So is this the beginning of evil Lexana?

[Maryliz48]

Lana seems to be getting really corrupt really fast. "Money is power?" the whole conversation she had with Lex...i dunno she's acting really weird. i have a feeling by the end of this season lexana are going to at least be engaged. she seems to far gone to go back to the "innocent" girl she was before...she's like using every one and seems all manipulative and stuff. what do you guys think?

[xrayvision]

I dunno and don't care. I would like Lionel to pop caps in both their asses and become the Lex of this show. He is the bad-ass.

[Dodden]

Lionel killing both would be great, but it would really just be a good service to Clark, not an evil act...

[Superman86]

I think Lana's character is all over the place. Some episodes she is all nice and wants to help worthy causes. Then in others she wants to wipe out the FOTWs. Then tonight she says money is power and says imagine all the good we can bring? WTF, is she good or bad? I like good Lana, just makes Lex more evil.

[Charissa70]

All you need is Lionel to hear that from Lana (out of Martha's earshot of course) and Lionel will be plotting to get rid of Lana, whether she is carrying Lex's baby or not (Lionel will not want the stupid gene in his family tree)

[lillie_poo_pod]

The beginning of Evil Lex but not Lana...especially after "Think of all the good we can do in the world."

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Charissa70
All you need is Lionel to hear that from Lana (out of Martha's earshot of course) and Lionel will be plotting to get rid of Lana, whether she is carrying Lex's baby or not (Lionel will not want the stupid gene in his family tree)

LOL!! I don't think Lionel wants his grandchildren (if Lana has twins) to be named Secrets & Lies.

[BadToad]

I'm still not seeing any evidence of an evil Lana. Lex? Definitely. But Lana? She just seems more willfully stupid then anything else.

[lillie_poo_pod]

^^^ *drools@ ya avi*

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I dunno and don't care. I would like Lionel to pop caps in both their asses and become the Lex of this show. He is the bad-ass.

I'm all for that. Shame Lionel wasn't in this episode, but I'm sure he will be up to his old tricks in the second half.

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by xrayvision
LOL!! I don't think Lionel wants his grandchildren (if Lana has twins) to be named Secrets & Lies.
:rotfl:

wait dont you mean secreth and lieth? :lol:

[xrayvision]

I really wonder why Lionel saved 33.1 from being exposed. Maybe he wants that to be a distraction for something purely sinister that he's up to. For some reason, I'm still thinking that he is building the Eradictor.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I really wonder why Lionel saved 33.1 from being exposed. Maybe he wants that to be a distraction for something purely sinister that he's up to. For some reason, I'm still thinking that he is building the Eradictor.

Lionel always has his own reasons. He has his own reasons for keeping 33.1 from being exposed, he has his own reasons for not telling the world about Clark and he has his own reasons for keeping the fact that he is still studying those symbols a secret. I'm sure this will all get built up in the second half where I expect Lionel to show off some evilness because I still don't buy this good guy act.

[Honey45]

Evil?

Right after she said "Money is Power", she said "Imagine all the good we can do in the world".

That's not evil to me.

[TampaVille]

Lana's not evil. She's confused. I'm not a Lana-lover by any means, but I do think she's a great foil for Lex. When she thinks of money and power, she thinks of all the good she can do, all the charitable acts, righting wrongs, etc. Lex thinks of how he can use that power to gain more. Her goal is to save the world. His goal is world domination. In a tiny way, it's the difference between how Lex and Superman view their power.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"All you need is Lionel to hear that from Lana (out of Martha's earshot of course) and Lionel will be plotting to get rid of Lana, whether she is carrying Lex's baby or not (Lionel will not want the stupid gene in his family tree)"

HEY! WHAT IF...Lionel killed Lana and the baby, and this was the final straw that made Lex snap? It's a bit out there, and I don't really want it to happen now that I'm a fan of "Lionel as a good guy", but it was sort of a theory I had back when Lex was engaged to Helen. I thought Lionel would've somehow been directly or indirectly responsible for her death, thus making the battle between both Luthors even more deadly.

