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Naomi

02-18-2004, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by blossomhappy123
OK, I've heard a lot of members talking about Clex, and although I find this image very funny, I haven't noticed anything from either character to suggest this could be real.

Does anybody have any examples of Lex and Clark being anything more than friends? Specific scenes and quotes would be great.

Sure thing :)

For a start there's the long lingering looks. Try holding eye-contact with a friend for three or four seconds and you'll see how unnatural it feels to stare into somones eyes for a certain period of time.

A lot of us perceive Lex's pursuit of Clark as being homoerotic, "Our friendship is gonna be the stuff of legend", "I don't want anyone getting in the way of our friendship". In season 1 Clark was always flashing big beaming smiles whenever he saw Lex. They both lit up around each other.

Shimmer: Clark's jealousy of Victoria

Stray: Before getting in the car Lex gives Clark a lingering once-over like Clark is a delicious ice-cream sundee he wants to lick up. He looks downwards and checks out Clark's crotch

Tempest: Lex doing Clark's bow tie. And the long look he gives him as he leaves (well season 1 is full of those anyway).

Heat: Clark's double-take when he thinks Lex is running towards him. Clarks jealousy of Desirre.

Red: Lex blatently checking out RedK Clark, squinting lustfully at him. Clark flirting with Lex to get the car. Do many straight men batter their eyelashes to get what they want. Rewatch Tom's body language in that scene, blatently flirtatious.

Rush: When on RedK, Clark flirts with Lex again, but in a crueler way. He puts his arm around Lex, then he leaves him hanging.

Visitor: Lex having a lovely pin-up of Clark in his wall of obsession. I can understand the computer with the car crash, but why did he need that drool-worthy picture of Clark?

Phoenix: The way Clark and Lex were played as a lovers reunion. The music swelled, they walked towards on another in slow motion.

Obsession: LEX: In my experience, a person doesn't develop this kind of fixation unless she's been enouraged to think the relationship is more than just casual.

CLARK: You're saying I led her on?

LEX: I'm saying I've been there.

I wonder who he's talking about there?

Originally posted by RavenUK
Thats just silly, can't two guys be good friends without anyone thinking that they have romantic feelings for each other?

No worries there. I don't think many people slash Clark/Pete. There's a male friendship without people seeing romantic feelings.

More Clex moments! There's Lex always seming to grab phallic objects when he's around Clark. Fondling a pool cue whilst staring at Clark, gulping from those water bottles and stroking the necks of them. Season 1 was dripping with such imagery. For one of their first meetings Clark had a sword thrust at him!

There's also Clark's jealousy of Lucas in Prodigal and Lex's smirking at Clarks response to Lucas when Lex pulls up. And Zero with Martha asking Clark to "cool it" with Lex which isn't a very natural way of refering to your sons male friendship. Not to mention Lex finding Clark hanging from a cross dressed in his boxers only. Personally for me Lex's open-mouthed gawping at Clark in Red, and Clark flirting and responding, is one of my favourite Clex scenes.

If you want a good example of moments that could be interpreted as slashy then your best bet is to watch a Clex music video.

blossomhappy123

02-19-2004, 08:23 AM

Wow, thanks Naomi! You are obviously a big fan of Clex to notice all that!

Naomi

02-19-2004, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by blossomhappy123
Wow, thanks Naomi! You are obviously a big fan of Clex to notice all that!

You noticed then :lol:

I'm not saying that Clark and Lex are dating. I just think that Lex really wishes that they were. My theory is that Lex's wild past includes experience with both genders :)

And really during Prodigal Clarks jealousy at seeing Lucas in Lex's car was very suspect. Lex even had to reassure Clark that Lucas was a blood relative! Whilst Red did have Clark batting his eyelashes which just screamed HoYay!

From season 1 especially, there's just a very flirty vibe when it comes to Lex, and we get Clarks response with those big beaming smiles that light up the room whenever he sees Lex.

Kimberly

02-20-2004, 05:10 PM

Naomi you said it so well.

I think what really got me was that it was so emotional-this relationship entails more love, passion, understanding & compassion than any other I've seen on Smallville.

