Wait... Did he kill Batista?

[Backward Galaxy]

It's entirely possible that I zoned out (no pun intended), but did Martian Manhunter kill the Zoner?

[HowardFilms]

Yeah, looked like he ripped his spine out, gave the Zoner a taste of his own medicine...

[WangTang]

so Manhunter become exaclty what he wanted to stop, a crazed killer.

[Backward Galaxy]

*sigh

I was afraid of that. Okay.

[muffinpeddler]

Great. Clark's not even in the suit and a leaguer already pulled a Wonder Woman.

[Coyote]

It was cool. Batista needed it. Smallville heroes don't have to be as wussy about killing as comic heroes.

[Superboy2]

Didn't Ollie kill someone or so in the comics? Really, these heroes need to realize that sometimes, when it comes to it, the ends jusitfies the means. I mean, if Clark killed or let Lex die, he would be already saving thousands of lives.

[StealthyMakoto]

I don't think he ripped his spine out... there was just a handprint (with 3 fingers + thumb) umm... burned into his back. So yeah, he killed him... didn't rip his spine out though. Maybe he'll elaborate more next time we see him.

[Backward Galaxy]

It's just disheartening to think that all these fans are like "Oh man, that was the coolest cameo by a hero EVER!!!!" and the guy KILLED someone. I mean, why? Why did he have to kill him? Are these DC superheroes or Terminators?

Now, I'm willing to give a little slack for this because the guy's a freaking alien... and maybe they're trying to go for something where Clark has to teach the alien Martian Manhunter not to kill... or some CRAP like that. But still...

[jimmyolsenblues]

i believe batista is dead and mm killed him. good for mm.

[warriorrenegade]

I don't get it either. I thought MMH whole deal was he doesn't kill just like Supes. Of course Im going by the JL cartoons. He was always protrayed as the peaceful and philosophic hero. A man/ martian who would think twice about taking anothers life. But maybe I missed something.

[christian_kryptonian]

Are you guys kidding me?? Batista was a SERIOUS threat to all humanity. He had to be killed, there was no alternative and I think Manhunter saw Clark wasn't the one to do it. He probably cmae there to Seatlle to investigate all the killings and he and Clark were on the smae trail. Manhunter prob found out about Clark's powers which is why he followed him back to Smallville. Hence the oreos in the loft...

[gj430]

Did you see how many people Batista killed, and the crystal didn't work what was he suppose to do. What do you think either of them should have done to stop him. I mean other than killing him there really is no way to stop these these aliens. Superman and MM probably shouldn't kill human or meta humans but sometimes aliens are to big a threat to leave. What are they going do to stop them. They have nowhere to imprison them, no way to send them to the PZ and the crystal doesn't work. How do you suggest they defeat someone like Batista's character without killing them. I'm totally open for suggestions.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by christian_kryptonian
Are you guys kidding me?? Batista was a SERIOUS threat to all humanity. He had to be killed, there was no alternative and I think Manhunter saw Clark wasn't the one to do it. He probably cmae there to Seatlle to investigate all the killings and he and Clark were on the smae trail. Manhunter prob found out about Clark's powers which is why he followed him back to Smallville. Hence the oreos in the loft...
I got that 2,that maybe he was on the trail of batista as well and took it upon himself to kill batista.While I see the prob wit killin him to sum,but can u blame anyone for killin batista.He was much more dangerous than gloria and she was killed.I dont think puttin him back in the zone would work,so death was the next step

[iced1]

hmmm Clark did kill that plant girl a couple of shows ago and no one made a big deal,

[warriorrenegade]

Go to the FOS talk to the ominus voice of your dead father. Learn how to defeat your enemy and lock him away in the PZ again. Jor-EL did it, It shouldn't be that hard for Clark. Atleast you'd think it wouldn't be hard for Clark , but hes his worst enemy sometimes.

[WangTang]

Dc heroes most of them follow a strict code of conduct, just becasue you have the power to kill does not mean you should have the right to, Superman,Martian manhunter and many DC heroes, have taken on far worse alien beings in the comics and cartoons, but do not kill them. supes once literally executed phantom zone criminals in the comics some years back, and people still widely hate that story till this day.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by iced1
hmmm Clark did kill that plant girl a couple of shows ago and no one made a big deal,

Good point... but it could have been because noone was watching LOL

...and what happens to zoners when the symbol does work? Hmmm....

[ginnyfan]

I don't think MM ripped out his spine! But he did kill Batista's character. I'm sorry if anyone deserved the death penalty it's this guy!

[NotTodayPete]

you guys wanted MM to sit down with this villain and share a glass of milk and an oreo? he was a murderous animal

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
Go to the FOS talk to the ominus voice of your dead father. Learn how to defeat your enemy and lock him away in the PZ again. Jor-EL did it, It shouldn't be that hard for Clark. Atleast you'd think it wouldn't be hard for Clark , but hes his worst enemy sometimes.

