All about Chlark!

[PhotoStarz]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny


Thanks Khyla:) I can ALWAYS count on your OPTIMISM:) BTW, check your messages. . .I left you one:)



Hey sparring partner, I see you're not giving up:lol: Oh well, it has been NICE:D debating with you, BUT I think I'll stop for now. I have a BAD feeling that we may be breaking some rules on this messageboard. . .I was sort of warned not to take things too far:( I suggest that you be careful too;) Try to refrain from using derogatory terms or bashing characters. . .This is just some friendly advice:) Believe me, I've learned my lesson:eek: Let's just AGREE to DISAGREE:) Don't worry, I'm sure we'll talk again soon, BUT I think that I should play it cool for right now:( Good luck buddy!:) [/B][/QUOTE]

Hi right back at you Sparring Buddy...
I can't give up. I have alittle 4 year old grandson who watches Smallville and believes him to be Superman. So I have to make a stand for the little guy's. And keep the real Superman/ Clark Kent Image alive, for all the new generations of little Superman/ Smallville fan's LOL I'm a 46 year old young Grandpa LOL
But I really do enjoy the debates with you. It shows you and I both have something major in common !! We REALLY REALLY Love Smallville !! LOL
I try to avoid breaking the rules as well, and I never bash the characters, because I adore them all. I Just debate the idea's and fantasy's that come up and don't follow the 69 year old storyline.
Call me Old fashioned, but some things are Best Left as they are, as is the Case with who Clark Kent is. Honorable, Decent, Loyal, and always doing the right thing !
I'll see you on other post's !! Justice is another of my favorites !!
I had to ask a question on it, because I didn't know the answer !! Can you believe that ? LOL
Talk to you real soon, in the future, I'm sure we'll find something new to debate ORRRRRR........ even agree on LOL

[lillie_poo_pod]

*groan* Okay so I just got through reading MOST of this debate and I decided to put my 2 cents in.

Please stop saying that Chlarker are living in some sort of fantisy because Chlark can never happend on SV because of the mythos. We know that Chloe is not part of any Superman myth but this is Smallville and we all know that the PTB do not follow canon to a T. Smallville shows the journey of Clark before he dons the cape. We know Clark in the end is with Lois, but this is not the end and its not set in stone that Chlark can NEVER HAPPEN ON SMALLVILLE. Romantic Clois prolly can't happen on SV but not Chlark.

If Chlark does happen on SV it would be the most mature relationship that Clark has ever had. They trust each other and love each other I don't see y TPTB wouldn't give Chlark a shot. It's basically the perfect ship. No secrets and lies and all that other stuff. In the end when Chloe and Clark break up I don't see Chloe going into some deep depression. She has matured so much over the years and it shows on-screen. She doesn't get jealous everytime Clark say he loves Lana or like in Hydro when she knew Clark kissed Lois. No jealousy there at all.

I for one see the attraction there, maybe its my shipper blinders, but I see that they both care deeply for each other and that they are hiding their true feelings at the moment. I'm being optimistic and thinking that we will finally get Chlark come season's end.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
*groan* Okay so I just got through reading MOST of this debate and I decided to put my 2 cents in.

Please stop saying that Chlarker are living in some sort of fantisy because Chlark can never happend on SV because of the mythos. We know that Chloe is not part of any Superman myth but this is Smallville and we all know that the PTB do not follow canon to a T. Smallville shows the journey of Clark before he dons the cape. We know Clark in the end is with Lois, but this is not the end and its not set in stone that Chlark can NEVER HAPPEN ON SMALLVILLE. Romantic Clois prolly can't happen on SV but not Chlark.

If Chlark does happen on SV it would be the most mature relationship that Clark has ever had. They trust each other and love each other I don't see y TPTB wouldn't give Chlark a shot. It's basically the perfect ship. No secrets and lies and all that other stuff. In the end when Chloe and Clark break up I don't see Chloe going into some deep depression. She has matured so much over the years and it shows on-screen. She doesn't get jealous everytime Clark say he loves Lana or like in Hydro when she knew Clark kissed Lois. No jealousy there at all.

I for one see the attraction there, maybe its my shipper blinders, but I see that they both care deeply for each other and that they are hiding their true feelings at the moment. I'm being optimistic and thinking that we will finally get Chlark come season's end.

Thank-you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH for saying this!!!:) ;) Finally ANOTHER CHLARKER who makes sense!:)

LONG LIVE CHLARK!!!!:p

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz As for love between Jimmy and Chloe at the time of their Affair, I agree also, more an act of passion and lust. No Love involved. The Love I speak of is in Season 6, Jimmy finally came to terms with his feelings for Chloe and they get together, and Chloe is returning those feelings back to him.I was responding to your claim of jimmy being chloe's first love. as you claim, their love didn't start till season 6. even though i think chloe loves clark and jimmy, the way lana claims to love clark and lex, i'll put that aside for now. i think that even though jimmy might be chloe's first returned love, he isn't her overall first love.
On too the part I really want to address.
Like the rest, you keep missing the point, all True Clark Kent /Superman fan's are pointing out to you all. Clark Kent in his young years in Smallville, has been laid out in the DC Comics Universe. And Smallville's Clark Kent is based off Jeff East's performance in The 1st Superman movie. As much as you think you know, I know alot more.well, with your vast history in the DC comics universe, surely you've heard of alternate realities. unless you have an explanation for lois being in smallville, the existence of chloe, kryptonite being everywhere, lionel existing and having some type of attraction martha, etc. then you can't act like NOTHING has changed.

Ahh I see anger in your post : Let's have fun with it shall we ?
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jeez.If I posted what i really thought of your self-righteous, holier-than-thou posting attitude and your insults about us not being true, wait "True" like capitalizing it matters, it'd just get edited or the post locked anyway. don't doubt that I'm a "True Devoted Fan
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Sounds to me like the only self Righteous person is you. And a bad attitude as well. At least with the other Chlarkers, I respect them and their views though we don't agree eye to eye, because they all conduct themselves in an adult matter, something you lack in, by this paragraph you wrote.
I agree with you, you aren't a Clark Kent/Superman Fan, because if you were, you'd be intelligent enough to understand the point I have been defending, and presenting to you and others. I have found in life, that people who lack the knowledge always resort to these type of tactics. And the one that get's mad first has already lost. And I just smile, knowing nothing you could say could offend me. Now that we have that point out of the way.the only part of your posts i take exception to is the stuff about us living in a fantasy world and the stuff about us, and me specifically now, not being a real fan of superman. now i guess you can add insults to my intelligence in there. I understand the point you make about what is established canon, and i agree that smallville sticks pretty close to some stuff. however, while i am not as into DC, i can give you a marvel example or two. spiderman never had organic web shooters until the first movie a few years ago. even though a lot of people i know, me included, took exception to this, because his creation of webshooters as well as the unique fluid showed his intelligence, when the movie came out, it became a non-point, so seamlessly integrated i didn't care anymore. another example is the age of the characters in the x-men movies and the order they all meet. stop assuming that because i don't agree with you I must not understand you. There is a chance you're wrong.
Let's move on :
You inherited your fathers collection of comics. Sounds like a nice collection. I have owned 3 Comicbook Shop's in my Life so far, and will open another here in Las Vegas in another 4 years when I retire from MTV. I own a poor condition copy of Action number 1 the first appearance of Superman from 1938, and even in the poor condition it is worth a fortune, because under 300 copies remain. I also have an Amazing Fantasy 15 The origin first appearance of Spiderman. I have 5 copies of X-men number one, plus over 6000 Silver age comics from Marvel and Dc Comics and quite a few other company's. From the 70's to present I own over 30,000 comics. All titles. I have them in storage for when I re open a new store in four years. I know the comicbook world extremely well. I had too, you have to know what's going on in a story to relate to the comic fan's that come into your shop. My knowledge on the subject goes back ever farier than yourself, and more intense. I'd keep the Spidey 3 and 7 in a cool dark place they are worth alot in good condition.this isn't a pissing contest. you win that hands down. i never said i was the biggest comics guy in the world, or had even the biggest collection of comics on this forum. i never made any claim to being anywhere near the best. again, to paraphrase my earlier comment rather than take it out of context like you, I am only pointing out that you CAN be a fan of superman and clark kent and want to see something different since smallville already broke a few MAJOR superman rules anyway.

Back to our talk :
That is the point I'm trying to make to you ! How difficult is it for you to understand ,While Clark is not flying around in the cape and Blue tights, he's still going to become Superman. That's what Smallville is all about ! And why it's on the air. This show isn't about Clark's Sex life LOL It's showing Clark had all the values and morals, Honor and Intrigity from the beginning, thanks to the Kent's and the wonderful up bringing they gave Clark as a child.
How many times has Clark had the chance to really go for it with alot of women on Smallville, besides Chloe, and he always kept himself in check, and conducted himself as a gentleman. Smallville has made him a great role model for the little one's who watch Smallville right along with us. Because in this day and age, most teenagers only think about sex, and the pursuit of getting it from any girl or guy who is willing. Thank God, the writers kept true to who Clark Kent is, and what he's all about. And show us there are some people left, who's lifes aren't ruled by sex and attraction, and always do the right thing, and behave as a gentleman.you're making a leap between love and relationships and sex that i never intended. I actually am one of those people you talk about who's life isn't ruled by sex, and i behave as a gentleman, and i appreciate, as you do that smallville shows that superman has morals, like in the episode where lex found that girl murdered, and clark was upset by the way lex treats women. i never said that i want clark to have a one night stand, or anything like it. I'd like to see him try an open honest relationship with a girl that cares for him. and if clark and alicia can date without having sex, and lana and jason can date for a year without having sex, I don't see why clark and chloe can't go out on a few dates, and have a few laughs. I never made the leap you accuse me of.
so don't say Superman isn't on the show ! He's already here ! Where have you been while he is using his powers LOLin the sense that 'superman' is a guy who works at the daily planet, lives in metropolis, loves lois lane, etc. superman is in fact NOT in the show. the elements are there, and i appreciate those as much as you do, even though i am younger and have a smaller comics collection, but he is not yet superman
The final point, you forget about all the children that watch Smallville like my little Grandson. how would it look to them having Clark bounce from girl to girl, then all of his female friends ?see earlier comment
I enjoyed your letter alot, even the mean part LOL I respect you for saying what you felt, and you have the right to do so. I hope you will write again. I understand your points, I hope you do with mine as well.I didn't want to be mean, but it seems like you take the elitist path a lot. you also put words into my mouth, umm...post...a lot. you insinuate that i put things there that i never typed. and you act like all us chlarkers can't possibly be just of different opinion, simply that we are delusional and incoherent. if you want an example of people using incorrect reasoning and bad examples to prove their point, look at the guys who actually used bringing an early twenties lois lane to smallville to hang out with high school clark(which i don't mind btw, just like the spiderman example i gave. they did it well enough so i didn't care that it was wrong) to prove that smallville is sticking to canon.
Now see there you did it !! You made me like you again LOL This is how I like to talk with people, nice and polite. The true story is important to so many of us, and keeping true with the history of Superman/Clark Kent Saga over the last 69 years. Many of us grew up with loving the Superman character as children and that love for the character followed into our Adult lifes, and we want to share that same history with our kid's and grandchildren, so they too will Love and respect and admire Clark Kent the man of Steel, and he will become a Hero to them as he was to us as children. So it is offensive when Chlarkers suggest, Clark becoming like a normal earth teenager with Sex on the brain. LOL We all want Clark to remain the great character he has always been. Lana was exceptable even though, nothing really happened in the comicbooks between them, the way it did in Smallville. But again we could except it because she was a True Love interest for Clark in the old 1950's and 1960's issues of Superboy comicbooks. If they bring Lori The Mermaid girl into Smallville we can except her as well, she is another of the 3 great Loves of Superman as shown in the 69 year history and storyline.Thanks again for your nice letter. I liked it much more than the last one LOL
As i stated before, you are making a leap here that i never intended. I don't want to see a sex-crazed superman running around either. and usually i find myself on the same side of the immorality issue as you are, taking great insult with the fact that some posters come in with things like "superman should kill, and should curse every once in a while, and should sleep with every chick he sees. That would be cool!!!" i think that's immature and doesn't belong in any version of superman.

