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chlarkfan333
11-16-2006, 12:38 PM
Loved it, hated it, or neutral to it?!

PKII
11-16-2006, 12:46 PM
;)

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 02:28 PM
i thought it was boring lana did something stupid clark wussed out on his destiny lex got held prisoner lois trying to get it on with oliver and no shelby. the only thing that saved the episode was manhunter and lionel trying to pretend he doesnt want to get down and dirty with martha. lol

truthfully it looks like a good episode i just hope they didnt ruin the whole batista clark manhunter thing by showing the whole thing in the trialer.

Sun City Rocker
11-16-2006, 04:44 PM
rate from 1-10

shy175223
11-16-2006, 04:48 PM
uh there is already a thread for this one. Look at the main thread section that says 'rate this episode and post your thoughts.'

MidgardDragon
11-16-2006, 04:49 PM
Yeah, it might have been a nice surprise if they left MM out of the trailer and spoilers, but I'm sure showing him in the trailer will drum up some new viewers, so whatever floats their boat. It looks like it will be a good episode, I'm just sad that we have to wait almost a month for a new episode, then after that another loonnngg wait. ;-;

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 05:12 PM
ya hopefully manhunter and batista pull in ratings from comic book and wrestling fans.

the next new episode is december 7th then we have to wait till the end of january. could be worse it could do the last thing and make us wait 4 months

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 05:16 PM
shy has marked her territory.

shy175223
11-16-2006, 05:18 PM
not exaclty, this time chlarkfan 333 mark that territory, but no biggie. :D

milton fine
11-16-2006, 05:27 PM
two main reasons im gonna watch tonight one BATISTA!!! (hes the zoner for those that aint wwe fans)and of course MARTIAN MANHUNTER even though hes disguised as a african american , but i think well see more of him in justice i think, as for batistas character looks like clark cant defeat him so Jon Jon'zz (martian manhunter)has to stop or kill him,by the way how did jon jon'zz get the his name i mean i get the martian part becuse hes a martian but the manhuntetr part i dont know? was he bad at first?

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 05:32 PM
well someone did and im not the one who is going to clean it up lol

why do people keep saying he is black i have seen nothing that indicates he is black. not that it matters tho but he only appears in shadow and if he is in true form and is dark green then maybe it looks black somehow in the shadows.

shy175223
11-16-2006, 05:35 PM
well, he suppose a shiftchanger so he could be pretty much any race there. Even he appear only in shadow it is possible that he could be black. IMO i really do not care.

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 05:37 PM
i dont know im just wondering why people are asuming he is black.

shy175223
11-16-2006, 05:39 PM
I don't know maybe it's the bald head .

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 05:42 PM
maybe lex has a twin who is black with super powers and glowing red eyes.

shy175223
11-16-2006, 05:44 PM
nah he is too big to be Lex's twin anything.

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 05:46 PM
thats true. o its batman without the ears on his mask.

Kara15
11-16-2006, 06:19 PM
It's weird so far... :lol:

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 06:29 PM
so far i like it and we get some level 33.1 stuff which is good. and batista ripping that cops spine out was cool. he is doing a pretty good job.

artemis_x
11-16-2006, 06:47 PM
so far it's pretty good- there were some intense moments, but I am getting really really tired of Clark being a secondary character. 45 mins in and he hasn't doen anything!!! I mean I know some shows are about other ppl but this is getting rediculous!!! He can't just sit around and do nothing on the show, until the series is over and he goes off to the fortress for 12 years!! If they're gonna drag on clark getting his training, they still have to evolve his character and give him interesting screen time!!

superhippie2000
11-16-2006, 06:51 PM
damn martian manhunter was awsome and his flying was great

artemis_x
11-16-2006, 06:56 PM
yup, it's over now, and my comment still stands. The end was super cheesy!!! Ugh.

Martin Manhunter was pretty cool, but it would have been nice to have more of him. And more clark!!! More clark!!! with less stupid plotlines for clark!! Why is this so difficult?

jimmyolsenblues
11-16-2006, 07:03 PM
It was a great episode.
Great superman mythology when he chose to help someone other then lexana.
Batista was great but too gory on the spine stuff.
Jimmy to the rescue I loved.
Lionel returning to MB.
This was a great episode.

*#~ ClAnAfAn99210~#*
11-16-2006, 07:10 PM
SUCKED!!!

TheEradicator6
11-16-2006, 07:11 PM
I loved it, but I had a few problems in here:

1) FOTW.

2) Bad Acting/Dialogue - Some bad bit parts had bad dialogue.

3) ZONER and Clark: where's the fight? IT's like he was just getting the crap kicked out of him and Martian Manhunter had to swoop in and lay the smackdown (pun intended)

Other than that, this ep packed in a whole lot of stuff

- the baby
- 33.1 (sorta): lex obviously lies to lana
- the proposal (and OBVIOUS cliffhanger)
- Martian Manhunter!!!! (Clark says he can't do the stuff that he did... um flying and glowing eyes. All he has to do is use heat vision on his hands and he can burn the crap off of someone's back too)
- Chloe & Jimmy slightly getting better chemisty
- Zoner that DOESN'T respond to SUPER SYMBOL

MidgardDragon
11-16-2006, 07:17 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I preferred the 1-10 ratings polls over this good/bad/neutral one.

Kara15
11-16-2006, 07:17 PM
Umm, it was ok.. I ship Lexana but I am not too thrilled of episodes that revolve around them.

The Martian manhunter appearance was pretty cool.. I was a little skeptical about how it was going to be since I'm one of those people who wishes that TPTB would turn the focus of the show back to Clark instead of bringing in 2039203920392 new characters all the time. But anyway, even though his appearance was 2 seconds long, Clark still wasn't even in this episode that much. :\

aqua
11-16-2006, 07:20 PM
I would have thought it'd be impossible to mess up a show with so much ponential.. I shouldn't have doubted AlMiles.

Smallville's a joke. It's a soap opera.

Where was Clark? This show is revolving around Lexana and the Green Arrow. When it's not about one, it's about the other. The main character, Superman to be, is barely in the picture anymore for all of this soap opera crap. There's more emphasis on Lex and Lana, Ollie and Lois, Jimmy and Chloe, Lionel and Martha than there is on his destiny. He hasn't grown at all towards being a hero. It's pathetic that these romance plots are overwhelming the show.

Lana is a joke. She's a mess of a character. She is written so inconsistently. She's a hypocrite, she's a liar, she's judgemental, self-righteous, annoying, whiny.. shall I go on? It's so bad that the show is revolving around her and she's so crappily written.

Lex isn't the Lex Luthor that we know. He's a schoolboy with a crush on the beautiful girl. He is moving backwards in his progression.

The acting was laughable, the writing was scatty and subpar.. just a horrible episode all around.

Great job, AlMiles! :)

gj430
11-16-2006, 07:24 PM
I liked it, thought it was good. I liked Jimmy. Good ole goofy Jimmy the Inferiator. I liked Clark the Investigator. Batista was alright, I liked the spinal rip, too bad Clark didn't get a couple more hits in before MM fried the guy. MM flying was badass, and Iloved the Oreo references. The KryptonMan reference was awesome. Last week when we were posting in the spoiler theards about Justice and the disguises for JL I was wondering if they might call Clark KryptonMan in that episode so it was cool to see it at least referenced in this. The Static guy was ok. Self defense but Lex definately killed that guy. He could of stopped him without stabbing him back but he choose to kill him. I smell Evil Lex a brewin. I'm actually kind of warming up to Lexana too. It was kind of sweet and I like that Lana is starting to go along with Lex's plans with 33.1 Darkana Muh Muh Muh. It was kinda wierd that he said... then there is something you have to see because of it though because he was going to propose anyway becuase he had it all setup though. I liked the actual proposal scene though and I wonder what she is going to say. Sucks that hydro isn't after this. I still don't think Sub. feels right as episode 9 but since Lana's going to be gone hopefully they will say she is at Nell's for the holiday's or something that way there is some explaination of why she isn't there. All in all I thought it was decent. I can't wait to see MM again. I hope we get to see him in his Hybrid form and maybe a few other human ones. Anyway back to watching Supernatural.

lillie_poo_pod
11-16-2006, 07:25 PM
Ehhh.. the sap meter was off the charts. The fact that it was Lex who was bein the sap made me wanna hurl. Come back to us Lex Luthor!!. Lana is turning u into a ***** hint: starts with a P.

The things I did like was

1. The return of the MB. Just wonderful!
2. Jimmy and Chloe havin some screen time together. Fabulous
3. MM. If it was only for 2 sec. Loved it!
4. The mention of 33.1

I think that this episode has given Chloe a challenge to find out what happened to 33.1 and I'm hopin that they do it some justice.

SuperFan85
11-16-2006, 07:36 PM
I think Chloe investigating 33.1 to prove its actual existence may play a role in her possible death in seasons end. Lex may get word shes snooping around, looking for it's proof, which could cause Lex to become a bit worried that Chloe will find it and expose it to Lana, and reveal the kind of person Lex really is. Lex, feeling threatened that his relationship with Lana would then be in jeopardy, could do away with Chloe. I dunno, just a theory.

warriorrenegade
11-16-2006, 08:04 PM
This episode was HORRID, I mean honestly if you believed the Clark vs. Zoner hype surrounding this episode you'd think we would see a smackdown of a fight between them that would merit a helping hand from the MMH. Instead we got Clark looking like a wimp AGAIN and being bailed out by a mysterious hero.


When are we going to see this Clark cut loose? God its frustrating every "Big" episode that even hints at a fight, Im always let down. I guess its to much to ask for, TPTB just can't deliver and Im tired of waiting.

Correction Clarks part in this episode was HORRID,everyone elses rocked. I liked Chloe and the gang going all "mystery machine" with tracking down Lex and trying to uncover 33.1. Also the return of the MB, at least I think its the MB. I don't know its getting harder to keep up. One week hes the Good Lionel and the next hes the MB.

cmm
11-16-2006, 08:14 PM
It sucked it was just so disjointed. It was like they started penning a script for a meteor freak of the week but forgot Clark and then last minute just added him in in a ridiculous phantom zone criminal sl. Then to top it off Clark doesn't even defeat the criminal of the week some other comic book character does. Edited to add that this is coming from a fan who watches every episode religiously and has no real problem with any one show except this one. The only part of this one episode I liked was the jimmy/ chloe banter the rest was drivel.


Originally posted by lillie_poo_pod
Ehhh.. the sap meter was off the charts. The fact that it was Lex who was bein the sap made me wanna hurl. Come back to us Lex Luthor!!. Lana is turning u into a ***** hint: starts with a P.

The things I did like was

1. The return of the MB. Just wonderful!
2. Jimmy and Chloe havin some screen time together. Fabulous
3. MM. If it was only for 2 sec. Loved it!
4. The mention of 33.1

I think that this episode has given Chloe a challenge to find out what happened to 33.1 and I'm hopin that they do it some justice.


I have to agree with you about the sapiness it was horrible.

DWBSR620
11-16-2006, 08:19 PM
Disliked it. Too much Lex/Lana storyline enough of that entire pathetic relationship arc, and Lana as a character. Take care.


Peace To All.

seraphim
11-16-2006, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by aqua
I would have thought it'd be impossible to mess up a show with so much ponential.. I shouldn't have doubted AlMiles.

