Lowest thing Lana did this episode.

[boogiebear]

Lana's character has been slipping and slipping so lets all vote about the most disgusting thing she did this episode . If I leave something out, please add it in a post.

[TheSupaMan]

I think the worst was probably questioning Chloe about Clark. Although, all of them are accountable for being low.

[chlarkfan333]

I would have selected all, if that were an option.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

I think the lowest thing she did, was use Lex at the end. She has no faith in her own ability to raise this baby. she settled. and that's bad for both of them

[umm]

She said yes to Lex, knowing she still had feelings for Clark, was the lowest!
Don't get me wrong, I don't want Lana with Clark ever again, but accepting Lex' proposal fully knowing that she still has remaining feelings for another man, is just wrong!

[myankskent]

I'll go with saying yes to Lex, but she also told Lex the truth about her feelings for Clark and she gets points there in my book. If Lex insists on being a pathetic moron in accepting her answer after that, it's his own damn fault if she ultimately walks away from him to either be with Clark or take Clark's side after she finds out his secret.

Also, when did Lana yell at Chloe? I don't believe Lana ever yelled at her, she might've spoken to her with a stern voice but yelling is a bit much.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'll go with saying yes to Lex, but she also told Lex the truth about her feelings for Clark and she gets points there in my book. If Lex insists on being a pathetic moron in accepting her answer after that, it's his own damn fault if she ultimately walks away from him to either be with Clark or take Clark's side after she finds out his secret.

Also, when did Lana yell at Chloe? I don't believe Lana ever yelled at her, she might've spoken to her with a stern voice but yelling is a bit much.

I totally agree with you here.
As for Lex I guess that just shows how evil he is becoming. He'd do just about anything at this point to beat Clark.

[mobiusklein]

You can say all you like that Lex is pathetic (which he is) but it doesn't make Lana any LESS pathetic herself. She's pretty manipulative, hypocritical and nasty by insisting on an honest and open relationship while chasing another man behind his back while shacking up with someone.

Look, just flip the genders. If a man hit on his superhero ex-girlfriend while eating at the house of his billionairess fiancee, you could call the billionairess pathetic as hell but it wouldn't make the man less of an ughhh.

[10-5-4-9]

What really gets me is that one second Lana's eyes are flashing when she realizes that Chloe knows Clark's secret, then she goes all tender on Clark and tries to coax it out of him, as well as trying to figure out if he still loves her. When that doesn't pan out, she agrees to marry Lex.

In my opinion that speaks of manipulation. I see her character going nowhere but down.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
You can say all you like that Lex is pathetic (which he is) but it doesn't make Lana any LESS pathetic herself.

I don't give a damn if Lana is pathetic. Is Lana supposed to be the greatest villain of all time? Bashing her character at this point is simply pointless when you have Lex Luthor on this show who is so unlike his iconic self.

[mobiusklein]

Well, the subject of the thread IS how low Lana is going. And yes it is horrible Lex is being written as accepting the poo shooting from her mouth and wanting her anyway. And he's not the only guy who had to put up with her see-saw behavior.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Well, the subject of the thread IS how low Lana is going. And yes it is horrible Lex is being written as accepting the poo shooting from her mouth and wanting her anyway.

And IMO, that makes him even more pathetic than Lana, unless he has a few surprises up his sleeves that we don't know about. Let's just put it this way, Lana will never understand what she is doing if Lex is going to be this pathetic and let her get away with everything. The problems with Lana all start with Lex. If you want to see an end to Lana's terrible character, then you better hope that Lex wises up and becomes the greatest villain of all time. Just look what happened with Chloe in season 5, she pushes Lex into the cave wall and totally gets away with it. All of these types of moments only weakens Lex's character and elevates other characters over him. Currently, Lana is one of those characters.

[10-5-4-9]

Originally posted by myankskent
And IMO, that makes him even more pathetic than Lana, unless he has a few surprises up his sleeves that we don't know about. Let's just put it this way, Lana will never understand what she is doing if Lex is going to be this pathetic and let her get away with everything. The problems with Lana all start with Lex. If you want to see an end to Lana's terrible character, then you better hope that Lex wises up and becomes the greatest villain of all time. Just look what happened with Chloe in season 5, she pushes Lex into the cave wall and totally gets away with it. All of these types of moments only weakens Lex's character and elevates other characters over him. Currently, Lana is one of those characters.

I'm forced to agree. Currently, Lex is just a pistol whipped billionaire. Granted, he has an evil lab, but that's just about it.

BUT, his "love" for Lana teems with manipulation. This will be a big question later, who's manipulating whom.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by 10-5-4-9
I'm forced to agree. Currently, Lex is just a pistol whipped billionaire. Granted, he has an evil lab, but that's just about it.

BUT, his "love" for Lana teems with manipulation. This will be a big question later, who's manipulating whom.

Yep I agree. Right now it seems as if Lex is just what you said. But I have faith that he is as evil as ever and that he has just been manipulating Lana all along. So to me Lex is still lower than Lana.

[ERIC524892]

It's too bad "Refused to wander into traffic" isn't an option, lol.

I'd say it was going after Clark's secret. Especially AFTER keeping her own secrets from a man who proposed to her. Then again, other than Clark, I don't see the point of having "secrets" (personal secrets, anyways). I make fun of my issues publically. When it's appropriate, anyways.

[10-5-4-9]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
Yep I agree. Right now it seems as if Lex is just what you said. But I have faith that he is as evil as ever and that he has just been manipulating Lana all along. So to me Lex is still lower than Lana.

Thanks, but it's not just about who's lower. It's about who's the better villain. Lana isn't quite a villain, but her behavior certainly loans itself to a comparison with Lex. Lex, as far as we know, is just a minnow in the ocean. Granted, he's a fat minnow, but a minnow nonetheless. He's got a long way to go, and if he just becomes a villain for Lana, he becomes an neurotically emotional bad guy, not a power-hungry mogul.

[last man of krypton]

Lowest thing: saying yes to Lex, knowing she was in love with Clark.
Lowest thing that was deleted from the episode: Lana physically taking Lex's pair & putting them in her handbag.
Around the middle of the episode I was thinking how truly villainous Lex is becoming. That was all thrown away in the last 2 minutes: I'll never look at Lex Luthor the same again. :mad:

[Mysticlies]

yeah...I re-watched the episode, and I don't recall her ever yelling at Chloe? she asked but never yelled.

[10-5-4-9]

Originally posted by Mysticlies
yeah...I re-watched the episode, and I don't recall her ever yelling at Chloe? she asked but never yelled.

You'e right about the yelling. But the look in her eyes would have been enough to scare me. And the way she wnt soft on Clark right after?

[Ania]

I used to think nothing could be worse than telling Lex she wants to marry him AFTER telling him she loves Clark. But going to Clark after hating him for so long and demanding to know his secret was Waaay worse. But I chose her wanting Chloe to spill the beans, because that's the moment when Lana actually outdone herself.

[10-5-4-9]

Yup. She finally outdid herself.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'll go with saying yes to Lex, but she also told Lex the truth about her feelings for Clark and she gets points there in my book. If Lex insists on being a pathetic moron in accepting her answer after that, it's his own fault if she ultimately walks away from him to either be with Clark or take Clark's side after she finds out his secret.


Ha ha. That's true. At least Lana came clean with Lex first, and he made the choice to still accept her acceptance of his proposal- his fault.


Originally posted by mobiusklein
he's not the only guy who had to put up with her see-saw behavior.

No one has to put up with anything from anyone. They choose to.

[deanfromuk]

Saying yes to Lex 90 seconds after looking so sad and miserable in front of the fire was so wrong.The engagement's a joke!Lex is going to go psycho evil when she dumps him at the alter.

Not telling Clark about the baby was just typical Lana BS!!!

But you can't blame her for being upset with Chloe or confronting her about knowing CK's secret.1)Lana didn't know there was a meteor freak around evesdropping just her and Chloe.
2)It must have been a shock to have Chloe lie to her face after what she heard ToriS say.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Originally posted by deanfromuk


But you can't blame her for being upset with Chloe or confronting her about knowing CK's secret.1)Lana didn't know there was a meteor freak around evesdropping just her and Chloe.
2)It must have been a shock to have Chloe lie to her face after what she heard ToriS say.

^ But that does not excuse the fact that she tried to get Chloe to tell her the secret and the fact that she did not trust her. First off, it's not Chloe's secret to tell. Chloe might have lied but Lana should not have tried to pry it out of her. That's just not right. And Lana should not have even questioned Chloe's loyalty towards her if she was really her friend.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
that does not excuse the fact that she tried to get Chloe to tell her the secret and the fact that she did not trust her. First off, it's not Chloe's secret to tell. Chloe might have lied but Lana should not have tried to pry it out of her. That's just not right. And Lana should not have even questioned Chloe's loyalty towards her if she was really her friend.

Why should Lana trust Chloe when she is lying to her face? That's the price Chloe should realize she has to pay for keeping Clark's secret. No it's not her secret to tell, but she has to accept the fact that she could lose other friends because she is keeping the secret.

[10-5-4-9]

Clark was able to put up with Chloe lying about the baby.

[cotton candy girl]

Because she made him know the burden on her. I think if Chloe wasn't keeping his secret already he probably wouldn't have been able to handle Chloe's keeping Lana's secret.

[10-5-4-9]

Granted. But if Lana wants her secrets kept, she needs to expect that she doesn't always get first dibs.

[cotton candy girl]

Not sure how to answer that because I'm not sure exactly what you mean.

