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khufu

11-16-2006, 07:42 PM

I thought this was a really good episode for Chloe tonight. There was some great scoobying going on, and it looks like 33.1 is now back on her radar. And oh yeah, even Lana joined in with Chloe and Jimmy, how often does that happen!? Althought it does look like they are setting up a possible Chlana confrontation in the future about this 33.1 issue, but what can you do. The Chloe/Jimmy interaction was so much easier to watch - it helps that Jimmy wasn't being completely naive and showed some real intelligence (and Chloe was impressed :p). The Chlark was very nice, and it reaffirms that she's his #1 secret keeper. And by they way, Jimmy getting jealous of Clark was great.

And lastly, why does she keep looking so sexy? Damn you Chloe!!!

jimmyolsenblues

11-16-2006, 07:43 PM

chloe listening to jimmy was great.
telling jimmy he "man-d up" was great.

Nospam

11-16-2006, 07:46 PM

look_ma_no_pants

11-16-2006, 07:46 PM

ah i can't wait for a chlana confrontation! i been wanting to see an altercation for a long time. i don't even care the reason, but this one would make sense.

how often does it happen that jimmy is helpful and interesting? although "the infuriator" was kind of stupid i thought. "jimmy the puney dork" is a little more fitting. sorry, i'm biased, i just like clark better. a lot better.

Krypto/DQ/

11-16-2006, 07:50 PM

Maybe he reacted like that because he didn't want to imply Chloe in danger more than she is already. Maybe a overprotecting reaction.

BeldarofRemulak

11-16-2006, 07:55 PM

D.M.A.

11-16-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by khufu
I thought this was a really good episode for Chloe tonight. There was some great scoobying going on, and it looks like 33.1 is now back on her radar. And oh yeah, even Lana joined in with Chloe and Jimmy, how often does that happen!? Althought it does look like they are setting up a possible Chlana confrontation in the future about this 33.1 issue, but what can you do. The Chloe/Jimmy interaction was so much easier to watch - it helps that Jimmy wasn't being completely naive and showed some real intelligence (and Chloe was impressed :p). The Chlark was very nice, and it reaffirms that she's his #1 secret keeper. And by they way, Jimmy getting jealous of Clark was great.

And lastly, why does she keep looking so sexy? Damn you Chloe!!!
I agree it showed her showin support in jimmy unlike fallout where many complained.Tho she really had no choice when her bf was steady askin what ck can do he can't :lol: .But they had good interaction tonight and as u said wit lana of all ppl.It was almost similar to the old dayz except wit clark/pete.But jimmy was great tonight,he showed another side to his character and wasn't all in her face tonight.He took control and really seemed to wanna prove himself that he was worthy of bein apart of the manhunt :) .Chlark was cool could have been better but their interaction was cool,clark seemed more distance/protective as he's been all season wit her.But she tried to tell him that she wants to kno/be apart of things,he was jus hesitant.Her interactions wit lionel was sumwhat of a reminder of theirs back in s3,so that was great to see.Plus her last scene wit lana shows that they may not be as close as sum think,lana definitely doesn't leave lex side(Tho I dont think that's what chloe meant).So yea I can see a future confrontation between the girls.She had her moments tonight no doubt,but my fav was wit lionel.Nothin like the return of the MB :D

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
I totally agree with you here. I was very upset with both Clark and Lana's behavior toward Chloe. Chloe just saved Lana and Chloe is always there for Clark! How could they be so mean to her!!
Well clark was alil confused about things himself and he did tell her what was wrong,it jus took a min.He was as confused as ever,so I dont blame him too much for bein hesitant.Besides he's been overprotective of her this season,not lettin her go wit him on certain saves.So since he doesn't kno what MM is jus yet maybe he's alil worried

seara

11-16-2006, 08:00 PM

Very important episode for Chloe.

For the first time we saw her dressed in the glorius green that is a colar of Demeter . Even more important was the fact that for a firts time Clark learninmg that Lana might in troble didn't run to save her ASOP.

We also saw Chloe sitting in front the glass windows whith the picture of the sun rising and later in the barn we saw her at the window framend in pure light. All sunrises and no sundowns.

D.M.A.

11-16-2006, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by seara
Very important episode for Chloe.

For the first time we saw her dressed in the glorius green that is a colar of Demeter . Even more important was the fact that for a firts time Clark learninmg that Lana might in troble didn't run to save her ASOP.

We also saw Chloe sitting in front the glass windows whith the picture of the sun rising and later in the barn we saw her at the window framend in pure light. All sunrises and no sundowns.
Yea I was actually alil shocked he didn't wanna run to help lana/lex I jus knew chloe was goin to have to push clark to leave.But instead it was the other way around,she wanted clark to stay and help her,but he stoodup imo and knew that more were in danger and he needed to leave.Jus as he told her she had to find lex he'd help later,but luckily she didn't need him later.But clark not wantin to help suprise me,cause I jus knew he would want to stay

BeldarofRemulak

11-16-2006, 08:02 PM

I, honestly, am scared they are leading to the end of her (I hope not!). Word choices and such make me believe that Lana might cause her death or something..?

khufu

11-16-2006, 08:03 PM

chunkeymonkey1981

11-16-2006, 08:03 PM

Okay Chloe was great in this ep--but when is she not? I liked that JO wasnt a total idiot in this ep--he did something to help that wasnt ridiculous and saved the day with no whining!

Glad to see he is jealous over Clark--and he should be cause ya know Chloe still loves him =) Which brings me to this--not enough chlark! But the loft scene was great--and Chloe's speech about *sometimes even heroes need saving*. Yeah, Clark should know--she's saved his butt enough times!

What I am excited for is Chloe digging into 33.1..I wonder if Lionel will help her with it? I also hope this leads to a Chloe/Lana smackdown..and subsuquent falling out that is waaaay overdue.

Overall strong ep for Chloe which is good..we have missed her the past few eps...cant wait to see what the rest of the season has in store for her...

cmm

11-16-2006, 08:04 PM

Clarks reaction to Chloe baffled me; I just didn't get it he's like "some things you don't need to know". I kept thinking hello clark she's the one that usually finds the information out for you and you take that info and use it and this is how you repay her? It almost feels like Clark uses her sometimes.

MBCorp

11-16-2006, 08:15 PM

The Chlimmy was far better in this episode, and a nice break from the Days Of Our Lives that is Lexana. I didn't really mind it at all.

I didn't understand Clark's attitiude at all in the Chlark scene though. I guess they are setting up a sort of mini rift between them. Maybe having to do with tptb wanting Clark to be alone and isolated from everyone else this season?

Jill

11-16-2006, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by cmm
Clarks reaction to Chloe baffled me; I just didn't get it he's like "some things you don't need to know". I kept thinking hello clark she's the one that usually finds the information out for you and you take that info and use it and this is how you repay her? It almost feels like Clark uses her sometimes.

You read my mind :D

Naman is 1#

11-16-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Krypto/DQ/
Maybe he reacted like that because he didn't want to imply Chloe in danger more than she is already. Maybe a overprotecting reaction.

It sounded more like, Chloe for once but-out. Just like when she wanted Clark to tell her who Green Arrrow is. The reaction he had seemed the same.

D.M.A.

11-16-2006, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by chunkeymonkey1981
Okay Chloe was great in this ep--but when is she not? I liked that JO wasnt a total idiot in this ep--he did something to help that wasnt ridiculous and saved the day with no whining!

Glad to see he is jealous over Clark--and he should be cause ya know Chloe still loves him =) Which brings me to this--not enough chlark! But the loft scene was great--and Chloe's speech about *sometimes even heroes need saving*. Yeah, Clark should know--she's saved his butt enough times!

What I am excited for is Chloe digging into 33.1..I wonder if Lionel will help her with it? I also hope this leads to a Chloe/Lana smackdown..and subsuquent falling out that is waaaay overdue.

Overall strong ep for Chloe which is good..we have missed her the past few eps...cant wait to see what the rest of the season has in store for her...
Ur right,her eyes lit up when she saw level 33.1 plus imo it seems that lionel is sumwhat takin lex place from s3 wit chloe.He tells her to backoff basically cause its too much,which I think we'll see this season.Lionel will try to help keep chloe from gettin too deep but this time lex,and even lana will be into level 33.1 serious.For sum reason tho it jus reminded me of lex/chloe interactions in s3,but of course we kno chloe won't back off lol.And her scene wit clark was mixed wit me,they had their usual chlarky moment but he seemed too protective at first.Maybe its because he's still tryin to figure things out hisself,who knows.Chlimmy was good cause we got to see them work on sumthin together and not focus on their ship fo real.Jimmy stepped up alot tonight,and chloe/lana interaction leads me to believe she'll be jus as much behind whatever lex does to chloe.Cause she will be in denial that lex is involved,I wonder how chlark will look into level 33.1 later on.

Originally posted by khufu
I agree! But the only reason I wasn't too bothered by it is because of the recent AA spoilers, you know. It will be dealt with. But in that last scene, did anyone else think Clark looked like he was about to cry??? WTH was that all about?
:lol: he did look that way,as if he was scared cause he really doesn't kno what to do.He saw sumone kill a zoner he didn't kno how to stop,and then fly away.He doesn't kno where the guy come from or what,which is funny since chloe says "So he's on our side right" :lol: .Clark did look like he wanted to cry tho dont kno why smh

Originally posted by MBCorp
The Chlimmy was far better in this episode, and a nice break from the Days Of Our Lives that is Lexana. I didn't really mind it at all.

I didn't understand Clark's attitiude at all in the Chlark scene though. I guess they are setting up a sort of mini rift between them. Maybe having to do with tptb wanting Clark to be alone and isolated from everyone else this season?
Yea it was alil weird that chloe had to remind him that he was talkin to her,his bestfriend #1 secret keeper :lol: .He jus looked scared in that scene like it would come back to hurt them if he told,but imo he was jus confused cause he doesn't kno what MM is.So I dont blame him for bein alil hesitant but he did tell her,he jus seemed worried.And she tried to tell him that it was alright and atleast he was alright,so nothin to worry of.But this is clark,we all kno he'll mope around for awhile til he knows for sure what MM is :lol:

MsSullivan

11-16-2006, 10:28 PM

I LOVED Chloe tonight (nothing new), this is the beginning of her big story :D

Farm_Girl

11-16-2006, 10:35 PM

Has it ever occured to anyone that Clark doesn't need to share everything with Chloe?

The fact that his character relied on Chloe so much in the past is the reason why Clark was sidelined for a long time.

khufu

11-16-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Has it ever occured to anyone that Clark doesn't need to share everything with Chloe?