Smallville's a joke. It's a soap opera.

Where was Clark? This show is revolving around Lexana and the Green Arrow. When it's not about one, it's about the other. The main character, Superman to be, is barely in the picture anymore for all of this soap opera crap. There's more emphasis on Lex and Lana, Ollie and Lois, Jimmy and Chloe, Lionel and Martha than there is on his destiny. He hasn't grown at all towards being a hero. It's pathetic that these romance plots are overwhelming the show.

Lana is a joke. She's a mess of a character. She is written so inconsistently. She's a hypocrite, she's a liar, she's judgemental, self-righteous, annoying, whiny.. shall I go on? It's so bad that the show is revolving around her and she's so crappily written.

Lex isn't the Lex Luthor that we know. He's a schoolboy with a crush on the beautiful girl. He is moving backwards in his progression.

The acting was laughable, the writing was scatty and subpar.. just a horrible episode all around.

Great job, AlMiles! :)


DITTO! I agree with you on all points especially about SV being a soap opera! The only thing I did enjoy was the presence of MM even though he didn't have a lot of screen time.

clana20
11-16-2006, 08:28 PM
Terrible... Not only because I hate Lexana and it has No place in this show, but because they tried to make them both sound sincere when they say things like I love you and trust you, but its not even close to believable.

spideyfan
11-16-2006, 08:35 PM
I give this an 8/10

Pros:
Batista on SV
Another of the "Zoner" episodes....I think...
A new "superhero"....I think
Oreo cookies....they rock!
Mention of 33.1 (season 4....mxylptlyk episode)....YAY for continuity!
CK taking charge and responsibility...
Jimmy was a nice touch
Lionel out doing Lex

Cons:
CK not telling Chloe everything...though I guess that is inevitable.
Lana
The marriage ending
Dark Lana
Lana dissing Chloe
Any Lana scenes

I wanna know who the "glowing eyes" hero was!

paolinki25
11-16-2006, 09:01 PM
I'll give it an 8.

samuelm7
11-16-2006, 09:05 PM
Clark's role in the show has been reduced to bounty hunter; frankly, I would have preferred watching Emmitt Smith do a samba with Raya, the blonde-haired Kryptonian. Man, that would have been exciting! Emmitt would have listened to Jor-El and completed his training.

angelfire east
11-16-2006, 09:58 PM
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All about Clark
11-16-2006, 10:11 PM
That was the worst eppy ever and I usually love all of them. Did Clark even have 8 minutes of screen time total? And the Lexana dribble was exhausting, Lana in denial much? Just last week she was distrusting him over the halfway house. And this week, it is he's the most honest with me. What has he been honest about there Lana. And Chloe acting like Clark can't be there for them, she's knows what he's doing. Totally HORRIBLE eppy.

BadToad
11-16-2006, 10:17 PM
This will probably be in my bottom 5 episodes of SV of all time. Completely awful. IMO

All about Clark
11-16-2006, 10:19 PM
Right there with you BadToad.

ginnyfan
11-16-2006, 10:37 PM
The lack of Clark was annoying. Clarks standing around (getting thrown around) and not using his powers was annoying. But besides that I really enjoyed myself.

Clark did a little undercover work.

The MM is awesome and may even have been Chloe at the end of the episode (I wish).

Chimmy was in full force in a wonderful way!

Lexana wasn't stomach churning and even prompted a great Lex moment, when Lana says she loves him while he's trapped in a frequency. Lex's face. It was great. I think seeing Lana say that when she wasn't sure if he were there or not was the only way Lex would believe it.

Lana's still got her huge VOID. :(

If MM wasn't Chloe at the end Chloe needs to give Clark a talking to. :)

Clark is unsettled. I'm curious to see what he's thinking. Seeing someone use powers he couldn't even dream of... Actually Clark they are alot like your powers? Inspired are you? I hope so. Get training!

Batista was a MONSTER! On par with the giant from Jack and the Beanstalk. I never found bone crunching giants particularly scary. I do now.

Ripping out spines.... Yikes.

Anyways... it was fast paced and fun. Not the best but not the worst. Flawed but still enjoyable. :)

Snip_credit
11-16-2006, 10:50 PM
Given what TV Guide told us about Lex & Lana the last five minutes was no surprise. I thought he would have revealed his secret room to Lana about Clark. Since she was all the metor freaks are dangerous. Here is Lex to open the door, "Meet Clark their King." As for the MM, okay so an Oreo in the loft, Martha has some explaining to do. (joking) 6/10

RMF
11-16-2006, 11:01 PM
I am officially p*ssed.

I've been patient with Clark getting less screen time, knowing they had to set up some plotlines and so forth, but this episode really takes the cake. The A-story sucked, and the B-story Clark got relegated to was pointless. All Clark got to do was wander around in Seattle and get tossed around like a toy. He not only didn't get to defeat the bad guy, he didn't even get to do him any damage. This was a terrible, terrible use of a guest star. Not only did they spoil the whole thing by putting MM in the trailer, but they took Clark's hero role away by having MM save the day. Plus, they continued to cut corners on Clark's special effects in order to use them on other characters. Once again, we hear superspeed and don't see it. Clark doesn't use X-ray vision to find the Zoner among the cargo containers. He doesn't use heat vision to defend himself when attacked. To top it off, the episode was peppered with lines about Clark being useless. First Jimmy says there's nothing Clark can do that he can't, then Chloe finishes up the A plot by saying Clark couldn't hold a candle to "the Infuriator". In an episode where you let Clark do his superhero stuff, such lines are ironic, but in this episode, they were just insults. It also felt wrong not to have him around when the Level 33.1 arc started.

They also managed to make Chloe weird in this episode. Chloe gets the superhero thing, so why is she asking why Clark is going off to save multiple people from the Zoner instead of sticking around to save just Lex? Then, because they want to bump up Jimmy's role as geek, they have him wrangling the radio equipment while Chloe and Lana stand around and look pretty and say "gosh". That's so retro, it's embarrassing. Then in the loft scene, that was either an overly informed MM, or the awkwardest dialog I've ever heard from Chloe.

This was the most sickening Lexana has been in weeks. Whenever I saw the Luthor Mansion overview, I actually cringed, because I knew the next thing I'd see would be those two. Boy, did we ever see a lot of those two, and with the goopiest, most unconvincing declarations of love I've heard yet. I guess "Lana Lang will never love you" has been tossed overboard, and she now wuvs Lex. For his honesty. Lex wuvs her too, for some reason. Yep, Lana's had so many doubts about the relationship, but now she just wants him back. Oh, and guess what, now she understands experimenting on the meteor freaks. There's no guessing how she'll feel next episode, because she sure went quickly from pushing Lex toward experimenting on the black box to sulking over the fact that he was actually doing it. Proposal? Who cares? What cr@p.

As a bonus to the Zoner, we also get a FOTW. A paper-thin one, who for some reason when he breaks out of Level 33.1, goes straight to Lex's girlfriend to get the message out. Why would anyone go to the person most likely to be loyal to Lex? Why not the police or the newspapers?

The only saving grace of the episode, if there was one, was Lionel. Yeah, I guessed he was the one to move Level 33.1, because Lex had no time to have done it, but it was fun to watch. He swiped the lab in exchange for partnership in the project. I do believe he might sell Lex out to regain control of LuthorCorp.

PKII
11-16-2006, 11:25 PM
Poor episode and that left me breathless. :rolleyes:


Lana got on a elevator that required a pass card the floor it said 33.1 on the LED yet she still don't believe there is no such floor. :rolleyes:

Lana is being a big "B" to Chloe.

Looked like a little fight between Chloe and Clark.

Clark almost got killed for going in without a plan. Now why would he think that crystal was gonna stop a non phantom. And this guy is suppose to grow up to be Superman? :rolleyes:

No money in the budget for Clark to fly yet....Zod got to fly... oreo eater this episode got a really cool fly. :rolleyes:

Maybe they will get some money in the budget since the brought in oreo advertisments.



:lol:

Yuui
11-17-2006, 12:05 AM
Yeah... Kreuk's acting... kinda bad (at the beginning of the episode where she shouted for Lex). But she's pretty darn hot, so I guess it's a give and take situation.

J'onn's appearance was pretty neat. I am looking forward to see more of him in the future. I'm guessing that he'll be joining the Junior Justice League that is speculated to form within this season, as I'm sure Clark will work his moral mojo.

Lana's gonna die. Makes sense, I think. Yes, yes, it doesn't follow the comic canon, blah blah blah. But let's think about it. Lana dies, Lex blames Clark, Clark feels guilty and reciprocates the blame to Lex, and voila, instant soup.

And I'm not really seeing this season's main storyline. What are we building towards? The return of Zod? Brainiac? Lex versus Clark? I guess Darkseid is out of the picture, since that fragment wasn't a piece of a mother box. Oh well.

I dunno.

fresh prince
11-17-2006, 12:18 AM
I loved it thought it was intresting well not the marriage proposal but lex getting trapped in anothher dimension the only things that pissed me off were batista not getting his ass kicked and that stupid maiage proposal

Deana
11-17-2006, 01:43 AM
I liked the fact that Clark investigated on his own.
I like Jimmy.
Lionel put Chloe in her place.
I liked Martian Manhunter the few seconds he was on screen.

The rest...sucked.

superman2001
11-17-2006, 02:10 AM
i thought The Episode was fantastic i really did enjoy it alot, it was great to see The Martain Manhunter on The Show, it was great to see Martain Manhunter helping Clark out, i can,t wait to The next Episode, it is going to be great, this is going to be a great Season.

whiteflag
11-17-2006, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by BadToad
This will probably be in my bottom 5 episodes of SV of all time. Completely awful. IMO

Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!

SmallvilleInBama
11-17-2006, 02:48 AM
I loved it. I was glad that Lex finally found out about the baby. It was also good to see Jimmy finally being able to make him self useful for once.

The oreos were a hoot too. I understand MM likes them but Clark checking them out was rather funny. As someone stated probably the most stupdiest thing in Smallville but it was funny.

Son of Kal-El20
11-17-2006, 03:42 AM
Okay, I watched the episode. And I have to say this. I am now very concerned about the direction this show is going. First of all, the main character had barely any screen time and is constantly portrayed as a wimp who can't defend himself. This whole Lexana thing is totally uninteresting and is taking up screen time.

I don't know if any of you saw this one show, but sadly, Smallville is starting to remind me of the short lived Blade The Series.

Let me show you the resemblance between the two. In Blade, the hero is barely shown in every episode and his plotline is reduced to a minor subplot. Same thing is happening with Clark in Smallville. In every Blade episode, Blade always got his butt kicked badly and always needed some miraculous assistance to win( this annoyed a lot of Blade fans). Same thing is happening to Clark in Smallville. In Blade, Marcus and Christa's plot dominated the show. In Smallville, Lex and Lana's plot is dominating show.

I'm sorry say this guys, but at the rate this show is going it's not going to have a Season 7. The same problems that plagued Blade The Series and caused it to get canned is the same problems that are affecting Smallville. As a Smallville fan, I'm very displeased with the way this season is going and I don't know how long I'm going to stay with it.

