Clark was the *man* in this episode!

[khufu]

I can't believe no one has started a Clark thread yet! I love how proactive and concerned he was in this episode. He is definitely beginning to see saving/helping people as his job. It was great to see him taking the initiative and doing pretty much everything by himself. And his confrontation with Martha? AWESOME. They had a very genuine argument, but it was not disrespectful or anything. Clark merely let Martha know that he needed to help out - he put his foot down and that was great to see. And their scene at the end really brings them back together in a very heartfelt way.

I also love that Clark and Lex don't even pretent anymore - they don't like each other, period! And they have no problems with telling each other that.

And of course, the few Clark/Jimmy scenes we got were also enjoyable - especially that last one! Hillarious.

[kazek]

Jimmy really acts young.... Shocks me most of the time with all that girlfriend talk. And Lana is too naive. She totally knows nothing. I love that this episode was mostly dedicated to Clark and the Superman development.

[MidgardDragon]

I think more important than him being "the" man in this episode is the fact that he acted like *a* man. He was very grown up.

[warriorrenegade]

Well put ^^^.

[milton fine]

i absolutly agree superman isnt all about powers its his heart its that he cares for all beings form all walks of life and dosent try to be supeiror to any one just becuse hes powerful which is what lex would do.

[khufu]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I think more important than him being "the" man in this episode is the fact that he acted like *a* man. He was very grown up. Yeah that's what I like so much about the Clark/Martha scene in the beginning - he was man of the house there :) Don't get me wrong, I love Martha, but Clark felt that he needed to do this and so he just put his foot down (respecfully or course).

I truely didn't even care about the Moleman - that wasn't what I was looking for tonight. So the fact that that plot was just... meh.... really didn't bother me one bit. The heroic!Clark, evil!Lex, and Clark/Jimmy was more than enough.

And warriorrenegade, delicious icon :)

[chlarklove]

*squishes Clark* I loved Clark in this episode. He acted growed up and Supermanly.

One of the reasons why I really enjoyed this episode. I fear I'm in the minority though. But I also kinda enjoyed Static too. :p

Where's BadToad? She's going to be pleased! :D

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by chlarklove
*squishes Clark* I loved Clark in this episode. He acted growed up and Supermanly.

One of the reasons why I really enjoyed this episode. I fear I'm in the minority though. But I also kinda enjoyed Static too. :p

Where's BadToad? She's going to be pleased! :D


You're not in the minority according to the ratings thread. The people who didn't like the episode are just speaking up more than those that enjoyed it, apparently. Either that, or people don't understand that 6+ ratings mean the episode was above average or better. :P

[warriorrenegade]

Well some people can't count. Wheres Mister Rogers when you need him? This episode was all character and thats what made it work.

And Khufu Thanks:cool:

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by khufu
I can't believe no one has started a Clark thread yet! I love how proactive and concerned he was in this episode. He is definitely beginning to see saving/helping people as his job. It was great to see him taking the initiative and doing pretty much everything by himself. And his confrontation with Martha? AWESOME. They had a very genuine argument, but it was not disrespectful or anything. Clark merely let Martha know that he needed to help out - he put his foot down and that was great to see. And their scene at the end really brings them back together in a very heartfelt way.

I also love that Clark and Lex don't even pretent anymore - they don't like each other, period! And they have no problems with telling each other that.

And of course, the few Clark/Jimmy scenes we got were also enjoyable - especially that last one! Hillarious.
I agree I think tonight(Besides Zod)was the first clex scene I like they've had all season.It wasn't about lana yet they make it clear they r at odds,plus clark scene wit martha really told alot.He is growin into bein a man,and definitely the man of the house now.Him not backin down even tho martha told him there were others ways to go about it,was good imo.It shows that he knows he had the power to help this boy and refuse to sit and watch others not make it a priority.His interactions wit jimmy was good tonight as well,clark tonight really was good.But then again after lil clark this season(Espcially static)this was well needed

[spideyfan]

Clark was the man. I am glad to see him start taking the protector role.

