When Clark apologized to Lex in the barn...

[drwood]

I was disappointed...he could have at least referenced that he choked Lex only after having a gun pointed at his head.

Clark probably did the right thing by apologizing, but I was a little disappointed to see him back down...what do other people think?

[InMyPlace]

I was thinking that exact same thing, like 'He tried to kill you too, FOOL!'

[Dankes]

you know until I read this i forgot that it was after lex pointed a gun at him

[BadToad]

He did the right thing. No matter who and what Lex is now, Clark still acted badly last week due to being drugged. I think I prefer Clark to try and be the bigger man and the better person. I'm OK that he doesn't always succeed with that, but I like to see him put in the effort.

[Who]

Clark acted like a big meanie in the last episode. He owed Lex a big apology whatever their past is.

[thedarknight]

I don't think Clark backed down at all. He owned up for his mistakes, he was the one that crashed Lex's party and kidnapped Lana. And Lex had to retaliate the only way he could. The gun would have never had hurt Clark. So Lex was the only one in danger.

[Bosrudorfer]

Clark IS a wussy! Plain and simple.

[SmallvilleMan]

Clark should never have to apologize to Lex for anything, especially after what Lex has done to him.

[freefall]

Clark saying sorry to Lex has simply increased my esteem of this guy. What he did to Lana and Lex in Crimson was wrong no matter what. Clark Kent himself would have never taken the approach of "You yourself have wronged me in the past, so we're even, I don't have to apologize to you for anything."

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by drwood
I was disappointed...he could have at least referenced that he choked Lex only after having a gun pointed at his head.

Clark probably did the right thing by apologizing, but I was a little disappointed to see him back down...what do other people think?

He did do the right thing. And in addition to that, he should be acting like the mild mannered citizen. He needs to seperate his aggressive behavior for his Superman days. Otherwise, it will be totally obvious that they're both the same (although, right now, Lex would easily know that Superman is Clark).

[silverstreak]

i say he did the right thing. he can kick lex's a$$ anytime he wants.

[elway]

It's not a battle but a war. Lex may at the moment be winning this battle but the war isn't close to over yet.

[Titan27]

It was kinda a let down to see Clark back down; however it could be actually really cool. Because Lex knows how strong Clark is and that showed Lex that even though he may think he is so powerful. (Taking Lana from him, money, etc...) That Clark had more power than him in that situation and could leave Lex wondering what exactly did Clark mean by that apology because Clark never answered his remark. I mean since the beginning of the show Clark has always had the power and Lex wants it. Some things are better left unanswered. Leaving Lex to wonder what would happen to him; if Clark actually were to become like Lex at one point. (I KNOW THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!) Also Lionel will pbly down the future show that he has more confidence in Clark then in Lex making Lex wonder what does Clark have/possess that I don't have?

[smallvillerocks45]

I thought that Clark did the right thing by apologizing for his actions, but Lex, on the other hand was just being a bully. I mean, he has the nerve to bring up the fact that Clark tried to kill him (which is true), but did he suddenly forget that he tried to kill Clark too? It was just dumb of Lex to even bring it up in that fashion.
Personally, I think it makes Clark look like the "bigger" man, because he owned up to his mistakes. Lex, on the other hand, lavishes on the fact that he plays dirty - and why would he change since his life is so "perfect"? Silly kid. :rolleyes:

[cloisinmyheart]

my initial reaction was disappointed just to SPITE lex.

but i suppose i ought to feel proud for clark staying true to his morals

[jeffct87]

Lex accused clark of kidnapping lana but didn't he hold her hostage in an earlier episode? Then he accused him of trying to kill him but didnt lex point a gun at clarks face? If lana didn't stop him he would have pulled the trigger. Yeah clark wouldnt of gotten hurt but lex didn't know that. Then lex stabbed him.

[Nam-Ek2]

Red K Clark is much better than normal Clark.

Maybe he should have apologized but Lex was the one who pointed a gun at Clark first.

Lex should have apologized as well.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

It was OK, I think. The rest of the epi was much worse...

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Come on, Lex is getting Clark's left overs the least Clark can do is say he is sorry !

[Iowa_Gent]

One thing does puzzle me if red Kryptonite makes Clark not care what he does. Why when he had Lex in a choke hold didn't he just crush Lex's throat and kill him. I mean with his powers he could have killed lex in an instant. Clark must keep some control when he is under red kryptonite or he would have killed Lex as much as he hates him.

[superpal1]

Clark did the right thing in apologizing. The only reason the situation got out of control in the first place is because Red K Clark busted up the party and kidnapped Lana. He really could not do anything else but apologize. The one thing I liked is that after he apologized and Lex kept throwing the zingers, Clark stepped up and said "Are we done here". He stepped close to Lex and you could see that that took away some of Lex's fire.

