Ratings for 'Trespass'

[Sk8erGur1]

Anyone know how the overnights look?

[Routh]

Ah, crap. You're right. Merge? Delete? Obliterate?

[Best Episode - 321]

In the 8 p.m. hour were NBC comedies My Name is Earl (6.4/10) and The Office (6.0/ 9), which will of course pick-up steam in the young adult demos, the CW’s Smallville (3.8/ 6), and Fox sitcoms ‘Til Death (3.3/ 5) and The War at Home (3.0/ 4). There was nothing unusual to report from 8-9 p.m. last night.


Smallville (3.8/ 6) Same as the last two weeks.


More detailed fast national ratings released later.

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The CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.67 million; A18-49: #5, 1.8/ 5), and Fox sitcoms ‘Til Death (Viewers: #4, 5.02 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 5) and The War at Home (Viewers: #5, 4.41 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5).

Half-hour Breakdown

8:00 p.m. V: 4.42 million, A18-49: 1.7/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.93 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 5


Season 6 Week-to-Week Comparison

09/28 Zod.....................4.96 million*
10/05 Sneeze...............4.52*
10/12 Wither................4.88*
10/19 Arrow.................4.71*
10/26 Reunion..............4.79*
11/02 Fallout................5.01*
11/09 Rage...................4.46*
11/16 Static..................4.70*
12/07 Subterranean........4.31*
01/11 Hydro...................4.68*
01/18 Justice..................5.26*
01/25 Labyrinth..............5.00*
02/01 Crimson................4.91*
02/08 Trespass...............4.67

* Final ratings

[azi]

Thanks...are we going down?

[mobiusklein]

Yes, it is. That should sink the crap out of the idea that Lana=ratings.

[Naomi]

Why has it dropped so much :confused:

[udtiger]

...but there seems to be something that should be considered with Smallville's ratings. Admittedly, they don't pull in the numbers that some other shows do, but you also have to consider that the vast majority of Smallville's viewers are in that younger demographic (18-30 [I think]) that advertisers drool over. So while more people may watch "Earl" (a fine show by the way, but my loyalties are with Smallville), you have a very good concentration of desireable viewers with Smallville.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Yes, it is. That should sink the crap out of the idea that Lana=ratings.

Thank You.


Also, the idea that Clana = Ratings.

HA!

[DayOfTheDead]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Yes, it is. That should sink the crap out of the idea that Lana=ratings. And give further creedence that crappy episodes *cough Subterranean cough* get crappier ratings regardless of who is the star.

[Best Episode - 321]

Remember that it was the Season Premiere of Survivor Fiji which might of had an impact on the ratings.


What I don't understand is the over 500,000 viewer jump (4.42 to 4.93) in the second half hour. I was very bored in the first half and if I wasn't such a loyal viewer I would have changed the channel. The last 5 minutes of the show was about all I found interesting.

[friday]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Remember that it was the Season Premiere of Survivor Fiji which might of had an impact on the ratings.



thank you. "Crimson's" overnight rating was only around 4.9 million.

[k18]

yeah Survivor premiered last night. Damn you CBS! But I think Smallville is doing pretty well compared to other CW shows.

[Best Episode - 321]

Smallville is still the CW's top rated scripted show and #2 for all shows only Top Model is higher.


The problem is the CW. Last week it was the number 6 network.

Based on ratings for the first week of the Feb. 2007 sweeps (Thursday, Feb. 1 – Wednesday, Feb. 7), Univision finished as the fifth-ranked network (ahead of the CW) in total viewers (4.17 million), adults 18-49 (2.33 million) and adults 18-34 (1.27 million).

[monstra]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
Thank You.


Also, the idea that Clana = Ratings.

HA!

Not really.. episode was promoted quite poorly compared to the previous 4, the trailer wasn't even that exciting and survivor was back.

Im not surprised really.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by monstra
Not really.. episode was promoted quite poorly compared to the previous 4, the trailer wasn't even that exciting and survivor was back.

Im not surprised really.


Oookay. ;)

[Routh]

HAHA!

Really, monstra? The trailer was all about Clana, and the ratings flopped. Hmm. Interesting.

I can't WAIT to hear the excuses the Clana fans think up.

[Somnium]

Well as long as the rating stays above the 4.5M it's ok.Thou if they will able to stay around the 5M I will be a lot more relaxed about the future of the series, I really though they'll learned from Justice and bring more mythos to the series.

[Sk8erGur1]

If they could stay above 4.5 I am cool, too. 5 would be gold, though.

[airun]

I dont understand , if you watch the show regulary why would you turn it half way , because you're bored?
that's not a true viewer and I don't think we need them kind of people watching

[Sk8erGur1]

What about people who TIVO the show as a whole to watch Ugly Betty?

[monstra]

Originally posted by Routh
HAHA!

Really, monstra? The trailer was all about Clana, and the ratings flopped. Hmm. Interesting.