I'm happy to provide you with entertainment, but you should stop treating us like all chlarkers are some interchangeable blend of people who are all identical, able to be painted with broad brushstrokes of what our opinions are.

oh, and the sliced bread part? not opinion. proven fact. it's too early in the day for a sandwich, but i did have toast with my breakfast, and it couldn't compare to the sheer wonderfulness that is chlark. in all seriousness, sliced bread isn't even as good as a good sourdough baggette, or a warm french loaf that you can cut open yourself and put butter in. Chlark is the best 'in smallville' relationship, something facilitated in-whole or in-part by the craptacular development of lana's character after she went to paris and was replaced by a doppelganger.

sorry for the length of this post; i was trapped in a meeting at work with nothing but my laptop and only the first 20 mins of the hour had anything to do with my parts.

[Mr. Wrong]

PhotoStarz,
Where were you when I was fighting tooth in nail with fellow posters regarding Alicia. It got so heated that they rewrote the posting rules. Chlarkers love the concept of good friends crossing the line and becoming lovers. They want TPTB to give us a different Superman. One who had a healthy love life. Alicia and Clark had way too much chemistry to allow her to live any longer as you suggested. The scenes between them were some of the best acting that the show has seen. SC is great and I loved her on Numbers and now on Shark also! Personally I love the current Chlark relationship, its perfect as it is. Chlarkers can't be blamed because they want more perfection, its a human foible. We all want more. Unfortunately, although a romance between them may be interesting for awhile, chlarkers fail to realize that it would preface the death nell on Chloe just as it did with Alicia. Otherwise TPTB would be forced to re-write a copy written saga.
I'm not a lawyer but I don't think D.C. Comics would sit idly by while that happened. In conclusion, please let Chloe and Jimmy's love life flourish and continue the Clois growth as well. Maybe Lana could move back to Paris and get Lex to build her a mansion or something. P.S. I really did love Lana but her thread is no longer pure enough to allow her to stay in CK's inner circle.

[PhotoStarz]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
*groan* Okay so I just got through reading MOST of this debate and I decided to put my 2 cents in.

Please stop saying that Chlarker are living in some sort of fantisy because Chlark can never happend on SV because of the mythos. We know that Chloe is not part of any Superman myth but this is Smallville and we all know that the PTB do not follow canon to a T. Smallville shows the journey of Clark before he dons the cape. We know Clark in the end is with Lois, but this is not the end and its not set in stone that Chlark can NEVER HAPPEN ON SMALLVILLE. Romantic Clois prolly can't happen on SV but not Chlark.

If Chlark does happen on SV it would be the most mature relationship that Clark has ever had. They trust each other and love each other I don't see y TPTB wouldn't give Chlark a shot. It's basically the perfect ship. No secrets and lies and all that other stuff. In the end when Chloe and Clark break up I don't see Chloe going into some deep depression. She has matured so much over the years and it shows on-screen. She doesn't get jealous everytime Clark say he loves Lana or like in Hydro when she knew Clark kissed Lois. No jealousy there at all.

I for one see the attraction there, maybe its my shipper blinders, but I see that they both care deeply for each other and that they are hiding their true feelings at the moment. I'm being optimistic and thinking that we will finally get Chlark come season's end.

Hi ! Welcome to is interesting talk. You make some good points, such as Clark and Lois won't go into a full blown relationship I don't think it will go that far either. I think the writers will build on the relationship between them and really push them close, but still keep distance. To remain true with what Time Warner has demanded of them, to keep with the original storylines, and not stray to far away from them. Things have to be the same, to blend with the movies of Superman that they are doing. Same thing with Bruce Wayne ! He got nixed from appearing on Smallville, when the idea came up, because Time Warner owns the rights to the Batman francise as well. I think it would have been so cool to have the young Bruce Wayne ( Future Batman ) on Smallville, who was also a Future JLA member. Hopefully the writers can figure a way to get Time Warner to let them use him, in an up coming Season. Because Time Warner holds The Movie Francise rights to both Superman and Batman, they have alot of power on which way Smallville goes. Such as no flying for Clark, they had to battle to get Clark flying once in the beginning of season 4. Now Clark can only take great leap's as shown in Crimson with Lois !!
I think all of us including you and all the Chloe fan's, realize Lana has run her coarse in Smallville, and it's time to break the connect with Clark and her, so Clark and Lana can finally move on.
But with due respect to your feelings, I don't think he will be with Chloe, I'm almost sure of it. Chloe is a wonderful character but not suited to be Clark Kent's girlfriend. I looked at this with an open mind, and thought about it when they first started with hints, in Season one. By Season 4 I realized it wouldn't work with them, besides not following the storyline. The writers of the show Al/Miles have shown us all, how obsessed with Clark she can become, how jealous, and venting that anger on Clark and others. As shown in early episodes, and even to betray Clark to Lionel. Then they showed us all the History of Chloe's family with her mother, and the mental illness that run's in the family. Ask yourself why the writers would show that fact ? It's going to be used somewhere in the series with Chloe. Maybe if she and Clark were to hook up, and she couldn't handle it and ends up in a mental ward, like her mother. Because Smallville can't leave loose ends, when the series finally comes to an end, because in the real storyline that follows the movies, no one knows Clark Kents secret. So that may be the reason for showing the mental illness in Chloe's family. It gives the writers a way out.
As a friend Chloe is wonderful for Clark, and Clark doesn't need another Lover. He needs a real friend. Because he is getting ready to leave soon to train with Jor EL and leave everyone behind for many years, and when he finally emerges back, he will be Superman. So the rest of these Seasons of Smallville will be focused on Clark realizing the purpose he was put on earth for, after they finally disconnect the Lana connection with him. Tracking the rest of the phantoms from the Phantom zone and dealing with them. Meeting more Heroes of the future Justice league of America. And having Lois and himself draw close and pull back all through the up and coming Seasons, to really establish the bond they will have later after he returns as Superman. Chloe's place in this, will be as a trusted friend and ally
and I hope the writers will make her see Clarks destiny is to Great for her, so she will let go of her wants and needs to be with Clark, and realize Clark is meant for the world.
As for your blinders, LOL I agree with you on that point ! You do have them on. You got to close to the Chloe character, and can't view things with an open mind and see the logic of why it can't happen and shouldn't happen. The True Romantic came out in you and others, wishing to match up Clark and Chloe. Nice thought. But it can't happen, because it changes the True storyline to much, and Time Warner won't allow it. Their Movies you know LOL two more from what I heard. That's why I take my view based on the facts, without any blinders on.
Thank you for your input, it was a well written reply.


Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
PhotoStarz,
Where were you when I was fighting tooth in nail with fellow posters regarding Alicia. It got so heated that they rewrote the posting rules. Chlarkers love the concept of good friends crossing the line and becoming lovers. They want TPTB to give us a different Superman. One who had a healthy love life. Alicia and Clark had way too much chemistry to allow her to live any longer as you suggested. The scenes between them were some of the best acting that the show has seen. SC is great and I loved her on Numbers and now on Shark also! Personally I love the current Chlark relationship, its perfect as it is. Chlarkers can't be blamed because they want more perfection, its a human foible. We all want more. Unfortunately, although a romance between them may be interesting for awhile, chlarkers fail to realize that it would preface the death nell on Chloe just as it did with Alicia. Otherwise TPTB would be forced to re-write a copy written saga.
I'm not a lawyer but I don't think D.C. Comics would sit idly by while that happened. In conclusion, please let Chloe and Jimmy's love life flourish and continue the Clois growth as well. Maybe Lana could move back to Paris and get Lex to build her a mansion or something. P.S. I really did love Lana but her thread is no longer pure enough to allow her to stay in CK's inner circle.

Hi Mr. Wrong !!
Sorry I wasn't available to help you in the battle of Alicia LOL
I only learned about this site by accident a month ago.
I agree with you ! There was so much chemistry between Clark and Alicia, and it was believable. The tears from Tom Wellings eye's as he found Alicia dead was intense. IN the 3 shows she was in, there was more feelings and emotion with Alicia and Clark, than all the Chloe/Clark moments in 6 seasons.
Sadly like you, I realized because of that fact, they were going to kill off the character, because she isn't part of the real storyline.
That's why I'm glad they won't do it with Chloe, because as you put it, it would be her death kneel as well. The Chlarkers just don't see that. Though I saw another way the writers could escape without killing her off, if Clark and her were brought into a brief hook up. Remember when Luthor Corp had the accident and the gas got out and everyone had their worst nightmare ?
That's when the writers revealed Chloe's family history and her mothers mental illness, which run's in the family, and Chloe pointed out herself. There's a reason they showed that to us.
That hasn't shown yet. That's their out for Chloe, if they decide to have Clark and Chloe have a brief fling. At least crazy she would still be alive, which is better than Alicia's fate of being dead. LOL These new viewers don't understand how serious following the real storyline is to the Movie makers. Thank God we do ! But we end up being the bad guy's to them for bringing up the real facts.
I liked Lana in the beginning too, and into the 4 th Season, but she was falling in love to quick, like most young girls do at that age. So from 4th Season on I felt Lana was played out. But the witch thing was an interesting Storyline. And my daughter's fell in Love with Jensen Ackles, and followed him To " Supernatural LOL and got me hooked on that show as well LOL
Alot of the storyline is copywrited as you said, and I know DC Comics well, they wouldn't sit idle if someone changed the plot from the Original Saga as it was created. I know alot about copywrite law's, because I have hundreds of my photo's copywrited. But that's an extremely good point on your part.
That's why Chloe and Clark can't be ! Copywrite protection !!
Clark isn't meant to be with her, unless they kill her off afterwards or make her crazy. That's the only two roads they can go, like with Alicia. Alicia went to a mental ward the first time, 2nd time she had to die to maintain the true storyline. Same thing will happen to Chloe, if they walk down that path. With so many Chloe fan's, They will keep her as Clark's Best friend, rather than go there. You always come up with such good point !! Well done !!


