: She did die from Sylar, it is true that she would've died from a brain tumor but that didn't happen because Hiro was unable to.
3:Part of the believeability of the note was that it was in his own handwriting. In the novels he had to track down a computer to send one out. I dont think checking his emails was on the top of his priority list.
4: As for the fight - It's called a cliffhanger - they did exactly what they wanted to do which is of course leave us wanting more. If they had showed us the whole fight what would we have wanted to tune back in for. I will go out on a limb here and say if that disappointed you then you are in for alot more.
5: I completely agree with whoever (sorry dont remember names form page to page) said to learn to write. I have a hard time reading my kids papers, dont want to do it here either. If you need to write it in word and after you spellcheck it, then paste into the thread.

First of all let me apologize for my bad English it is true.
It is true that English is not my first language.
I will do my best at list not do some spelling mistakes.
I want to respond for some of your accusations.

1.I just saw some previous episodes of the show and it is seen there without a shadow of a doubt that peter knows how to use the telekinetic ability and knows how to use it well .he stopped the bullets that Hrg fired at him. He kicked the painters ass in the shop with that .he stopped the stick that his trainer friend try to hit him with. You can say he has not mastered all the abilities but this one he surly does.

2.I don’t think they made the part of Hiro's girlfriend death very clear. If she did die by Slyer hands. We should have seen him much smarter by now. Maybe she did die from the brain tumor and not from Slyer. Hiro said he can't change the past but just by being the past he already changed it. The writers would have us believe the past can not be changed only the future but I say it is a lame excuse the future will be the past in some point of time it is all relevant to point in time you are standing on. Isn't it convenient that Hiro can changed one thing but not the other that is totally lame. One more thing on the time travel bit if I was Peter and I lost my girlfriend and I knew I could possibly go back in time I would not waste my time. I would go out and try to use it or at list go and find Hiro and ask him for help. That is what every normal person would do and that is where the show lost its credibility



3.I think that someone has skilled and has experience has Hrg is would know of a safe way to pass information to himself without involving his family. Whether it is a note or an email or some kind of code. He is a trained operative for God sake that has done is job for over 15 years so don’t tell me he can't do it.


4.I know what a cliffhanger is but I still think the way it was done was unbelievable and even stupid. If they want to delay the fight and keep us in suspense that is fine but I think they should have stopped when Peter and Syler faced each other and Syler said what he said to him. Peter is more the a worthy match for Syler and the fight should be me more even right from that start.30 seconds is a long time to respond to someone attacking you. When push comes to show Peter Knows how to defend himself we have seen that numerous times. I don’t want Peter or Syler to be God Like I just want a more even believable fight

On a final not let me just say
All I asking from the show;s writers is
more credibility and less stupidity.
They have to think like this is real and make the characters
Act more like normal person would act on the situation

[Sidious]

Originally posted by TheManOfTommrow2
i mean first of all peter could have save simon
he was near hireo
that means he should have the power to go back in time
and warn her before she comes in to isaic home

It wouldn't be possible for Peter or Hiro to go back in time and save Simone.

This is because, if Peter went back in time and stopped Simone going into Isaacs appartment then Peter would've changed the future. If Peter had changed the future, then he would have no reason to go back in time and stop Simone from going into Isaacs appartment. If he didn't go back in time then Simone would ahve gone into the appartment and she would die as she did, which would in turn cause a neverending loop, of Peter going back in time, or not going back in time.

The only way to save her would be to go back in time and stop Simone from going in the appartment and then to tell his past self to go back in time and stop Simone from going in the appartment.

This, however, would probably cause a rift in the time-space *********, which, although hasn't been explained yet, is meant to be really bad according to Future Hiro.


Originally posted by TheManOfTommrow2
second why the hell did clare dad leave his wife and son
memory intact
he should have make them forget and never talk about it
with anyone ever again

Maybe it was because the memory wipe had caused his wife problems and he didn't want to make them worse or inflict them on his son.


Originally posted by TheManOfTommrow2
third and that reallly pissed me off
i lone awaited a showdown between peter and syler
how the hell could syler hold peter i mean peter should have
easly throw him off him
hello he has the same power he has and even more powers
we already seen him use it
if they are that despreate to give him a scar
he could have throw on him somthing

I have to agree with the other posters here about Sylar taking Peter by surprise, and the fact that the show makers wanted to leave it on a cliff hanger to entice people into watching the next episode.

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Has anyone else realised that the word ********* gets automatically edited to ********* when posted?

Why is this?

[TheManOfTommrow2]

Originally posted by Sidious
It wouldn't be possible for Peter or Hiro to go back in time and save Simone.

This is because, if Peter went back in time and stopped Simone going into Isaacs appartment then Peter would've changed the future. If Peter had changed the future, then he would have no reason to go back in time and stop Simone from going into Isaacs appartment. If he didn't go back in time then Simone would ahve gone into the appartment and she would die as she did, which would in turn cause a neverending loop, of Peter going back in time, or not going back in time.

The only way to save her would be to go back in time and stop Simone from going in the appartment and then to tell his past self to go back in time and stop Simone from going in the appartment.

This, however, would probably cause a rift in the time-space *********, which, although hasn't been explained yet, is meant to be really bad according to Future Hiro.




I have to agree with the other posters here about Sylar taking Peter by surprise, and the fact that the show makers wanted to leave it on a cliff hanger to entice people into watching the next episode.





What you are describing in the first part of your answer is called the "Grandfather Paradox". It is one theory why time travel is not possible or at least why the past
Could not be changed. The moment you enter the past you change it.
If Time travel is possible on the show then the future, past and present can be changed. There are many solutions for that paradox.

1. In order for that paradox to work you have to live in a world where there is one universe and if time travel is possible this can not be you have to live in a multiverse. A world with infinite universes for every point in time and every decision everyone makes.

2. I think the past and future could be personal to one personal .if you go back in time then the point in the past is your present and what comes after is the future for you so anything you do wont effect anything that came before. It is like everyone have there own personal universe which only affect them alone.

3. Who said that cause and affect are what govern the universe. Who said everything has to Confine it self to the limitation of the human mind. Why could be a paradox and still the world would go one why does every thing have to make sense to humans.
People are so argent we quickly forget that it is only been 100 years of this real modern life. It was not so long ago when we lived in simple wood cabins. We think we know everything by now.


And for the second part all I can say is rubbish. I saw that scene again and Syler talked to peter for at list 30 Seconds before he cut him more than enough time for a normal person to respond being attacked. The only way this would happen is if the writers of the show wanted it to be which apparently they did. They try to make some suspense on the cliffhanger and what they really did is make it unbelievable annoying and stupid. There are other ways to make a believable and thrilling cliffhanger.