I can't WAIT to hear the excuses the Clana fans think up.

I don't know, maybe I'll use the same excuse you guys used last week with the huge jump in ratings in Crimson between the Clois half and the Clana half ;)

[eas]

Originally posted by monstra
Not really.. episode was promoted quite poorly compared to the previous 4, the trailer wasn't even that exciting and survivor was back.

Im not surprised really.

Maybe you can say "Survivor" impacted the ratings, but I don't think you can say that the episode wasn't advertised well. I watched the CW on Tuesday and Wednesday & on both nights the episode was advertised very heavily. Just as heavily as "Crimson" and "Labyrinth" had been advertised previously. "SV" is one of their highest rated shows and they advertise it accordingly to draw in the Thursday audience.

Personally, I don't think that ships affect the ratings, either way. I think it's all about the plot. The plot of this episode seemed incredibly tired and old. Lana is researching Clark's secret... again. Lana has a stalker... again. Clark saves Lana... again. Whenever I watched the trailer, I felt like I was watching an episode from season 1 or season 2. Boring, really. This wasn't an "event" episode like the last three have been. (Two directly related to mythos with the Justice League and the Clark/Lois relationship explored & one that was an AU episode.) Given that, I'm not surprised the ratings went down.


Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
What I don't understand is the over 500,000 viewer jump (4.42 to 4.93) in the second half hour. I was very bored in the first half and if I wasn't such a loyal viewer I would have changed the channel. The last 5 minutes of the show was about all I found interesting.

This happens very regularly with SV and other one-hour shows on the CW. Remember when it was on the WB? They used to have that half an hour catch-up mark at 8:30 that said, "If you are just joining us...." because they knew that more people tune in at the end of the show just to see how it's resolved. Or because they were watching something that ended at 8:30 & they need something to keep them occupied until another show starts 9:00.

So I don't think it's about the plot or anything. Meaning, Crimson's ratings didn't rise in the last half hour last week b/c of the Clana vs. the Clois, as some have claimed. It's just the nature of the business -- as this week has proven & other weeks have, as well.

[monstra]

Doesn't prove why the jump was so big.. I agree that ratings tend to be higher in the last half hour, but the Crimson jump was insane.

This just goes to proove people really don't like to see Clark making out with random people.. Unsafe, Hypnotic, Crimson (first half) all prove this.

Now compare when Clana sex was promoted.. Slumber, Relic, Mortal..

[khol145]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
Thank You.


Also, the idea that Clana = Ratings.

HA!

True true..

[darkone]

I think the ratings are pretty good compared to the Lexana/Lollie arc in the first half of the season.

[friday]

Originally posted by eas
[B]Maybe you can say "Survivor" impacted the ratings, but I don't think you can say that the episode wasn't advertised well. I watched the CW on Tuesday and Wednesday & on both nights the episode was advertised very heavily. Just as heavily as "Crimson" and "Labyrinth" had been advertised previously. "SV" is one of their highest rated shows and they advertise it accordingly to draw in the Thursday audience.

There weren't any interviews or radio ads to coincide with "Trespass" unlike the heavy promotion for "Justice" and "Crimson".

[paolinki25]

I'm not surprised. When this show started to focused on the damn shippers, it went to hell. Look at the ratings for "Justice". That's what tells you what gets viewers. No Clana, no Lexana, not anything of that.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Did you all see the drop from Smallville to Supernatural? Wow. There is no excuse for that.

For the jump from the first half-hour to the second: Obviously, people are just watching Earl or 'Til Death and flipping over to Smallville when they're over.

The ratings are down this week, but it's had more competition than it's had in a long time. And, from the trailer, if I wasn't a Smallville fan, I wouldn't have watched last night.

Hopefully, with the better sounding plot next week, the ratings will go up again. Survivor usually drops off after the premiere anyways, doesn't it?

[BadToad]

There weren't any interviews or radio ads to coincide with "Trespass" unlike the heavy promotion for "Justice" and "Crimson".

Actually, there were radio ads for Trespass. I heard it several times. It basically played up Lana being stalked, talking about how a billionaire's security couldn't save her, then you hear her say "Clark" and him say "You're safe now".

Very definitely playing up the Clexana.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by monstra
I don't know, maybe I'll use the same excuse you guys used last week with the huge jump in ratings in Crimson between the Clois half and the Clana half ;)


There was no Clark and Lois in this episode.


Which half did better?

[Best Episode - 321]

Originally posted by airun
I dont understand , if you watch the show regulary why would you turn it half way , because you're bored?
that's not a true viewer and I don't think we need them kind of people watching

In six years, I've never missed an episode and have every episode (all 124 of them) on DVD. I think thats considered a true viewer and probably a senseless viewer for sticking through some horrible episodes.

I was very bored in the first half hour and was suprised that the viewers actually increased by 500,000 in the second half hour.

In my opinion, there was about 5 minutes of that episode that was worth while.