What did it for me was "I think I did it for him" or something like that. Man, CK is getting back on my list

[BadToad]

Where's BadToad? She's going to be pleased!

Here! Here! How awesome was my guy tonight? He was kind, he was compassionate, he was smart, he was forceful, he was strong in his convictions, he was thoughtful there at the end, and he was hilarious with his reactions to Jimmy.

This was a great Clark episode, and I thought a solid episode all around. Not the best, but not terrible (Static was terrible).

And I really liked how he handled the scene with Lana. Just the right tone. Concern, but not puppy dog mushiness. And he told her straight, "your boyfriend is a scumbag".

Loved my guy tonight. He totally rocks! :D

[lexs&os]

It was so refreshing to see Clark tonight - nice Clarkcentric episode and a great stepping stone for him - nice rounding out/shapping up of Superman. Clark is becoming more comfortable in his skin and it's "bout flipping time! I really liked how he handled both Lana and Lex tonight and ya know, the Clark/Jimmy scenes were funny too, yet rewarding to see Jimmy taking his pictures and Clark investigating and stepping up.

[Charissa70]

Yeah, it was just too bad that Martha was gone in the end. Like she couldn't walk in at the end and say something that sponoring the family was the least that Luthorcorp could do since Lex was like totally involved. We need someone else to back Clark on the Lex is a lying, immoral jerk. The most we get is Chloe saying that she is not a fan of him.

[myankskent]

Definitely an awesome Clark episode. I would've loved to see him bust out from underneath the ground in that scene, but I guess TPTB are saving the budget for Justice.

[LoisL]

really good to see a Clark-centric episode. he's back!

[quietone]

Clark was giving off this cool, confident vibe that I just loved. It's so good to see him maturing and TW pulls it off so well.

[wraith808]

The only thing I didn't like was him finding out that Lexcorp had bought the farm, and jumping to the conclusion that Lex had something to do with what was going on. I mean, sure, he did... but barging in and telling him that "I know what you did, and I told the sherrif." Not cool. Get some evidence of a hard connection to Lex, and not the company, first. It would seem that he should have learned that by now...

[Theshadow129x]

yea i thought this was acutally a good episode because clark was the main focus. and barely any lana but also it pushed clark forward in making him more mature.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by Charissa70
Yeah, it was just too bad that Martha was gone in the end. Like she couldn't walk in at the end and say something that sponoring the family was the least that Luthorcorp could do since Lex was like totally involved. We need someone else to back Clark on the Lex is a lying, immoral jerk. The most we get is Chloe saying that she is not a fan of him.

You know, I've thought about this a lot, and I actually LIKE when Clark has to go it on his own against Lex. One of the most intriguing aspects of canon Lex is that the world doesn't realize how evil he is (at least, until relatively recently). Lex and Clark are so similar, but so different. They both possess unimaginable power. They both have secret identities. I really see their conflict as a private one, so I enjoy it when Lex is able to convince the world that he is good (or at least neutral). It's a shame that Lex has been so accepted as untrustworthy in the past, because now it's so out of character when Clark ends up the only one willing to call a spade a spade.


Originally posted by wraith808
The only thing I didn't like was him finding out that Lexcorp had bought the farm, and jumping to the conclusion that Lex had something to do with what was going on. I mean, sure, he did... but barging in and telling him that "I know what you did, and I told the sherrif." Not cool. Get some evidence of a hard connection to Lex, and not the company, first. It would seem that he should have learned that by now...

You're definitely right in calling it not cool. It's also not smart. What did Clark gain? Nothing. What did Lex gain? A whole lot. Clark basically walked in, filled Lex in on how far along he was in his investigation of shady-LuthorCorp-experiment Number 243i245982, then left. I was surprised there were even bodies there when the cops showed up, I figured Lex was going to swoop in and sterilize the whole scene due to the information Clark had given him.

Overall, I agree with the majority, that this was a GREAT Clark being Superman episode. But that just wasn't a bright thing to do.