Originally posted by meteor_phreak
I was responding to your claim of jimmy being chloe's first love. as you claim, their love didn't start till season 6. even though i think chloe loves clark and jimmy, the way lana claims to love clark and lex, i'll put that aside for now. i think that even though jimmy might be chloe's first returned love, he isn't her overall first love.well, with your vast history in the DC comics universe, surely you've heard of alternate realities. unless you have an explanation for lois being in smallville, the existence of chloe, kryptonite being everywhere, lionel existing and having some type of attraction martha, etc. then you can't act like NOTHING has changed.the only part of your posts i take exception to is the stuff about us living in a fantasy world and the stuff about us, and me specifically now, not being a real fan of superman. now i guess you can add insults to my intelligence in there. I understand the point you make about what is established canon, and i agree that smallville sticks pretty close to some stuff. however, while i am not as into DC, i can give you a marvel example or two. spiderman never had organic web shooters until the first movie a few years ago. even though a lot of people i know, me included, took exception to this, because his creation of webshooters as well as the unique fluid showed his intelligence, when the movie came out, it became a non-point, so seamlessly integrated i didn't care anymore. another example is the age of the characters in the x-men movies and the order they all meet. stop assuming that because i don't agree with you I must not understand you. There is a chance you're wrong.this isn't a pissing contest. you win that hands down. i never said i was the biggest comics guy in the world, or had even the biggest collection of comics on this forum. i never made any claim to being anywhere near the best. again, to paraphrase my earlier comment rather than take it out of context like you, I am only pointing out that you CAN be a fan of superman and clark kent and want to see something different since smallville already broke a few MAJOR superman rules anyway.you're making a leap between love and relationships and sex that i never intended. I actually am one of those people you talk about who's life isn't ruled by sex, and i behave as a gentleman, and i appreciate, as you do that smallville shows that superman has morals, like in the episode where lex found that girl murdered, and clark was upset by the way lex treats women. i never said that i want clark to have a one night stand, or anything like it. I'd like to see him try an open honest relationship with a girl that cares for him. and if clark and alicia can date without having sex, and lana and jason can date for a year without having sex, I don't see why clark and chloe can't go out on a few dates, and have a few laughs. I never made the leap you accuse me of.in the sense that 'superman' is a guy who works at the daily planet, lives in metropolis, loves lois lane, etc. superman is in fact NOT in the show. the elements are there, and i appreciate those as much as you do, even though i am younger and have a smaller comics collection, but he is not yet supermansee earlier commentI didn't want to be mean, but it seems like you take the elitist path a lot. you also put words into my mouth, umm...post...a lot. you insinuate that i put things there that i never typed. and you act like all us chlarkers can't possibly be just of different opinion, simply that we are delusional and incoherent. if you want an example of people using incorrect reasoning and bad examples to prove their point, look at the guys who actually used bringing an early twenties lois lane to smallville to hang out with high school clark(which i don't mind btw, just like the spiderman example i gave. they did it well enough so i didn't care that it was wrong) to prove that smallville is sticking to canon. As i stated before, you are making a leap here that i never intended. I don't want to see a sex-crazed superman running around either. and usually i find myself on the same side of the immorality issue as you are, taking great insult with the fact that some posters come in with things like "superman should kill, and should curse every once in a while, and should sleep with every chick he sees. That would be cool!!!" i think that's immature and doesn't belong in any version of superman.

I'm happy to provide you with entertainment, but you should stop treating us like all chlarkers are some interchangeable blend of people who are all identical, able to be painted with broad brushstrokes of what our opinions are.

oh, and the sliced bread part? not opinion. proven fact. it's too early in the day for a sandwich, but i did have toast with my breakfast, and it couldn't compare to the sheer wonderfulness that is chlark. in all seriousness, sliced bread isn't even as good as a good sourdough baggette, or a warm french loaf that you can cut open yourself and put butter in. Chlark is the best 'in smallville' relationship, something facilitated in-whole or in-part by the craptacular development of lana's character after she went to paris and was replaced by a doppelganger.

sorry for the length of this post; i was trapped in a meeting at work with nothing but my laptop and only the first 20 mins of the hour had anything to do with my parts.
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Being a big fan of Superman I am very aware of alternate storylines. But this isn't the case in Smallville. In the alternates you know it's a make believe story, kind of a what if !!
As is out in the Comicbook shops right now, with Superman and Wonder Woman falling in Love. Great story and comic, but we realize it's not the true storyline. The writers of Smallville are having to remain for the most part True to the Superman /Clark Kent storyline, by the wishes of Time Warner and DC Comics.
And the few changes they have done, were after being approved by DC Comics. They can't really go into an alternate reality as you suggest, due to the copywrited storylines. They have to remain within the realm of the real storyline.
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Lois coming into Smallville has been done in the comics in Superboy in the 1960's. That's the only reason they are able to get away with it, it blends with the storyline, but in Superboy, they were never an item, and I don't think it will get there in Smallville. I believe they will use her to build up the Clark/Lois relationship of the future, like they did in the Superboy comic's of the 60's
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With newly created characters they do have more freedom to do as they will with Lionel, and Chloe, and Alicia and others. But when it comes to the Clark Kent character, they are forced by copywrite laws to remain very very close without any big changes that would disrupt the character and world DC Comics created around his character.
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Sadly as Clark Kent and Superman has been written , he can never be in an honest relationship with a woman, due to his secret. Everytime he tries, they die or he has to erase there memory like he did with Lois in Superman movie 2, because she couldn't handle life without him after she knew. In Smallville when he told Lana. she died !! I rest my case !! Chloe knows, but how long do you think her survival rate would last if they crossed the line, as you suggest ? She'd have to be killed off, or made mentally ill to get back to how Time Warner wants the show kept. within the true storyline of the Movies Francise.
And the writers have played the mental illness card, that they can use later if they need too.
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As for your comic collection, I wasn't competeing with you, I only pointed it out due to the fact I have owned 1000's of comics in my life and I'm a huge fan, and owned a few comicbook shop's in my life. And your Dad left you a great collection. Silver age are hard to come by now. Not many your age have those kind of comicbook, because they are too expensive to touch for the younger generation. Being in my 40's and making a hell of alot of money in my carreer, I can afford to buy up collections, and buy old silver and golden age, but more for time capsules of the mind, with each one I get back, that I had as a child, it comes with a flashback from the past of my childhood and Love for Superman, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen & Perry White. I collect to retain my inner child LOL I hope you do as well !!
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Now as for you and I getting off on the wrong foot, I merely responded to what you wrote in your one letter. As for your other posts, I enjoyed them, not as entertainment, but as two friends talking, respecting each others views even though we don't agree on every point LOL
This is what this site is all about, sharing our views on a show we all Love, and We all love Smallville. But the sliced bread thing did make me laugh, but that is what you wanted isn't it ?
Thanks for writing again, I enjoyed our talk, hopefully we both gained more insight into how each of us views things !

[lillie_poo_pod]

Hi ! Welcome to is interesting talk.

Thanks for the welcome :)



You make some good points, such as Clark and Lois won't go into a full blown relationship I don't think it will go that far either. I think the writers will build on the relationship between them and really push them close, but still keep distance. To remain true with what Time Warner has demanded of them, to keep with the original storylines, and not stray to far away from them. Things have to be the same, to blend with the movies of Superman that they are doing.

Ok, well I think that Chlark can happen and still have Clark and Lois become closer friends. That's a way to end the season. Clark and Chloe date for half a season maybe and come to a mutual understanding to remain friends, while Lois and Clark become closer by series end.


Chloe is a wonderful character but not suited to be Clark Kent's girlfriend. I looked at this with an open mind, and thought about it when they first started with hints, in Season one. By Season 4 I realized it wouldn't work with them, besides not following the storyline. The writers of the show Al/Miles have shown us all, how obsessed with Clark she can become, how jealous, and venting that anger on Clark and others. As shown in early episodes, and even to betray Clark to Lionel. Then they showed us all the History of Chloe's family with her mother, and the mental illness that run's in the family. Ask yourself why the writers would show that fact ? It's going to be used somewhere in the series with Chloe. Maybe if she and Clark were to hook up, and she couldn't handle it and ends up in a mental ward, like her mother. Because Smallville can't leave loose ends, when the series finally comes to an end, because in the real storyline that follows the movies, no one knows Clark Kents secret. So that may be the reason for showing the mental illness in Chloe's family. It gives the writers a way out.


Ok let me remind you that Clark forgave Chloe for her deal with Lionel. Chloe was what 16? She suffered the consequences of her mistakes and has learned from them. That's one thing that makes Chloe and Clark's relationship the best on the show,IMHO.
They have been through damn near everything that could hurt their friendship and gotten out of it together. Everything that they went through made them grow closer.

And as for Chloe's mental illness, I advise you to check up on the spoiler thread for that one. ;)


As a friend Chloe is wonderful for Clark, and Clark doesn't need another Lover. He needs a real friend. [/Qoute]

Chloe is not trying to be his lover. If she was she wouldn't have brushed off that kiss in Zod when Clark really wanted them to hook up. And I think Chloe has been a real friend to Clark. Regardless of everything that has happened between them, Chloe and Clark are true friends.

[Quote]Chloe's place in this, will be as a trusted friend and ally
and I hope the writers will make her see Clarks destiny is to Great for her, so she will let go of her wants and needs to be with Clark, and realize Clark is meant for the world.

Chloe already knows and has told Clark that he is meant to save the world. She has encourages him. You make it seem like Chloe is trying to hold Clark back when she's not. That's Lana.



As for your blinders, LOL I agree with you on that point ! You do have them on. You got to close to the Chloe character, and can't view things with an open mind and see the logic of why it can't happen and shouldn't happen. The True Romantic came out in you and others, wishing to match up Clark and Chloe. Nice thought. But it can't happen, because it changes the True storyline to much, and Time Warner won't allow it. Their Movies you know LOL two more from what I heard. That's why I take my view based on the facts, without any blinders on.

Without the shipper blinders I still don't see y Chlark can't happen on the show, Even if it's for a brief period of time. I don't see how it will change the "True" storyline.



Thank you for your input, it was a well written reply.

You're welcome.
:)

[PhotoStarz]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
Thanks for the welcome :)



Ok, well I think that Chlark can happen and still have Clark and Lois become closer friends. That's a way to end the season. Clark and Chloe date for half a season maybe and come to a mutual understanding to remain friends, while Lois and Clark become closer by series end.


Ok let me remind you that Clark forgave Chloe for her deal with Lionel. Chloe was what 16? She suffered the consequences of her mistakes and has learned from them. That's one thing that makes Chloe and Clark's relationship the best on the show,IMHO.
They have been through damn near everything that could hurt their friendship and gotten out of it together. Everything that they went through made them grow closer.

And as for Chloe's mental illness, I advise you to check up on the spoiler thread for that one. ;)



Chloe already knows and has told Clark that he is meant to save the world. She has encourages him. You make it seem like Chloe is trying to hold Clark back when she's not. That's Lana.



Without the shipper blinders I still don't see y Chlark can't happen on the show, Even if it's for a brief period of time. I don't see how it will change the "True" storyline.



You're welcome.
:)


Hi Again....
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I never read the spoilers. Maybe I should LOL As for the Mental illness thing. That's a fact. It's there for if Al/Miles paint themselves into a corner, and their way out. They may not use it, if they don't pair up Clark/Chloe. But if they do, then that is one open option, sadly the other is Chloe dying. Personally I'd rather have her crazy than dead !
If you follow the patterm set in Smallville, and the Superman Movies, you will see that every love interest Clark has, die's in Smallville that knows his Secret. Alicia, the Indian girl, Lana when he told her. Chloe is safe as long as their relationship doesn't cross the line, if they do the writers have no choice but those two options. Because when Smallville finally ends, they would have to remove Chloe completely, because no one can know his secret except, the future JLA members and live. Pete Ross will also have to be dealt with before the close of the series, in accordance with Time Warner. So you could get your wish, but lose the character. I don't think it's worth it do you ??
If you saw Superman 2 then you know Lois Lane could not deal with the loss of Clark Kent/Superman, when he had to leave her for the world, so he had to erase her memory. With Chloe's feelings being more intense, than Lois, Chloe would be worse off than Lois was, and need a mind wipe as well. Hey !! That made me think of something. Maybe your wish could come true, and Chloe could live afterwards, if Clark had her mind wiped, when he was ready to leave her. Just a theory ! One in your favor ! LOL
But spoiler or not without seing it. The reason it was shown was for a way out of the Chloe character if they gave Chlarkers their wish. If they don't it won't ever be used in that way, and I'm sure they will find a new way to use it. I got that Info direct from my friends at DC Comics.
Did you know they toyed with the idea of doing a dream episode where Chloe dreams she and Clark get together, but it got pushed from the table. Hey !! They could bring that idea back !! And even if it's only a dream, you all still got what you want, and the storyline remains true. That my side could live with.

