Filler episode...?

[Ardiem3]

Can this episode technically be called a filler episode? I mean, he had alot of continuity and storylines revolving around in Season 6. 1 more phantom zoner is gone, 1 more to go. The Martian Manhunter. Clarks destiny. Even though it seems so, this episode was privotal in the season in my opinion.

[MidgardDragon]

Filler, no. Clark realizes that Lana isn't The Most Important Thing and breaks out of the AU, that's character development. Mentions from episodes all the way back to Season 2, that's continuity. Martian Manhunter is officially introduced to Clark, that's story-progression. The Clexana triangle, love it or hate it, has moved into a phase that will eventually allow it to flip sides or fall over completely, it is no longer a dormant thing that Clark just looks at with contempt, that's relationship-progression.

All-in-all, this episode was probably just as big for moving the story forward as Hydro and Justice.

[clana_never_give_up]

I found it not to be a filler, I found it kind of boring.

The very end was the only thing that made me happy, the conversation between Clark and Lana. Now that was great.

[k18]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Filler, no. Clark realizes that Lana isn't The Most Important Thing and breaks out of the AU, that's character development. Mentions from episodes all the way back to Season 2, that's continuity. Martian Manhunter is officially introduced to Clark, that's story-progression. The Clexana triangle, love it or hate it, has moved into a phase that will eventually allow it to flip sides or fall over completely, it is no longer a dormant thing that Clark just looks at with contempt, that's relationship-progression.

All-in-all, this episode was probably just as big for moving the story forward as Hydro and Justice.

I agree with all of the above.

[medes]

i think this episode is important for clark realizing the importance of his destiny and the importance of the people in his life... i think it was an instrumental episode for ironing his steel will and pushing him towards him being the future superman

[redraven]

I don't see this episode as a filler at all...it dealt with the Phantoms, not some random FOTW, so it moved the story along. There was continuity, etc. Definitely not a filler.

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by k18
I agree with all of the above.

Me too! This episode was great. I was just saying how some people would be kind of naive and one sided and say all of this episode was a filler when overall and entirely, its not.

[darkraya]

Originally posted by medes
i think this episode is important for clark realizing the importance of his destiny and the importance of the people in his life... i think it was an instrumental episode for ironing his steel will and pushing him towards him being the future superman and i hope that pushing is gonna comme by soon...:D

[cptep46]

I thought this story was important because it puncuated a conflict in Clark's character. Is your destiny to help many people with your abilities, or to stay home with Lana and forget everything else.

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Filler, no. Clark realizes that Lana isn't The Most Important Thing and breaks out of the AU, that's character development. Mentions from episodes all the way back to Season 2, that's continuity. Martian Manhunter is officially introduced to Clark, that's story-progression. The Clexana triangle, love it or hate it, has moved into a phase that will eventually allow it to flip sides or fall over completely, it is no longer a dormant thing that Clark just looks at with contempt, that's relationship-progression.

All-in-all, this episode was probably just as big for moving the story forward as Hydro and Justice.

Uh! What he said ^^^:D

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by Ardiem3
Can this episode technically be called a filler episode? I mean, he had alot of continuity and storylines revolving around in Season 6. 1 more phantom zoner is gone, 1 more to go. The Martian Manhunter. Clarks destiny. Even though it seems so, this episode was privotal in the season in my opinion.

Um, it was a total filler ep.

Nothing really happened- BUT I guess it got rid of another phantom zoner...

But it was sort of like, "Let's just repeat what we've said about a 1000 times" day in Smallville.

Lexana. Check. Clark acting like a BDA. Check. Angsty Clana. Check.

MY FAVORITE PART- SHELBY!


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Filler, no. Clark realizes that Lana isn't The Most Important Thing and breaks out of the AU, that's character development.

Not exactly. It was sort of a "Oh. I'm in AU world. If I do this I will probably die and won't be with Lana anyway."

[Ginx]

No....not filler.

This episode showed a little bit of what goes on inside Clark's head - who he trusts...what he fears - the Zoner just played off of information that was already present and just expanded the fears...the emotions etc.

It also introduced a face to the Martian Manhunter. Instead of just being a shadow figure.

And I agree.....Clark realizes that Lana is not the most important thing (she disappears) and he is able to break out.....however, Clark does realize he's still in love with Lana - so maybe now he can either get over it (hurray) or try to do something with that information (boo).

Clark also comes to realize (really realize) how much certain people mean to him - Chloe and his mom.

