Mistakes/Inconsistencies & Plotholes in Crimson [Archive]

margroks

02-01-2007, 08:09 PM

THis is a retcon because previously there was no indication humans were affected by Red K. The entire school wore those rings, Chloe and Pete both held a big hunk of the red meteor rock and no one went nuts, only Clark. ANd it was so gross to let us know Lois stuck her tongue down his throat and that's how he got internally infected. Could have just said it stuck to his lips and he swallowed; needlessly gross.

Plus...shouldn't Lois have known it was a very bad idea to use meteor rock for anything? She truly pays no attention to anything her cousin says.

muffinpeddler

02-01-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by realblackhart
because she was like on a spell, so she can't remember anything while on it, What did you want, for Clark to give her a Lester Hypnokiss?

ugh. Unpleasant memories of rotten plot fixes.

Nospam

02-01-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by margroks
THis is a retcon because previously there was no indication humans were affected by Red K. The entire school wore those rings, Chloe and Pete both held a big hunk of the red meteor rock and no one went nuts, only Clark.

Yes, but I think the difference here is that the RedK was absorbed through the lips, similar to GreenK in that it must be taken internally before there is any effect.

Plus...shouldn't Lois have known it was a very bad idea to use meteor rock for anything? She truly pays no attention to anything her cousin says.

Well, we wouldn't have a story if she did that. Besides, it's Lois. When does she ever listen to anyone?

muffinpeddler

02-01-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
How did Clark and Lana get from the party to the barn? Superspeed? Nope. Lana would know the secret. Motorcycle? Uh uh.

I was wondering the same thing! "Did he DRAG her all the way there?!?" I'm amazed he can put up with her for that long, because you KNOW she was blabbing the whole way there.

STFanatic

02-01-2007, 08:24 PM

"Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? CLARK!! Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" :eek:

Nospam

02-01-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by STFanatic
"Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? CLARK!! Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" :eek:

:rotfl:

"Phantoms and Bits. Phantoms and Bits. Gotta find me some Phantoms and bits."

:lol:

Man, that was hilarious. Thanks.

Meteor-Freakazoid

02-01-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
How did Clark and Lana get from the party to the barn? Superspeed? Nope. Lana would know the secret. Motorcycle? Uh uh. But must we assume that they actually got there that quickly? It could have taken like 10 minutes. It's a small town you know. Or a small-ville, if you will.

Nospam

02-01-2007, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Meteor-Freakazoid
But must we assume that they actually got there that quickly? It could have taken like 10 minutes. It's a small town you know. Or a small-ville, if you will.

You don't think Lex would rush to the Kent farm looking for Lana? Perhaps in a CAR, a modern convenience that permits rapid transport. Besides, did you see the heels Lana was wearing? Small town or not, Lana wasn't equipped for a crosstown barn excursion.

Honey45

02-01-2007, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Meteor-Freakazoid
But must we assume that they actually got there that quickly? It could have taken like 10 minutes. It's a small town you know. Or a small-ville, if you will.

They could have been going from Metropolis to Smallville (I don't remember where Lex's mansion is..)

Either way, Clark could have driven a car.
I don't know why everyone's so hung up on how they got there.

STFanatic

02-01-2007, 08:44 PM

Because they left it out.

liebevision

02-01-2007, 08:57 PM

if this was any other show, people wouldn't question it.

Honey45

02-01-2007, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by STFanatic
Because they left it out.

They also left out how Clark and Lois got to Lex's mansion.
But I haven't seen anyone questioning that..

STFanatic

02-01-2007, 09:34 PM

Maybe that is when they actually flew, I would have liked Clark to show off more of his powers, other than super clothes ripping ;)

Nospam

02-01-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
They could have been going from Metropolis to Smallville (I don't remember where Lex's mansion is..)

Either way, Clark could have driven a car.
I don't know why everyone's so hung up on how they got there.

:confused:

Because it's a plot hole and this thread is specificially for those that want to discuss plotholes and inconsistencies.

Honey45

02-01-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
:confused:

Because it's a plot hole and this thread is specificially for those that want to discuss plotholes and inconsistencies.

How is that a plothole?

How did Clark and Chloe get to the talon?
How did Lois get to the Daily Planet?
How did Martha get to the mansion?
No one's asking about those.

They rarely show people going anywhere.. it's just assumed they drove/walked/took public transportation.

It's 2007. You don't need to show those kinds of things anymore. It's assumed.

Nospam

02-01-2007, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
They rarely show people going anywhere.. it's just assumed they drove/walked/took public transportation.

Clark: [gripping tightly onto Lana's arm] Lana, you're coming with me!