Anyways it was nice speaking with you again. Thank you for such nice debate replies !!

[greysfan511]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz
You don't realize how done I am with Lana. It has gone on way too long. So Long I'd even prefer Chloe, just to end the Lana thing LOL But I want more Lois and Clark. Erica and Tom have an energy between the two of them, that screams attraction LOL
And the two, together make one hell of an attractive couple !!
I haven't heard of the show Shark with Sarah Carter on it, what channel is that on ?? I'll check it out in my down time till I leave on the 15 th. Doesn't it seem like forever for Promise and March 15th to finally get here ? LOL
The new seasons too come will hold more Clark and Lois drawing ever closer to each other. And more Heroes for the future JLA , and Jimmy and Chloe growing into a deeper more real relationship. I Look forward to it all. Your right we are holding our own, as out numbered as we are on this post LOL



That's good ! Nice to talk with a Chloe fan that at least understands the true storyline, and knows it isn't about debating. We are only standing up for the True Story and Saga of Clark Kent and Superman. Thank you for your honest post !
And between you and me ! Keep on being a fan of Chloe ! I Like her too, she's great !! She just won't be the love of Clarks Life.


I agree! I would take Chloe over Lana. It's gone way to far. Shark is on CBS at 9:00 Denver time on Thursday. It does seem like forever till March 15th! This doesn't happen too often for me, but I'm getting sent out of town for business! I leave next week on Tuesday! Of course it's the week of Promise! But I'm telling you right now I'll be stopping everything, on Thursday night to watch Smallville!! I found out today! I'm excited cause I'll be going to LA which is awesome! One of my most fav places in the US!!! Anways, LOL, I'm a Chloe fan too, she's great! I don't want her with Clark, that's all! NEW SOPILERS IN!! A write up in the TV Guide has people writing in asking questions about who the dad is to Lana's baby, and the response was " People are focusing to much on the dad, they need to be focusing in on who the mom is." I read that in a interview with Al!! Very intresting!! I can't wait for upcoming episodes!! Promise seems to far away!! Great talking to you agian!! Keep up the good work, my friend!


Originally posted by PhotoStarz
Hi Again....
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I never read the spoilers. Maybe I should LOL As for the Mental illness thing. That's a fact. It's there for if Al/Miles paint themselves into a corner, and their way out. They may not use it, if they don't pair up Clark/Chloe. But if they do, then that is one open option, sadly the other is Chloe dying. Personally I'd rather have her crazy than dead !
If you follow the patterm set in Smallville, and the Superman Movies, you will see that every love interest Clark has, die's in Smallville that knows his Secret. Alicia, the Indian girl, Lana when he told her. Chloe is safe as long as their relationship doesn't cross the line, if they do the writers have no choice but those two options. Because when Smallville finally ends, they would have to remove Chloe completely, because no one can know his secret except, the future JLA members and live. Pete Ross will also have to be dealt with before the close of the series, in accordance with Time Warner. So you could get your wish, but lose the character. I don't think it's worth it do you ??
If you saw Superman 2 then you know Lois Lane could not deal with the loss of Clark Kent/Superman, when he had to leave her for the world, so he had to erase her memory. With Chloe's feelings being more intense, than Lois, Chloe would be worse off than Lois was, and need a mind wipe as well. Hey !! That made me think of something. Maybe your wish could come true, and Chloe could live afterwards, if Clark had her mind wiped, when he was ready to leave her. Just a theory ! One in your favor ! LOL
But spoiler or not without seing it. The reason it was shown was for a way out of the Chloe character if they gave Chlarkers their wish. If they don't it won't ever be used in that way, and I'm sure they will find a new way to use it. I got that Info direct from my friends at DC Comics.
Did you know they toyed with the idea of doing a dream episode where Chloe dreams she and Clark get together, but it got pushed from the table. Hey !! They could bring that idea back !! And even if it's only a dream, you all still got what you want, and the storyline remains true. That my side could live with.

Anyways it was nice speaking with you again. Thank you for such nice debate replies !!


WOW!!! I sure do miss alot!!! Work doesn't alow me to get free time to check this so I have alot of catching up to do when I get home!!! We are soooooooo out numbered!! In this thread!! Still we are strong and will keep speaking the truth!!! I love these heated debates!! They get me intrested! I still love reading the Chlarkers point of view! If it isn't Chlark, then nothing else can happpen. That's the message I've gotten from some of them!

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz
I missed this post. I agree on the moving away from Lana. But as for the rest. Wishful thinking on your part, and seing what isn't really there, with Clark and Chloe.
You stated, ( you think it was obvious they were buildin chlark ) how wrong you are ! It was nothing of the kind. They were building a stronger friendship is all. Don't confuse Friendship with Love or lust. Clark has no tension as you put it with Chloe, but Chloe sure has it with Clark. Since the beginning of Smallville, it has always been Chloe pursuing Clark. Clark ruled it out for her in Devoted. And yet if Clark shows he is a friend and shows he cares about her as a friend, so many misunderstand, and instantly think, it's all about Sex and lust, and tention !!! LOL
You guy's need to stop thinking with your lower brains, and really watch the shows more closely, and forget all this stuff about tention and attraction, and realize Clark is a Noble man, with Honorable intentions, and values Chloe as his True friend, and he is very protective of her. That's why he was concerned when Jimmy came into the picture. But that's what friends do in real life as well. Look out for their friends. How many good friendships in life have been ruined, by people like yourselves who read into something wrong like you are with Clark and Chloe, and the friendship was Lost. Superman/Clark Kent Fan's have an edge, we all know how the story ends. 69 years worth of storyline to prove it. Get back to reality, and enjoy the show. It's a great one. Let the History and storyline of Clark Kent and Superman be your guide. And enjoy the fact that Clark has another new friend ( Chloe ) to help aid him in the great cause he is about to under take when he becomes Superman in a few years.
I disagree,cause the show itself shows sumthin completely diff.Yes I kno of the superman myths and haven't been ignorin them but realize that AlMiles choose to tell their own story of the myths.Meanin that changes can happen leadin up to the end,jus as I kno clois is the future and may happen offscreen later.I jus dont rule out the possibility of chlark romantically happenin cause tptb show us ONSCREEN that their feelings runnin deeper than jus friendly.They hide behind the jus friends and thats why we haven't seen more take place,yes clark let her down in devoted(Once)but simply said atleast not right now.Meanin he didn't rule out he had feelings there but jus not strong enough to pursue more.I think even anti's have to admit that he does feel sumthin for her beyond friendship,we were shown in s1/s2 alil and even in devoted he didn't tell martha he didn't feel that way.All he said was "Prob is I'm not over lana yet,sumtimes I dont think I ever will",which lead to him lettin her down easy.But we saw in s1,2,bound,vessel/zod that he does feel sumthin more,but the prob is always lana.If anythin I have more prob wit him bein stuck on lana for so long...But I dont rule out chlark possibly datin before the show ends,even if clois is to happen later I dont care.I kno its meant for the future but doesn't mean that its meant for this show,jus cause lois is around doesn't mean clois will end the show.Thats what I think many chlarkers r tryin to get across is that we accept the future which cant be changed(Unless ur a chloiser,not all chlarker's r),but on this show nothin is set in stone not even clois.AlMiles have made it clear they r tellin their own story of the myths,so changes could happen.Plus I dont see how chlark in s7 or before the show ends could hurt since we do kno clois is the future/we may not see clois...Anythin is possible which is the point,what ur tryin to do is rule out the possibility but tptb constantly show us that anythin is possible.And if chlark does happen we could never say it came out of nowhere cause they've been buildin chlark friendship/trust/closeness and even physical attraction for 6 season now.So sorry I respectfully disagree,u may feel diff but ur opinion doesn't rule out the possibility that the show HAS setup.Sorry :)


Originally posted by PhotoStarz
Hi nice to meet you !! Nice to see another Jimmy and Chloe fan ! I think the two of them look great together, and make a perfect couple !! Chloe needed a guy that would put her first in his Life.
And Jimmy's that guy ! Thanks for the post !!
I disagree wit them bein a perfect couple since even u agree that she is in luv wit clark.Yes she deserves sumone who puts her first but jimmy isn't the one sorry :p :)

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz
Plus alot of people don't realize, Jimmy was Chloe's first Love, and she lost her virginity to him, as explained in Season 4 episode 11 " Unsafe " as she and Lana are talking, and Chloe shares her first time, and loss of virginity. Jimmy and Chloe already have major history together. And it is nice to see they brought them back together. First Love's are always special. So you see, Clark isn't even her first Love.
And if we wanna follow sv canon then we kno that clark is her first and only luv,not jimmy sorry.But even when she slept wit him it was after the spring formal when she intern at the DP,which was right after clark left her at the dance and she assume he left to be wit lana.Plus this was after vortex(Which took place the same day as tempest)where they agreed to remain friends and she was clearly hurt,so she slept wit jimmy cause she was hurt by clark.Yes she admitted he was nice but she did admit she regretted it because she wanted her first time to be special(Meanin wit clark).I definitely wouldn't use the unsafe convo/chlimmy sleepin together as sumthin to convince chlarker's chlimmy is fo real.Cause jus off show canon we kno for a fact that she slept wit jimmy durin her split wit clark in s1/2 and in s4 we find out she regretted it.Also that was a recton from the writers who in s2 Heat have her say she made it up then in s4Unsafe say it did happen,so no I disagree about chlimmy/jimmy bein her first luv.She doesn't luv him she's been shown to luv clark always,like jimmy yes he's adorable/nice to her but he's no clark.Sorry disagree once again


Originally posted by PhotoStarz
Besides, you should already know, Clark goes on to Lois when he becomes Superman. So that totally destroy's your idea of if they got together ( Chloe & Clark ) that they would last. It would be Doomed from the start. Read the Smallville Magazines, Lois is the coming future and has been for the last 69 years.
For every10 Chlark fan's there are, There's a 1000 True Superman fan's that watch the show as well that aren't on this site, do you think the writers would risk losing all the True fan's of Clark Kent and Superman ? When they wouldn't tune in anymore, and rating plunge, and the show would get cancelled. The writers and creators from DC Comics aren't going to let it happen. It's a Muti Million Dollar character. The True Devoted Fan's have got you outnumbered, all the way back to the Baby Boomer Generation, and farier back than that. Superman is known in every household, in America, in one way or another. And if they did a poll on the street and asked people who Clark Kent/Superman's Girlfriend is " They would all answer Lois Lane !! You have too much history of the character against you.
That's opinion,we dont kno it would be doom its possible to have chlark date and not breakup on the show.Yet have the comics explain in her arrival and why chlark split later...we kno clois is the future,but chlark doesn't..There is nothin that is keepin them back from datin except for clark's obsession wit lana,if he was to get over her I garuntee the possibility of chlark would be clearer for u.But u seem to keep bringin up comic history that doesn't completely apply here,AlMiles r tellin what they want to tell.Never has clois met this earlier,and yes they r the future but its is not set in stone to happen on sv.It is very possible for clark to end the show single or datin either of the 3 girls if AlMiles choose to.What ur sayin is its doom cause comic canon says clois always happens,but we've never been told this side of the story and wit AlMiles track record of changin outcomes I wouldn't put it past them to change summore.The possibility is always there whether choose to ignore it or not,but tho comics tell us clois is the future...Nothin on Smallville shows that chlark wouldn't work tho,sorry...But tho the comics r a good canon to compare 2 its not the same obviously so changes can be made/alter along the way.Yes the outcome is the same wit clois in the future,but if nothin on the show proves that chlark or any other ship cant happen or better yet end the show.Tho I luv the comics,I'ma have to stick wit sv canon on this one...and I disagree for every 10chlarkers there r a 1000 true superman fans :\ ,r u sayin that chlarker's arent true fans?Its all opinion ur estimate sorry,but thats not facts,and is wrong to single out a certain ship or fans because u choose to voice/believe ur own opinion.So I respectfully disagree...