All the physical eye contact, looks, touching, the jealousy; all of that just led to the shipping of the couple.

Emotional love and obvious physical attraction-sounds like any other ship to me. :) They're my first male/male ship outside of OZ, and I have to say-it's all about the emotions. The physical stuff is just an added bonus.

Plus, slash love wasn't spoken about when Superman was created-canon does change with the times, and there's no proof anywhere that this relationship never happened, or couldn't happen in the future-or just come out in the future. They can no longer write Superman as they did in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, or even 90's. Characters and couples are too deep now.

Naomi

02-20-2004, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Kimberly
Naomi you said it so well.

I think what really got me was that it was so emotional-this relationship entails more love, passion, understanding & compassion than any other I've seen on Smallville.

All the physical eye contact, looks, touching, the jealousy; all of that just led to the shipping of the couple.

Emotional love and obvious physical attraction-sounds like any other ship to me. :) They're my first male/male ship outside of OZ, and I have to say-it's all about the emotions. The physical stuff is just an added bonus.

And Lex is the character who will always be connected to Clark. In Hourglass we saw Clark would be left alone, surrounded by graves of people he loved. Lex wasn't there. Doesn't he clone himself in the comics? As far as I'm aware Lex will use his power to try and achieve some kind of immortality and he's always going to be there. Him and Clark will go on to share a very special love-hate relationship, no one else in the world will understand the dynamics going on there.

The LL Family

02-21-2004, 06:13 AM

Hey Naomi, I really like the pictures in your signature. Where did you get those from?

Dannyblue1

02-21-2004, 07:52 AM

By not taking it seriously, I mean HoYayers don't really expect Lex and Clark to come out as a couple on the show to their friends and family, or to be shown kissing passionately at the end of an episode.

As for Clexers, I think they take their 'ship as seriously as I take mine. (I've only had one in all my years of TV viewing, and can be pretty passionate about it.) Just like Clexers, I look for subtext in scenes where the two characters are together, and get called delusional for seeing things and meanings other people might not see, and write and read fic devoted to the pairing. The only difference, in my opinion, is that my 'ship is male/female.

And for people like me, who aren't exactly HoYayers, HoYay threads and stuff are fun. Not because we're making fun of the HoYay, but because, when you see the subtext analyzed from a "HoYay point of view", it actually makes sense. You can actually see what they mean when they say Clark was looking at Lex a certain way, or that something Lex said could relate to his relationship to Clark.

Naomi

02-21-2004, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by The LL Family
Hey Naomi, I really like the pictures in your signature. Where did you get those from?

Thanks. They're LJ icons that I snagged ages ago :)

blossomhappy123

02-23-2004, 09:44 AM

Yeah I love your pics too Naomi! They're great!

colilan

02-23-2004, 11:07 AM

Naomi you've changed the placement of the pics since the weekend...
Love them all, wish there was one of Lex's swimming too...but oh that bottle....

Naomi

02-23-2004, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by colilan
Naomi you've changed the placement of the pics since the weekend...
Love them all, wish there was one of Lex's swimming too...but oh that bottle....

Maybe that treat is still to come :p

And thanks everyone for the compliments. I can't take credit for the icons, I only snagged what other people designed. I'm just glad people like them :)

Jaded

02-24-2004, 04:32 PM

Ah, a Clex thread. I feel right at home. :)

OK, I've heard a lot of members talking about Clex, and although I find this image very funny, I haven't noticed anything from either character to suggest this could be real.

Does anybody have any examples of Lex and Clark being anything more than friends? Specific scenes and quotes would be great.

I posted this in response to a thread on a different forum, but I think it encompasses a lot of my points on Clex in general so I'll repost some parts of it here:

I think that Lex's interest in Clark comes off as very homoerotic because of both its intensity and MR's ambiguous portrayal of Lex.

It's weird because Clark/Lex has been my first foray into the world of HoYay. I never saw it before in anything else
(really wasn't even aware of its existence) and have since found out that apparently, almost any close m/m buddy-type relationship can be interpreted as slashy by people. However, to someone who wasn't familiar with the concept, the HoYay of Clark and Lex just leapt off the screen and seemed, to me, to be very blatant.