[emeraldlabyrinth]

Originally posted by cloisinmyheart
my initial reaction was disappointed just to SPITE lex.

but i suppose i ought to feel proud for clark staying true to his morals

same here, but then i realized he was being the better person.

At the ending i felt so sad and sorry for Clark when Lex said all those horrible things on why he invited Clark to his wedding. Only so Clark could feel the pain and hurt of losing Lana, his first love and now Lex's soon to be wife.

Just imagine the hurt and regret Clark felt. I was honestly getting a bit teary eyed in that scene.

[azi]

Originally posted by Who
Clark acted like a big meanie in the last episode. He owed Lex a big apology whatever their past is. Agreed

[hedi sweet thighs]

I think Lex is mad because Lana was kissing clark bk.He definitely has something up his sleeve.I think Clark is a real man to stand there and took that he could have ripped Lex apart.I think Lex is still hiding some powers he may posses from Zod.

[wolverine316]

Clark did the right thing. Despite all the mean things that Lex said to Clark, Lex is still the loser. Lana will always be in love with Clark and run to him when she is in trouble and Lex knows this. Plus Lex knows that Clark can kick his ass anytime he wants and Lana will still feel save with him.

[Garp397]

I was waiting for a Lex and Clark..private moment at the barn. I was kinda hoping Lex would ask Clark to be best man...simply because he has noone (ok except his Dad to Ask).

I know it wasn't likely due to the recent past with them but I thought Clark might use it to be there for lana and to begrungingly try to be at Peace for Lex for lana's sake.

BUT..i loved Lex's nasty line..it was perfect..like I'm doing this for LANA but I despise YOU!

Ryan

[meteor_phreak]

i was extremely proud of him. he started it all, and let's face it, considering most people don't know about the redK connection, it looks like he effed up. he can't expect people to understand because he's the one that chooses not to explain.

I was happy to see him be the bigger man here, but only in that he didn't retaliate after lex's nastiness. I don't think he was being the bigger man by apologizing for something that was his responsibility. under the circumstances, i think this is the only time in history where lex holds a gun on clark/superman and i don't blame him.

[ElVibo]

A Superman book came out recently , some Spiritual Side to Superman or something and the creators of Superman said that If there was a war going on Superman wouldn't choose a side, he would probably stop everyone's missles, firearms etc. You don't solve fire with fire, you solve fire with water, fire with fire you just make things worse, although if you need to defend yourself fire is necessary up to a point, but unfortunatly human beings haven't learned that fire with fire creates more fire, I think that what makes true Kryptonians such as Jor-El and Superman special.

I'm glad they made Clark apologize, but it wasn't a wussy apology like he wanted approval it was very assertive and direct, interpreted as, accept it or not, doesn't bother me. A real true being has inhibitions so they can make certain decisions that require inhibition decisions.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by superpal1
Clark did the right thing in apologizing. The only reason the situation got out of control in the first place is because Red K Clark busted up the party and kidnapped Lana. He really could not do anything else but apologize. The one thing I liked is that after he apologized and Lex kept throwing the zingers, Clark stepped up and said "Are we done here". He stepped close to Lex and you could see that that took away some of Lex's fire.

Deep down Lex knows who "da man" is.


Originally posted by Iowa_Gent
One thing does puzzle me if red Kryptonite makes Clark not care what he does. Why when he had Lex in a choke hold didn't he just crush Lex's throat and kill him. I mean with his powers he could have killed lex in an instant. Clark must keep some control when he is under red kryptonite or he would have killed Lex as much as he hates him.

Clark is never THAT much under the influence of RedK.
Remember, it doesn't control him, just makes him a tad on the selfish and self-centered side.

[nathanjamesk1]

i say disapointed. like the OP said, ... lex did point the gun first

[whiteflag]

I can't vote. I'm supposed to feel proud that Clark's morals are much better than Lex's but on the other hand I don't think he went too far in Crimson. What he said was true and Lex, Lana and Martha deserved every word.

I can't choose any of those options.

(My only consolation is that, this time, Clark said he was sorry and I'm sure he meant it but, deep down, I think he really knew he had good reasons to act as he did with Lex and he forgave himself. That's about time he did!)

[<<S>>]

Remember when clark said something, and than lex goes well excuse me but you were choking the life out of me, or something along those lines, why didnt clark come back and say, well your the one with the gun in my face. After Lex brought up the choking clark just stayed quiet..

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by <<S>>
Remember when clark said something, and than lex goes well excuse me but you were choking the life out of me, or something along those lines, why didnt clark come back and say, well your the one with the gun in my face. After Lex brought up the choking clark just stayed quiet..

Maybe Clark knew how, deep down, he came close to killing Lex, maybe closer than we realise.