The fact that his character relied on Chloe so much in the past is the reason why Clark was sidelined for a long time. You seem to be confusing two different issues. Clark relying on Chloe to do all the work in an investigation is one thing, Clark confinding in her as a friend is another. And I hardly see how the latter would or has in any way hindered Clark's development.

Farm_Girl

11-16-2006, 10:45 PM

Yes, I did talk about two different things and no, I am not confused.

The first point, I said that Clark doesn't need to share everything with Chloe. If he wants to keep something to himself, he is not answerable to Chloe later. Just like if Chloe is keeping Lana's secret, she is not answerable to Clark. They did not sign a pact that they will disclose all information to each other.

Secondly, about hindering Clark's development, you know the phrase "SuperChloe" don't you? That is what I was talking about.

I think Clark and Chloe working separately for sometime would be good for both. Their static relationship was hindering Clark's becoming Superman and taking control of things, as well as it was stopping Chloe from having a real life outside of the Clark circumferrence.

Plbrock1s

11-16-2006, 10:47 PM

I'm kinda glad he didn't tell her. If he's always telling her everything, she'll always wanna help out, which is fine and all, but this way, he'll be forced to go out and investigate things on his own. I hope that makes sense.

dave73085

11-16-2006, 10:51 PM

If there's a Chlana showdown and Chloe doesn't outwit/outplay/outlast Lana handily, I think AlMiles will have a revolt on their hands.

chlarklove

11-16-2006, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
The first point, I said that Clark doesn't need to share everything with Chloe. If he wants to keep something to himself, he is not answerable to Chloe later. Just like if Chloe is keeping Lana's secret, she is not answerable to Clark. They did not sign a pact that they will disclose all information to each other.

Chloe was right though. If Clark keeps things bottled inside it'll only eat him alive. What are best friends for if you can't confide in them?

And the Lana situation is completely different than what happened in Static. I get that Clark is trying to protect Chloe, but it's only going to cause further drama down the line. Which hey, their make-up scenes are always worth it! And they become closer and gain a stronger bond in the end too.

Secondly, about hindering Clark's development, you know the phrase "SuperChloe" don't you? That is what I was talking about.

The only person who has hindered Clark's development is Clark.

And you know what they say... Superman needs a SuperWoman! ;) So you just keep on making those Super!Chloe comments... it only further proves our point. :p

BadToad

11-16-2006, 10:53 PM

I thought the end Chlark scene was very, very odd. If it does turn out to be MM at the end, instead of Chloe, then well done. If not, its just an odd scene.

I can understand Clark being freaked. It was a pretty horrific scene. And I can also understand his trepidation over encountering another person thats different, with powers. With Zoners out there, he's got to be wondering WTF? I think they are trying to show that Clark is shutting down on himself more and more. Taking on this responsibility. I don't think he was being mean to Chloe. Just not much in a mood for talking. As it was, he did end up telling her the stuff about the unknown powered guy.

And assuming it was Chloe, I liked what she had to say. She's used to Clark confiding all to her, so its hard for her when he doesn't. Especially when she can sense he's carrying a heavy burden thats weighing on him. She wants to help, naturally.

So, its an odd scene without a doubt. But I don't think anyone was being mean here. As I've said before in another thread, true friendships aren't hearts and flowers 24/7. And Chloe and Clark have been true friends a long time.

IMO

khufu

11-17-2006, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
The first point, I said that Clark doesn't need to share everything with Chloe. If he wants to keep something to himself, he is not answerable to Chloe later. Just like if Chloe is keeping Lana's secret, she is not answerable to Clark. They did not sign a pact that they will disclose all information to each other.Yeah, I agree that Clark is entitled to keep stuff to himself. Chloe doesn't need to know his every thought, and he does not have to "answer" to her later. We are in complete agreement here (mark the date). The only thing that I think was ooc was how short he was with her about it. But in any event, as I already stated upthread, I'm not even worried about it. I predicted a Chlark fight back in Wither, and with the AA spoiler, everything in Static seems to be going according to plan (and where it's going is clear to many).

Fight = heated emotions. reflection & reexamination. reconcilation. bonding. growth.

And Chlark have such good fights anyways, it's a win-win situation. :p

D.M.A.

11-17-2006, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by khufu
Yeah, I agree that Clark is entitled to keep stuff to himself. Chloe doesn't need to know his every thought, and he does not have to "answer" to her later. We are in complete agreement here (mark the date). The only thing that I think was ooc was how short he was with her about it. But in any event, as I already stated upthread, I'm not even worried about it. I predicted a Chlark fight back in Wither, and with the AA spoiler, everything in Static seems to be going according to plan (and where it's going is clear to many).

Fight = heated emotions. reflection & reexamination. reconcilation. bonding. growth.

And Chlark have such good fights anyways, it's a win-win situation. :p
I agree,cause tho she may fight wit him over lana secret it will be more to it than jus that.This has been buildin up all season,and their makeup will be worth it.I think many predicted a fight this season so hearin about it is good.I think it'll tell alot about how chlark view each other now,sum were confused about how chlark feels for each other now since we had no real closure from Zod.So I think them arguin will tell more of it,cause this has been buildin up.I dont think the fight will be big but durin the makeup 1 if not both will notice sumthin more to the argument which will lead to them gettin closer when they makeup.Clark has alot goin on this season that chloe doesn't kno about,so I think their fight will tell alot.They may be secretive now but afterwards I see them gettin closer

fresh prince

11-17-2006, 12:45 AM

I enjoyed watching them tonight and whats up with the whole retro thing last year she never dressed like that then all of a sudden she is now but she still looks damn hot lol

MsSullivan

11-17-2006, 01:01 AM

fresh prince, I love the outfits tonight. Very cute and complimentary and not to mention very reporter-like. And I agree she looked hot :D

khufu

11-17-2006, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by MsSullivan
fresh prince, I love the outfits tonight. Very cute and complimentary and not to mention very reporter-like. And I agree she looked hot :D They are definitely making a point of presenting her in a more professional manner - and it looks delicious :p. It's interesting, because there is a sort of retro vibe to it, and she seems to be the only one so far whose wardrobe is along the same lines as the retro theme that we saw in the summer promos (except no fishnets :( ).

savingpeoplething

11-17-2006, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by khufu
Fight = heated emotions. reflection & reexamination. reconcilation. bonding. growth.

Even the best of friends need a fight every now and then because it DOES show growth and it's better than just agreeing all the time.

Clark is at a point where he's starting thinking a little more outside of the box and Chloe is now going to be deep into Level 33.1 investigating, so they're going to be really preoccupied with a lot of stuff.
I see them planting the seeds for some kind of fight, but I agree with those that think Chlark always have great make up scenes. :)

Other Chloe thoughts:

I was LOVIN' that first outfit she had on at The Planet with Clark. I really wish I knew where to get some of the clothes.
Kudos to wardrobe for making Chloe look really great this year (even though, she always does, heh)!

Awesome Chloe/Lionel scene, but then again, those are ALWAYS good :)

And, yea, for the start of Level 33.1 and Chloe investigating the story and exposing it!
I loved Lana telling her that she couldn't prove it existed because it'll be such a payoff in the end when Chloe DOES.

I think the Chloe was actually the MM at the end is an interesting idea, but I don't really think there was anything out of character for Chloe there, so part of me thinks it really was her.
She spoke a lot of truth to Clark about not keeping things bottled up and letting other people help him fight the good fight, which hinted at the JLA and even possibly herself.
When Chloe walked away, it looked as if Clark realized he had upset her and wanted to go after her and say something, but was interrupted by stepping on the oreo. So, I don't think Clark is completely callous to her feelings.

Overall, GREAT Chloe episode and am glad they are giving her a big story and more screentime!

Dor el

11-17-2006, 06:19 AM

So, is Chloe gonna morph into some superhero. Will her life be in some sort of jeopardy where the only weay to save her is to morph her? I'm so confused. But, I will agree that Chloe was certainly the lone bright star of this epi and I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jimmy was the next least dull star. From my perspective.

jmf1977

11-17-2006, 07:15 AM

I am truly tired of Chloe being the savior of every episode. How can some lowly intern at the DP investigate level 33.1? Also did anyone else find it interesting that with her little gadget she could download all of Lex's hard drive and take it to the DP? I had to laugh when Chloe, while using DP computer, was able to access the video and blow up the static. Plus her and Jimmy with his ham radio was another low point in the story. With all of Lionel Luthor's resources the only ones to save Lex and Lana were SuperChloe and SuperJimmy and the amazing ham radio! Plus I am sick and tired of Chloe being the one that knows Clark's secret. She is so freakin' annoying. She needs to get off her high horse and check back into reality. She is not Clark's crime fighting partner. Of course, this is Smallville, and the writers make Clark weak and pathetic.

chlo-el

11-17-2006, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by jmf1977
I am truly tired of Chloe being the savior of every episode. How can some lowly intern at the DP investigate level 33.1? Also did anyone else find it interesting that with her little gadget she could download all of Lex's hard drive and take it to the DP? I had to laugh when Chloe, while using DP computer, was able to access the video and blow up the static. Plus her and Jimmy with his ham radio was another low point in the story. With all of Lionel Luthor's resources the only ones to save Lex and Lana were SuperChloe and SuperJimmy and the amazing ham radio! Plus I am sick and tired of Chloe being the one that knows Clark's secret. She is so freakin' annoying. She needs to get off her high horse and check back into reality. She is not Clark's crime fighting partner. Of course, this is Smallville, and the writers make Clark weak and pathetic.

Hello, everyone needs friends. And yeah she is Clark crime fighting partner and she has been for along time. She is great as Clarks side kick. and I'm sorry but what is wrong with super Chloe? It goes back to Rage when Clark was telling the Green Arrow that he didn't need super powers to be a hero. The same goes for Chloe, she is a hero.

I just loved Chloe in this episode it showed her depths. She just wasn't super Chloe in it either. I was really surprised when she was upset about Clark going to Seatle when Lex was in danger.
It looks like they we're both shifting. In the last season she was pushing him to accept his destiny and now he has it looks like she's worried about him isolating her and everyone in the process. It looks like this will play out later.

I actaully like her scenes with Jimmy in this. I usually can't watching ?Jimmy because he's so embarassing to watch. But this was actaully bearable. But it was a little sad because it looked like Clark was getting replaced by Jimmy and Chloe seemed a little sad about this. But this did seem to build for more tension.