MR's acting aside, I think a lot of it has to do with the circumstances surrounding Clark and Lex's friendship.
The creators/writers are retelling the story of Superman starting from two main bases:
1. Clark Kent as a teenager.
2. Lex and Clark are friends.

In telling the story from this starting point, they had to create a friendship between two very different people. Lex and Clark have almost nothing in common. Lex is considerably older than Clark, and they have totally different backgrounds. Why are they friends? Because we're told that they are. For the sake of the story, they must be friends.

True, Lex feels grateful to Clark for saving his life, but that in itself is not stable ground to start a meaningful friendship with someone. The equivalent parallel to this situation, however, would be the damsel in distress falling in love with the hero who saves her life, thus inducing a romantic relationship.

This is not to say that later on they do not develop a true friendship. As the first season wore on, I believe that their relationship evolved past the unrealistic jumpstart of its origins and developed into a real friendship.

However, all the circumstances surrounding their first meeting dictate that these are two people who ordinarily would not have such a close relationship with one another. What else is keeping them together? Textually, it's Lex's curiosity about Clark. Subtextually, it's romantic interest.

Of course, Lex's swishy hips and sly, flirtatious looks only serve to further this interpretation. Those long, lingering stares that are supposed to be read as "contemplative" and "intrigued" just come off as "longing" and "horny," to me.

It's not clear whether the writers/directors have directed MR to play the role ambiguously on purpose just to allow the audience to take away whatever interpretation they like, or if it's just because MR exudes sex in his scenes (though oddly enough, I rarely see this same sexual energy in his scenes with women).

YMMV, of course. But don't worry about not seeing the HoYay. It's subtext, therefore open to interpretation. I could name a couple dozen slashy Clark/Lex scenes for you, but there's nothing concrete that you could pinpoint simply because it's not supposed to be textual.

Although, I find it interesting that the media, homosexuals, and even those who aren't fans of slash, are noticing the homoerotic undertones in Smallville.

I'm new here, so I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this, but for anyone who's interested, there's a great essay out there on the homoerotic undercurrent of Smallville. Can somebody let me know if I'm allowed to link to it or mention where it's archived?

Naomi

02-24-2004, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
Those long, lingering stares that are supposed to be read as "contemplative" and "intrigued" just come off as "longing" and "horny," to me.

Yes! In the first meeting in the mansion we have them staring into one anothers eyes for a long period of time, and Lex saying, "I don't want anything to stand in the way of our friendship" in a very seductive manner. The writers have said that Lex is trying to seduce the town of Smallville, well Lex's pursuit of Clark would fit with this, and it is very open to interpretation for those of us that do see sub-text.

It's not clear whether the writers/directors have directed MR to play the role ambiguously on purpose just to allow the audience to take away whatever interpretation they like, or if it's just because MR exudes sex in his scenes (though oddly enough, I rarely see this same sexual energy in his scenes with women).

Personally, I get the feeling that the writers aren't a big fan of the homerotic undercurrent that some viewers are sensing. I think they really don't want to be seen as the show that made Superman gay *g* It's the actors chemistry that mostly shines across the screen. I am still suspicious about why we had so much less Clex screentime in season 2 after the media did make such a big thing about possible HoYay! It was like they were trying to straighten Clark and Lex up. It failed miserably because Clana and Hex had such little chemistry that they had to cut down on the Clex scenes just so that viewers wouldn't pick up on which screen partnership had the obvious chemistry. Tom and Michael clearly loved working together and brought a lot to their scenes.

And Clex was used to sell the show, it's disgraceful how much their scenes were cut back in favour of the Clana. In season 1 we had a good chunk of nearly every episode spend with Clex. That's what I wanted to see, fair time being devoted to all relationships in Clarks life. But no, we have to watch Clana mooning over each other instead.

And I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to post the essay :)

Nina

02-25-2004, 05:21 PM

CLex!! <sigh>

I don't slash everything. Really I don't. But duh! Lex and Clark would make a great couple! They have great chemistry and yeah, Lex does NOT have that with anyone else. And all the stuff he has said to Clark....