[10-5-4-9]

I'm pretty well in Chloe's position. I've got a brother that is always in trouble. I've got parents that want to nail him.. I've got friends that bicker about each other to me. They know that i keep the secrets and they accept it because that I don't give away ANY secrets. That's the kind of understanding that Lana should have.

[cotton candy girl]

Fair enough if that's what you think. I don't fault Lana though for being mad that Chloe is keepng Clark's secret. At the same time I know it's not Chloe's secret to tell, and she should just be honest and tell Lana that, imo.

[superman_115]

Using Lex isn't low, why? because he is doing the same thing to her.

Both of them are going to be using each other to figure out what Clark is hiding from them.

[whiteflag]

I would have chosen all of them... and some more. :)

[redraven]

None of these things Lana has done really seem 'disgusting' to me. Lana went to Clark before telling him about her baby to see if he might really still love her...then I think she would've dropped the bomb on him.

And she never really did yell at Chloe...and as for the last one, well, as dependant as Lana is on men, it's no surprise she decided to settle for Lex so she'd have support for her and her baby.

[TheSupaMan]

Yeah, I mean what was the other alternative besides an abortion? She needs child support. Besides, it's not like she knows that her baby will be a demon. (Hey...Just going out on a limb)

[meteor]

getting angry at Chloe about keeping Clark's secret was lame. her issues are with Clark, not Chloe.

there's nothing low about the other stuff imo, and there was never any mention of "betrayal" to the best of my recollection.

[darkraya]

EVERYTHING LANA HAS DONE THIS SEASON IS LOW.the worst thing shes done is not seing that lex is manipulating her. and saying yes to him marriage proposal.

[Jetta]

Option 1: That was disgusting, she didn't tell Clark about the child, because she knew his knowing about it would hamper her chances of learning his secret.

Option 2: I don't think she specifically said Chloe betrayed her, but it was clearly implied. I completely understand her being upset about the conversation being public and would also understand if she plainly asked Chloe if she had anything to do with it, instead she immediately began with accusations (making me wonder why in hell Chloe is still wanting to be Lana's friend?) I also found this part disgusting because she blamed her response to Chloe on Clark. I know Clark has never fully trusted her, but I don't recall him betraying her in any way similar to how she "thought" Chloe had betrayed her.

Option 3: Thoroughly disgusting. Really hated the fact that she got incredibly angry at Chloe for supposedly revealing her secrets, but then fully expected her to betray Clark's. Was so glad when shut her down after this.

Option 4: Didn't bother me too much. She was honest with Lex about (albeit after he found out on his own) and "said" that she loves him too. If Lex wants a woman that would who would perform options 1 through 3, and loves another man then he can have her.

[kkjdt]

you needed the option all of the above which is what i would of chosen:p

by the way this whole Clark is keeping a secret from me I can't trust him line is so old!!!:\ I don't always tell everyone everything about my life.... and I know they don't tell me but that doesn't mean I don't trust them.... Chloe was willing to put it on hold and than when she found out willing to keep it quiet and not tell Clark I really doubt Lana would of done the same...She really isn't a person I would want to be friends with.

[ISUZU]

The lowest thing she did today was virtually beg Clark to tell her his secret - I keep playing that scene over and over again - I just loved it - absolutely loved it:

"Whatever Secret Chloe is helping you to protect..Clark....Please.......Just Once....Just trust me" - (the emotion in her voice had me laughing - please please tell me....).

Clark: "Doesn't matter now" - turns away from her.

She grabs him by the arm:

"Clark dont do that"

Clark: "...I know about the baby...Lex told me..."

Lana looks down as if thinking :- "damn he will never tell me now".....

Clark: "..Everythings changed"


Oh it was classic - she was like devestated - totally screwed - and the look Clark gave was like "You slept with my worse enemy and now your carrying"

I think the choices for the vote in each case are not valid - because Chloe is her closest friend and has been carrying the secret. She suddenly realises that Chloe knows - of course she can get angry.

Getting mad at Chloe and accusing her of leaking the story of their conversation was justifiable because she was the only one in the room with her to all appearances.

As for saying yes to Lex - I dont think she is sinking low but she is really hurt - really hurt and if Clark is not around she has always turned to Lex - check all the previous episodes accross all the seasons.

[Jetta]

Originally posted by ISUZU
The lowest thing she did today was virtually beg Clark to tell her his secret - I keep playing that scene over and over again - I just loved it - absolutely loved it:

"Whatever Secret Chloe is helping you to protect..Clark....Please.......Just Once....Just trust me" - (the emotion in her voice had me laughing - please please tell me....).

Clark: "Doesn't matter now" - turns away from her.

She grabs him by the arm:

"Clark dont do that"

Clark: "...I know about the baby...Lex told me..."

Lana looks down as if thinking :- "damn he will never tell me now".....

Clark: "..Everythings changed"


Oh it was classic - she was like devestated - totally screwed - and the look Clark gave was like "You slept with my worse enemy and now your carrying"

I think the choices for the vote in each case are not valid - because Chloe is her closest friend and has been carrying the secret. She suddenly realises that Chloe knows - of course she can get angry.

Getting mad at Chloe and accusing her of leaking the story of their conversation was justifiable because she was the only one in the room with her to all appearances.

As for saying yes to Lex - I dont think she is sinking low but she is really hurt - really hurt and if Clark is not around she has always turned to Lex - check all the previous episodes accross all the seasons.

I agree with you on the first part. I really enjoyed Clark shooting Lana down. Disagree with you on the last part though, the choices offered in this post seem valid to me.

Getting angry that Clark shared with Chloe and not her is justfiable, but for Lana to expect/demand Chloe to betray Clark to her is not.

Getting mad at Chloe is also justifiable, but you'd expect her to give her closest (and possibly only) friend and confidant the benefit of the doubt. Also, not having the decency to apologize for her outburst at Chloe and to instead blame it on Clark is not justifiable.

As a said earlier, saying yes to Lex doesn't bother me that much, I fully expected it. Again, if Lex wants someone like Lana, he can have her.

[All about Clark]

^Actually, I was surprised she didn't get more angry knowing that Chloe knew and she didn't, but she never yelled at anyone about it.

It was absolutely pitiful that Lana said yes, she just doesn't have any confidence to do anything on her own.

I think what bothered me the most, is that she was playing both men, trying to manipulate, and it was great that Clark wasn't biting. Although I wasn't exactly pleased he told her he hopes Lex makes her happy. It just meant to me he had completely given up on her. And just because he didn't want her back, doesn't mean he couldn't try to get her to see that Lex wasn't good for her. I guess he understands how dependent she is.

Also, she hides the baby issue from Clark and wants his secret when he's already rejected her, makes no sense, why did she even bother. He simply had no reason to tell her.

An interesting thought I had. Her being pregnant by Lex changed the way he viewed her, but he expects a girlfriend to not view him different when he reveals his secret. Kind of a double standard.

[RMF]

My, it's hard to choose just one. I'd pick Lana mewling about feelings to Clark without telling him she was pregnant. Really snakey. As for saying yes to Lex, if he's dumb enough to take her after she's confessed to being in love with another man, that's on him.


Originally posted by All about Clark
An interesting thought I had. Her being pregnant by Lex changed the way he viewed her, but he expects a girlfriend to not view him different when he reveals his secret. Kind of a double standard.
It changed the way he viewed the situation because she now has to take responsibility for the child, and that child should be raised by its parents. He is stepping back from what is now their family business.

[Khyla]

i think Lana's motive for acting all sweet around Clark was because she hoped he'd tell her what he's been hiding.
Since he wouldn't tell her, what better way to get help finding out than by marrying Lex , and maybe she knows that by telling Lex she loves Clark it will help push him even further into trying to uncover Clark's secrets, at any cost, without any regard for Clark's well-being. LANA IS PURE EVIL !!!

[cloisinmyheart]

definitely wouldve selected them all especially first and fourth

what has gotten into lana these days

[Khyla]

Originally posted by cloisinmyheart
...what has gotten into lana these days Lana has always been selfish, but also defines herself by her appearance to others. It's really nothing new. She's just showing us her true colors.

[Shadow116]

Originally posted by myankskent
I don't give a damn if Lana is pathetic. Is Lana supposed to be the greatest villain of all time? Bashing her character at this point is simply pointless when you have Lex Luthor on this show who is so unlike his iconic self.

They've screwed up Lana and I liked her comic self...oh well everyone else I'm still cool with.

Yet I wanted Lex to be evil like he was in S5.

And I know this last bit is a litle of topic but...whatever,who thinks comic Lana could beat SV Lana? :lol:.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Why should Lana trust Chloe when she is lying to her face? That's the price Chloe should realize she has to pay for keeping Clark's secret. No it's not her secret to tell, but she has to accept the fact that she could lose other friends because she is keeping the secret.

Actually, by acknowledging that there is a secret but refusing to tell it or saying that it's not her secret to tell would fix this problem (unless Lana goes to Lex, which would then create a huge problem). But if she does that & Chloe dies, then Clark will never forgive Lana again and she will forever lose him as a friend.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I voted #1...

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by All about Clark
An interesting thought I had. Her being pregnant by Lex changed the way he viewed her, but he expects a girlfriend to not view him different when he reveals his secret. Kind of a double standard.

I don't think it's a double standard. Clark changing his view on Lana is due to her rash behavior which got her to the point she's at today. It has nothing to do with her identity. However, Clark revealing his secret to Lana/Lois/etc would be viewed differently due to his identity. For Clark, it would not have a damn thing to do about actions, but instead be based on a prejudice of him being an alien. For Clark, he changed his view on Lana based on her actions, while when Lana finds out Clark's secret, she will change her view based on his identity. These are 2 very different reasons to change your view on someone.