Anyways off the debate subject,I haven't been to this thread much since the epi aired...But how did this thread lead to anti's tryin to convince chlarkers to give up...This thread was suppose to be about chlark in freak good/bad yet sumhow its about clois=future/chlark never happenin which is all opinion...Anyways I done voice my last on the topic,cause I see this jus might get close if 2 many keep up arguin sadly...Anyways glad sum anti's voice their opinions but I do see sum bias opinions tho,and jus felt the need to speakup.Cause not every chlarker thinks/belief is out of left field like sum anti's r suggestin.O well,debate up ya'll :rolleyes:

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz
Hi Again....


Why hello! :)




I never read the spoilers. Maybe I should LOL As for the Mental illness thing. That's a fact. It's there for if Al/Miles paint themselves into a corner, and their way out. They may not use it, if they don't pair up Clark/Chloe. But if they do, then that is one open option, sadly the other is Chloe dying. Personally I'd rather have her crazy than dead ! If you follow the patterm set in Smallville, and the Superman Movies, you will see that every love interest Clark has, die's in Smallville that knows his Secret. Alicia, the Indian girl, Lana when he told her. Chloe is safe as long as their relationship doesn't cross the line, if they do the writers have no choice but those two options. Because when Smallville finally ends, they would have to remove Chloe completely, because no one can know his secret except, the future JLA members and live. Pete Ross will also have to be dealt with before the close of the series, in accordance with Time Warner. So you could get your wish, but lose the character. I don't think it's worth it do you ?? [/Qoute]

Well since you don't read the spoilers, I'll won't say anything else about the mental illness issue. But there are more options than that and death. With Chlark TPTB have the ability to write a ship that will not end badly for either parties, unlike past relationships that Clark has had. Which, when you think about it is really just 1 and that was Alicia. Like I said in my other post they can have them date for a while and the come to the agreement to just stay BFF. Nothing wrong with that there. They don't HAVE to follow previous patterns. Smallville is different from the other shows and movies. I'm pretty sure that AlMile have stated that themselves. They have the chance to not do the traditional story of Superman.



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If you saw Superman 2 then you know Lois Lane could not deal with the loss of Clark Kent/Superman, when he had to leave her for the world, so he had to erase her memory. With Chloe's feelings being more intense, than Lois, Chloe would be worse off than Lois was, and need a mind wipe as well. Hey !! That made me think of something. Maybe your wish could come true, and Chloe could live afterwards, if Clark had her mind wiped, when he was ready to leave her. Just a theory ! One in your favor ! LOL
But spoiler or not without seing it. The reason it was shown was for a way out of the Chloe character if they gave Chlarkers their wish. If they don't it won't ever be used in that way, and I'm sure they will find a new way to use it. I got that Info direct from my friends at DC Comics.

Well I havent seen Superman 2, but the whole mindwipe thing is kinda lame. If Chloe mind whammied then every character in Smallville that has meet Clark will have to have it too, including Lois, Lana, and Lex.

And honestly I'm not seeing any real reason y TPTB couldn't go ahead and do a Chlark ship for a period of time. The whole she will get hurt too badly and go mental isn't really working for me. And Chloe is too important of a character, in Smallville, to have that happen to. That would look really dumb on TPTB's part.



Did you know they toyed with the idea of doing a dream episode where Chloe dreams she and Clark get together, but it got pushed from the table. Hey !! They could bring that idea back !! And even if it's only a dream, you all still got what you want, and the storyline remains true. That my side could live with.

I didn't know they toyed with that idea, but Chlarkers getting a dream episode is not what we want. TRUST! Your side could live with it, but my side can't.



Anyways it was nice speaking with you again. Thank you for such nice debate replies !!

You're welcome and thank you too. :)


Originally posted by D.M.A.

Anyways off the debate subject,I haven't been to this thread much since the epi aired...But how did this thread lead to anti's tryin to convince chlarkers to give up...This thread was suppose to be about chlark in freak good/bad yet sumhow its about clois=future/chlark never happenin which is all opinion...Anyways I done voice my last on the topic,cause I see this jus might get close if 2 many keep up arguin sadly...Anyways glad sum anti's voice their opinions but I do see sum bias opinions tho,and jus felt the need to speakup.Cause not every chlarker thinks/belief is out of left field like sum anti's r suggestin.O well,debate up ya'll :rolleyes:

I was trying to figure that one out myself D.M.A. I just popped in and saw all these essays and I was like THA HELL??

Anywayz, ITA with everything you have just typed. Don't see y they think that Chlarkers are living in some land with fairy and pixie dust.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
I was trying to figure that one out myself D.M.A. I just popped in and saw all these essays and I was like THA HELL??

Anywayz, ITA with everything you have just typed. Don't see y they think that Chlarkers are living in some land with fairy and pixie dust.
yea me 2,I came in and saw all the long essay(And I thought I was bad wit typin alot :lol: )and wonder how the thread got so off topic.O well,I'll jus sit back and watch others debate cause all I'm seein is opinions fo real.Nothin is ruled out so I wont say chlarker's r dreamin when we dont kno the outcome of sv(only the outcome of superman which this isn't the story of).So as long as the possibility is there,there really is no need for discussion in this thread.Lets atleast try to get back to all the good chlark moments that did happen in Freak :\ ,I was jus lost when I came back and saw the rest of the posts :rolleyes: o well glad u agree atleast :)

[PhotoStarz]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I disagree,cause the show itself shows sumthin completely diff.Yes I kno of the superman myths and haven't been ignorin them but realize that AlMiles choose to tell their own story of the myths.Meanin that changes can happen leadin up to the end,jus as I kno clois is the future and may happen offscreen later.I jus dont rule out the possibility of chlark romantically happenin cause tptb show us ONSCREEN that their feelings runnin deeper than jus friendly.They hide behind the jus friends and thats why we haven't seen more take place,yes clark let her down in devoted(Once)but simply said atleast not right now.Meanin he didn't rule out he had feelings there but jus not strong enough to pursue more.I think even anti's have to admit that he does feel sumthin for her beyond friendship,we were shown in s1/s2 alil and even in devoted he didn't tell martha he didn't feel that way.All he said was "Prob is I'm not over lana yet,sumtimes I dont think I ever will",which lead to him lettin her down easy.But we saw in s1,2,bound,vessel/zod that he does feel sumthin more,but the prob is always lana.If anythin I have more prob wit him bein stuck on lana for so long...But I dont rule out chlark possibly datin before the show ends,even if clois is to happen later I dont care.I kno its meant for the future but doesn't mean that its meant for this show,jus cause lois is around doesn't mean clois will end the show.Thats what I think many chlarkers r tryin to get across is that we accept the future which cant be changed(Unless ur a chloiser,not all chlarker's r),but on this show nothin is set in stone not even clois.AlMiles have made it clear they r tellin their own story of the myths,so changes could happen.Plus I dont see how chlark in s7 or before the show ends could hurt since we do kno clois is the future/we may not see clois...Anythin is possible which is the point,what ur tryin to do is rule out the possibility but tptb constantly show us that anythin is possible.And if chlark does happen we could never say it came out of nowhere cause they've been buildin chlark friendship/trust/closeness and even physical attraction for 6 season now.So sorry I respectfully disagree,u may feel diff but ur opinion doesn't rule out the possibility that the show HAS setup.Sorry :)


I disagree wit them bein a perfect couple since even u agree that she is in luv wit clark.Yes she deserves sumone who puts her first but jimmy isn't the one sorry :p :)