Chloe was great in this but I started to feel bad for her. It looked like maybe she was loosing both of her best friend. She was loosing Clark to his quest to be a superhero and isolated and she was loosing Lana to a super vilian.

I don't think she'll lose Clark but there will be this rift between them. And it looks like she will lose Lana.

lexs&os

11-17-2006, 07:42 AM

It's interesting, because for so long Clark's been ignoring his *destiny* and is finally being pro-active towards it. The last few episodes, Jimmy and Clark have suggested Lex's wrong doings; Lana went to Chloe for help regarding Lex's secrets/halfway house and Chloe, like Clark, has been side-stepping around investigating the Luthors. Static, IMO, showed Chloe finally accepting part of her *destiny* and being pro-active in investigating the Luthers.
I also found it interesting, that while Clark is feeling alone - Chloe's starting too now also. Between Lana's, Lionel's and Clark's snippy-ness and shortly before the Nois/Jimmy what-ever, there is a nice set up for a blow-up.
RE: Clark's treatment of her at the end - in part I saw it as a protective manuver/my life is really dangerous - Clark witnessed what the MM did to the Zoner Clark couldn't stop. Really, how much could he have explained to her - he didn't know enough himself. I agree that he recognized that he upset her and I thought it looked like he was gonna yell "Chloe, waite..."or something like that.

seara

11-17-2006, 08:14 AM

The color green was strong symbol in yesterday's episode. The name of the ship was Star Grindanger ( there actually is a Norwegian ship if this name).

Chloe in green was very important because Chloe represents the goddess Demeter which symbolic color is green. Also Jimmy was also wearing green . Notice how the job that he was doing is the kind of job that Chloe usually does. I'm not very sure about that but in the episode "Reunion" when Lois was doing the job that Chloe usually does ( Scoobing) she was also wearing green ( a green T-shirt).

In the scene of their small argument, after Chloe leaves Clark moves like he is going after her but gets distracted because steps on the cookie. It was also the first time that Clark is showing having second thoughts after an argument with Chloe ( usually he remains infuriatingly impassive).

chlarkfan333

11-17-2006, 08:53 AM

I would be stunned if anyone voiced a complaint about 'SuperChloe' in this episode. Her 'super' activities were toned down quite a bit, IMO. In fact, I think JO might soon share that mantle. :p

I agree with the majority out there. This episode was a milestone for Chloe's character in that it has finally got the ball rolling on her arc i.e. investigating Level 33.1. I am sooo excited!

I also wanted to point out that this is twice now that Chloe has attempted to enlighten Lana in the evil ways of Lex Luthor and that's twice now Lana has shot her down.

As for Clark's harsh words to Chloe - I don't understand why he felt to use those words although I don't think it is necessary that he tell her everything. So, my guess is, they are setting the stage for some sort of fallout, perhaps even the scene in which the tables are turned and Clark is accusing Chloe of keeping Lana's pregnancy a secret from him.

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-17-2006, 08:56 AM

I see Chloe headed for a fall....

lexs&os

11-17-2006, 09:03 AM

^^Only place to go from once *one* falls....up, up, and away!;)

Dannyblue1

11-17-2006, 09:26 AM

This is not a blanket statement by any means, but I often see the "Super Chloe" accusation used by those looking for a reason why Clark and Chloe shouldn't be spending time together. "Clark will never learn to do things on his own with Chloe around, so we must get Clark away from Chloe," is the logic given. When the real reasoning is, "If you get Chloe away from Clark, the possibility of Chlark will finally die, removing an obstacle to certain other 'ships."

The fact is, having a competant, proactive sidekick shouldn't prevent a lead character from being a great hero. (How many "sidekicks" did Buffy have? Four? Five?) In fact, viewers tend to love it when a group of characters work together, all contributing in their own way to solving a problem. That's why most SV viewers are complimentary when an episode features some good "Scoobying." Sometimes, watching a hero work completely alone just isn't as much fun.

If you don't think Clark is heroic enough, blame the way he is written, not the competance of the characters around him. Although, I think they've toned down a lot on the so called "Super Chloe" thing, and have gotten much better at having Clark contribute to their investigations. Which is what tends to happen when a hero has someone intelligent to work with and bounce ideas off of. Working with people who are good at what they do makes the hero better.

Rhoda123

11-17-2006, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by chlarklove
Chloe was right though. If Clark keeps things bottled inside it'll only eat him alive. What are best friends for if you can't confide in them?

And the Lana situation is completely different than what happened in Static. I get that Clark is trying to protect Chloe, but it's only going to cause further drama down the line. Which hey, their make-up scenes are always worth it! And they become closer and gain a stronger bond in the end too.

The only person who has hindered Clark's development is Clark.

And you know what they say... Superman needs a SuperWoman! ;) So you just keep on making those Super!Chloe comments... it only further proves our point. :p

You go ahead... I agree with everything that you said.. Clark is a big boy and shouldn't need someone to make choices for him.. he knows what is right and wrong and thus far, Chloe has helped him along the lines of getting him to see outside of the box BUT he is a grown man and should be accountable for his actions or his non actions..

And I wanted to go through the tv and choke Clark when he was being mean to Chloe.. if he doesn't want to confide in Chloe, fine but don't be an ass about it.. I am proud of Chloe for saying what she said and for keeping her head held high.. what a classy chick!!

chlarkfan333

11-17-2006, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
This is not a blanket statement by any means, but I often see the "Super Chloe" accusation used by those looking for a reason why Clark and Chloe shouldn't be spending time together. "Clark will never learn to do things on his own with Chloe around, so we must get Clark away from Chloe," is the logic given. When the real reasoning is, "If you get Chloe away from Clark, the possibility of Chlark will finally die, removing an obstacle to certain other 'ships."

The fact is, having a competant, proactive sidekick shouldn't prevent a lead character from being a great hero. (How many "sidekicks" did Buffy have? Four? Five?) In fact, viewers tend to love it when a group of characters work together, all contributing in their own way to solving a problem. That's why most SV viewers are complimentary when an episode features some good "Scoobying." Sometimes, watching a hero work completely alone just isn't as much fun.

If you don't think Clark is heroic enough, blame the way he is written, not the competance of the characters around him. Although, I think they've toned down a lot on the so called "Super Chloe" thing, and have gotten much better at having Clark contribute to their investigations. Which is what tends to happen when a hero has someone intelligent to work with and bounce ideas off of. Working with people who are good at what they do makes the hero better.

Very well put! I have a feeling you are spot on with your observation here. The only thing I want to add (something I have mentioned on several occasions before) is that all characters/people should be held accountable for their own actions. Unfortunately there is a tendency to blame others for one's failings.

seara

11-17-2006, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by jmf1977
[B]I am truly tired of Chloe being the savior of every episode. How can some lowly intern at the DP investigate level 33.1? Also did anyone else find it interesting that with her little gadget she could download all of Lex's hard drive and take it to the DP? I had to laugh when Chloe, while using DP computer, was able to access the video and blow up the static. Plus her and Jimmy with his ham radio was another low point in the story. With all of Lionel Luthor's resources the only ones to save Lex and Lana were SuperChloe and SuperJimmy and the amazing ham radio! Plus I am sick and tired of Chloe being the one that knows Clark's secret. She is so freakin' annoying. She needs to get off her high horse and check back into reality. She is not Clark's crime fighting partner. Of course, this is Smallville, and the writers make Clark weak and pathetic.

Don't be so hard on Chloe. In some way all characters in Smallville have some kind of superpower ( they all represent Gods and Goddesses ). So as Clark is Superman ( in training), Chloe is some kind of super woman, Lex never dies and Lana has the power to be loved by everybody. It is like they all are meteor freaks.

ms.c.

11-17-2006, 11:44 AM

If Lionel understands Chloe at all then he knows that making a big deal about dropping a story is the surest way to make sure Chloe digs even more into it.
I could see Lionel playing Chloe this way. Why? I have no idea.

and Chlark need to have a real fight already and bring up their issues. The great thing about their relationship is that they eventually deal with issues and their problems.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-17-2006, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Nospam
I thought Clark's treatment of Chloe in the loft was ridiculous. She's busting her tail helping him track down the Zoners and then he shuts her out at the end.

I agree!!!
I HATE CLARK SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!
Man, the guy pi$$es me off.
Will he ever treat a woman right?
Although I am not crazu about Ch(l)immy, I really can't blame Chloe for choosing Jimmy over Clark. I mean, no woman deserves the BDA.
Quit whining, BDA!!!

Originally posted by ms.c.
If Lionel understands Chloe at all then he knows that making a big deal about dropping a story is the surest way to make sure Chloe digs even more into it.
I could see Lionel playing Chloe this way. Why? I have no idea.

Yeah, that was not the smartest move by TPTB...
Good to see some Chlionel, though...

jmf1977

11-17-2006, 12:36 PM

While I do not want to see a Chlark romantic relationship it still does not change my thinking that Clark and Chloe need to spend some time apart. It's not that I do not like their friendship, essentially the Chloe character is probably the best written on the show. I just feel that this season more than ever, Chloe's only purpose is to be Clark's sidekick. As much as people do not like where Lana is going, she is at least involved in something new (sort of). I just feel that the writers are just killing all of the characters and hindering their future development. I wish the show would go back to the basics and stick to the interpretation of a young Superman.

Dannyblue1

11-17-2006, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by jmf1977
I just feel that this season more than ever, Chloe's only purpose is to be Clark's sidekick. As much as people do not like where Lana is going, she is at least involved in something new (sort of).

How would Chloe not being Clark's sidekick be better for her character? This is a show about Clark Kent (supposedly). Characters don't tend to get a whole lot of attention unless their lives are somehow intertwined with his (usually). Saying you want Chloe to have her own story is great and all. But if Chloe were going solo completely independent of Clark, and the show took time away from Clark to focus on it, I can just imagine the hue and cry that would raise.

After all, isn't that's what's happening with Lana. She's got her own story independent of Clark. Very few fans seem to care, and are not at all happy that's it's taking time away from Clark's story. But, unlike Chloe, who can be part of Clark's life in many different ways, romance was the only thing tying Lana to Clark. Since the romance seems to be over, and they haven't set it up for Clark and Lana to interact in other ways, they are scrambling to find something else for her to do. Which happens to be this Lexana/baby thing.

Also, giving a character their own story isn't always a good thing, either for the character or the show overall. Again, just look at Lana.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-17-2006, 01:24 PM

Rhoda123

11-17-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Well, you forgot Ch(l)immy, that's kinda new...

I'd like to forget Chlimmy.. it creeps me out..