'Static' was terrible. Plain and simple. Bautista's villian and the other villian barely got any development. Clark is now like the Sticky Jone's Blade and is constantly getting tossed around and beaten easily( won't even fight back). Lex and Lana's romance is sickening and apparently now the main plot of the whole season. Sorry, but there was nothing in this episode I liked. Sure MM's appearance was cool, but I watch this show to see Clark grow stronger and not see him wimp out and wait for a JLA hero to come to the rescue. Awful. The episode was awful and it's sad to see this show go through the 'Blade The Series' syndrome.

I'll be honest, seeing Clark get thrown around so easily and act like a wimp is no fun. And it frankly get boring after a while because we know what's going to happen. I was expecting a full on grudge match between Clark and Bautista's alien( who apparently didn't even have a name). Instead, I got the same thing I got in Zod. Villian fighting, Clark whimping. At this rate, we should just call Clark 'Whimpman'. Forget the 'S', just put a big 'W' on him.

So yeah, I'm very angry and this episode ticked me off. I give 'Static' a 2/10.

CallMeClark
11-17-2006, 05:00 AM
I liked this episode. I think it set a lot of the upcoming story acrs up well. Chloe will begin to investigate 33.1, Lana and the baby and Clark and the Justice League. I enjoyed it, although I agree I am annoyed with Clark getting less screen time. :( But I can deal. I just hope they revamp this whole Phatom idea by mid-season.

I have no idea why they never did a season Big Bad? It would have been way better.

Joekur
11-17-2006, 06:06 AM
The season so far, other than Wither, has been great... this ep. disappointed a bit. I thought much of it was a bit contrived.

Liked:
Chloe/Allison - Thank God she was in it!

Batista - Love it when someone from WWF does action - they are so well tranined to sell the moves, they almost always look good. The know what they're doing.

MM - Wish he had more time, but he rocked anyway. We MUST see more of him! His flyoff was cool.

Lionel - just generally cool

Disliked:
General contrivance. Everything was too easy, esp. Jimmies ham radio setup saving the day. Bleeach...

Lack of Clark-Time - He was totally pointless in the ep. Think about it.. when it came time to do some butt-kicking, he went for one hit, got stopped and that was it. It was like - "Ok, we have a REALLY cool action scene here, but, we spent 20 minutes with Lex making out with Lana, so we can't..."

I LOVED the FIRST oreo bit, where he stepped on it. Even with the unlikely hood of Clark stepping on one cookie in all that space. But THEN, he did it AGAIN in his loft.. What the ****? Is MM speeding in a PUTTING them under his feet or something? They could have just had Clark notice it.. but no, had to step on ANOTHER one. Is MM just strewning them about? Is he really just a slob? Or maybe there was an editing problem... Clark saying, "Powers I can only imagine.." He hardly did anything except leave cookies all over the place. maybe they edited out some of the cool stuff MM did to merit such a comment.. and maybe they meant to only air one cookie-step-move, but two ended up in it.

Saber
11-17-2006, 06:28 AM
Crap!
Poorly written & executed.
Clark needs some Kryptonian brass ones.

tokenblackguy
11-17-2006, 06:46 AM
The only good thing about this episode of the Lana and Lex soap opera was MM, because honestly the whole Lex/Lana Love thing was like a -10. Get rid of Lexana, I mean kill them both off.

Lightning Flash
11-17-2006, 06:59 AM
Smallville has too many haters and critiques about... just appreciate it for what it is, or don't watch! Geez, too many people have been degrading every epi, week after week... and I know many are tired of it, so stop!

Anyway, I thought this epi was great. Batista's performance was awesome, and so was his character: Argon? Level 33.1 story arc was pretty cool... Lana is way into Lex now. MM appearance was supreme! Jimmy is doing pretty good working for the Planet. Chlimmy seemed enhanced, and some Clark hating going on? Clark deciding to keep the burden of justice to himself is a good step to his superhero alias. The proposal, tho expected, was pretty cool, especially the room. Lana seemed anxious.

tokenblackguy
11-17-2006, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Lightning Flash
Smallville has too many haters and critiques about... just appreciate it for what it is, or don't watch! Geez, too many people have been degrading every epi, week after week... and I know many are tired of it, so stop!

Anyway, I thought this epi was great. Batista's performance was awesome, and so was his character: Argon? Level 33.1 story arc was pretty cool... Lana is way into Lex now. MM appearance was supreme! Jimmy is doing pretty good working for the Planet. Chlimmy seemed enhanced, and some Clark hating going on? Clark deciding to keep the burden of justice to himself is a good step to his superhero alias. The proposal, tho expected, was pretty cool, especially the room. Lana seemed anxious.

Get rid of Lexana and it will stop

Kryptonian-Ronin
11-17-2006, 07:20 AM
I don't know what to say...

Its become clear that:
Character continuity when it comes to Clark is non-exsistent.
Clark in fact has become a secondary charcter in his own show.

Lex and Lana is a train wreck waiting to happen, its a sad and painful thing to watch, dilusional at times, I wil never understand how anyone can be a fan of such a potential and unevitable disaster.

Lana is either dense, and idoiot, naive or dilusional, I think all of the above.
The writers have done quite a number on that character.

Lionel is truly, the only character worth watching.

I felt cheated on this episode, it wasn't horrible, just incredibly lacking.

What theses writers are planning to do with Clark is beyond me, totally.

superpal1
11-17-2006, 07:34 AM
I would give this episode a 5 out of 10. Like Ronin, I didn't hate it, but I did feel cheated. We were led to believe that this season would be Clark going after the Zoners. Yet-he got beat by the Poison Ivy in Wither, before Chloe discovered a weakness, Raya helped him defeat Bow-wow with Crystal-no big fight scene, and then Batista-where Clark gets thrown, then almost slammed into a knee before MM saves him. All without throwing a punch. I hate how each week, Clark using his abilities is becoming less and less evident. Where was the big fight in this episode. Why did it take Clark all day to find the Zoner. Clark has superspeed, superhearing and xray vision and he couldn't find the big huge dude on the same dock. Clark not being super at all is disgusting. I don't want Superman, but I do want some Super in Clark when it comes to confronting the Zoners. Also, Lana has been turned into a tool if after everything that has happened to her over the years, she cannot even fathom that 33.1 might be real or Lex might be lying.

Luthor5339
11-17-2006, 07:36 AM
Thought the episode was great. Remember- this season is NOT supposed to be a 'Clarkcentric' season!!!! G&M have established that since the beginning! So, stop your complaining that Clark is a secondary character. This season- who cares??? This is the "RISE OF LEX LUTHOR". That's what this season was officially called. Not the rise of Superman, but the rise of LEX LUTHOR. So of course Lex and those closest to him now or with stronger ties is going to be the main focus!!! This season is about Lex, not Clark! I don't know why people have difficulty understanding this or why their surprised- I mean, G&M came right out and told us from the get go what to expect this season!

End Rant....

This episode was great.

- Level 33.1 emerges.
- Lex and Lana marriage proposal
- Lionell- is he good or bad? Definitely up in the air now.
- Lex believes that he is doing the right thing!

Too difficult to fully describe in point details.

I love how Lex believes that he is doing the right thing. This also brings another dimension, depending on where they take it, to his future persona. Luthor believes that Superman is actually a bad guy and it's easy to see why Lex would believe this due to all of these other lunatic kryptofreaks and zoners. Loved how Lana agreed with him- this is an interesting set up if she ever finds out about Clark!

After last episode I was wondering how Lex and Lana would get back together. But, this episode definitely had them come closer to each other. But, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is Lex going to be developed as a gray or pure evil character? Because, as I said before- it's easy to see why Lex might view Superman as being the bad guy.

Loved the interaction between Chloe and Jimmy. But, investigating 33.1? Something tells me that might be the death of Chloe.

Although Clark played a minimal role in this episode, with a bad guy who wasn't even the center of the episode or the focus (why expect a huge super fight?) it was good. Martian Manhunter was awesome. Loved how they led up to it with the Oreo and how they went back to the oreo at the end.

It is still up in the air on what will happen to Lex. But, Level 33.1 is going to definitely be a huge part of that and I can easily see them laying the ground works for that over the past couple of episodes. Wonder what the heroes dig up in 'Justice.'

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And to all those complaining about Clark becoming the secondary character.... once again, this is the RISE OF LEX LUTHOR. But, next season- you'll get plenty of Clark since most likely it will be titled SUPERMAN.

myankskent
11-17-2006, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Luthor5339
Thought the episode was great. Remember- this season is NOT supposed to be a 'Clarkcentric' season!!!! G&M have established that since the beginning! So, stop your complaining that Clark is a secondary character. This season- who cares??? This is the "RISE OF LEX LUTHOR".

The rise of Lex Luthor consists of watching sappy scenes with him and Lana? And I do feel that if you put a couple like lexana ahead of Clark on this show, you might as well quit right now. Clark should be the star, and if Lex is going to steal screentime away from him, I want to see him doing evil things, not confessing his love to Lana, and in scenes that take up a lot of time.

Luthor5339
11-17-2006, 07:47 AM
This is all about LEXMAS becoming a reality.

That 'death dream' Lex had, that- in some way- is going to become a reality.

And I actually really like how the downfall is love. Many have complained about Lucas using this for the downfall of Anakin.... but, look at Shakespeare- 'love' is the aspect that can completely ruin and destroy a man or help strengthen him.

Markd329
11-17-2006, 07:48 AM
This was NOT one of SV's better episodes. Too much Lexana, too little Clark [and when will the writers let Clark do a little butt-kicking?], and the whole story was lacking in cohesion.

But there were some some good points as well. The 33.1 storyline was revived quite well, and Lionel's involvement was handled brilliantly. I was getting somewhat tired of his "good" turn, and was really waiting to see the return of the "MB" Lionel, not to mention his power games with Lex.

The effect of Clark getting thrown into the crane [and his jumping out of it] was cool, the only thing about Clark's storyline that I liked.

The Martian Manhunter cameo was cool also. I cannot wait to see "Justice" to see how all of that plays out.

All in all, "Static" was not a great episode to send us off into the holiday rerun season. Hopefully it will set us up for the next set of episodes when the new episodes return in January.
:confused: :( :rolleyes:

AJ80
11-17-2006, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Luthor5339
This is all about LEXMAS becoming a reality.

That 'death dream' Lex had, that- in some way- is going to become a reality.

And I actually really like how the downfall is love. Many have complained about Lucas using this for the downfall of Anakin.... but, look at Shakespeare- 'love' is the aspect that can completely ruin and destroy a man or help strengthen him.

Here's the problem:

Yet again, these writers are making everying about Lana, a one dimensional, boring, one note character who isn't even a big part of the Superman mythology. Lana has never been an important character and the fact that these writers don't know what to do with her just supports that claim even more.

People don't give a rats ass about Jimmy, Chloe, or Lana. Heck, fans are even getting sick of Oliver Queen. People care about Clark, Lex, the Clark/Lex future rivary, and that's it! People care about HOW Clark becomes the greatest superhero, how Lex becomes the greatest villain, why Lex will have such hatred and jealousy towards Superman (Clark's future heroic personna), and why he and Superman will be bitter enemies. You know what? The Clark/Lex relationship will be part of that.

No one cares about Lana, and the fact that they are bastardizing this rivary by making it all about Lana is just sickening.