Lana: This is a bus stop, Clark!

Clark: Yeah, well...we're taking the bus.

Lana: Clark, can't we talk about this. What is wrong?

Clark: We can't talk here, the audience isn't watching. Just wait until I get you to the barn.

Lana: So...we're just going to take the bus in silence?

Clark: Yep. Here's the bus. Ah, I don't have any change. Can I borrow a dollar?

beatles4

02-01-2007, 10:06 PM

LOL! Nospam :D

Red_K_Advocate

02-01-2007, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
I was wondering the same thing! "Did he DRAG her all the way there?!?" I'm amazed he can put up with her for that long, because you KNOW she was blabbing the whole way there.

haha, yeah, she was probably saying stuff like, "Oh clark you're hiding more secrets and lies blah blah blah"

Originally posted by HeddyH
They also left out how Clark and Lois got to Lex's mansion.
But I haven't seen anyone questioning that..

Clark jumped from the Daily Planet to Oliver's Casa...so he probably super sped to Lex's Mansion carrying the future Mrs. CK.

...because anything that he did with his powers in front of you know would be forgotten.

TWNurse

02-01-2007, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by STFanatic
"Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? CLARK!! Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" :eek:

Oh that is hilarious:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :lol: Or she could be saying...... Just be honest, just be honest, just be honest.

Originally posted by Nospam
Clark: [gripping tightly onto Lana's arm] Lana, you're coming with me!

Lana: This is a bus stop, Clark!

Clark: Yeah, well...we're taking the bus.

Lana: Clark, can't we talk about this. What is wrong?

Clark: We can't talk here, the audience isn't watching. Just wait until I get you to the barn.

Lana: So...we're just going to take the bus in silence?

Clark: Yep. Here's the bus. Ah, I don't have any change. Can I borrow a dollar? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

This just gets better and better. :)

DarkseidX

02-01-2007, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
Clark: [gripping tightly onto Lana's arm] Lana, you're coming with me!

Lana: This is a bus stop, Clark!

Clark: Yeah, well...we're taking the bus.

Lana: Clark, can't we talk about this. What is wrong?

Clark: We can't talk here, the audience isn't watching. Just wait until I get you to the barn.

Lana: So...we're just going to take the bus in silence?

Clark: Yep. Here's the bus. Ah, I don't have any change. Can I borrow a dollar? :lol: Funny

NoSoupForYou

02-01-2007, 10:42 PM

You're right about how nobody else was infected by Red-K...maybe it's because the High-School people WORE them....instead of shoving them down the throats of others.

mtnmama236

02-01-2007, 10:56 PM

I also wondered how Clark managed to get the CD Lois made for him when he showed up at the Planet. The last scene we see Clark in, he give Lois the CD and asks her to go play it--while he superspeeds out of there. Next time we see him, he hands Chloe the same CD.

I second Canon's question about Lana managing to get the tool? That's a Lex trick, but I seriously doubt Lex would go and retrieve it for her!

superpal1

02-02-2007, 06:53 AM

I also wonder how they got back to the barn. I would think that since he already showed Lois is powers, that they supersped to the barn, thus he would have to superspeed back. If that is the case, then Lex must have really fast car to get to the barn so soon after they did.

Charissa70

02-02-2007, 06:54 AM

Clark:you don't even know anyone at your own engagement party!
Yeah, like where was Nell, who so graciously got to get hemoroids by sitting in a plane to get the ungrateful b.... at gown.

Where was Henry Small?

doesn't she talk to anyone? no friends at school? or are they now socially below her.

Oh, and why did the chisel bend? Lex's wrist should have bent/broken before the chisel bent.(or the chisel bounced off Clark) Lex boxes (or he did 2 seasons ago, BLL) but that does not make him strong enough to bend a chisel into clark.

When did Lana get the Chisel-it was lying on the barn floor-when she left with Lex and Lex does not let her out of his sight. And it will be found in her drawer, like his character took out the security camera and doesn't have people search through things. He doesn't trust anyone. Not even her-she did say she still loved clark.

And, why didn't Clark hurt Lex alot more in the fight? No thought on Lex that clark throw him across the room, through, what, a wall. and started choking him? shouldn't that have broken Lex's neck or does Red K weaken Clark (I know, it's just a show-but being consistent would be nice-I heard shows had 'BIBLES' about each character to maintain consistency)

WHY DOESN'T CLARK DESTROY THAT METEOR ROCK HIS FAMILY KEEPS? I like clark on Red K-finally had some balls

STFanatic

02-02-2007, 07:19 AM

From the way the chisel bent, I am thinking clark squeezed it in his hand.
If it were a stab as it looked in the scene, only the end would be bent and not other places on the shaft.