Paint the K

11-17-2006, 01:56 PM

I realized in this episode the actress who plays Chloe is prettier than Lana. Lana don't age well. Chloe, she's getting sexier each episode. I want sexy time with her!

Nospam

11-17-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Paint the K
I realized in this episode the actress who plays Chloe is prettier than Lana. Lana don't age well. Chloe, she's getting sexier each episode. I want sexy time with her!

Grab her with the marriage bag then. :)

On the plus side for this episode, Chloe and Jimmy worked well together and Jimmy actually did something useful. Yeah for the Chimmy!

RMF

11-17-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
How would Chloe not being Clark's sidekick be better for her character? This is a show about Clark Kent (supposedly). Characters don't tend to get a whole lot of attention unless their lives are somehow intertwined with his (usually). Saying you want Chloe to have her own story is great and all. But if Chloe were going solo completely independent of Clark, and the show took time away from Clark to focus on it, I can just imagine the hue and cry that would raise.
That's a very important point. The show has three main characters, Clark being foremost, so each of the subsidiary characters has to be tied to one of those three to actually push the story forward. It's all very well to say Chloe should get her own life and needs a boyfriend etc., but if they devote much screen time to secondary characters such as Chlimmy, they're detracting from the goal of the series, which is to show how Clark and Lex achieve their destinies. So, Chloe and Clark need to be strongly linked. Chloe and Lex need to be strongly opposed.

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I HATE CLARK SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!
Man, the guy pi$$es me off.
Will he ever treat a woman right?
Although I am not crazu about Ch(l)immy, I really can't blame Chloe for choosing Jimmy over Clark. I mean, no woman deserves the BDA.
Quit whining, BDA!!!
Come on. Why hate him because he's preoccupied and not ready to talk to her?

InLove_with_Chloe

11-17-2006, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by RMF
Come on. Why hate him because he's preoccupied and not ready to talk to her?

This guy hasn't been ready for 6 friggin' years. He is still not ready. For nothing. He will never be ready. He will always mope, whine and complain about how unfair the world is... I am sooooo tired of this Clark Kent. It starts to be a real problem, IMO...

Originally posted by Paint the K
I realized in this episode the actress who plays Chloe is prettier than Lana. Lana don't age well. Chloe, she's getting sexier each episode.
Very true. Don't like Chloe's new haircut, though...

Nospam

11-17-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
This guy hasn't been ready for 6 friggin' years. He is still not ready. For nothing. He will never be ready. He will always mope, whine and complain about how unfair the world is... I am sooooo tired of this Clark Kent. It starts to be a real problem, IMO...

Very true. Don't like Chloe's new haircut, though...

I think her new haircut is intended to be softer, more romantic. I thought it made her look younger. Whatever. She's beautiful all the same.

As for Clark being pre-occupied, what is so hard about saying, "Sorry Chloe, I have a lot on my mind at the moment"? Instead he is downright rude to her. This to the girl that has his back and fights battles for him without him ever knowing.

I don't think Chloe took it personally, however.

khufu

11-17-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
This guy hasn't been ready for 6 friggin' years. He is still not ready. For nothing. He will never be ready. He will always mope, whine and complain about how unfair the world is... I am sooooo tired of this Clark Kent. It starts to be a real problem, IMO...He feels responsible fot the deaths of 23 people. And he wasn't even able to take down the guy who killed them - he had to be saved by someone else. That is NOT easy to deal with. So I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he was feeling too guilty, and too much like a failure, to be in the mood to talk to anyone. That's completely understandable.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-17-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
I don't think Chloe took it personally, however.

Yeah, but I did.
:mad:

<sigh.>

I think the writers have to improve Clark, seriously...
It's just so darn difficult to keep watching him screwing up, over and over again... Will he ever learn? Do Kryptonians learn? Who knows, maybe their brain works differently...
Good old Pawlow is drooling right now... Quoting Kelso, hehe...

Originally posted by khufu
He feels responsible fot the deaths of 23 people. And he wasn't even able to take down the guy who killed them - he had to be saved by someone else. That is NOT easy to deal with. So I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he was feeling too guilty, and too much like a failure, to be in the mood to talk to anyone. That's completely understandable.

OK, I see your point.
I'll try to be more forgiving with Clark, in the future.

BadToad

11-17-2006, 03:27 PM

As for Clark being pre-occupied, what is so hard about saying, "Sorry Chloe, I have a lot on my mind at the moment"? Instead he is downright rude to her.

And what is so hard about saying "OK Clark, I understand you have to go to Seattle, I'll try and see what I can do to help here until you get back"? Wasn't it sort of jerky for Chloe to suggest that the reason Clark was choosing to go to Seattle was due to his personal issues with Lex? I couldn't believe Clark even had to justify his decision to her.

Hey, I think thats a lot more rude then a preoccupied Clark lost in his own thoughts.

But if Clark had said "boo" to Chloe over that initial scene, people would be blasting him left and right. But he's not allowed his own freaked out moment at the end of the episode?

Really, I'd like to know why one is dismissed, and the other isn't. It isn't like Clark makes it habit of keeping Chloe in the dark, is it? And ultimately, didn't he tell Chloe about the shadowy figure he encountered? And did Chloe ever tell him he did the right thing by going, and they were able to handle things back home? Not that I can recall.

I like Chloe very, very much. But she isn't perfect either. IMO

smallvillefreak24

11-17-2006, 03:28 PM

All i want to say is jimmy is really stupid... and I don't like him.. BUT CHLOE WAS GREAT

InLove_with_Chloe

11-17-2006, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by BadToad
I like Chloe very, very much. But she isn't perfect either. IMO

True. She was wrong telling him to stay, that was OOC, IMO. And Clark has the right to freak out, too. But still, he is our superhero. I expect him to be better than the rest. At everything. Yet he keeps on behaving poorly, he doesn't want to accept the reality surrounding him, for 6 years now. I was starting to loose patience with that guy, that's all...

chlarkfan333

11-17-2006, 04:15 PM

Its only natural that people get snippy with each every now and then. I wouldn't get too worked up about what Clark said to Chloe. I think they are setting up for the purported 'fight' between the two when the shoe will be on the other foot so to speak.

RMF

11-17-2006, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
As for Clark being pre-occupied, what is so hard about saying, "Sorry Chloe, I have a lot on my mind at the moment"? Instead he is downright rude to her. This to the girl that has his back and fights battles for him without him ever knowing.

He shut her out, but I don't think he was rude to her. He didn't return her phone calls for a reason -- he wasn't ready to talk to someone else. She forced the issue by turning up, which, bless her heart, was a sign of caring on her part, but he simply wasn't ready to deal.

umm

11-17-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by RMF
He shut her out, but I don't think he was rude to her. He didn't return her phone calls for a reason -- he wasn't ready to talk to someone else. She forced the issue by turning up, which, bless her heart, was a sign of caring on her part, but he simply wasn't ready to deal.

Exactly! I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt, and believe that that was the case! Him not being ready to talk about it with anyone, even Chloe!
That being said, just like Angel needed Cordelia to push the issue and force him to open up instead of bottling it up inside, so does Clark need Chloe to do the very same thing!

Plbrock1s

11-17-2006, 05:46 PM

Remind me to never say anything negative about Chloe.
All he said was "Believe it or not, there are some things you don't need to know" It's not like he yelled at her, or told her to leave, she left on her own. Like people have already said, he just saw who knows how many boneless corpses(well, the bags), plus had his life saved by a something he'd never seen before. He was right, he didn't have to tell her everything, but I also think that maybe if he had just said, "give me some time", we might not even be having this discussion right now.

Nospam

11-17-2006, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by BadToad
And what is so hard about saying "OK Clark, I understand you have to go to Seattle, I'll try and see what I can do to help here until you get back"? Wasn't it sort of jerky for Chloe to suggest that the reason Clark was choosing to go to Seattle was due to his personal issues with Lex? I couldn't believe Clark even had to justify his decision to her.

Hey, I think thats a lot more rude then a preoccupied Clark lost in his own thoughts.

But if Clark had said "boo" to Chloe over that initial scene, people would be blasting him left and right. But he's not allowed his own freaked out moment at the end of the episode?

Really, I'd like to know why one is dismissed, and the other isn't. It isn't like Clark makes it habit of keeping Chloe in the dark, is it? And ultimately, didn't he tell Chloe about the shadowy figure he encountered? And did Chloe ever tell him he did the right thing by going, and they were able to handle things back home? Not that I can recall.

I like Chloe very, very much. But she isn't perfect either. IMO

I defended Clark in another thread when someone b***ched about him "abandoning" the search for Lex to seek out the Zoner. Clark made the right choice and I think Chloe should have supported his decision. The Zoner killed a boat load of sailors and Chloe knew that. I don't know why she seemed so dismissive of Clark's urgency to capture this Zoner. Both Clark and Chloe really seemed to be on different frequencies, pun intended, this episode.

D.M.A.

11-17-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Nospam
I defended Clark in another thread when someone b***ched about him "abandoning" the search for Lex to seek out the Zoner. Clark made the right choice and I think Chloe should have supported his decision. The Zoner killed a boat load of sailors and Chloe knew that. I don't know why she seemed so dismissive of Clark's urgency to capture this Zoner. Both Clark and Chloe really seemed to be on different frequencies, pun intended, this episode.
True but I think she jus wanted him to stay period,I think she knew he would leave to help.But was scared that sumthin may happen to him,plus they r a team.So in a way she was also scared that she couldn't find lex on her own,that's why they had jimmy step up instead of jus the girls findin him.Cause if chloe had found lex on her own ppl would complain that she does too much even without clark around.It showed that both were nervous in this episode and felt useless.But I think her reaction to him leavin was more so she was scared of what might happen.So I dont fault her reaction to him leavin,jus as I dont blame clark for bein alil hesitant on tellin her things.Notice at the end she tells him she understands he was busy but a call would have helped cause she was worried,so I think her response in the beginnin was more so to show concern.His response at the end was the same but he was confused/feeling useless,he didn't kno how to explain things.Which is why I think he was goin to go after her before he spotted the oreos...I dont fault either tho for their reactions in this episode,I kno they r settin up a fight but it also shows why they fight.They r worried now that clark may not be enough to stop everything,I think Zod comin has made both more protective of each other.

myankskent

11-17-2006, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
True but I think she jus wanted him to stay period,I think she knew he would leave to help.But was scared that sumthin may happen to him,plus they r a team.So in a way she was also scared that she couldn't find lex on her own,that's why they had jimmy step up instead of jus the girls findin him.Cause if chloe had found lex on her own ppl would complain that she does too much even without clark around.It showed that both were nervous in this episode and felt useless.But I think her reaction to him leavin was more so she was scared of what might happen.So I dont fault her reaction to him leavin,jus as I dont blame clark for bein alil hesitant on tellin her things.Notice at the end she tells him she understands he was busy but a call would have helped cause she was worried,so I think her response in the beginnin was more so to show concern.His response at the end was the same but he was confused/feeling useless,he didn't kno how to explain things.Which is why I think he was goin to go after her before he spotted the oreos...I dont fault either tho for their reactions in this episode,I kno they r settin up a fight but it also shows why they fight.They r worried now that clark may not be enough to stop everything,I think Zod comin has made both more protective of each other.