I wish the writers wouldn't be worried about implied slashiness. Its all a bit of fun- and yeah it is true. Slashy shipper are usually females from 16 to whatever so they have such a large audience for it. They do- even if people don't speak of it for whatever reasons- quite a few gals have a giggle about two gorgeous guys together.

The scenes with Clark and Lex are quite intense too and I loved Shattered when Lex goes,' youre either with me or against me.' Duh!! course Clark was with him.

Though I wish Lex had been more concerned when poor Clark was on the floor with all those beads.. oh well I guess that is what fanfic is for!! Lol

Seriously in Smallville Clark should go with Chole. Chloe needs to bring it on again and say hey clark you daft beautiful brat- I love you still!!

But in fandom world I ship Clex....

I am going to cringe when Lex turns... I'll be like,' No Lex - you lurve him!!!' :lol:

Jaded

02-25-2004, 08:25 PM

Naomi:
I am still suspicious about why we had so much less Clex screentime in season 2 after the media did make such a big thing about possible HoYay! It was like they were trying to straighten Clark and Lex up. It failed miserably because Clana and Hex had such little chemistry that they had to cut down on the Clex scenes just so that viewers wouldn't pick up on which screen partnership had the obvious chemistry.

Lol, that's *totally* what they were trying to do! I don't get how Hex could have had so little chemistry. Lex had more chemistry with those Ty Nant bottles. :p

The essay is here (http://www.somedistantgalaxy.com/heroes/) if anyone is interested. Click on essays, and it's the one entitled "The Gayness of Smallville," by WitchQueen.

Naomi, I love your sig!

Naomi

02-26-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Jaded
Lol, that's *totally* what they were trying to do! I don't get how Hex could have had so little chemistry. Lex had more chemistry with those Ty Nant bottles. :p

The essay is here (http://www.somedistantgalaxy.com/heroes/) if anyone is interested. Click on essays, and it's the one entitled "The Gayness of Smallville," by WitchQueen.

Naomi, I love your sig!

Thank you :) And thanks for the link. Go Clex!

Crossbow

02-26-2004, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Equestrian4Lyf
And Clexers are not people who can't accept two people (of the same gender or otherwise) as being close friends. We can. It's just these two specific people that we see HoYay! in.

You tell 'em!

There are lots of clues and hints and subtext and all that. We could rationalize it all day. But the real reason we see it is just plain old chemistry.

badclarkisback

02-28-2004, 11:02 PM

I was never for Clex, but lately, I've been sucked in by the quote unquote "wrongness" of it. They truly have great chemistry. What's happening to me?! I'm Clana, not Clex! haha

so where can i get more clex pics? :-P

Jaded

02-29-2004, 11:15 PM

Welcome to the dark side, badclarkisback. No one can resist the Clex! :lol:

Kimberly

03-01-2004, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Jaded
Welcome to the dark side, badclarkisback. No one can resist the Clex! :lol:

Ditto on the welcome!

And, Jaded who would want to resist?? :p

Hm, maybe all my friends who think I've lost my mind-that I now have tied up and locked in my basement of Slashdom?

Rose etta

03-02-2004, 10:19 PM

Posted by Jaded:

True, Lex feels grateful to Clark for saving his life, but that in itself is not stable ground to start a meaningful friendship with someone. The equivalent parallel to this situation, however, would be the damsel in distress falling in love with the hero who saves her life, thus inducing a romantic relationship.
Bloody brilliant, Jaded!
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I'm into CLex because the charisma and magnetism between them is totally incredible. It's absolutely crackling and it's good fun to imagine where else it could lead them to.....:eek:

The only other high-energy interaction is Lex and Lionel, and it's a pale second except for those fun times when they really have S1 great dialogue about Alexander the Great and stuff -- marvelous!, but which hasn't been too frequent this season.

blossomhappy123

03-03-2004, 10:41 AM

Wow...I am so glad I started this thread. Thank you to everyone who has helped me see the beauty that is Clex!

Naomi

03-03-2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by blossomhappy123
Wow...I am so glad I started this thread. Thank you to everyone who has helped me see the beauty that is Clex!