[paolinki25]

I think the fact she's acknowledging money is power means that although she has good intentions, she also sees how powerful she can be with Lex. If you ask me, yeah, these two are going to tie the knot.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Yes, I hope so...
'Just imagine what we can do with it [power]...'
<SHIVERS.>
:eek:

[ShelbyKent]

Lana now reminds me of Lex circa seasons 1-2 (the Lex who was trying to be good, trying not to give in to his baser nature).

[ERIC524892]

It's too bad this isn't an option:
"Lex uses Lana as a scapegoat. Lana ends up in prison."

I'm going with the second option.

[Xsmallville_obsessedX]

Umm... I think they're definitely trying to make Lexana evil. Did anyone else notice the pointless scary/evil music playing in the very first Lexana scene of the episode. They weren't even talking about any evil plotting or murders or anything of that sort, they might have acutally been having a decsent moment, and for some unapparent reason, scary/evil background music was playing. I thought about why, and I came to the conclusion that Lexana just scares people, and that's why the scary music was playing. :)

[Luthorism]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I dunno and don't care. I would like Lionel to pop caps in both their asses and become the Lex of this show. He is the bad-ass.

:rotfl: :rotfl: i liked this one! :D :D

[Superhunter]

Their trying to make us think lana is evil, but the ending cemented it for me. She still has alot of good in her, trying to help the immigrants, etc... I think she is trying to fight against what lex is doing, yet join him so he can be her sugar daddy

[Aloof]

I love the scary music, it totally foreshadows.

[margroks]

Lana knows what Lex is up to, has suspected him of lying to her (remember she had Chloe investigate him then refused to hear the results because she was pregnant?) although she gripes at Clark if he tries to tell her that Lex is indeed bad. Lex has been evil for a long time and capturing, experimenting upon and torturing people, AC and now in 33.1, is clear cut. That is evil. And Lana knows it and doesn't care. She just doesn't want it pointed out, or for others to know because it taints her Pink Perfection.

[Terra]

Lana isn't evil.....she is just trying too beat Lex at his own game.....

Don't you see...she hates lex...she is not being stupid...she is only acting in love with him so she can try and stop him doing evil acts in her own way....

And probably wants to prove herself in her own way to clark that she isn't as vunerable as he thinks.

[Theshadow129x]

lana doesnt know what she is. shes a contrived character that the writers just cant agree on. like seriously. one minute its lets get all the meteor freaks even the ones that havent gone crazy, then its oh um lets save the world lex. its retarded and just bad writing.

[DawnFire]

Lana's not evil...and I can see an end to their relationship soon.

[Mysticlies]

People go to college to get a diploma or a degree, some even double major, while others pursue a Masters, and some pursue their doctorate. Why? Because people want more money; whether it’s to help themselves or others, usually it’s to support more then one person. In my opinion the majorities of the people on earth have the passion and purse a better life not only for themselves but for others.

Lana knows the power that money holds, and as of now she has never said she was going to use it to hurt others, only to help others and especially those around her. Thus far I can’t really say that Lana is evil. However she did threaten that one person but in her defense it was in the defense of Lex (whom thus far she believes to be a good person). She might be showing shady signs (due to the writers being so random) but in no way are those signs even significant enough to label her as evil.

[ginnyfan]

I voted: "Lana isn't going to be evil what are you talking about?"

Just hear me out.

Lana, for some reason, loves Lex. Or even if she doesn't love him she's grown to have feelings for him that she wanted to explore (Vessel). Then, I think, Lana was hopeful that something good... that Lexana could be good and so took a chance with Lex (Wither). Then she started to lose her faith in Lexana and was ready to walk away... but found out that she was pregnant.

Through all of these stages I think Lana planned to play chess with the Luthors. She planned to save Lex from himself by beating him at his own game. And she has a strategically powerful position... she's at is side... and possibly... in his bed. He does have a bit of a weak spot when it comes to Lana.

Of course, after Static I lost all hope of this and felt that Lana was just clinging onto Lex like a life raft to the point that she would praise 33.1. However, after this episode I'm going back to my original theory, Lana has a plan and she's playing chess.