You know, it's a sticky situation but ultimately, Clark is the one that makes the decisions. It all has to do with his life. I can understand how Chloe wants to be told everything since she is doing endless amounts of research for the guy, but if Clark does't want to share stuff with her, Chloe is going to have to respect that. If she has a problem with it, then she doesn't have to be there for Clark as much as she has been and I wouldn't really fault her for that, she needs to live her own life.

D.M.A.

11-17-2006, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
You know, it's a sticky situation but ultimately, Clark is the one that makes the decisions. It all has to do with his life. I can understand how Chloe wants to be told everything since she is doing endless amounts of research for the guy, but if Clark does't want to share stuff with her, Chloe is going to have to respect that. If she has a problem with it, then she doesn't have to be there for Clark as much as she has been and I wouldn't really fault her for that, she needs to live her own life.
ya kno I think she does respect his decisions cause she knows clark is only doin what he thinks is right.She jus doesn't want him to shut her out,she feels as tho he is distant himself from her lately.But ur right,if she is upset wit things she could always back off but she doesn't and force the issue cause she knows clark.While he may have good reasons and may want to talk if he feels he can't he wont.She jus tries to remind him that whenever he is ready she is willing to listen.That's what makes their friendship so diff/special they kno each other enough to push when its right and to back off when needed.That's why I think she gave him the hero needs savin speech and then left.To let him think she knows he'll tell when he's ready,and I think she knows it was more to what he said.He seemd shocked when talkin to her so she knows it must have scared clark sum,plus wit her worryin about him could u blame him for not wantin to scare her even more.He was already confused can't have her worried too.So I agree,if she is really upset she could change how much she helps him,but she wont cause she does respect him.I think its more tha fans that get upset at their interaction lately than those 2.

jimmyolsenblues

11-17-2006, 08:26 PM

I agree that chloe needs to move on from clark and she is doing that with jimmy. chloe does not have that puppy dog look when she longs for clark anymore.
But clark needs to stop relying on chloe to solve any mystery. He will always be a big dumb alien if he can solve anything without chloe.

myankskent

11-17-2006, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
ya kno I think she does respect his decisions cause she knows clark is only doin what he thinks is right.She jus doesn't want him to shut her out,she feels as tho he is distant himself from her lately.But ur right,if she is upset wit things she could always back off but she doesn't and force the issue cause she knows clark.While he may have good reasons and may want to talk if he feels he can't he wont.She jus tries to remind him that whenever he is ready she is willing to listen.That's what makes their friendship so diff/special they kno each other enough to push when its right and to back off when needed.That's why I think she gave him the hero needs savin speech and then left.To let him think she knows he'll tell when he's ready,and I think she knows it was more to what he said.He seemd shocked when talkin to her so she knows it must have scared clark sum,plus wit her worryin about him could u blame him for not wantin to scare her even more.He was already confused can't have her worried too.So I agree,if she is really upset she could change how much she helps him,but she wont cause she does respect him.I think its more tha fans that get upset at their interaction lately than those 2.

Well, it's like what you said before, TPTB are setting up a fight between these two. I'm just not liking the way that it is being setup, it just doesn't show any maturity and realism, but hey, what can I expect from TPTB these days.

D.M.A.

11-17-2006, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I agree that chloe needs to move on from clark and she is doing that with jimmy. chloe does not have that puppy dog look when she longs for clark anymore.
But clark needs to stop relying on chloe to solve any mystery. He will always be a big dumb alien if he can solve anything without chloe.
But that's the thing she hasn't moved on,tryin yes but hasn't done so jus yet.Plus if she doesn't hang around clark she becomes useless,plus no one wants the chlark friendship to change.So why does she have to stop hangin around him now,showin her distant from clark means less time for clark as seen in static.Its bad enough lexana plays a bigger role than clark on the show,even loillie r playin a bigger role than clark.So havin chlimmy would be even less clark.There is a way 2 have them stick by each other while chloe has a life,jus as lexana but tptb dont seem to care as much about clark this season.He is the bplot in almost every episode this season except the premiere.But I disagree wit her movin on and havin a life of her own without clark,cause she can do that wit him.All that does imo is jus cut out the possibility of romantic chlark,but havin them around each other doesn't necessary mean romantic chlark as we all kno.Besides wit jimmy tryin to compete wit clark to chloe like in static and her showin her concerns about clark,its obvious that tptb can't write her without bein around clark.Those 2 r meant to be even if jus friends,they r a team no need to change what does still work on the show.Its bad enough clark doesn't get enough screentime now :rolleyes:

ShelbyKent

11-17-2006, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
The Chlimmy was far better in this episode, and a nice break from the Days Of Our Lives that is Lexana. I didn't really mind it at all.

I agree. The Chlimmy was one of the highlights of this episode for me. Jimmy manned-up and was very cool. Good for Chloe for getting a guy who's easy-going (Clark could be such a drama queen lol!), could be counted on during crunch time, and who's really into her.

I also like Chloe's outfits, especially the one she wore when they were checking out level 33.1. They're very trendy. It had the victorian motif/details (puffed sleeves, lace material, high collar) that I see a lot in the fashion mags.

bucketofwater

11-17-2006, 11:19 PM

I think the Chloe & Jimmy Jr. Detective plot is super stupid. Chloe should be helping Clark fullfill his desitny and then she should be helping him "relax". That's what we all want to see - Mad Clark/Chloe love makin!

Clark can trust Chloe. He knows it, she knows it. Let's just have them throw down and then she can get a job away from SV and they can be long distance "friends" until his feelings for Lois get too strong. Then Chloe, being the strong woman she is will also find someone else. But they will still hook up on the sly from time to time when Clark is tired of Lois's *****ing and needs to let off some steam.

That's right! I'm requesting that they tramp out Chloe. You all want it and you know it!

InLove_with_Chloe

11-18-2006, 04:58 AM

D.M.A.

11-18-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I totally agree. I think Chloe was pretty much OOC in that scene. Someone suggested she wanted Clark to find Lex because of Lana's pregnancy. However, that's kinda a weak reason, IMO... Chloe should have been the one pushing Clark to go, that was poor writing.
Well imo it wasn't because of lana pregnacy but more so she was worried clark couldn't handle this zoner.Atleast in sv clark had resources and help from others,on the westcoast tho if sumthin happen to him no one would be there to help.She was worried that she could lose clark,jus as lana felt she could lose lex.Imo it was forshadowin to who's close to the girls,chloe didn't want him to leave cause he could get hurt/die,which is why she said out loud infront of jimmy wheres clark when u need him.Plus him not returnin her calls gave her reasons to worry so I think it was more of her wantin clark to stay cause she didn't kno if he'd make it back or not,than helpin lana cause she's pregnant

Originally posted by bucketofwater
That's right! I'm requesting that they tramp out Chloe. You all want it and you know it!
No comment :D

eas

11-18-2006, 01:56 PM

Chloe should have left Clark alone. He just saw bags fulls of human remains & had a mystery person save his life. He had a lot weighing on his mind, and that was why he wasn't returning her calls. When he told her he didn't want to talk, she pushed him because she felt that she had a right to know. But the fact is, she doesn't. There are some burdens he doesn't want to share. And that's his perogative. He had every right to get snippy with her and, as his good friend, she should be able to see that he was trying to deal with something by himself. It's not like this "keeping everthing inside" Clark is new. And he wasn't rude to her to start out with - he only responded that way because she kept pushing.

And I have no clue why Chloe should have pushed him to save Lex. It makes no sense. Clark had a choice between saving dozens on innocent lives in Seattle or sticking around to save one bald billionaire. It was a no-brainer. The fact is that even Clark can't be in two places at once and, once he's Superman, he'll have to make a choice every day on who he'll save and who he won't. This was just another example of that. And Clark made the right decision. Chloe was 100% wrong in this case.

I was very proud of Clark in this episode. He was very decisive and worked really well by himself.

Chlimmy scenes were fun, though. It was funny to see her being the spectator while someone else did the Super!Explanation thing on her. She handled it really well - with grace and humor. I liked that. And I continue to think that Chlimmy ship is fun to watch and cute. It really is. She lights up around Jimmy and laughs a lot. I like that.

khufu

11-18-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by eas
Chloe should have left Clark alone. He just saw bags fulls of human remains & had a mystery person save his life. He had a lot weighing on his mind, and that was why he wasn't returning her calls. When he told her he didn't want to talk, she pushed him because she felt that she had a right to know. But the fact is, she doesn't. There are some burdens he doesn't want to share. And that's his perogative. He had every right to get snippy with her and, as his good friend, she should be able to see that he was trying to deal with something by himself. It's not like this "keeping everthing inside" Clark is new. And he wasn't rude to her to start out with - he only responded that way because she kept pushing.Yeah but you need to understand that Chloe wasn't there. So it's hard for her to really appreciate the gravity of the situation. We, the audience, got to see everything that took place and how it all went down, but she did not. So it doesn't make sense to expect her to react as you suggest. But even still, when it was clear that he didn't want to talk about it, she gave him one last bit of encouragement and then left - she didn't call him an ass, she didn't get angry, and she didn't pout. She just left him to think on his own.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-18-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by khufu
she didn't call him an ass

Oh, I am waiting for that one, believe me...

bucketofwater

11-18-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by eas
Chloe should have left Clark alone. He just saw bags fulls of human remains & had a mystery person save his life. He had a lot weighing on his mind, and that was why he wasn't returning her calls. When he told her he didn't want to talk, she pushed him because she felt that she had a right to know. But the fact is, she doesn't. There are some burdens he doesn't want to share. And that's his perogative. He had every right to get snippy with her and, as his good friend, she should be able to see that he was trying to deal with something by himself. It's not like this "keeping everthing inside" Clark is new. And he wasn't rude to her to start out with - he only responded that way because she kept pushing.