Originally posted by ISUZU
The lowest thing she did today was virtually beg Clark to tell her his secret - I keep playing that scene over and over again - I just loved it - absolutely loved it:

"Whatever Secret Chloe is helping you to protect..Clark....Please.......Just Once....Just trust me" - (the emotion in her voice had me laughing - please please tell me....).

Clark: "Doesn't matter now" - turns away from her.

She grabs him by the arm:

"Clark dont do that"

Clark: "...I know about the baby...Lex told me..."

Lana looks down as if thinking :- "damn he will never tell me now".....

Clark: "..Everythings changed"


Oh it was classic - she was like devestated - totally screwed - and the look Clark gave was like "You slept with my worse enemy and now your carrying"

I loved it also. I also loved the ending of her scene with Chloe when she compared Chloe to Clark. It clearly shows that she has a huge mental problem. I think this is the 1st time they portrayed Lana as a potential psychopath. That look in her eyes was very telling. And I think if now that she knows that Chloe knows they will start writing her more consistently, then she will surely end up in Belle Reve when all this is over. I guarantee it. There's no way she could live amongst society in her current state, let alone after Lex is through with her. If Chloe doesn't die as a result of her actions, then I would say that it won't be long until people start feeling bad for Lana.

[Jephael]

I don't think Lana's actions are disgusting, but they are pretty pathetic. I mean she's that desperate to have Clark back in her life?

Someone was talking about double standards earlier but when you think about it no guy would ever get away with pining this badly over a girl.

[boogiebear]

Originally posted by Shadow116


And I know this last bit is a litle of topic but...whatever,who thinks comic Lana could beat SV Lana? :lol:.

_______________________________
Comic Lana could wipe the floor with SV Lana, as well as out think her. She was honest, dependable, loyal, and a good friend of Clark's. I am only talking about the older Lana Golden and Silver Age.
If anyone wants to read about the older Superman, Lana, Pete, and other, I would suggest going to the "www.superman.ws" site. It is a great free site where you can read older Superman comics on line. It has a great encyclopedia. One of my favorite articles was about how the FOS has changed over the years. It is a wonderful site. I love reading the old comics, even if I have read them before.

[smallvilleobsessor17]

I voted for the last option. Lana just DOES NOT think logically. She tells Lex she still loves Clark, but then accepts Lex's proposal, when he had been so heartless to her earlier that morning. I think she said yes to Lex because she realized how angry Clark was with her.

[meteor]

Originally posted by smallvilleobsessor17
I voted for the last option. Lana just DOES NOT think logically. She tells Lex she still loves Clark, but then accepts Lex's proposal, when he had been so heartless to her earlier that morning. I think she said yes to Lex because she realized how angry Clark was with her.

she said she loves both of them...not just Clark, and considering Clark kicked her to the curb and she is carrying Lex's baby..seems like a pretty logical choice to me.

besides we all know in the end it isn't gonna happen anyway:D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by meteor
she said she loves both of them...not just Clark, and considering Clark kicked her to the curb and she is carrying Lex's baby..seems like a pretty logical choice to me.
I agree. She was making some sense for once, in that scene IMO...

[Kal-ed]

Why cant I choose them all, there should be an "all of the above option" I really really think each of them is quite as dispicable (sp) as the next.

[Krypton935]

All of the above!! Lana was just wrong about everything this episode. I still lovethe ep though. She should have given chloe a chance to explain and told clark about the baby. she also shouldn't have said yes to lex especially becuase she 'loves them both". I thought that "She yelled at Chloe about keeping Clark's secret and tried to pull it out of her." was the biggest though.

[xrayvision]

I'm still waiting for someone to say that the lowest thing she did was to breathe. :)

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and am optimistic that they will fix her up and make her likable again. But I think she will need crazy hours of therapy before that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if Lex makes her a prisoner of Belle Reve or 33.1 for the majority of S7.

[SnarkMasterJ]

I would like to choose all of the options, along with a few others from the past five seasons, but I chose the last one because there's even more beneath it. Not only did she willingly admit to herself that she loved both Clark and Lex, but she told LEX that that was how she felt. Like um...where's the tact? I know how she is about the whole "thecreth and lieth be honest with me trust me blah blah blah," but sometimes it's not wrong to keep a secret if you know it'll damage someone else. Telling Lex that she loved both him and Clark was just her being able to get away with yet another selfish display of how she thinks she can have her cake and eat it too. Granted, Lex has his own faults and he shouldn't have accepted her crap answer in the first place, but this thread isn't about Lex so...sorry Lana, you screwed the pooch on that one. Not surprised, but still...the self-centeredness reached new heights.

[Jetta]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm still waiting for someone to say that the lowest thing she did was to breathe. :)

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and am optimistic that they will fix her up and make her likable again. But I think she will need crazy hours of therapy before that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if Lex makes her a prisoner of Belle Reve or 33.1 for the majority of S7.

Honestly, I was going to say that, but I thought it might be to mean. In my mind though, Lana has become unfixable. Damn, sounds like I'm talking about a damaged car or something and not a person.

[valkyriex]

If I could I would vote all of the above. If the writers' intention this season was to make Lana's character as hateable and contradictory as possible, they've done a magnificent job so far.

[Scribe]

Oh I think that the manipulation of Lex is going to cease the instant she has that baby and is married to him. Then she'll end up just like Lex's mom. I think that Lex is biding his time because no matter what, he loves Lana and if putting up with crap is what's going to take her putting the noose around her neck, so be it.

If it ever gets that far, it will all change when they're married and the baby has arrived. After that, Lex will have the greatest bargaining tool he needs to make Lana behave and that's their child.

[CDLBLUE]

Lana problem has always been one of character ( she has none) , all of the above points are true and they are the reasons that Clark has official let her go, for awhile yet Clark will regret his decision, but when Lana learns the whole truth about both Clark and Lex and the choices she has made she will regret it for the rest of her life.

[mtnmama236]

I liked Chloe's line about the Lana Lang I USED to know...that seemed to sum up a lot about her character.

I think it was really low that she tried to get his secret out of him without admitting that she is pregnant! She has to realize how much that changes things! She was 'testing' him. If he trusted her with his secret then she'd go with Clark, but since he didn't-and she thinks that Lex trusts her she'll go with Lex!

[jck97]

"Even the fact that you told me that you look back at the past and regret it every day? I guess I can't ask you to see me the same way."

I would say that the lowest thing she did was accept the proposal, because it seemed to me that she basicely told Clark that she regreted being with Lex, then said yes because only Clark shot her down. Why say yes if you regret the relationship?

[azi]

Yeah, she pretty much agreed to marry Lex since her backup boyfriend blew her off.

[meteor]

man...i'd hate for some of you dudes to be my shrink if i ever needed one..LOL..unfixable? hardly.

she has major trust and abandonment issues. she always has. she also seems to be walking a fine line with the meteor freak issue thinking it's OK to lock them up. however, she's hardly unfixable.

the main shortcoming of her character revolves around the secret. once the secret gets revealed to her, her character will do a 180. she is still good at heart...she has just grown a set of balls, which because she is with Lex now comes across as being negative, but imo is actually a positive for her character. it just needs to get pointed in the right direction. that pure as white light innocent girl next door thing has its limitations. after she learns the secret and gets away from Lex, she will become a very strong character on the show and confidante of Clark.

but i will agree as long as the secret eludes her, she will continue to experience a lot of inner turmoil.

[smallville_fetish]

The last one doesn't make sense to me. Because it's a lose-lose situation for Lana. People will either complain it was dirty of her to say yes to Lex after confessing she still loves Clark -OR they will be complaining about how she wasn't honest to Lex about Clark before saying yes to him. Well I voted for the being mad at Chloe because they have history together.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
The last one doesn't make sense to me. Because it's a lose-lose situation for Lana. People will either complain it was dirty of her to say yes to Lex after confessing she still loves Clark -OR they will be complaining about how she wasn't honest to Lex about Clark before saying yes to him.

I agree. I can't picture any sequence of events in which Lana wouldn't get bashed. Once the newspaper article's been printed, she and Clark do need to address their feelings. Clark recognized this (which is why he went to Lex's mansion) and Lana does, as well. It doesn't mean that either was necessarily rushing to jump back into a romantic relationship with the other. But, again, once Linda Lake ran that story, the pink elephant in the room could no longer be ignored by Clark, Lana, or Lex.

IMO, people are a little too quick to bash Lana when, in this instance at least, her actions seem consistent with a young adult who's been placed in a very difficult, complex, and confusing situation: an unplanned pregnancy on the heels of an unresolved previous relationship.

[clana_never_give_up]

I'd say it was Lana saying "yes" to Lex even though she's still in love with Clark. That is the lowest thing she could do.

She needs to get away from Lex or else she will be changed forever. She's so much like lex, it's disgustiong to watch.

[Raging Clue]

Lana saying yes to Lex just because Clark wouldn't tell her. That's like losing in a game and taking your ball and going home.

[Kat_Halliwell]

She said yes to Lex, knowing she was in love with Clark.
Beh. It's not the first time someone does something like that. Since Clark didn't take her back, of course she went with her second option... I mean, Lex.


She yelled at Chloe about betraying her, before the facts were out.
Lowest thing yelling at Chloe? Yeah, because she's never done that before :rolleyes:


She yelled at Chloe about keeping Clark's secret and tried to pull it out of her.
That's very Lana-ish. Nothing new.


She went to Clark, talking to him about feelings, before mentioning Lex's baby.
Now, that is low. What was she going to do? Wait until Clark said he wanted her back and then tell him about the baby?