Hi again
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Al/miles has gone alittle off the storyline here and there, with their own versions of what they thought, but only after getting approval from DC Comics and Time Warner who control the copywrites.
Their big problem with mixing Chloe and Clark as a couple for a while, is that DC Comics and Time Warner is against it, because it would mess up the true storyline of Clark Kent as a young man, since there was never a Chloe till Smallville, and it won't mesh with The Movies, they have already written the scripts for.
They could only do it as an Imaginary tale, or really do it , but then they would have to kill off the Chloe character before the Series Finale. Because in the real storyline, no one but the JLA members really know Clark's secret. Smallville has shown us, all of Clark's love interests that learn his secret die. The Indian girl from the caves, Alicia, and even Lana when he told her the first time. Sadly to have them get together would be the death kneel for Chloe, too in time. Smallville has established this fact.
The only way I can see them putting them together and having Chloe live, because like Lois in Superman 2 the movie, Chloe wouldn't be able to deal with losing Clark after having him, so her memory would have to be erased like with Lois in Superman 2, so she could remain alive, by DC Comics and Time Warners rules, or go crazy, which they set the stage for that, by showing her mother was mentally ill. Plus they also have to deal with the Pete Ross character before the show ends, to tie up all loose ends, so everything tie's in with the movies, and the storylines remain intact. See the problem the writers face doing what you want ?
It's a tough call, Chloe may die reguardless, due to the main fact she knows Clarks secret, and the storyline DC Comics wants maintained is no will know his secret, but the JLA.
Plus Time Warner doesn't want Clark Kent looking like a normal teen, in and out of love. Because his character is above that.
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Watch Bound again.. Chloe comes onto Clark, and Clark is visually, very embarassed and uncomfortable. I heard this one before from other Chlarkers it isn't a good point.
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Now if what you are saying were True, then how do you know it would be Chloe, he'd be with ? If anything can happen as you say, and they toss out the whole storyline. That would mean they could bring Lois in fast and Furious, and hook Clark up with her, since she is the True storyline, and fan's would be more willing to accept this. I'd be fine with your idea if they went away from the storyline alittle bit, but then reading the lastest Smallville magazine, would let us all know they are headed towards the Lois and Clark hook up, because that's where Al/Miles say they are headed in the future in the magazine.
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And since you have quoted them, you better read the Smallville magazine Lover's Lane, because they just shot your theory down.
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From what I read by Al/Miles they will be bringing Lois and Clark ever closer together in the Season ahead and then pulling away, because they know that's what fan's want. Plus Clark will start to focus on his destiny and the man he will become to the world.
No mention of Chloe being his love interest or a brief hook up, Sorry ! Lois owns that position. But I don't believe they should take it to far with them in Smallville, again because it doesn't follow the True storyline, and I don't believe DC Comics will let them go that far. But let's say your right and nothing is set in stone, though we all know it is, from the no fly rule, when Time Warner flexed their muscle, then they might just rush things with Clark and Lois, since the fans for that union, out weight the Chlarker fans a 1000 to 1 ! LOL Too many Baby Boomers on the side of Lois and Clark, and God they do have the numbers. There generation grew up with Clark Kent Loving Lois Lane. So really, who do you think they will pick ? If it is as you say ? Lois Lane for sure.
But even I don't want that right now, just like you, because it doesn't follow the true storyline. See my point ? We are out gunned by the creators of Superman on how they want their character portrayed and with who.
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As for the building of friendship and trust and closeness, Clark and Chloe have a great friendship. So why do all the Chlarkers think the only way it means something is if they get physical ?
Amazingly enough there are men and women out there that have those exact kind of friendships in real life, and they never get physical. Those friendships last forever, cross the line, and it changes, and they lose the innocence of their pure relationship, that can never be the same again, because one always get's hurt, and that would be Chloe. Friendship and sex don't mix, when you know how the ending really turns out. See my point now ?
Nice talking with you again.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz
Hi again
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Al/miles has gone alittle off the storyline here and there, with their own versions of what they thought, but only after getting approval from DC Comics and Time Warner who control the copywrites.
Their big problem with mixing Chloe and Clark as a couple for a while, is that DC Comics and Time Warner is against it, because it would mess up the true storyline of Clark Kent as a young man, since there was never a Chloe till Smallville, and it won't mesh with The Movies, they have already written the scripts for.
They could only do it as an Imaginary tale, or really do it , but then they would have to kill off the Chloe character before the Series Finale. Because in the real storyline, no one but the JLA members really know Clark's secret. Smallville has shown us, all of Clark's love interests that learn his secret die. The Indian girl from the caves, Alicia, and even Lana when he told her the first time. Sadly to have them get together would be the death kneel for Chloe, too in time. Smallville has established this fact.
The only way I can see them putting them together and having Chloe live, because like Lois in Superman 2 the movie, Chloe wouldn't be able to deal with losing Clark after having him, so her memory would have to be erased like with Lois in Superman 2, so she could remain alive, by DC Comics and Time Warners rules, or go crazy, which they set the stage for that, by showing her mother was mentally ill. Plus they also have to deal with the Pete Ross character before the show ends, to tie up all loose ends, so everything tie's in with the movies, and the storylines remain intact. See the problem the writers face doing what you want ?
It's a tough call, Chloe may die reguardless, due to the main fact she knows Clarks secret, and the storyline DC Comics wants maintained is no will know his secret, but the JLA.
Plus Time Warner doesn't want Clark Kent looking like a normal teen, in and out of love. Because his character is above that.
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Watch Bound again.. Chloe comes onto Clark, and Clark is visually, very embarassed and uncomfortable. I heard this one before from other Chlarkers it isn't a good point.
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Now if what you are saying were True, then how do you know it would be Chloe, he'd be with ? If anything can happen as you say, and they toss out the whole storyline. That would mean they could bring Lois in fast and Furious, and hook Clark up with her, since she is the True storyline, and fan's would be more willing to accept this. I be fine with your idea if they went away from the storyline alittle bit, but then reading the lastest Smallville magazine, would let us all know they are headed towards the Lois and Clark hook up, because that's where Al/Miles say they are headed in the future in the magazine.
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And since you have quoted them, you better read the Smallville magazine Lover's Lane, because they just shot your theory down.
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From what I read by Al/Miles they will be bringing Lois and Clark ever closer together in the Season ahead and then pulling away, because they know that's what fan's want. Plus Clark will start to focus on his destiny and the man he will become to the world.
No mention of Chloe being his love interest or a brief hook up, Lois owns that position. But I don't believe they should take it to far with them in Smallville, again because it doesn't follow the True storyline, and I don't believe DC Comics will let them go that far. But let's say your right and nothing is set in stone, though we all know it is, from the no fly rule, when Time Warner flexed their muscle, then they might just rush things with Clark and Lois, since the fans for that union, out weight the Chlarker fans a 1000 to 1 ! LOL Too many Baby Boomers on the side of Lois and Clark, and God they do have the numbers. There generation grew up with Clark Kent Loving Lois Lane. So really, who do you think they will pick ? If it is as you say ? Lois Lane for sure.
But even I don't want that right now, just like you, because it doesn't follow the true storyline. See my point ? We are out gunned by the creators of Superman on how they want their character portrayed and with who.
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As for the building of friendship and trust and closeness, Clark and Chloe have a great friendship. So why do all the Chlarkers think the only way it means something is if they get physical ?
Amazingly enough there are men and women out there that have those exact kind of friendships in real life, and they never get physical. Those friendships last forever, cross the line, and it changes, and they lose the innocence of their pure relationship, that can never be the same again, because one always get's hurt, and that would be Chloe. Friendship and sex don't mix, when you know how the ending really turns out. See my point now ?
Nice talking with you again.
sorry but I couldn't trust AlMiles interview in the mag since AlMiles have a way of contradictin themselves.Plus Al jus recently did an interview(Cant remember if it was TV Guide/if mag or what)where he says all they can and will do wit clois is tease alil,which is why they had crimson.But they wont go clois at all on sv,jus forshadow which is fine by me...let the comics/movies etc explain how they hookup like they been doin but Al himself says that this is diff from the comics,they dont have to follow.Which is true,they can take what they do kno from comics and twist it their own way to keep it interestin to us.Yes they may have said clois will grow closer soon but doesn't mean much since they also said oliver would make clark grow romantic feelings for lois which we didn't see when the ship happen.So sorry,jus cause they say it in the mag doesn't mean a thing if we dont see it onscreen.AlMiles r known to change things from what was said I wouldn't be so quick to take their words as complete truth,but there may be sum to it.It doesn't rule out chlark from happenin tho,cause even SDK recent spoke on his blog(Which also shoots down what u quoted from AlMiles in the mag)that the endpoint is clois which we kno...but as for chlark happenin anythin is possible because anythin could happen inbetween,its jus the endpoint they kno.We all kno and dont disagree that clois is the future,but it doesn't mean its the future of smallville sorry.So if chlark happens(Which SDK confirms is very possible)its not hard to believe that AlMiles could make the ship work or even break them up mutually wit chloe movin on.Who's to say she would take the breakup hard now knowin all about clark,I dont think she'd date him now if he wasn't over lana.So if chlark dated and it didn't work I can see chloe acceptin that it jus wasn't meant to be without bein mad.But i dont see her believin that if she never takes the risk,they've hid behind bein friends for 2 long.And even she doesn't kno what clark was goin to say in Zod,so at sum point she'll have to wonder if she has/miss her chance.So havin a ship could show her if it could/couldn't work,it wouldn't hurt chloe afterwards if they end up.But who's to say it would end on sv,AlMiles r confusin like that :lol: .What ur tryin to say it that its not possible and what I disagree wit is that it is.I dont mind that clois is the future,but none of us can predict how smallville will end since the comics only play a certain role to the show.Its up to AlMiles how they want to end it,and right now they seem to flip-flop on what direction they r goin in.So I respectfully disagree,will clois be the end point of sv I dont kno...its possible,but so is chlark,even if u choose to ignore what we see onscreen.


Anyways I said I was thru wit the debate on this thread shoot :mad: ,it jus sucked me back in :lol: .But iight I'm thru now,u can respond all u want.Luv to see others opinions but I'ma stick to the topic which was chlark in freak(And it was great :D ).

[PhotoStarz]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
Why hello! :)



Well I havent seen Superman 2, but the whole mindwipe thing is kinda lame. If Chloe mind whammied then every character in Smallville that has meet Clark will have to have it too, including Lois, Lana, and Lex.

And honestly I'm not seeing any real reason y TPTB couldn't go ahead and do a Chlark ship for a period of time. The whole she will get hurt too badly and go mental isn't really working for me. And Chloe is too important of a character, in Smallville, to have that happen to. That would look really dumb on TPTB's part.



I didn't know they toyed with that idea, but Chlarkers getting a dream episode is not what we want. TRUST! Your side could live with it, but my side can't.



You're welcome and thank you too. :)



I was trying to figure that one out myself D.M.A. I just popped in and saw all these essays and I was like THA HELL??

Anywayz, ITA with everything you have just typed. Don't see y they think that Chlarkers are living in some land with fairy and pixie dust.

Hi Kiddo !!
Let's talk shall we LOL

First thing I want to comment on "
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Well I havent seen Superman 2, but the whole mindwipe thing is kinda lame. If Chloe mind whammied then every character in Smallville that has meet Clark will have to have it too, including Lois, Lana, and Lex.

And honestly I'm not seeing any real reason y TPTB couldn't go ahead and do a Chlark ship for a period of time. The whole she will get hurt too badly and go mental isn't really working for me. And Chloe is too important of a character, in Smallville, to have that happen to. That would look really dumb on TPTB's part.

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True it is kind of lame, but watch " Freak !! They have already done it to Chloe, and in another episode already where Clark saves her. So Lame or not Al/Miles have done it to Chloe 3 times now. Once by a machine, the other by a meteor freak in the same show to help Clark protect his secret, from Chloe and Lois and the Sheriff, and again in " Freak. You better write Al/Miles and complain LOL
As for Lois and Lana and Lex and any other you may have forgot, they don't know his secret. Only Chloe does, and Pete.
Watch Superman 2 you will understand my point better then.
Al/Miles have to follow the guidelines with the Clark Kent Character, per Time Warner and DC Comics. And no one who knows his secret has lived, and if they did, they somehow lost their memories. It's even established in the 1950's George Reeves Superman series, when two criminals discover his secret and try to black mail him, so Superman takes them to one of the highest mountains, where they will have to live out their lives. When Superman leaves to go get them food, they try to go down the mountain and fall to their deaths.
Chloe won't be any different. They may come up with a way. I hope !! for both her and Pete, but right now they are loose ends that don't tie into the History of Clark Kent/Superman but Al/Miles have two more seasons to figure out what to do, to keep with DC Comics rules for Clark Kent, and having no one know his secret other than the JLA.
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How many tv shows have you watched and Loved through the years and they still killed off a main character at the end of the Series. In Star Trek Enterprise , they killed off Tripp on the last show of the Series Finale, and everyone loved him. He was a main character ! Loved just like Chloe is on Smallville.
In Buffy the Vampire Slayer Tara was killed off another main character. In Angel there was an uproar when they killed off Cordella a major character, and Angel's Love interest. I can go on but I think you got the point. Chloe can be killed off just like the one's I mentioned. Don't think it can't happen ! Series Finale's hold surprises. What are you going to do if it happens on the last show ? Stop watching LOL I have learned never rule death's of main characters out, no matter how much they are loved.
Writers will do it just to get more viewers for the last show. Chloe is a created for Smallville character, and can be killed off, because she isn't in the future storylines, so her death would not affect it in anyway. And since DC Comics can't have the show close with two people knowing Clarks secret, they may have to die somehow or be mindwiped as though they never knew.
Lana and Lex and Lois are safe they are main characters that cannot be killed off. They followed the storyline when they killed Jonathan Kent, not as in the comics or movies , but he still died to follow the original storyline. Everything in Smallville follows the original storyline, one way or another, and there's no avoiding it.
If you watch and listen to all the shows closely, you will find so many quotes and things tied in from the movies. Don't kid yourself they are still keeping close to the original with a few turns in the road, but they always head back down the right path.
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As for the dream get together, that may be why it was scraped, that I don't know for sure. I only know it was an idea on the drawing table.