I couldn't disagree more. I am so sick of Clark keeping everything to himself. I get it Clark, you are lonely. He's keeping Chloe at an arms length because of her relationship with Jimmy. He's pouting and "punishing" her for not pining after him anymore. He needs to get over it and understand that her friendship is important.

And I think that Chloe does understand that his mission is to take care of the Zoners. She only cares for him and wants him to be careful. When somebody cares about you they don't just say let things go if you tell them things are alright, but they can read your body language and know that something is bothing you. She is being a GOOD FRIEND and Clark is being a retard, BDA.

BadToad

11-18-2006, 09:08 PM

I couldn't disagree more. I am so sick of Clark keeping everything to himself.

Funny, last season weren't Chloe fans upset that Clark was pouring out his heart to Chloe over his failing/failed relationship with Lana? Now he's the devil because he wants to keep things bottled up inside himself?

He's keeping Chloe at an arms length because of her relationship with Jimmy. He's pouting and "punishing" her for not pining after him anymore. He needs to get over it and understand that her friendship is important.

Where has there been even the slightest indication that Clark is "punishing" Chloe due to her relationship with Jimmy? Or that he's upset because she isn't pining over him? When did he ever seem to be into her pining over him? We had one episode, ONE, where he didn't want to talk about something. In a very understandable situation. And suddenly he's pushing her away because he's pouting over her relationship? What basis is there for this claim?

And even if you believed that Clark was withdrawing a bit from Chloe due to her new relationship, could that be because Clark might want to give her some space and time to hang out with her new boyfriend? Without him being the wet blanket/third wheel? He's already seen that Jimmy gets insecure with him being around. This was made clear in 2 episodes that Clark was witness to, "Zod" and "Wither", and even "Static" made it clear that Jimmy sees Clark as a threat and rival. So, instead of burning Clark on the cross, might it be that he's trying to be a good friend to Chloe by NOT being an obstacle to her new romance?

Again, Clark is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. He's either expecting too much of Chloe, and impeding her from having a life. Or, he's a terrible friend because he wants some time to himself, and wants to keep some details to himself, so he must be pushing Chloe away and jealous that she likes Jimmy instead of him :rolleyes:

When somebody cares about you they don't just say let things go if you tell them things are alright, but they can read your body language and know that something is bothing you.

And part of being a good friend is recognizing when someone needs a little space. Or just doesn't feel like talking at the moment.

She is being a GOOD FRIEND and Clark is being a retard, BDA.

Yeah, the name calling thing never gets old :rolleyes:

HotStudsSuccess

11-18-2006, 09:17 PM

I think Chloe, in someways doesn't want Clark to grow up that means he will someday don't need her anymore at the Tor... I mean Daily Plane.

Like how Martha feels. I am thankful that Clark is doing this by himself he needs to grow up his in College, not High School anymore.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-18-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by HotStu***uccess
I think Chloe, in someways doesn't want Clark to grow up that means he will someday don't need her anymore at the Tor... I mean Daily Plane.
I never got that impression...:confused:
Things on SV would be much easier if Clark would lighten up a little and not always assume the worst. I mean, that guy just worries too much. Period.

chlo-el

11-18-2006, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by HotStu***uccess
I think Chloe, in someways doesn't want Clark to grow up that means he will someday don't need her anymore at the Tor... I mean Daily Plane.

I do feel like Clark is starting to grow up and a little more and doing things on his own. But no matter how mature someone is you still need friends. Clark seems to be emphasizing doing things more and more on his own. He is starting to accept his destiny but in the process he is isolating himself. But that's nothing new he has always pushed people away to try to be noble.

myankskent

11-18-2006, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I never got that impression...:confused:
Things on SV would be much easier if Clark would lighten up a little and not always assume the worst. I mean, that guy just worries too much. Period.

The guy just got thrown in the phantom zone last season, managed to escape and now there are criminals running wild all over the world and Clark worries too much? He should worry.

Originally posted by bucketofwater
I couldn't disagree more. I am so sick of Clark keeping everything to himself.

This is just outrageous. Clark keeps everything to himself? Chloe knows about 95 percent of what is going on in Clark's kryptonian life and he keeps everything to himself. I don't see how that's true at all.

And I think that Chloe does understand that his mission is to take care of the Zoners. She only cares for him and wants him to be careful. When somebody cares about you they don't just say let things go if you tell them things are alright, but they can read your body language and know that something is bothing you. She is being a GOOD FRIEND and Clark is being a retard, BDA.

Chloe is being a good friend, but Clark is entitled to keep things to himself. Superman works alone anyway. The fact that he didn't tell Chloe every single little detail, big deal. And also, in Zod, Clark had just gotten out of the phantom zone and Chloe seemed more interested in taking a little stroll to the vending machine with Jimmy than hearing about his little experience. So now Clark decides to be a little short with her. Now they're even.

Originally posted by khufu
But even still, when it was clear that he didn't want to talk about it, she gave him one last bit of encouragement and then left - she didn't call him an ass, she didn't get angry, and she didn't pout. She just left him to think on his own.

Exactly. This scene wasn't that big of a deal. Perhaps down the road, this will become more of an issue but right now, I don't see the big deal in that conversation.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-18-2006, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
The guy just got thrown in the phantom zone last season, managed to escape and now there are criminals running wild all over the world and Clark worries too much? He should worry.

Why? Things turned out OK, didn't they?
He should draw some confidence from that. He's obviously not that bad at what he does...

myankskent

11-18-2006, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Why? Things turned out OK, didn't they?
He should draw some confidence from that. He's obviously not that bad at what he does...

Things in this episode turned out ok because the MM saved Clark's a$$. And the fact that there are still more criminals out there, Clark can't exactly sit back and relax just yet. Plus, he has no idea who the MM is and why he is all of a sudden helping him and then conveniently flying off without saying a word. He also knows that the guy paid a visit to his loft. MM being a good guy or not, I wouldn't want anyone stalking me and leaving oreo cookies on the floor at my house.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-19-2006, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by myankskent
He also knows that the guy paid a visit to his loft.
YOU REALLY THINK CLARK GOT THAT???
I doubt it...
I mean, all he found was a cookie.
He may have thought 'Hmmmmm, oreo.' For all I know...

D.M.A.

11-19-2006, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by khufu
Yeah but you need to understand that Chloe wasn't there. So it's hard for her to really appreciate the gravity of the situation. We, the audience, got to see everything that took place and how it all went down, but she did not. So it doesn't make sense to expect her to react as you suggest. But even still, when it was clear that he didn't want to talk about it, she gave him one last bit of encouragement and then left - she didn't call him an ass, she didn't get angry, and she didn't pout. She just left him to think on his own.
I agree she wasn't there she doesn't kno how bad the site was,all she knows is clark was alright for w/e reasons.So she wanted him to open up,but once she saw he wasn't she tried to encourage him then she left him to think.Which is why he was gonna go after her,cause he knew she wasn't tryin to be forceful,she jus didn't understand.Clark was confused and chloe didn't kno how bad things were,so I dont fault either for the way they acted.So I agree,she acted like anyone would in that situation imo

eas

11-19-2006, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by bucketofwater
I couldn't disagree more. I am so sick of Clark keeping everything to himself. I get it Clark, you are lonely. He's keeping Chloe at an arms length because of her relationship with Jimmy. He's pouting and "punishing" her for not pining after him anymore. He needs to get over it and understand that her friendship is important.

And I think that Chloe does understand that his mission is to take care of the Zoners. She only cares for him and wants him to be careful. When somebody cares about you they don't just say let things go if you tell them things are alright, but they can read your body language and know that something is bothing you. She is being a GOOD FRIEND and Clark is being a retard, BDA.

Wow, I haven't seen it that way at all. I cannot understand why on earth Clark would want to "punish" Chloe for being with Jimmy Olsen. We've gotten nothing from him to indicate that. And if he is doing that? There is no way this guy is growing up to be Superman. We should all be very scared for his character development.

If Clark is a good friend, he's happy for Chloe that she's found someone who makes her happy. Regardless of his feelings for her. And I think he is genuinely happy for her. This scene had nothng to do with Jimmy. I think that "romantic love triangles" was the furthest thing from his mind after what he'd seen in Seattle.

She wasn't being a good friend, imo. She was being nosy and she was hurt that Clark didn't want to give her nitty-gritty details. Clark was being normal -- a guy who was overwhelmed and needed time to process things. It's a very normal thing to do & she was pushing him when he clearly didn't want to be pushed. That doesn't mean that he won't share the details with her in the future. He probably will. But, in that moment, he wanted to be left alone. And he right to feel that way.

It had nothing to do with Jimmy or Chloe's love life, and it's a far reach to make it about that.

And Clark was far from a "retard" in this episode. He was acting like Superman. It was Chloe who was holding him back in the beginning of the episode.

chlo-el

11-19-2006, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by eas
Wow, I haven't seen it that way at all. I cannot understand why on earth Clark would want to "punish" Chloe for being with Jimmy Olsen. We've gotten nothing from him to indicate that. And if he is doing that? There is no way this guy is growing up to be Superman. We should all be very scared for his character development.

If Clark is a good friend, he's happy for Chloe that she's found someone who makes her happy. Regardless of his feelings for her. And I think he is genuinely happy for her. This scene had nothng to do with Jimmy. I think that "romantic love triangles" was the furthest thing from his mind after what he'd seen in Seattle.

She wasn't being a good friend, imo. She was being nosy and she was hurt that Clark didn't want to give her nitty-gritty details. Clark was being normal -- a guy who was overwhelmed and needed time to process things. It's a very normal thing to do & she was pushing him when he clearly didn't want to be pushed. That doesn't mean that he won't share the details with her in the future. He probably will. But, in that moment, he wanted to be left alone. And he right to feel that way.

It had nothing to do with Jimmy or Chloe's love life, and it's a far reach to make it about that.

And Clark was far from a "retard" in this episode. He was acting like Superman. It was Chloe who was holding him back in the beginning of the episode.