In Static, looking back, Chloe's doubts about Lex's honesty got to her. Her comments about 33.1... Lana was playing Lex to discover the location of 33.1. When he said, "I have something to show you," I think Lana really thought he was going to give her the location of 33.1. This may have played itself out similarly to the piece of the Black Ship. I'm sure Lex hasn't forgotten about that and so... will probably try to keep 33.1 from Lana at all costs.

In Subterranean she's playing Lex again quite masterfully. I'm sure he sees it as a possibility but the way Lana did it was so perfect that he had to play along. After Lana's comment about money being power (LOL!) and the silly blouse she was wearing I thought this scene was going to be DUMB. But then having disarmed Lex and put him in loving protector mode with her naivete, Lana whipped out the headline about the migrant workers. This was wonderful! A wonderful Lana moment IMO! She didn't accuse Lex. She didn't badger Lex. She didn't annoyingly whine about secrets and lies. Lex sent her out of town and there was no reason to know that Lana was even keeping tabs on Lex!!! (oh I'm really excited about this). Then BAM!

She whips that article out! And because of the way she did it... Lex complies. She turns the events of this episode completely around from the POV of Lexcorp. Lex didn't give a damn about those immigrants. They would have gone back to Mexico. But Lana wielded her at-Lex's-side power masterfully.

And when I think about it, Lana's in a position to save the day in a way almost rivals Clark. She can use Lex's power to do the selfless things that he never would do, and even find the silver lining of his evil schemes... and she can even subtly and gently subvert them. She's playing a dangerous game. And all the scary music foreshadows that her plan and possibly her pregnancy is ultimately doomed... Maybe even Lana is doomed. I hope she can escape with her life though... but who knows?

I don't think Lana's an enemy to Lex. I think she thinks he's his own worst enemy... which is true. So when she fights him... I think she's fighting the side of him that she feels is evil.

It may be that I'm giving tptb of Smallville WAY to much credit and Lana's just bad when they want, then good when they want. And it may be that Lana is becoming Lex's enemy in a traitorous duplicitous way (aka what terra said). And being a traitor to evil isn't really all that bad. It's just that she couldn't always have hated him because of Wither... and I think it's to easy to just have Lana hate Lex. It's more interesting if her feelings are more complex. IMO.

But things are actually coming together for me and I'm starting to see continuity. So once again I'm more hopeful about Lana's journey in Season 6.

Lana taking initiative is good. :D

[Mysticlies]

ginnyfan I completely agree with you.

[ginnyfan]

Oh... I thought of something else!!!

When Lana plays Lex to find out where 33.1 is... it's possible that Lex is playing along.

It's almost like the subtext of the scene is...

Lana: I love you and I want you to be completely open with me. Tell me where 33.1 is. I'll support you. Don't hide it from me.

Lex: OK. I'll be completely open with you if you'll completely tie yourself to me. Marry me and you can have the key to all my secrets.

So... Lana is faced with a choice. Is she going to raise her game? As Lex's wife she'd have even more at-Lex's-side power... but she'd be bound even more closely to Lex. Baby or not... she can still walk away. But once she's married to him... he's got more power over her. So...

Who knows if that's what's happening... but it sure is fun. :)

[Fly by guy]

^^^Ginnyfan
I like your theories and I hope they are close to right. But remember that it is hard to play a Player. Lana's influence on Lex only goes as far as he allows and as long as he can keep his secrets. Lex has a superiority complex and I am still surprised that he wants someone as unsophisticated as Lana.
Lana has the opportunity and the physical and mental position to aid or derail Lex's plans. What she does in the next few episodes I think will determine where her character goes toward rectifying her past mistakes or continuing off the deep end.
SV fans can be harsh but also forgiving. Just look at Chloe's history with Lionel.

[ginnyfan]

I agree that she's playing a dangerous game and not likely to win. Lex has definitely thought about his relationship with Lana from every angle and she only has as much power as he chooses to give her.

I think his initial attraction to Lana has more to do with Clark than Lana! LOL!