I stated this because the ratings in the second half contradict my assessment of the episode. If other, less loyal, viewers felt the same way the #'s would have dropped.

[monstra]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
There was no Clark and Lois in this episode.


Which half did better?

When? Crimson?

First Half:
8:00 p.m. V: 4.57 million, A18-49: 1.9/ 5

Second Half:
8:30 p.m. V: 5.30 million, A18-49: 2.2/ 5

You can't exactly say people tune in the second half hour cuz they watch My name is earl, since I think The Office airs in the second half hour, and it gets even better ratings than MNIE.

You can't expect ratings to come back like they were before just like that, in S4 the ratings didnt jump back to S3 ratings right away, not even in the last episodes of the season that had some Clana. Im just saying, it's rather weird that the ratings are at it's strongest point when Clark and Lana are together.

And this episode was so not pimped as much as the last 4 ones, I mean not even people at Sweet knew wtf was up with the trailer cuz it was so freaking weird, making us less excited about the episode.

[eas]

Originally posted by monstra
Doesn't prove why the jump was so big.. I agree that ratings tend to be higher in the last half hour, but the Crimson jump was insane.

This just goes to proove people really don't like to see Clark making out with random people.. Unsafe, Hypnotic, Crimson (first half) all prove this.

Now compare when Clana sex was promoted.. Slumber, Relic, Mortal..

I believe the jump was about the same... 500,000 viewers. Which seems to be the average amount that SV jumps in viewership the second half, regardless of plot.

I agree with you that people don't want to see shameless making-out scenes w/o plot. However, they promoted the Clark/Lois making out (as well as Clana forced kissing) quite heavily for "Crimson" and the episode still pulled in more viewers than this episode did -- which didn't feature any make-out scenes at all.

So, imo, it's all about whether it follows the mythos in some way. "Crimson" was about the Lois/Clark relationship -- something that is firmly entrenched in the Superman mythos tradition. I'm not surprised that episode pulled in viewers since this episode was of the more generic variety.

[monstra]

Jump was almost 800,000.. like I said before, not even Justice got that big ass jump from half hour to half hour.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by monstra
When? Crimson?

First Half:
8:00 p.m. V: 4.57 million, A18-49: 1.9/ 5

Second Half:
8:30 p.m. V: 5.30 million, A18-49: 2.2/ 5

You can't exactly say people tune in the second half hour cuz they watch My name is earl, since I think The Office airs in the second half hour, and it gets even better ratings than MNIE.

You can't expect ratings to come back like they were before just like that, in S4 the ratings didnt jump back to S3 ratings right away, not even in the last episodes of the season that had some Clana. Im just saying, it's rather weird that the ratings are at it's strongest point when Clark and Lana are together.

And this episode was so not pimped as much as the last 4 ones, I mean not even people at Sweet knew wtf was up with the trailer cuz it was so freaking weird, making us less excited about the episode.


I'm speaking on this epsiode. The one that just aired. The one where there was no Clark and Lois.

Which half did better? The half with no clois or no clois?


Everyone tries to imply that Clark and Lana are the reason the ratings do well. I just think it's crazy how people think a certain ship brings in ratings.

[kkjdt]

I really don't like Lana centric episodes.... but I still watch it......
I wish it would of had more Chloe clark stuff in it...

[eas]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
I'm speaking on this epsiode. The on that just aired. The one where there was no Clark and Lois.

Which half did better? The half with no clois or no clois?


I just think it's crazy how people think a certain ship brings in ratings.

The second half did better, just like it usually does with SV episodes.


Originally posted by monstra
Jump was almost 800,000.. like I said before, not even Justice got that big ass jump from half hour to half hour.

So your opinion is that about 300,000 viewers avoided the first half due the RedK Clois & just tuned in for the Clana in the end? I mean, given that about 500,000 typically tune in for the 2nd half anyway (regardless of plot) then it stands to reason that math adds up to about 300,000 Clana fans boycotting the first half of the episode, right? And this is only if we don't take into account that more people were willing to tune in for the ending just because it was an "event" episode & they were more curious than they typically are.

By how much did the total veiwership go down from "Crimson" to "Trespass"? What's the numbers on that? Because that would give something to compare. Meaning, how many people decided to not watch the show at all because it focused on Clana? About 240,000 people, right? These are people who didn't want to watch the episode at all because it was about Lana.

Because, honestly, if those 300,000 people you're so proud of for the "Crimson" ep are all that important, where were they for "Trespass"?? By all accounts, this episode should have gone up in ratings by at least that much for the whole episode b/c these are the people who only tuned into "Crimson" for Clana, right?? Instead of going down by 240,000??? Are you saying they didn't get the memo that "Trespass" was about Lana/Clana? Because I thought the trailers were pretty obvious.

In short: You can't really say that Clana brings in ratings. Honestly, you can't. Because these two episodes aired back to back and proved that Clana doesn't = ratings. The overall figures for "Trespass" wouldn't have gone down if it did. They would increased by at least 300000 (the same number you claim increased the ratings for the 2nd half of "Crimson").