Yeah, I was surprised that Chloe was holding him back in this. She is usually thet one who pushes him to lean towards steps of being a hero. But I think she was afraid of losing Clark to the heroic cause. And she seems to be afraid of losing Clark to his isolation. I think she was being a good friend because after seeing something aweful it's good to be able to talk about it and have a shoulder to cry on.
And she did said even heroes need saving. She just wants to save him from isolation.

khufu

11-19-2006, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by chlo-el
Yeah, I was surprised that Chloe was holding him back in this. She is usually thet one who pushes him to lean towards steps of being a hero.She absolutely is. And that wasn't the only OOC moment in this episode either. However you interpret the last scene, I think most people would agree that it at least seemed "off". And Chloe also asked Lana at the end about not being able to prove 33.1 was not there - which doesn't seem like something Chloe would ever say. Similarly, while I did like Jimmy, even he was a little inconsistent, in that he didn't come off as naive as they have been portraying him. And all of this I attribute to the fact that both the writers and the director were new. I imagine it must be pretty difficult to come into a series that's in its 6th season and start to write characters without the audience sensing that something is different - this was certainly the case with Chloe.

jmf1977

11-19-2006, 06:19 PM

As someone else wrote on this board, there are 3 main characters in SV - Clark, Lana and Lex. I do like the Chloe character I just think she needs some time apart from being joined at the hip with Clark. Lana is in a story line independent of Clark directly, but she is still involved with Clark's story. I would like to see something else like Chloe and Jimmy doing there own investigating of level 33.1. In terms of the last scene, I would agree with other posters that Clark needed space and it appeared that Chloe was being nosy and demanding. I find it intesting that there is the possibility that "secrets and lies" could end up affecting the Chlark reationship, just as it affected the Clana relationship. If this plays out, I think it will be interesting to see how their relationship moves forward from that point. Chloe will finally get a small taste of what Lana had to deal with while they were together, though it will obviously be different. Finally we could see Chloe go through something for knowing the secret. After all this was the main reason that Clark could not be honest with Lana. It all comes back to the writers and the crap they continually spew out. Bad writing and lack of charcter development is hurting this season in my opinion. This applies to all characters on the show.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-19-2006, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by jmf1977
I find it intesting that there is the possibility that "secrets and lies" could end up affecting the Chlark reationship, just as it affected the Clana relationship. If this plays out, I think it will be interesting to see how their relationship moves forward from that point.
Oh, I think Clark and Chloe are way beyond that point. There have been many secrets and lies between them, and their friendship has overcome all those problems. No danger there, IMO...

Originally posted by jmf1977
Bad writing and lack of charcter development is hurting this season in my opinion. This applies to all characters on the show.
Unfortunately, you're right, IMO...
But that's nothing new, is it?

bucketofwater

11-19-2006, 08:28 PM

Okay, so I put "punish" in the quotations because it was for lack of a better term. Didn't any of you see how lonely Clark was at Thanksgiving. It was a mixed bag for him. He was surrounded by his family and friends, but he was very alone. Aside from all these dinner guests who seem to have someone else for them, Clark has been isolated from Jor-El and the FOS. His loneliness is at the very heart of why he is pushing Chloe away. It is just compounded by her new relationship with Jimmy. And yes, Jimmy should be a little intimidated by Clark. Chloe had a huge thing for him for a long time and they are have been really good friends.

Without Jor El or Jonatha, Chlark needs someone he can trust to bounce ideas off and who can help him make the hard choices. Chloe is the best person to do that.

Oh yea, and Clark does ALWAYS keep things to himself. He kept his secret from his best friend Pete, until he couldn't anymore. He kept his secret from Lex. He kept all sorts of secrets from the Kents until he eventually had to fess up and he has never told Lana the truth about who he is. Clark is all about secrets. The fact that has trusted Chloe the last season was so refreshing and honest. It has been the best part of the last 2 seasons and really opened his character up to a lot of joy.

D.M.A.

11-19-2006, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by bucketofwater
Okay, so I put "punish" in the quotations because it was for lack of a better term. Didn't any of you see how lonely Clark was at Thanksgiving. It was a mixed bag for him. He was surrounded by his family and friends, but he was very alone. Aside from all these dinner guests who seem to have someone else for them, Clark has been isolated from Jor-El and the FOS. His loneliness is at the very heart of why he is pushing Chloe away. It is just compounded by her new relationship with Jimmy. And yes, Jimmy should be a little intimidated by Clark. Chloe had a huge thing for him for a long time and they are have been really good friends.

Without Jor El or Jonatha, Chlark needs someone he can trust to bounce ideas off and who can help him make the hard choices. Chloe is the best person to do that.

Oh yea, and Clark does ALWAYS keep things to himself. He kept his secret from his best friend Pete, until he couldn't anymore. He kept his secret from Lex. He kept all sorts of secrets from the Kents until he eventually had to fess up and he has never told Lana the truth about who he is. Clark is all about secrets. The fact that has trusted Chloe the last season was so refreshing and honest. It has been the best part of the last 2 seasons and really opened his character up to a lot of joy.
I agree,clark's loneliness is what's pushin her away he feels he's alone and everyone has moved on so when she tries to be there for him he wont let her.That will lead to their fight cause they both have sum thing bottle up inside,but I agree.And ur right jimmy has a right to be jealous,I dont think she told him about luvin clark for so long so jimmy is jus assumin that they had sumthin goin on.He is worried that there may be feelings there from both,so he gets alil jealous at times I dont blame him :D .As for clark keepin secrets ur right again,that seems to be common wit him,so I agree havin him open up to chloe last season was refreshin cause it was diff comin from clark.Even when pete knew or even his parents he was never as open as he was wit chloe,but still clark has been secretive over the yrs.Thats jus him,it'll all come out in their fight but sumthin else will comeout to.I think jimmy was on to sumthin when he question chloe about her closeness to clark :D

InLove_with_Chloe

11-19-2006, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by bucketofwater
The fact that has trusted Chloe the last season was so refreshing and honest. It has been the best part of the last 2 seasons and really opened his character up to a lot of joy.
Very well said.
I totally agree...

margroks

11-20-2006, 11:14 AM

I think on the one hand, Clark was kinda shell shocked and perhaps wanted to spare Chloe the gruesome details. But he was a world class jerk not to have called her to say he was ok. And as far as the MM, there was no secret identitiy to protect so any details about that would be no betrayal of a confidence. Or perhaps Clark is withdrawing in fear that Chloe will be hurt if she's too close to him, with this unkown entity on the loose.

Frankly, I'd like to see Chloe give both Clark and Lana the big smackdown.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-20-2006, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by margroks
Frankly, I'd like to see Chloe give both Clark and Lana the big smackdown.
Same here, same here.
They both had it coming, IMO...

D.M.A.

11-20-2006, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Same here, same here.
They both had it coming, IMO...
true but only clark is deservin of forgiveness I dont think lana needs to be forgivin if they fallout.Cause imo they've never been close only tied together thru clark,so if she wants to be wit lex fine but chloe shouldn't put up wit her if she insults her.So I agree they both have it comin but chloe is too forgivin she needs to make ppl understand why she gets upset so they can really be sincere in their apologies and not jus say it cause they need sumthin from her.Clark will realize how much she means to him,help him out so his apology will be sincere but can we say the same if she gets into it wit lana?

InLove_with_Chloe

11-21-2006, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
Clark will realize how much she means to him,help him out so his apology will be sincere but can we say the same if she gets into it wit lana?
No, you're right. I enjoyed recent Chlana, but Chloe and Lana might drift apart again, that's true. Especially if there was Chlark happening. I mean, the two girls would be awkward around each other then, I guess...

D.M.A.

11-21-2006, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
No, you're right. I enjoyed recent Chlana, but Chloe and Lana might drift apart again, that's true. Especially if there was Chlark happening. I mean, the two girls would be awkward around each other then, I guess...
So havin them fall out over level 33.1 would be perfect then,so they'll already be at odds.Cause if chlark were to date lana would question chloe jus as lex did in s4 finale about chloe must kno clark secret if she's wit him.So yea they may drift apart even more startin wit level 33.1 and then even more if chlark were to hookup.Lana doesn't admit it but she's always been jealous of how close chlark were,she even says to chloe that clark has always been more comfortable talkin to her instead.So she'll kno that chloe must kno the secret and demand it from her,which would be good cause by that time chloe will have info on level 33.1 and lana will be deep on the darkside by lex side.So it could happen,if so then the signs of a future fight in static between the girls makes sense.Cause there were never close to begin wit imo

chlo-el

11-21-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
So havin them fall out over level 33.1 would be perfect then,so they'll already be at odds.Cause if chlark were to date lana would question chloe jus as lex did in s4 finale about chloe must kno clark secret if she's wit him.So yea they may drift apart even more startin wit level 33.1 and then even more if chlark were to hookup.Lana doesn't admit it but she's always been jealous of how close chlark were,she even says to chloe that clark has always been more comfortable talkin to her instead.So she'll kno that chloe must kno the secret and demand it from her,which would be good cause by that time chloe will have info on level 33.1 and lana will be deep on the darkside by lex side.So it could happen,if so then the signs of a future fight in static between the girls makes sense.Cause there were never close to begin wit imo

I do think that Chloe and Lana will have a fall out over 33.1. And Lana will be even more on Lex's side. I don't see Chloe giving up on the friendship too easily. She will struggle over it. I really do think they have grown close throughout the years. Since Chloe is working really hard to perserve her friendship with Lana. She did try to protect her from Lex and did threaten him if he hurt Lana Chloe would make him pay. And she has tried real hard not to get the middle of Clark and Lana. But I do think that this 33.1 thing will force Chloe to finally choose between Lana and Clark. and of course she'll choose Clark.

D.M.A.

11-21-2006, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by chlo-el
I do think that Chloe and Lana will have a fall out over 33.1. And Lana will be even more on Lex's side. I don't see Chloe giving up on the friendship too easily. She will struggle over it. I really do think they have grown close throughout the years. Since Chloe is working really hard to perserve her friendship with Lana. She did try to protect her from Lex and did threaten him if he hurt Lana Chloe would make him pay. And she has tried real hard not to get the middle of Clark and Lana. But I do think that this 33.1 thing will force Chloe to finally choose between Lana and Clark. and of course she'll choose Clark.
I agree level 33.1 will make her pick sides but I think those were already picked up last season.We saw in s7 after splinter imo that it was a setup of chlark vs lexana,and so far this season it seems we'll get the same.Ur right chloe is the type to try to save her friendship wit lana but I do think at sum point she will notice lana actions changin and her becomin jus as evil as lex.Cause lana will stick by lex side and I have a feelin she'll do sumthin underhanded towards chloe and chloe will let go of savin the friendship.But I agree its a setup of chlark vs lexana,cause chloe will pick clark anyday.

dave73085

11-22-2006, 11:43 AM

^ I don't see any good reason why Lana and Chloe are still friends. I guess just out of the goodness of Chloe's heart. Their friendship is so one-sided: Lana has no one else to confide in so she goes to Chloe when she has some big problem she needs help or advice with and that's pretty much it.