[Honey45]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yes, I hope so...
'Just imagine what we can do with it [power]...'
<SHIVERS.>
:eek:


Lana actually said "Money is power. Imagine all the good we can do in the world."

[boogiebear]

Originally posted by HeddyH
Lana actually said "Money is power. Imagine all the good we can do in the world."

When she said that it made me shiver. I remembered being told that money seduces the most innocent into evil. I don't remember where I heard it but it sure came back to me at that moment.

[blueville]

ginnyfan, I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what I thought. But I couldn't explain well.. Well, I'm not good at analyzing something.. I think you're good at it.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I voted: "Lana isn't going to be evil what are you talking about?"

Just hear me out.

Lana, for some reason, loves Lex. Or even if she doesn't love him she's grown to have feelings for him that she wanted to explore (Vessel). Then, I think, Lana was hopeful that something good... that Lexana could be good and so took a chance with Lex (Wither). Then she started to lose her faith in Lexana and was ready to walk away... but found out that she was pregnant.

Through all of these stages I think Lana planned to play chess with the Luthors. She planned to save Lex from himself by beating him at his own game. And she has a strategically powerful position... she's at is side... and possibly... in his bed. He does have a bit of a weak spot when it comes to Lana.

Of course, after Static I lost all hope of this and felt that Lana was just clinging onto Lex like a life raft to the point that she would praise 33.1. However, after this episode I'm going back to my original theory, Lana has a plan and she's playing chess.

In Static, looking back, Chloe's doubts about Lex's honesty got to her. Her comments about 33.1... Lana was playing Lex to discover the location of 33.1. When he said, "I have something to show you," I think Lana really thought he was going to give her the location of 33.1. This may have played itself out similarly to the piece of the Black Ship. I'm sure Lex hasn't forgotten about that and so... will probably try to keep 33.1 from Lana at all costs.

In Subterranean she's playing Lex again quite masterfully. I'm sure he sees it as a possibility but the way Lana did it was so perfect that he had to play along. After Lana's comment about money being power (LOL!) and the silly blouse she was wearing I thought this scene was going to be DUMB. But then having disarmed Lex and put him in loving protector mode with her naivete, Lana whipped out the headline about the migrant workers. This was wonderful! A wonderful Lana moment IMO! She didn't accuse Lex. She didn't badger Lex. She didn't annoyingly whine about secrets and lies. Lex sent her out of town and there was no reason to know that Lana was even keeping tabs on Lex!!! (oh I'm really excited about this). Then BAM!

She whips that article out! And because of the way she did it... Lex complies. She turns the events of this episode completely around from the POV of Lexcorp. Lex didn't give a damn about those immigrants. They would have gone back to Mexico. But Lana wielded her at-Lex's-side power masterfully.

And when I think about it, Lana's in a position to save the day in a way almost rivals Clark. She can use Lex's power to do the selfless things that he never would do, and even find the silver lining of his evil schemes... and she can even subtly and gently subvert them. She's playing a dangerous game. And all the scary music foreshadows that her plan and possibly her pregnancy is ultimately doomed... Maybe even Lana is doomed. I hope she can escape with her life though... but who knows?

I don't think Lana's an enemy to Lex. I think she thinks he's his own worst enemy... which is true. So when she fights him... I think she's fighting the side of him that she feels is evil.

It may be that I'm giving tptb of Smallville WAY to much credit and Lana's just bad when they want, then good when they want. And it may be that Lana is becoming Lex's enemy in a traitorous duplicitous way (aka what terra said). And being a traitor to evil isn't really all that bad. It's just that she couldn't always have hated him because of Wither... and I think it's to easy to just have Lana hate Lex. It's more interesting if her feelings are more complex. IMO.

But things are actually coming together for me and I'm starting to see continuity. So once again I'm more hopeful about Lana's journey in Season 6.

Lana taking initiative is good. :D

You made Lana seem like a character that we could sympathize with. Kudos for you, ginnyfan.

If indeed Lana is playing chess with Lex, I think she's way in over her head. It's commendable but incredibly naive (maybe she's really in love with Lex that's why she wants to "save" him. Still naive, though). If ever, Lana's downfall would be the overestimation of her influence over Lex. Because if Lex were given a choice between love or power, I think Lex would choose power.