Or maybe its the writers keeping Clark looking like someone that never gets the last word in.

[SteveS]

Clark is a superior person a superior being who always tries to do the right thing, no matter what inferior ways the people around him act.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by SteveS
Clark is a superior person a superior being who always tries to do the right thing, no matter what inferior ways the people around him act.

I wish that there would be a consistency with this in all parts of his life.

[Davlok]

Maybe Lex likes being pushed up against the wall and choked?

[thorshammer]

I'm still not sure about the writing of this show, especially Clark's dialogue. It seems really poor and I dislike most of it. There are so many better things he could say that add to the character and what is there makes the character artifically shallower and naive than he should be at this point.

[Chloestheone]

It was good. It helps a little that he realizes what a jerk he (Clark) was. Superman is separate and special among super heros IMO because all the evil going on around him doesn't change his essential good character. (at least for long)

[caseybrn]

This is kinda off topic, but this conversation was the best part of the episode...

It contained one few character developments (in season 1-6)
I'm sure they'll probably take it back but it just seemed like a true finality to the Clark-Lex friendship arc....

When Clark said, "Are we done here,"
"Nothing but the (I actually forget the word Lex used...but it sounded very cool at the time...

The whole interchange between Clark and Lex made me think of their friendly banter from season one through season 3 finally ending...........

[MetropolisSparx]

i just hated when Lex invited Clark to the wedding, and he said, "You'll see what you missed out on." i'd say that Lex really crossed the line then by shoving that s**t in Clark's face. if i were Clark in that situation; i would've either burned Lex's face with heat vision, or i would've made Lex fly out of the barn with super breath, or i would've called him every bad name that i could think of, such as, "f--king son of a f--k", "dumbass bastard", or "f--k wh-r"

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

It must really drive Lex up the walls knowing that, deep down, Lana is with him only because Clark doesn't want her and that, Clark has put the kaibosh on him more than a few times.

[Krypton935]

I was proud of our little BDA ;) He did the right thing he deserved to give Lex an apology.

[<<S>>]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Maybe Clark knew how, deep down, he came close to killing Lex, maybe closer than we realise.

Or maybe its the writers keeping Clark looking like someone that never gets the last word in.

Yeah I hear ya, it just seemed weird, because as i watching it, and Lex said that you were choking me, first thing that came to my mind was, if he didnt come in with his gun out, red krpto influenced clark would not have thrown him into the barn wall.

[caseybrn]

Originally posted by MetropolisSparx
i just hated when Lex invited Clark to the wedding, and he said, "You'll see what you missed out on." i'd say that Lex really crossed the line then by shoving that s**t in Clark's face. if i were Clark in that situation; i would've either burned Lex's face with heat vision, or i would've made Lex fly out of the barn with super breath, or i would've called him every bad name that i could think of, such as, "f--king son of a f--k", "dumbass bastard", or "f--k wh-r"

I really liked what Lex said to Clark...I mean they are arch-enemies in the making,

[MagnusGallant]

Originally posted by <<S>>
Remember when clark said something, and than lex goes well excuse me but you were choking the life out of me, or something along those lines, why didnt clark come back and say, well your the one with the gun in my face. After Lex brought up the choking clark just stayed quiet..

If I recall correctly, Clark was the one approaching them first, looking ready to attack then Lex told him to back off and pointed a gun to his face. And let's face it, nothing would have happened to Clark anyways. Lex was the one in danger. It doesn't matter that they didn't know that. Clark knew it. So Clark was in the wrong here. There's a reason why Lex is a formidable enemy to Superman. Lex is underhanded and sneaky and uses every dirty trick in the book against Superman, but Superman CAN NOT do the same. He can't sink to Lex's level. If he does, how is he any better?

[smallvillefreak24]

Its good what clark did because he would be just giving in to lex if he acted mad. Lex wants to be able to say again and again how "perfect" his life is

[StrangeVisitor1979]

By apologizing, Clark proved himself the better man. Lex in the past never apologized unless it would regain Clark's confidence and allow him to continue his investigation behind the veil of friendship.

[Loverofplaid&farmboys]

Originally posted by StrangeVisitor1979
By apologizing, Clark proved himself the better man. Lex in the past never apologized unless it would regain Clark's confidence and allow him to continue his investigation behind the veil of friendship.
AMEN!!! Good Clark! Evil Lex! Stupid Lana!

[drwood]

Originally posted by MagnusGallant
If I recall correctly, Clark was the one approaching them first, looking ready to attack then Lex told him to back off and pointed a gun to his face.

Wait a minute...Clark wasn't going to attack Lex; he was going to Lana, insisting she say that she doesn't really love Clark. That is no reason to put a gun to someone's head.