Also, The chisel was a woodworking chisel, not a metal cutter, thus not as tempered and better chance of it folding/bending.

SSJ Trapstar

02-02-2007, 07:25 AM

PKII

02-02-2007, 09:45 AM

In the directors cut Lois says she says she is in love with Clark Kent... in the episode she just looks at him and says "Clark" :rolleyes:

Fusionoma

02-02-2007, 10:12 AM

Here's a minor one, but did anyone else notice that Lois' lipstick goes from smeared to perfect when the two of them are making out in the Daily Planet office...

Red K 5

02-02-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by realblackhart
that is a little odd, but the vender knew a little too much didn't she, he is a Phantom Zoner that'a why, lol.
that would make perfect sense... or maybe she's a FOTW

meat axe

02-02-2007, 05:31 PM

I don't see why people are so hung up on how Clark and Lana got to the barn... it's a TV show, they want to show interesting scenes. Showing Clark driving Lana (this, I am assuming, is how he got her there. Probably nicked a car from the mansion or something. There would have been plenty there, and Clark, being on red kryptonite, wouldn't have any reservations stealing a car) is not an interesting scene. He wouldn't want to talk to her in anywhere but the barn, because that's like his fortress of solitude until his real one gets repaired or whatever. So basically, if they showed the scene in between, it would be "Clark! Where are you taking me?! Where are we going?! Where are you taking me?!" over and over again. Can anyone else imagine how many viewers would switch off in a scene like that?

As for the part about none of Lana's acquaintances being at the party, Lex probably dealt with all the invitation stuff, or one of Lex's assistants, so it would be perfectly logical that Nell and Henry Small wouldn't be on that list. Though, it would also be perfectly logical Lana completely forgot about them. They weren't exactly the most memorable people.

And the rest of the plotholes... I can't explain them away, they're just screw ups. And let's face it, we've all seen them before. And none of them were incredibly huge or end of the world type stuff. The way I see it, season six hasn't been a very good season. It's had its excellent episodes (I refer primarily to "Justice"), but had more than its fair share of bad ones. But now it's finally picking up, so I say leave the small plotholes and sit back and don't forget to enjoy the *sauce*.

EDIT: I almost forgot the tool from the barn. It's reasonable that Lana slipped back to the barn when Martha had taken Clark back inside and Lex had left her alone to get some rest after a very stressful night. They even started when the doctor was there that it was the next day, so I put at least twelve hours between Lana and Lex leaving the barn, and the tool appearing in Lana's bedroom (Party would have finished, or been interrupted as the case may be, around eight or nine at the very latest, judging by the fact that they were only just eating dessert. Unless Lex starves all his guests. The doctor probably wouldn't have arrived at the mansion until about 9 AM. So that leaves a half day gap that the viewers did not see.

STFanatic

02-02-2007, 05:33 PM

It is called "Nit Picking".
I believe this is what message boards were created for.

;)

Nospam

02-02-2007, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by STFanatic
It is called "Nit Picking".
I believe this is what message boards were created for.

;)

Right, just as mansions are made for snooping. :p

sonofkrypton

02-03-2007, 04:53 AM

Here's a plot hole I didn't notice discussed... how did the vendor know Clark's name? I mean, I know it is 2007 and some things don't need explaining but they never showed her listening in when Lois mentioned Clark's name after putting on the Red K lipstick.

Also, when Madame whoever she was tried to sell the lipstick to Lois, her explanation seemed to make it look like the aphrodisiac and the Red K were both unconnected. But why was it that Green K perfume was the solution for the whole thing? This is a pretty weak point but I would really just like to be enlightened :)

Now, delving deeper into another plot hole created by the lipstick (I don't know why but it seems that I noticed a lot of them coming from the central mover of the episode)... We all know CK and Lois made out, tongue and all... If it was possible for Red K to get into Clark in that way, wouldn't it have also been possible for Lois to get some in her system the same way? That would mean it should at least take some more time than a few seconds before the Green K perfume took effect.

In defense of Clark keeping Green K with his family, it is for the same reason that, in the comics, he gave a Green K ring to Batman. Just in case he gets out of line, he want to make sure there is someone he can trust who can get him back to where he should be.

All other plot holes: Lana whisking away the bent farm tool, how weird it was that CK and Lana got to the barn that way, etc... all seem to be correct observations. I guess they were looking too much at keeping the main line of the episode (Red K = uninhibited Clark = him fessing up to Lana that he still loves her = rocking the "happy" boat that is Lexana into probable capsizing) as well as plant stuff for future plot lines (Lana finding out Clark's secret = non-Red K Clark finally fessing up to Lana that he still loves her = Lana admitting she still loves him = end of Lexana = beautiful friendship of CK and Lana that is similar to the comics) that they thought that viewers would overlook these things... by now you would have thought that the writers of Smallville would know that there are people like us on these message boards who want to nitpick about the loopholes that they leave.

Oh, one last thing: why does Chloe get to give the heroes their monickers? She was the one who coined "Martian Manhunter" in this episode... wasn't she also the one behind some other superhero monickers in Smallville? Is that the legacy that TPTB will allow her to give the DC universe? Chloe Sullivan: namer of heroes. I hope not... :D

Stab

02-03-2007, 07:22 AM

wtf, the vender knew as much as she knew bcuz of that she was a "psychic" a "see your future in a class globe" chick. Nothing more, nothing less.. goddammit..

artemis_x

02-03-2007, 02:35 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by margroks
[B]THis is a retcon because previously there was no indication humans were affected by Red K. The entire school wore those rings, Chloe and Pete both held a big hunk of the red meteor rock and no one went nuts, only Clark. ANd it was so gross to let us know Lois stuck her tongue down his throat and that's how he got internally infected. Could have just said it stuck to his lips and he swallowed; needlessly gross.

ummmm, Lois wasn't affected by the red K. The red K just gave the lipstick it's colour. Lois was affected by the combo of whatever aphrodesiacs (sorry bout the sp), that the vendor woman put in the lipstick. It was a love potion- that made Lois all loopy and inlove with the first person she saw after she put it on. Because Clark is an alien, the aphrodesiac didn't affect him, so he didn't fall inlove, but the red k did affect him, which affected his ambitions. 2 different effects on 2 different life forms.

stuckinasquare3

02-03-2007, 02:51 PM

maybe the oils and stuff mixed with Red K made it affect Lois and then just the Red K got into Clark.

As for Clarks powers, I don't believe that Lois just forgot about them. I also don't believe that Clark wouldn't have shown lana immediately. Also didn't clark throw lex across the room and through a garage door in front of her? If she doesnt figure it out now she's an idiot.

Jenerator

02-03-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by margroks
THis is a retcon because previously there was no indication humans were affected by Red K. The entire school wore those rings, Chloe and Pete both held a big hunk of the red meteor rock and no one went nuts, only Clark.
No, the lipstick is - "made with jasmine and a mix of aphrodisiac oils. I get the brilliant hue from red meteor rocks."
So Lois was affected by the oils (and maybe the jasmine?) while Clark was only affected by the red K, and only after it was ON his skin, ie when he was kissed by Lois.
This, of course, doesn't explain why the Green K would have removed the effect on Lois, nor why it made her forget everything. Maybe she really didn't forget, but is a great actor? (Lois, not Erica D, I mean).
Jen (newbie here from Oz)

SVFan7337

02-03-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by sonofkrypton
Here's a plot hole I didn't notice discussed... how did the vendor know Clark's name? I mean, I know it is 2007 and some things don't need explaining but they never showed her listening in when Lois mentioned Clark's name after putting on the Red K lipstick.

Didn't Lois, still standing in front of the vendor, say Clark's name as she looked directly at him? That's how I thought the vendor knew his name.

Also, if you replay the scene, Jimmy and Chloe had to be standing right in front of the vendor's booth when they were discussing Lois and Clark having chemistry....they were behind Lois and Clark and slightly to their right, which is where the vendor's booth was revealed to be a few minutes later.

meteor_phreak

02-05-2007, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
Yes, but I think the difference here is that the RedK was absorbed through the lips, similar to GreenK in that it must be taken internally before there is any effect.

Well, we wouldn't have a story if she did that. Besides, it's Lois. When does she ever listen to anyone? i thought the lipstick had aphrodisiac anyway. the lady never said it got it's power from redk. she said it get's it's color from redk.

Moose360

02-05-2007, 03:04 PM

In response to a few questions in this thread, I believe people are curious how Clark took Lana to the barn because it seems implausible that he would not have used some of his powers to get her there, but that is never mentioned. He was on Red K, so why would he drive when he could just fly/hop or superspeed on over there? He clearly did not use his powers (at least not in a noticeable way), or Lana would have focused on that, rather than the screwdriver. I think they should have come up with some explanation for Clark not using his powers to get to the barn. Also, why would Clark not "show off" his powers to Lana the same way he did to Lois? Does not make sense to me. Good episode, though.

Loislvesclark

02-05-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by margroks
THis is a retcon because previously there was no indication humans were affected by Red K.

I don't think it was supposed to be the red K that affected her. Remember the lady said it was made up of aphrodisiacs and she used the red K for the color.

