MB is back. Oh is he back.

[Nospam]

Deleting files off of Chloe's computer? Check. Pulling 33.1 from under Lex as a veiled attempt at reconciliation? Check. Thinly veiled threats to Chloe? Check.

What a Magnificent Bastard. I guess he won't be invited to the Kent's for Thanksgiving anytime soon.

[myankskent]

He was the saving grace in this episode. Clearly he would never give Chloe any dirt on LuthorCorp. The only bad thing about this episode is that it uses up yet another appearance for John Glover which means that the second half of this season is going to have less of him, probably to make room for some more sappy lexana scenes...wedding planning anyone? I'm sure that's the big arc for the second half.

[look_ma_no_pants]

haha yes! it was so nice to see him back, controlling the situation. so cool.

[shy175223]

yes, the MB is definitely back or he never left.

[jimmyolsenblues]

as I said in another thread.
I did not know how much I missed him until he said, Make me your full partner.

[biaaly]

I knew he never left! Pssh! Please, I kept saying his nice guy routine was a total act and that he was going to wind up burning everyone, haha

[Coyote]

Lionel was cool in this ep. I liked when he nailed Chloe's computer. It's about time somebody did that. But I'm thinking he's just playing along with Lex to find out more about what Lex is up to.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by myankskent
He was the saving grace in this episode. Clearly he would never give Chloe any dirt on LuthorCorp. The only bad thing about this episode is that it uses up yet another appearance for John Glover which means that the second half of this season is going to have less of him, probably to make room for some more sappy lexana scenes...wedding planning anyone? I'm sure that's the big arc for the second half.

Strange. When Lionel did the Jekyll and Hyde routine on Chloe I knew you and many others on this board would be happy. And I agree, more MB please. He is always solid even if the story around him isn't.

It's interesting that he has not started playing the Clark card yet. I wonder if that will have a bearing on this season at all.

[lillie_poo_pod]

*tear* I missed him so much. I am soooooo glad he is back because Lex is obviously out of whack since he's been screwing Lana. We need some evil in this show damnit! And the MB is the one to bring it!

*does happy dance*

I just hope he doesn't do anythin to Chloe.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Nospam
Deleting files off of Chloe's computer? Check. Pulling 33.1 from under Lex as a veiled attempt at reconciliation? Check. Thinly veiled threats to Chloe? Check.

What a Magnificent Bastard. I guess he won't be invited to the Kent's for Thanksgiving anytime soon.
dont forget forcin lex to make him a fullpartner :lol: ,yes JG made me happy tonight.One of the few highlights that didn't deal wit lexana

[MBCorp]

Too bad there isn't a Lexionel theory like there is a Chlois theory. It would truly be wonderful if Lex was killed off the show and if Lionel took his place and became the Lex Luthor of legend. Heck, Lionel even has comic!Lex's background and is closer to the right age for Luthor. Lionel is always a delight, especially when he is being bastardly.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Nospam
Deleting files off of Chloe's computer? Check. Pulling 33.1 from under Lex as a veiled attempt at reconciliation? Check. Thinly veiled threats to Chloe? Check.

What a Magnificent Bastard. I guess he won't be invited to the Kent's for Thanksgiving anytime soon. Hmmmmm...... I don't know. See, the wonderful thing about the MB is that you never really know what he's working on. I really don't think he is interested in partnering up with Lex, I think it's a power move - putting himself in a position to be able to keep an eye on him. The thing is, he doesn't suffer from the same insatiable curiosity that used to plague him because he basically has satisfied that. He knows everything now, so I just don't see 33.1 having the same appeal to him that it would have 3/4 years ago. I'm really thinking that Lionel is strategizing here :p

[lillie_poo_pod]

^^ So so true!

[LexLuv101]

I wonder if he either has ulterior motives and just wants to find out more for use, or if the evil MB really is back? I love Lionel!

[lillie_poo_pod]

I'm really hoping that the MB is back and even more eviler...is that a word?

Anyway we need some kind of evil in this show

[Cool_Breeze]

maybe he didnt get enough turkey during thanksgiving and thats why he's turned all evil

[myankskent]

Originally posted by khufu
Hmmmmm...... I don't know. See, the wonderful thing about the MB is that you never really know what he's working on. I really don't think he is interested in partnering up with Lex, I think it's a power move - putting himself in a position to be able to keep an eye on him. The thing is, he doesn't suffer from the same insatiable curiosity that used to plague him because he basically has satisfied that. He knows everything now, so I just don't see 33.1 having the same appeal to him that it would have 3/4 years ago. I'm really thinking that Lionel is strategizing here :p

Lionel might be strategizing but I don't think that he would ever want Chloe or anyone else to know the dirt on Luthorcorp. He doesn't want to end up back in prison.