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by eas
The second half did better, just like it usually does with SV episodes.


eas, love your avi and accompanying tagline :D

[eas]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
eas, love your avi and accompanying tagline :D

Well, thank you. Coming from a Chlarker, that's a huge compliment. :)

[Routh]

Originally posted by monstra
Jump was almost 800,000.. like I said before, not even Justice got that big ass jump from half hour to half hour.
Um, because everyone who was going to watch Justice was watching it from the beginning!

I'm pretty sure no one agrees with the theory that Clana brought in ratings for the second half of Crimson. How on Earth would anyone know it would be in the second half? And please, you have to give me a better excuse than the trailer, which doesn't give anyone any indication that certain parts of the episode will be filled with certain things. Unless all of the viewers are psychic.

Just face the facts. This was the self-proclaimed Clana episode that most Clana fans last week said would get higher ratings because of the trailer. And what happened?

I'm not one to attest ratings for one ship or another, but thinking that Clana brings in SO MANY VIEWERS and to say it lands the show an extra millions views is ridiculous.

[canon]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321



Thanks for the half hour breakdown. Seems like Smallville always pickup viewership in the second half hour regardless of ship. It's quite obvious that there are other shows in the 8 o'clock time slot that viewers prefer to watch. The same thing happened in last week episode.



Originally posted by Routh
[B]Um, because everyone who was going to watch Justice was watching it from the beginning!



Yeap !!! Well said.

[Scribe]

Look the episode wasn't that good. Lana in trouble has been done to death. The only way they could even remotely interest the audience was to imply that Lana might find out the truth about Clark. Other than that, there was very little to recommend it. Frankly the Clana thing is what's driving this show down. The viewers they got when this show first started have had six years of watching this ship see saw up and down. They've also grown older and have engaged in adult relationships which make what's going on between Lana and Clark ridiculous. The newer audience can't get into it because they don't have the history and might be why they like the Chlark and the Clois thing so much more, because that has the chance of developing into something as opposed to stagnating like Clana.

[Vala]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Yes, it is. That should sink the crap out of the idea that Lana=ratings.
Everytime something dosn't go well, you are blaming Lana. So pathetic!


Originally posted by kkjdt
I really don't like Lana centric episodes.... but I still watch it......
I wish it would of had more Chloe clark stuff in it...
To much Chloe for my taste...

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Routh
I'm pretty sure no one agrees with the theory that Clana brought in ratings for the second half of Crimson. How on Earth would anyone know it would be in the second half? And please, you have to give me a better excuse than the trailer, which doesn't give anyone any indication that certain parts of the episode will be filled with certain things. Unless all of the viewers are psychic.

This is precisely the argument I made in another thread. Justice was the most successful episode this season is terms of viewership and was unique in the sense that unlike most of the episodes this season, viewership was was more or less consistent for the entire hour. Smallville has typically gained viewers in the last half hour in just about every episode this season.


I'm not one to attest ratings for one ship or another, but thinking that Clana brings in SO MANY VIEWERS and to say it lands the show an extra millions views is ridiculous.

Agreed.

[Bosrudorfer]

What about last season, anyone have ratings on those to compare to these?

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by eas
Well, thank you. Coming from a Chlarker, that's a huge compliment. :)

Well, it's a very sexy pic of the two, but I have to admit the tagline is what gives me jitters (in a good way:)).

[HnK]

Well, 2 hours efter it was released on a swedish p2p torrent site it had 14,000 downloads, now up at 53,000. Count in everyone WANTING to watch it on the CW all around the world, then damn, it would be high.

[Ania]

Originally posted by monstra
Jump was almost 800,000.. like I said before, not even Justice got that big ass jump from half hour to half hour. Sounds like people who watched the first half spread the news that it's a great episode (because of Clois) and that's why the second half had bigger audience. Unless you think everybody knew from the beginning that the first half is about Clois and second half is about Clana.

[krag3r]

Not sure how many of you know this already, but if you check a certain popular bittorrent search-engine website, you will find that Smallville is practically always in the top 10 downloads. This includes TV shows, films, applications and even games on all formats surpassed by only prison break, lost and heroes. If you ask me, that is pretty impressive.

[emsfan]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
What about last season, anyone have ratings on those to compare to these?



