Just Leave The Girl Alone: (Go Martha)

[ChlarkMe]

I thought it was great that finally Martha told Clark what she thought instead of just catering to his whims. He needs someone to tell him to suck it up. It's about time.

This is really not about Lana, but about Clark bait and switch routine.

Go Martha

[canon]

Yeah, I thought that was nice of Martha to finally tell Clark to leave Lana alone

[lillie_poo_pod]

You werent the only one who thought that. I was glad Martha told him to leave her alone. If only he would listen

[muffinpeddler]

About Damn time!

[dave73085]

Preach it sistah

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
About Damn time!

i second that emotion

[uhhuhhim]

You tell em, honey....LOL!!!!! It's about time...martha is so passive, it can be annoying.

[pleasenoclois]

Maybe Lionel is rubbing off on her?

[SmallvilleMan]

Yeah Martha, tell him to leave her alone and just crush all his hopes. Maybe now he'll spend even more time in his loft. What a great mother Martha is. First, she goes to Lex's party and then she says that. I didn't think it was possible to dislike Martha..........

[freefall]

Best ever advice given to Clark.

[uhhuhhim]

Martha, Martha Martha! LOL! It's about time that she grows a backbone! You be that *****, Martha Kent! LOL!

[Ardiem3]

Haha, i loved it too. Steer clear of Lana. Shes bad news lol.

[Bat_Lantern]

Good Strong Advice from a competent guardian. Well done Martha..



..now go get the Luthor name put on your business cards.. :) -Red K Clark typed that!

[chole_fan]

I was so happy when Martha said that. It's about time someone told him to move on. He's a big boy now, he can handle to truth!

[darkone]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah Martha, tell him to leave her alone and just crush all his hopes. Maybe now he'll spend even more time in his loft. What a great mother Martha is. First, she goes to Lex's party and then she says that. I didn't think it was possible to dislike Martha..........

I so agree with that.Clana is NOT her damn business.Martha just go and screw Lionel. :lol:

[SmallvilleMan]

so agree with that.Clana is NOT her damn business.Martha just go and screw Lionel

Well I think it's her business, but what the heck happened to supporting her son? Why the heck is Martha turning into such a.....I don't know. First, lionel, then the party and now this. Why can't she support him? Where the hell is JK when you need him?

[uhhuhhim]

LOL! You know she'll be hooking up and Mionel will be born..LOL

[ChlarkMe]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah Martha, tell him to leave her alone and just crush all his hopes. Maybe now he'll spend even more time in his loft. What a great mother Martha is. First, she goes to Lex's party and then she says that. I didn't think it was possible to dislike Martha..........


Could it be Clark has be coddled too much growing up and that's why he mopes in his loft? Tough love is sometimes just what someone you love needs the most.

Martha would never betray Clark. She's a grown woman not just a mother and if she want's to go to a swanky party why not. It's not like she watched Lex doing experiments on people.

I think I would have gone just for the desert, it looked so good.

[SmallvilleMan]

Could it be Clark has be coddled too much growing up and that's why he mopes in his loft? Tough love is sometimes just what someone you love needs the most.

Tough love? Tough love would be her telling him to suck it up and tell Lana the truth. Trying to persuade your son from going after the girl he loves isnt tough love, it's stupid and crushes him. Clark has had a year to get over it and he isn't getting over it, so there's only one way to go.


Martha would never betray Clark. She's a grown woman not just a mother and if she want's to go to a swanky party why not. It's not like she watched Lex doing experiments on people.

No, she would never betray him. Why not go to that party? Does her son's feelings mean nothing? Frankly, would JK have gone?

[uhhuhhim]

Originally posted by ChlarkMe


I think I would have gone just for the desert, it looked so good.

LOL!!!!! That made me laugh so hard. Yeah, Clark, she wanted the dessert, she wasn't betraying you. That's so funny. Besides, she's a grown woman...she's not under lock and key.

[SmallvilleMan]

Yeah, she's a grown woman......Is that her excuse? :lol: "I'm a grown woman and I would love to go to the engagement party of my son's greatest enemy. Where i'm at it, i might as well tell the world his secret. Since I'm a grown woman."

[ChlarkMe]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Tough love? Tough love would be her telling him to suck it up and tell Lana the truth. Trying to persuade your son from going after the girl he loves isnt tough love, it's stupid and crushes him. Clark has had a year to get over it and he isn't getting over it, so there's only one way to go.


To what end, we all know this isn't going anywhere and so does Martha. If you recall Martha did tell Clark he should think about telling Lana, but he rejected that idea. There's a big difference between telling him to leave the girl alone (romantically) and encouraging him to reveal his secret to her when she's marrying Lex whom he doesn't trust. She also know's what happened when he told her the first time.



No, she would never betray him. Why not go to that party? Does her son's feelings mean nothing? Frankly, would JK have gone?

I think JK would go. He would go for Lana, just like Chloe did. Lana might not be meant to be with Clark, but they still care about her and that's why the would go.