Yay :D Hee, we're like a scary cult converting people to Clex :rotfl:

And sorry mods about the problems with my sig. I edited it as best as I can. I hope it's okay now, I don't know if I have to lose the text as well :confused:

Rose etta

03-03-2004, 12:09 PM

Naomi, that last one, with Lex doing the 'Johnny Depp Pirate'-impersonation, has me giggling here at work like a loon....!

I freakin cannot stop....!:rotfl:

Jaded

03-03-2004, 04:29 PM

Everybody's got such cool sigs! Love. Them.

<-- doesn't know how to put images in her sig...pretends that she just doesn't feel like doing it.

Naomi

03-04-2004, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Jaded
Everybody's got such cool sigs! Love. Them.

<-- doesn't know how to put images in her sig...pretends that she just doesn't feel like doing it.

Sorry, can't link to other sites, but just do a search for a certain site which allows free hosting of images. Then upload them and just copy the img over for your sig.

zhuuka

03-06-2004, 07:34 PM

Hello all, I am a friend of the Clex supporters. I admire thier friendship. Evidently I am the Smallville-loving goalie, Kate. :) I love the banners and sigs you guys have. But in mine..is Clark having a run with his money with Martin Brodeur? haha! j/k.

DarKnighTommy

03-10-2004, 07:07 PM

Really, I've always though of "Clex" more for gits and shiggles. Sort of like "Kirk/Spock" on Star Trek. Yeah, there's alot of "meta-hints," but I don't think there's any SOLID evidence to back it up.

Jaded

03-10-2004, 08:07 PM

Nope. No "solid" evidence. Other than the smoldering looks and ambiguous dialogue. ;)

Of course, the fun lies in finding the HoYay! Not that we have to look very hard. :lol:

Nina

03-17-2004, 05:41 AM

Im gonna post here as well- cos i hate it!:D I hate clex going down the tubes oooooooooooooo yes i know- ppl from legends post board are like nina get over it!! Lol

Its just that- from season one- jonathon,pete ryan- all had reservations about lex. Chloe sometimes blahed here and there- and clark always stuck up for lex. Saying he is my friend. his ickle friend.

Pete was jealous, jonathon was worried about lex investigating and finding out clarks secret, ryan got a feeling- cassandra. Enough ppl and plots dropped the dark lex hints for like forever but clark still stuck through it all. And rescued lex loads and went over and they talked and lex doing stuff for the family....and...

oooooooo i know it is inevitable and i even posted bla before but just the sort of thought that clex might be over..

It is so depressing in virtual non-reality smallville world.:( I dont want lex and clark like ex-boyfriends all cold and off- i want them huggy and lovely and how much they adore each other.

Ooooooooooo whinge whinge.

No more sweet clex moments. Cos survey says that even in the US eps- the clex is off,not like what it was....

Goodbye clex...< sniff>:lol: goodbye.

Nina- runs off to the de nille- Lol

blossomhappy123

03-17-2004, 11:09 AM

I hope the clex moments don't stop coz I just got into them.

Naomi

03-17-2004, 12:18 PM

I think we will get more Clex as the season draws to a close. Clex scenes are the heart of Smallville :)

blossomhappy123

03-23-2004, 10:31 AM

Lets hope so!

Nina

03-23-2004, 10:55 AM

Yeah but they will be clex moments as in the seperating of clex- not the sweet ones of season one and two. Early in three yeah but it has changed hasnt it...you can feel it.

The clex moments will be big but bitter wont they - lex is distrustful and all about his memories and clark will be whatever he will be worried about as the season ends.

I'll find solace in fanfic- au clex but the clex in the show wont be like it used to. It has to take that turn and it will- and smallville is riveting to watch and lex turning will be interesting to see and great tv- but our lil clex sweet moments are gone arent they? cos like even the eps ahead i was told that clex is off and the season will end soon after that- how many eps to go?

Urgh:)

celticleod

03-23-2004, 02:30 PM

Okay Nina, after reading everything you've just said....which I agree with btw....I think I'm going to cry.

Nina

03-23-2004, 02:40 PM

Awwww dont cry!! heee. I admit i am a sap. <sigh> the good ol days with all the lurve. I sort of scour each new ep for a clex moment and on hereafter there wasnt even a teensy weensy one!! And the one before in delete just made me cold.