*Final numbers summary of viewership for last season 4.*




1. Crusade............final number 6.1 million viewers.
2.Gone.................final number 5.7 million viewers.
3.Facade..............final number 5.5 million viewers.
4.Devoted............final number 6.2 million viewers.
5.Run...................final number 5.4 million viewers.
6.Transference......final number 5.7million viewers.
7.Jinx.....................final number 5.0 million viewers.
8. Spell..................final number 5.5 million viewers.
9. Bound.......... .....final number 5.1 million viewers.
10. Scare .............final number 4.9 million viewers.
11.Unsafe.............. final number 4.2 million viewers.
12.Pariah............. final number 4.8 million viewers.
13. Recruit........... final number 4.9 million viewers.
14.Krypto ..............final number 5.1 million viewers.
15. Sacred ............final number 5.3 million viewers.
16. Lucy................ final number 4.5 million viewers.
17. Onyx.............. final number 3.9 million viewers.
18. Spirit........... ...final number 4.4 million viewers.
19. Blank........... ...final numbers is 4.6 million viewers.
20. Ageless.......... final numbers is 4.5 million viewers.
21. Forever............final number 4.0 million viewers.
22. Commencement.......final number 5.5 million viewers






*Summary of season 5 viewership (In the millions).*


1. Arrival................. Final number 5.9 million viewers.
2. Mortal................. Final number 5.9 million viewers (WB Network)
3. Hidden.................Final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua....................Final number 6.4 million viewers.
5. Thirst...................Final Number 5.8 million viewers ( WB Network & USA Today)
6. Exposed...............Final Number 5.4 Million Viewers
7. Splinter................Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers
8. Solitude...............Final Number 6.0 Million Viewers
9. Lexmas................Final Number 5.4 Million Vewiers (ABCmedianet.com)
10. Fanatic..............Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers
11. Lockdown..........Final Number 5.0 million Viewers.
12. Reckoning..........Final Number 6.3 million Viewers.
13. Vengence..........Final Number 5.4 million Viewers.
14. Tomb.................Final Number 5.4 million Viewers.
15. Cyborg..............Final Number 6.2 million Viewers.
......LEXENA CRAP.......
16. Hypnotic...........Final Number 4.8 million viewers.
17.Void...................Final Number 4.2 million viewers.
18. Fragile..............Final Number 3.9 million viewers (ABCmedianet.com)
19. Mercy............... Final Number 4.4 million viewers
20 Fade..................Final number 4.3 million viewers.
21 Oracle................Final number 4.8 million viewers
22 Vessel...........Final number 4.9 million viewers


*Season 6 ratings so far:*


1. Final number for Zod......5.0 million viewers.
2. Final number for Sneeze.....4.5 million viewers.
3. Final number for Wither 4.9 million viewers.
4. Final number for Arrow....4.7 million viewers.
5. Final number for Reunion....4.8 million viewers.
6. Final number for Fallout...5.0 million viewers.
7. Final number for Rage......4.5 million viewers.
8. Final number for Static......4.7 million viewers.
9. Final number for Subterranean......4.3 million viewers.
10. Final number for Hydro......4.7 million viewers.
11.Final number for Justice..........5.3 million viewers.
12. Final number for Labyrinth..........5.0 million viewers.
13. Final number for Crimson......5.0 million viewers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




High for Season 5:.... 6.4 million (Aqua). Low 3.9 million (Fragile)

High for Season 4:... 6.2 million (Devoted). Low 3.9 million (Onyx)

High for Season 3:.... 6.9million (Slumber). Low 4.2 million (Memoria.)

[Supermansthebest]

Umm...the biggest problem with ratings going down since the beginning of the show is loss of younger audience. Smallville strted out when I was in high school, its the shows 6th year and me and a lot of other friends who loved the show went to collages and universities. Some of us dont have TV's, some of us r in other countries, most of the ppl I know r in Medschools in Poland and other European countries where u dont get the show. I know they miss the show, I'm in Canada so lucky and get to watch the show regularly. Other ppl grew up and moved on...so it really is sucky. I wish they could advertise the show better and try to pull in more audience.

[Best Episode - 321]

Final ratings ticked up

SMALLVILLE
- 4,742,000 viewers
- 2.8/4 HH
- 1.9/5 A18-49
- 2.1/6 A18-34


Season 6 Week-to-Week Comparison

09/28 Zod.....................4.96 million*
10/05 Sneeze...............4.52*
10/12 Wither................4.88*
10/19 Arrow.................4.71*
10/26 Reunion..............4.79*
11/02 Fallout................5.01*
11/09 Rage...................4.46*
11/16 Static..................4.70*
12/07 Subterranean........4.31*
01/11 Hydro...................4.68*
01/18 Justice..................5.26*
01/25 Labyrinth..............5.00*
02/01 Crimson................4.91*
02/08 Trespass...............4.74*

* Final ratings

[Sk8erGur1]

WOW.


lol.

[Vala]

Originally posted by Nospam


This is precisely the argument I made in another thread. Justice was the most successful episode this season is terms of viewership and was unique in the sense that unlike most of the episodes this season, viewership was was more or less consistent for the entire hour. Smallville has typically gained viewers in the last half hour in just about every episode this season.



Agreed. [/B]

Justice got a big buzz and the raiting was 5.26 and also Crimson (4.91)
Trespass didn't get any than usual and he got 4.74 .
so i think the rating was good.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Vala
Justice got a big buzz and the raiting was 5.26 and also Crimson (4.91)
Trespass didn't get any than usual and he got 4.74 .
so i think the rating was good.