This is Clark's show. He should NEVER, EVER, be reduced to a useless, secondary character on his own show, in favor of a bunch of secondary characters no one either gives a rats ass about, or who aren't a huge part of the Superman mythology, anyhow. And he shouldn't play second fiddle to guest stars, either.

This is also Lex's show and he shouldnt' be reduced to a Lana-loving bafoon, either.

Sorry, but this show has lost its focus and it hasn't been the same since season three. The writing is bad and the overall quality of the show is bad. As a result, the ratings are down this year. I don't want to hear the excuse of it being on Thursdays, yadda, yadda, because quite frankly, I don't want to hear it. The ratings are down because the show is bad and people have lost interest. That's why. The show continues to lose fans right and left and until things improve, this show will continue to lose fans.

Edited to say: If people want a JLA love fest, go watch Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, and the Superfriends all on DVD or on Boomerang. SV should be about Clark's destiny, and about Lex's destiny, and how everything ties into their destinies and how its going to be connected to the other.

udtiger
11-17-2006, 08:36 AM
I voted "neutral", but I was not ambivalent about the episode. There were just parts I liked and parts I didn't ("highs and lows") which on average had me pretty close to "dead center".

I liked what the episode did with Lex (even though I don't particularly care for Lexana). You see there is still something redeemable left in him. He does truly love Lana. However, you see that despite that true emotion, he can (and does) flat out lie to her face. The fact that 33.1 will play a role later in the season (if the spoilers are to be believed) seems to me to be what will break he and Lana up (that, and losing the baby).

The addition of the questions about Lionel (by his co-opting the 33.1 program) is also intriguing. Definitely adds some fuel to the fire that he has reverted to his MB ways. Obviuosly, he is going to have to be "offed" if he truly is evil since you cannot have someone that coniving, aand that powerful, fuly aware of Clark's secret identity.

I join with those complaining about Clark's lack of screen time. I do appreciate the fact that he made a choice to save unknown "innocents" as opposed to rushing to Lana's aid; however, his impotence against the "Zoner" was disappointing. Even against Doomsday, Superman was able to stand "toe to toe" with him. Even without training, Clark/pre-Superman should have been able to at least move the guy.

You see two definite conflicts brewing. Clark-Chloe and Chloe-Lana. Lana has apparently bought Lex's line and will defend her man (much like Clark did with Jonathan in the first few seasons). Chole knows better (for obvious reasons). This will become an issue. I don't see the conflict w/ Clark being of long standing or irreversible.

Despite this "stumble", I think the reast of the season sets up well.

Kryptonian-Ronin
11-17-2006, 08:53 AM
If this season is about the "rise of Lex Luthor" I think the writers forgot one some crucial element, Lex exsists because Superman allows him too and THAT, perhaps more than anything, drives him to hate Superman.
Lex WANTS to be the most powerful man in the World, Superman is.

Luthor5339
11-17-2006, 09:01 AM
Personally never saw it as Lex being mad that Superman allows him to go on??? Don't know what the heck you're getting at there...

Lex has always viewed Superman as an alien. And all aliens are scheming evil whack jobs that need to be dealt with. All these aliens and kryptofreaks are just a bunch of crazy lunatics. And that he, by means of getting rid of the Man of Steel, would actually be doing a service for humanity. And that humanity is too stupid to believe that Superman is actually a good guy.

And, that /\ I can DEFINITELY see. That's why I say Lex may have lots of shades of 'gray' when it comes to his hate of Superman. That and they were raised differently, Lex does whatever he wants (taking a life is meaningless) while Superman prevents him from doing that. Lex also wants power and money because he believes it will lead to happiness- Lexmas- which will turn out to not be the case at all.

chlarkfan333
11-17-2006, 09:08 AM
I liked this episode quite a bit despite its many failings. Here's why -

Clark made a choice to go after the Zoner than play hero for an ex-friend and an ex-girlfriend.

Clark is starting to realise that there is at least one (if not more) person who is far more powerful than he is and doesn't know which side of the battle he fights for.

Lex is going fall hard when things go wrong with him and Lana. He likes to control things and I have a feeling he is not going to be able to control that particular relationship and when Lana betrays him (yes, I think there will be a betrayal of epic proportions) his descent into madness will be complete.

Battlelines were drawn in this episode between Chloe and the Luthors/Lana once with the Chlionel scene and then with the Chlana scene.

Chloe's arc has officially started.

Finally, since I pride myself on being honest, the lack of Lois had a little something to do with me liking this episode. :D

Luthor5339
11-17-2006, 09:10 AM
/\ Might be possible. Because there was a very awkward sense of Lana wanting and hating Clark in the previous episode.

The look on her face- I though she was seriously going to say. "What have I done with my life?!" To Clark, but alas that didn't happen.

But, that scene... I don't know- you're idea is very possible.

chlarkfan333
11-17-2006, 09:35 AM
I forgot to add to my list - Lex killed a guy.

AJ80
11-17-2006, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Luthor5339
Personally never saw it as Lex being mad that Superman allows him to go on??? Don't know what the heck you're getting at there...

Lex has always viewed Superman as an alien. And all aliens are scheming evil whack jobs that need to be dealt with. All these aliens and kryptofreaks are just a bunch of crazy lunatics. And that he, by means of getting rid of the Man of Steel, would actually be doing a service for humanity. And that humanity is too stupid to believe that Superman is actually a good guy.

And, that /\ I can DEFINITELY see. That's why I say Lex may have lots of shades of 'gray' when it comes to his hate of Superman. That and they were raised differently, Lex does whatever he wants (taking a life is meaningless) while Superman prevents him from doing that. Lex also wants power and money because he believes it will lead to happiness- Lexmas- which will turn out to not be the case at all.

That's how it is with all villains. They try to justify their behavior as "doing what's best for humanity," when in reality, they have selfish ambitions. With Lex, Lex loves power. He likes being in control and likes to control others. That's how he's always been. Not to mention, Lex is very narrow minded and twisted, hence, the reason why he's a villain.

Anakin Skywalker became just as twisted, maybe even moreso. Heck, that sick, evil bastard was trying to justify him killing kids, so he can save his wife? What a sick bastard. Anakin disserved to die for what he did. Him trying to justify his horrific actions is what made him a villain in the first place.

Not only is Lex narrow minded when it comes to Superman, there's also a jealousy of him, which has been shown throughout the years. Lex likes being in control and likes power, and hates the fact that in his mind, Superman has taken over his turf (Metropolis), so to speak. With Lex being so twisted and evil, he fails to realise that Superman cares less about power and has never, ever been about power or control. Superman is there to help and has always put the needs of others before his own. That's why Lex hates Superman so much. Lex viewing him as an alien and putting his own twisted spin on Superman is his way of justifying his own evil actions, instead of taking responsibility for himself and realising just how wrong he is. Lex being that twisted is ventage Lex Luthor.

That's what SV should show, and they should show why Clark and Lex become enemies. Lana should have nothing to do with it because quite frankly, she's not an important character. She never has been and never will be. Neither is Chloe or Jimmy. Besides, what little importance they do have is revolved around Superman, as Chloe is a childhood friend and Jimmy is Superman's pal. The show shouldn't even try to make them more important than Clark or Lex because it looks bad when they do, just as it does with Lana.

Face it, the show has lost focus. They've turned Clark into a useless, secondary character and Lex is yet another pawn who's obsessed with Lana. The show is about them, just like Clark is the central character. People want to see the makings of Superman, not this other garbage. I think AlMiles sometimes forget about that, and you know what? The bad ratings are reflecting this.

Not to mention, I don't think AlMiles really get Superman at all. Before this show came on the air, they've even admitted they didn't do their research and at a comic-con, it was even more apparent, when it was obvious that the fans knew far more than they ever did. The writing is a reflection of this. They really need to go back to the drawing board, do their research, and finally show Clark becoming Superman, not this other garbage they've showing. They also need to concentrate more on the Clark/Lex relationship and why they become future enemies. Afterall, they are the true stars of the show, not Lana and not Chloe.

Bizzaro1975
11-17-2006, 09:42 AM
I didnt like this episode as much as i had been waiting to see it. I didnt get my fill on clark. ONly good thing i saw was that clark was starting to think of people in general and not just the ones close to him. When chloe was trying to get him to help lex, clark responded by saying innocent peoples lives were at stake.
Martian manhunter was cool wish there was more of him in the episode. I didnt quite understand clark at the end when chole was talking to him. he seemed like he just wasnt in a good mood.
not one of my fav episodes.

Krypton935
11-17-2006, 11:09 AM
I loved it! It was awesome. Great episode. But it could have used more Clark.I loved it though. But, so much for truth. Clark steals a coroners badge and lies about being one. All well it was still totally awesome! Very :D Happy :D

Kryptonian-Ronin
11-17-2006, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by AJ80
That's how it is with all villains. They try to justify their behavior as "doing what's best for humanity," when in reality, they have selfish ambitions. With Lex, Lex loves power. He likes being in control and likes to control others. That's how he's always been. Not to mention, Lex is very narrow minded and twisted, hence, the reason why he's a villain.

Anakin Skywalker became just as twisted, maybe even moreso. Heck, that sick, evil bastard was trying to justify him killing kids, so he can save his wife? What a sick bastard. Anakin disserved to die for what he did. Him trying to justify his horrific actions is what made him a villain in the first place.

Not only is Lex narrow minded when it comes to Superman, there's also a jealousy of him, which has been shown throughout the years. Lex likes being in control and likes power, and hates the fact that in his mind, Superman has taken over his turf (Metropolis), so to speak. With Lex being so twisted and evil, he fails to realise that Superman cares less about power and has never, ever been about power or control. Superman is there to help and has always put the needs of others before his own. That's why Lex hates Superman so much. Lex viewing him as an alien and putting his own twisted spin on Superman is his way of justifying his own evil actions, instead of taking responsibility for himself and realising just how wrong he is. Lex being that twisted is ventage Lex Luthor.

That's what SV should show, and they should show why Clark and Lex become enemies. Lana should have nothing to do with it because quite frankly, she's not an important character. She never has been and never will be. Neither is Chloe or Jimmy. Besides, what little importance they do have is revolved around Superman, as Chloe is a childhood friend and Jimmy is Superman's pal. The show shouldn't even try to make them more important than Clark or Lex because it looks bad when they do, just as it does with Lana.

Face it, the show has lost focus. They've turned Clark into a useless, secondary character and Lex is yet another pawn who's obsessed with Lana. The show is about them, just like Clark is the central character. People want to see the makings of Superman, not this other garbage. I think AlMiles sometimes forget about that, and you know what? The bad ratings are reflecting this.

Not to mention, I don't think AlMiles really get Superman at all. Before this show came on the air, they've even admitted they didn't do their research and at a comic-con, it was even more apparent, when it was obvious that the fans knew far more than they ever did. The writing is a reflection of this. They really need to go back to the drawing board, do their research, and finally show Clark becoming Superman, not this other garbage they've showing. They also need to concentrate more on the Clark/Lex relationship and why they become future enemies. Afterall, they are the true stars of the show, not Lana and not Chloe.

Well said, I would probably just add that, what irks Lex even more is the fact that Superman can do all the things Lex wishes he can do, but doesn't. IE: if Superman wanted he could rule the earth, instead he chooses to serve mankind, this must really wrinkle his underwear !!