Lana: Clark, I still love you.
Clark: I love you too
*Clana smooches*
Me: Wait. What?! Aren't you forgetting something?!
*Seven months later. Delivery room in SV's hospital*
Lana: Uh... Clark? I have something to tell you...

Now, guess which option I voted :D

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by oberyn
I agree. I can't picture any sequence of events in which Lana wouldn't get bashed. Once the newspaper article's been printed, she and Clark do need to address their feelings. Clark recognized this (which is why he went to Lex's mansion) and Lana does, as well. It doesn't mean that either was necessarily rushing to jump back into a romantic relationship with the other. But, again, once Linda Lake ran that story, the pink elephant in the room could no longer be ignored by Clark, Lana, or Lex.

IMO, people are a little too quick to bash Lana when, in this instance at least, her actions seem consistent with a young adult who's been placed in a very difficult, complex, and confusing situation: an unplanned pregnancy on the heels of an unresolved previous relationship.

The point isn't that her reasoning wasn't understandable. The point is that, whether Lana wanted to be honest with Lex or not, saying you're in love with two people while accepting a proposal from one of those people is terribly selfish. She shouldn't have even bothered, and some secrets are worse in confession than they are in keeping them to yourself. Why would he feel better knowing that she was in love with him and Clark but chose him basically by default? IMO, he shouldn't have taken her rationale of the situation, because it was skewed and self-centered.

[All about Clark]

^No he shouldn't, but he's as mentally screwed up as Lana and they both would rather have someone where there are issues than no one at all.

[Raging Clue]

Lex was totally a "Plan B" in this episode. Up until the last 5 minutes, Lana was interested in Clark. In the last 5 minutes, Lana got rejected, pushed away, and used her Plan B which was to say yes to Lex.

[Tacosupes]

Why are you blaming Lana for being in love with Clark? She was alway in love with Clark, Lex knew that all along, and wormed his way into her life using his money and the space ship he found/stole. Lex is just as pathetic as hes always been, pining, begging for Lana while she's in love with Clark. He's a loser , and proved that going for unwarranted kisses in "Rekoning". So of course he's Going to marry her knowing She loves Claek.

He assumed that all along, and really used how Clark dumped her to get into her pants. He was like "you can either fight with Clarks ghost or be with me". So he's fine with being number two, the rebound boy and her second Choice.
Knowing that, why would her even propose in the first place.
All Lana did was tell him the truth.
If she was going to tell him she hates Clark, he would know deep down it's only because of her sense of rejection, which means she love Clark anyway, so what do you want.

I would have to say her lowest move in this episode was trying to pry the secret from Chloe, after Chloe clearly told her earlier in the episode She needs to talk to Clark directly. And what Linda Lake said should not have been a big revelation to Lana, after "ZOD" and "Vessel" where Chloe was in on the "kill Lex plot" with Clark. She clearly knewmore about Clark than Lana. Not only that, but after plotting with Lex on the black ship, the black box, level 33.1, and carryiing his diseased seed. Where THE HELL does she get off thinking she's entitled to knowing Clarks secret from Chloe, Mrs. Kent or anyone. Screw her. Her righteous indignation against Chloe was craop, and it was a flaw in the writing not having Chloe throw that in her face, and not having Clark throw the "Simone plot" into Lex's face.

[shirkie]

Lana did so many low things in this episode that I cannot even bother to rank them. I just wanted to smack that girl upside the head... Well, even more than usual, I mean.
shirkie

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by shirkie
Lana did so many low things in this episode that I cannot even bother to rank them. I just wanted to smack that girl upside the head... Well, even more than usual, I mean.
shirkie
I think that just about everyone wants to slap Lana :lol:

[lillie_poo_pod]

lol Clark needs to slap her like he did Chloe back in Spirit when Dawn possessed him.

[Kal-ed]

Am I the only one hoping Clark is total and utter bastard A$$ to Lana in Crimson.

[Jetta]

Originally posted by Tacosupes
Where THE HELL does she get off thinking she's entitled to knowing Clarks secret from Chloe, Mrs. Kent or anyone. Screw her. Her righteous indignation against Chloe was craop, and it was a flaw in the writing not having Chloe throw that in her face, and not having Clark throw the "Simone plot" into Lex's face.

You know, I really wanted Chloe to fire back at Lana when she was prying. I've come to realize though, that she didn't, because if she had she would have been confirming Lana's suspicions. Instead she kept completely silent to better protect Clark and his secret. So I'm not as mad now that she didn't, becuase her hands were effectively tied. I just hope that if they weren't Chloe would have let Lana have it, the same way she let Clark have it earlier in the episdoe.

[Max001]

I don't condone Lana's behaviour since the breakup in S5 but to be fair I can understand why they have her acting this way.

Think about it. From the time her parents were killed everyone has been trying to protect her from the world. Her Aunt lied to her about her Mother and Father (Or just didn't tell the truth) and of course the emotional baggage from having a different meteor infected person trying to kill you every week is gonna mount up on top of that. Then we have Clark.... The person that she knows cares about her more than anyone else yet he hides somthing. Now we all know that he trusted her with that secret but didn't tell her for her own safety but how is she supposed to know that? Add Lex forcefully making his way into her life and getting her to trust him by constantly lieing (Thats Irony for ya) and you have the perfect mix for the woman who dosen't know what she wants in life. Other factors include being targeted by Aliens, being Pregnant and her finding out her best friend (Chloe) has been keeping the huge secret thats so well hidden from her.

I don't know about the rest of you but considering whats happend to that character over the last 6 years I admire her restraint....

So yeah I don't hate Lana like everyone else seems to on these boards... I actually feel sorry for her.

[Rachel B]

IMO Lana did a lot of low things in this episode, I guess everyone has their own opinions as to what was the lowest.

Lana had to be crazy to have the nerve to get angry and cold at Chloe for keeping someone else's secret after Chloe has helped her so much in the past. After she had just accused Chloe of telling her secret to the paper no less! It just really shows Lana's friendship potential

Then Lana goes to Clark in her unique manipulative way and tries to sweet talk Clark's secret from him, until he shut her down. Then she went to Lex and accepted his hand in marriage. (personally i think that lex was stupid for settling in second place, i would have told lana to take a long walk off a short bridge)

How in the world do you try to resurrect a relationship with someone while you're pregnant with another man's baby is beyond me, has she no shame? Alas, I couldn't decide on what to vote for since to me they all are low points for one person to do alone.

[CDLBLUE]

At no time was Lana entitled to know Clark's secrets, even when they were lovers, all people have the right to keep some part of themselves hidden, does the fact that Clark has not been as forthrigh in all aspects of his life negate the countless times that he saved Lana. stood by her thru thick and thin, protected her from every conceiveable danger, nor does it justify her turning into a worthless tramp, a spy for his enemy, to turn her back on all the good and decent people she has ever know, so that she could be a trophy for a psycho millionare, Clark/Lana is dead, (thank God), bring on Clark/Lois.

[meteor]

Originally posted by CDLBLUE
nor does it justify her turning into a worthless tramp, a spy for his enemy, to turn her back on all the good and decent people she has ever know, so that she could be a trophy for a psycho millionare, Clark/Lana is dead, (thank God), bring on Clark/Lois.

i was with you all the way until you started in on the hyperbole that some of the Lana bashing seems to take form of.

a worthless tramp? why..because she has slept with a grand total of 2 men in her life? because she moved onto somebody else after she got dumped by her boyfriend? it's true shacking up with Clark's friend can be asked questiions of, but Lex was her friend just as much as he was Clark's beforehand. that characterization imo is totally unfair and innacurate.

who is "every good and decent person she has ever known that she turned her back on?" who are these people? Clark dumped her..not the other way around. what universe do people live in where women get dumped by their boyfriend and continue on being their best pal like nothing ever happened? she is still friends with Chloe although at times has strained their relationship and has been wrong, and 3 episodes ago went to Martha with a plan to help the immigrants that got effected by that psycho farmer. again..i don't now how you can say she has turned her back on every decent person she has known.

and when did Lana spy on Clark for Lex? that never happened. she has never told Lex anything about Clark that could have compromised him.

she has made many mistakes, and there have been many moments on the show where you wanna ring her neck, but that's life. she was wrong to get angry at Chloe for keeping Clark's secret, but so was Clark to get angry at Chloe. she defended Lex to Chloe about Area 51 because she believed him..but people do defend their boyfriends when they believe them. she has been *****y to Clark this whole season, and i have been looking forward to Crimson personally to see Clark give some of that back to her, but what do you expect..he dumped her (not questioning his reasoning he thought he was protecting her) and she was hurt. it's just my 2 cents but some of this stuff regarding Lana sounds almost weird.

of course, we're only talking about TV characters so its all good anyways :) :lol:

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
I would have selected all, if that were an option.


I agree.All of the above are extremely low...But,I pick the first one...going after Clark when she's pregnant with Lex's baby is more disgusting.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Am I the only one hoping Clark is total and utter bastard A$$ to Lana in Crimson.
Nope..

Not at all..

[oberyn]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
The point isn't that her reasoning wasn't understandable. The point is that, whether Lana wanted to be honest with Lex or not, saying you're in love with two people while accepting a proposal from one of those people is terribly selfish.

How is that selfish? She told Lex the truth. I.e., that she loves both Clark and Lex and possibly always will. At that point the ball is in Lex's court.


She shouldn't have even bothered, and some secrets are worse in confession than they are in keeping them to yourself.

So, in that scenario her options are to:

1. Accept Lex's proposal without telling him the truth. Yeah, that's a wonderful foundation on which to build a marriage.

2. Say no without telling Lex why. Which, given the circumstances, would basically be admtting she's in love with Clark without letting Lex know that she loves him, too. Yep, that's much better for Lex.