[LuthorRequiem2]

Yes, Clark really is showing how Supermanly he's become, and Welling is really playing it well. Sure, he's still not Superman yet, but he's getting really close, just as Lex is getting really close to LEX LUTHOR, the villain of the story. I loved the Clex interaction. This scene really felt like one out of season five. It was about good vs. evil, hero vs. villain, not about two guys fighting over a girl. I LOVED that. I loved the scenes between Clark and Martha as well. Clark put his foot down, but did it respectfully, and Martha clearly respected his resolve to do what he thought was right. I just loved how Martha helped in the end, because that is true to her character: she cares unflinchingly for others, just like Clark, but she just believed in a different way of doing it. This made for some intriguing drama, and I loved how the two reunited again at the end, with Martha's, "When dealing with someone extraordinary, you have to take extraordinary measures to help them. I learned that from my son," or something like that speech. I also enjoyed the Chloe and Clark moments, and the Jimmy moments too. He's really acting like the Jimmy Olsen of the comics, which I enjoy. I loved Chloe's line to Clark, "Nobody helps the world more than you do." That was so touching, and yet again reaffirms that Chloe is Clark's best friend and always will be. The allegory with Clark being an immigrant was interesting and touchingly portrayed by Welling. I even didn't mind Lana too much in this one. I liked that Clark stood up to her, and even though she was offended, she didn't seem to be TOO angry, which was good. I also like that Lana is so naively believing Lex will want to help the world with his power. It's a cool twist and shows that Lana still is a good person at heart, even though she's oblivious to the fact that Lex IS NOT. And I LOVED the final shots. How truly eerie, creepy, villainous, and symbolic. This was "THE RISE OF LEX LUTHOR" coming into play, as Al and Miles promised us. Fantastic! The director of this episode should be proud.

PS: I was also impressed with the beginning. The way it was shot actually frigthtened me, and "Smallville" episodes don't always get that truly eerie effect all the time. Great stuff!

[LoisL]

the thing i find weird about no one supporting clark's anti-lex crusade is that for all those years of friendship clark had to fight against his parent's bad opinion of lex, didn't he? *scratches head*

[LuthorRequiem2]

"You know, I've thought about this a lot, and I actually LIKE when Clark has to go it on his own against Lex. One of the most intriguing aspects of canon Lex is that the world doesn't realize how evil he is (at least, until relatively recently). Lex and Clark are so similar, but so different. They both possess unimaginable power. They both have secret identities. I really see their conflict as a private one, so I enjoy it when Lex is able to convince the world that he is good (or at least neutral)."
Extremely well put! That's really an intriguing aspect of their emnity, one which I love to see and hope that they will show more and more often on the show.

[gogeta]

I loved that Clark was proactive and stood his ground against Martha's wishes. I hope we continue to see clark like this through out the season.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"the thing i find weird about no one supporting clark's anti-lex crusade is that for all those years of friendship clark had to fight against his parent's bad opinion of lex, didn't he? *scratches head*"

Yes, but it was moslty Jonathan's cynicism towards Lex, not Martha. With Jonathan out of the show, Clark's the only one who continues to voice his opinion on just how bad Lex really is. Martha may feel that way, but may be unsure. I think since Clark knows Lex so well, he knows when he is lying and knows that Lex is becoming "Segeeth". (By the way, wouldn't it be cool for Clark to mention that legend on the cave wall again? Naman Vs. Seegeeth? I think that's a part of why Clark stopped trusting Lex, and so it'd be cool if it came into play again).

[LoisL]

yeah, that would be cool if they brought back the naman vs. seegeeth topic. or, you know, cain vs. abel. :D

hmm, that explains it. i guess johnathan kent's death really cleared the path of the Luthors. *thinks of Mionel and growls*

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I totally agree.
Finally a Clark-centered epi where he takes the initiative...
BRAVO!!!

[s_q]

can someone answer this: Clark arrived on earth when he was 5, he said 17 years ago when he came to earth as an lllegal immigrant makes him 23??
or was it that he was3 years old when he arrived?