Hehe, and Jor-El did it without abilities. Batista isn't Kryptonian, so his powers likely have nothing to do with the yellow sun. So Jor-El was definitely at a disadvantage.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

If he hadn't of killed him, what would they have done with him?
Shipped him in a car trunk to Jersey?

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
If he hadn't of killed him, what would they have done with him?
Shipped him in a car trunk to Jersey?

The point is that just because you have the ability to kill someone, and end that threat, it doesn't entitle you to be judge, jury, and executioner. Essentially, what you had here was the first appearance of Martian Manhunter, and the only real action he took was to KILL someone. In the comics, when a DC superhero kills someone, it's a freaking EVENT. Wonder Woman killing someone was one of the reasons the Justice League broke up for crying out loud. Superman killing someone in the DC Animated Universe was part of a storyline that ran for an entire SEASON. Why do the comics and animated series seem to understand it's BAD to show your HEROES killing people, but Smallville doesn't?

Would it have honestly been so hard to just have Martian Manhunter take Batista away... neutralizing the threat and leaving a little mystery behind it? Would it have been so hard to have Martian Manhunter knock Batista out and then have a little storyline where Clark has to figure out what to do with the guy? I mean, heck, considering that Clark will have to face bad guys with superpowers later on, doesn't it make sense to have a storyline in a show where Clark is LEARNING how to be Superman for him to have LEARN what to do with these super powerful threats once he has stopped them? It's a built in storyline for crap's sake, and they just blew it off by having yet another DC icon off somebody.

Lame.

[xrayvision]

MM killing Batista with ease while Clark not being able to do a single thing to him also puts MM 10 levels above Clark. Another guy Clark takes a back seat to in his own show. No matter what, the future Superman should not have a harder time beating a zoner than other heroes. I like MM and all, but gimme a break.

I agree with your statement on heros killing. I remember when Spider-Man killed Charlemagne in Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, he very messed up and right there the reader understood what Wolverine meant when he told Spider-Man something like he's out of his league/business since Spider-Man doesn't get involved in the world of spies & the KGB.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
The point is that just because you have the ability to kill someone, and end that threat, it doesn't entitle you to be judge, jury, and executioner. Essentially, what you had here was the first appearance of Martian Manhunter, and the only real action he took was to KILL someone. In the comics, when a DC superhero kills someone, it's a freaking EVENT. Wonder Woman killing someone was one of the reasons the Justice League broke up for crying out loud. Superman killing someone in the DC Animated Universe was part of a storyline that ran for an entire SEASON. Why do the comics and animated series seem to understand it's BAD to show your HEROES killing people, but Smallville doesn't?

Would it have honestly been so hard to just have Martian Manhunter take Batista away... neutralizing the threat and leaving a little mystery behind it? Would it have been so hard to have Martian Manhunter knock Batista out and then have a little storyline where Clark has to figure out what to do with the guy? I mean, heck, considering that Clark will have to face bad guys with superpowers later on, doesn't it make sense to have a storyline in a show where Clark is LEARNING how to be Superman for him to have LEARN what to do with these super powerful threats once he has stopped them? It's a built in storyline for crap's sake, and they just blew it off by having yet another DC icon off somebody.

Lame.

Oh I agree, just that it seems typical of the Smallville way: take the easy way/cop out.

[Radioflyer]

Contrary to PC,You cant rehabilitate evil. You have to dispose of it.

[Luthorism]

I wish clark had killed him.

[Flux capacitor]

Originally posted by gj430
Did you see how many people Batista killed, and the crystal didn't work what was he suppose to do. What do you think either of them should have done to stop him. I mean other than killing him there really is no way to stop these these aliens. Superman and MM probably shouldn't kill human or meta humans but sometimes aliens are to big a threat to leave. What are they going do to stop them. They have nowhere to imprison them, no way to send them to the PZ and the crystal doesn't work. How do you suggest they defeat someone like Batista's character without killing them. I'm totally open for suggestions.


One thing I thought of was lombotomizing Batistia with Clark's heat viz like in the Justice Lord's Superman did in Justice League. Unfortunately, this is still considered "wrong" by some for a Superhero to do. It seems for some the only solution must be for the hero to come nearly to death and then find a way to "pull the plug" on the bad guy and throw him in jail. Now I see the drama in that and I see the reasoning in a child's cartoon. We don't want our kid's seeing superheroes killing everyone all the time. Because of this, it's not fair to compare Smallville to a cartoon.
It seems funny to me that people are ok with these criminals getting sent to the phantom zone (some even having their bodies taken away) by Jor-El. Jor-El and or some Kryptonian council memebers got to decide that these criminals deserved and ageless, deathless, hopeless hell instead of death. It seems to me that sentence is worse than death. At least with death the final judge (God) decides where one spends eternity. The phantom zone is a much crueler punishment. Besides, Clark letting some zoners out shows how ineffective this method is. That guy that gloria planted in, Bow-wow's b-ball buddy, all those people on the ship--how many more innocent people have to die before these threats get eliminated. If Jor-El had done a proper job of taking care of these beings then Clark wouldn't be in the mess he's in now.
But, of course we would have the drama a TV show brings now would we?