3. Say no and make up some b.s. reason why. How is this bette for Lex? If I propose to someone and they shoot me down, I'd like them to be honest about why. If Lex is that emotionally fragile, he should be making an appointment with a therapist, not popping the question.

Come on. :rolleyes:


Why would he feel better knowing that she was in love with him and Clark but chose him basically by default?

Lex doesn't know she chose him by default. We also don't know Lana's ultimate intentions when she went to see Clark in the barn any more than we know Clark's ultimate intentions when he went by Lex's mansion to try and talk to Lana. They could have been trying to get together or, as seems more logical to me, once an article has been published in the DP talking about Lana's lingering/unresolved feelings, both recognized it was time to have that talk they've been avoiding all season.


IMO, he shouldn't have taken her rationale of the situation, because it was skewed and self-centered.

I'm a person who likes to know where I stand in relationships. If I were Lex, I would have withdrawn my marriage proposal, but not because I thought Lana was being self-centered.

I don't want to be anyone's second choice, and I don't want a woman accepting my marriage proposal out of a sense of selflessness or self-sacrifice. I'd be thankful that I found out that she was still in love with some other guy before we'd said our I do's as opposed to afterward. :lol:

ETA: It is possible to dislike a character without finding a way to twist that character's every action into something negative. That's just as skewed a view as the one in which a fan thinks a character can do no wrong.

[mobiusklein]

You left out one option. Leave him and tell him she's still hot for Clark. There, she's honest and doesn't waste his time.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
You left out one option. Leave him and tell him she's still hot for Clark. There, she's honest and doesn't waste his time.

And completely ignore the fact that she's pregnant with Lex's child? We aren't talking about a situation where Lana's deciding with whom to go to the prom. :\

[mobiusklein]

It's controversial but she could have an abortion and frankly, if the marriage is being based on what's in her uterus, it's not going to work anyway. She could also sign the kid over to Lex 100%. (shrugs) Then she can beat Clark over the head with "I abandoned my child for YOU, for YOU!"

In any case even if you stick Lex with 100% of the Lexana stupidity, you can't keep sticking others with her part in the other messes.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
It's controversial but she could have an abortion and frankly, if the marriage is being based on what's in her uterus, it's not going to work anyway.

1. Network television characters do not, 99.9% of the time, get abortions. Maude got one in 1972, since then, they've been about as rare as a six-leaf clover. Occasionally, you'll get a character who reveals she had one in the past, but that's about it. Do you really think DC, the CW, etc. are going to let Lana Lang have an abortion on "Smallville"? :\


She could also sign the kid over to Lex 100%. (shrugs) Then she can beat Clark over the head with "I abandoned my child for YOU, for YOU!"

And of course Lana wouldn't get bashed for abandoning her child to Lex. :rolleyes:


In any case even if you stick Lex with 100% of the Lexana stupidity, you can't keep sticking others with her part in the other messes.

I'm not sticking either one of them with stupidity. While I don't think either one of them has been depicted as handling the situation perfectly that, in and of itself, means I find the depiction realistic. I'm just amused (or perhaps bemused is a better choice of words) that Lana gets bashed for everything but the way she chews her food. :lol:

[meteor]

Originally posted by oberyn
I'm not sticking either one of them with stupidity. While I don't think either one of them has been depicted as handling the situation perfectly that, in and of itself, means I find the depiction realistic. I'm just amused (or perhaps bemused is a better choice of words) that Lana gets bashed for everything but the way she chews her food. :lol: [/B]

you took the words out of my mouth (no pun intended):eek:

[Jetta]

Originally posted by meteor
i was with you all the way until you started in on the hyperbole that some of the Lana bashing seems to take form of.

a worthless tramp? why..because she has slept with a grand total of 2 men in her life? because she moved onto somebody else after she got dumped by her boyfriend? it's true shacking up with Clark's friend can be asked questiions of, but Lex was her friend just as much as he was Clark's beforehand. that characterization imo is totally unfair and innacurate.

who is "every good and decent person she has ever known that she turned her back on?" who are these people? Clark dumped her..not the other way around. what universe do people live in where women get dumped by their boyfriend and continue on being their best pal like nothing ever happened? she is still friends with Chloe although at times has strained their relationship and has been wrong, and 3 episodes ago went to Martha with a plan to help the immigrants that got effected by that psycho farmer. again..i don't now how you can say she has turned her back on every decent person she has known.

and when did Lana spy on Clark for Lex? that never happened. she has never told Lex anything about Clark that could have compromised him.

she has made many mistakes, and there have been many moments on the show where you wanna ring her neck, but that's life. she was wrong to get angry at Chloe for keeping Clark's secret, but so was Clark to get angry at Chloe. she defended Lex to Chloe about Area 51 because she believed him..but people do defend their boyfriends when they believe them. she has been *****y to Clark this whole season, and i have been looking forward to Crimson personally to see Clark give some of that back to her, but what do you expect..he dumped her (not questioning his reasoning he thought he was protecting her) and she was hurt. it's just my 2 cents but some of this stuff regarding Lana sounds almost weird.

of course, we're only talking about TV characters so its all good anyways :) :lol:

Ok, on the tramp subject. To me, there are only 2 logical and rational reasons to call Lana a tramp. First, if she went to, and stayed with, Lex after Clark dumped her as a way to get back at Clark then she has not respect for herself (and her body, when she slept with Lex) so that would make her a tramp/slut, etc... Second reason is that people hate Lana and want to call her names because of that. Personally, I think the former is a better reason, but the latter is probably the dominant one.

On the subject of Lana spying on Clark for Lex, there is atleast one piece of evidence to support this. In Mortal, Lana steals Clark's confidential medical files from the hospital and hands it over to Lex. She may have done so to prove that Clark is normal, but that can still be easily considered as spying and downright illegal and wrong.

Now about Clark. It is true that he dumped her and she has a right to be hurt and angry. However, he has also saved her life more times than I can count (and that is just considering times she was aware he saved her). While him saving her doesn't give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants to her, it does entitle him to some respect which she hasn't shown. For that matter, she has shown him little gratitude for all the times he did rescue her (as though she just expects him to be her 24/7 guardian).

[oberyn]

Originally posted by meteor
Clark dumped her..not the other way around. what universe do people live in where women get dumped by their boyfriend and continue on being their best pal like nothing ever happened?

Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say. I once had an ex-girlfriend (who dumped me) express disapproval of someone I started going out with. As politely as I could, I told her what she could do with her "disapproval".


she has made many mistakes, and there have been many moments on the show where you wanna ring her neck, but that's life.

Exactly.


it's just my 2 cents but some of this stuff regarding Lana sounds almost weird.

I'm with you there, too. I'm not particularly fond of the character, but I can't pretend that every single thing she says or does is selfish, flighty, irrational, etc. :rolleyes:

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by oberyn
How is that selfish? She told Lex the truth. I.e., that she loves both Clark and Lex and possibly always will. At that point the ball is in Lex's court.

What we're not agreeing on is whether or not she should've even told him if she planned on accepting his marriage proposal in the first place. Is it not clear that the two parts of the scene don't match up? "Yeah I love both you and Clark but you trust me so...YES I WILL MARRY YOU." It doesn't even make sense.



Originally posted by oberyn
So, in that scenario her options are to:

1. Accept Lex's proposal without telling him the truth. Yeah, that's a wonderful foundation on which to build a marriage.

2. Say no without telling Lex why. Which, given the circumstances, would basically be admtting she's in love with Clark without letting Lex know that she loves him, too. Yep, that's much better for Lex.

3. Say no and make up some b.s. reason why. How is this bette for Lex? If I propose to someone and they shoot me down, I'd like them to be honest about why. If Lex is that emotionally fragile, he should be making an appointment with a therapist, not popping the question.

Come on. :rolleyes:

Those aren't the only options. IMO, if she was planning on being honest about her feelings for Clark, she shouldn't have accepted at all. Honesty is mostly always the best policy, but sometimes not saying anything is best for preserving someone else's feelings. If she was choosing Lex, then she should've chosen Lex. Bringing up Clark and her feelings for him shouldn't have even been an issue. You're welcome to disagree, but that's my standpoint.



Originally posted by oberyn
I'm a person who likes to know where I stand in relationships. If I were Lex, I would have withdrawn my marriage proposal, but not because I thought Lana was being self-centered.

I don't want to be anyone's second choice, and I don't want a woman accepting my marriage proposal out of a sense of selflessness or self-sacrifice. I'd be thankful that I found out that she was still in love with some other guy before we'd said our I do's as opposed to afterward. :lol:

ETA: It is possible to dislike a character without finding a way to twist that character's every action into something negative. That's just as skewed a view as the one in which a fan thinks a character can do no wrong.

The discussion is about what Lana was doing in this particular episode. I don't recall mentioning that every single thing she's ever done has been crappy.

As for finding out the person you love still loves someone else well...the fact that they're still trying to get married after that just means that they're both doomed to ruin the relationship in some way.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
What we're not agreeing on is whether or not she should've even told him if she planned on accepting his marriage proposal in the first place. Is it not clear that the two parts of the scene don't match up? "Yeah I love both you and Clark but you trust me so...YES I WILL MARRY YOU." It doesn't even make sense.

Lex already knows she still has strong feelings for Clark. He no doubt suspected it, and the Linda Lake article pretty much confirmed it.

She's saying she's got strong feelings for both of them, but (in her mind) Lex is willing to trust her, is willing to make a commitment, and is the father of the child she's carrying to boot. Yes, it's completely out of left field that she'd accept his marriage proposal? :confused:


Those aren't the only options. IMO, if she was planning on being honest about her feelings for Clark, she shouldn't have accepted at all. Honesty is mostly always the best policy, but sometimes not saying anything is best for preserving someone else's feelings.