[RMF]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Through all of these stages I think Lana planned to play chess with the Luthors. She planned to save Lex from himself by beating him at his own game. And she has a strategically powerful position... she's at is side... and possibly... in his bed. He does have a bit of a weak spot when it comes to Lana.
...
And when I think about it, Lana's in a position to save the day in a way almost rivals Clark. She can use Lex's power to do the selfless things that he never would do, and even find the silver lining of his evil schemes... and she can even subtly and gently subvert them. She's playing a dangerous game. And all the scary music foreshadows that her plan and possibly her pregnancy is ultimately doomed... Maybe even Lana is doomed. I hope she can escape with her life though... but who knows?
Seems unnecessarily convoluted and dangerous as well as a bit cruel. When Clark thought that Lex was on the wrong path, he just...told him. And darned if it didn't work many times, at least back when they were still friends. In your scenario, Lana has become Lex's lover in order to betray him stealthily and repeatedly, supposedly for his own good. I don't know of anyone who would appreciate that. And quite honestly, if the guy's that much of a fixer-upper, what's the dang point in the end?

I think she's just somebody who is seeking comfort, attention, and status, and is willing to overlook or rationalize anything she has to rather than have her world turned upside down again.

[kickarse]

That's because he's the only one that'll give her the time of day... spoiled bratt...

[kismet]

wow ginnyfan! What a fantastic post! How wonderful it would be if this was the writers intention for Lana all along! I hope this analysis proves to be true!!

[nanook7112]

I really hope that lana is really playing chess with lex as ginnyfan put it but i really don't think TpTb are that smart to think of something like that out. But, if it were true then my respect for lana would slightly increase.

[ginnyfan]

Thanks guys! :)


Originally posted by RMF
Seems unnecessarily convoluted and dangerous as well as a bit cruel. When Clark thought that Lex was on the wrong path, he just...told him. And darned if it didn't work many times, at least back when they were still friends. In your scenario, Lana has become Lex's lover in order to betray him stealthily and repeatedly, supposedly for his own good. I don't know of anyone who would appreciate that. And quite honestly, if the guy's that much of a fixer-upper, what's the dang point in the end?

I think she's just somebody who is seeking comfort, attention, and status, and is willing to overlook or rationalize anything she has to rather than have her world turned upside down again.

No I don't think she BECAME his lover in order to save him from himself. But she became his lover because she... fell in love with him or at least started to have feelings for him that she wanted to explore.

However, it's like Lex and Lana said in... I don't remember which episode. They are both fighting their better judgement to be with each other. I think of it from Lana's POV as though she were with someone that has a drug problem or something... She cares for him and in that sense wants to rescue him. The plan came after the relationship. In other words.

It is a bit convoluted but then again, so is the Luther family. So...

May not be happening this way but I have fun reading into everything. Otherwise Lexana would just be boring and distasteful to me. :)


Originally posted by ShelbyKent

If indeed Lana is playing chess with Lex, I think she's way in over her head. It's commendable but incredibly naive (maybe she's really in love with Lex that's why she wants to "save" him. Still naive, though). If ever, Lana's downfall would be the overestimation of her influence over Lex. Because if Lex were given a choice between love or power, I think Lex would choose power.

I agree. Poor Lana will find this out the hard way. :(

[silverfist]

When I entered this thread I would have just said Lana is extremely dumb and naive. But after reading your posts ginnyfan, it makes sense if she is somewhat playing with Lex. Her relationship is probably a mix of real feelings and games, and I hope you are right so Lana doesn't turn out to be a very flat character.

[xrayvision]

It would be cool if she was playing a game with Lex, but if she is, it is a dangerous game as Lex told Chloe on several occasions.

[Joe Bob]

I think TPTB are perverse enough to mimic the Lionel & Lillian & Lex relationship.

Lex and Lana will marry, have the baby, Lana will start to hate Lex and the way he is raising the baby (similar to how Lillian disapproved of how Lionel treated Lex), Lana is going to die, then Lex will kill Lionel (just as Lionel killed his parents).