[Son of Kal-El20]

Clark was awesome. He was very mature tonight and started taking more steps to becoming Supe. If I could give this episode another name, it would've been 'CLARK RETURNS'.

[Antithesis]

Originally posted by s_q
can someone answer this: Clark arrived on earth when he was 5, he said 17 years ago when he came to earth as an lllegal immigrant makes him 23??
or was it that he was3 years old when he arrived?

I don't remember whate age they said he was when he first arrived, but three sound more right to me. Even if he was five it would make him 22 now, but I get your point.

Anyway, I did really like Clark in this one. He definately is becoming Superman.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Antithesis
Anyway, I did really like Clark in this one. He definately is becoming Superman.
I agree.
Today was one of his better days...

[kazek]

Originally posted by myankskent
Definitely an awesome Clark episode. I would've loved to see him bust out from underneath the ground in that scene, but I guess TPTB are saving the budget for Justice.

If you are looking for some exciting scenes in terms of super powers you ought to watch the new Series Heroes.... Its way better than Smallville by a mile (that is when it comes to individuals using their powers)

[LuthorRequiem2]

"
yeah, that would be cool if they brought back the naman vs. seegeeth topic. or, you know, cain vs. abel.

hmm, that explains it. i guess johnathan kent's death really cleared the path of the Luthors. *thinks of Mionel and growls*"

Yeah, bringing in Biblical allegory like Cain and Abel would be fantastic. Bible allegories are so awesome.

And yeah, Jonathan's death helped to clear the path for the Luthors a bit. As you said, Mionel. Lol. :)

[Rachel B]

I really liked Clark in this one. Now if only the writers could keep this up for the rest of the season.....

[bookworm1999]

Thank you! Although the topic of immigration may not have been the smartest route to go (to touchy, too many opinions) It showed a Clark that was concerned for someone outside his circle of family and friends and realizing that there are world issues he can actually help or alliviate if he put his mind to it. I loved the fact that Lana is becoming second place in the rift between Clark and Lex. And Lex is becoming evil, no matter what. I love that! A tiger can't change his stripes for spots no matter how much he is loved.

I loved Clark in this episode, maybe next time he'll look for someone to help, that would be the next step.

[chlarkfan333]

I loved Clark in this episode. Standing up and doing the right thing. Goes to show you that we don't need extraneous characters to pull of a decent show. Even Chloe was peripheral to the story. All good things. I can't see how anyone can complain about Clark in this episode.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by kazek
If you are looking for some exciting scenes in terms of super powers you ought to watch the new Series Heroes.... Its way better than Smallville by a mile (that is when it comes to individuals using their powers)

I hear it's good, but I have a major conflict with that show once 24 starts in January. I still think that Smallville is good with the effects, they just can't put stellar effects into every episode.

[98chase]

Originally posted by chlarklove
*squishes Clark* I loved Clark in this episode. He acted growed up and Supermanly.

One of the reasons why I really enjoyed this episode. I fear I'm in the minority though. But I also kinda enjoyed Static too. :p

Where's BadToad? She's going to be pleased! :D
You're not alone. I can't honestly say that I've disliked one episode yet this year. They have all served their purpose.

Everyone, lets not forget that Ollie saying "If the end justifies the means."

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by s_q
can someone answer this: Clark arrived on earth when he was 5, he said 17 years ago when he came to earth as an lllegal immigrant makes him 23??
or was it that he was3 years old when he arrived?

17 and 5 is 22, which wouldn't be too far off. I was 16 as a Freshman in high school; Clark would have had to be 17, which is indeed a bit old, but only a year or so. He also could have been 3.

[Metallo74]

Yeah, I thought that Tom Welling did a really good job in Subterranean. For the first time I really noticed how much growing Clark has done/is doing. The scene with Jimmy and Clark really brought that into perspective well. To me, Jimy is acting like a self-conscious 20 year old, and Clark is acting like a 20 year old who has seen some pretty crazy stuff in the last while that has forced him to mature at a faster rate. I thought that was really cool. The only thing stretching the beleivability is why Chloe, who has also been through a ton of crap, would be with such a naive geek like Jimmy.