Again, if the Linda Lake article hadn't already been published and Lex hadn't already read it, I might have agreed with you. Once that cat was out of the bag, though, leaving Lex in the dark seems like a far crueler move than telling him the truth. That's just me, but I'd rather get resolution even if it means I might not hear what I want to hear, as opposed to continued uncertainty. That's definitely poison to a relationship, IMO.


If she was choosing Lex, then she should've chosen Lex. Bringing up Clark and her feelings for him shouldn't have even been an issue. You're welcome to disagree, but that's my standpoint.

This is where we're just going to have to agree to disagree. To me, under those circumstances, how could she not bring up her feelings for Clark? Again, that cat's already out of the bag. If she doesn't bring up Clark, regardless of the answer she gives Lex, it would require both of them to just pretend that the Clark issue hadn't just been revealed in a paper with national circulation. If I propose to my girlfriend and then read a story in a newspaper (which she doesn't deny) about how she's hesitating to give me an answer because of her feelings for her ex, you can bet I'm not going to accept an answer one way or the other that doesn't address those feelings.


The discussion is about what Lana was doing in this particular episode. I don't recall mentioning that every single thing she's ever done has been crappy.

I didn't direct that comment at you. Sorry if you took it that way.

Now, if you're saying that it's a mistake for Lana and Lex to get married, I'd agree with you, but that's a 50/50 thing, IMO and not solely (or even mostly) the result of selfish, manipulative, or dishonest actions on Lana's part. I know Lex is being written as a wuss, but he's a big boy and not (seeminly) a victim of mind control. At what point does he bear some of the responsibility for not withdrawing the proposal in light of the fact that his intended has just told him she also loves someone else? :confused:

[TheSupaMan]

This marriage is going to end up like Lionel and his wife (forgot her name) Lana's going to end up killing the baby because she realizes how shady Lex is. The only difference will be, Lana's already a pyscho.

[CDLBLUE]

Any women who would have sex with a pig like Lex Luthoer, with his sexual history is as much of a pig as he is, Lana must have know of the other women who lived in his home before her, of the woman he picked up at ball and was found murdered in his bed next to him, of his general contempt and abuse of anyone he had any kind of relationship with. Clark had proved his love for her more times that he had saved her life, she might have considered the fact he had lost his father, was going thru a bad time or any number of things, before getting involved with a crimmial, as for turning her back on the decent people in her life, she has ripped Clark on every possible occasion, she has turned on Chole repeatly, she threatned that doctor and his family in one episode, she thinks that the metor freaks should be tortued for their weakness, (it's not their fault what happened to them). she believes every lie Lex tells her, but not one word anybody else says, then when she's carrying another man child , she goes an ex tells him she still cares for him, and ask him to tell all his secrets, which she would immedility go to Lex Luthoe with ( a spy) , to call her worthless tramp is to be poliet.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by CDLBLUE
Clark had proved his love for her more times that he had saved her life, she might have considered the fact he had lost his father, was going thru a bad time or any number of things, before getting involved with a crimmial. . .

This would make a lot more sense to me if Lana had dumped Clark to be with Lex. That's not the way it happened.

[mobiusklein]

I think what people are more worried about is the other characters' perception of the situation in the sense that they don't want Chloe, Clark, Ma Kent, Lois to grovel and apologize to Lana when the Lexana fiasco explodes and say that she's 100% innocent and go on and on about how Lex played a Jedi-mind trick on her, etc.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
I think what people are more worried about is the other characters' perception of the situation in the sense that they don't want Chloe, Clark, Ma Kent, Lois to grovel and apologize to Lana when the Lexana fiasco explodes and say that she's 100% innocent and go on and on about how Lex played a Jedi-mind trick on her, etc.
I know. It's like people think Lana is innocent. Chloe isn't innocent either because she knows how evil Lex is, and she still told Lana to be with him.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
I think what people are more worried about is the other characters' perception of the situation in the sense that they don't want Chloe, Clark, Ma Kent, Lois to grovel and apologize to Lana when the Lexana fiasco explodes and say that she's 100% innocent and go on and on about how Lex played a Jedi-mind trick on her, etc.

So it's pre-emptive bashing? That still doesn't make much sense to me. :confused:


I know. It's like people think Lana is innocent.

I'm certainly not saying Lana's innocent. I just think she and Lex have contributed equally to this dysfunctional relationship, and it's unfair to lay the lion's share of the blame at the feet of one character simply because we like the other character better.

[Raging Clue]

Relationships are 50/50. Lana was crushed and needed comforting, but she knew how evil Lex was when she confided in him. Lex might have feelings for Lana, but his main motive is to hurt Clark.

[cazman_uk]

to be fair Lana harps on a bit at Clark, secret this and truth that. If a friend finds out that you've got a secret that your keeping and you tell them don't ask cause I can't tell you. You'd go mad if they kept on about it like Lana. Thats why they're not toghether she drives him mad and not in a good way.

[mobiusklein]

I'm talking about how TPTB have portrayed the characters' reactions in the past and how many people are unhappy that Clark got called on by Chloe more regarding his attitude about his secret being the only one worthy of being kept than Lana.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
I'm talking about how TPTB have portrayed the characters' reactions in the past and how many people are unhappy that Clark got called on by Chloe more regarding his attitude about his secret being the only one worthy of being kept than Lana.

So shouldn't the criticism be aimed at the characterization of Chloe for not calling Lana on the carpet for something for which she just called Clark on the carpet? :confused:

It just seems like some of the criticism takes the form of: Character X acts like a dope around Lana, how dare Lana make Character X act that way? As opposed to, why are they having Character X act that way? :\

[mobiusklein]

What people are criticizing is TPTB for making every single Tom, Dick and Harrietta bow down before her. It bends the entire structure of the story. Because Lana is the common point of this structural dysfunction, I'd say she's the problem. It's obvious when people actually in all seriousness wonder if she's a FOTW who makes people love her like Desiree in Heat though not in the same fashion.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
What people are criticizing is TPTB for making every single Tom, Dick and Harrietta bow down before her. It bends the entire structure of the story. Because Lana is the common point of this structural dysfunction, I'd say she's the problem. It's obvious when people actually in all seriousness wonder if she's a FOTW who makes people love her like Desiree in Heat though not in the same fashion.

Doesn't that equate to bad writing with respect to the other characters, though? I guess I just still don't see why the criticism is so seemingly one-sided. I get more upset about the characterizations of Lex, Clark, Chloe, etc. Lana's not written in a Mary Sueish way. She has plenty of flaws and makes plenty of mistakes.

When I see Lex Luthor acting whipped, I get mad that they've chosen to portray Lex in that manner.

I thought the whole Zod thing was stupid. I mean I can sort of rationalize why Lex might have a Lana fixation, but Zod's interest in having her as a mate didn't seem to make a whole lot of sense, but, hey, I've suspended my disbelief in plenty of other shows where the villain just happens to be illogically fixated on the protagonist's girlfriend (a fixation which inevitably lead to his demise) without getting too overwrought.

[CDLBLUE]

Did Lana ever consider the fact that Clark might be having some problems, his father had just died, she could have gone into a temporary friendship phase with him until he got over his grief, you don't do drugs and then go to the next warm body around, Lana problem has always been one of character (she has none), everyone has to tell her the truth even when it's none of her business, everyone has to adore her, when in fact there is very little to even like, this attitude of entitlement is her downfall, now she is pregnant by a psychopath crimmial, she has lost the only true love of her life, and she's in a mess that even Superman can't save her from, when this all hits the fan, Lana is going to get a comeupance that she thourghly deserves, and hopefully she will gain some hard won wisdom from it all, but in any case I just want her out of Clark life for good.

[cazman_uk]

I think she could use a kick up the jacksy, a slap round the head and told to sort it out. Then placed into a rocket and fired in the general direction of Pluto just to give her time to think about how she makes people around her miserable and how overjoyed they are when she's not there.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by cazman_uk
I think she could use a kick up the jacksy, a slap round the head and told to sort it out. Then placed into a rocket and fired in the general direction of Pluto just to give her time to think about how she makes people around her miserable and how overjoyed they are when she's not there.

So I take it you wouldn't support a Lana Lang spin-off series? I'm getting the sense you have a few problems with the character. . .

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by oberyn
So I take it you wouldn't support a Lana Lang spin-off series? I'm getting the sense you have a few problems with the character. . .
I was feeling that same vibe...

[cazman_uk]

whoa there I wasn't finished.
After she'd thought about it, she should smother her self with a sugar based food pour a can of flesh eating ants over her and then let loose the hungery ardvark with the slightly agressive attitude.

[oberyn]

Originally posted by cazman_uk
whoa there I wasn't finished.
After she'd thought about it, she should smother her self with a sugar based food pour a can of flesh eating ants over her and then let loose the hungery ardvark with the slightly agressive attitude.

You had me at "kick up the jacksy". :lol:

Besides, wouldn't she just use her "Lana Love Jones" on the ants and the aardvark? Then we can bash Lana for cruelty to animals.

[cazman_uk]

Bash her anyway with a truck preferably

[oberyn]

Originally posted by cazman_uk
Bash her anyway with a truck preferably

The truck driver would just fall in love with her, too, and swerve to avoid her at the last moment.