Trespass doesn't look any better or any worse than the rest of the episodes this season, ratings wise.

The point I was trying to make is that with the exception of one episode, Justice, the pattern all season has been for the show to pick up viewers in the last half of the episode. Attempting to use that fact to buttress an argument that Clana is the heart of the show is ridiculous.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Im glad the final number went up.

You can't exactly say people tune in the second half hour cuz they watch My name is earl, since I think The Office airs in the second half hour, and it gets even better ratings than MNIE.
Although The Office does do better in the adult 18-49 demo, MNIE has more actual viewers. ;)

I hope that the viewership for "Freak" is better than this weeks episode, although the trailer does make it look a little weird. I hope it doesnt scare casual viewers away. (At least its not as weird as Supernatural's.)
Oh, and NOspam, episode titles are put in parentheses, not italics. ;) :P

[Vala]

Originally posted by Nospam
Trespass doesn't look any better or any worse than the rest of the episodes this season, ratings wise.

The point I was trying to make is that with the exception of one episode, Justice, the pattern all season has been for the show to pick up viewers in the last half of the episode. Attempting to use that fact to buttress an argument that Clana is the heart of the show is ridiculous.
I see. well i don't like all these fights...Lexan...Clana...Who cares!
Let me enjoy from Smallville (and Lana ;) )

[CallMeClark]

Wow. Smallville use to pull in 6.9 million? Wish it still did.

[monstra]

4.74.. thats pretty good considering the promotion for this episode and that it was up against survivor :)

I love how the second arc is getting much better ratings than the first arc.. and it's the other way around most of the time..

[Sk8erGur1]

All thanks to the powerhouse that was 'Justice' and the well written episodes that followed. Still think we could ahve done better.

And people still watch Survivor?

[Routh]

thats pretty good considering the promotion for this episode
What does that mean, exactly? I always have The CW on the TV for background noise, and the Trespass trailer was played SO MUCH more than the trailer for Justice or Labyrinth.

monstra, you yourself said last week that since the trailer was focused on your ship, that we would see the ratings go significantly up. Now you're saying that they didn't go up because the trailer wasn't shown enough? Hmm.

[eas]

Originally posted by Scribe
Look the episode wasn't that good. Lana in trouble has been done to death. The only way they could even remotely interest the audience was to imply that Lana might find out the truth about Clark. Other than that, there was very little to recommend it. Frankly the Clana thing is what's driving this show down. The viewers they got when this show first started have had six years of watching this ship see saw up and down. They've also grown older and have engaged in adult relationships which make what's going on between Lana and Clark ridiculous. The newer audience can't get into it because they don't have the history and might be why they like the Chlark and the Clois thing so much more, because that has the chance of developing into something as opposed to stagnating like Clana.

Agreed. When a person watched the trailers, it was obvious that this was going to be a generic "Lana has a stalker" episode. It had "filler" written all over it. And as for the Clana stuff -- yeah, there are Clana fans out there that watch only for Clana. But they don't exceed the number of fans who stop watching because of Clana. The figures for "Trespass" tell us at least that much.

However, I still think that ratings have nothing to do with ships. I think it all comes down to the plot -- viewers decide if they think the episode is going to be boring or kind of different. I, for one, usually try to watch SV as soon as possible after I've TiVo'd it. However, this time around, I didn't really care when I watched it and waited a day. If I didn't have TiVo, I probably wouldn't have watched it at all (as it was, I did forward through a lot of it).

I also think that mythos-related episodes get a ratings spike for "SV" because they get promoted by mainstream media a lot more. (Like MM in "Labyrinth", the GA arc, and the Justice League episode. I also think that "Crimson" got a lot of attention in mainstream media because of the Clark/Lois angle that hadn't been explored before.)

[Jetta]

I don't agree with what people are saying is causing the rise in ratings in the second half of episodes. Without more information, how could we know. With Crimson, for all we know people who were watching the first half, told those who weren't watching that serious Clois action was happening. More people tuned in to see it and got... Clana. Or maybe people who were watching told those who weren't that Clark did a superjump and that meant he's use more powers. More people tuned in to see it and got... Clana. Or maybe people watching said that Clana was coming up. People tuned in to see it and got... Clana. The point is, we don't know for sure what causes them jump. Some are saying that it always happens, that would indicate that no relationship has any impact on the jump. The one thing that I do notice, is that Justice got the best ratings, which could very well mean that action/mythos related episodes bring in the big ratings. I know they appeal to me.

[sstray72]

It's simple as this. Smallville is in it's 6th season and NO SHOW will retain their original core audience this late in the game as the premise begins to get stale. The remaining CORE Smallville audience will watch the show regardless so therefore the ratings will fluctuate around the same average numer. The fluctuations are most likely caused by a combination of new viewers and non-core Smallville fans that are drawn by advertisement, but will only affect the ratings slightly, for example, the rise for Justice. Strong episodes will keep some of these non-core viewers around for a new episode, but if the new one is not strong some of the returning viewers will leave causing a gradual return to the CORE number. Sometimes some core viewers will get disgusted with a poor episode and maybe not watch causing the ratings to go below the CORE number, but will return when they learn of a favorable episode causing the number to return to CORE levels.