Nerial
11-17-2006, 11:38 AM
Horrible episode. Not the worst one out there, but certainly edging near the top.

Pros:
1) Clark choosing to go to Seattle instead of rescuing Lex
2) Batista and his bone munching neccesity
3) Martian Manhunter.
4) Chloe and Jimmy moments were cute
5) 33.1 finally brought to the table again

Cons:
1) Lexana. I'm not even an anti-Lexana person; I like the end of Clana, and enjoy evil Lana, but jeez, it was all sap-crap.
2) Static. Special effects for it sucked, the resolution for it was weak (Jimmy's radio saved the day?), and it invited in way too much Lexana.
3) Convenience. Of course, Clark goes into a crime scene, and the medical officer naturually assumes he's some type of student. Convenient much???
4) Inconsistent Lana. She drove me nuts in Season five with this, and it's all the same again. One week, "I don't trust him," the next, "I love him." Gag--puke.
5) Inconsistent 33.1. Did anyone notice that THE ELEVATOR stopped on 33.1. The camera pointed it out. It's obviously a secret...something. They kept saying it does't exist, which is CLEARLY wrong.
6) BIGGEST WHINE - WHIMPY CLARK!!! OMG, what the hell was that, anyway? For once, I was actually interested in a FOTW (or ZOTW)--he had a scary neccesity for bones, was killing people, Clark comes in to save the day...and then nothing. No fight. The guy picked Clark up like he was a bag of straws, and Clark couldn't do squat. Please. I AM SO SICK OF LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS BIG FIGHT THEY PROMOTE IN THE PREVIEWS ONLY TO DISCOVER THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST. MM was cool, but Clark is the star of the show. He was barely in this one.

If we had a rating scale, I'd give this one a 3. Boring, stupid FOTW, and anti-climatic. Bad way to end for a break.

Green Lantern Vox
11-17-2006, 11:56 AM
Wow, I thought I liked this episode until I came on the boards. I haven't been on here for a while and it looks like a mob is forming to take out the SV Team. yikes.

I do agree that this has been a very different start of a season.. but to me it feels more like a stage setting. Setting the stage is never my favorite part of a show.
I have read good points on both sides of the argument. Personally I was drawn to Smallville because of the Comic history to the show. I do think Clark should be the focus but at the same time there is a good argument to be made that Jimmy, Lois & Lex are a HUGE part of that 60 year history. Martha and Lana have always been a back story or C level support, but still important in the WHY HE IS part of the mythos. As for the show, Lionel and Chloe are two of the best actors on staff and have made their characters central. So.. if these first 10 episodes are to set the stage for Clark seeing he is destined to be top dog of the JLA and also boy scout to the world.. then more of the plots make sense to me.
I do not like, however, using Lana as the reason for Lex and Supes being enemies for life. I have to agree that they have turned her character into an awful and evil person. I guess certain comic writers have taken her out of Smallville and gave her immense power and authority at times.. but carrying Lex's baby.. seems like they are just trying too hard to keep her relevent.

Cool to see MM. I'd rather of seen Green Lantern but what can ya do? I can't wait until JUSTICE!!

So what needs to happen now:
Lana needs to fade away (as her character is supposed to)
Lionel must pass away (sad because he is my favorite.
Jimmy has to become good pals with Clark
Lex has to be much more evil!!
Clark needs to leave home and become Superman.. and Lois needs to fall in Love with Superman (not necesarily fall in love with Clark)
Screw the NO TIGHTS NO FLIGHTS thing and just give us superman this season.

Also, is it official? Is this the last season of Smallville?
Thanks

GLVox

TheOriginalKal-el
11-17-2006, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by aqua
I would have thought it'd be impossible to mess up a show with so much ponential.. I shouldn't have doubted AlMiles.

Smallville's a joke. It's a soap opera.

Where was Clark? This show is revolving around Lexana and the Green Arrow. When it's not about one, it's about the other. The main character, Superman to be, is barely in the picture anymore for all of this soap opera crap. There's more emphasis on Lex and Lana, Ollie and Lois, Jimmy and Chloe, Lionel and Martha than there is on his destiny. He hasn't grown at all towards being a hero. It's pathetic that these romance plots are overwhelming the show.

Lana is a joke. She's a mess of a character. She is written so inconsistently. She's a hypocrite, she's a liar, she's judgemental, self-righteous, annoying, whiny.. shall I go on? It's so bad that the show is revolving around her and she's so crappily written.

Lex isn't the Lex Luthor that we know. He's a schoolboy with a crush on the beautiful girl. He is moving backwards in his progression.

The acting was laughable, the writing was scatty and subpar.. just a horrible episode all around.

Great job, AlMiles! :)

BRAVO! Well said. I didn't think an episode could be any worse than Wither, I'm so THRILLED to be proven wrong. I see the previews about Batista vs Clark and I thought this should be interesting. It got what about 5 minutes of air time? Lana loves Lex so much...Lex would do anything...blah blah blah... You're going to tell me back in Season 1 when he gives Clark concert tickets and urges him to go for it, he's secretly setting her up for this? Yeah okay...really believable. I was actually enjoying the way Lex/Lana's relationship was headed prior to this episode. The symbolism of the Thanksgiving table..etc...but God forbid...

Brilliant job Al Miles! :rolleyes:


Originally posted by AJ80
Here's the problem:

Yet again, these writers are making everying about Lana, a one dimensional, boring, one note character who isn't even a big part of the Superman mythology. Lana has never been an important character and the fact that these writers don't know what to do with her just supports that claim even more.

People don't give a rats ass about Jimmy, Chloe, or Lana. Heck, fans are even getting sick of Oliver Queen. People care about Clark, Lex, the Clark/Lex future rivary, and that's it! People care about HOW Clark becomes the greatest superhero, how Lex becomes the greatest villain, why Lex will have such hatred and jealousy towards Superman (Clark's future heroic personna), and why he and Superman will be bitter enemies. You know what? The Clark/Lex relationship will be part of that.

No one cares about Lana, and the fact that they are bastardizing this rivary by making it all about Lana is just sickening.

This is Clark's show. He should NEVER, EVER, be reduced to a useless, secondary character on his own show, in favor of a bunch of secondary characters no one either gives a rats ass about, or who aren't a huge part of the Superman mythology, anyhow. And he shouldn't play second fiddle to guest stars, either.

This is also Lex's show and he shouldnt' be reduced to a Lana-loving bafoon, either.

Sorry, but this show has lost its focus and it hasn't been the same since season three. The writing is bad and the overall quality of the show is bad. As a result, the ratings are down this year. I don't want to hear the excuse of it being on Thursdays, yadda, yadda, because quite frankly, I don't want to hear it. The ratings are down because the show is bad and people have lost interest. That's why. The show continues to lose fans right and left and until things improve, this show will continue to lose fans.

Edited to say: If people want a JLA love fest, go watch Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, and the Superfriends all on DVD or on Boomerang. SV should be about Clark's destiny, and about Lex's destiny, and how everything ties into their destinies and how its going to be connected to the other.

Exactly. This show is about SUPERMAN granted a young one named Clark Kent. NOT the JLA.

ImperialStingmon
11-17-2006, 12:21 PM
I had a couple of problems with this episode.

1. Clark's role was way too diminished and they basically bs'd the whole thing. I mean the cops and other government people in Seattle were WAY too easily fooled. Also, Clark thought "Oh I'll just suck this guy up with the crystal." That didn't work and Clark just decides "Oh ok. I'll just find this guy again and try to talk him out of eating people's spines." Yeah that worked real well.

2. I find it a little hard to believe that Lionel managed to move a whole floor of experiments and people in less than 24 hours.

3. If MMH shapeshifted to Chloe at the end you have to wonder how he knows what she looks like. If that was actually Chloe then god was that awkward. The cheesiest lines ever.

I'd say 5 out of 10.

smallvilleobsessor17
11-17-2006, 01:12 PM
I thought this episode was TERRIBLE. It was definitely the worst one of the season so far. I was laughing during the whole episode, it was that bad. One thing I don't understand is why TPTb would split the episode into two different topics like that. They tried to fit the whole Lex static thing and the Clark thing in together. Neither of the topics got enough time. And Jimmy is a dork. And the whole L****a thing was PAST CORNY. I never thought I'd see the day when SV was worse than corny, but I have.

If I had never seen this episode, I would have eventually died happy.

Fly by guy
11-17-2006, 01:41 PM
Horrible. Take Thirst, Ageless, and Hypnotic which were awful, mash them together, add some spew and chunks and we would get near what I thought of this episode. Truly gawd awful.

RedKalEL
11-17-2006, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by All about Clark
Right there with you BadToad.

same here. I feel bad for Batisa what a waste of a great guest star. I liked hte 33.1 but they need ot blance between the two storylines. Me and my screamed "COME ON!" after the part when batisa threw clark and and htne clark jumped back down and batisa was gone and then they cut back to chloe when we jsut had a 5 min scene wit her lana and jimmy

Jason423
11-17-2006, 02:20 PM
All in all another dissapointing episode. The whole build of the show was really to Lex telling Lana that Clark is from another planet, which would have been a great cliffhanger(albeit one meant more for a season ender), instead we get a usual "wiil she or wont she" finish.

Im new to this site, but always been a fan of this show, but its gone downhill since the guys all left high school. Something just doesnt work for me right now and this episode was pretty much rock bottom. Clark needs to break away from smallville. Hopefully once its all out in the open about Lex and Lana hell get a new reason to head elsewhere.

Bizzaro1975
11-17-2006, 02:42 PM
I was expecting to get a little more fight out of batista and maybe learn a little about the character he was playing other than that he was not a phantom and he was feeding on humans. He dies to quickly and Clark didnt even fight back.
WHy didnt the guy who phases from frequency to frequency just shift phase when lex was about to stab him?

sphrkilo
11-17-2006, 03:07 PM
After watching the episode a second time this afternoon, I really have to say that I did not enjoy it at all. Anything that gives Lana a few more lame excuses to ignore all of the things she knows for a fact that Lex has done in the past just kind of angers me. The whole relationship is warped, and I see no reason for them to be together at all. Let's face it, Lana was not happy when she found out that she was pregnant, but suddenly Lex disappears and she's all gung-ho about it? Please. I was really disappointed about the way that they used, or rather didn't use, Batista. Who was he? What exactly was his reason for feeding off of all of these people? It had to have been building up to something, because what would be the point of him constantly feeding off of people? His character wasn't in the episode enough, and neither was Clark. I realize that there are other characters in the show with their own stories, however as of late it seems that they've forgotten who the main character is. Also, I'd really like for the Smallville team to decide who Lionel Luthor is going to be. Is he going to be the sweet man sitting at dinner for Thanksgiving or the man covering up an illegal project with his son? They have me really confused with his character right now. After how great last week's show was, this one just really sucked for me. I hope episode 9 will be better. 4 out of 10 from me.

diva
11-17-2006, 03:34 PM
Hated it, thought it was worse than Wither

Typically after an episode is over, I rewind the tape and start rewatching it during Supernatural's commercial breaks. Didn't have the desire to do that last night at all. First time since I started watching the show that that has happened.