[cazman_uk]

I didn't say there was anyone driving the truck i just said hit her with it

[meteor]

Originally posted by Jetta
Ok, on the tramp subject. To me, there are only 2 logical and rational reasons to call Lana a tramp. First, if she went to, and stayed with, Lex after Clark dumped her as a way to get back at Clark then she has not respect for herself (and her body, when she slept with Lex) so that would make her a tramp/slut, etc... Second reason is that people hate Lana and want to call her names because of that. Personally, I think the former is a better reason, but the latter is probably the dominant one.

On the subject of Lana spying on Clark for Lex, there is atleast one piece of evidence to support this. In Mortal, Lana steals Clark's confidential medical files from the hospital and hands it over to Lex. She may have done so to prove that Clark is normal, but that can still be easily considered as spying and downright illegal and wrong.

Now about Clark. It is true that he dumped her and she has a right to be hurt and angry. However, he has also saved her life more times than I can count (and that is just considering times she was aware he saved her). While him saving her doesn't give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants to her, it does entitle him to some respect which she hasn't shown. For that matter, she has shown him little gratitude for all the times he did rescue her (as though she just expects him to be her 24/7 guardian).

points taken. i dn't think she got involved with Lex just to get back at Clark personally, although that is a matter of opinion. she did hesitate and ask Chloe's advice when she was getting deeper with Lex...i think Lana is pretty needy, Lex was a good friend to her and he filled the void that was left after Clark.

i actually agree with your second point, although i would say Lana did soften towards Clark the last few episodes. she went there in Hydro to tell him he was still a part of her life even if they weren't together to try and soften things(and got bashed for that). also, the last time in the barn after the Psycho farmer thing..that was Clark's fault. she was decent towards him and went there to see his mother to help the refugees and he went off on her about being Lex's pawn when she was genuinely trying to help. imo her reaction has been pretty much normal...a period of anger and resentment toward him followed by her starting to come around. yes she went thrugh the b*tchy phase and should have shown more compassion after Clark lost his father, but again..please point me towards this universe where chicks who get hurt and dumped by their boyfriends don't in some way get feel resentful about it. i wanna go there..LOL

on the spying thing..i hear what you're saying but we all know what the word spying implies, and Lana has never compromised Clark in any way to Lex.

all i'm saying is i get pissed at her character plenty, particularly when she is quick to judge and not trust her friends, and i posted in a lot of those early Crimson threads how i was looking forward to Clark giving her a piece of hs mind on RedK...but the tramp/slut/spawn of satan angle that some of the criticism takes i find over the top.

[HotStudsSuccess]

Both Lana and Lex sank pretty low at the end of this episode.

[Jetta]

Originally posted by meteor
points taken. i dn't think she got involved with Lex just to get back at Clark personally, although that is a matter of opinion. she did hesitate and ask Chloe's advice when she was getting deeper with Lex...i think Lana is pretty needy, Lex was a good friend to her and he filled the void that was left after Clark.

i actually agree with your second point, although i would say Lana did soften towards Clark the last few episodes. she went there in Hydro to tell him he was still a part of her life even if they weren't together to try and soften things(and got bashed for that). also, the last time in the barn after the Psycho farmer thing..that was Clark's fault. she was decent towards him and went there to see his mother to help the refugees and he went off on her about being Lex's pawn when she was genuinely trying to help. imo her reaction has been pretty much normal...a period of anger and resentment toward him followed by her starting to come around. yes she went thrugh the b*tchy phase and should have shown more compassion after Clark lost his father, but again..please point me towards this universe where chicks who get hurt and dumped by their boyfriends don't in some way get feel resentful about it. i wanna go there..LOL

on the spying thing..i hear what you're saying but we all know what the word spying implies, and Lana has never compromised Clark in any way to Lex.

all i'm saying is i get pissed at her character plenty, particularly when she is quick to judge and not trust her friends, and i posted in a lot of those early Crimson threads how i was looking forward to Clark giving her a piece of hs mind on RedK...but the tramp/slut/spawn of satan angle that some of the criticism takes i find over the top.

You are right that a woman would be hurt when dumped by her boyfriend, and her being angry with them is normal. However, the situation with Clark Kent is hardly normal, at the time when he dumped her, how many times had he already saved her life. Again, I say this doesn't give him permission to do whatever he wants, but does entitle him to some respect, of which Lana has shown less than none with her b****iness.

I also disagree with you about her trying to soften their relationship. Lana went to Clark right after she failed to extract his secret from Chloe (which was low). Also, when she was with Clark in the loft, her discussion focussed entirely around getting him to reveal his secret. Lana didn't go there to soften their relationship, she went to get what she wanted (his secret). That she hid her pregnancy and told him that she wanted Clark to be the first to know about Lex's proposal was all to make him like her / trust her enough to tell him.

I will concede to you that the response Clark got from Lana at the end of Subterranean was deserved. However, I've not seen any sign of her trying to improve their relationship before that, nor did I see any sign of her trying to improve their relationship in that episode. On a side note, you'd think that if she was going to see her ex-boyfriend's mom, she would have called before hand, instead of just walking onto the farm. Made me wish that Clark would have hit her with the same line he gave Lex in Rush: "Have you ever heard of a phone, I'm sick of you barging in here all the time like you own the place."

[oberyn]

Originally posted by Jetta
You are right that a woman would be hurt when dumped by her boyfriend, and her being angry with them is normal. However, the situation with Clark Kent is hardly normal, at the time when he dumped her, how many times had he already saved her life. Again, I say this doesn't give him permission to do whatever he wants, but does entitle him to some respect, of which Lana has shown less than none with her b****iness.

I still have to side with Meteor on this one. Frankly, if Lana didn't go through that period of b****iness, I would have found it very unrealistic. I don't care if you're Superman or Joe Schmoe, if you dump someone expect a period in which they might not be disposed to viewing you in a favorable light.


Lana didn't go there to soften their relationship, she went to get what she wanted (his secret). That she hid her pregnancy and told him that she wanted Clark to be the first to know about Lex's proposal was all to make him like her / trust her enough to tell him.

I obviously didn't view the scene that way. While I agree that Clark is in no way obligated to reveal his secret to Lana, Lana's also under no obligation to reveal her pregnancy to him. These two have barely been on speaking terms this season, and it hasn't always been Lana's fault. Not even close. Again, for this show in particular, it's been a pretty realistic portrayal of what happens after a break up.


On a side note, you'd think that if she was going to see her ex-boyfriend's mom, she would have called before hand, instead of just walking onto the farm.

Well, in fairness, most characters don't phone ahead before they drop in on Clark in his Barn of Solitude. In fact, I can't think of the last time a character did call beforehand. :confused:

[fresh prince]

the lowest thing she did was talk in this episode

[Jetta]

Originally posted by oberyn
I obviously didn't view the scene that way. While I agree that Clark is in no way obligated to reveal his secret to Lana, Lana's also under no obligation to reveal her pregnancy to him. These two have barely been on speaking terms this season, and it hasn't always been Lana's fault. Not even close. Again, for this show in particular, it's been a pretty realistic portrayal of what happens after a break up.

Well, in fairness, most characters don't phone ahead before they drop in on Clark in his Barn of Solitude. In fact, I can't think of the last time a character did call beforehand. :confused:

You are right, neither Clark nor Lana are obligated to reveal their secrets to the other, especially now. To me, however, it seemed as though her conversation with Clark was tailored at getting at his secret. The line where she tells him that she wanted him to be the first to know about the proposal. Clark responds with "is that supposed to make me feel better?". I think that that was exactly what Lana expected that statement to do, however it failed. Again, with the pregnancy, Lana wasn't obligated to tell Clark, but the reason I mentioned it in my previous post was because I believe that she hid it because it would hurt her chances of learning Clark's secret. I also argue that if she was only, or primarily, interested in rebuilding her relationship with Clark, why did she try to extract his secret behind his back, from Chloe? That she made that attempt was another thing that she kept hidden from Clark as well. I will concede that maybe rebuilding their relationship was on Lana's mind, but I strongly doubt that it was her primary concern when she visited the barn. I realize that some parts of what I'm saying are based on opinion and interpretation, so I admit that I could be wrong, but I also think that what I am saying is definetely possible (otherwise I wouldn't be saying it).

Again, on a side note, they really should start calling first at the barn. I mean Clark finally started going through Lex's security before trying to meet him or Lana, instead of just barging in like he used to (via superpowers). I don't think that asking a for a pre-visit phone call is too much to ask for, is it?

[oberyn]

Originally posted by Jetta
I also argue that if she was only, or primarily, interested in rebuilding her relationship with Clark, why did she try to extract his secret behind his back, from Chloe?

See, I'm willing to cut her a little bit of slack because of the circumstances. It was pretty obvious that Linda Lake was about to reveal a secret about Clark and a secret about which Chloe obviously already knew. It's not like Lana just showed up at the DP with the intention of grilling Chloe about Clark's secret. Considering that "secrets and lies" :rolleyes: was such a problem in her relationship with Clark, I would have found it a little strange if she hadn't asked Chloe about it.



That she made that attempt was another thing that she kept hidden from Clark as well.

God, I'm coming off like a Lana-apologist here, but what would Lana's saying "Oh, by the way, I asked Chloe about your secret, but she wouldn't tell me anything" really add to the conversation. Clark didn't exactly reveal that he'd also been asking Chloe about what was going on with Lana.


I will concede that maybe rebuilding their relationship was on Lana's mind, but I strongly doubt that it was her primary concern when she visited the barn. I realize that some parts of what I'm saying are based on opinion and interpretation, so I admit that I could be wrong, but I also think that what I am saying is definetely possible (otherwise I wouldn't be saying it).

Absolutely. And I'm simply saying that (1) it's one possible interpretation and (2) regardless of her intentions, once that Linda Lake story was printed, these two had to have a conversation and some sort of resolution.