Nice chatting with you again Best Wishes too you

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
sorry but I couldn't trust AlMiles interview in the mag since AlMiles have a way of contradictin themselves.Plus Al jus recently did an interview(Cant remember if it was TV Guide/if mag or what)where he says all they can and will do wit clois is tease alil,which is why they had crimson.But they wont go clois at all on sv,jus forshadow which is fine by me...let the comics/movies etc explain how they hookup like they been doin but Al himself says that this is diff from the comics,they dont have to follow.Which is true,they can take what they do kno from comics and twist it their own way to keep it interestin to us.Yes they may have said clois will grow closer soon but doesn't mean much since they also said oliver would make clark grow romantic feelings for lois which we didn't see when the ship happen.So sorry,jus cause they say it in the mag doesn't mean a thing if we dont see it onscreen.AlMiles r known to change things from what was said I wouldn't be so quick to take their words as complete truth,but there may be sum to it.It doesn't rule out chlark from happenin tho,cause even SDK recent spoke on his blog(Which also shoots down what u quoted from AlMiles in the mag)that the endpoint is clois which we kno...but as for chlark happenin anythin is possible because anythin could happen inbetween,its jus the endpoint they kno.We all kno and dont disagree that clois is the future,but it doesn't mean its the future of smallville sorry.So if chlark happens(Which SDK confirms is very possible)its not hard to believe that AlMiles could make the ship work or even break them up mutually wit chloe movin on.Who's to say she would take the breakup hard now knowin all about clark,I dont think she'd date him now if he wasn't over lana.So if chlark dated and it didn't work I can see chloe acceptin that it jus wasn't meant to be without bein mad.But i dont see her believin that if she never takes the risk,they've hid behind bein friends for 2 long.And even she doesn't kno what clark was goin to say in Zod,so at sum point she'll have to wonder if she has/miss her chance.So havin a ship could show her if it could/couldn't work,it wouldn't hurt chloe afterwards if they end up.But who's to say it would end on sv,AlMiles r confusin like that :lol: .What ur tryin to say it that its not possible and what I disagree wit is that it is.I dont mind that clois is the future,but none of us can predict how smallville will end since the comics only play a certain role to the show.Its up to AlMiles how they want to end it,and right now they seem to flip-flop on what direction they r goin in.So I respectfully disagree,will clois be the end point of sv I dont kno...its possible,but so is chlark,even if u choose to ignore what we see onscreen.


Anyways I said I was thru wit the debate on this thread shoot :mad: ,it jus sucked me back in :lol: .But iight I'm thru now,u can respond all u want.Luv to see others opinions but I'ma stick to the topic which was chlark in freak(And it was great :D ).

D.M.A, you made PERFECT SENSE;). . .I LOVED how you expressed your views. . .Some people, including myself, could really learn a lot from you, meaning "arguing" your case in a calm, relaxed fashion without throwing insults around:) You make us CHLARKERS PROUD;)

Like I've stated before:

CLANA = PAST
CHLARK = PRESENT
CLOIS = FUTURE

Enough said:)

[PhotoStarz]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
sorry but I couldn't trust AlMiles interview in the mag since AlMiles have a way of contradictin themselves.Plus Al jus recently did an interview(Cant remember if it was TV Guide/if mag or what)where he says all they can and will do wit clois is tease alil,which is why they had crimson.But they wont go clois at all on sv,jus forshadow which is fine by me...let the comics/movies etc explain how they hookup like they been doin but Al himself says that this is diff from the comics,they dont have to follow.Which is true,they can take what they do kno from comics and twist it their own way to keep it interestin to us.Yes they may have said clois will grow closer soon but doesn't mean much since they also said oliver would make clark grow romantic feelings for lois which we didn't see when the ship happen.So sorry,jus cause they say it in the mag doesn't mean a thing if we dont see it onscreen.AlMiles r known to change things from what was said I wouldn't be so quick to take their words as complete truth,but there may be sum to it.It doesn't rule out chlark from happenin tho,cause even SDK recent spoke on his blog(Which also shoots down what u quoted from AlMiles in the mag)that the endpoint is clois which we kno...but as for chlark happenin anythin is possible because anythin could happen inbetween,its jus the endpoint they kno.We all kno and dont disagree that clois is the future,but it doesn't mean its the future of smallville sorry.So if chlark happens(Which SDK confirms is very possible)its not hard to believe that AlMiles could make the ship work or even break them up mutually wit chloe movin on.Who's to say she would take the breakup hard now knowin all about clark,I dont think she'd date him now if he wasn't over lana.So if chlark dated and it didn't work I can see chloe acceptin that it jus wasn't meant to be without bein mad.But i dont see her believin that if she never takes the risk,they've hid behind bein friends for 2 long.And even she doesn't kno what clark was goin to say in Zod,so at sum point she'll have to wonder if she has/miss her chance.So havin a ship could show her if it could/couldn't work,it wouldn't hurt chloe afterwards if they end up.But who's to say it would end on sv,AlMiles r confusin like that :lol: .What ur tryin to say it that its not possible and what I disagree wit is that it is.I dont mind that clois is the future,but none of us can predict how smallville will end since the comics only play a certain role to the show.Its up to AlMiles how they want to end it,and right now they seem to flip-flop on what direction they r goin in.So I respectfully disagree,will clois be the end point of sv I dont kno...its possible,but so is chlark,even if u choose to ignore what we see onscreen.


Anyways I said I was thru wit the debate on this thread shoot :mad: ,it jus sucked me back in :lol: .But iight I'm thru now,u can respond all u want.Luv to see others opinions but I'ma stick to the topic which was chlark in freak(And it was great :D ).

LOL I Love it !! You even doubt the writers of the show LOL
You must have read the Smallville Lovers Lane, because Al says exactly what I said to you, and you just repeated to me. Lois and Clark will come together and then pull away again. ( Tease as you put it, but meaning the same thing.

I know the Industry well because I work in it, so to explain why they say things like the Ollie romance with Lois will bring Clark closer to Lois. That's to get more viewers that are pro Lois and Clark watching for it, and get higher rating, same thing when they hint about Chloe and Clark, then it's to get your side viewing and watching ! Oldest trick in the book, but you know what ??
We all fall for it LOL Your side and mine !! We want to Believe LOL
By the way where is this blog located so I can view it.
But my quote isn't shot down, I pointed out Lois and Clark won't hook up in Smallville, and I wouldn't want it that way, based on the true storyline, merely that Lois and Clark will be brought closer in the Seasons ahead, with some romantic encounters, that are instantly pulled back from, to keep the storyline complete ( Teasing us as you call it ), about them coming together later when he returns from his training with Jor El as Superman.
But you should keep an open mind, to what I have said about how everyone who knows die's. Smallville has proved my point over and over. In many episodes. You should look at that fact closely, and not close your eye's to it. Because serious main characters are killed off all the time in TV series, and there is a chance Chloe might be one of them, simpily for knowing the secret and not having it fit with the storyline, and I will keep an open mind to your hope of Chloe and Clark. I can't be fairer than that ! Great chatting with you again


Originally posted by chlark=destiny
D.M.A, you made PERFECT SENSE;). . .I LOVED how you expressed your views. . .Some people, including myself, could really learn a lot from you, meaning "arguing" your case in a calm, relaxed fashion without throwing insults around:) You make us CHLARKERS PROUD;)

Like I've stated before:

CLANA = PAST
CHLARK = PRESENT
CLOIS = FUTURE

Enough said:)

I agree that DMA has class and knows how to debate in a polite professional matter. Something some of the other Chlarkers should learn ! Hint ! Hint ! chlark=destiny LOL
But you know I adore you ( chlark=destiny )even if you do get mad. Someday we battlers are all going to have to meet all together and laugh about our battles, it would be fun. Come to Vegas and I'll buy the drinks all around !!

Ps you got in wrong ! LOL
Clana = still going, with no end !! When will it end ????
Chlark = ?????????????????????
Clois = quite a few years to go before happening


Originally posted by D.M.A.
sorry but I couldn't trust AlMiles interview in the mag since AlMiles have a way of contradictin themselves.Plus Al jus recently did an interview(Cant remember if it was TV Guide/if mag or what)where he says all they can and will do wit clois is tease alil,which is why they had crimson.But they wont go clois at all on sv,jus forshadow which is fine by me...let the comics/movies etc explain how they hookup like they been doin but Al himself says that this is diff from the comics,they dont have to follow.Which is true,they can take what they do kno from comics and twist it their own way to keep it interestin to us.Yes they may have said clois will grow closer soon but doesn't mean much since they also said oliver would make clark grow romantic feelings for lois which we didn't see when the ship happen.So sorry,jus cause they say it in the mag doesn't mean a thing if we dont see it onscreen.AlMiles r known to change things from what was said I wouldn't be so quick to take their words as complete truth,but there may be sum to it.It doesn't rule out chlark from happenin tho,cause even SDK recent spoke on his blog(Which also shoots down what u quoted from AlMiles in the mag)that the endpoint is clois which we kno...but as for chlark happenin anythin is possible because anythin could happen inbetween,its jus the endpoint they kno.We all kno and dont disagree that clois is the future,but it doesn't mean its the future of smallville sorry.So if chlark happens(Which SDK confirms is very possible)its not hard to believe that AlMiles could make the ship work or even break them up mutually wit chloe movin on.Who's to say she would take the breakup hard now knowin all about clark,I dont think she'd date him now if he wasn't over lana.So if chlark dated and it didn't work I can see chloe acceptin that it jus wasn't meant to be without bein mad.But i dont see her believin that if she never takes the risk,they've hid behind bein friends for 2 long.And even she doesn't kno what clark was goin to say in Zod,so at sum point she'll have to wonder if she has/miss her chance.So havin a ship could show her if it could/couldn't work,it wouldn't hurt chloe afterwards if they end up.But who's to say it would end on sv,AlMiles r confusin like that :lol: .What ur tryin to say it that its not possible and what I disagree wit is that it is.I dont mind that clois is the future,but none of us can predict how smallville will end since the comics only play a certain role to the show.Its up to AlMiles how they want to end it,and right now they seem to flip-flop on what direction they r goin in.So I respectfully disagree,will clois be the end point of sv I dont kno...its possible,but so is chlark,even if u choose to ignore what we see onscreen.


Anyways I said I was thru wit the debate on this thread shoot :mad: ,it jus sucked me back in :lol: .But iight I'm thru now,u can respond all u want.Luv to see others opinions but I'ma stick to the topic which was chlark in freak(And it was great :D ).