Guarantee the ptb will take this route. They are too addicted to their own crappy, elseworld mythology to miss an opportunity to compliment themselves.

[ginnyfan]

^I thought about a parallel with Lillian and it grossed me out... but you're right... that's something they could do with Lexana. *shudders*

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
^I thought about a parallel with Lillian and it grossed me out... but you're right... that's something they could do with Lexana. *shudders*

Seriously, I'm so positive, I'm willing to bet my Smallville dvd collection---oh wait a minute, I think I've already burned those.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I dunno and don't care. I would like Lionel to pop caps in both their asses and become the Lex of this show. He is the bad-ass.

here, here, lol :lol:

[superman's my hero]

As much as I love Clana and stuff, I can't see them being "together" again. My theory is, Lana is going to lose the baby and her and Lex won't get married. My guess would be, Lana loses the baby and Lex sees no use for having her around anymore. It's sick, but possibly true?

[sherry]

die lana die! lol

yeah i guess she could take the route joe bob's suggesting.
that wud be the final straw for smallville...cancel! cancel! cancel! hurrah!
duh! i don't know how i feel about smallville anymore.

"They are too addicted to their own crappy, elseworld mythology to miss an opportunity to compliment themselves"--joe bob

--i cud not agree more! too true.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by sherry
die lana die! lol

yeah i guess she could take the route joe bob's suggesting.
that wud be the final straw for smallville...cancel! cancel! cancel! hurrah!
duh! i don't know how i feel about smallville anymore.

"They are too addicted to their own crappy, elseworld mythology to miss an opportunity to compliment themselves"--joe bob

--i cud not agree more! too true.

ditto

[deanfromuk]

She's not evil just getting more manipulative and sneaky to achieve her own ends.
Season 7 will be about the Clark-Lana-Lois love triangle so that spells bad news for Lex.She's going to betray him big time and shift her loyalty back to Clark.No baby and no marriage!

[Dangerous George]

Please no!

[GooN]

i can't see Lex and Lana being happily married with a kid......something will happen..

But Lana is just having the badness of the baldy + the bad break-up with Clark make her something she is not, she'll go back to being the nice girl soon enough.

[ginnyfan]

I think stress will make Lana lose the baby and she'll become emotionally distant from Lex. They won't marry and if a scenario comes up in which she has to choose between loyalty to Lex and protecting Clark, she'll betray Lex to protect Clark and that could lead into Clana friendship. That's my hope anyway. I wish there was some way for Lana to get away from Lex AND keep the baby. But ain't no way Lex is going to reform (LOL!) and if Lana had his child, he'd NEVER let her go. He'd lock her up first.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
. . . and that could lead into Clana friendship. That's my hope anyway.

Are you kidding? She is saturated with wolverine piss - no one will touch her now. Look in Lex's past relationships - all his women ended badly: dead, busted, burnt,
. . .she's toast! Which no doubt will be the final nail in the coffin of the Lex / Clark friendship dynamic which is so predictable. yawn....

ginnyfan, didn't know you were a clana?


peace

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by Dangerous George

ginnyfan, didn't know you were a clana?


peace

LOL! I am intensely a Cloiser!!!

When I first watched seasons 1 thru 3 I wasn't really a shipper, hated Clana and preferred Chlark to Clana.

Then Lois was introduced and I became a Cloiser/Clana hater.

*whispers glancing around for other Cloisers*

After Clana ended in Season 5, I rewatched Seasons 1 and 2 and 5 and... I don't know what happened. I just became more Clana friendly. I discovered Cardinal... I do despise Clana for the most part and I'm glad its over... but occasionally... I'm closet Clana.

*hides*

I'd like them to be friends. I don't (often) wish Lana were dead. I was hopeful for a little Lexana bliss. Those two deserve to be a little happy before doom arrives.

[Dangerous George]

:lol: :lol: too funny :lol: :lol: better watch out . . . it's growing on yuh. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ginnyfan]

:lol: heeheehee