Bored to tears by, rolling my eyes at, and cringing during the sappiness of Lexana, and the flip flopping/head-buried-in-the-sand mentality/ungrateful b**chiness of Lana. And that loud tinkly music during the proposal was annoying the crap out of me. My ears and my eyes (watching the non-ending flowers and candles) were hurting.

And what was with the marathon make-out session practically over the dead body with the knife sticking out of its chest? Did nobody notice it, or did it stay in static-land?

Disappointed in the fact that they promoted this episode indicating there'd be a significant Clark vs. Aldar (Batista's character) battle, but Clark's whole thing got 10 minutes (if even that) of screen time, with the fight being not much of one at all. You get a WWE wrestler, someone who can provide a real challenge to the future Superman to guest star on the show and give him this?

So we've had 2 out of the 3 PZoners Clark has had to fight so far taking a back seat to angsty, sappy romance drama. I think they should have had the Clark vs. Zoner stuff in a different episode and have it be the A plot there, otherwise if you're going to keep chucking it to the side why bother to introduce the arc in the first place?

Jimmy's technobabble went over my head, so I didn't care. And that machine at the end thing looked hokey (but maybe that's JO - I don't read comics, so I don't know).

The reintroduction of Level 33.1 was decent and I'll probably enjoy that storyline in future (and hopefully, more entertaining) episodes.

And I liked Clark investigating on his own and choosing to go after the more imminent, dangerous threat instead of saving Lex from yet another kidnapping (and what was up with Chloe telling him he should do otherwise? That was an OOC/WTF moment). I just wish he had something more constructive to do than just walk around a dock and get saved by someone else AGAIN.

But the only thing that got me excited was the MM cameo (though I wasn't exactly thrilled with the circumstances), and that may be the only thing that saves this episode from being taped over during the next new episode.

chlarkfan333
11-17-2006, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Jason423
All in all another dissapointing episode. The whole build of the show was really to Lex telling Lana that Clark is from another planet, which would have been a great cliffhanger.


Lex, as far as the audience knows, is not aware that Clark is alien. I would also have to disagree the the show was building up to Lex revealing the Clark room to Lana. The plot involving Lex, Lana, and Chloe had two clear objectives viz. Lana acknowledges her 'feelings' for Lex resulting in the solidification of her allegiance to him, the father of her child AND the start of Chloe's arc for the season (level 33.1). Lex had everything to lose and nothing to gain by showing Lana the Clark room.

Jason423
11-17-2006, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Lex, as far as the audience knows, is not aware that Clark is alien. I would also have to disagree the the show was building up to Lex revealing the Clark room to Lana. The plot involving Lex, Lana, and Chloe had two clear objectives viz. Lana acknowledges her 'feelings' for Lex resulting in the solidification of her allegiance to him, the father of her child AND the start of Chloe's arc for the season (level 33.1). Lex had everything to lose and nothing to gain by showing Lana the Clark room.
I shouldnt say that the show itself built to it. I guess the commercials leading up to this breathtaking finish is what had me thinking he finally has it all together and is going to break the news to her. He hadnt proposed to her at that point and the way Lana says they need to do something about these people it would have been the final wedge in any potential relationship between Lana and Clark.

coasterprincess
11-17-2006, 05:13 PM
There was good stuff, bad stuff, and stuff that made me want to throw myself off of a cliff.

Pros
~The starts of the 33.1 arc. Gives Chloe something to start working out without walking Clark through all of SVs problems. Plus it's the return of MB.
~Clark doing a touch of his own investigating. Grabbing the badge and pulling off that bit in Seattle showed that he is starting to grow a brian.

Neutral/Random
~When Batista pulled out the guy's spine...I giggled. Totally not what I was expecting. Didn't love it....Didn't hate it.
~Jimmy- Love the character...I think he's funny and good to have around as a minor character. Didn't like so much the "Jimmy saves the day". Photographer....computer/radio geek...not exactly the same thing

Bad
~Lana and 33.1. I've come to the conclusion Lana's brain only works on days that start with T. One minute she's like I trust Lex and I don't wanna know....blah blah blah. Then she's like "but if you were....I would understand"

Really Really Bad
~Lexana....never understood it to begin with....hate it even more now. Let's say it was vaguely tolerable and not a total sap-fest. It still took up wayyy too much screen time.

Final score 5/10

redraven
11-17-2006, 05:35 PM
I hated it, Static is definitely one of my least favorite Smallville episodes.

I have seriously never been so bored during SV in my 5 years of watching it. The entire episode was focused on Lex and Lana, and those episodes usually always end up being terrible, imo. There was probably 5 mins. of Clark, which irritated me, along with the entire 2 mins. that MMH and Batista were featured in. :rolleyes:

What really disappointed me in the episode is that in Rage, I liked Lana. She seemed like she was getting over the bitterness with Clark, seemed to realize what a mistake it was to be pregnant with Lex's baby, and I thought she would figure out how bad Lex really is and eventually turn against him.

I wasn't expecting Lana to be all 'I love you' and 'I need you' to Lex just because he disappeared for a little while. It just bothered the hell out of me.

Overall 0.5/10

Spirit Detective
11-17-2006, 05:54 PM
I need to make this clear right now: TPTB/Writers/Al Gough/Miles Millar are stupid! (Yes I know that this is harsh)

This episode had so much potential. Instead, they blew it all on the Lexana filth. I HATED how Clark was delegated to only about 7 minutes of screen time.
I hated Lana's character even more. Why she couldn't trust that FOTW (Who was trying to do the right thing) is beyond me.
She IS OBSESSED WITH SECRETS AND LIES (WTF is up with you. She must have had too much head trauma)
She has sold her sold to the devil and that devil is Lex Luthor.

The Cons:

The Martian Manhunter OTK (One-touch-Kill)
The EXTREMELY SHORT Bastista-Clark smackdown
Lana Lang
Lex is the main focuss of the episode


The Pros:

Level 33.1 ( a place first revealed in Jinx and then the Vengeance Chronicles)
A more proactive Clark
The Martian Manhunter/J'onn J'onz
Batista

The writers only have two more Zoners left, they better make the most of it unlike what they did to Batista

samuelm7
11-17-2006, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by tokenblackguy
The only good thing about this episode of the Lana and Lex soap opera was MM, because honestly the whole Lex/Lana Love thing was like a -10. Get rid of Lexana, I mean kill them both off.


Yoko Ono's courtship of John Lennon (or vice versa) ultimately lead to the demise of The Beatles. I predict that fans of "Smallville"--years from now-- will similarly regard the Lex and Lana romance in season six as the sole factor that resulted in the dissolution of the show. The writers and producers of "Smallville" have admited to dwelling on the failed relationship of Clark and Lana for far too long, so why make the fans of the show even more miserable by introducing this wretched Lana and Lex arc? If it is merely to have Lana die in childbirth (or another circumstance) so that Lex's animosity for Clark will be ignited full force? If so, I'd rather watch Leonard Pinth-Garnell (Dan Aykroyd) hosting "Bad Episodes of Smallville."

msw44
11-17-2006, 09:37 PM
I am one who ALWAYS defends Smallville, and there are very few episodes that I flat out don't like. This episode, however, was probably my least favorite EVER.

The pros:
--Jimmy and Chloe were pretty cute
--Kristen did a great job in her crying scene talking to Lex
--Lionel asking to be Lex's partner--I LOVE Lex and Lionel together

The cons:
--THE STORY WAS HARDLY ABOUT CLARK! I'm getting sick of these episodes that have to do with every character except Clark. I think we saw Clark in about 15 minutes of the episode. The rest of it was Lex and Lana, who I CAN'T STAND. I've hated Lexana from the beginning and I agree with everyone else who says that they are unbelievable and rediculous. I really liked last weeks episode because we got to see some good Clark/Lana interaction, as well as Lana being tempted to leave Lex. Put an end to Lexana already...I don't know how much more I can take! This is worse than waiting for Clana to FINALLY break up!
--I was OK with Green Arrow coming to Smallville, and with the guest appearances of Bart Allen and Aquaman, but come on. I want to see Clark Kent as the hero, not all these other guys. I want to see Superman as the ultimate superhero! Now bring in whoever it was for all of 5 seconds? Lame.
--Hardly any Chloe/Clark interaction
--No Martha or Lois at all
--Lana was almost coming back from the brink of being "evil," and she just took a HUGE step back toward the dark side. I hate an evil Lana. It's not her character.

Don't get me wrong, I"m sure I'll love Smallville till the end. And as I said before, there are very few episodes that I don't like. I was just very disappointed with this episode. Oh well, hopefully the next one's better. :)

Jaded Wolf
11-17-2006, 10:13 PM
Read my profile and you know I am a comic book geek. I have also followed Smallville since its beginning. Last night though I was ready for this episode to be done with quickly. The hype on Martian Manhunter was just underdone and for nothing. If no one had an acute knowledge of the DC Universe or read any spoilers at all, no one would have known that was MM. I only knew because I read it here. I am not much of a MM familiar.

Second, this whole Lex and Lana thing. :mad: The acting was terrible. "I love you Lana," Lex says. The same Lex who in "Rage" most likely killed that lab tech. The same Lex who told Lana she had trust issues. Now in one episode, something weird happens and he turns all sentiment and lovey dovey. Ugh... Then Lana's crying scene. I was watching and just cringing. I almost changed channels and the only reason I stayed was because MM was supposed to be in the show.

Batista was underused. His character might have been cool if he had more time. Clark didn't get a chance to fight him and I have never really known J'onn to just execute someone like that. I just think this episode, like "Rage" at the beginning, was not planned out properly. I hope the season gets better or we may not see the conclusion of this series.

Luthorism
11-18-2006, 03:32 AM
this episode sucked!!

The crying scene of Lana so sucked! One of many worst performances of Lana! She can't act!!

And Where is lois and martha??
I'm sick and tired of watching crappy Lana scenes.

Only good things about this episode are
Martian Manhunter and Clark's not giving a f**k about Lexana.

Mysticlies
11-18-2006, 09:34 AM
worst episode this season

RedKalEL
11-18-2006, 09:37 AM
i don't mind lexana but not when it's the focus of a episode

Laguine
11-18-2006, 09:47 AM
Every episode with Lois is a waste a air time. Can't wait for the next episode. This one is gonna rock!!!

kkjdt
11-18-2006, 12:10 PM
All I have to say is after this episode I wish more now than before that Lana would of died in Reckoning! it would of been a better plot for her character than this.

Puckhead
11-18-2006, 01:40 PM
I tried to like this episode, but I can't. The direction seemed so choppy, the plotlines are de-emphasizing Clark too much. I wanted a badass fight between the Zoner and Clark, but what did we get? MM flying in (awesome effects btw) and dispatching the bad guy before Clark even got a bloody nose. Is it that Welling has such limited range as an actor that they have to bring in so many characters? It's interesting, but I like the epi's with Green Arrow and Clark, their friendship is kind of cool with GA taunting Clark a bit to 'man up'.

Timester
11-18-2006, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Laguine
Every episode with Lois is a waste a air time. Can't wait for the next episode. This one is gonna rock!!!