[God-Man]

Originally posted by khufu
Hmmmmm...... I don't know. See, the wonderful thing about the MB is that you never really know what he's working on. I really don't think he is interested in partnering up with Lex, I think it's a power move - putting himself in a position to be able to keep an eye on him. The thing is, he doesn't suffer from the same insatiable curiosity that used to plague him because he basically has satisfied that. He knows everything now, so I just don't see 33.1 having the same appeal to him that it would have 3/4 years ago. I'm really thinking that Lionel is strategizing here :p

See, that's the thing about Lionel: You don't know what his true motives are. I thought that he truly reformed for Martha's sake last year but this episode may have proved me wrong. You may be right though. Maybe he is just looking out for Clark, making sure Lex doesn't get too close to his secret. Arrgh, he's so frustrating, but it's so fun to speculate.

[khufu]

Originally posted by God-Man
See, that's the thing about Lionel: You don't know what his true motives are. I thought that he truly reformed for Martha's sake last year but this episode may have proved me wrong. You may be right though. Maybe he is just looking out for Clark, making sure Lex doesn't get too close to his secret. Arrgh, he's so frustrating, but it's so fun to speculate. That's what makes him so Magnificent. The day I figure Lionel out is the day I lose interest in him :p

[jazzylg]

Having peaked in control of everything Luthor, the MB might just meet his demise at the hands of Lex, thus unlocking the ultimate evil villian.

[God-Man]

Originally posted by khufu
That's what makes him so Magnificent. The day I figure Lionel out is the day I lose interest in him :p

True, true. :)

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by khufu
That's what makes him so Magnificent. The day I figure Lionel out is the day I lose interest in him :p
I agree,his motives may be unknown at this point but that's what makes him so great to watch.I do agree that now he knows of clark,level 33.1 isn't as important as it was a few yrs ago.But jus watchin him get involved,and the way he did was jus so MBish ahh I luved lionel scenes tonight.Hope he's in more of the plot in the 2nd half since level 33.1 will play a big role.

[myankskent]

Something tells me that John Glover gets the script each week and makes a ton of changes to all of the scenes that his character is in, and then when you throw in the fact that the guy is the best actor on the show, every single scene of his is entertaining and can in no way we bashed.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by myankskent
Something tells me that John Glover gets the script each week and makes a ton of changes to all of the scenes that his character is in, and then when you throw in the fact that the guy is the best actor on the show, every single scene of his is entertaining and can in no way we bashed.

Yeah, has anyone at anytime ever complained about Lionel? Well, maybe about his weird hair in the later half of season four.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Nospam
Yeah, has anyone at anytime ever complained about Lionel? Well, maybe about his weird hair in the later half of season four.
U kno I think ur right,I've never seen a thread bashin lionel,JG is jus great playin him.Plus his fight to be good/evil is entertainin much more than lex.Lionel is jus great to watch even in episodes that aint great like ageless(I think that was it)his scenes always stand out

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Nospam
Yeah, has anyone at anytime ever complained about Lionel? Well, maybe about his weird hair in the later half of season four.

Yup, his character never gets bashed. If he does something evil, people love it because it's what he's supposed to do. Now if they could figure out how to make the other characters on this show do what they're supposed to do.....not likely.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by myankskent
Yup, his character never gets bashed. If he does something evil, people love it because it's what he's supposed to do. Now if they could figure out how to make the other characters on this show do what they're supposed to do.....not likely.

John Glover is such a gifted actor. He has the oozing mechanism down so well that I need a shower after some of his scenes because I feel so dirty just watching him. The thinly, or not so thinly, veiled threat to Chloe in the DP was a great example. He twists words and situations to his benefit and has the uncanny ability to knock even the most balanced person, like Chloe, off balance. You just never know what he is going to do or how he will react.

As you say, if we could only get the other characters in line, especially Clark.

[RedPhoenix23]

Did anyone else hear AC/DC during the MB scenes in this ep? :D

[Coyote]

Lionel went easy on Chloe, considering that what she was doing was a felony.

I doubt he's "turned back to evil". He mainly wants to keep an eye on Lex, and of course exploit the 33.1 freaks to build his own power and profits as well. Lionel isn't exactly "evil", but he certainly isn't a saint either. That's why he's fun to watch.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Coyote
Lionel went easy on Chloe, considering that what she was doing was a felony.

I doubt he's "turned back to evil". He mainly wants to keep an eye on Lex, and of course exploit the 33.1 freaks to build his own power and profits as well. Lionel isn't exactly "evil", but he certainly isn't a saint either. That's why he's fun to watch.

Like I said in another post, he could just expose Lex and have him sent to jail for a long, long time if he just wanted to watch him. Lionel would not be imprisoned because he had nothing to do with Level 33.1.


Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
[BI just hope he doesn't do anythin to Chloe. [/B]

I really don't care anymore. I like Chloe and wanted her to end up becoming Lois, but I still think she is a roadblock to Clark becoming Superman. He still depends too much on her. So if she does die, as long as it's not done badly, like JK in Reckoning, I wouldn't mind. Something about her scenes with Jimmy really bothers me.

[Coyote]

Lionel doesn't want Lex in jail. Why would he? He thinks Lex is doing a good job of scientific experimentation. But he still wants to monitor what Lex is doing, both to use whatever knowledge he learns to his own advantage, and to get Lex under control if he goes too far.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Like I said in another post, he could just expose Lex and have him sent to jail for a long, long time if he just wanted to watch him. Lionel would not be imprisoned because he had nothing to do with Level 33.1.



I really don't care anymore. I like Chloe and wanted her to end up becoming Lois, but I still think she is a roadblock to Clark becoming Superman. He still depends too much on her. So if she does die, as long as it's not done badly, like JK in Reckoning, I wouldn't mind. Something about her scenes with Jimmy really bothers me.
Well when he's all in her face it seems like they r forcin the couple on us,but if we get more scenes like chlimmy tonight it wouldn't be as bad.Chloe I dont think is a roadblock to clark bein superman,clark is a roadblock.He is too scared to leave behind this normal life he's never had,he wants to fit in so much that it effects his judgement at times.Its not chloe,but if she does die she gotta go out in good fashion like lionel has too.Otherwise there is no need for them to die,chlark investigated seperately tonight and it was good.The main complaints have been not enough clark/batista,more fotw.But it setup level 33.1 and I expect chloe to get deep into it and clark worry.He may help sum but when he see her gettin too deep I think he'll try to get her to back off,but we kno she wont so sumthin may happen to her may not.Who knows but I dont think she's a roadblock,clark is doin fine stoppin hisself smh

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Coyote
Lionel doesn't want Lex in jail. Why would he? He thinks Lex is doing a good job of scientific experimentation. But he still wants to monitor what Lex is doing, both to use whatever knowledge he learns to his own advantage, and to get Lex under control if he goes too far.

:confused: Wait... You do realize that Lionel is EVIL, right?

[xrayvision]

Lionel knows very well how uncontrollable Lex is by remembering how far the Milton Fine fiasco went. Plus, with all the knowledge he has now, he can always find someone else to watch over the scientific experimentation.

[SmalliesMatt]

WHO IS MB...........? :blink:

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Lionel knows very well how uncontrollable Lex is by remembering how far the Milton Fine fiasco went. Plus, with all the knowledge he has now, he can always find someone else to watch over the scientific experimentation.

Et tu? LIONEL IS EVIL! THAT'S ALL THE EXPLANTION YOU NEED!

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
Well when he's all in her face it seems like they r forcin the couple on us,but if we get more scenes like chlimmy tonight it wouldn't be as bad.Chloe I dont think is a roadblock to clark bein superman,clark is a roadblock.He is too scared to leave behind this normal life he's never had,he wants to fit in so much that it effects his judgement at times.Its not chloe,but if she does die she gotta go out in good fashion like lionel has too.Otherwise there is no need for them to die,chlark investigated seperately tonight and it was good.The main complaints have been not enough clark/batista,more fotw.But it setup level 33.1 and I expect chloe to get deep into it and clark worry.He may help sum but when he see her gettin too deep I think he'll try to get her to back off,but we kno she wont so sumthin may happen to her may not.Who knows but I dont think she's a roadblock,clark is doin fine stoppin hisself smh

It's funny. My idea about a Clark-Kal-El season-long war I posted in the summer also had Clark doing his seperate thing (fighting Kal-El, training at the FOS, looking for clues of Kal-El's whereabouts) while the other characters were busy with other stuff (Chloe against Lex and his blackmail of Lana using DNA from Genevieve and eventually level 33.1). In season 6, so far we have Clark instead fighting zoners (who have been pretty much disappointing so far) and being in his own world (with GA and other heroes) while Chloe, Lex, Lionel, Lana are all up to their own stuff. The one thing similar with my ideas & the actual events of season 6 is that Clark is in his own world. The main difference is that Clark would have gotten more exposure than in any other season according to my ideas, but in season 6, he has gotten the least exposure ever. I also think with my idea, we could have seen much better fights, and even though Clark would get his butt kicked in the first 3-4 battles with Kal-El, the light at the end of the tunnel would be that with every battle, he would get more offense, where eventually by their 5th or 6th battle, he would draw Kal-El. Plus, in my idea, nobody would be able to save Clark from his other side, other than himself & his desire to train & learn more about his powers. My plan would have also nixed Lexana early in the season.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by SmalliesMatt
WHO IS MB...........? :blink:

Magnificent Basterd = Lionel :D

[Coyote]

Nah, Lionel isn't EVIL. EVIL is boring. He isn't "good" either. Lionel is more complicated than that. He's certainly greedy and ruthless, but that makes him an American corporate businessman, not EVIL. He wants to keep an eye on Lex and use him, because that's what makes sense and will get the most profit for Lionel. Lionel has reasons for what he does, and doesn't do "bad" things simply for the sake of being "bad."

[ginnyfan]

I wiggled during Lex and Lionel's scene. I WIGGLED! LOL!

I think Lionel is definitely up to something. But I don't think he's his old evil self. He's something better. :)

He's not competing with Lex in that old... sort of afraid... territorial way. There's something different going on. :)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Too bad there isn't a Lexionel theory like there is a Chlois theory. It would truly be wonderful if Lex was killed off the show and if Lionel took his place and became the Lex Luthor of legend. Heck, Lionel even has comic!Lex's background and is closer to the right age for Luthor. Lionel is always a delight, especially when he is being bastardly.

I think it would be awesome if they did this. I'm sorry, but a once promising Lex played by Michael Rosembaum has been rendered impotent and was neutered by Al/Miles as a result of their stubborn desire to create Lexana and the stupid storyline regardless of what the viewers wanted. As evil as they try to make Lex look, I will never buy it anymore now that they have made Lana the reason that he hates Clark. The real Lex that they showed in Onyx would have never turned evil for such a reason. Too bad Rosenbaum's talents have been wasted, especially over the last 2 seasons.

I would now like for them to make Lionel be the true Lex. It's still possible, as they can explain it that his hand was the one that touched the Starblade and made it crumble. They can also stress the importance of that ending scene in Covenant when Lionel gets his head shaved as him turning into the real Lex Luthor.

[Deana]

I'm so glad. He put Chloe in her place and made Lex look like the incompetent fool that he is.

It's always liberating to watch Chloe vs Lionel. The writers love them so much. They probably hate for one to make the other look foolish. Them being the supreme beings in all.

Oh well, I like original Lionel.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Deana
I'm so glad. He put Chloe in her place and made Lex look like the incompetent fool that he is.

It's always liberating to watch Chloe vs Lionel. The writers love them so much. They probably hate for one to make the other look foolish. Them being the supreme beings in all.

Oh well, I like original Lionel. It's a very interesting relationship indeed. For one, Lionel knows that he has to tread lightly, because he can't get on her bad side since he wants to try and maintain a relationship with Clark (and stay healthy :)). But even beyond that, for some reason I just don't think Lionel would ever try to mess with Chloe again. I know it sounds weird, but I think he might actually have too much respect for her based on how she's held her own against him in the past. I just imagine that in his twisted way of thinking, that would be something to respect, not resent. In fact, in a certain sense, she's been balzy and daring in a way that he has always wanted Lex to be.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

All is going according to the master plan.

* rubs hands *

BWWAAAAHHHH !!!!!

[Liriel]

Originally posted by biaaly
I knew he never left! Pssh! Please, I kept saying his nice guy routine was a total act and that he was going to wind up burning everyone, haha Me too. I'm thrilled to have him back, too. Now if everyone will just keep Martha appraised of every nefarious deed of Lionel's that they discover, we can avoid more Mionel.



I really don't think he is interested in partnering up with Lex, I think it's a power move
<snip>
I'm really thinking that Lionel is strategizing hereI agree he's strategizing. And he doesn't want to be partners. I hope he's planning a coup.


Nah, Lionel isn't EVIL. EVIL is boring. He isn't "good" either. Lionel is more complicated than that. He's certainly greedy and ruthless, but that makes him an American corporate businessman, not EVIL.I think the human experimentation, attempted murders and murders make him evil (considering that I don't think he's changed from his earlier self)