To DMA..
I just looked at your profile your only 23 years old. I should have known you were a Southern Gentleman. People from the South are raised with Moral's and Honor. I know I went every summer to my Grandparents home In Louisana, and I loved the Southern people. You do your parents proud young man, they raised you right. You are the most polite and respectful young man I have ever met ! Too bad you don't live in Las Vegas, your the type of young man I'd introduce to my 18 year old daughter Natasha who is a knock out. I have to beat the boy's away when I am home LOL The guy's in Las Vegas your age, most have no morals or Honor. Nice to learn Gentlemen in your generation still exist !!
Honor to know you
PhotoStarzMTV1

[PhotoStarz]

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
D.M.A, you made PERFECT SENSE;). . .I LOVED how you expressed your views. . .Some people, including myself, could really learn a lot from you, meaning "arguing" your case in a calm, relaxed fashion without throwing insults around:) You make us CHLARKERS PROUD;)

Like I've stated before:

CLANA = PAST
CHLARK = PRESENT
CLOIS = FUTURE

Enough said:)

WOW !! You came back ! That was quick chlark=destiny LOL
This thread is like a drug you can't go without. It's addicting just for the mental challenge. But fun at the same time. Stay and have fun, you are enjoyed by all us antiChlarks/ proClarklois fans, we all like you. DMA is a good one for your side.
Like you I can't stay away either. I creamed the leader of the Chlarkers in the debate match, she was no match for me, and fled from this thread LOL. But DMA shows promise LOL He shoud be the New Leader for you all. He;s good !! But so are you Dear !! Remember that !
Catch you both on the return round my friends ! And Greetings from the Beautiful City of Las Vegas

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz
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How many tv shows have you watched and Loved through the years and they still killed off a main character at the end of the Series. In Star Trek Enterprise , they killed off Tripp on the last show of the Series Finale, and everyone loved him. He was a main character ! Loved just like Chloe is on Smallville.
In Buffy the Vampire Slayer Tara was killed off another main character. In Angel there was an uproar when they killed off Cordella a major character, and Angel's Love interest. I can go on but I think you got the point. Chloe can be killed off just like the one's I mentioned. Don't think it can't happen ! Series Finale's hold surprises. What are you going to do if it happens on the last show ? Stop watching LOL I have learned never rule death's of main characters out, no matter how much they are loved.
Writers will do it just to get more viewers for the last show. Chloe is a created for Smallville character, and can be killed off, because she isn't in the future storylines, so her death would not affect it in anyway. And since DC Comics can't have the show close with two people knowing Clarks secret, they may have to die somehow or be mindwiped as though they never knew.
Lana and Lex and Lois are safe they are main characters that cannot be killed off. They followed the storyline when they killed Jonathan Kent, not as in the comics or movies , but he still died to follow the original storyline. Everything in Smallville follows the original storyline, one way or another, and there's no avoiding it.
If you watch and listen to all the shows closely, you will find so many quotes and things tied in from the movies. Don't kid yourself they are still keeping close to the original with a few turns in the road, but they always head back down the right path.
yeah, ummmm i thought killing trip was the single dumbest thing ever for that show. it served no purpose, and he didn't even die as part of some great buildup, some sacrifice. my memory is fading, as i intentionally put that out of my mind, but didn't he die a rather meaningless death? I don't think there's necessarily a problem with them showing more than one person knowing the secret. i'm just curious to see what makes you say that.

it's funny you should mention 'non superman' characters and stories to build your point. the main reason i know how i'd react if chloe was killed off is because the same type of thing has happened in other fiction i keep up with. i have every piece of starwars EU novel on my shelf, except a couple of the older stories, which i avoid for a reason. when they killed off a main character, but not one of the big three, that universe as well as the fans posting on the forum had the same type of reaction. i've actually posted questions here about it. and after it happened, even though the quality of the books didn't decline, they became less and less of a must read, and then i stopped reading altogether for a little while. i have since gotten into them again, but the story is still lacking something, and i think the same would happen in smallville.

[Mr. Wrong]

Tripp died saving the ship I seem to recall. So it was not in vain as you suggest. The worst thing they did in that show was have Tripp get romantic with T'Pal. They lost my fanship with that move. All of her chemistry was with the Captain. Tripp was no match for her and it was a sign of poor writing. IMO that signaled the decline in the ratings.
Chloe may be killed off to maintain Supersaga integrity but since her popularity is so huge I think it would be a drastic mistep by TPTB. Why not simply allow her to become another new superheroine? All of the other superheros and most of the superfoes know of CK's superpowers. She could be allowed to branch off into her own comic strip for that matter. Although SV has maintained most of the core fundamentals of the original canon they have injected a great deal of creativity that definitely veers away from the true storyline. E.G. CK sleeping with Lana, Lana sleeping with Lex, more meteor rock in Smallville than there is gold in Fort Knox, Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, and Lois Lane showing up in SV ever, etc.
Since CK is destined to spend at least a decade in training with Jorel surely that would bring to an end SV and that is supposed to take place before he is in his twenties I believe. Never the less, much like MASH lasted twice as long as the Korean war itself, there is no reason to be overly chronological.
My main beef with Chlarkers is that any romantic relationship between them is likely to end badly, if in fact it is at all physically possible! Personally I would prefer them to be life long friends rather than long forgotten lovers!IMO

[Skykisser]

I take it from Clark's perspective, this is a show about Clark after all. My problem with Chlark has always been that Chloe is Lois' cousin. I don't want them to drag Clark's character down like that. Him dating cousins would just be in bad form. It's better the way it is, Clark seeing Chloe as just a friend.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by Skykisser
I take it from Clark's perspective, this is a show about Clark after all. My problem with Chlark has always been that Chloe is Lois' cousin. I don't want them to drag Clark's character down like that. Him dating cousins would just be in bad form. It's better the way it is, Clark seeing Chloe as just a friend.


Ok what about Lois. If it makes Clark look bad, it would make Lois look bad too. Even if Chlark doesn't happen, it would make Lois look worse than Clark given the fact that she has know that her cousin wanted Clark and she was the one saying that Chloe doesn't need him and what not.

[greysfan511]

Originally posted by PhotoStarz
Oh Boy is New York fast !! I got into alot of fun things out there when I was single LOL MTV is the fast paced life for sure, and exciting. Now that I'm married, I just do my thing, and go to the Hotel room like a good boy LOL I had my first daughter when I was almost 20 years old, now at 46 she's 26 and going far.
I asked her one time to get Tom Wellings autograph, and she said "Dad ! You don't do things like that at Ralph Lauren LOL
Guess she got me told !! LOL
Last year at Creations Star Trek convention, I sold out on all photo cover Smallville comics and Card sets from each season.
Tom Welling is a hot mover on anything Smallville.
If you do get a chance to go, Look for a blond haired guy dressed like from the Matrix, that looks like a MovieStar, that will be me LOL We in MTV have an image to uphold LOL I have so many people that come up to me at those Conventions thinking I am. Once with my wife, I had 3 women in their early 20's come up to me, swearing they saw me in Star Trek, and trying to get an autograph LOL My wife teased me for day's about that.
Go to wireimage.com to see photo's from last years event.
Thank you about my former wife, she was my first love and High School sweetheart, and dead clone ringer for Lynda Carter who played Wonder Woman in the 70's, in fact she use to get paid to dress up and appear at conventions in the 1980's as Wonder Woman, because she so closely resembled her.
Tell your husband he's a good man !! He's on our side !! LOL
This has to be the best post on the site, there's some real battlers on here LOL. The new Chlarker has class, and get's her point across without being rude, like a few of the other one's, so I enjoy discussing views with her. By the way Shark coming on Thursday at 9 is bad for me, I watch Supernatural right after Smallville LOL Hooked on that one as well.
Only 8 more day's till " Promise !! Catch you on the flip side my friend. Talk with you tomorrow, when we see what the Chlarkers say to us next LOL


New York is fast!! I got into some things up there during my college years. LOL. I would guess your daughter couldn't get and autograph at high class stores like Ralph Lauren. If we do go I'll look for you! Matrix dressed, sounds intresting. I surely will go to that website, sounds like fun. WOW!! Yor first wife looked like Lynda Carter, cool. I wasn't even born yet, but I've seen the Wonder Woman stuff so ya! THe new Chlarker does have class, I'm talking to him over PM and he doesn't need to be ruthless to get his opinion across! I surely will tell my husband that for you. He really is a good man. I've known him since freshman year in highschool, so we've known each other for a while. I showed him the theories the Chlarkers came up with for Chloe's powers, he said that he couldn't believe that these Chlarkers are so not seeing the truth. Bummer about not being able to watch Shark, I also love Supernatual, I normaly record Shark and watch it later, cause Smallville and Supernatural come first. I have the first season of Supernatural, and all of Smallville. LOL. Yay, only 7 more days!! Talk to you later my ally.


Originally posted by PhotoStarz
LOL I Love it !! You even doubt the writers of the show LOL
You must have read the Smallville Lovers Lane, because Al says exactly what I said to you, and you just repeated to me. Lois and Clark will come together and then pull away again. ( Tease as you put it, but meaning the same thing.

I know the Industry well because I work in it, so to explain why they say things like the Ollie romance with Lois will bring Clark closer to Lois. That's to get more viewers that are pro Lois and Clark watching for it, and get higher rating, same thing when they hint about Chloe and Clark, then it's to get your side viewing and watching ! Oldest trick in the book, but you know what ??
We all fall for it LOL Your side and mine !! We want to Believe LOL
By the way where is this blog located so I can view it.
But my quote isn't shot down, I pointed out Lois and Clark won't hook up in Smallville, and I wouldn't want it that way, based on the true storyline, merely that Lois and Clark will be brought closer in the Seasons ahead, with some romantic encounters, that are instantly pulled back from, to keep the storyline complete ( Teasing us as you call it ), about them coming together later when he returns from his training with Jor El as Superman.
But you should keep an open mind, to what I have said about how everyone who knows die's. Smallville has proved my point over and over. In many episodes. You should look at that fact closely, and not close your eye's to it. Because serious main characters are killed off all the time in TV series, and there is a chance Chloe might be one of them, simpily for knowing the secret and not having it fit with the storyline, and I will keep an open mind to your hope of Chloe and Clark. I can't be fairer than that ! Great chatting with you again



I agree that DMA has class and knows how to debate in a polite professional matter. Something some of the other Chlarkers should learn ! Hint ! Hint ! chlark=destiny LOL
But you know I adore you ( chlark=destiny )even if you do get mad. Someday we battlers are all going to have to meet all together and laugh about our battles, it would be fun. Come to Vegas and I'll buy the drinks all around !!

Ps you got in wrong ! LOL
Clana = still going, with no end !! When will it end ????
Chlark = ?????????????????????
Clois = quite a few years to go before happening



To DMA..
I just looked at your profile your only 23 years old. I should have known you were a Southern Gentleman. People from the South are raised with Moral's and Honor. I know I went every summer to my Grandparents home In Louisana, and I loved the Southern people. You do your parents proud young man, they raised you right. You are the most polite and respectful young man I have ever met ! Too bad you don't live in Las Vegas, your the type of young man I'd introduce to my 18 year old daughter Natasha who is a knock out. I have to beat the boy's away when I am home LOL The guy's in Las Vegas your age, most have no morals or Honor. Nice to learn Gentlemen in your generation still exist !!
Honor to know you
PhotoStarzMTV1


yes yes you got it all right photostarz!!

Clana=now, when will it end??
Chlark=never, and ?????????
Clois=true future, in a couple years.

Well put my friend.

[cloisinmyheart]

oh come on, was there really that much chlark or was it more friendship

[Skykisser]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
Ok what about Lois. If it makes Clark look bad, it would make Lois look bad too. Even if Chlark doesn't happen, it would make Lois look worse than Clark given the fact that she has know that her cousin wanted Clark and she was the one saying that Chloe doesn't need him and what not.
Not at all, as long as they have Chloe move on and be happy beforehand, which you can see is what the writers have been working towards by bringing Jimmy in, it doesn't make Lois look bad at all because it's Chloe that's already rejected Clark in this scenario.

[svfan50]

Originally posted by Skykisser
Not at all, as long as they have Chloe move on and be happy beforehand, which you can see is what the writers have been working towards by bringing Jimmy in, it doesn't make Lois look bad at all because it's Chloe that's already rejected Clark in this scenario.


O..c'mon....its still verry much evident that Chloe hasn't moved on.....and perhaps never will......

I totally agree that it would really suck if TPTD have Clark and Lois get into something....I mean..how can a guy..who always complained to his parents that he wouldn't be able to share his total life with somebody move on without even giving a chance to THAT somebody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Watching Smallville]

I think in the Smaillville universe, Clark has three loves. He obviously loves Chloe, but Lana has a hypnotic effect on him -- as we saw in Blank -- that can't be denied. Something about Lois is going to overcome that. And I'd love to see a hint of what that will be before the series comes to an end.