That said, I look forward to Chloe being right and putting Lana in her place about 33.1.

D.M.A.

11-22-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by dave73085
^ I don't see any good reason why Lana and Chloe are still friends. I guess just out of the goodness of Chloe's heart. Their friendship is so one-sided: Lana has no one else to confide in so she goes to Chloe when she has some big problem she needs help or advice with and that's pretty much it.

That said, I look forward to Chloe being right and putting Lana in her place about 33.1.
I think many r lookin forward to chloe/level 33.1

InLove_with_Chloe

11-24-2006, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I think many r lookin forward to chloe/level 33.1
Yeah, me too...

D.M.A.

11-24-2006, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, me too...
and the demise of chlimmy/the start of chlark late s6...I jus had to add that in :D .But naw I think alot r waitin for level 33.1 to become big this season

Old Juan

11-24-2006, 09:21 PM

I agree that Clark is not obligated to tell Chloe everything. Chloe seemed to be fine, gave him her encouragement and left.

The only Chloe thing that really bothered me in the episode was her trying to tell him not to go to Seattle after Lana's phone call, it was way OOC for her given that she regularly tries encourage Clark to do more with his powers. This was simply bad writing plain and simple.

D.M.A.

11-25-2006, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Old Juan
I agree that Clark is not obligated to tell Chloe everything. Chloe seemed to be fine, gave him her encouragement and left.

The only Chloe thing that really bothered me in the episode was her trying to tell him not to go to Seattle after Lana's phone call, it was way OOC for her given that she regularly tries encourage Clark to do more with his powers. This was simply bad writing plain and simple.
Well I would have thought that if she hadn't shown her concerns for clark thruout the epi later on(Walkin wit jimmy,talkin to clark in the loft).So I dont think it was ooc since it was followed up as her jus bein concern cause clark could get killed.Plus wit him bein far away not knowin about the zoner she worried that was understandable.She made it clear she didn't want him to go,he had to reassure her that he was fine cause he had the crystal(Lil did they both kno it wouldn't help).So her comments in the loft about the cellphone/not returnin calls madeup for her quick ooc moment.It made her earlier comments about leavin more believable imo cause we saw thruout the episode that chloe was worried about clark tho lex was out there still missin.Imo it jus showed that chloe needs clark jus as much as he needs her,cause she looked as if she was defenseless wit findin lex,she needed help and thought she couldn't do it herself.Yes she got help from jimmy but she looked down when clark chose to leave cause I dont think she knew she could do it alone.It jus showed many diff emotions from her to me,she still seem to encourage him at the end but seemed worried that she may lose him as well.Atleast that's what I got from her reactions in static

InLove_with_Chloe

11-26-2006, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Old Juan
The only Chloe thing that really bothered me in the episode was her trying to tell him not to go to Seattle after Lana's phone call, it was way OOC for her given that she regularly tries encourage Clark to do more with his powers. This was simply bad writing plain and simple.
Amen to that.

D.M.A.

11-26-2006, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Amen to that.
:lol: well the writin is always questionable about sumone every week :lol:

InLove_with_Chloe

11-26-2006, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
:lol: well the writin is always questionable about sumone every week :lol:
Yeah, but they usually didn't make these OOC mistakes with Chloe. Now suddenly they do...

D.M.A.

11-26-2006, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, but they usually didn't make these OOC mistakes with Chloe. Now suddenly they do...
True but it shouldn't suprise ppl since they do it to all the characters sumtimes.And tho her first reactions at the beginnin were ooc her comments/concerns later on towards the end madeup for it.Imo it jus showed that she was really concern for clark and afraid that for once he could get hurt.Atleast wit findin lex he wouldn't be in as much danger,and it also showed that she didn't think she could find lex on her own(Which we saw she couldn't).So tho the beginnin was alil ooc I thought the writers atleast tried to fix it later on in the epi,by her reactions to clark not bein around.

chlo-el

11-26-2006, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
True but it shouldn't suprise ppl since they do it to all the characters sumtimes.And tho her first reactions at the beginnin were ooc her comments/concerns later on towards the end madeup for it.Imo it jus showed that she was really concern for clark and afraid that for once he could get hurt.Atleast wit findin lex he wouldn't be in as much danger,and it also showed that she didn't think she could find lex on her own(Which we saw she couldn't).So tho the beginnin was alil ooc I thought the writers atleast tried to fix it later on in the epi,by her reactions to clark not bein around.

I think Chloe's OOC moments in Static were to show that their dynamic was changing. It seemed to show Clarks moving more towards his destiny and away from his friends. And to show that Chloe see's that Clark is doing this and she's not thrilled about it. This episode showed how much she cared and was afraid for him. Usually she does push towards doing heroic things but the things he was up against were scary and she was afraid for Clarks safety. And think she was afraid of losing him to him to becoing a hero. Afraid that he was starting to isolate himself from her as well. The first scene OOC for Chloe but then the rest of her scenes seemed to explain her actions and showed her fear.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-26-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by chlo-el
I think Chloe's OOC moments in Static were to show that their dynamic was changing. It seemed to show Clarks moving more towards his destiny and away from his friends. And to show that Chloe see's that Clark is doing this and she's not thrilled about it. This episode showed how much she cared and was afraid for him. Usually she does push towards doing heroic things but the things he was up against were scary and she was afraid for Clarks safety. And think she was afraid of losing him to him to becoing a hero. Afraid that he was starting to isolate himself from her as well. The first scene OOC for Chloe but then the rest of her scenes seemed to explain her actions and showed her fear.
Hmmm, you may be right. I am not too thrilled about their relationship changing to the worse, i.e. Clark distancing himself emotionally from his friends. I don't think I'd like it if TPTB went that way... But it's still better than them growing more distant/their friendhip suffering, as some Cloisers are proposing...

khufu

11-26-2006, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, but they usually didn't make these OOC mistakes with Chloe. Now suddenly they do... Static was the debut of two new writers and and new director. So a few OOC moments in that episode do not come as a suprise to me.

D.M.A.

11-26-2006, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by chlo-el
I think Chloe's OOC moments in Static were to show that their dynamic was changing. It seemed to show Clarks moving more towards his destiny and away from his friends. And to show that Chloe see's that Clark is doing this and she's not thrilled about it. This episode showed how much she cared and was afraid for him. Usually she does push towards doing heroic things but the things he was up against were scary and she was afraid for Clarks safety. And think she was afraid of losing him to him to becoing a hero. Afraid that he was starting to isolate himself from her as well. The first scene OOC for Chloe but then the rest of her scenes seemed to explain her actions and showed her fear.
ya see u seemed to say that much better than me,but yea that's what I was tryin to say.She was jus worried and ur right her first scene wit him was ooc but her actions later explain her actions better.It was fear as u stated that she could lose him this time against the zoners,and how he was isolating himself from her now.It does show a change in their dynamic but I think their future fight will clear things up and get them back on track like s5 chlark.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-27-2006, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by khufu
Static was the debut of two new writers and and new director. So a few OOC moments in that episode do not come as a suprise to me.
Good point.
Sometimes it's the easiest explanation that fits the best...
:rolleyes:

D.M.A.

11-27-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Good point.
Sometimes it's the easiest explanation that fits the best...
:rolleyes:
:lol: yea its always seem easier to blame the writin but I dont truly fault them since I think they tried to justify her early reactions later on thruout the epi.

boogiebear

11-27-2006, 02:21 PM

It is easy to forget that Clark has always needed his friends to get his "work" done. Whether it was Jimmy, Lois, his parents, Krypto, friends from JLA, or where ever he needs people. It is just that need for human friends in his life that makes him so human. Yes he needs to think for himself, and not depend on the higher thought functions to be handled by Chloe(writers fault not Clark's), but I hope the writers never pull him away from his friends. My favorite comics/shows about Superman was when he was working a mystery with his friends. He does not need to pull away from Chloe. He does need to learn how to find out what he is capable of, and what to do with it.

InLove_with_Chloe

12-01-2006, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by boogiebear
It is just that need for human friends in his life that makes him so human.
That's very true.
We shouldn't be upset at him for relying on his friends...
If only he 'relied' on Chloe some more, romantically I mean...
;)

D.M.A.

12-01-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
That's very true.
We shouldn't be upset at him for relying on his friends...
If only he 'relied' on Chloe some more, romantically I mean...
;)
True but first he needs to fix this awkwardness they have between them first then he can process his feelings.So hopefully their fight/makeup will do jus that and get them back on track.Cause right now there r alot of things left unspoken and we can only guess how they feel but he needs to speakup soon before he really is alone.She's tryin to be there for him even puttin him over her own bf,so its ok to rely on her when she wants to help.So I agree he should rely on her more romantically but only after he fixes the tension in their friendship at the moment.So hydro should change their dynamic and have them insync again

CK&CK

12-03-2006, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Nospam
I thought Clark's treatment of Chloe in the loft was ridiculous. She's busting her tail helping him track down the Zoners and then he shuts her out at the end. He essentially told her what happened anyway but he chose to say it in the worst possible way.

I agree that the Jimmy and Chloe scoobying was great, and with Lana of all people. I also concur that a Chlana showdown, possibly over Lex or maybe over 33.1, was hinted at.

I agree with you about Clark's attitude being ridiculous.....even despite his seeing some really intense stuff.....it still wasn't justifiable the way it came accross. If Chloe had never helped him at all, let alone been witness to some pretty intense stuff herself....that scene might have worked....but instead it just left Clark looking bad.

Clark: "Tell me everything you can find out that will help me with whatever I'm doing at the moment.....but when it's over, I don't have to tell you jack.....you got a problem with that Chloe?"

Chloe: "No I don't Clark.....but what say I don't tell you JACK from the very beginning......it'll save time.......for me at least".

As far as the Chimmy Scoobying....I couldn't disagree more...it was like watching Dr. Watson expertly solve the crime instead of Sherlock Holmes....anybody else, ehh, maybe I could buy it, but not Jimmy boy....unless doing something as simple as fetching a cup of coffee leads to solving a case.....besides it made Chloe look like an idiot with regards to frequencies which she is definitely not (she used a frequency jamming device to help defeat Mitzipitlik in Season four's JINX). And I don't really care if she ends up with the BDA anymore, but if they keep pushing this Chimmy crap, I'll have to start lobbying even harder for TPTB to kill off our pathetic little blonde.

You know....I've always thought it was pretty cool that Chloe had the double LL's that all the other girls have (SuLLivan), but all that stands for to me now is "Loser in Love".