Yes, Lois is the reason of why many hate "Static". Oh, wait...

smallvillereporter27
11-18-2006, 09:05 PM
This episode was...eh...but it wasn't the worst ever. It had some high points...and some low points.
High points: Jimmy/Chloe scenes are always adorable, Lionel is turning back into his old MB self, the Lex/Lionel story arc on level 33.1, MM making an apperance, Chloe/Lana confrontation (forshadowing that their relationship is probably going downhill, which is pretty interesting)
Low Points: Lexana, Clark's little screen time (why is HE in the B plot?!?!?), both the meteor freak AND zoner weren't all that interesting, lame cliffhanger (who didn't see that coming), Clark once again pushing away Chloe and all others for that matter.

Overall i give this episdoe a 6.5/10

samuelm7
11-18-2006, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by kkjdt
All I have to say is after this episode I wish more now than before that Lana would of died in Reckoning! it would of been a better plot for her character than this.

I've been feeling the same way and absolutely agree with you. But the writers of "Smallville" obviously wanted to pay homage to the scene in "Superman: The Movie" (1978) where Superman turns back time in order to save Lois. In retrospect, that plot-line "salute" which ended up saving Lana's life required a "rectification" of its own: the wretched Lexana arc and the ultimate demise of our beloved TV show. Apparently, Jor-El wasn't satisfied with merely taking the life force of Jonathan Kent. He wanted to make the fans of "Smallville" miserable, too, by having Lana not only spurn Clark but have her romantically cavort with his enemy, Lex, for the purpose of providing the young billionaire with an heir. Or, there may be another explanation: Clark disobeyed Jor-El's command to kill Lex and by bringing about the death of Brainiac, unwittingly destroyed the Fortress of Solitude. The spirit of Jor-el is exacting revenge for the destruction of his 12-story igloo--and for Clark failing to begin his training--by transforming Lana into a Kryptonian "Superslut," upsetting the FCC with the show's steamy sex scenes, resulting in almost certain cancellation of "Smallville."

Clark may have escaped from the Phantom Zone, but why do I feel trapped in this wretched Lexana Zone?

[Krypton_Eradicator]
11-19-2006, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by aqua
I would have thought it'd be impossible to mess up a show with so much ponential.. I shouldn't have doubted AlMiles.

Smallville's a joke. It's a soap opera.

Where was Clark? This show is revolving around Lexana and the Green Arrow. When it's not about one, it's about the other. The main character, Superman to be, is barely in the picture anymore for all of this soap opera crap. There's more emphasis on Lex and Lana, Ollie and Lois, Jimmy and Chloe, Lionel and Martha than there is on his destiny. He hasn't grown at all towards being a hero. It's pathetic that these romance plots are overwhelming the show.

Lana is a joke. She's a mess of a character. She is written so inconsistently. She's a hypocrite, she's a liar, she's judgemental, self-righteous, annoying, whiny.. shall I go on? It's so bad that the show is revolving around her and she's so crappily written.

Lex isn't the Lex Luthor that we know. He's a schoolboy with a crush on the beautiful girl. He is moving backwards in his progression.

The acting was laughable, the writing was scatty and subpar.. just a horrible episode all around.

Great job, AlMiles! :)


I believe the term used is character driven. I mean, Superman has already been around for more than 50 years and we all know where it leads to. Only thing that's left was how it all started.. I mean the Clearer picture! That is why the focus tends to shift from one character to another. It would have been boring nonetheless if we can only see Clark winning the fights just because he is "Superman". Everything will be all too predictable by then.

No offense Aqua, but I think AlMiles is doing a great job for putting the heart into a saga..

Fly by guy
11-19-2006, 03:46 PM
I think the classic How the Grinch stole Christmas used the appropriate line for this time of year.

STINK, STANK, STUNK!!!!!

K/T
11-19-2006, 04:19 PM
I loved this episode, very suave.

President_Luthor
11-19-2006, 06:22 PM
Sadly, this ep. means that Batista will NOT advance to "Mayhem in Metropolis". He clearly had the advantage, but how could he know that Clark had an accomplice -- that guy they call the Manhunter. WHY didn't the ref call it a disqualification? It's a blatant case of interference. Luckily, it wasn't a title match this time. The fix is in for Mayhem, eh?! :lol:

On a more serious note, we saw how quickly Clark brushes off his hometown "buddies": Lex and Lana. Someone still has an axe to grind, eh, Clark. Kudos to Chloe for trying to appeal to his sensible side ... but Clark's on a mission now. Gotta lock up all those Zoners he freed when he got locked up in the PZ -- which Clark could have avoided had he actually stuck/begun his training when he was supposed to. He's showing some initiative, by resorting to what he does best -- lying (ie pretending to be a med student, then swiping the coroner's badge). It's just a quibble, since he had to actually get to the crime scene somehow.

As for Lex Luthor's nursery (The Lex-ery?), this could be the beginning of Lex getting soft. It's already begun (33.1 vanished from right under his nose!). He's a daddy-to-be now. "Yes, dear, I'm making a run to Target for those baby blue booties. They're 50% off! Hold my calls."

What I got out of the episode:

Lex knows that Lana has his baby. Lex proposes. I was denied a chance to see Batista deliver a pile-driver on Clark. Clark meets yet another alien, one to whom Clark owes his life. Jimmy can help, too! Chloe and Lana debate the finer points of 'what is the truth' ie can you prove it / can you not prove it.

I'll give it 3 body-slams out of 5, but Clark's performance here won't earn him a title shot in Summerslam. Didn't the ref see that there was outside interference from the Manhunter?!?

dakotablacky
11-19-2006, 10:18 PM
I thought it was pretty shady of an episode. I mean they showed more of Martian Manhunters' Oreo Cookies than they did of Batista. And Lex proposing because daft Lana agrees to study meteor freaks, was retarded.

BULLITT
11-19-2006, 10:23 PM
MM was cool
For the Batista lovers, stick to watching what he does for a living.

red-K glory
11-20-2006, 06:18 AM
This episode was bad! The thing that really gets to me is that Clark was in the episode for only 10 maybe 15 minutes while the remaining 30-35 minutes went to Lana and Lex.

And another issue I have is that the battles with the Zoners have not been anything special, they have been pretty boring. All we see is Clark get thrown around and then he uses his crystal and everything is O.K. We need some better fights.

Batista was only in 3 or 4 very short scenes throughout the episode and in the advertisements they made it look like it was the main plot of the episode.......Of course how could I be so stupid? Of course the majority of screen time went to Lana. I am actually considering not watching the next episode because what was once an amazing show with alot of potential has become another addition to the long list of soap operas on TV.

BadToad
11-20-2006, 07:58 AM
Actually, Clark wasn't even in this episode for 10 minutes. He had a little over 7 minutes in screentime. Conversely, Lana had over 20 minutes of screentime.

myankskent
11-20-2006, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by BadToad
Actually, Clark wasn't even in this episode for 10 minutes. He had a little over 7 minutes in screentime. Conversely, Lana had over 20 minutes of screentime.

Did you actually time all of Clark's scenes? You sick person you. :)

BadToad
11-20-2006, 05:18 PM
:lol: I started doing it on a lark a few episodes ago, and I figured I'd carry on with it throughout the season. So, yes, I have the minute total for most of the main characters (Clark, Lex, Lana, Chloe, Lois, Oliver) from 6x01 to this dreck of an episode.

myankskent
11-20-2006, 05:28 PM
Would you care to share some of the Clark vs. Lana totals that you have compiled up until this, you say dreck, I'll say abomination, of an episode so that I can have a few laughs?

And just so this post does relate to the thread topic, I'd rather watch molasses drip down a wall than watch this pile of **** again.

MBCorp
11-20-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by BadToad
Actually, Clark wasn't even in this episode for 10 minutes. He had a little over 7 minutes in screentime. Conversely, Lana had over 20 minutes of screentime.

Wow! :eek: :eek: I had no idea it was *that* bad. I remember during S4 I got so annoyed by Lex's lack of screentime that I started timing his scenes and from what I remember Blank was the episode where he had the least time onscreen, and that was about 8 minutes. I remember doing a very angry post about it on the Blank forum. :p But jeez, Clark's the star. I guess Tom was pretty busy directing and that's why he wasn't in it very much?

myankskent
11-20-2006, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by MBCorp
Wow! :eek: :eek: I had no idea it was *that* bad. I remember during S4 I got so annoyed by Lex's lack of screentime that I started timing his scenes and from what I remember Blank was the episode where he had the least time onscreen, and that was about 8 minutes. I remember doing a very angry post about it on the Blank forum. :p But jeez, Clark's the star. I guess Tom was pretty busy directing and that's why he wasn't in it very much?

Actually, Gough has been wanting to do episodes without Clark in them for quite some time and the executives at the CW/WB had to keep reminding him that Clark was the main character of the show, so rather than cutting him out of the episode totally, he gave him his seven minutes. Great work Gough, way to get job done!

BadToad
11-20-2006, 05:56 PM
Would you care to share some of the Clark vs. Lana totals that you have compiled up until this, you say dreck, I'll say abomination, of an episode so that I can have a few laughs?

Sure, but we'd have to find the right forum for this. This thread really isn't right.

I can post the screen totals for this episode though:

Clark, 7m 33s
Lex, 15m, 44s
Lana, 21m, 52s (which incidently is the season high for any one character in an episode)
Chloe, 13m, 14s

MBCorp, in regards to Lex's screentime. Lex only had 5m, 16s of screentime in "Arrow". And in "Wither" and "Fallout", he had 8m+ in both those eps. Lana's season low was 4m, 52s in "Reunion".

And the episode that Clark had the most screentime in was, suprisingly, "Rage".

myankskent
11-20-2006, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by BadToad
Sure, but we'd have to find the right forum for this. This thread really isn't right.

I can post the screen totals for this episode though:

Clark, 7m 33s
Lex, 15m, 44s
Lana, 21m, 52s (which incidently is the season high for any one character in an episode)
Chloe, 13m, 14s

Thank you for posting that.:)

So Lana has triple the screentime compared to Clark in an episode where he is fighting a phantom zone criminal and Lana's screentime was an absolute waste anyway because all her character demonstrated in this episode was how inconsistent the writers can make her. That is a disgrace. You have to post the rest. How about in the general smallville discussion forum?

BadToad
11-20-2006, 06:24 PM
One thing to keep in mind, though it doesn't apply to "Static". Totals can be deceiving. For instance, the Clark character is in a lot of scenes, but often he's talked at, rather then having a scene about him. Its hard to explain :lol:

FrankTJMackey
11-20-2006, 08:33 PM
Static was so bad I can't believe we are commenting on it. this is proof of the decline of modern civilization. when we and/or international audiences realize that movies and tv shows suck really bad (or we just get sick of them, which seems more likely), chaos will erupt and anarchy will ensue until we're all burning in hell.

I hope this makes it clear how bad the ep was.

whitegold
11-21-2006, 02:56 AM
Actually I really enjoyed the episode! :D

But funnily enough whilst I was watching it I thought to myself - a lot of people won't like this one.

Its obvious to see why - Clark was sidelined in this show, and the whole story line with Clark was a bit of a waste. It would have been better if clark's sideline had somehow connected with the main plot.

But I enjoyed it. The 'different frequencies' bit was interesting; the resolving of Lex/Lana by both hearing each other express their feelings whilst not knowing the other could/would hear was interesting.

The willful blindness/ignorance of Lana
was also interesting. At the risk of sounding sexist its amazing how many women are blinded by their feelings even when objective evidence is before their eyes. Everyone else can see it but the girl is caught up in her feelings.