There are SO MANY fandoms and preferences for a this show so it is practically impossible to say that a singular preference is what causes most ratings fluctuation. What CAN be said is that well-written stories, continuity, and plot that can appeal to as many people as possible will stablize ratings.

[eas]

Originally posted by sstray72
There are SO MANY fandoms and preferences for a this show so it is practically impossible to say that a singular preference is what causes most ratings fluctuation. What CAN be said is that well-written stories, continuity, and plot that can appeal to as many people as possible will stablize ratings.

Agree 100%.

[monstra]

Originally posted by Routh
What does that mean, exactly? I always have The CW on the TV for background noise, and the Trespass trailer was played SO MUCH more than the trailer for Justice or Labyrinth.

monstra, you yourself said last week that since the trailer was focused on your ship, that we would see the ratings go significantly up. Now you're saying that they didn't go up because the trailer wasn't shown enough? Hmm.

When did I say this? I really can't remember so if you could quote me from the post where I said this..

I never said the trailer wasn't shown enough, what I said was the trailer was weak in terms of storyline, it was creepy and It showed us nothing in concrete. That's what Im saying. Comparing this trailer to the trailers from the last episodes this was the weakest one. And c'mon, we've had all this buzz around justice and crimson for a long time now, you can't be serious when you say there was that much expectation for Trespass too.

Point is, overnights were the same, and that's what matters when it comes to advertising.. I'd think that losing 180,000 to survivor wasn't that bad.

We'll see how ratings go next week, since IMO the trailer was weak too, and I have no interest whatsoever in the episode.

[Sk8erGur1]

The episode was weak as well.


eta:


The trailer for next weeks episode just looked freaky to me.

[monstra]

I agree.

It was an overused storyline that we've seen over and over again for years. I did like the episode but I dislike recycled (sp) plots too.

And even if this episode had gotten 6 million viewers, the people from Ksite would still not face the fact that the casual viewer *doesnt* hate Clana and that the world doesnt revolve around the Clana hate at this site.

[chlarkfan333]

No one can say what the 'casual' viewer likes or dislikes without an UNBIASED i.e. scientific poll. I know at least 3 casual/infrequent viewers who loathe Lana/Clana, but I cannot infer that Clana hate is the norm based on that.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by monstra
I agree.

It was an overused storyline that we've seen over and over again for years. I did like the episode but I dislike recycled (sp) plots too.

And even if this episode had gotten 6 million viewers, the people from Ksite would still not face the fact that the casual viewer *doesnt* hate Clana and that the world doesnt revolve around the Clana hate at this site.

No, your assuming that we're saying that the casual viewer hates Clana. What we are saying is that your wrong for saying that 'clark and lana brings in ratings' when this is hard to determine if this is true with so many factors into play.

If anything, you the one implying that *noone* watches for anything but Clark and Lana more or less.

The world doesn't revolve around around Clark and Lana, either, dude. ;)

[monstra]

Just like I can tell you I know people who like Clana, Im not saying I know exactly what the casual viewer wants to see, but you just gotta look at the numbers to get an idea as to what people like and don't like.

For example, you can't say everyone loves Lexana when the numbers don't reflect that, having the lowest rated episode being Lexana centered two years in a row says a lot IMO.

Okay then, Season 5 numbers were all about Brainiac, that's what got the good ratings, cuz you know how every woman in america is a Comic fan, when I see a show that's just what im looking for, to hell with romance and the relationships in the show! :rolleyes: This discussion is pointless.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by monstra
Just like I can tell you I know people who like Clana, Im not saying I know exactly what the casual viewer wants to see, but you just gotta look at the numbers to get an idea as to what people like and don't like.

For example, you can't say everyone loves Lexana when the numbers don't reflect that, having the lowest rated episode being Lexana centered two years in a row says a lot IMO.

If you are referring to ratings as numbers, you are missing the primary objection I posed. Ratings are NOT reflective of casual viewers. The ONLY way to get an accurate account of the average viewer's interests is by a scientific poll.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by monstra
Just like I can tell you I know people who like Clana, Im not saying I know exactly what the casual viewer wants to see, but you just gotta look at the numbers to get an idea as to what people like and don't like.

For example, you can't say everyone loves Lexana when the numbers don't reflect that, having the lowest rated episode being Lexana centered two years in a row says a lot IMO.

Okay then, Season 5 numbers were all about Brainiac, that's what got the good ratings, cuz you know how every woman in america is a Comic fan, when I see a show that's just what im looking for, to hell with romance and the relationships in the show! :rolleyes: This discussion is pointless.