[s_q]

Originally posted by TampaVille
17 and 5 is 22, which wouldn't be too far off. I was 16 as a Freshman in high school; Clark would have had to be 17, which is indeed a bit old, but only a year or so. He also could have been 3.

yeah i meant 22, 23 was a typo. Unless you think im mathematically challenged?? DO U NOW?? heh, j/k.

neways, i was 14 as a freshman in my highschool. grade 9 = 14 in north america as far as I know. My highschool was of 13 grades so when i got to uni I was 18 almost turning 19. Anyways considering Clark did one semester of uni then had to drop out coz of jonathens death. Then the school closed, so 2 years has been wasted in other words for his uni. That should make him about 20 right now if he came 17 years ago and at the age of 3. Basically hell start his uni when hes 21 and be 25 by the time hes done?

But does he actually finish his uni in mythos? coz as far as i know he goes to FOS and comes out after 12 years not aged at all. But he never completed his uni degree or anything.

[khufu]

Originally posted by bookworm1999
Thank you! Although the topic of immigration may not have been the smartest route to go (to touchy, too many opinions) It showed a Clark that was concerned for someone outside his circle of family and friends and realizing that there are world issues he can actually help or alliviate if he put his mind to it.Yeah I definitely understand why some people would rather have avoided this issue, but I think it takes an issue like this to really address certain aspects of Clark's development. If the guy was not an illegal immigrant, then there really would have been no choice - help the guy, period. So I think the fact that helping out in this situation meant breaking a law that Martha was very concerned about upholding it meant that Clark had to prioritize his obligations. In this case, they highlight the fact that he places the wellfare of other human beings at the top of his list, and that's why it seemed so "Supermanly". But without that conflict, it just seems like a no-brainer to help the guy and doesn't really get the point across as effectively. That was my take at least...

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by khufu
Yeah I definitely understand why some people would rather have avoided this issue, but I think it takes an issue like this to really address certain aspects of Clark's development. If the guy was not an illegal immigrant, then there really would have been no choice - help the guy, period. So I think the fact that helping out in this situation meant breaking a law that Martha was very concerned about upholding it meant that Clark had to prioritize his obligations. In this case, they highlight the fact that he places the wellfare of other human beings at the top of his list, and that's why it seemed so "Supermanly". But without that conflict, it just seems like a no-brainer to help the guy and doesn't really get the point across as effectively. That was my take at least...

I might be in the minority, but I'm glad they tackled the issue. They didn't take sides, they showed the valid points on both sides of the issue. The deputy pointed out that his parents came to this country legally, so why should he make exceptions for others? At the same time, it was shown how Clark had to ignore that law temporarily in order to solve the bigger problem of slavery that was going on. I thought it was really great, more in the theme of the old Adventures of Superman, where the show really was about Superman fighting real world problems.

I'd have preferred even more if there was no meteor freak in this episode, I didn't think that was even necessary. Nonetheless, I liked how they handled it.

[Ilovebeinglost]

He is a man now. From watching season one again I can see how much he's grown as a person and actor too

I loved the way he said " Javier" wonder if he had to practice it much.

I love every episode so far this season

so is Javier going to ne on again?

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
so is Javier going to ne on again?

I rather doubt it. While it could be fun, I imagine there would be much better ways to go about achieving whatever purpose his character would serve.

I did like him in the episode though, and Clark's actions towards him were perfect Superman.

[wolverine316]

Originally posted by Metallo74
The scene with Jimmy and Clark really brought that into perspective well. To me, Jimy is acting like a self-conscious 20 year old, and Clark is acting like a 20 year old who has seen some pretty crazy stuff in the last while that has forced him to mature at a faster rate. I thought that was really cool. The only thing stretching the beleivability is why Chloe, who has also been through a ton of crap, would be with such a naive geek like Jimmy.