[CallMeClark]

No way was this a filler.

[Zach]

Well, the episode was awesome, and it seemed to go along with the plot at the time. But at the end of the season, it's probably going to look for filler-y. It was really only a fight between Clark and a creature from the phantom zone, a creation that they didn't even show.

I guess that he did take away the need to trust gut, and not so much what others tell him.

[xrayvision]

No way a filler episode. We finally got to find out what would happen if a phantom like Zod would try to take possession of Clark. It proved that what Milton Fine said about Clark being the original choice for Zod's host body was totally wrong and how that was a retcon, with Zod originally having his own body (in Solitude).

Plus we got the MM showing up and revealing more than ever before. There was also Clark finally realizing that Lana was holding him back. Filler? Not according to me.

[Superman's Princess]

I agree with everyone who says it's not a filler episode.

[Rafael122]

Nope, not a filler episode. Pretty good episode though, and I was impressed with the writing. It was more...mature.

[sUnKiSsT]

Originally posted by clana_never_give_up
The very end was the only thing that made me happy, the conversation between Clark and Lana. Now that was great.


:lol: i loved the convo between clark and chloe....can't stannnnd lana...complete opposite :p

[Super Snipes]

It was a cheap way to get rid of a phantom.

[Sydafex7]

First off, they needed to rap of the dream a lot earlier and let us spend more time with Martian Manhunter and the Phantom. I mean come on. Okay so the Phantom's power is mind games. I get that. But what a cheap way to get rid of one! We didnt get that much more time with Manhunter than we did in "Static"! We got to see his face and actually get to see him and hear him talk. but other than that I didnt LEARN ANYTHING about him except for the fact that he can enter people's minds. And actually I already knew that before. This was DEFNINITELY a filler ep. I dont care what anyone says. The writing was good the direction was good yes, but that doesnt mean it wasnt a filler. Was the season story line furthered along any, besides getting rid of one more phantom? Nope.


I wouldnt have had a problem with it if they would spend 45 minutes on the dream and then given us 15 minutes of learning about John Jones (not spelling it the weird way sorry) and the phantom and how he knows about the phantoms and Clark. Shoot I wouldnt even get rid of the ending. I liked the run in with Lana and Lex and the look she gave him.

We all know there is another episode coming with John Jones. Yes I know they will explain a lot in that episode. But WHY drag this character out like they have? They teased us with him in "Static" okay fine. Then they tease us some more with this episode.

with Aqua man, Impulse, Cyborg sometimes I feel they rushed them by cramming them all into one episode. I'm not saying to do that with John Jones. Im just saying balance it out a little. Teaser is fine. But this episode shouldve had an actual conversation with Clark, a little about himself and he phantom. Then give us another one with him and completely unveil him to us.

Did you guys notice that the screenshots T.V. guide had of this episode (with him and John talking, John with an Oreo, etc) werent even in the episode? It felt like a lot of the John Jones stuff was either cut out or those screen shots are from a future episode with him in it.

I dunno, as a whole, It felt like nothing really happened that interested me. The mind thing wouldve interested me if I found out more about it. But all in all. This was a Filler disguised as an important episode.


Originally posted by xrayvision
Plus we got the MM showing up and revealing more than ever before. There was also Clark finally realizing that Lana was holding him back. Filler? Not according to me.


MM revealing more than "ever before" "I'm from Mars. Im in your head also" Umm yeah already knew that...

"This is a Phantom. You must Kill him" Gee really?

What did he reveal? Anything about him self besides that he can get into peoples heads? Nope.

Clark realizing he doesnt need Lana. Okay fine I'll give you that.

THE ONLY thing this episode did was get rid of another phantom. That's it. They spent 55 minutes on a stupid mind game (which didnt even have a lot happening, Clark escapes, gets re captured and then escapes again) and then they split up 5 minutes between Chloe and Lana. Talk about running out of time.

People are saying that Continuity makes this not a filler? Sorry but mentions of past b/f's and characters from other episodes/seasons is barely continuity. Continuity to me is mentions of past EVENTS and dialogue from previous episodes/seasons.

Look at Thirst. Is that a filler? Well I mean it furthered Chloe's character a lot by introducing the Daily Planet and also it deepened Lana and Clark's relationship also.

First off, they needed to rap of the dream a lot earlier and let us spend more time with Martian Manhunter and the Phantom. I mean come on. Okay so the Phantom's power is mind games. I get that. But what a cheap way to get rid of one! We didnt get that much more time with Manhunter than we did in "Static"! We got to see his face and actually get to see him and hear him talk. but other than that I didnt LEARN ANYTHING about him except for the fact that he can enter people's minds. And actually I already knew that before. This was DEFNINITELY a filler ep. I dont care what anyone says. The writing was good the direction was good yes, but that doesnt mean it wasnt a filler. Was the season story line furthered along any, besides getting rid of one more phantom? Nope.


I wouldnt have had a problem with it if they would spend 45 minutes on the dream and then given us 15 minutes of learning about John Jones (not spelling it the weird way sorry) and the phantom and how he knows about the phantoms and Clark. Shoot I wouldnt even get rid of the ending. I liked the run in with Lana and Lex and the look she gave him.

We all know there is another episode coming with John Jones. Yes I know they will explain a lot in that episode. But WHY drag this character out like they have? They teased us with him in "Static" okay fine. Then they tease us some more with this episode.

with Aqua man, Impulse, Cyborg sometimes I feel they rushed them by cramming them all into one episode. I'm not saying to do that with John Jones. Im just saying balance it out a little. Teaser is fine. But this episode shouldve had an actual conversation with Clark, a little about himself and he phantom. Then give us another one with him and completely unveil him to us.

Did you guys notice that the screenshots T.V. guide had of this episode (with him and John talking, John with an Oreo, etc) werent even in the episode? It felt like a lot of the John Jones stuff was either cut out or those screen shots are from a future episode with him in it.

I dunno, as a whole, It felt like nothing really happened that interested me. The mind thing wouldve interested me if I found out more about it. But all in all. This was a Filler disguised as an important episode.

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
First off, they needed to rap of the dream a lot earlier and let us spend more time with Martian Manhunter and the Phantom.

We all know there is another episode coming with John Jones. Yes I know they will explain a lot in that episode. But WHY drag this character out like they have?

"This is a Phantom. You must Kill him" Gee really?

This was a Filler disguised as an important episode.

I agree that it may be a filler pulling the wool over oureyes but I still feel it's a good episode because it tackled the theory that Clark is a little crazy:)
they needed to rap up the crazyhouse bit earlier and maybe show a real fight with the Phantom in the end.
But i'd rather The M Manhunter have a longer introduction than just the last few minutes of the show. I give them credit for how they worked him in though.
And some of the ep's dialogue was SV basics 101.But still I liked the continuity.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
I agree but I still feel it's a good episode because it tackled the theory that Clark is a little crazy:)


Ar you being serious or was that a joke? Im just asking cuz I cant tell.

Clark is the LEAST crazy on the show. If people only knew what he has on his plate. The things he has to fix are crazy. But other than that, hes not crazy at all.

[alienkinfolk]

Cool your heels, it's a joke.
But let's explore a crazy moment on his part..I'm still in love with Lana and I was about to give it all up to be with her? A little crazy eh?

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
Cool your heels, it's a joke.
But let's explore a crazy moment on his part..I'm still in love with Lana and I was about to give it all up to be with her? A little crazy eh?

Oh I wasnt being like mean. I honestly couldnt tell.

Why is that crazy though? If you love someone enough wouldnt you give up everything for them? I dont think love is crazy. In that reality Clark wouldve given it all up to be with her. It wouldnt have been crazy in that reality.

Now in his real Life, then yeah.

[Liriel]

I can't call it filler because of MM. If any Chlarkiness progresses or Clana really ends, that'd make it even less filler-y. But I don't expect that.

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Why is that crazy though? If you love someone enough wouldnt you give up everything for them? I dont think love is crazy. In that reality Clark wouldve given it all up to be with her. It wouldnt have been crazy in that reality.

Now in his real Life, then yeah.

Were you comfortable with Clark giving it all up even in that reality? Because I wasn't.
I'd like to think that the TPTB were trying to show that there isn't any reality he can choose Lana over and spite everything else.
The fact he didn't choose her showed he wasn't insane.
There's nothing's wrong with love but even love has its limits.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
Were you comfortable with Clark giving it all up even in that reality? Because I wasn't.
I'd like to think that the TPTB were trying to show that there isn't any reality he can choose Lana over and spite everything else.
The fact he didn't choose her showed he wasn't insane.
There's nothing's wrong with love but even love has its limits.

Well see you knew that THAT reality was all in his head. We know that he has more important things to worry about in his actual life so of course you didnt like him almost choosing Lana.

But if that reality was all that we knew and that was the truth, then by god I hope he'd get the treatment and be with the who loves him forever because thats obviously what he needed in that reality.

In that made up reality, Clark WAS crazy and being cured and with the one he loves would definitely be what he would need. Anyways. I still say Clark is very very Sane and grounded. The things that go on on the the show would be very crazy to an everyday person living outside of Smallville.

[Drakaun]

I can't view the episode as just a filler. An example of a filler episode, Krypto. Apart from gaining the character of the Kent dog Shelby, who really isn't that big of a part ill this episode lol. Nothing else happend in that episode that would further the story arc in the least.

Labrynth, this is not a filler episode, first off, one of the Phantoms that Clark has been hunting finds him instead. There is this whole mind trip caused by the whole ordeal. In this dream world Clark is faced with many questions and problems that he never truly takes the time to deal with. What would you do if the one person you have confided in, and rely on to help accomplish your goals suddenly is gone.

The girl you claim to have undying feelings for, is she worth the fate of the world? Have you even considered the fate of the world before, sure you help a damsil in distress here, and a kitty in a tree there, but have you taken a look at the bigger picture, will this world wind up like your home world? Perhaps there are more important things then love to worry about.

There is a visitor who claims he is from mars. He appears to be the same one who helped you before, and yet again he comes through for you. He apparently feels it is vital that you survive, that you protect the world you reside in.

Perhaps the people you love and care about are more distant to you than you realize. Your mother is always away from home on business, you barely talk to her anymore, who knows what the distance from her son and the loss of her husband will cause her to do.

And perhaps the most important lesson of all, a dog is a Kryptonian's best friend!

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Drakaun
I can't view the episode as just a filler. An example of a filler episode, Krypto. Apart from gaining the character of the Kent dog Shelby, who really isn't that big of a part ill this episode lol. Nothing else happend in that episode that would further the story arc in the least.

Labrynth, this is not a filler episode, first off, one of the Phantoms that Clark has been hunting finds him instead. There is this whole mind trip caused by the whole ordeal. In this dream world Clark is faced with many questions and problems that he never truly takes the time to deal with. What would you do if the one person you have confided in, and rely on to help accomplish your goals suddenly is gone.

The girl you claim to have undying feelings for, is she worth the fate of the world? Have you even considered the fate of the world before, sure you help a damsil in distress here, and a kitty in a tree there, but have you taken a look at the bigger picture, will this world wind up like your home world? Perhaps there are more important things then love to worry about.

There is a visitor who claims he is from mars. He appears to be the same one who helped you before, and yet again he comes through for you. He apparently feels it is vital that you survive, that you protect the world you reside in.

Perhaps the people you love and care about are more distant to you than you realize. Your mother is always away from home on business, you barely talk to her anymore, who knows what the distance from her son and the loss of her husband will cause her to do.

^ Exactly.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by medes
i think this episode is important for clark realizing the importance of his destiny and the importance of the people in his life... i think it was an instrumental episode for ironing his steel will and pushing him towards him being the future superman

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

And this crappy episode did that how exactly?

[meteor_phreak]

I think it was both filler and a great episode...

He didn't do anything extroardinary. I don't think having a zoner in it by itself makes this episode less filler-y because we don't even know how many zoners he has to beat. I mean if there are ten and we know they all get defeated and he learns stuff along the way, fine. this wasn't a filler. but if there are 100, then simply defeating a zoner doesn't make this episode not a filler. I also agree with the posters who said MM had no significant advancement to carry to the future. sure clark knows he's an alien now, but considering that clark already knew he could fly and is very strong, how is knowing he's an alien that significant.

However, I still loved this episode. even the Clana didn't make me gag. I thought the relationship shown between clark and Chloe, how even in his imagination, she's the only person he can really trust, made it a good episode. The acting was top notch, and the writing was pretty good to. Even real-world lex was civil. It was good to see a break from angst.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I really like this episode.
It left me with a lot of questions.
Even when the writers piss me off, in reality its still good writing.
The opposite of love is not hate, its indifferent.
So even when I am angry at emo clark moping around , its still provokes emotion of anger out of me.
Still my favorite show.
Not a filler episode.
Best MR acting yet.

[krpto]

no we need more phantoms attacking clark that is the only way we have continuity. Isn't it sad the phantoms atlernate reality had more continuity with the past then the actual reality does.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Not a filler. I thought that at first but it accomplished many things.

got rid of another zoner ( I think, let's hope)

it showed Clark with normal human emotions of fear, confusion and doubts which was great to see his acting abilities grow

he realizes how important Chloe is and how much he cares for her and that she was the only one that believed in him.

we got to see Shelby again ( good boy!!)

AND and they threw a bone to keep the clana lovers hanging in there till the end of this season :lol:

Oh and almost forgot, we now have a face to MM so I'm sure he will be returning ;)

[LuvClana]

It may have seemed this way at first but this episode really helped the series. He finally stops feeling sorry for himself and moves on with lana, managing to actually have a conversation with her. The MM was introduced and it brought up Chloes history of mental illness again which I thought was important, even though it didn't seem so. All in all, strange plot, but very important.

[krpto]

It showed that clark still loves lana but knows he cannot be with her that all he can hope for is that she still wants to be friends when she learnd the truth about him being kal-el and that lex is evil.

[Chaos]

was great episode in my opinion, greatly written luvd it :) So nicely written if this was my first ep id ever watched it would have had me convinced :P

[Somnium]

It was a great episodes, I'm not sure if to consider it a filler or not. I mean there was SOME plot progression but not much.


His comment on how he was going to give up everything and everyone for Lana could be consider as a character progress, the same with "I woke up" line, the Phantom, we saw more of MM. But in the end it wasn't even 10% of the episode.

He could've learned a lot more from this AU, the most obvious thing, what everybody expected he would learn, that his power were not a curse and in fact a blessing wasn't there, not blaming himself for all the crap he supposely caused was not there and so on.

The episode was great, good writing, good acting (Welling and Rosenbaum) but I don't think it will one I will remember when Smallville ends.

[SVSpector]

Everytime a Zoner is caught it is a huge step in getting Clark to embrace his destiny and go train with Jor'EL....granted the MM has now taken care of two of them for Clark.

I did think the story was well written, it did show you that Clark fully trusts Chloe, is still in love with Lana and that he still does not trust Lionel at all.

[demongene]

I didnt think it was filler,I loved it.

[lana&Clark4ever]

i reeallly think this episode was waaaay better than JUSTICE.

in JUSTICE, it was sooo boring because it took forever for them to get to the fighting part.

LABYRINTH was better not just because of the clana love, hehe maybe a little, but also because it was sooo funny. was it suppose to be?? and plus we seee the that CLANA is bringing sexy back. did you see lana look back with a smile at clark in the end?? did ya see that? huh? DID YA seee THAT?! lol

[brother_of_krypton]

This episode was clearly Smallville in one of it's purest forms, even though it was different. It dealt with Clark's struggle with the world around him (in a different way this time), had a killer ending, and was just good to watch. The scene with Lex was actually my favorite part, as it showed utter contempt and hatred, one thing we've wanted from Lex and Clark for some time. Also, the fact the Phantom was subtle and shadowed from Clark was good...

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

One of my favorite episodes!

[krpto]

Yah we need another AU episode maybe what if baby kal-el's ship landed somewhere else because joe the drifter never met jonathon's parents (roswell new mexico) would he be the same person even being raised in another state by different parents would he meet other aliens in roswell. Or If his ship was seen by a news crew when he landed in smallville what would happen to him. would smallville kansas the meteor rock capital of the world have its own area 51 or would he have been treated the same and raised as a human hidden from the spotlight.

[cloisinmyheart]

it brought closure to clana

[meteor_phreak]

i'm not so sure it did that. god, i hope so, but don't be so sure.

I'm starting to change my mind about it being filler too. re-watching it and hanging around the forums...a lot more was accomplished in this episode than it would seem.

[borednow]

where is the non-filler but I didn't like it option?

[Honey45]

I thought this was half filler.

It did follow the story line.. but most of it was unnecessary crap.

Either way, I really liked it.
Much better than your run-of-the-mill FOTW fillers.

[Sydafex7]

Above person hit it on the nail. I feel the same way. Its just an opinion though.

It would be considered not a filler completely if they had shown more MM and taught us more about him and if they wouldn't have wrapped the dream up in literally 5 minutes. I looked at the Timer and there were 5 minutes Left and we STILL didnt have closure on the story. I wouldve live 45 minutes of dream and then 15 minutes of Clark straightening out things with MM, Chloe, Lana, Lex etc etc. THAT woulda made it better to me.

Either way its one of the best of the series by far acting, directing and writing wise.

[RedKRules]

I don´t think it was a filler ........it were great actually ;) :P