Even on Red-K, Clark never physically initiated anything with Lex -- Lex only got his tail handed to him after he attacked Clark (running to him at the party, pointing a gun to his head)

I'm happy to see that most people on this thread seem to say they were proud of Clark's apology.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"The gun would have never had hurt Clark. So Lex was the only one in danger."

True, but LEX doesn't know that. Lex thought he was putting Clark's life in danger, and yet still aimed the gun at him. And I know some may argue that he did it in defense for Lana, but I doubt his motives were that pure. I think it's more like what Lana said, "Were you doing it to protect me, or to hurt him?"

I think Lex knew Lana didn't REALLY need protecting, but he didn't care. He wanted to hurt Clark, and do it under the false pretense of "coming to Lana's rescue."

So I think Lex owed Clark an apology as well (not just for that, but for every rotten thing he's done to Clark). But of course, it's Lex Luthor we're talking about, so I'm not surprised he didn't apologize.

I'm glad Clark did though. It shows how he's the more mature man, and how he is growing into Superman.

"Lex in the past never apologized unless it would regain Clark's confidence and allow him to continue his investigation behind the veil of friendship."

I see what you're saying, but I dunno...I don't think the Lex of the past wanted to regain Clark's confidence JUST to investigate him...I think he really DID love the friendship he had with Clark, and I think he saw Clark as the potential for goodness inside himself. I think his friendship meant the world to Lex.

A lot of people think Lex was friends with Clark BECAUSE of his secret. I think the opposite: he became obsessed with his secret BECAUSE of his friendship with Clark. Notice, Lex wasn't too obsessed with Ryan, or with Tina Greer, etc. He was more interested in Clark because he was friends with Clark. He wanted Clark to trust him and see him as more than just a Luthor. And he wanted to be there for Clark as Clark had been there for him.

At least that's how I see it, until later seasons when Lex's growing envy of Clark and obsession turned into their bitter rivalry.

[Heilige]

LuthorRequiem2, have you got my Private Message? I sent you one awhile ago, but got no response.

[Ginx]

I wasn't really feeling Clark's apology anyway - kinda felt half arsed a bit - just something to say to make amends so Lex isn't breathing down his neck.

Lex turned that right around on CK though.......so CK better step up next time if he really meant that apology - but I guess he said he was sorry and didn't feel he needed to fight with Lex about it.

[LuthorRequiem2]

Heilige,

No, I didn't get it. I'll check my messages soon. Thanks for sending me a PM. :)

[Heilige]

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
Heilige,

No, I didn't get it. I'll check my messages soon. Thanks for sending me a PM. :)


Please don't forget! :D

[KryptonX81]

I am proud of clark. He hasnt apologized in the past for many things that he has done to Lex (like accusing him of having a hand in the slaughter of migrant workers, accusing him of growing evil plants, and showing up at teh masnion to taunt him with Lana's uncertainties) and it shows that he has some maurity in him.

I also dont blame Lex for not accepting Clarks winded apology and blwing off his very severe actions as him "not being himself"

Clark had it coming.

[quietone]

I was proud of Clark for apologizing. I just wish he hadn't thrown in the 'I wasn't myself line.' It took something away from the apology IMO. Instead, I wish Clark had said that he was sorry for his behavior and upsetting Lex's guests and left it at that.

[Lex is a god]

Clark owed Lex an apology for breaking up the dinner and kidnapping Lana. It is not surprising that he would apologize that is just what Superman is all about.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by quietone
I was proud of Clark for apologizing. I just wish he hadn't thrown in the 'I wasn't myself line.' It took something away from the apology IMO. Instead, I wish Clark had said that he was sorry for his behavior and upsetting Lex's guests and left it at that.

I agree.

[SteveS]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
I wish that there would be a consistency with this in all parts of his life.

To err is human, to forgive, divine.

[Myrddin]

That whole scene showed who was the better man.

And it certainly was not Lex.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I thought it was great. WHile I was angry that Clark was the only one apologizing (Lex owes a few himself!) it was nice to see Clark do something so selfless. He never says thank you or I'm sorry (ok, he USUALLY doesn't) so it was nice to see this change of pace.

[Jetta]

Originally posted by quietone
I was proud of Clark for apologizing. I just wish he hadn't thrown in the 'I wasn't myself line.' It took something away from the apology IMO. Instead, I wish Clark had said that he was sorry for his behavior and upsetting Lex's guests and left it at that.

Dead on, that little addition weakened the apology.

[PKII]

He should have just finished choking him. :lol:

[greysfan511]

i do agree with the fact that clark backed down. i was dissappointed big time. he needed to stand his ground. clark wasnt the only one looking to make a bloodbath that night.

[Odysseus]

Clark did the right thing. He was civil to Lex despite the enmity between them.