I am still scratching my head on that one. Jimmy's insecurities is getting annoying. I love the fact that Jimmy feels Clark hates him. News Flash!! Clark barely notices you are there. Every scene that Chloe and Jimmy are in it looks like she is just humoring him. The girl can do waaaaaay better!!

[98chase]

Originally posted by s_q
yeah i meant 22, 23 was a typo. Unless you think im mathematically challenged?? DO U NOW?? heh, j/k.

neways, i was 14 as a freshman in my highschool. grade 9 = 14 in north america as far as I know. My highschool was of 13 grades so when i got to uni I was 18 almost turning 19. Anyways considering Clark did one semester of uni then had to drop out coz of jonathens death. Then the school closed, so 2 years has been wasted in other words for his uni. That should make him about 20 right now if he came 17 years ago and at the age of 3. Basically hell start his uni when hes 21 and be 25 by the time hes done?

But does he actually finish his uni in mythos? coz as far as i know he goes to FOS and comes out after 12 years not aged at all. But he never completed his uni degree or anything.
I don't know if the issues been solved in this thread yet or not (I haven't read it all). But, I just got done reading an interview that Al gave before the show even aired. He said that the ship lands and a 3 year old Clark is seen walking. It then jumps 12 years and we see him in high school. So, that would put Clark at 15 years old as a freshman, 21 years old now.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by kazek
If you are looking for some exciting scenes in terms of super powers you ought to watch the new Series Heroes.... Its way better than Smallville by a mile (that is when it comes to individuals using their powers)

This is a disgrace. We shouldn't have to resort to other shows to get our fix of superpowers & super fights. Thanks to TPTB who only wanna show soap opera stuff. A show about Superman should be kicking the ass of a show about a bunch of heroes that were just created and have no extensive history like the 76 year history of Superman.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
This is a disgrace. We shouldn't have to resort to other shows to get our fix of superpowers & super fights. Thanks to TPTB who only wanna show soap opera stuff. A show about Superman should be kicking the ass of a show about a bunch of heroes that were just created and have no extensive history like the 76 year history of Superman.

I'm with you on this. I just don't understand why they can't build a few walls for guys to come flying into and show us a decent fight. Nobody said that you have to show a guy getting lauched 100 feet into the air, just have Clark fire a guy through a wall with a cool sound effect. That would suffice. When you don't have a lot of money, you need to get creative rather than simply shortening all of the fights.

[98chase]

KryptonSite Interview #1 With Smallville
Executive Producer Alfred Gough (April 6, 2001)

AG: "Not really, we got a call from Peter Roth, who is the president of Warner Bros. TV, and he said he wanted to do a show about young Clark Kent. We were intrigued, but also had reservations. We weren’t interesting in doing Superboy, we wanted to do something that was cool and character driven. Unlike, say, Batman, Superman has always been the goody two shoes of super-heroes. We wanted our Clark Kent to have angst and edge, without losing the essence of who he grows up to be. That’s why in the series Clark doesn’t wear the suit, doesn’t wear glasses and can’t fly. "

AG: "It's along those lines, but it's not as specific because that's really only about demons and things like that. Our stories are more bizarre and offbeat, more X-Files than Buffy. We are also very much a relationship show. For example, we’ve got a whole new take on Lex Luthor. He's in his early 20’s and he's been sent to Smallville to run a division of his father's company. In the pilot you see him befriend Clark. It’s an intriguing relationship to play with because everyone knows where the story ends, but you’ve never really seen how it started out. I think it will be fun to watch."