[darkkrypton81]

Lana really needs to make up her mind. The same old garbage about secrets went old like 5 seasons ago! I'm getting tired of trashing my living room every time Lana makes Clark and Lex look like idiots.

Something's gotta be done because the way I see it. Lana is the one big obstruction in Clark and Lex's destinies.

[cotton candy girl]

It doesn't matter that Clark constantly lies to Lana yet wanted to be in a relationship with her? I don't blame Lana for wanting to know the truth. And Clark and Lex make themselves look like idiots. :\

[Ginx]

Originally posted by darkkrypton81
Lana really needs to make up her mind. The same old garbage about secrets went old like 5 seasons ago! I'm getting tired of trashing my living room every time Lana makes Clark and Lex look like idiots.

Something's gotta be done because the way I see it. Lana is the one big obstruction in Clark and Lex's destinies.

I usually go with lana is acting like an idiot instead of Clark/Lex looking like idiots.

But that is just my opinion. Maybe if she was able to keep secrets better people would tell her more.....:rolleyes:

[cotton candy girl]

Like Chloe told Clark, he was stupid if he thought he could be in a relationship with Lana and not tell her his secret.

[chlarkfan333]

^ Yes, but Lana is no longer in a relationship with Clark and has lost the privilege of knowing his secret which is what made her actions in this episode even more appalling.

[cotton candy girl]

I'm not arguing that Clark has a reason to tell Lana his secret now. I was responding to how Lana whining about secrets and lies got old seasons ago. It really didn't, imo. Clark was in a relationship with her, so she had a right to know. I guess I'm off-topic though.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I'm not arguing that Clark has a reason to tell Lana his secret now. I was responding to how Lana whining about secrets and lies got old seasons ago. It really didn't, imo. Clark was in a relationship with her, so she had a right to know. I guess I'm off-topic though.
True. She should have known long ago.
Now it doesn't really matter anymore, IMO...

[cazman_uk]

Lana should have been told or at least found out Clarks secret or failing that realised that there was a direct relationship between the amount of times she was rescued and the amount of times Clark was there.

[Rhoda123]

This was a very hard choice for me because I see all of them as being bad.. but I think going to Clark without mentioning the baby was the lowest.. if she and Clark tried to work something out and then he found out she was carrying Lex's devil spawn, that would have been horrible for Clark to deal with.. I hate that Lana is in this situation but she has noone to blame but herself. She is the one who slept with Lex! Even though Clark may have hurt her when he broke up with her, most people cope and move on and don't do it with someone that they know their friends have warned them about and don't do it with someone they don't really trust.. plus, she agreed to marry him and doesn't really love him or if she does love him, she loves Clark as well. She is quite screwed up and I want the Clana to come to an end once and for all. Five seasons is enough already!

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by cazman_uk
Lana should have been told or at least found out Clarks secret or failing that realised that there was a direct relationship between the amount of times she was rescued and the amount of times Clark was there.

I definitely agree that she should have been told a long time ago. He should have told her before they had their screwfest in season 5 (Mortal & Hidden). He should have probably told her in season 3. I don't condone anything Lana has done lately (other than try to kill Zod), but I think Clark made a bad move not telling her all that time. She was very dedicated to Clark in season 5 and didn't really bring up S&L until Reckoning. If he didn't trust her, he should have broken up with her a long time ago (the same thing applies to Lana about Clark).

But now is too late. He should never tell her...BUT she should find out independently (through the mansion's security camera footage) and eventually understand why he couldn't tell her while she has ties with Lex.

I think Lana finding that obsession room is a MUST. The reason why I think that is because she will finally see how crazy Lex is about his obsessions and how Clark could not trust him or anyone hanging out with him. And most importantly, she will see that obsession in Lex and realize that she is similar to Lex in that regard since both are obsessed with Clark's secret (and the black ship, etc). She will finally realize what such an obsession has done to Lex and either drop her tendencies to obsess or seek out help to do just that to avoid ending up the same way herself. In other words, it will be a mirror, reflecting on Lana a bad characteristic of hers that she has never acknowledged & always denied.

[Mischael12]

I don't think it's a matter of trust, it just that he has seen that knowing his secret gets people involved in some crazy stuff so he wanted to avoid that for her.

He was more afraid of how she would react, as well he wasn't really confidant with what his destiny truly implied, remember the whole conqueror of men thing.

[Honey45]

Oh wow, that's a hard choice.

Other than yelling at Chloe for her secret getting out to the newspaper (because I would probably react the same way), those things were all pretty bad.


The worst I would have to say is saying yes to Lex.

[cazman_uk]

I think Lana showing up was probably the lowest point of the past season. They have got to write better scripts for her i'm starting to not care if she dies now.

[Max001]

I love how everyone here is acting like Lana abandonded Clark then slept with Lex the same night. If i remember correctly Lana was constantly trying to talk to Clark about the things she had seen (Aliens, Spaceships) and HE kept changing the subject. She kept trying to get close to him and HE kept pushing away. She took it all on the chin and stayed in the relationship despite all the things that he did and what happened? HE DUMPED HER! Only then did she goto Lex but it's not like she ran into the mansion and jumped in the sack with him. He preyed on her weak state for weeks as a "friend" until she believed she could trust him. Thats when the relationship developed into more than a friendship. Even then it was weeks (perhaps even months?) before they slept together.

I don't know what it is about this forum but people need to stop and look at the picture as a whole.

[Raging Clue]

Originally posted by Max001
I love how everyone here is acting like Lana abandonded Clark then slept with Lex the same night. If i remember correctly Lana was constantly trying to talk to Clark about the things she had seen (Aliens, Spaceships) and HE kept changing the subject. She kept trying to get close to him and HE kept pushing away. She took it all on the chin and stayed in the relationship despite all the things that he did and what happened? HE DUMPED HER! Only then did she goto Lex but it's not like she ran into the mansion and jumped in the sack with him. He preyed on her weak state for weeks as a "friend" until she believed she could trust him. Thats when the relationship developed into more than a friendship. Even then it was weeks (perhaps even months?) before they slept together.

I don't know what it is about this forum but people need to stop and look at the picture as a whole.
I'd believe Lana's little sob story if she didn't want to kill Lex the previous episode. What Lex did was wrong and underhanded, but Lana had other friends to turn to. Besides, since when is Clark pushing Lana away something new?

This pole is about the low things she did in the episode. If you read each option, they all make sense. Seems like Lex is rubbing off on her in more ways than one now.

[cazman_uk]

Lets not forget that Clark wasn't sure he could trust her and that she would constantly and continually badger epople to find out what Clarks hidding.....Lex is welcome to her. Hopefully now they'll go they're seperate ways and keep it that way.

[CDLBLUE]

The only thing that exceeds Lana lack of character, is her lack of judgement, back in season 2 she got involved with that guy who split himself in half, who went after her and Chole, when Clark warned her about him she accused him of being jealous, Clark saved her, in season 3, there was that guy who could hypnotize people, he got her run away with him, they stole a car, Clark saved her, then there was Adam, Lana invited him to live at the Talon, later he tried to kill her, Clark saved her, then there was Jason and his mother, they wanted to use her to find the Stones of Power, Clark saved her, now she has fallen in with Lex Luthor, I can only imagine what danger he is going to get her into, undoubtly Clark with save her, but this time she has crossed the lne, when she had sex with him that changed the dynamic between them forever, they can never be together again, and I hope she finally has the decency to leave Clark alone, to at last see his good qualites, and realize she can never be apart of his again.

[zorasuperman]

i was split between her trying to pull clark's secret out of chloe and her saying yes to lex

however her trying to pull it out of clark was understandable since everyone wants to know the mystery that is clark kent and that is understandable since there were so many secrets between them

but honestly lex? those two obviously havent been on good terms for a while and ur going to be with him

u might as well have chosen shelby; at least the dog had hair lol lmao

[Raistlin]

I find the slant of the topic question, not to mention the so-called choices, biased and unnecessarily provocative. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes on this board knows that it isn’t asafe haven for objective points of view or discussing episodes without slavish devotion to Superman mythos and/or Clark-Lois mythology. That said, I didn’t vote because there are no suitable choices. I will, however, comment on each “choice.”

#1 If I recall, Clark went to see Lana at Lex’s mansion after seeing Linda Lake’s article. Lex told Clark that Lana wasn’t in (which was a lie), then added insult to injury by telling Clark about “the baby.” That information changed Clark’s mind about trying to get to the bottom of the unfinished business between Lana and himself. Lana went to see Clark only after Chloe told her about Clark’s aborted visit. And do you really think any decent human being would not have mentioned she was pregnant along the way? What I find “low” is the assumption that Lana would not.

#2 Whoever set up this poll has a weird definition of “yelling.” I don’t remember Lana yelling at Chloe. I do recall her accusing Chloe of leaking their conversation to Linda Lake, and who hasn’t ever done that in Smallville?

#3 Again with the “yelling.” Lana did nothing more than Chloe had done 2 years running when they were all in high school. A tleast she didn’t investigate Clark like Chloe did. Do you really think anyone hearing and seeing what happened between Chloe and Linda wouldn’t have questions? People like to insinuate Lana is stupid, butapparently, she’s not stupid enough to ignore what happened during their “sting ”operation. Of course, she asked Chloe about it, and when Chloe stonewalled she was frustrated, like anyone else would have been in the same situation.

#4 Get serious. She said “yes” to Lex under duress and everyone knows that. She thought she was pregnant (and lots of women have made, and will make the same decision in that situation). So, taking her predicament into consideration, what difference did it make that she loved Clark when Clark was noncommittal towards her, and Lex was pretending to want the relationship she’d always wanted with Clark?