[Colossus632]

Wouldn't Clark have told Martha about, oh, I don't know... every evil, vile, insidious plot he has discovered about Lex, up to and including 33.1? Oh, but yeah... trust Lex not to completely ruin or corrupt everything he touches. Riiiiiiiight.

[SmallvilleMan]

To what end, we all know this isn't going anywhere and so does Martha. If you recall Martha did tell Clark he should think about telling Lana, but he rejected that idea. There's a big difference between telling him to leave the girl alone (romantically) and encouraging him to reveal his secret to her when she's marrying Lex whom he doesn't trust. She also know's what happened when he told her the first time.

Martha doesn't know that isn't going any where, neither do we. Well we know what's going to happen in metropolis, but we don't know what will happened for the rest of the season and season seven. I dont recall martha saying anything encouraging in about a year and a half. Yes, there is a big difference between telling him to leave her along and encouraging him to tell her the truth. But to discourage him? The least she could have done is tell him to do what he thinks is right. She shouldn't just tell him to stay away, when it's clear how much he wants this and clear how much this is killing him. If you could see he was moving on, then fine, but Clark isn't close to moving anywhere, except higher in his loft.


I think JK would go. He would go for Lana, just like Chloe did. Lana might not be meant to be with Clark, but they still care about her and that's why the would go.

He wouldn't go, because of what Lex has done and what Clark would have told him. Remember, Clark was much more open with JK, then martha.

[wallyK]

Well, I don't know many Moms that would tell their son to go after an ex-girlfriend who is pregnant with another guy's child. Martha thinks that Clark needs to get over Lana. So does Chloe. I don't think it's being mean of them to tell him that.

[Meteor-Freakazoid]

The was actually another episode seasons ago, (I think it was the episode with the spring formal) in which Martha tells Clark that the door is closed to be with Lana.

[xrayvision]

It was good advice, but she should take her own advice and leave Lionel alone.

[SmallvilleMan]

Well, I don't know many Moms that would tell their son to go after an ex-girlfriend who is pregnant with another guy's child. Martha thinks that Clark needs to get over Lana. So does Chloe. I don't think it's being mean of them to tell him that.

Not in that sceniro, but when both of them know Lana stills loves Clark and vice versa, why shouldn't they? ESPECIALLY knowing who lana is marrying.

[NYC300Z]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah Martha, tell him to leave her alone and just crush all his hopes. Maybe now he'll spend even more time in his loft. What a great mother Martha is. First, she goes to Lex's party and then she says that. I didn't think it was possible to dislike Martha..........

I agree

[niki]

Before she said that, didn't she say, "I hate to be the one to say this ..." or something to that extent?

I think she did a good job as a Mom ... it's hard to hear that kind of advice, but pining after an ex-love engaged (to his enemy) and who has some mysterious baby in her is not the smartest of moves, so I'd think it was good advice! Haha.

[AndiGirl]

Well seeing as Lana is pregnant with another mans child...I think Martha's words were pretty accurate. I also think she is looking out for Lana as well as her son. Clark has lead Lana on for so long. "I want to be with you, this will never work....Lets be together!!!" Come on Clark, choose already! I think thats what Martha was trying to say.....you've done this so many times, just give the girl some space!

[SmallvilleMan]

Well seeing as Lana is pregnant with another mans child...I think Martha's words were pretty accurate. I also think she is looking out for Lana as well as her son. Clark has lead Lana on for so long. "I want to be with you, this will never work....Lets be together!!!" Come on Clark, choose already! I think thats what Martha was trying to say.....you've done this so many times, just give the girl some space!

And I explained the fact that Lana still loves him and vice versa. Martha knows that, so how about her saying something encouraging or did she forget how to do that? Did JK's death take Martha's brain with her?

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Not in that sceniro, but when both of them know Lana stills loves Clark and vice versa, why shouldn't they? ESPECIALLY knowing who lana is marrying.

Let's see...Lana is pregnant, mooches off of Lex, is not in college...yeah

Clark is a bum too...just like Lana.

Sorry, SVM, Martha really is giving good advice here. Let Lana make her own decisions. Besides, I'm pretty sure she'll leave Lex at the altar ala Mary Jane

[AndiGirl]

Yea, I guess as a mother it would have been nice for Martha to encourage Clark, but she's done that all along....and a lot of good it's done him. Lana and Clark have had so many chances to be together....and something always happens, and maybe Martha sees that. She didn't necessaily go about telling Clark the right way, but he can be pretty thick at times! haha. So maybe this was the only way she could get him to hear her.

[SmallvilleMan]

I'm convinced Martha is in a plot to screw over Clana......Im convinced and I still think her advice is crap. In fact, I think her character sucks in general now. Can we raise JK from the death and have Martha switch places?


Yea, I guess as a mother it would have been nice for Martha to encourage Clark, but she's done that all along....and a lot of good it's done him. Lana and Clark have had so many chances to be together....and something always happens, and maybe Martha sees that. She didn't necessaily go about telling Clark the right way, but he can be pretty thick at times! haha. So maybe this was the only way she could get him to hear her.