Its also interesting how Lana says how section 33.1 would 'justified'.

Willful blindness also leads to moral compromise. I once talked to a rather 'willfully blinded' mother. Her son was a real idiot in need of a good hiding, and I was on the phone to her discussing his behaviour. It turned out that the boy had been caught out lying about his movements. Her most memorable statements were 'the teachers all have it in for him' and 'they are all lying'.

Basically in this real life example she lost any objective moral sense.

For this season I've found Clark a very one dimensional figure. He seems to stand around trying to look mature - there seems to be zero acting.

Sweetie
11-21-2006, 11:25 AM
I hate it.It's Clark's show after all.Martian manhunter looked cool and the story around Clark was interesting,we only saw him a few minutes,then it was Lanaville again :mad:

cloisinmyheart
11-21-2006, 05:07 PM
clark was barely in it. it focused mainly on lexana..and what happened to lollie?

chlarkfan333
11-22-2006, 08:58 AM
Erica Durance is only contracted for a limited number if episodes (13, I believe) as is Justin Hartley (7 only). So, they won't appear in all the episodes and 'Static' was one of them. As for the lack of Clark, I'm with you on that one as are a number of SV fans.

myankskent
11-22-2006, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by FrankTJMackey
Static was so bad I can't believe we are commenting on it. this is proof of the decline of modern civilization. when we and/or international audiences realize that movies and tv shows suck really bad (or we just get sick of them, which seems more likely), chaos will erupt and anarchy will ensue until we're all burning in hell.

I hope this makes it clear how bad the ep was.

You weren't. Do you think that you can go into more detail about that?

Fly by guy
11-22-2006, 11:56 AM
This ep. was bad enough that even now it should be given a new title, say Hoover or Dyson. I guess it needs an "S" word like Sucks.

tzvetito
11-23-2006, 10:51 AM
I love it like every other episode of Smallville, but this episode was little boring!Lana do so many stupid things!:\

Chesay
11-23-2006, 02:10 PM
Oddly enough, I enjoyed the episode in spite of its irritants. Once I stopped having any expectations for the episodes they began to improve. I've enjoyed the Green Arrow and the wraiths from the zone despite the loss of screen time for Clark. If Clark is not on screen then he cannot appear as a big dumb alien. I do not like the implication of Clark coming to the super hero party after everyone else. He should lead the pack for my money.

However, that said, I am in for a disappointment I guess in that I am wondering how they will address the fact that Lex was married to Helen and nothing has been said to indicate that union was legally dissolved. It could provide some interesting angst should Lana accept the proposal and Lex discover he cannot marry her because ole Helen who refuses to divorce him. No, what they'll do is assume none of us remember Helen and go on blissfully.... How wonderful it would be to have Helen show up when the phrase "if anyone has just cause...speak now or forever hold your peace" was stated. I liked Helen and resented the way she was handled at the end as it was inconsistent with the previous presentation of her character. I'd love to see her twist Lexana out of shape!

Oh well, whatever they do will have to be alright I guess.

TWCK
11-25-2006, 12:48 PM
I hated it. A horrible way to start the break, imo.

We have maybe 15 minutes of Clark in total, and he's running around Useless in Seattle chasing down the most unintenially silly, campy bone eating monster. Not to mention they tried really hard to make things seem gruesome and it completely failed. It was all so unneeded, what with the blood and guts and 'bone marrow' splattered everywhere.

Don't know about you guys, but I thought this show was about Clark Kent. It's almost certainly turned into Lexanaville. The majority of us see how twisted and wrong this relationship is, so why do they feel the need to give us more vomit-inducing material than ever before? Don't get me wrong, I *can* deal with an episode where Clark is kinda pushed aside into the subplot a little bit. But the fact that he had barely any screentime engulfed in a really dumb plot (nerdy 33.1 meteor freak), the mangling of Lana's character ("Oh yes, I agree with you testing on and abusing meteor freaks. Let's completely disregard that I'm supposed to be a kind human being who would never allow that had I not been victim to ridiculous writing! I'm also in love with you, Lex!"), and the unnecessary amount of wannabe-gore (human remains and did anyone else find Lex stabbing that guy extremely disturbing? Well if Lana had seen that, I'm sure she'd get the hell away from him).

vyperman7
11-26-2006, 03:46 AM
This episode was absolutely terrible.

Season six has been a dissapointment to me so far. The only episodes that I can say I truly enjoyed were Zod and Arrow. This latest installment was just plain bad in my opinion.

First of all, an episode that is basically centered around Lex and Lana is never a good thing. I was open to the possibility of Lexana in the beginning if it was done the right way. But it has to be the most boring ship I have seen in a long time. Before it seemed like it was being used to at least fuel some sort of fire between Clark and Lex. But now it has just gone off on its own tangent. In regards to "being left breathless" anyone with half a brain could see that Lex would pop the question. I called it right after I saw the preview. First they make Lana pregnant, and now they have Lex asking to marry her. This show had so much potential in the first three seasons. I want the show I fell in love with all those years back.

Secondly, I found the FOTW in this episode to be boring overall because of his ability of turning himself into static. The writers come off like they are really reaching for ideas now. You also had WWE's Batista making a guest appearance which I was against from the beginning. However, he had a total of 3 minutes worth of screentime, and only a few lines, so it came off even worse then I was expecting. I am not a huge fan of Bow Wow, but at least he put on a halfway decent performance in Fallout.

Overall I was bored to tears by this episode, and found it to be almost as bad as Wither.

It had a few redeeming points in it..

1) The Level 33.1 storyline being brought back. If only they could do more with it. I have been hoping for years that they would bring back Lucas to help Lex run it.

2) Clark working on his own in more of an investigative sense. I really love the Chlark relationship is all sense of the word. But it was great to finally see Clark on his own, without having to use Chloe as a crutch. Some more journalistic/investigative forshadowing would be nice. The only downside here was that he received about 15 minutes of screentime in the whole episode. I wish the writers would remember that Clark is supposed to be the FOCUS of the show.

3) The brief scene with the Zoner flying up into the air, and leaving a streak behind that resembled a cape. Nice little Superman - esque moment. This actually got me somewhat interested in where they take the rest of the season.

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All I ask is that the writers please get back to the heart of the show. Dump the Lexana ship, and all of the gimmicks. Give us simple character development that lets us see why Clark and Lex end up who they become down the road.

RANT OVER...

kaimau
11-29-2006, 04:01 PM
looked like the show just wanted to put something out
because it was just boring and they wanted to give the other actors some airtime

parvey09
12-15-2006, 02:18 PM
damn this was a good episode but why i mean why does lana like lex he's nothing but a peice of sh!* i never really liked him i think she should go for clark and second of all lana is a stupid whore how could she bang lex nasty oh my god...lana you know your fine as hell

Jetta
01-10-2007, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by vyperman7
In regards to "being left breathless" anyone with half a brain could see that Lex would pop the question. I called it right after I saw the preview.

What are you talking about, I was left breathless. I yawned so hard that I left gasping for air.

Dark Knight23
03-08-2007, 08:14 PM
Finally, saw this episode for the first time. Only thing I didn't like about it was not enough Clark. It seemed like he was in it for a total of ten minutes, but oh well. I liked how they placed the oreos everywhere the Martian Manhunter was and liked how they showed him flying away. Cool episode.

JorEl23
03-09-2007, 10:19 AM
Despite my better judgement, I switched back and forth between this repeat and the hockey game last night. This was BY FAR the WORST episode in the history of the series, quite possibly the worst episode in ANY Superman themed medium ( movies, all tv shows from the 40's serial to cartoons, comics, etc )!!!! I was literally mortified by how horrendous and disgusting it was. I had to turn away from the screen several times it was sooo hard to watch!!! Sorry, Clana haters, I'd watch 22 episodes of Ageless all of next season than one milisecond of Static EVER again!!!!!!!

Mr.
04-03-2007, 08:26 PM
Ehh... no action and too much drama. The only thing i liked was the mini "fight" but more important the COOKIE!! and that super red eyed guy... i want to see him again soon please.

Quite impressive red eyed guy was in Clark's place and didn't even notice...

Gotta love the cookie. Awesome detail, DO IT AGAIN just randomly in another episode please! please! please!
PLEASE!

Mello Penelo
06-17-2007, 10:57 PM
Terrible. I hated this episode more than the exploding baby.

samndean4eva
09-01-2007, 03:05 AM
I didn't mind the episode, it wasn't the most exciting episode in the series, but it was still good.

lex fan 10
03-07-2009, 10:29 AM
i liked it :}

lex fan 10
03-22-2009, 12:58 PM
Cool batista from the wwe was in there awsome

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i like when clark fought the villan

LiliJ
04-11-2009, 02:26 PM
I really love how the Lexana ship was progressed in this episode. Lana remembered why she loved Lex, and there were some really nice Chimmy moments (The Infuriator - LOL!). And Kristen Kruek's acting in the scene close to the end when she admits her love for Lex... Beautiful.

Nimkong
03-01-2010, 05:44 PM
I loved this episode.#2 on my top 3.Liked the phantom,the cliffhanger,33.1 and a new superhero

SGuthrie27
09-11-2010, 07:03 PM
I'm kind of surprised that I didn't vote "Hated It." In the past, I've always said it's one of the worst episodes of the season. Actually, I STILL think it's one of the worst of the season, but I guess that means that the season wasn't QUITE as bad as I thought it was (in comparison to others). I still hate that phantom Aldar. I ALWAYS will hate that character. Too disgustingly gross. I mean, I guess it showed us, again, how Clark's fairly vulnerable to the phantoms, and it introduced Martian Manhunter, but... ugh. Chowing down on human bone marrow and ripping out their skeletons? That's nasty. SUPER-nasty. Ugh. Bronson, on the other hand, while having one of the goofiest super-powers ever invented, provided a pretty cool plotline that gave Jimmy, Chloe, and Lana all something to do, and amped up the Lexana tension even more. Kristin Kreuk's acting in the scene where she was talking to Lex, who she couldn't see due to his being stuck in another frequency, was pretty powerful, actually. The Level 33.1 storyline got a nod in a major way here, too, so I liked that element, and the resolution of it, which sort of put Chloe and Lana at odds, if only slightly, and Lionel and Lex in an interesting power struggle once again. The proposal at the end of the episode kind of came out of nowhere, but was filmed very well, and provided a nice cliffhanger. Chloe's conversation with Clark about "even heroes need to be saved" was pretty cool. Still, I'll have to give this only 2 and a half bags of human remains out of 10 for being one of the grossest episodes of Smallville I've seen.

KneelBeforeSmallville
05-03-2011, 08:32 PM
Watching it now, idk why, its painful. the A Lexanna plot is terrible but Ehh i enjoy the Clark Vs Batista stuff and the Martian Manhunter intro. The whole Lexanna thing is somthing that really kills most of the episodes for me, Why have them together? more drama? to shut out clark? at least make him proactive, they had this grand scale steller budget and there wasting it on a baby room for the Lex Jr and a jimmy olsen radio wave changer thingy? LOL!!! This is a painful disc to watch lol.

Raistlin
09-25-2011, 01:57 PM
Once I stopped having any expectations for the episodes they began to improve.

This is the only way to watch any television show. :lol: