"I Still Love Her"

[vuec]

Originally posted by meteor
i agree with that..i think the reason people over react though is the fact that they have teased Lana-Clark on and off for too long, and most people are tired of it. i don't want them to go back to that personally..i want them to move it closer to the way it is in the comics between them.

Teased? Come on people, we all know how the mythos goes. They'll never end up together. Their time together happened and it's past, what's left is for him to save her one last time. He will be confronted with the revelation that in order to save her he can't be with her. But he still loves her enough to let her into his world. We also know that Lana and Lex don't end up together so it has to end somehow, and it will be because of Clark somehow. But at the same time, they won't get together because of everything that has happened between them.

I forgot who posted it but I agree with the fact that Lana is too needy for Superman, it'd never work out.

As for Chloe, she's that person who loves Clark so much it doesn't matter what their relationship is as long as she can be part of his life. But yeah she looked sick that Clark is going back on his feelings for Lana, I mean, who wouldn't be if you were Clark's friend.

The whole thing with Lois and Oliver is in my opinion, is setting up her character to be able to accept Supes in the future. With the setting up friends only with Lana and Clark, it'll open up the posibilities with Lois. It's a love hate relationship. Only thing I don't like is, how in the world will Lois fall for Clark's future self image? Not superman but the clumsy guy he will pretend to be. I mean he's kind of clumsy now but not physically. She's been around the Kent family so much she should know how Clark really is. I don't see how this will/can work out.

[logan00xmn]

Amen. I felt sick myself. Time is running short and Clark has to stop and grow up and start acting like the man he will become.

[logan00xmn]

Actually I think Tom is going on 30

[maryjanewatson]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Well, he'd have to grow some balls first...
But I think he left them with Lana 6 years ago...
maybe kryptonians don't have those?! :\

:lol:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
maybe kryptonians don't have those?! :\

:lol:
Seriously, I was thinking the exact same thing while I was typing those words...
:D

[logan00xmn]

LOL! Then how do they ........ya know.

[Brian Vash Ashby]

There is a fine line between Clark regressing to Lana and Chloe's feelings for Clark.

Although Chloe wants to be with the clark she doesnt let it rule her life anymore. She seems perfectly able to date around, and she has goals outside of the relationship.

What does clark want to do when the writers push this CLana crack? Be with Lana. Thats the end all be all. No goals outside of that. His life revolves around her completely. Thats the problem right there.

If clark said something comperable to "I still love her, but i need to start living my life for me" or something you could tease and subtly push Clana all you want. There wouldnt be a problem.

This, THIS is a problem.

[love_sv]

I don't understand Clark at all. He says " I still love Lana" after all he's gone through and after all that's happened? What does he expect to happen now - Lana just drop her engagement to Lex and run back to him? This is so ridiculous and I wish he would just either get over her or shut up and grab her again if he feels this way. All this yo-yoing "I have feelings but I'm going to sit here and moan and dream doe-eyed forever" business is so annoying and tiring and just ruins the show completely.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by love_sv
I don't understand Clark at all. He says " I still love Lana" after all he's gone through and after all that's happened? What does he expect to happen now - Lana just drop her engagement to Lex and run back to him? This is so ridiculous and I wish he would just either get over her or shut up and grab her again if he feels this way. All this yo-yoing "I have feelings but I'm going to sit here and moan and dream doe-eyed forever" business is so annoying and tiring and just ruins the show completely.
What can I say - I agree.

[2shae]

What up with this Clana hatin'...I think that the relationship with Lex is far worse.

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by Raging Clue
I would love to see MM come back and teach Clark how to fly.

Agreed! :cool:

[monstra]

Originally posted by dave73085
I've looked at Sweet before and they love to complain about how K-site is just full of Chlarkers and Cloisers and it's not fair that they're outnumbered. I pose the question: Is there ANY site other than Sweet where fans aren't sick of the Clanagoround?

I would actually say quite the opposite, that K-site is probably the most representative of the Smallville fanbase. As opposed to, say, a Clana dedicated site. ZOMG Clana r so hawt 2gether!!1!11!one!


Dear God, "ZOMG Clana r so hawt 2gether!!1!11!one!" :lol:

We all talk like that in Sweet, actually we're all like 10, and all of our threads start with ZOMG!!2!! CLARK & LANA ARE SO FREAKING HOT!!!1!!2! That's how we've mantained the site for about 4 years, Oh and all of the letters we sent were full of OMGZ! CLANA!!1!!2 too. It's funny actually. I guess Al enjoys that kind of reading.

And umm, how would Ksite be the most representative site of Smallville when no Clana's post here? *TOTALLY* makes sense.

And the Clana=ratings, umm well, i think the show is def at its strongest when theres clana interaction, if people hated clana SO much in season five when the promos were all about them, then well.. they did a good job at hiding it.

Oh yeah, and I guess you're one of the lurkers @Sweet who take our pics, spoilers, info etc from there :lol: Thanks to all of the lurkers for joining and giving us new members! *thumbs up* We're almost at 15000, help us get there please! ;)

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by logan00xmn
To Dangerous George: I take it you don't think Clark was moving forward towards becoming Superman prior to this episode?Also I hope mm does come back as a mentor he seems the most logical and after this episode it seems needed.

true story


Originally posted by XxKidMenuxX
I half expected it. If Clark's love brakes up Lexana I'm all for it, but i dont want Clana to re emerge.

then what would be the purpose of it all?
Oh yeah, forgot, this IS Smallville. . . sorry :lol: :lol:

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
Some are complaining that it means Clark's character is regressing. But funny, those same people have a whole different opinion about Chloe whenever she pines for Clark. Talk about regressing back to Seasons 1 & 2. And Chloe is supposed to be the voice of reason? :rolleyes:

She should try reasoning with her own inner demon rather than continue pining after six years for a guy who's not romantically interested in her.

Thank you!

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Thank you!


:lol: :lol: :lol: well done. :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)


Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
I think it's great that Clark is still in love with Lana. It's closer to real life love that way. Doesn't just fade away....and sometimes grows stronger the more you progress and suffer through life's hardships.


Some are complaining that it means Clark's character is regressing. But funny, those same people have a whole different opinion about Chloe whenever she pines for Clark. Talk about regressing back to Seasons 1 & 2. And Chloe is supposed to be the voice of reason? :rolleyes:

She should try reasoning with her own inner demon rather than continue pining after six years for a guy who's not romantically interested in her.


:lol: :lol: :lol: well done! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by dave73085
I would actually say quite the opposite, that K-site is probably the most representative of the Smallville fanbase. As opposed to, say, a Clana dedicated site. ZOMG Clana r so hawt 2gether!!1!11!one!

Romantic Clana fans may be an outspoken minority of the Smallville fanbase, but they are just that- a minority.


I disagree. There is no way, without a scientific poll that anyone can call Clana fans a minority of the Smallville fanbase because no one knows. There are millions of Smallville viewers, and maybe thousands talk about the show online. I'm sorry, but there's no scientific evidence that Clana fans are a minority of the Smallville fanbase. Likewise, I think there is no way to tell that K-site is representative in any definite way of the Smallville fanbase. One would just need a scientific poll to tell for sure. In my opinion, K-site turns out to be a heavy Chloe/ Chlark site, and just because a lot of Chloe/ Chlark fans come here does not mean that the Smallville fanbase at large leans heavily toward Chloe/Chlark, or that Clana fans are in the minority.


Originally posted by Dangerous George
:lol: :lol: :lol: well done. :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)


Gracias. :)

[Wendell]

Don't Clark and Lana *have* to get back together in some form before the end of the show, or at least Clark break up Lana and Lex? If the two basic character arcs of the show are for Clark to become Superman and Lex to become thee Lex Luther, don't you think Lex losing Lana back to Clark would be the final straw for Lex? The final push to the dark side for Lex and the final piece to make him hate Clark/Superman? Maybe they're dragging it out, but it seems like it was preordained by the basic arc of the show.

[darkone]

Best line from Clark since "Will you marry me?".Ohhh the Clana love. :)

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by Wendell
Don't Clark and Lana *have* to get back together in some form before the end of the show, or at least Clark break up Lana and Lex?
Yes, Lex and Lana are going to break up. Whether it's because of Clark or because of another tragedy (http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm) (Combat spoilers). There is no way Lex and Lana will remain together.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I disagree. There is no way, without a scientific poll that anyone can call Clana fans a minority of the Smallville fanbase because no one knows. There are millions of Smallville viewers, and maybe thousands talk about the show online. I'm sorry, but there's no scientific evidence that Clana fans are a minority of the Smallville fanbase. Likewise, I think there is no way to tell that K-site is representative in any definite way of the Smallville fanbase. One would just need a scientific poll to tell for sure. In my opinion, K-site turns out to be a heavy Chloe/ Chlark site, and just because a lot of Chloe/ Chlark fans come here does not mean that the Smallville fanbase at large leans heavily toward Chloe/Chlark, or that Clana fans are in the minority.



Gracias. :)


point taken, no greater proof is needed than the rating decline from season 1 to now, it has been steady. Remember Smallville broke Charmed's season opening record of some 7.8 mil with 8.4 for Smallville. You sure can't make the claim today for such high ratings. they probably make about half if that. don't have the stats on it, but there's a definite decline that most will not deny.



you are most welcome


Originally posted by Raging Clue
Yes, Lex and Lana are going to break up. Whether it's because of Clark or because of another tragedy (http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm) (Freak spoilers). There is no way Lex and Lana will remain together.

Lex is mentally ill. Who in their right mind would stay with a cold blooded killer? If and when little Ms. Ann awakens to that truth she's not going to stay connected to such horror. . . oh wait. . . yeah this IS Smallville anything goes. Damn the legacy, damn the mythos, damn the continuity. . . on second though. . . never mind. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DorkMatter]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Maybe you don't get what I am trying to say. Look, everyone in the audience could see that Lana in crazyland was t was not the normal Lana. And by normal, I even mean pre full-on Lexana. Lana has never been so sugar-sweet. AULana that we saw in the dream world was 100% creepy Stepford Pink Princess and yet Clark couldn't see it?

Although it depresses me to say this, it seemed that Clark didn't begin to trust "Lana" until he was seduced by her Stepford self (in addition to the other evidence that the AU was real). His brain (such as it is) knows that he can't trust or love the real Lana, but he still can't resist his perfect image of her. OK, now I feel like puking....


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
If he is supposed to love her so much and so truely, then why does he know Lana less than the audience does? How you can wake up and have an epiphany that you're still madly in love with someone when the only thing that dream told us about Clana was that he doesn't even know who she really is? Most importantly, when you wake up and finally do realize that she was false, that she was merely the Phantom's corrupted manifestation of her, how the hell does that make you realize that you love the real Lana - who wasn't even represented in the dream?!! Clark is in love with a fantasyland version of Lana. There's no other way to to describe it.

The episode was ambiguous in this regard. Metaphorically, he learned all of the lessons he was supposed to have learned, and responded appropriately for the most part, despite the temptations (such as they were). However, some of his words, taken literally, told us the exact opposite. At worst, he has regressed tremendously, while at best, he actually meant that he hasn't gotten over the idealized Lana who doesn't really exist (and he knows this, based on canon). I hope it's the latter, allowing him to at least begin to move on, but somehow I doubt it. In my opinion, this show seriously needs to be cancelled so that some forward progress can be made in the last desperate moments.


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
The question is, do YOU want to see that Lana? I sure as hell don't. Do YOU want Clark to give up his destiny to be Superman to instead hang around the pathetic excuse of a Stepford's wife that was in Labyrinth? Again, I sure as hell don't.

Yeah, that's another thing--it's difficult to either respect or sympathize with such a fool. I'd go as far as to label him a sexist for his attitude toward women as potential mates, were it not for the fact that he might be interested in Chloe. I guess he's merely a self-absorbed buffoon, both for the subject of this thread and for not having embraced his potential to do so much good for the world, even with people spoon-feeding him these ideas and demonstrating them to him repeatedly.


Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
I think it's great that Clark is still in love with Lana. It's closer to real life love that way. Doesn't just fade away....and sometimes grows stronger the more you progress and suffer through life's hardships.

From my point of view, that's not love but fantasy. Not that there's anything wrong with fantasy, as long as one knows that it's not real, and one can function in real life, which Clark seems to have a lot of trouble doing.


Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
Some are complaining that it means Clark's character is regressing. But funny, those same people have a whole different opinion about Chloe whenever she pines for Clark. Talk about regressing back to Seasons 1 & 2. And Chloe is supposed to be the voice of reason? :rolleyes:

I don't think that anyone would consider this progress for Chloe--that's an example of fantasy. ;)


Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
She should try reasoning with her own inner demon rather than continue pining after six years for a guy who's not romantically interested in her.

She still hopes that Clark will grow up and come around. That's not nearly the same level of denial and refusal to face reality from which Clark suffers. I'm still wrestling with my own inner demon about why I'm spending time watching and discussing a show that goes nowhere by choice. I guess that I have a lot invested over the years, and know that the end will come eventually (and it can't come too soon).

[meteor]

Originally posted by vuec
Teased? Come on people, we all know how the mythos goes. They'll never end up together. Their time together happened and it's past, what's left is for him to save her one last time. He will be confronted with the revelation that in order to save her he can't be with her. But he still loves her enough to let her into his world. We also know that Lana and Lex don't end up together so it has to end somehow, and it will be because of Clark somehow. But at the same time, they won't get together because of everything that has happened between them.

As for Chloe, she's that person who loves Clark so much it doesn't matter what their relationship is as long as she can be part of his life. But yeah she looked sick that Clark is going back on his feelings for Lana, I mean, who wouldn't be if you were Clark's friend.

The whole thing with Lois and Oliver is in my opinion, is setting up her character to be able to accept Supes in the future. With the setting up friends only with Lana and Clark, it'll open up the posibilities with Lois. It's a love hate relationship. Only thing I don't like is, how in the world will Lois fall for Clark's future self image? Not superman but the clumsy guy he will pretend to be. I mean he's kind of clumsy now but not physically. She's been around the Kent family so much she should know how Clark really is. I don't see how this will/can work out.

well, i call off... on.... off again... on again... off again and finally maybe teasing, but i guess everyone has their own definition. with a season and a half left in the show i think it's time to move them towards what they end up becoming in the mythos because i think it works well, but i guess that is up to the writers.

Chloe we have to see what happens in Crimson..if she dumps Jimmy because of some remark made on RedK that will be as bad as going back to angst ridden Clark and Lana. imo he shouldn't be with either of these two romantically for different reasons.

as things stand now i don't think traditional rules of Superman need always apply in Smallville. "Lois and Clark" did not have Clark as the bumbling clutz of the christopher reeve movies...they have already established the fact that Lois thinks Clark is a farm boy hic and someone she could never see herself with, although at the same time values his friendship and does seem to have a certain amount of respect for his crime solving/ life saving abilities. they could just leave it at that as a lead in to the future story...besides her romantic feelings for him have more to do with her finding out about his abilities than anything else.

either that or we're talking memory wipe territory. :eek:

[lana&Clark4ever]

^^^ agree with the clois part.

CLARK will never stop loving LANA!!

[love_sv]

She should try reasoning with her own inner demon rather than continue pining after six years for a guy who's not romantically interested in her.

I don't think it's fair to compare Clark's feelings for Lana with Chloe's feelings for Clark. Clark and Lana have been together and split up so many times so that's why it seems so tiring and repetitive when Clark makes this comment "I still love her". Clark and Chloe were together for a grand total of two episodes and have continued to be friends and have even grown closer to each other throughout the series. This is in contrast to Clark and Lana, who have so much angst and issues it's untrue.

I just want to say this: Chloe is NOT pining for Clark!!! I see this written everywhere and I think it's completely unfair. Where are people getting the evidence for this? Does she say to Jimmy, "I still have feelings for Clark"? I don't think so. I think she is much more mature in controlling her feelings than Clark is.

[vuec]

Originally posted by meteor
well, i call off... on.... off again... on again... off again and finally maybe teasing, but i guess everyone has their own definition. with a season and a half left in the show i think it's time to move them towards what they end up becoming in the mythos because i think it works well, but i guess that is up to the writers.

Chloe we have to see what happens in Crimson..if she dumps Jimmy because of some remark made on RedK that will be as bad as going back to angst ridden Clark and Lana. imo he shouldn't be with either of these two romantically for different reasons.

as things stand now i don't think traditional rules of Superman need always apply in Smallville. "Lois and Clark" did not have Clark as the bumbling clutz of the christopher reeve movies...they have already established the fact that Lois thinks Clark is a farm boy hic and someone she could never see herself with, although at the same time values his friendship and does seem to have a certain amount of respect for his crime solving/ life saving abilities. they could just leave it at that as a lead in to the future story...besides her romantic feelings for him have more to do with her finding out about his abilities than anything else.

either that or we're talking memory wipe territory. :eek:

I totally agree with those relationships needing to be moved on towards the mythos' relations. BUT, I see the Chloe thing as basically breaking up her relationship with Jimmy to pave the way for her to go do something else later because we all know she's not at the Daily Planet later and not with Jimmy. And like I stated before, Lana has to break up with Lex somehow.

Yeah, thinking about the Lois and Clark show, you're right but still. I can see it already,
Lois "Wow superman, you sure look a lot like a farm boy I am close to."
Superman "Oh, really?"
Superman uses super hypnotism, "Do I still?"
Lois "Oh what were we talking about?"

I just don't see it possible because of their developed friendship.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by DorkMatter
Although it depresses me to say this, it seemed that Clark didn't begin to trust "Lana" until he was seduced by her Stepford self (in addition to the other evidence that the AU was real). His brain (such as it is) knows that he can't trust or love the real Lana, but he still can't resist his perfect image of her. OK, now I feel like puking....



The episode was ambiguous in this regard. Metaphorically, he learned all of the lessons he was supposed to have learned, and responded appropriately for the most part, despite the temptations (such as they were). However, some of his words, taken literally, told us the exact opposite. At worst, he has regressed tremendously, while at best, he actually meant that he hasn't gotten over the idealized Lana who doesn't really exist (and he knows this, based on canon). I hope it's the latter, allowing him to at least begin to move on, but somehow I doubt it. In my opinion, this show seriously needs to be cancelled so that some forward progress can be made in the last desperate moments.



Yeah, that's another thing--it's difficult to either respect or sympathize with such a fool. I'd go as far as to label him a sexist for his attitude toward women as potential mates, were it not for the fact that he might be interested in Chloe. I guess he's merely a self-absorbed buffoon, both for the subject of this thread and for not having embraced his potential to do so much good for the world, even with people spoon-feeding him these ideas and demonstrating them to him repeatedly.



From my point of view, that's not love but fantasy. Not that there's anything wrong with fantasy, as long as one knows that it's not real, and one can function in real life, which Clark seems to have a lot of trouble doing.



I don't think that anyone would consider this progress for Chloe--that's an example of fantasy. ;)



She still hopes that Clark will grow up and come around. That's not nearly the same level of denial and refusal to face reality from which Clark suffers. I'm still wrestling with my own inner demon about why I'm spending time watching and discussing a show that goes nowhere by choice. I guess that I have a lot invested over the years, and know that the end will come eventually (and it can't come too soon).

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: all those wonderful comments on your part, then you just slay me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: bout those thar demons of youn'r :lol: :lol: :lol: :p too funny.


peace

[meteor]

Originally posted by vuec
I totally agree with those relationships needing to be moved on towards the mythos' relations. BUT, I see the Chloe thing as basically breaking up her relationship with Jimmy to pave the way for her to go do something else later because we all know she's not at the Daily Planet later and not with Jimmy. And like I stated before, Lana has to break up with Lex somehow.

Yeah, thinking about the Lois and Clark show, you're right but still. I can see it already,
Lois "Wow superman, you sure look a lot like a farm boy I am close to."
Superman "Oh, really?"
Superman uses super hypnotism, "Do I still?"
Lois "Oh what were we talking about?"

I just don't see it possible because of their developed friendship.

that is obviously gonna be one of the main questions that are gonna need answering at the end of the show...how are they gonna make sense of that, particularly with Lois and Lex.

Lex: "why Clark..why are you wearing that ridiculous costume"

Clark: "you must be confusing me with somebody else"

Lex: "Clark..are you stoned?"

knowing Al/Miles, like i mentioned before the dreaded memory wipe is a distinct possibility.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by meteor
that is obviously gonna be one of the main questions that are gonna need answering at the end of the show...how are they gonna make sense of that, particularly with Lois and Lex.

Lex: "why Clark..why are you wearing that ridiculous costume"

Clark: "you must be confusing me with somebody else"

Lex: "Clark..are you stoned?"

knowing Al/Miles, like i mentioned before the dreaded memory wipe is a distinct possibility.
LOL :rotfl:

[shirkie]

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[Brian Vash Ashby]

Originally posted by love_sv
I don't think it's fair to compare Clark's feelings for Lana with Chloe's feelings for Clark. Clark and Lana have been together and split up so many times so that's why it seems so tiring and repetitive when Clark makes this comment "I still love her". Clark and Chloe were together for a grand total of two episodes and have continued to be friends and have even grown closer to each other throughout the series. This is in contrast to Clark and Lana, who have so much angst and issues it's untrue.

I just want to say this: Chloe is NOT pining for Clark!!! I see this written everywhere and I think it's completely unfair. Where are people getting the evidence for this? Does she say to Jimmy, "I still have feelings for Clark"? I don't think so. I think she is much more mature in controlling her feelings than Clark is.


Agree. Like is said the vast difference between the two is although Chloe still loves clark she is living her life. Clark is not. When Clana is around that is all there is to him. He lacks ambitions, all other relationships are toned down, etc. She is essentially a development succubus.

And at this point Lana is too far gone for any relationship to work. Sure she's been turning to a horrible person since season 2, but with all the Lexana anti-meteor-freak stuff.....

As for whether or not K-site is a representative picture of that fan base, i'd imagine more so than not. Im a chlark fan, but i didnt come here because there was some subliminal message sent out to all us chlarkers saying this was a safe heaven. I came because its the best smallville site out there. The top dog. But that is really here nor there.

Even if every other smallville fan wanted this i'd still be opposed because its wrong for the story, and it makes all the characters come off looking like cartoon characters.

[meteor]

Originally posted by Brian Vash Ashby

And at this point Lana is too far gone for any relationship to work. Sure she's been turning to a horrible person since season 2, but with all the Lexana anti-meteor-freak stuff.....


i dont disagree about the relationship part, but i still don't understand all the antipathy towards Lana and branding her a horrible person. i really see no evidence at all of that until maybe the end of seson 5, where i understand hooking up wth Clark's rival and being b*tchy towards him would have bothered people (me included to some degree). having said that, it's perfectly reasonable that a woman dumped by her boyfriend would act that way for a period of time. i've also heard people say she shoulda just been happy to be with Clark and not press the secret issue. probelem with that is, they broke up becuase on top of Clark not being honest with her, he pushed her away emotionally and then physically at the end to the point where he would barely even touch her. there is no woman on earth that would be happy in a relationship like that...let alone the fact he dumped her on top of it. (i don't really blame him either..he tried to tell her in reckoning and we saw what happened)

yes Lana is emotionally needy and has made some wrong choices, but so has everyone on the show and pretty much everyone in real life. it just makes her character and the way it acts and reacts a bit more realistic. i'm generally interested in undertsanding why many people hate her so much.

[vuec]

Originally posted by meteor
i dont disagree about the relationship part, but i still don't understand all the antipathy towards Lana and branding her a horrible person. i really see no evidence at all of that until maybe the end of seson 5, where i understand hooking up wth Clark's rival and being b*tchy towards him would have bothered people (me included to some degree). having said that, it's perfectly reasonable that a woman dumped by her boyfriend would act that way for a period of time. i've also heard people say she shoulda just been happy to be with Clark and not press the secret issue. probelem with that is, they broke up becuase on top of Clark not being honest with her, he pushed her away emotionally and then physically at the end to the point where he would barely even touch her. there is no woman on earth that would be happy in a relationship like that...let alone the fact he dumped her on top of it. (i don't really blame him either..he tried to tell her in reckoning and we saw what happened)

yes Lana is emotionally needy and has made some wrong choices, but so has everyone on the show and pretty much everyone in real life. it just makes her character and the way it acts and reacts a bit more realistic. i'm generally interested in undertsanding why many people hate her so much.

YES! I feel the exact same way about Lana and I'm glad someone has stated it.

I can't remember that woman scorned wraith quote but that basically fits the bill here at the moment. And Lex has been her should to lean on. It started with mutual wants. First the Talon, then the spaceship but since Lana doesn't have anyone else she goes to Lex and the same with him.

[Crusader]

Best episode of series 6 ROCK ON CLANA!!!!!

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Crusader
Best episode of series 6 ROCK ON CLANA!!!!!

Clana is played out and tired. lets just move on. Thats like, having a great time in the 5th grade. Sure, it was awesome, easy homework and test, but we all grow up and we cant stay in 5th grade forever and we cant have Clark pine for and mope over Lana forever. Shes not all that great to begin with. Chloe and Lois are so much better and we all know that he does end up with Lois so bring on Clois.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by Brian Vash Ashby
Agree. Like is said the vast difference between the two is although Chloe still loves clark she is living her life. Clark is not. When Clana is around that is all there is to him. He lacks ambitions, all other relationships are toned down, etc. She is essentially a development succubus.

And at this point Lana is too far gone for any relationship to work. Sure she's been turning to a horrible person since season 2, but with all the Lexana anti-meteor-freak stuff.....

As for whether or not K-site is a representative picture of that fan base, i'd imagine more so than not. Im a chlark fan, but i didnt come here because there was some subliminal message sent out to all us chlarkers saying this was a safe heaven. I came because its the best smallville site out there. The top dog. But that is really here nor there.

Even if every other smallville fan wanted this i'd still be opposed because its wrong for the story, and it makes all the characters come off looking like cartoon characters.

you make some good points, but when you say "it makes all the characters come off looking like cartoon characters" duh, none of this stuff is real. :lol: :lol: :lol: that coupled with such bad writing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: too much.

peace

[Billy Jor-El]

What's bigger than BIG DuMB ALIEN, that just seems too small a moniker for him. Not only is he IDIOT OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE, he tells it to CHLOE, who gave a heartbroken look at the news. THEN he's nuts enough to tell Chloe that she means more to him than she knows. Like what? Fodder for the heartbreak society. Dang, he looked like Superman last week, now he's reduced to Dork-El again.

"You have two weaknesses....kryptonite and Lana" Lanite...ick.

And who else thought that Lana in the dream world just looked EVIL!!!! EVIL!!! EVIL!!!!! SHE'S A WITCH!!!!! SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!!!!!

[Luthorism]

This is so ridiculous. Still Clana? WTF??

[Ladyhawk]

Nope. almost ruined the ep for me. I say let sleeping dogs lie already. The real clincher for me was the lack of reaction/emotion to chloe having been shot when he "woke up", because well - it's all about lana.

[clois_lover10]

Why can't Clark see that he should just let Lana go and move on with his life?!!?? Seriously, I don't see the chemistry between the two of them at all anymore. He should move onto somebody he has real chemistry with, like Lois or even Chloe... seeing Clana being forced as a main theme each season gets so frustrating!!

[RedKRules]

Well, everything was doing great ........but when Clark said **I still love her**, I said what the heck?? get over it .....for cheese´s sake .....lololol, the episode was really good, minus this little phrase .... ........If Shelby could really talk and had listened to that .....I am sure he would´ve said ......please SHOOT me now !!

[kkjdt]

Originally posted by Ladyhawk
Nope. almost ruined the ep for me. I say let sleeping dogs lie already. The real clincher for me was the lack of reaction/emotion to chloe having been shot when he "woke up", because well - it's all about lana.

he did has a reaction when he grab Chloe ... he realized she wasn't dead right away..... so there wasn't time for anymore of a reaction.....
But you would think he would of come out of that saying..... I need my powers to protect people... Not I love Lana.....I hope they become friends and I want them too... but this I love Lana stuff :\

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by RedKRules
Well, everything was doing great ........but when Clark said **I still love her**, I said what the heck?? get over it .....for cheese´s sake .....lololol, the episode was really good, minus this little phrase .... ........If Shelby could really talk and had listened to that .....I am sure he would´ve said ......please SHOOT me now !!

Haha, if only Shelby could talk. We would learn so much. Shelbys always stuck in the middle of things and no wonder hes never around, hes always sick to his stomach with everything going around and puking in Marthas rose bushes lol :rotfl:

[RedKRules]

Yeah, sometimes I feel sorry for him .......but anyway I am really excited about the next episode .....can´t wait .....this will be the day that the Red K Rules ....

[mcgairman]

Originally posted by RedKRules
Well, everything was doing great ........but when Clark said **I still love her**, I said what the heck?? get over it .....for cheese´s sake .....lololol, the episode was really good, minus this little phrase .... ........If Shelby could really talk and had listened to that .....I am sure he would´ve said ......please SHOOT me now !!

:rotfl: That's a good one!!

[newfamfan]

I think that it was a real progression for him to quit denying his feelings. Did he say he was going to go all pining and angsty? NO. I didn't see that at all. If that was the case...then I even as clana don't want to see.

However, if the secret is out of the way..the angst is over soon ..and they do rebuild a romance to show the ultimate sacrifice on both their parts..than that is how Superman will evolve. He gives up Lana for all mankind rather than giving up his destiny for Lana. That is what this is leading to. A choice to give up what he wants the most for the greater good...and showing no angst and problems will make that sacrifice the greater. All other times it was sacrificing his love only to protect Lana or because he didn't see her accepting him. Now if things go well and clana comes back full force..if he sacrifices their relationship..it will be for his destiny and not her. that I want to see done right..that will make Clark Kent grow into the hero. And that will make this tortured romance end just and tragic.

[shirkie]

They should have just killed her off in "Reckoning" instead of JK. Then we wouldn't have to sit through all this nonsense about Lana being pregnant with the bastard child of Lex Luthor. I never signed up to watch "Melrose Place," I signed up for "Smallville," damnit.
shirkie

[lana&Clark4ever]

i was soooo happy when clark said "i still love her" to CHLOE'S FACE!! :D

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
i was soooo happy when clark said "i still love her" to CHLOE'S FACE!! :D

Then Chloe had a look of hurt on her face. 6 years and still nothing from Clark. No one cares about Chloe in that way and its sad. Jimmy breaks it off with her and then shell have no one again. Man, i hate the Lana storyline. Shes NOT THAT GREAT!

[Saviour of Earth]

Chloe isnt that great either

[Ardiem3]

Originally posted by Saviour of Earth
Chloe isnt that great either

Alot better than Lana, then again, i think anyone is at this point haha.

[lana&Clark4ever]

chloe is just going to a mental institution in the end. so it's best she doesn't get with clark.

[shirkie]

We have no idea what they're going to do with Chloe. Chloe is the only character on the show whose destiny is yet to be written. She is a blank slate, completely fresh.
shirkie

[Raging Clue]

Ok, first off, who said Chloe's going to a mental institution? Are you really a writer of the show incognito? Are you writing that episode in Season 7?

Secondly, Chloe is much more normal than Lana. Lana needs the mental institution. She's got more issues than Chloe.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
chloe is just going to a mental institution in the end. so it's best she doesn't get with clark.
Wishful thinking, I assume...

[lana&Clark4ever]

come on....ya'll don't think chloe's gonna end up there?? lol

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
come on....ya'll don't think chloe's gonna end up there?? lol
As of right now, I honestly think Lana will be there. Hell, I think she should be there now.

[BlueDiamond]

I hope not. It'd be the biggest mistake the writers ever made, even worse than bringing Clana back. Chloe is awesome, and Lana is horrible, that's what it comes down to.


He gives up Lana for all mankind rather than giving up his destiny for Lana.

She'd try to kill him if they got back together and he gave her up for the world.

[lana&Clark4ever]

ahhhh.....clark still loves lana?? can't wait to hear him say that to her.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
ahhhh.....clark still loves lana?? can't wait to hear him say that to her.
Why not tell both her and Lex while he's at it...?
Maybe at their wedding!!!
:rotfl:

[Nospam]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
chloe is just going to a mental institution in the end. so it's best she doesn't get with clark.


Man, you haven't lived until you've had hot, steamy mental institution sex. Go Chlark!

I also love how Chloe is always the one that seems to get shut into these institutions when she clearly isn't the paranoid one obsessed with secreth and lieth.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Nospam
Man, you haven't lived until you've had hot, steamy mental institution sex.
It helped Billy Bibbit, yes.
;)

[shirkie]

Yeah, honestly, if you analyzed both characters...

Chloe has to deal with the mental stress of having her mother gone because of mental illness, she has to deal with the diathesis (genetic predisposition) she herself has towards developing a mental illness because of her mother's history, and she endures the stress of keeping Clark's secret.

Lana, on the other hand, has had to deal with the traumatic loss of both parents and several boyfriends, now an unexpected (potentially unwanted) pregnancy, and she has a strange fixation on the secrets and lies of others.

Odds are if they've both made it this far without succumbing to mental illness, neither of them are going to do so.

All that being said, CLARK belongs in the institution for still loving Lana. ;)
shirkie

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by Nospam
Man, you haven't lived until you've had hot, steamy mental institution sex. Go Chlark!

I also love how Chloe is always the one that seems to get shut into these institutions when she clearly isn't the paranoid one obsessed with secreth and lieth.
:rotfl:

"He got your cuckoo sister to take off her panties by saying there were ghosts in them" :lol: Gotta love Anger Management.

I laugh so hard everytime Lana says Secreth and Lieth :lol:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by shirkie
All that being said, CLARK belongs in the institution for still loving Lana. ;)
You go girl!!!
I totally agree...

I am surprised that all of Clark's human friends (as well as us) have not gone crazy over that dude...

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by shirkie
All that being said, CLARK belongs in the institution for still loving Lana. ;)
Amen to that :lol:

[lana&Clark4ever]

chloe got it again.....she got the "i love lana not you biznatch" in her FACE. how many times??

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
chloe got it again.....she got the "i love lana not you biznatch" in her FACE. how many times??
Very good question...
How many more times could you take it, if you were her???
:confused:

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
chloe got it again.....she got the "i love lana not you biznatch" in her FACE. how many times??
I've never heard Clark say "biznatch" once, but I get your drift. Chloe has been disrespected quite a few times by Clark.

[lana&Clark4ever]

i believe it was 5 times....but i'm sure it felt like a gazillion to her.

[BlueDiamond]

Originally posted by shirkie
All that being said, CLARK belongs in the institution for still loving Lana. ;)

Yes he does. I'm really sad for him, because he's not really in love with her, just the illusion of her, which unlike the real Lana, is good and pure. Or something. I meant she would literally try to kill him, back on the last page, by the way.

[lana&Clark4ever]

no clark loving lana is truer than TRUE. it's love. LOOOOOOOVEE clark never knew what he was missin' but when clana gets to the kissin' they fooOoOoOOund...LOOOooOOOOVE!!!

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
no clark loving lana is truer than TRUE. it's love. LOOOOOOOVEE clark never knew what he was missin' but when clana gets to the kissin' they fooOoOoOOund...LOOOooOOOOVE!!!

What? You call that a kiss? Stepford Pink Princess pecked Clark on the check RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS ABOUT TO GET HIS BRAIN DRILLED! It wasn't even the real Lana for gosh sakes! It was his fantasy version of her. Which is sick by the way. Is that really wants of his woman?! Damn, he should just stick to playing with his ball in his barn.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
What? You call that a kiss? Stepford Pink Princess pecked Clark on the check RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS ABOUT TO GET HIS BRAIN DRILLED! It wasn't even the real Lana for gosh sakes! It was his fantasy version of her. Which is sick by the way. Is that really wants of his woman?! Damn, he should just stick to playing with his ball in his barn.
It wasn't his fantasy, the phatom was controlling everyone except him.

As for the kiss, I think it was supposed to be in those last few minutes with either Chloe or Lana, but I think they cut it out for some reason.

[Mysticlies]

Originally posted by BlueDiamond
Yes he does. I'm really sad for him, because he's not really in love with her, just the illusion of her, which unlike the real Lana, is good and pure. Or something. I meant she would literally try to kill him, back on the last page, by the way.

but he admitted of still being in love with her, even outside the dream.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Raging Clue
As for the kiss, I think it was supposed to be in those last few minutes with either Chloe or Lana, but I think they cut it out for some reason.
I can't help feeling the same...

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Raging Clue
It wasn't his fantasy, the phatom was controlling everyone except him.

As for the kiss, I think it was supposed to be in those last few minutes with either Chloe or Lana, but I think they cut it out for some reason.

And it was through that experience with the creepy Lana that he decided that he still loved her! :eek: WTF? Clark really has no idea who Lana really is.

That's cool about the kiss be cut out, good spec. But I was responding to the Clana that was praising that so called kiss that did make the final cut. :p

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
And it was through that experience with the creepy Lana that he decided that he still loved her! :eek: WTF? Clark really has no idea who Lana really is.

That's cool about the kiss be cut out, good spec. But I was responding to the Clana that was praising that so called kiss that did make the final cut. :p
Yeah, that kiss was pretty weak :lol:

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by RedKRules
Well, everything was doing great ........but when Clark said **I still love her**, I said what the heck?? get over it .....for cheese´s sake .....lololol, the episode was really good, minus this little phrase .... ........If Shelby could really talk and had listened to that .....I am sure he would´ve said ......please SHOOT me now !!

now that's funny :lol: :lol:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Yes, this sentence almost ruined an otherwise perfectly good epi for me...

[Khyla]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yes, this sentence almost ruined an otherwise perfectly good epi for me... this sentence DID ruin an otherwise perfectly good epi for me. :mad:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Khyla
this sentence DID ruin an otherwise perfectly good epi for me. :mad:
<sigh.>
POSITIVITY, PEOPLE!!!
Good to see you're back, Khyla...
;)

[Khyla]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
<sigh.>
POSITIVITY, PEOPLE!!!
Good to see you're back, Khyla...
;) :D


Sorry if the following makes any anti-Clanists throw up:

The zoner, and die-hard Clana fans, only wanted to give Clana what they've wanted all along; a chance to live in a dream-world forever where they can be blissfully happy ever after, coming to each other's beck and call whenever they wished and leave the rest of the world to it's woes ... while they live in their little loft playhouse.

The zoner wanted to bestow this ultimate gift of love to Clark because it's the only relationship that will give him true happiness without any need or worries about fulfuilling his destiny or maturing and becoming Superman.

the Zoner and Lana knows what's best for Clark. Is that so hard to accept?

:eek: NOT!!!!



a ray of hope:

Seriously, when the Zoner realized that Lana alone was not enough to convince Clark that he needed the "treatment" , He went after the one thing clark was clinging to the most; the girl who believed in him and knew more about him than anyone. Even trying to convince clark that chloe was crazy wasn't enough. the zoner had to "remove" her by convincing clark she was dead.

Chloe's death was the only thing that truly affected him enough to make him want to "give up the fight"

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Khyla
Chloe's death was the only thing that truly affected him enough to make him want to "give up the fight"
Put it in an envelope and send it to:
Clark Kent, Smallville, Kansas.
.
.
:rolleyes:
Well done, Khyla.

[XFlamez]

i've been reading, i see too many people complaining and whining about clana.
first off its not a big deal and i don't see how its stupid that clark still has feelings for lana
sorry but the whole season, everytime lana's name was mentioned he felt awkward.
it was never mentioned in any episode that he didn't love her, he just didn't say anything

and plus this episodes separates the whole clana thing now because of the ending lana is arranging the wedding
i don't get why you people feel like this "clana" thing is stuck up your asses. Let it go and watch the show.

instead of hating the situation, understand it and think about why it was shown.
you guys need to learn how to watch tv without whining

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by XFlamez
i've been reading, i see too many people complaining and whining about clana.
first off its not a big deal and i don't see how its stupid that clark still has feelings for lana
sorry but the whole season, everytime lana's name was mentioned he felt awkward.
it was never mentioned in any episode that he didn't love her, he just didn't say anything

and plus this episodes separates the whole clana thing now because of the ending lana is arranging the wedding
i don't get why you people feel like this "clana" thing is stuck up your asses. Let it go and watch the show.

instead of hating the situation, understand it and think about why it was shown.
you guys need to learn how to watch tv without whining

:lol: :lol: :lol: too funny. good one. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DorkMatter]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
i was soooo happy when clark said "i still love her" to CHLOE'S FACE!! :D

Clark is so honest and open with Chloe, isn't he? There is a reason for this, just like there is a reason that he can't be honest with Lana. When he finally grows up enough, he'll realize that Chloe is the woman he truly loves in every way, as opposed to the shallow childhood infatuation he has had for Lana. Unfortunately, he's just not quite at this point yet.

And for those who would pull the "just friends" card right about now, there is infinitely more love, devotion, and merit in such friendship than anything Clark ever had or ever will have with Lana. Clark doesn't even know whether he could "be with" a human woman anyway, but we know that as long as Chloe is around, he's not going to be alone on this planet, in whichever direction their relationship develops from here on out.


Originally posted by Ardiem3
Then Chloe had a look of hurt on her face. 6 years and still nothing from Clark. No one cares about Chloe in that way and its sad. Jimmy breaks it off with her and then shell have no one again.

No big deal--these days, it takes most people longer than this to find the right person. Jimmy isn't right for Chloe anyway, at least presently.


Originally posted by Ardiem3
Man, i hate the Lana storyline. Shes NOT THAT GREAT!

Both Lana and Clana are sometimes creepy and always boring. They're so boring that Clark almost had his head literally bored into by a drill as a result!


Originally posted by Saviour of Earth
Chloe isnt that great either

At least she's not boring.


Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
chloe is just going to a mental institution in the end. so it's best she doesn't get with clark.

So where else is this quasi-Superman going to end up besides the padded cell next to Chloe's? Maybe that will happen only after he gets bored out of his mind making pink doilies all day long with his boring Stepford princess. :rolleyes: I'm sure that Al/Miles will be joining them shortly.


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Why not tell both her and Lex while he's at it...?
Maybe at their wedding!!!
:rotfl:

Come on, even Al/Miles wouldn't stoop so low as to rip off such a poorly-written movie as Spider-Man 2...oh wait.... ;)


Originally posted by Nospam
Man, you haven't lived until you've had hot, steamy mental institution sex. Go Chlark!

Word of advice: don't mess with the one named Sarah Connor--trust me on this. :)


Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
chloe got it again.....she got the "i love lana not you biznatch" in her FACE. how many times??

This doesn't hurt Chloe as much as it used to because she knows that Clark trusts and loves her, if not yet in a romantic sense. On the other hand, he'll devastate Lana yet again in due time, and I can't wait to see the reaction here. In the meantime, we get to enjoy watching Lana seethe with jealousy over the fact that Chloe knows Clark's secret, and that he trusts Chloe more than anyone else.


Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
no clark loving lana is truer than TRUE. it's love. LOOOOOOOVEE clark never knew what he was missin' but when clana gets to the kissin' they fooOoOoOOund...LOOOooOOOOVE!!!

If that's what "love" is, then he and everyone else on this planet would be better off without it.


Originally posted by Khyla
Seriously, when the Zoner realized that Lana alone was not enough to convince Clark that he needed the "treatment" , He went after the one thing clark was clinging to the most; the girl who believed in him and knew more about him than anyone. Even trying to convince clark that chloe was crazy wasn't enough. the zoner had to "remove" her by convincing clark she was dead.

Chloe's death was the only thing that truly affected him enough to make him want to "give up the fight"

That's right, and looking at this scenario from a slightly different perspective, we were shown that given the choice (and although he hesitated for a moment to think), Clark would run off with Chloe regardless of whether they were both crazy. He even resisted after basically accepting the AU as reality, and only resigned in defeat when he fully registered that Chloe was dead. Moreover, it's interesting to note that at this point, Clark believed that he had been human all along, which means that Chloe was not just his confidante who kept his secret and helped him out all the time. And she's not just his connection to humanity, either, as profound as that is. No, Chloe means even more than all of that to him, and this realization is why he had to let her know in real life later on.


Originally posted by XFlamez
i've been reading, i see too many people complaining and whining about clana.
first off its not a big deal and i don't see how its stupid that clark still has feelings for lana
sorry but the whole season, everytime lana's name was mentioned he felt awkward.
it was never mentioned in any episode that he didn't love her, he just didn't say anything

and plus this episodes separates the whole clana thing now because of the ending lana is arranging the wedding
i don't get why you people feel like this "clana" thing is stuck up your asses. Let it go and watch the show.

instead of hating the situation, understand it and think about why it was shown.
you guys need to learn how to watch tv without whining

You make some valid points, but I have to ask whether whining about whining counts, or does it somehow cancel out? ;)

[velocity]

How was his words unexpected? after Hydro i thought it was obvious he still had feelings for her.

[wolverine316]

Originally posted by SpeedDemon77
I think it's great that Clark is still in love with Lana. It's closer to real life love that way. Doesn't just fade away....and sometimes grows stronger the more you progress and suffer through life's hardships.


Some are complaining that it means Clark's character is regressing. But funny, those same people have a whole different opinion about Chloe whenever she pines for Clark. Talk about regressing back to Seasons 1 & 2. And Chloe is supposed to be the voice of reason? :rolleyes:

She should try reasoning with her own inner demon rather than continue pining after six years for a guy who's not romantically interested in her.

Thank you. All this complaining calling Clark being a big dumb ass who is regressing is ridiculous. Yes he still loves Lana. Does that mean is isn't going to seek out the rest of the zoners? Does that mean he isn't going to fullfill his training with Jor el? Does that mean in the future he isn't going to join Ollie and the rest of the team? The answer despite his love for Lana he will continue to move forward. The real question which people don't seem to talk alot about is Chloe. After all this years of playing second fiddle to Lana you still are in love with Clark. After supposedly moving on with Jimmy (in my opinion who is beneath you) you are still in love with Clark. Instead of everyone yelling at their screens about Clark why not shake your head at the patheticness of Chloe?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by wolverine316
Instead of everyone yelling at their screens about Clark why not shake your head at the patheticness of Chloe?
Never. That's where we disagree.
Clark is way more pathetic than Chloe, IMO...

[HotStudsSuccess]

Let me guess, most of everyone here after seeing this episode then put in the Reckoning episode and re-watched that death scene of Lana's 5 times or more.

You can admiit it now!!!

I didn't do it but most some people on here did :lol:

[BizzaroJerry]

Chloe hides her feelings better,

She buries them deep within herself; they only come out when she finds it REALLY difficult to hide them :-).

Its Clark who is the BDA, he literally throws himself at Lana, Labyrinth only proves the point, its gotten so bad that is almost destroyed him.

Even Clark knows that now, although he needs to tell Chloe this to help reaffirm his relationship with her as his deepest confidant by telling her although he has strong feelings for Lana there is something there for Chloe that he doesn't want to tell her or can’t even explain at this time.

If he used the word Love for Lana and then for Chloe it would only cheapen the previous statement. Love is a serious emotion to feel for someone, Clark knows now that for him to progress forward with someone who is really good for him he has to let it all go.

All the love, all the hate and all the baggage, just let it all go, so he can move on.

Clana is a fairytale a dream, something that most real people can't really relate too, while the Chlark is real, relationships like theirs happen all the time, I suspect a lot of people here on the forums have been through it, some of them successful some of them even now still pining for that unrequited love, somewhere deep in their hearts.

Chloe its loyal dedicated and committed.

She even slept with someone else in an effort to get over the Chlark but alas her feelings for him run silent and they run deep......

While Clark and Lana have numerous side relationships which have mostly ended not of there choosing i.e. Alicia etc. How strong is that Clana love oh yeah!

Is she still pathetic? If she is then at the same time a lot of the people in this board are pathetic, and you go around calling them that ….

Them be fighting words mister! :-) :-)

Most Chlarkers like the Chlark because its real and it hurts us just to look at it.

OH BTW just look at those poll numbers , phew look at that disparity

[Fly by guy]

The only person Clark has told that he doesn't love Lana is Lana, and that was a lie he told thinking he needs to protect her from his enemies. But even if you love someone it doesn't mean you are together. Especially in Smallville.

[Khyla]

Originally posted by DorkMatter
Clark is so honest and open with Chloe, isn't he? There is a reason for this, just like there is a reason that he can't be honest with Lana. When he finally grows up enough, he'll realize that Chloe is the woman he truly loves in every way, as opposed to the shallow childhood infatuation he has had for Lana. Unfortunately, he's just not quite at this point yet.

And for those who would pull the "just friends" card right about now, there is infinitely more love, devotion, and merit in such friendship than anything Clark ever had or ever will have with Lana. Clark doesn't even know whether he could "be with" a human woman anyway, but we know that as long as Chloe is around, he's not going to be alone on this planet, in whichever direction their relationship develops from here on out.

...Chloe was not just his confidante who kept his secret and helped him out all the time. And she's not just his connection to humanity, either, as profound as that is. No, Chloe means even more than all of that to him, and this realization is why he had to let her know in real life later on. You've made some excellent points here! :)





Originally posted by BizzaroJerry
Clana is a fairytale a dream, something that most real people can't really relate too, while the Chlark is real,

OH BTW just look at those poll numbers , phew look at that disparity Clark doesn't know what love is... yet. His "love" for Lana is like the love one has for a pet. I'm glad he hasn't told CHloe he loves her if that's his definition of love.

[chlarkfan333]

The word love is abused on SV and many TV shows/movies. Neither Clark nor Lana know how to love someone in a way that doesn't make it melodramatic. Love requires a degree of maturity neither one of them possesses yet and just b/c one goes to extreme lengths to protect someone doesn't automatically mean it's 'love.' An opinion, not a statement of fact, btw.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by velocity
How was his words unexpected? after Hydro i thought it was obvious he still had feelings for her.
I thought the same thing. Now if he acted on those feelings, then that would have been a little unexpected.

[lana&Clark4ever]

Originally posted by XFlamez
i've been reading, i see too many people complaining and whining about clana.
first off its not a big deal and i don't see how its stupid that clark still has feelings for lana
sorry but the whole season, everytime lana's name was mentioned he felt awkward.
it was never mentioned in any episode that he didn't love her, he just didn't say anything

and plus this episodes separates the whole clana thing now because of the ending lana is arranging the wedding
i don't get why you people feel like this "clana" thing is stuck up your asses. Let it go and watch the show.

instead of hating the situation, understand it and think about why it was shown.
you guys need to learn how to watch tv without whining



tell them how it is!! clana is gonna be in the storyline until this show is over.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
tell them how it is!! clana is gonna be in the storyline until this show is over.

Just because it is doesn't mean it ought to be. Some fans think Clana has run its course and are understandably frustrated to see it return in such a manner. There's nothing wrong in the objection, as I see it. Same is true for the converse.

[Dangerous George]

very good

[lana&Clark4ever]

this show got new superman fans....welll mostly new fans for clana and why not let them have a good ending?? without them i'm not sure that this show would even have a 6th season.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
this show got new superman fans....welll mostly new fans for clana and why not let them have a good ending?? without them i'm not sure that this show would even have a 6th season.

Please don't make claims like that without proof. I can't speak for others, but I find it condescending, to say in the least.

For now, I will let my ire pass and answer your question civilly, assuming it isn't rhetorical.

Why not let Clana fans have a good ending?

Even assuming the premise is true, here's why not - Just because there are more people who want something (whatever that something is), doesn't mean they deserve it or have a right to it. I could also argue that what's good for Clana may not necessarily be good for the show.

In any event your argument begs the question. Your premise (this show's new fans are mostly Clana fans) is as dubious as your conclusion (therefore Clana fans should have their happy ending), which doesn't follow from the premise as it is.

Lastly, your third statement is also pure speculation.

[DorkMatter]

Originally posted by HotStu***uccess
Let me guess, most of everyone here after seeing this episode then put in the Reckoning episode and re-watched that death scene of Lana's 5 times or more.

I most certainly did not, but that's probably only because I'm so burnt out after having watched it like a hundred times in a row back then. You see, ultimately everything involving Lana or Clana becomes repetitive, even something as cool as her gruesome death. The only exception is when Meteor the Stompy Horse stomped the crap out of Lana in Shattered. I never get tired of watching that scene--I always keep a copy handy in my display case, right next to the preserved human fetuses. And Clark's nonchalant reaction to seeing her leg all humorously (or rather femurously) twisted like that is equally priceless. I did in fact watch this scene again immediately after watching Labyrinth, but it had nothing to do with the contents of this episode. :D


Originally posted by chlarkfan333
The word love is abused on SV and many TV shows/movies.

The way I look at this, "love" means zero in tennis and some other sports, and interestingly enough, that's pretty much what the word means with regard to human relationships in most fictional stories. The main problem is that many people view "love" as a feeling, when it's really not. It may give rise to similar feelings that one can get from a variety of sources, such as sexual attraction or narcotics, but real love is not the feeling per se.


Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Neither Clark nor Lana know how to love someone in a way that doesn't make it melodramatic. Love requires a degree of maturity neither one of them possesses yet

I know and agree with what you're saying, but in my opinion, Clark already loves Chloe very deeply, and would be "in love" (as much as I dislike using this trite term) with her if he were mature enough to understand his own heart. Lana is a weird, unhealthy childhood obsession that he has, thus far, only been able to momentarily overcome with great effort.

Lana has related issues, although she does have some idea of what true love is. For some reason (maybe because she considers him hot?), she desperately wants Clark to truly love her, but what she wants from him he gives to Chloe without even realizing what all of this really means. It's the same thing Lana has convinced herself that Lex gives to her.

In short, Clark's problem is that while he truly loves Chloe and she truly loves him in return, he doesn't know what love is, and believes that he and Lana are in love because of the "feelings" they have. Lana's problem is that even though she basically knows what true love is, she'll have feelings for and shack up with any guy as long as she's convinced that he truly loves her. Even more to the point, Clark is a fool, Lana is a tool, and this show truly is a soap opera by design. :)

I'd be tempted to say that he and she therefore deserve each other, but Chlark redeems the BDA...hmmm...maybe I'm the tool here. ;) After all this time and so-called "drama" I'm more than ready for Clark to finally open his eyes and look deeper in order to fully recognize what he has with Chloe, and realize how fortunate and blessed he is, especially under the circumstances. That's your wife, Clark--that's who Chloe should be. Wake up!

[chlarkfan333]

DorkMatter, I agree with what you say in your post for the most part. I should have expanded and explained myself better in my previous rant. :)


On a sidenote -


I never get tired of watching that scene--I always keep a copy handy in my display case, right next to the preserved human fetuses.

:eek: :rotfl: :rotfl:


And Clark's nonchalant reaction to seeing her leg all humorously (or rather femurously) twisted like that is equally priceless. I did in fact watch this scene again immediately after watching Labyrinth, but it had nothing to do with the contents of this episode.

Again,
:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Kris-El]

Clark just dosent like Chloe that way.

[DorkMatter]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
The only person Clark has told that he doesn't love Lana is Lana,

If that's a lie, then Lana is the only person Clark keeps lying to, aside from himself. How romantic. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by Fly by guy
and that was a lie he told thinking he needs to protect her from his enemies.

He's really protecting Lana from herself. Clark just doesn't respect her the way he respects Chloe, even though Chloe herself has tried to convince him to tell Lana his secret if he really loves her (it would only be fair). Perhaps ultimately, Clark is protecting himself from Lana, who makes him weak, hence the analogy with kryptonite. True love, in stark contrast, can give people the strength to perform superhuman deeds. Whatever "feelings" Clark has for Lana are therefore not love, regardless of what he calls them.


Originally posted by Fly by guy
But even if you love someone it doesn't mean you are together. Especially in Smallville.

Yes, for example, Clark and Chloe are not yet "together," even though no two characters on the show are closer.


Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
this show got new superman fans....welll mostly new fans for clana and why not let them have a good ending??

For what it's worth, if I were in charge of the story, I would have given Clana a good, albeit bittersweet, ending. I would have allowed both characters to come to a heartbreaking but amicable understanding of why they were not meant for each other. They would never have to stop caring for one another if it were up to me. It was Al/Miles who chose to make them both so pathetic and wrong for each other, dragging out their relationship--which consists almost entirely of breaking up--and having them rake each other's emotions across the coals as though they hated each other. This is what Chlarkers are so sick of and why we want Clana dead and gone at this point, but if I may be so bold as to briefly speak for what I believe to be the majority of Chlarkers, we would not have wanted Clana to end up the way it did from the outset.

That said, Clana does need to go away now as quickly as possible, preferably in flames. That's the Clana that Al/Miles have created--exactly the kind of relationship that I despise the most: characters hurting each other repeatedly because of their so-called "love." Just DIE already! :)


Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
without them i'm not sure that this show would even have a 6th season.

The show has gone on for far longer than it should have already, so this would only give me one more reason to hate Al/Miles' disgusting treatment of the childhood/teenage relationship between Clark Kent and Lana Lang. That the same two-headed monster also created something as sublime as Chlark is bewildering.


Originally posted by Kris-El
Clark just dosent like Chloe that way.

If you mean the way he likes Lana, then frankly, I don't think that anyone deserves to be liked that way.

[lana&Clark4ever]

clark still loves lana?? wow....they're inseperable! haha

[boogiebear]

Yes Clark still loves Lana, but not enough to give up everything for her. He said no to her mentally, and killed someone to get back to reality, when he could have "been safe with Lana". That said it all for me, about where Clark is.

He still loves her. I still love a couple of people from my earlier life. I am not head over heals in love with them as I once was. You never stop loving someone who you truly loved to begin with. I know quite a few victims of spousal abuse(I volunteer). They love their husbands who beat the crap out of them. I had one woman cry on my shoulder about how much she still loved him, but she had learned to love herself too. Love is wonderful but you need support, love, commitment, trust, compatibility, and you have to let someone be who they really are, not who you want them to be. You cannot force people to do things against who they are, or what they are ready for. Unlike some of the posters on here, I think people open up in layers of intimacy, and it takes time. Opening up like that is based on trust and understanding. You never demand someone tells you something(unless life or death, or severe injury is involved. like did you molest my kids, kinda question; not what have you been hiding forever(answer would probably be I was molested as a child so I have trust issues), question) Most people I know do not tell everything about them on the first date. I kinda leave out some of the more horrible things that has happened in my life(being robbed at gunpoint), as well as the stupid things I have done(trailing a toilet paper cover on the back of my pants for part of my first day at college). I will get to them if the relationship keeps going, but that takes time. Clark would have told Lana when he was ready. He was never ready, and seeing her recent behavior, I think he made the right decision. Being damaged herself, she knew Clark was a good person, and she should have trusted him, not nagged him.

[Khyla]

Hey there, DorkMatter! First let me say I love your wit! :) Secondly, I love how you''ve driven these points, and hopefully have helped to open some eyes here. :)


Originally posted by DorkMatter
Lana is a weird, unhealthy childhood obsession that he has, thus far, only been able to momentarily overcome with great effort.
...
Lana has related issues, although she does have some idea of what true love is. For some reason (maybe because she considers him hot?), she desperately wants Clark to truly love her, but what she wants from him he gives to Chloe without even realizing what all of this really means. It's the same thing Lana has convinced herself that Lex gives to her.

... I'm more than ready for Clark to finally open his eyes and look deeper in order to fully recognize what he has with Chloe, and realize how fortunate and blessed he is, especially under the circumstances. That's your wife, Clark--that's who Chloe should be. Wake up! BRAVO!

[Dangerous George]

goodness, keep dreamin' - keep hope alive

[Theshadow129x]

I think Clark loves Lana thats the thing but i think he just doesnt trust her. I mean we've seen plenty of times through out the duration of the show where Clark was willing to give up who he is just to be with her but also knowing that the powers make him who he is and are apart of his being she should know this and accept that but there were too many times in the shows history where she proved she couldnt be trusted and there for making him see that without trust theres no point in pursuing a future with this person.

Its different with Chloe. Go back to season two episode 18 visitor. Clark asked Lana how she would feel about someone if she found out she was an alien and said she would be freaked out where as with chloe she said she would be happy to know someone like that.

Clark loves lana thats no question he loves her through all her faults though he needs to realize shes no angel shes made more mistakes than chloe but i think he sees that he cant trust her and without trust there isnt a relationship

[RedPhoenix23]

I don't think it's about Clark not being able to trust Lana since Lana did literally die protecting his secret in Reckoning. Plus, Lana accepted a super-powered Lex fairly quickly in Vessel as well and I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Lana also tells Clark at the end of the season three eps that IF he was infected with meteors she'd be okay with it.

The thing is, Clark doesn't love Lana as a person, he loves the IDEA of Lana and what that represents to him. Lana is the ideal, patient, and perfect HUMAN woman. Mostly, she represents normalicy and if there is anything Clark wants more it's to be "normal". Clark doesn't want Lana to accept him because he can't accept himself. If Lana knows the truth, then the fantasy is over. Does that make sense? Just look at Labyrinth as proof. That's what Clark wants. He want's the Pink Princess. Too bad soo sad, because that's just not who she is. Basically, Clark is too emotionaly retarted to date anyone at this stage of his life.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
The thing is, Clark doesn't love Lana as a person, he loves the IDEA of Lana and what that represents to him.
I LOVE YOU!!!
I have been waiting so long to hear someone say that... Long ago I posted something very similar, and except Khyla, no one ever really jumped on it. It is 100% true that Lana represents a form of 'idealized love' to Clark. Not a real love interest like in a true relationship. Call it a teenager infatuation grown way out of proportion if you will...
I really hope Clark will realize that soon and we can get over the Clana...
Again: excellent point.
:)

[RedPhoenix23]

Aww. I love you too!

Well if there was ever an episode that point demonstrated that fully, it was Labyrinth. I'd even go as far to say Clark is a wee bit sexist. Not completely, but he expects his woman to be a Stepford wife and do nothing but live and breath for him. Even to the point that she wears perfect pink little doll clothes and moves into his barn and worships his stalker tool of choice - the telescope. Even thinking the stalker tool was just Clark's sweet way of keeping them connected. *shivers* Damn, Clark! YOU got issues boy!

[JaxN]

well i always hated clana but then this episode made me think it was back to thos season 1,2 days. Where lana and Clark were perfect. It showed some really good chemistry.

lol i know how many people will vomit after reading my message.

[nemrod]

lana represents the childhood and the puberty for clark, the idea as i said a long time ago..... but she is for him de-sexualised the dream princesse through frustration she represents impotence the act that can not be accomplished this is represented by the pretence used by clark which is that he can not make love to her because of his frustrations with regards to his 'power' an adolecent male will also fantasm with regards to his own libido his own power, he turns this into a reverse fantasm in which he eventually transforms his desire into reality only to find his object of desire shattered, lois represents something else she is the the possibility to be adult and animal remember on one of there first meetings he was naked and later she returned the favour thus subconciously reponding to his parade.... you will notice that their seduction is often blamed on lapsus or loss of morality or other outside facters, as he is not ready to assume the desir on him the need to express his animality, this may be something to do with the control his mother still exerces over him over his libido, but also the unresolved proto-desir realisation confusion that exist around the subject of LANA...

[RedPhoenix23]

Somebody is a psycholgy major! :p

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Well if there was ever an episode that point demonstrated that fully, it was Labyrinth. I'd even go as far to say Clark is a wee bit sexist. Not completely, but he expects his woman to be a Stepford wife and do nothing but live and breath for him. Even to the point that she wears perfect pink little doll clothes and moves into his barn and worships his stalker tool of choice - the telescope. Even thinking the stalker tool was just Clark's sweet way of keeping them connected. *shivers* Damn, Clark! YOU got issues boy!
You go girl!!!
Wonderful... And I was worried I was the only one seriously displeased with Clark's attitude. Towards his friends, but especially the girls. I mean, sometimes one seriously wonders who this guy thinks he is... I am still hoping that one day Chloe will give him one huge kick in the butt. Literally or figuratively, I don't really care...
:lol:
But she seems the only one who can pull this off. And he deserves it so badly by now...
That boy still has a LOT to learn, IMO...

[nemrod]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Somebody is a psycholgy major! :p how do you know that is it something i might have said...;)

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Heck I still love my first girlfriend, though the person I am today probably wouldn't have lasted 2 days with her !!

I also still love my fist pet dog *sniff*....

[suzieQ]

Originally posted by nemrod
lana represents the childhood and the puberty for clark, the idea as i said a long time ago..... but she is for him de-sexualised the dream princesse through frustration she represents impotence the act that can not be accomplished this is represented by the pretence used by clark which is that he can not make love to her because of his frustrations with regards to his 'power' an adolecent male will also fantasm with regards to his own libido his own power, he turns this into a reverse fantasm in which he eventually transforms his desire into reality only to find his object of desire shattered, lois represents something else she is the the possibility to be adult and animal remember on one of there first meetings he was naked and later she returned the favour thus subconciously reponding to his parade.... you will notice that their seduction is often blamed on lapsus or loss of morality or other outside facters, as he is not ready to assume the desir on him the need to express his animality, this may be something to do with the control his mother still exerces over him over his libido, but also the unresolved proto-desir realisation confusion that exist around the subject of LANA...

And I guess you would have us believe that all women and their motivations are guided by Freud's theory of "penis envy!"

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by suzieQ
And I guess you would have us believe that all women and their motivations are guided by Freud's theory of "penis envy!" :eek:

(btw, it's not that great...)

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
You go girl!!!
Wonderful... And I was worried I was the only one seriously displeased with Clark's attitude. Towards his friends, but especially the girls. I mean, sometimes one seriously wonders who this guy thinks he is... I am still hoping that one day Chloe will give him one huge kick in the butt. Literally or figuratively, I don't really care...
:lol:
But she seems the only one who can pull this off. And he deserves it so badly by now...
That boy still has a LOT to learn, IMO...

Well I, for one, would love to see her give him a swift kick in the kaboose.. he has been asking for it since Season 2, IMO!!

[nemrod]

Originally posted by suzieQ
And I guess you would have us believe that all women and their motivations are guided by Freud's theory of "penis envy!"
triangles in real life are never so easy remember this is a much simplified coming of age story as told by some middle aged men in offices sellin 'cars and soup', for whom their superman complex has long since been rectified into some sort of post lacanian 'object little A' substitution through and into the aspirations of others and the mythos-based superpowers that we never had added to a childhood need for a good or bad world...
penis envy would be too simple:\

[Lasso69]

Originally posted by nemrod
lana represents the childhood and the puberty for clark, the idea as i said a long time ago..... but she is for him de-sexualised the dream princesse through frustration she represents impotence the act that can not be accomplished this is represented by the pretence used by clark which is that he can not make love to her because of his frustrations with regards to his 'power' an adolecent male will also fantasm with regards to his own libido his own power, he turns this into a reverse fantasm in which he eventually transforms his desire into reality only to find his object of desire shattered, lois represents something else she is the the possibility to be adult and animal remember on one of there first meetings he was naked and later she returned the favour thus subconciously reponding to his parade.... you will notice that their seduction is often blamed on lapsus or loss of morality or other outside facters, as he is not ready to assume the desir on him the need to express his animality, this may be something to do with the control his mother still exerces over him over his libido, but also the unresolved proto-desir realisation confusion that exist around the subject of LANA...

:confused: *falls over from stress on brain*

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
I don't think it's about Clark not being able to trust Lana since Lana did literally die protecting his secret in Reckoning. Plus, Lana accepted a super-powered Lex fairly quickly in Vessel as well and I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Lana also tells Clark at the end of the season three eps that IF he was infected with meteors she'd be okay with it.

The thing is, Clark doesn't love Lana as a person, he loves the IDEA of Lana and what that represents to him. Lana is the ideal, patient, and perfect HUMAN woman. Mostly, she represents normalicy and if there is anything Clark wants more it's to be "normal". Clark doesn't want Lana to accept him because he can't accept himself. If Lana knows the truth, then the fantasy is over. Does that make sense? Just look at Labyrinth as proof. That's what Clark wants. He want's the Pink Princess. Too bad soo sad, because that's just not who she is. Basically, Clark is too emotionaly retarted to date anyone at this stage of his life.

Boy that was well said, you get an "A" and go to the head of the class :lol: :lol: :lol:


Bless your heart.

peace


Originally posted by Rhoda123
Well I, for one, would love to see her give him a swift kick in the kaboose.. he has been asking for it since Season 2, IMO!!

true story

[DorkMatter]

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
I think Clark loves Lana thats the thing but i think he just doesnt trust her.

I certainly think that Clark is strongly attracted to Lana, but they'd have to know each other a lot better in order to love each other beyond that level, and obviously, if he can't trust her then Clana really wasn't ever meant to be. It's not as though they've learned nothing about each other, either, but that just about everything they've learned beyond the basis of their mutual attraction, they've disliked.

As for trust issues, there have been at least two types at play between Clark and Lana. The first is whether Lana would accept who (or rather what) Clark is, which got retconned pretty badly in Reckoning. This was a real, fundamental relationship barrier that Al/Miles apparently decided to replace with the second type of trust issue: Lana's ability (or lack thereof) to stay safe while knowing the secret. Perhaps they thought that it would be even more heartbreaking if the reasons for Clana's ultimate demise were primarily external to the relationship, but whatever their real reason, the end result is that both Clark and Lana come off as stupid, incompetent, and to most of the audience as well as each other, less likable. They made a bad choice.


Originally posted by Theshadow129x
I mean we've seen plenty of times through out the duration of the show where Clark was willing to give up who he is just to be with her

Considering how much he's always wanted to have a "normal" life (not just because of Lana), would that be much of a sacrifice on his part?


Originally posted by Theshadow129x
Clark loves lana thats no question he loves her through all her faults though he needs to realize shes no angel shes made more mistakes than chloe but i think he sees that he cant trust her and without trust there isnt a relationship

Clark loves certain things about Lana, but I think the clear message the show has been portraying is that he's in love with the "perfect" (Stepford) image of her that he carries around inside himself. His first love--something most people never forget--turns out to be a dream girl who doesn't exist, and he can't seem to let go of her. The real Lana has been a big and rather negative shock to Clark over the past couple of years, but he keeps returning to that "perfect" image. In other words, he does not love the real Lana, and he's still having trouble accepting reality or differentiating it from fantasy. On the other hand, he has also showed signs (often in the same episode) of "waking up" from his "dream"--even figuratively telling Lana so in Labyrinth. No, we're not the ones who are confused here--either Clark or the show or both are.


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
I don't think it's about Clark not being able to trust Lana since Lana did literally die protecting his secret in Reckoning.

Yes, the question was whether Lana could protect herself, not necessarily Clark so much. Chloe--the reporter--was actually the one with the loyalty-trust issue, but unlike Lana, she has managed to earn Clark's trust completely.


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Plus, Lana accepted a super-powered Lex fairly quickly in Vessel as well and I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Lana also tells Clark at the end of the season three eps that IF he was infected with meteors she'd be okay with it.

Unfortunately, the way it was handled was a retcon, which later only reinforced the idea that Lana would shack up with any guy who gave her what she wanted, instead of reflecting positively on her character and her potential relationship with Clark. There was no real build-up or long-term development of this like there was between Chloe and Clark, whose relationship Al/Miles well and truly earned through their storytelling.


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
The thing is, Clark doesn't love Lana as a person, he loves the IDEA of Lana and what that represents to him. Lana is the ideal, patient, and perfect HUMAN woman. Mostly, she represents normalicy and if there is anything Clark wants more it's to be "normal". Clark doesn't want Lana to accept him because he can't accept himself. If Lana knows the truth, then the fantasy is over. Does that make sense?

Yes, what you said makes sense. Clark is basically afraid to take the next step in his life, because he knows that there would be no turning back. It means that he can't ever have what he wants--normalcy--which he has embodied in Lana and her ignorance of his secret. You're right, he does not love the real Lana, and he knows this himself, but still denies it. Sadly, Labyrinth was only a small positive step for Clark at best.

Geez, I know it can be scary to grow up, but few humans are as timid as this Kryptonian. I know that they grow'em big in Kansas, but do they also have to grow'em chicken? :rolleyes:


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Just look at Labyrinth as proof. That's what Clark wants. He want's the Pink Princess. Too bad soo sad, because that's just not who she is. Basically, Clark is too emotionaly retarted to date anyone at this stage of his life.

This is true despite everything he has in his favor: good parents while growing up, the occasional mentor, and a loving, emotionally supportive relationship with a loyal, devoted friend in Chloe. Clark is supposed to be the future Superman, but so far he is proving to be less than an ordinary man, unable to save himself from himself even with help from extraordinary humans. I feel sad for this show and its fans--so much of its considerable potential has been squandered. Even Clana had far greater potential than this early on, and look at what happened. Pretty much all that's left for me is Chlois and Chlark, which Al/Miles have yet to totally screw up. I still hope there's a reason for this.


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
I'd even go as far to say Clark is a wee bit sexist. Not completely, but he expects his woman to be a Stepford wife and do nothing but live and breath for him.

I expressed the same thought myself earlier, so I know exactly what you mean, but to give Clark the benefit of the doubt, maybe the show simply went a little overboard showing an idyllic life. And while Stepford Lana was obviously extremely obsequious, she wasn't exactly subservient or submissive.


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Even to the point that she wears perfect pink little doll clothes

Pink is soothing to our easily frightened little intergalactic traveler...who probably still crapped his pants whenever he saw the Energizer Bunny as a kid, though. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
and moves into his barn and worships his stalker tool of choice - the telescope. Even thinking the stalker tool was just Clark's sweet way of keeping them connected. *shivers* Damn, Clark! YOU got issues boy!

OK, you're right, I guess Clark is a sexist pig! :mad: But if so, then how would we explain all of the admiring stares he gives Chloe whenever she accomplishes something? Is that great for a female "friend" but less than ideal for a mate? A "friend" with whom he is emotionally intimate to the point of telling her all of own secrets, and holding her close practically every episode like he'd die without her, at times with tears in his eyes because of her pain? Hell yeah, he's got issues! It's as though he keeps coming within one twist of solving a Rubik's Cube, and is then unable to perceive the solution! He just keeps on twisting until it's all scrambled again--lather, rinse, and repeat!

Al/Miles have to be doing this on purpose to tease us--it's just too weird to be some kind of accident or coincidence after all of these years. I shake my fist and curse at you, Al/Miles! I fart in your general direction! (apologies to Monty Python ;) ) You'd better enjoy your little game now, because you've written yourselves into a corner, and ultimately you'll have to give us what we want.

[Dangerous George]

boy, talk about gluttons for punishment

listen to yourselves talk - very good points by the way, but man, you've got it all figured out and yet you still watch?

talk about issues? lol

goodness

[Kris-El]

Originally posted by DorkMatter
If you mean the way he likes Lana, then frankly, I don't think that anyone deserves to be liked that way.

You know what I mean. Yes yes yes, all of the elements are there for a perfect relationship between Clark and Chloe. Something deep and meaningful. And yet, he just dosent want her in a romantic way. Such is life.

[DorkMatter]

Originally posted by nemrod
lana represents the childhood and the puberty for clark, the idea as i said a long time ago..... but she is for him de-sexualised the dream princesse through frustration she represents impotence the act that can not be accomplished this is represented by the pretence used by clark which is that he can not make love to her because of his frustrations with regards to his 'power' an adolecent male will also fantasm with regards to his own libido his own power, he turns this into a reverse fantasm in which he eventually transforms his desire into reality only to find his object of desire shattered,

I think that you've accurately described the underlying symbolism of Clana, which is inherently valid, but the main frustration for the fans is that the story has never been able to develop this idea properly while also not being able to move past it. With regard to the subject of this thread, there is also the issue of whether Clark truly "loves" Lana as he claims to, which if false as most of us believe it to be (depending on how one defines "love"), would imply that Clark is aware of the difference between fantasy and reality, and is deliberately using Lana to avoid reality and his destiny, which is often represented in such instances by Chloe. This is not a characteristic that Clark should have at such a late stage of the story, or at the very least, he should have an innate desire to move past his very serious psychological issues.


Originally posted by nemrod
lois represents something else she is the the possibility to be adult and animal remember on one of there first meetings he was naked and later she returned the favour thus subconciously reponding to his parade....

Well, she didn't know it was Clark at the door and he wasn't too impressed, and besides, Clark would have the same issue with any human woman, as long as he has his powers. When he became mortal during Season 5, he had no difficulty in being "adult and animal" with Lana, but now he does once more, because of his powers. There is nothing special about EDLois that would allow him to get past this issue.

I understand what you're saying in the context of EDLois always being portrayed as a sex object, thereby symbolizing the solution to Clark's issues, but this is refuted by canon as I described above. It could alternatively be argued, more in line with canon, that because Clark has developed such a close bond with Chloe as the person he truly is, she is therefore the one who will ultimately be able to release his inner demons, due to the intimacy and absolute trust that they already share. Yes, this would involve them eventually having sexual intercourse while he has his full powers, which is something that I think he would never be able to accomplish with Lana, whom he can't even trust to stay alive while knowing his secret.

However, as is the case with resolving psychological problems in the real world, the afflicted person must first sincerely want to solve the problem, or else they will fail or never start. Clark needs to do this soon, and the fans have been growing impatient for quite some time.


Originally posted by nemrod
you will notice that their seduction is often blamed on lapsus or loss of morality or other outside facters, as he is not ready to assume the desir on him the need to express his animality,

Actually, this applies more to Clark's relationship with Chloe, assuming that this aspect of your theory really applies to the show.


Originally posted by nemrod
this may be something to do with the control his mother still exerces over him over his libido, but also the unresolved proto-desir realisation confusion that exist around the subject of LANA...

Er, I don't think that this particular show is quite so Freudian, at least with regard to mothers. :) On the other hand, there is obviously dream symbolism (another aspect of Freudianism, of course) involved in Labyrinth and similar episodes such as Lexmas, in which Chloe usually plays a major role and EDLois is conspicuously absent.

Basically, Clark can't move on with his life (not just Lana, though symbolized by her), and most here wish that he would because it's unhealthy for him and vomit-inducing for us. :)


Originally posted by Kris-El

Originally posted by DorkMatter
If you mean the way he likes Lana, then frankly, I don't think that anyone deserves to be liked that way.
You know what I mean.

Yeah I do, but there are some (not necessarily I) who believe that the despicable way in which Clark often treated Lana is how Al/Miles view TV romance in general, so in the context of this show and more specifically this thread, I couldn't resist the opportunity to take another shot at the BDA. :)

Responding to your comment in earnest, I don't think it's quite that simple, especially in the current season, where there have been subtle (not to some) hints that Clark may be developing an interest in Chloe in "that way," starting from his own reaction to the kiss she laid on him in Vessel. Obviously, this is an entire topic unto itself, so I'll leave it there.


Originally posted by Kris-El
Yes yes yes, all of the elements are there for a perfect relationship between Clark and Chloe. Something deep and meaningful. And yet, he just dosent want her in a romantic way. Such is life.

That's always possible, certainly in real life, but for a fictional story, it would be an awful lot of extremely familiar-looking setup for no payoff in the end. Just saying....

[dunlopc]

I wish they would stop shoving Clark Kent in love with Lana Lang down our throats. Its been six years of this already they are far better characters when they are not whining about each other. Its the one storyline that holds the series back if it keeps on I can never see him becoming the majestic, confidant, graceful Superhero I have loved since 1978.

[Kris-El]

Clark should just give Chloe a try already and see where it goes...its about time

[The Durance Furnace]

Originally posted by dunlopc
I wish they would stop shoving Clark Kent in love with Lana Lang down our throats. Its been six years of this already they are far better characters when they are not whining about each other. Its the one storyline that holds the series back if it keeps on I can never see him becoming the majestic, confidant, graceful Superhero I have loved since 1978.


I agree completely!

[SteveS]

Clark can luv her in the sense of a bittersweet failed romance but Lana is too tempermentally challenged and has too many bad decisions to be 'in love' with her now. She should be memories of the past.

And nowhere as good as was Alicia.

[CLANA4evr]

Of course Clark still loves her, he always will. Finally the show is heading in the right direction again. Clana will always be the heart of the show. SV has been on life support for quite some time. It's about time :)

[Dangerous George]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DeesRyche]

Originally posted by CLANA4evr
Of course Clark still loves her, he always will.

Ummmm, no he won't. The love of his life is Lois. His High school sweet heart is Lana.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by DeesRyche
Ummmm, no he won't. The love of his life is Lois. His High school sweet heart is Lana.

Heck I still love my highschool sweetheart.
My wife is THE love of my life, but that doesn't change how I feel about HOW I FELT about my first love.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Heck I still love my highschool sweetheart.
My wife is THE love of my life, but that doesn't change how I feel about HOW I FELT about my first love.


Well alrighty then, :p

[DeesRyche]

Yeah maybe some people think they still love (and I think what ppl. mean here is that you still care about...would not wish anything bad...love as in like a friend) but romantically maybe some ppl. can think they still love their HS sweetheart well those are issues seperate from the fact that
THE SUPERMAN we know and love the only LOVE OF HIS LIFE is Lois Lane.

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by DeesRyche
Yeah maybe some people think they still love (and I think what ppl. mean here is that you still care about...would not wish anything bad...love as in like a friend) but romantically maybe some ppl. can think they still love their HS sweetheart well those are issues seperate from the fact that
THE SUPERMAN we know and love the only LOVE OF HIS LIFE is Lois Lane. this isn't the superman we know and love. it's the SVClark we know and love.

[DeesRyche]

That's what divides the fans....some ppl are perfectly content with a stagnant story line of a teen angst love story and others stay for the ships (I could careless if he was involved or not...I know SM ends up with Lois). I want to see him start embracing his destiny as a journalist and as SM.

Yeah I would vote Clois any day over Clana but seriously I would take the story moving forward in some way some fashion.

Clana on again off again is stagnant. At first, it was kind of cute now it's just stagnant. And many folks that I know personally who watch SV want to see Clark moving toward his destiny as well.

And we watch week after week hoping for just that....

[meteor]

Originally posted by DeesRyche
That's what divides the fans....some ppl are perfectly content with a stagnant story line of a teen angst love story and others stay for the ships (I could careless if he was involved or not...I know SM ends up with Lois). I want to see him start embracing his destiny as a journalist and as SM.

Yeah I would vote Clois any day over Clana but seriously I would take the story moving forward in some way some fashion.

Clana on again off again is stagnant. At first, it was kind of cute now it's just stagnant. And many folks that I know personally who watch SV want to see Clark moving toward his destiny as well.

And we watch week after week hoping for just that....


i don't see what is wrong with having some guest star action to keep the soap faction happy, while concentrating next season on Superhero plots, development and action. they should forget about relationships between any of the oriiginal cast members. it's all recycled stuff that once Lexana is done with, imo is becoming detrimental to the show. 6 years of Chloe-Clark-Lana-Lex is more than enough.

[All about Clark]

I think his actions of wanting and denying himself Lana was very well portrayed. His real life was in sync with Hudson's imaginary one. This is the first step towards moving on.

[ox007]

If CK's feeling towards Lana stay for the rest of this season it's back to the old drawing board for the producers!:)

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by meteor
i don't see what is wrong with having some guest star action to keep the soap faction happy, while concentrating next season on Superhero plots, development and action. they should forget about relationships between any of the oriiginal cast members. it's all recycled stuff that once Lexana is done with, imo is becoming detrimental to the show. 6 years of Chloe-Clark-Lana-Lex is more than enough.

agreeeed

[khol145]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Ah, who cares? Wake me up when it's over. It's like regressing to season 2 all over again.

LOL:lol:

[Mr. Wrong]

I think the writers put this line in just to provoke the fans to trash Clana completely! They had good chemistry in the past but Clark erased that thoroughly. Lexana has none of the same chemistry which is why this soap opera is causing the upset stomachs out there. Instead of being an action packed representation of the life of superboy (much like the George Reeves portrayal of Superman), we are getting Days of our Lives. P.S. There is so much Kryptonite in Smallville its amazing that CK ever gets out of bed! Will someone please explain to me how all of this poison arrived on a planet from another galaxy? CK's ship was sent here with locked in coordinates while Krypton was irradicated by a supernova. Hopefully the writers will realize that they would be best off following the path that "Justice" seemed to be leading. More superhero and less superschlock.

[meteor_phreak]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
I think the writers put this line in just to provoke the fans to trash Clana completely! They had good chemistry in the past but Clark erased that thoroughly. Lexana has none of the same chemistry which is why this soap opera is causing the upset stomachs out there. Instead of being an action packed representation of the life of superboy (much like the George Reeves portrayal of Superman), we are getting Days of our Lives. i agree completely up until the p.s.

Clana itself wasn't my problem. Even though he should be with chloe instead, I was content with rooting for chloe as long as clana was a tolerable couple. I can't stand where it went, and think they should proceed to take clark and lana to the "wish the best for each other" category. I do think the show needs to move on, and the only thing worse than the season 5 and 6 Clana is ANY lexana...

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by Mr. Wrong
I think the writers put this line in just to provoke the fans to trash Clana completely! They had good chemistry in the past but Clark erased that thoroughly. Lexana has none of the same chemistry which is why this soap opera is causing the upset stomachs out there. Instead of being an action packed representation of the life of superboy (much like the George Reeves portrayal of Superman), we are getting Days of our Lives. P.S. There is so much Kryptonite in Smallville its amazing that CK ever gets out of bed! Will someone please explain to me how all of this poison arrived on a planet from another galaxy? CK's ship was sent here with locked in coordinates while Krypton was irradicated by a supernova. Hopefully the writers will realize that they would be best off following the path that "Justice" seemed to be leading. More superhero and less superschlock.

your assignment request is frankly beyond the pale of the apparent mental acuity of TPTB. No greater proof is needed than to review the gutting of the legacy of the mythos which gutting can only be described as an alternate world view of the mythos because it certainly does not reflect the legacy nor mythos beyond the named characters. Beyond that it is anyone's guess as it who, what, where, when, and why. How is left up to TPTB which is unfortunate.


peace

[SmallvilleMan]

They should have ended it with reckoning........But they choose to go with a different path and now they're ruining everyone's character.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
They should have ended it with reckoning........But they choose to go with a different path and now they're ruining everyone's character.

edit* ruined for ruining :p

[SmallvilleMan]

Yep

[genvillewars92]

just move on clark

[Chlark828]

did anyone else think that after seeing chloe get shot right in front of him, he would open his eyes to how much he loves her? or how much he should love her?

makes me so mad. you know, i don't even remember him even giving her a HUG when he realized that she was actually alive and not crazy. could anyone else tell me if that happened?

[Joelito]

Originally posted by Chlark828
did anyone else think that after seeing chloe get shot right in front of him, he would open his eyes to how much he loves her? or how much he should love her?

makes me so mad. you know, i don't even remember him even giving her a HUG when he realized that she was actually alive and not crazy. could anyone else tell me if that happened?
Maybe in the "Dream", also some in Vessel and Zod..but not when the world is about to end.. :rolleyes:
Sorry...Clark doesn't love Chloe in romantic way...:o

[Peat Moss]

He did hug her, though. I agree that it is not romantic, just very good friends.

[thorshammer]

Nice episode, but too sappy.

[svfan50]

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Originally posted by Chlark828
did anyone else think that after seeing chloe get shot right in front of him, he would open his eyes to how much he loves her? or how much he should love her?

makes me so mad. you know, i don't even remember him even giving her a HUG when he realized that she was actually alive and not crazy. could anyone else tell me if that happened?
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Originally posted by Joelito
Maybe in the "Dream", also some in Vessel and Zod..but not when the world is about to end.. :rolleyes:
Sorry...Clark doesn't love Chloe in romantic way...:o


Duhhhh!!!!! Not in a romantic wayy????????? Did you see Red, Rush, Vessel, Zod..and numerous episodes in the middle????????

Of Course he loves her...more than he can imagine....but he wouldn't accept it...!! and TPTD are not letting him accept it..and moreover..they are trying to make Chloe think that she has gotten past him..by being with Jimmy...!!

And Clark238/...yeeah..he hugs her back..and they share a very cute moment....together..a fireside chat....!! and *gulp* he tells her that she means more to him than she knows.
well..aside frm the fact that I really wanted to kick him on hi A$$ at tht moment...I really liked the convo....I mean..a kiss or something would have ben great...but think of what he says...that she means more than she knows..and she does know that Clark considers her a very great friend..and cannot live without her....what she doesn't know is that he truly loves her..!!!!

And yeah..a part of me wants Clark and Chloe to happen in some realistic way and not just because he was so afraid that he lost her...not because of panic or any other reasons.!!!1

eheheheee...my 0.02 cents..

[Joelito]

Hi svfan50:

When have you seen Clark given flowers o candies to Chloe just for no reason?

TPTB are showing us the stories as they know it... but he wouldn't accept it is mostly fan fic than actually how the story is developed...and how is it? Chloe as best friend and sometimes as sidekick.

[svfan50]

Originally posted by Joelito
Hi svfan50:

When have you seen Clark given flowers o candies to Chloe just for no reason?

TPTB are showing us the stories as they know it... but he wouldn't accept it is mostly fan fic than actually how the story is developed...and how is it? Chloe as best friend and sometimes as sidekick.



Hellloooo...did you see Tempest??????? Yes..he does consider Chloe as his best friend and side-kick....but tell me...you dont know of people who realize much later in their lives that the person who they have always wanted was right infront of them..they just din't realize or were too afraid to realize....!!!


And i really dont think that bringing flowers and candies to a girl means that the guy loves you....for Clark and Chloe....they save each other's lives on daily bases..........!! I would expect something more mature from them..and you also...grow up!!! flowers and Candies as the only ideas of romance is soo high-schoolish...!!! Be a little more mature..!!! thats what real love is al about!!!!

[Joelito]

Hellloooo...did you see Tempest??????? Yes..he does consider Chloe as his best friend and side-kick....but tell me...you dont know of people who realize much later in their lives that the person who they have always wanted was right infront of them..they just din't realize or were too afraid to realize....!!!

In Smallville and how the shows is going and played, plus the few seasons left, and how the characters are old...I wouldn't wait that long ;)


And i really dont think that bringing flowers and candies to a girl means that the guy loves you....for Clark and Chloe....they save each other's lives on daily bases..........!! I would expect something more mature from them...

Such as...remember one has a couple and the other loves another one.


and you also...grow up!!! flowers and Candies as the only ideas of romance is soo high-schoolish...!!! Be a little more mature..!!! thats what real love is al about!!!!

Sorry for been romantic :lol:, don't girls love flowers as symbol as romance (where available) :rotfl:

[darkone]

What is Tempest/Rush/Vessel compared to Clana bombshells like the Pilot,Crush,Calling,Exodus,Mortal,Hidden,Reckoning ,Promise?Just to name a few.Romantic Chlark is ridiculous it would Chloe only look like second best and I dont think you want that for her.

[Joelito]

Originally posted by darkone
What is Tempest/Rush/Vessel compared to Clana bombshells like the Pilot,Crush,Calling,Exodus,Mortal,Hidden,Reckoning ,Promise?Just to name a few.Romantic Chlark is ridiculous it would Chloe only look like second best and I dont think you want that for her.
Totally agree, I like Chloe and I don't my fav. blonde reporter been the "2nd option" or "backup".

[malft]

I've watched Smallville for six straight years now and I still don't see what all you whiners and complainers don't like. Even episodes I didn't like the first time have something I like the second time. If its painful or too awful to look at feel free to watch Ugly Betty. I'm sure you all would rather be spoonfed than have to engage your pleasure centers for relaxation. Don't like Lana, so what? You already know Clark isn't going to end up with her, so, relax and allow yourself to be entertained. Remember, none of the characters on the show know what you know, so don't be too quick to write off something Clark does as "Not what Superman would do!!!!" Never Heard of Him.

[Lasso69]

Originally posted by malft
I've watched Smallville for six straight years now and I still don't see what all you whiners and complainers don't like. Even episodes I didn't like the first time have something I like the second time. If its painful or too awful to look at feel free to watch Ugly Betty. I'm sure you all would rather be spoonfed than have to engage your pleasure centers for relaxation. Don't like Lana, so what? You already know Clark isn't going to end up with her, so, relax and allow yourself to be entertained. Remember, none of the characters on the show know what you know, so don't be too quick to write off something Clark does as "Not what Superman would do!!!!" Never Heard of Him.


speaken like a true fan..... :lol:

I totally agree but there is some difference in the comics wasnt lana supposed to marry pete? (but pete went elscramo!!:eek: :confused: !!)

[smallvillian141]

I LOVE CLANA!! yay!

[lois_lane-kent]

I don't see how having a dream where someone wants to lobotomize you (so the two of you can be happy) proves that you still love that person (or that that person is even right for you).

But then again, I'm not a moron.

Love the rest of the ep, though. :)

[Raistlin]

Clark is an idiot. It's time to stop watching this show. It's not worth it.

I wish I could include musical notes ... the man's in love...

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Yep, I threw up a little when I heard that. I stopped watching the show during season two because of Clana... I started waching again at the end of season 5 and had hoped Clana was completely over. If this phase doesn't end soon, I won't be watching anymore... again.

I felt like this about Buffy & Spike. The minute they started having angry sex, I was gone and I DIDN'T go back.

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What some people don't get is that part of who Clark is, is loving Lana. She's not keeping him from his destiny. He needs to tell her about himself and I know with her good heart for humanity she would help him save the world. I don't understand why people say Lana is holding him back. The only thing holding him back is himself not being open with her.

True story.

[Simba_Muffy]

Dark haired Lana Lang wasn't Lana Lang, period. SV Clana was a waste of film and brain cells. Chloe really was Lana Lang.

[LoveHurts38]

Dark haired Lana Lang wasn't Lana Lang, period. SV Clana was a waste of film and brain cells. Chloe really was Lana Lang.

:rotfl::lol: she is a Small after all :p