AG: "While Lois & Clark has a lot of fans and was a very popular show, we wanted to re-interpret Superman for today and make him more relatable. We’ve humanized him in a way you haven’t seen before. We really wanted to get inside Clark’s head and show that he’s just as vulnerable as any ordinary teenager. This is a kid who's not only going through puberty but is also struggling with his emerging superpowers. "


xrayvision, this is part of an interview with Al Gough BEFORE Smallville ever aired. Maybe you should have read this interview before you got really involved with the show. That way, you would have known all this "soap opera" stuff was going to happen. You would have never followed the series and you would not be upset now. Happy is good, sad is not :)

[xrayvision]

What's going on with the budget? Is this the least amount of $$$ the budget has ever been? They're no longer paying John Schneider, so what's the deal? When he was there, they had so much more money than now. How can the CW cut the budget of its highest rated show so much? TPTB should make a power move and refuse to do a 7th season unless their budget is drastically increased. Heck, Warner Bros owns DC & Smallville, so there should be no problem.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by 98chase
[B]
xrayvision, this is part of an interview with Al Gough BEFORE Smallville ever aired. Maybe you should have read this interview before you got really involved with the show. That way, you would have known all this "soap opera" stuff was going to happen. You would have never followed the series and you would not be upset now. Happy is good, sad is not :)

Hold on just a second. I think that everyone knew that this show was going to be about relationships but since the middle of season 5, it has been more about angst than anything else and that is why I think that xray is frustrated, as am I. I had no problems with the earlier seasons, but I don't like all of this angst at this point in the show.


Originally posted by xrayvision
What's going on with the budget? Is this the least amount of $$$ the budget has ever been? They're no longer paying John Schneider, so what's the deal? When he was there, they had so much more money than now. How can the CW cut the budget of its highest rated show so much? TPTB should make a power move and refuse to do a 7th season unless their budget is drastically increased. Heck, Warner Bros owns DC & Smallville, so there should be no problem.

I think that it's really an issue where the show is getting old and getting more and more expensive to produce. Smallville has always been one of the best shows on television when it comes to the effects but now they don't have the money to do it. If Heroes goes 6 seasons, we'll see how their effects are after that amount of time.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by 98chase
xrayvision, this is part of an interview with Al Gough BEFORE Smallville ever aired. Maybe you should have read this interview before you got really involved with the show. That way, you would have known all this "soap opera" stuff was going to happen. You would have never followed the series and you would not be upset now. Happy is good, sad is not :)

I don't need someone telling me why to watch a show or not. I started late in season 1 and into season 2. If that's how you feel then go tell the same thing to everyone else who watches the show and has shown their disdain for the direction it has taken lately. I realized there was angst in seasons 1-3, but it was well balanced by good stories, drama, and great action scenes. Season 4 had too much filler stuff and horrible arcs that put me off, even though it had gems every now & again (Onyx, Transference, Run, etc). Then season 5 started becoming great again, with a good combo of mythos and some angst. Since Reckoning, the action portion has dropped and the balance that once existed is now gone.

So if angst is such a great thing, they should just make it a complete soap opera instead of teasing us with great fights by having Batista on. Heck, why not put it on in the daytime as well.


Originally posted by myankskent
I think that it's really an issue where the show is getting old and getting more and more expensive to produce. Smallville has always been one of the best shows on television when it comes to the effects but now they don't have the money to do it. If Heroes goes 6 seasons, we'll see how their effects are after that amount of time.

Well, heroes is on NBC, so if they have good ratings I'm sure they'll throw whatever money is needed to fuel it to be all it can be.

[Heilige]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I don't need someone telling me why to watch a show or not. I started late in season 1 and into season 2. If that's how you feel then go tell the same thing to everyone else who watches the show and has shown their disdain for the direction it has taken lately. I realized there was angst in seasons 1-3, but it was well balanced by good stories, drama, and great action scenes. Season 4 had too much filler stuff and horrible arcs that put me off, even though it had gems every now & again (Onyx, Transference, Run, etc). Then season 5 started becoming great again, with a good combo of mythos and some angst. Since Reckoning, the action portion has dropped and the balance that once existed is now gone.

So if angst is such a great thing, they should just make it a complete soap opera instead of teasing us with great fights by having Batista on. Heck, why not put it on in the daytime as well.