It isn't pointless... some people just have an unbiased, less frustrating view of things.

[CallMeClark]

Pretty good considering it was all Clana-like.

[Jetta]

Originally posted by monstra
Point is, overnights were the same, and that's what matters when it comes to advertising.. I'd think that losing 180,000 to survivor wasn't that bad.

That is an unsubstantiated claim. There is no evidence saying that the 180 000 lost viewers didn't watch only because of Survivor. Perhaps the those viewers went to bed early because they didn't like the idea of Clana. I'm NOT in any way saying that is why the ratings dropped, I'm just pointing out that the reason for the drop is unknown, it could have been due to any number of reasons.

[Routh]

For example, you can't say everyone loves Lexana when the numbers don't reflect that, having the lowest rated episode being Lexana centered two years in a row says a lot IMO.
You know what? No one claims that. You happen to dislike Lexana, fine. But nobody claims that ratings are attributed to any one ship. Except for you, apparently.

Okay then, Season 5 numbers were all about Brainiac, that's what got the good ratings, cuz you know how every woman in america is a Comic fan, when I see a show that's just what im looking for, to hell with romance and the relationships in the show! This discussion is pointless.
You're right. It is pointless. YOU may watch it for one particular romance, but it's widely known that people watch mostly for the mythos.

[supes0]

you know how every woman in america is a Comic fan,

Like me!! :)

Silver age/iron age/post crisis/post infinite crisis, love 'em.

Post infinite crisis Superman so far has been really good, a blend of the modern era and the good stuff from the silver age (Krypton, Mon-El, Legion, hopefully the insect queen, etc!) . I hope Smallville does more mythos related episodes and less shipping!

[Best Episode - 321]

Ratings for the week of Feb. 5-11

CW Shows

Ranking.......Overall...............Program....... .....................Ratings
1.................87................. Friday Night Smackdown.......CW 4.83
2.................90................. Smallville.............................CW 4.74
3.................91................. Gilmore Girls.........................CW 4.70
4.................97................. Beauty and the Geek (Wed.) CW 4.21
5...............108................. Reba (7:30 p.m.)................. CW 3.24

6...............110................. Everybody Hates Chris ...........CW 3.16
7...............112................. 7th Heaven......................... CW 2.90
8...............113................. Supernatural........................ CW 2.84
9...............114................. All of Us...............................CW 2.74
10.............116................. One Tree Hill ........................CW 2.73

11.............118................. Girlfriends..............................CW 2.71
12.............120................. The Game.............................CW 2.63
13.............121................. Reba (7 p.m.)........................CW 2.56
14.............122................. Veronica Mars.........................CW 2.40
15.............125 .................Beauty and the Geek (Sun.).... CW 1.43

[MidgardDragon]

15.............125 .................Beauty and the Geek (Sun.).... CW 1.43


Yeowch. I'm guessing Beauty and the Geek won't be back for another season. It sucked this year anyways.

[vyperman7]

The fact remains is that people tune in for episodes that forshadow. That is why eps with guest heroes and episodes like Rosetta pull in so many viewers. I know that the one thing that has really turned me off of this show over the years, is too much focus on angst ridden romance. Romance has a place in the show, but it isn't balanced with the mythology and character development anymore. It has become the main focus.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Someone posted the ratings for seasons 4-6 a few pages back, thanks for that. I noticed something interesting about two of my favorite episodes, Onyx and Memoria: both of them scored the lowest ratings. IMO Memoria is probably one of the best written episodes in the history of Smallville. The same goes for Onyx. I think almost everyone here will agree with me. Now the question is: what can possibly be the reason for the low ratings? :confused:

[Best Episode - 321]

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15.............125 .................Beauty and the Geek (Sun.).... CW 1.43

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Yeowch. I'm guessing Beauty and the Geek won't be back for another season. It sucked this year anyways.



That was the sunday encore episode.


This is its first run rating.

4.................97................. Beauty and the Geek (Wed.) CW 4.21

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Someone posted the ratings for seasons 4-6 a few pages back, thanks for that. I noticed something interesting about two of my favorite episodes, Onyx and Memoria: both of them scored the lowest ratings. IMO Memoria is probably one of the best written episodes in the history of Smallville. The same goes for Onyx. I think almost everyone here will agree with me. Now the question is: what can possibly be the reason for the low ratings? :confused:

For some reason Lex centric eps always seem to do lower in the ratings for some reason. It never made any sense to me, especially with great eps like Memoria and Onyx, but that is how it is.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by vyperman7
For some reason Lex centric eps always seem to do lower in the ratings for some reason. It never made any sense to me, especially with great eps like Memoria and Onyx, but that is how it is.

That confuses me as well. Michael is a fantastic actor and episodes like Memoria, which is one of the best Smallville episodes ever in my opinion, amply demonstrate that fact.

[warriorrenegade]

I'm not sure about Memoria, but If memory serves me I believe Onyx came after a hiatus. Didn't it?