What about this instead:

"Clark, if you really love her, then why don't you go tell her this and then tell her the truth. Stop using your guilt as an excuse and be a man"

See, I could be a writer for smallville, where do i sign up?

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Can we raise JK from the death and have Martha switch places?

If only. Id much rather have jk back and martha dead.

But in reality, she is prolly right. Clark has practicly been her stalker for 6 years and in all that time it has gone no where. Becuase he can't have her, he has built her up in his mind to be some godess, when in relaity, hel prolly be dissapointed if he actually got her and told her the secret.
We all know that this is nt gonna go anywhere. And from the second Clark has come to earth he has just caused Lana pain.
It would probably be better for her if he just left ehr alone.

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I'm convinced Martha is in a plot to screw over Clana......Im convinced and I still think her advice is crap. In fact, I think her character sucks in general now. Can we raise JK from the death and have Martha switch places?



What about this instead:

"Clark, if you really love her, then why don't you go tell her this and then tell her the truth. Stop using your guilt as an excuse and be a man"

See, I could be a writer for smallville, where do i sign up?

I don't like how Martha is being written so far either. But if I were a parent, I'm...not gonna encourage my kid (whose a bum) to go after another bum.

That's just bad parenting.

[AndiGirl]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I'm convinced Martha is in a plot to screw over Clana......Im convinced and I still think her advice is crap. In fact, I think her character sucks in general now. Can we raise JK from the death and have Martha switch places?



What about this instead:

"Clark, if you really love her, then why don't you go tell her this and then tell her the truth. Stop using your guilt as an excuse and be a man"

See, I could be a writer for smallville, where do i sign up?

That actually wasn't bad at all! Either situation would have worked. I have never wanted Clark and Lana together...but if he is just going to mopy all the time....then tell the girl already! Somebody should definitely tell him to man up. But I do remember a lot of mama Kent talks were she asks him why he won't just tell Lana his secret. So tell her or not.....but the writers need to move this along some day.

[Colossus632]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I'm convinced Martha is in a plot to screw over Clana......Im convinced and I still think her advice is crap.

Y'know, now that I think about it... Lionel has been more supportive and helpful to Clark than Martha since JK passed away.

If Lionel were to find out about whatever Lex has done to Lana, Lionel wouldn't just be supportive... he'd be actively assisting Clark.

[FreakyKal182]

Originally posted by wallyK
Well, I don't know many Moms that would tell their son to go after an ex-girlfriend who is pregnant with another guy's child. Martha thinks that Clark needs to get over Lana. So does Chloe. I don't think it's being mean of them to tell him that.

I totally agree!!! She's not trying to be mean, she's just giving Clark a reallity check. ;)

[paolinki25]

Funny, because she rooted for Clark/Lana back in the day. I guess Martha is annoyed as the vast majority of fans are. :lol:

[Khyla]

Originally posted by chole_fan
I was so happy when Martha said that. It's about time someone told him to move on. He's a big boy now, he can handle to truth! i agree! HE already found out in Reckonning how screwed up it would be if he told Lana his secret. Now would be even a worse time, and Martha even suggested in the past that maybe deep down he knows she's not the ONE.

ANd YES, at last! Clark finally hears THE TRUTH from Lana herself, and maybe it will finally sink in...

Clark, Lana speaks the truth. You DON'T really love HER.
It's your twisted idea of what she represents, that you love.

grow up,man!

[SmallvilleMan]

I don't like how Martha is being written so far either. But if I were a parent, I'm...not gonna encourage my kid (whose a bum) to go after another bum.

Even if you know that's the only way to save him from bumness?


That actually wasn't bad at all! Either situation would have worked. I have never wanted Clark and Lana together...but if he is just going to mopy all the time....then tell the girl already! Somebody should definitely tell him to man up. But I do remember a lot of mama Kent talks were she asks him why he won't just tell Lana his secret. So tell her or not.....but the writers need to move this along some day.

Yeah and Martha for some reason turned on them. Anyways, my main point is, that you see Clark suffering and there's only one way out of that....And it isn't more lexana......

[emsfan]

Yeah and i feel bad when she say that to clark but we all know clark would not listen. so i think never mind at all. I love Clana scene!

[paolinki25]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah and Martha for some reason turned on them. Anyways, my main point is, that you see Clark suffering and there's only one way out of that....And it isn't more lexana......

And you think the answer is Clana? No offense, I respect that you want your ship together and all, but I personally don't see how romantic Clana can make Clark happy at this point.

The answer to me is allowing Clark to get some closure with Lana and finally move on.

[SmallvilleMan]

And you think the answer is Clana? No offense, I respect that you want your ship together and all, but I personally don't see how romantic Clana can make Clark happy at this point.

Yes, I do, because all Clark is doing is pining over her. How can being with her be bad for him? For one, it takes his biggest problem off the table and for two it would allow him to focus on his destiny. Where as now, he's focusing on getting her back.

[lana&Clark4ever]

booo martha stewart boooo!!!

she's on lionel's evil side! jonathan please come and take her away. ahaha

[cloisinmyheart]

im very ambiguous about this all but i think that martha's lecture was in need because clark needs to stop repeating this cycle with lana. if hes nto gonna open up to her then forget about having a relationship with her

[Heilige]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yes, I do, because all Clark is doing is pining over her. How can being with her be bad for him? For one, it takes his biggest problem off the table and for two it would allow him to focus on his destiny. Where as now, he's focusing on getting her back.


He needs to get over it. His mother is giving him a reality check instead of coddling and appeasing him. He has had CHANCE AFTER CHANCE. No more. Life is tough and not fair. Wear a helmet. There are alot of more important things in life than pining over someone for years. Martha realizes it is not going to work. She is being a realist. Lana is preagnant and isi about to marry somoene else. Clark is not a homewrecker. Also, Clark has done nothing but cause Lana pain time after time. It won't work, and she realizes it. Instead of ignoring the problem, she is confronting it with him now.

[cabbagestew]

Mother knows best. :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Well done, Martha!!!
Someone had to tell him.

[Sk8erGur1]

Originally posted by darkone
I so agree with that.Clana is NOT her damn business.Martha just go and screw Lionel. :lol:


Dude, she's his goddamned mother!

Are you serious?

[puppiesnkittens]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yes, I do, because all Clark is doing is pining over her. How can being with her be bad for him? For one, it takes his biggest problem off the table and for two it would allow him to focus on his destiny. Where as now, he's focusing on getting her back.

Except that Clark, when it has anything to do with Lana, only wanted to be human. IMHO it makes him hate who he is. I think the only thing for him to do is get over it and grow up. His heritage is no curse.

[LillianLuthorr]

I'm glad she is finally telling him to SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!! GOSH!!!! Now, a big hug from Clark!!!!!

[MetroGirl06]

WOOT TO MARTHA! WOOT!

[diva]

First thing she's gotten right all season long.

[a silent liaison]

I believe Martha told Clark to leave Lana alone for his well-being, as well as Lana's. She didn't tell him to ''suck it up'' what-so-ever. Martha is capable of seeing that if Clark wants to maintain any sort of relationship with Lana, he's going to have to leave her alone, at least for a period of time.

[shirkie]

Martha's advice was DEAD ON. Clark has been a big mopey baby FOREVER and needs to accept that fact that Lana is with Lex. When you get knocked up, the decent thing to do is marry the father... Clark should know that. And why would he want damaged goods anyway? Especially Lex's sloppy seconds? Ugh.

Martha, you rule. You shoulda said it in Season 1 though and saved us all the trouble.
shirkie

[redraven]

I don't like Martha, I haven't liked her since Johnathan died. Especially after that quote with 'Just leave her alone', and when she said, "Lana may not be the one." or something like that. :rolleyes:

[shirkie]

... But she's right-- Lana's NOT "the one." Lois is. MamaKent just has insight.
shirkie

[TheSupaMan]

I don't think that was good advice, especially after what she'd done earlier. I mean, is Clark the only person trying to persuade Lana from making a big mistake?

He already saved her from Lex once. Chloe doesn't want to remind Lana of what Lex has done. Martha is going to engagement parties and simply condoning it. I know that Martha is trying to help, but "Leave her alone" isn't really the best advice at this point in time.

[redraven]

Yeah, I know, but it still bothered me because she was all for Clana before and ever since S5 she's been telling Clark to back off.

[shirkie]

Well, the mark of a wise woman (or man) is the ability to know when it's time to move on. After six years, a pregnancy, and an engagement... Yes, it's time. Martha's just trying to turn on the (dim) light bulb in Clark's head.
shirkie

[Peat Moss]

Clark can't save Lana from Lex by pining. And besides, if she really wants Lex, she deserves him. And as to those saying the only thing that will stop the pining is him being with her, what about all the thousand times he's dated her and had to break up cause she's so annoying? The best way to stop a junkie is cold turkey, at least in this case. Giving him more of a Lana fix won't help.

[RedPhoenix23]

I felt Martha's advice was very sound and I loved how she didn't let him off of the hook when he tried to write off the bad things he said and did. Everything Clark said, he meant. But hear the sound of that 'whoosh" noise? That's the episode's lesson going straight over his head AGAIN.

[SmallvilleMan]

Martha's advice was still crap, "just leave her alone." That's really going to help.....:rolleyes: Obviously she hasn't been paying attention to the part where he was leaving her alone and mopping in the loft.

[RedPhoenix23]

And given Clark's behavior in the past with Lana that's exactly what he deserves. Clark is not mature enough to handle an adult relationship right now. Especially not one with a pregnant Lana who's baby's daddy is his nemesis: Lex Luthor. Martha knows better then anyone that Clark doesn't actually love Lana - he loves the IDEA of Lana and he also only wants her because she's now with someone else. That's not a healthy relationship for Clark, Lana, or the unborn child who would be damaged the most with this "I must be with her, I must break up with her, I must be with her, No... I must break up with her, Just kidding! I must be with her" circle of hell that Clark is trapped in. JUST LEAVE HER ALONE.

[dunkman]

I think Martha's advice to Clark was very appropriate. I think Clark really does love Lana, & I appreciate his loyalty to her, but he has to accept that he can't be with her. The hardest thing for him now is her being with Lex who is evil; but she's a grownup & he has let her to make her own choices (all in all, I don't think she'll end up marrying Lex).

[Lightning Flash]

Ma Kent finally gives the BDA a deserving speech. Learn, BDA, learn!

[TheSupaMan]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
And given Clark's behavior in the past with Lana that's exactly what he deserves. Clark is not mature enough to handle an adult relationship right now. Especially not one with a pregnant Lana who's baby's daddy is his nemesis: Lex Luthor. Martha knows better then anyone that Clark doesn't actually love Lana - he loves the IDEA of Lana and he also only wants her because she's now with someone else. That's not a healthy relationship for Clark, Lana, or the unborn child who would be damaged the most with this "I must be with her, I must break up with her, I must be with her, No... I must break up with her, Just kidding! I must be with her" circle of hell that Clark is trapped in. JUST LEAVE HER ALONE.

Did you honestly sit there and say that Clark doesn't "love" Lana? Really? Think about that.

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by TheSupaMan
Did you honestly sit there and say that Clark doesn't "love" Lana? Really? Think about that.

Like alot of teenagers too immature to really understand the concept, he thinks that he loves her. But he really doesnt.

[ginnyfan]

Yay Martha! I cheered when she told Clark to leave Lana alone. :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
And given Clark's behavior in the past with Lana that's exactly what he deserves. Clark is not mature enough to handle an adult relationship right now. Especially not one with a pregnant Lana who's baby's daddy is his nemesis: Lex Luthor. Martha knows better then anyone that Clark doesn't actually love Lana - he loves the IDEA of Lana and he also only wants her because she's now with someone else. That's not a healthy relationship for Clark, Lana, or the unborn child who would be damaged the most with this "I must be with her, I must break up with her, I must be with her, No... I must break up with her, Just kidding! I must be with her" circle of hell that Clark is trapped in. JUST LEAVE HER ALONE.

I agree that he should leave her alone but you're not going to convince me that Clark doesn't love Lana. That's just ridiculous.

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by myankskent
I agree that he should leave her alone but you're not going to convince me that Clark doesn't love Lana. That's just ridiculous.

All teenagers believe that they love thier boyfriend/ girlfriend/ crush. I have to deal with that idiocy in school every day, all the people saying that tehy love eachother. And then I laugh when those same people are broken up 3 months later. Teenagers really dont understand the concept of love weather they think they do or not. And miost of them think that they do. Holllywood plays into this myth.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
All teenagers believe that they love thier boyfriend/ girlfriend/ crush. I have to deal with that idiocy in school every day, all the people saying that tehy love eachother. And then I laugh when those same people are broken up 3 months later. Teenagers really dont understand the concept of love weather they think they do or not. And miost of them think that they do. Holllywood plays into this myth.

Well that's fine, but Clark hasn't loved Lana for three months, he's loved her for five and a half years or maybe even more than that. Even in the comics, Clark still loves Lana even though he is with Lois. So again, I do believe that Clark does love Lana, it would make this whole series one big joke and waste of time if he didn't.

[BadToad]

I think Martha gave Clark good advice, but I really wish that scene wasn't such a throwaway, with so little actually addressed. And given Martha's butt at that engagement party table, and the fact that she didn't seem to recognize how ridiculously messed up it was that she was there, I can't say I was really feeling Martha this week.

But she is right, and Clark needs to leave Lana alone, and vice versa. If Lana's asks for his help, he should help her. But other than that, its time for him to concentrate on his own life and his own future.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by myankskent
I agree that he should leave her alone but you're not going to convince me that Clark doesn't love Lana. That's just ridiculous.

He doesn't love Lana who really is he loves the idea of her that he's been stuck with since he spied on her with his little telescope. Just look at Laybrinth as proof - that's who he wants. She's not that girl and he needs to come to terms with that. Too many times has Lana been forced to pay for being "too perfect" for Clark by Clark himself no less. He also has a nasty tendecy to only want her when he can't have her, then when he has her... nevermind... better luck next time. That's not mature love. The kid needs to grow a pair before even thinking about getting into a relationship with ANYBODY much less breaking up Lana's marriage.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah Martha, tell him to leave her alone and just crush all his hopes. Maybe now he'll spend even more time in his loft. What a great mother Martha is. First, she goes to Lex's party and then she says that. I didn't think it was possible to dislike Martha..........
oh, i have hated martha since "RAGE" when she almost willingly kissed lionel. Lionel was the one to pull away.

i hate her.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
He doesn't love Lana who really is he loves the idea of her that he's been stuck with since he spied on her with his little telescope. Just look at Laybrinth as proof - that's who he wants. She's not that girl and he needs to come to terms with that. Too many times has Lana been forced to pay for being "too perfect" for Clark by Clark himself no less. He also has a nasty tendecy to only want her when he can't have her, then when he has her... nevermind... better luck next time. That's not mature love. The kid needs to grow a pair before even thinking about getting into a relationship with ANYBODY much less breaking up Lana's marriage.

I don't really know how to respond to this because TPTB, IMO, have really screwed up Lana's character to make her fit with Lex while she is with him. Who knows what Lana is really like anymore. Take Lex out of the equation and fill her in on Clark's secret and we have no idea what Lana's character would be like.

[Colossus632]

Martha came across as a moron. What, she doesn't know about 33.1? She doesn't know that Lex tortured Arthur Curry and Bart Allen? She doesn't know that Lex held a gun to her son's head with all intent to kill him? Did Clark forgot to mention those things to her during their mother/son heart to hearts?

Martha telling Clark to leave Lana on her own with Lex is akin to telling him not to use his abilities to help people at all. She should know that it's a matter of when and not if Lex does something to hurt Lana, permanently. She should also know that it is possible for Clark to do something about it. Why discourage him from doing that?

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by myankskent
I don't really know how to respond to this because TPTB, IMO, have really screwed up Lana's character to make her fit with Lex while she is with him. Who knows what Lana is really like anymore. Take Lex out of the equation and fill her in on Clark's secret and we have no idea what Lana's character would be like.

That's the thing, you CAN'T take Lex out of the equation. If Lana were to "slip out of his fingers".....

*shivers*

You think Lex is mean and nasty now?! Just imagine what he'd be without Lana.

Plus, Lana is actually more herself when she's with Lex anyways then she ever was with Clark but I don't feel like getting into that right now. ;)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
That's the thing, you CAN'T take Lex out of the equation. If Lana were to "slip out of his fingers".....

*shivers*

You think Lex is mean and nasty now?! Just imagine what he'd be without Lana.


Believe me, I cannot wait to see that happen. I am tired of seeing this sappy Lex Luthor. I want to see this guy go off on his own and really go out of control.



Plus, Lana is actually more herself when she's with Lex anyways then she ever was with Clark but I don't feel like getting into that right now. ;)

I really don't know who Lana is anymore, quite honestly. At the end of Static, she said that she would approve of 33.1. Then in Justice, she conveniently wasn't even in the damn episode. If she really would've approved of 33.1, TPTB should've had Lana team up with Lex in Justice but it just shows you how much horrendous writing is centered around the lexana relationship.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I was so thrilled that Martha stepped in and finally said something.
It feels like she's been so absent from Clark's life lately, it's about time she and Clark had a conversation that wasn't about zoners or saving the world.

And can anyone imagine what Bo would have to say on the subject of Lexana?
*snorts*

[Aloof]

You go girl!

[Myrddin]

Now she needs to tell Lana to leave Clark alone.

[Coyote]

Martha was right. Clark really needs to quit acting like a stalker exboyfriend loser and just go away and leave Lana alone. Her relationship with Lex will probably turn out badly, but that's her business and not Clark's. Clark needs to move on and get a life.

[Ania]

Go, Martha! Tell him!

[Cowl-El]

I'm just going to pretend like those of you who hate Martha for this bit of advice to her son and think she should mind her own business, and what kind of a bad mom would deliberately send her son into an emotional coccoon by crushing his hopes and dreams, I'm going to pretend like you're not ignorant individuals with no experience in dealing with people who are in this emotionally fragile state.

It's hard. Very hard, watching somebody in a relationship, or even no longer in a relationship who pines after a lost love, or who is in a destructive emotional pattern. It's hard watching people you love so very much go through that. You want them to do the right thing. You want them to be emotionally strong and grow up and mature, but sometimes, when people you care about are in the middle of it, they can't see the way out because their emotions are clouded.

Martha did exactly what every good mother (and any good friend) should do. Tell them the truth, but do it with love. You don't want to mock and ridicule a person for their choices, but pointing out ways that might in the long run help them is what everybody should do for each other.

True, not everybody is looking for advice, but as a mother, it's always her prerogative to interject wisdom and understanding where she feels it's needed, and in my book, Clark DEFINITELY needed that little pearl. Clark and Lana's past is so jagged and twisted with so many secrets and little betrayals and little lies and disappointments and failures.

For Clark to still want Lana after all of that is understandable. But Lana, while she still might love Clark, she's made a conscious choice to move on with her life. Clark should, too. That's what he needed to hear from Martha, and that's exactly what she said, in so many words.

Don't hate Martha for doing what needed to be done. She loves her son and wants the best for him, and him moving on is for the best.

[Heilige]

Originally posted by Cowl-El
I'm just going to pretend like those of you who hate Martha for this bit of advice to her son and think she should mind her own business, and what kind of a bad mom would deliberately send her son into an emotional coccoon by crushing his hopes and dreams, I'm going to pretend like you're not ignorant individuals with no experience in dealing with people who are in this emotionally fragile state.

It's hard. Very hard, watching somebody in a relationship, or even no longer in a relationship who pines after a lost love, or who is in a destructive emotional pattern. It's hard watching people you love so very much go through that. You want them to do the right thing. You want them to be emotionally strong and grow up and mature, but sometimes, when people you care about are in the middle of it, they can't see the way out because their emotions are clouded.

Martha did exactly what every good mother (and any good friend) should do. Tell them the truth, but do it with love. You don't want to mock and ridicule a person for their choices, but pointing out ways that might in the long run help them is what everybody should do for each other.

True, not everybody is looking for advice, but as a mother, it's always her prerogative to interject wisdom and understanding where she feels it's needed, and in my book, Clark DEFINITELY needed that little pearl. Clark and Lana's past is so jagged and twisted with so many secrets and little betrayals and little lies and disappointments and failures.

For Clark to still want Lana after all of that is understandable. But Lana, while she still might love Clark, she's made a conscious choice to move on with her life. Clark should, too. That's what he needed to hear from Martha, and that's exactly what she said, in so many words.

Don't hate Martha for doing what needed to be done. She loves her son and wants the best for him, and him moving on is for the best.

Awesome post. :)

[Krypton935]

That was great. I was like "yes Finaly!" It's just about time she told him I think that was the best advice she ever gave clark.

[darkone]

Shut the **** up Martha.She is hypocritical and opportunistic like a real Luthor.Goes to Lex party knowing exactly about how Clark feels and then she has the nerve to give him advice.Why oh why JK had to die.Thank god Clark is not listening to her.

[Colossus632]

Originally posted by Cowl-El
Don't hate Martha for doing what needed to be done. She loves her son and wants the best for him, and him moving on is for the best.

Regardless of the emotions involved, it goes against everything Clark believes in to stand idly by while someone gets hurt. It doesn't take Dr. Phil to figure out that a relationship with Lex Luthor isn't going to end badly but badly in a positively epic fashion.

Besides that, Martha is apparently ignoring all of the things Lex has done to hurt people in the past... AC, Bart, Lionel, her own son (!). Why would Martha ask Clark to "move on" and leave Lana in that situation?

Realistically, everyone should be stepping in at this point. Martha, Chloe, Lionel, Lois... they should all be reminding Lana of the person Lex is instead of just smiling and nodding while she gets ready to tie the knot with a vile, malicious egomaniac.

Why is everyone acting like Lex isn't the villain this story?

[Cowl-El]

I'll tell you why. Because it's Lana's choice. Not Clark's. Clark isn't in bed with Lex Luthor. Lana is. And it's her choice. So Clark's got to accept that. Yeah, he might be bad for her, but it was her decision to make.

So get of your moral high horses. This is about as close to real life as television can possibly get. People make stupid decision all the time and live with the consequences, and I promise you, if you went after your ex-girlfriend who is in a bad relationship and tried to tell her to leave him and be with you, she'd laugh in your face for being stupid and tell you to go away.

[Mod note: edited out for breaking rule #10]

Martha did the right thing.

[Colossus632]

Originally posted by Cowl-El
I'll tell you why. Because it's Lana's choice. Not Clark's. Clark isn't in bed with Lex Luthor. Lana is. And it's her choice. So Clark's got to accept that. Yeah, he might be bad for her, but it was her decision to make.

That is like saying that someone with any problem should be left to fend for themselves. That goes against the basic concept of Superman. Ultimately, everyone gets themselves into their own dilemma, right?

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Martha: Clark, there are people trapped in their homes after a series of storms! They need your help!

Clark: Eh, screw 'em. Those people should have known better. They live in Tornado Alley! Let them deal with it.
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Oliver: Clark, Lex is building an army. The kryptonite infected people from the Institute...

Clark: Oh, you mean the criminals.

Oliver: Yeah, but...

Clark: pffft... if they had kept their abilities a secret like me, they wouldn't be going through this. They made their bed, let them lay in it.
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Lois: Clark, President Luthor is going to start World War III! You've got to stop him!

Clark: -yawn- I didn't vote for him. He was elected though, Lois. What he does with his power is his business. Now could you pass me the sports page?
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At what point do you stand up and say to a person that something is wrong and it's going to result in them getting hurt? Do these people not deserve the effort? Set aside the emotions involved and look at the situation. Clark knows Lana is about to marry a guy who tortured his friends, tried to kill him, put his family AND Lana at risk and secretly experiments on other human beings. But, it's okay, because it's Lana's choice. It shouldn't be questioned or challenged and Heaven forbid anyone should point this out to her, especially Clark. If it were Chloe or Lois, would that make a difference? I don't think it does. I believe that Clark would do whatever he could to stop it from happening because he has the sense to know it would be a disaster and wouldn't want to see his friend suffer through that.

[Jetta]

Originally posted by Colossus632
At what point do you stand up and say to a person that something is wrong and it's going to result in them getting hurt? Do these people not deserve the effort? Set aside the emotions involved and look at the situation. Clark knows Lana is about to marry a guy who tortured his friends, tried to kill him, put his family AND Lana at risk and secretly experiments on other human beings. But, it's okay, because it's Lana's choice. It shouldn't be questioned or challenged and Heaven forbid anyone should point this out to her, especially Clark. If it were Chloe or Lois, would that make a difference? I don't think it does. I believe that Clark would do whatever he could to stop it from happening because he has the sense to know it would be a disaster and wouldn't want to see his friend suffer through that.

The thing is, there is a difference between helping someone and running their lives. Superman doesn't have the right to do the latter. Shortly after Clark found out Lana started dating Lex, he warned her and she blasted him for it. Chloe researched and presented information showing Lex engaging in criminal activities, but Lana purposefully ignored it. When Lana came to Chloe in Crimson, Chloe again tried to pursuade Lana (although she did give up rather quickly). The point is, that people are right when they say it is her choice. In Reunion, Lois tells Clark about Lana dating Lex: "that questionable decision was hers to make", and ultimately she is correct.

If someone wants to ruin their own lives and suffer, that is their choice. If they want help to correct their mistakes, then by all means help them. However, Lana doesn't want help. She made an incredibly stupid decision is is compounding it with further stupidity by ignoring just how precarious her situation is. In order to help someone, sometimes they need to want to be helped. At this stage, Lana doesn't seem to want to be helped. It is for these reasons (and the fact that Clark becomes a complete idiot when he is around Lana) that I support Martha's statement. I might speak differently if Lana went to Martha, Chloe and Clark seeking help to get away from Lex, but she isn't doing that (nor does she even seem smart enough to at this point).

[SmallvilleMan]

I agree with Colossus, Clark is doing what he thinks is right to help the girl he loves.


However, Lana doesn't want help

Says who? Just because she doesn't scream for help, doesn't mean she doesn't want it. Which is why she went with Kal to the loft. In addition to that, she doesn't know the whole story about Lex. Sometimes people need help when they don't know it. If you love someone, you do everything you can to help them, even if they resist. Remember da nile isn't just a river in egypt.

[Cowl-El]

Lana most certainly DOES know the whole story with Lex. Sure there's some things that he's keeping secret from her, but she's been there and had evidence of his evil thrown in her face time and again, but like a previous poster mentioned, she's chosen to ignore it.

Idiot girl.

[kal-el_Girl]

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
LOL!!!!! That made me laugh so hard. Yeah, Clark, she wanted the dessert, she wasn't betraying you. .

OMG that dessert looked delicious why do you think that Lois had two of them?
Yes, I would've gone to that party for the treat too, meaning RED K

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by Cowl-El
Lana most certainly DOES know the whole story with Lex. Sure there's some things that he's keeping secret from her, but she's been there and had evidence of his evil thrown in her face time and again, but like a previous poster mentioned, she's chosen to ignore it.

Idiot girl.

Or maybe she is jut smart enought to realize that Lex is doing the right thing.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lana most certainly DOES know the whole story with Lex. Sure there's some things that he's keeping secret from her, but she's been there and had evidence of his evil thrown in her face time and again, but like a previous poster mentioned, she's chosen to ignore it.

No she doesn't.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Of course if Clark did/does leave Lana alone and something bad happens ( which we know it probably will), then it will be:
"Clark, you knew Lex was a bad apple, why didn't you do something? "

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Loislvesclark]

Originally posted by Jetta
The thing is, there is a difference between helping someone and running their lives. Superman doesn't have the right to do the latter. Shortly after Clark found out Lana started dating Lex, he warned her and she blasted him for it. Chloe researched and presented information showing Lex engaging in criminal activities, but Lana purposefully ignored it. When Lana came to Chloe in Crimson, Chloe again tried to pursuade Lana (although she did give up rather quickly). The point is, that people are right when they say it is her choice. In Reunion, Lois tells Clark about Lana dating Lex: "that questionable decision was hers to make", and ultimately she is correct.

If someone wants to ruin their own lives and suffer, that is their choice. If they want help to correct their mistakes, then by all means help them. However, Lana doesn't want help. She made an incredibly stupid decision is is compounding it with further stupidity by ignoring just how precarious her situation is. In order to help someone, sometimes they need to want to be helped. At this stage, Lana doesn't seem to want to be helped. It is for these reasons (and the fact that Clark becomes a complete idiot when he is around Lana) that I support Martha's statement. I might speak differently if Lana went to Martha, Chloe and Clark seeking help to get away from Lex, but she isn't doing that (nor does she even seem smart enough to at this point).

Very true. You can offer help and support, but Lana is choosing to be there. Not only that, but she says she is happy there. It is her life, and she has a right to make the decision to stay with Lex. Also, she is carrying his child, whether Clark or anyone else likes it or not, if she gives birth to that child she is tied to Lex forever.

I think Martha gave Clark good advice. And just because she is making questionable decisions in her own life doesn't mean she doesn't love and want what is best for her son.