Well, heroes is on NBC, so if they have good ratings I'm sure they'll throw whatever money is needed to fuel it to be all it can be.

xrayvision, I sent you a Private Message. I just wanted to make sure you got it.

[xrayvision]

Thank you for editing your post 98chase. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision

So if angst is such a great thing, they should just make it a complete soap opera instead of teasing us with great fights by having Batista on. Heck, why not put it on in the daytime as well.


Totally agree here.



Well, heroes is on NBC, so if they have good ratings I'm sure they'll throw whatever money is needed to fuel it to be all it can be.

Perhaps, but we really haven't seen NBC go that long for a scifi type of show. Chances are NBC would get Heroes off the air before it ran out of money.

[xrayvision]

But they did dump $1 million per actor for some of their past shows. I would think the cost of the effects would pale in comparison, but they would only do this for something that is a sure hit. I heard ABC spent tons of money on Lost (I never watch it anyway).

As for the angst stuff, I'm not saying get rid of it. They should just tone it down where it doesn't shadow something that viewers are looking toward (a fight with a zoner, mythos related stuff- which always has the best ratings, or a story we've been waiting 2 years for--Level 33.1). They need to balance it out. It was ridiculous for them to pay Batista to come on for such little exposure. The zoners episodes are the ones many people are looking towards this season and trumping those episodes with Lexana is going to turn people off this show.

[98chase]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Thank you for editing your post 98chase. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.
Yeah, I hit submit and then realized that my comment was a little too harsh for the situation. So, I tried to edit it as fast as I could. I apologize for all of that.

[xrayvision]

Yeah, no prob. :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
But they did dump $1 million per actor for some of their past shows. I would think the cost of the effects would pale in comparison, but they would only do this for something that is a sure hit. I heard ABC spent tons of money on Lost (I never watch it anyway).


I assume that you are referring to Friends and Seinfeld in terms of them dumping $1 million dollar per actor, but the difference there is that those shows bring in much bigger ratings than Smallville and they had a more lucrative syndication deal. They also aren't big budget special effects shows. Lost did put a ton of money into their show, but if the show doesn't bring in high ratings later on, they will have to go off the air as well because it will get much more expensive to produce.



As for the angst stuff, I'm not saying get rid of it. They should just tone it down where it doesn't shadow something that viewers are looking toward (a fight with a zoner, mythos related stuff- which always has the best ratings, or a story we've been waiting 2 years for--Level 33.1). They need to balance it out. It was ridiculous for them to pay Batista to come on for such little exposure. The zoners episodes are the ones many people are looking towards this season and trumping those episodes with Lexana is going to turn people off this show.

Well I agree. It is a disgrace to bring in Batista and then to go cheap on the special effects for that particular episode. They should've been prepared to spend or else not bring in Batista at all. I mean, they had more effects with plant girl in Wither which was an atrocious episode. Hopefully lexana is on borrowed time right now and we can move on from that because it is destroying the plot to a lot of these episodes. It has also destroyed the Clark/Lex scenes, which are some of the weaker scenes now on Smallville which is unbelievable to say.

[xrayvision]

That Clark-Lex scene would have been great had Clark not brought up Lana. Too bad. I like how Clark doesn't let Lex trash talk at him anymore. All he has left to do is start calling him Luthor, but they better not do that since that would be a dead giveaway once he's Superman.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
That Clark-Lex scene would have been great had Clark not brought up Lana. Too bad. I like how Clark doesn't let Lex trash talk at him anymore. All he has left to do is start calling him Luthor, but they better not do that since that would be a dead giveaway once he's Superman.

Yup. I noticed that Aquaman called Lex "Luthor". But these Clex scenes will always be about Lana, especially now that she is pregnant with Lex's child. That's why I want this baby to go away and fast.

[diva]

Clark=pretty much the reason I liked this episode (okay, the reason why I like any SV episode, really). But especially in his scenes with Lex and Lana. That's what I've been waiting to see him do for who knows how long, and I'm glad I got to see him having a bit of a backbone with them without him being under the influence of anything.