That would explain the love part, but not the forgetting.

dsv100

02-05-2007, 10:00 PM

The chisel or whatever tool it was should not have been bent simply due to Lex trying to stab Clark with it. For it to deform so much requires not just the fact that it's being thrust into something harder than it (like Clark) -- it also would require a great deal more strength than Lex has.

STFanatic

02-05-2007, 10:17 PM

From the way it was bent, I believe Clark grabbed it and squeezed. If you look at the bent areas, it looks more like fingers wrapped around it.

BrokenHero

02-08-2007, 01:54 PM

Yea, I don't know about Clark bending the tool by squeezing it, but that would be the only physical way it could have happened. He would have had to have done it very quickly though, because Martha weakened him less than a second after Lex thought he stabbed Clark - but its possible I suppose.

As for whether the RedK affected Lois or whether it was just the aphrodisiacs: My opinion is that the Lipstick Lady found a way to manipulate the properties of the RedK and mix them with jasmine and other things in order to produce the desired effect. Using a radioactive rock for coloring makes no sense. I think she just said that so she wouldn't give away the true secret of how it works while still informing her client of its contents (either way the FDA should check her out lol). This is NOT a RETCON since it is not the RedK in its pure form, rather a manipulated version mixed with other materials that affects Lois. This explains why it did not affect people in the past and yet why the solution was made of GreenK.

Janssen411

02-22-2007, 07:42 PM

Did they expressly state the antidote perfume was green K, or is that an assumption based on the color?

Typically in Red K eps. Green K's only role is to tame Clark when he goes on his 'drug' fueled bender.

Loislvesclark

02-22-2007, 07:46 PM

They actually did say that the green spray was made with the green meteor rock.

FULLMETALMARTA

02-22-2007, 07:55 PM

"Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? CLARK!! Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
:lol: :lol:
OMG!hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
:rotfl:

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
I was wondering the same thing! "Did he DRAG her all the way there?!?" I'm amazed he can put up with her for that long, because you KNOW she was blabbing the whole way there.
YES! she kept asking are we there yet?:D

meteor_phreak

04-12-2007, 07:36 PM

The only REAL mistake i found in 'Crimson' was that high-waisted skirt chloe was wearing at the DP. The girl is sexy no matter what she's wearing, but c'mon!!!

rollergirl42

04-13-2007, 03:45 PM

When ever he has been on Red K he has rode the motorcycle.

another thing that has bothered me is the way Lois just let Clark and Lana leave together. Then she was stuffing her face full of cake saying what has Lana have that I don't
She just rolled over the Lois I know know the General's Daughter would of fought for her man. I could just see her going after Clark and saying "No you just didn't dump me" Lana, you had your chance Clark is mine now, You have your Sugar Daddy"

Why didn't Chloe try to comfort Lois she is her cousin, she could of kept her occupied while Jimmy spayed her.

Loislvesclark

04-16-2007, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by rollergirl42
When ever he has been on Red K he has rode the motorcycle.

another thing that has bothered me is the way Lois just let Clark and Lana leave together. Then she was stuffing her face full of cake saying what has Lana have that I don't
She just rolled over the Lois I know know the General's Daughter would of fought for her man. I could just see her going after Clark and saying "No you just didn't dump me" Lana, you had your chance Clark is mine now, You have your Sugar Daddy"

Why didn't Chloe try to comfort Lois she is her cousin, she could of kept her occupied while Jimmy spayed her.

yeah, that wasn't exactly what I have come to expect from Lois, but I chalk it up to the fact that she was basically on drugs. She wasn't acting like herself. Maybe we were getting a glimpse at the more vulnerable side that she keeps hidden.

tk_ravenprime

04-14-2008, 11:33 AM

Hi there

I have one big problem with the whole "I stabbed Clark" moment. so this is really for the writers of Smallville.

We the fans have already come to grips with "suspension of disbelief" but you guys really push it sometimes.

Clark being who he is -- the man of steel -- is of course immune to being stabbed by normal things. The chisel would NOT have been bent by being thrust at Clark.

It is a matter of physics: irrestible force versus imovable object. Not considering that it was Clark, just a simple steel barrel, Lex would not have been strong enough to puncture the barrel with the chisel, let alone have it bend like it did.

The writers took poetic/dramatic license too far with that one.

its the reason Clark and Cyborg can stop cars: they brace themselves for the impact. They become the "immovabe object" before the "irrestible force"

It follows the same logic. Lex would have had to have superior strength to have bent the chisel. As it was he had no leverage to have dented the tip, let alone the have it crumble in like it did.

But thats just me.