But you know, as i said. We have fandom clex which will live on whilst we watch the decimation of clex on the screen:\ I know i have posted loads about this! :) But it is soooooo sad and i know it was coming- i just didnt want it to be so soon.

Woes me! <lol> I wanna a real sweet genuine clex moment when they both realise that their friendship is over before the series ends. Did they say that smallville will be five seasons?

blossomhappy123

03-24-2004, 12:52 PM

I am not sure I want to watch Smallville if Clark and Lex aren't even friends. But I will. The temptation to watch them falling apart is too strong. Its like watching Titanic...its a great movie but all the way through you know Jack is gonna die and they will be split up but you keep hoping all the way through that they won't. And you feel like you should stop the tape when they are in the water and pretend that they lived happily ever after but something makes you keep watching and then it happens and it rips your heart open.

Phew! I was getting a little emotional there!

Nina

03-30-2004, 05:09 AM

Over on legends board- someone said that lex was dumping clarks ass back in extinction and i agree. I mean he seemed off before shattered to me anyway--island truma i know:rolleyes: . But in Extinction - when he said maybe i am a freak--he actually meant that about clark. Him obsessively rewatching the accident implies to me that duh he suspected about clark but the van thing confirmed it for him. his blood count bla but he wasnt talking about himself there- it was clark. i didnt like the way he looking at my lil clarkly.

Clark saved his life- ran all the way to metropolis awwww. I remember getting teary when clark got shot. That was soooo horrible :( poor thing. Awwwwww. Sniff sniff- i wanted to smack lana at the start when she was like saying that clark killed tina on purpose like van!:p and after she was like bla tried to kill me and blahing on clark. But she was all right when she kicked van at the end and came to clark. Poor clark- ''i might not have a choice''. He said it so nicely, i wish lana coulda stayed the way she was with him but then she went all bitter COS he wont tell her and then like magnetic and rest she switched. :mad:

But yeah clex was going sour early in season three--. Oh no not loving lex either right now. I dont want that to happen- i really liked lex.. I hate it when i switch too- and there is no redeeming lex ep coming up are there? clex wise. i was moany at him in velocity :(

Clex....come back.....<choke> :D

Naomi

03-30-2004, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Nina
Over on legends board- someone said that lex was dumping clarks ass back in extinction and i agree.

He was so saying it wasn't Clark that was special and freaky, Lex was thinking he should have been looking inward because it was him all along. You just want to yell, "No. That way lies badnes. Trust and rely on Clark cause he will always be there for you if you let him" :(

Nina

04-17-2004, 07:32 AM

The clex is finished, i dont have any false hopes for it at all. :\ It will just get worse. Lex will fall deeper into whatever he is- clark will have lionel and dad issues and him and lex will drift further and further apart.

I think what gets to me is that so many ppl think clark is the 'bad' guy and poor lex- i just dont see it like that at all. And lex with whatever game plan he has will get clark caught in the cross fire i reckon.

That isnt to say that the only reason i watch sv is cos of the clex. I dont. i love it as a show but the clex was one aspect of it that i really liked. its just a little harder to watch them two fall apart. I didnt like the fact that clark found out that lex was with teng in resurrection. more distrust and hurt feelings....:( is their a RIP clex thead? Lol we should open one in legends...:lol: do you think clark will ever find out abt lex's obsession room? poo that will be horrible...<sigh>

Equestrian4Lyf

04-17-2004, 11:48 PM

You're right. The Clex is dead, and it really was pretty much the only reason I watch. I'll stay to see MR, though. What's killed it is Clark. He's such a jerk to Lex. It'll be impossible to be on Clark's side for me in the future when they're officially enemies.

blossomhappy123

04-20-2004, 12:01 PM

I think the jerk-ness goes both ways, Lex hasn't been treating Clark to well recently either.

Jaded

04-20-2004, 12:03 PM

You're right. The Clex is dead

You guys are making me sad. :( Say it ain't so! *cry*

Equestrian4Lyf

04-20-2004, 07:42 PM

Lex hasn't acted like a jerk to Clark. The only thing I can think of is not giving him the money he asked for in Velocity-he gave a reason for that. Clark by far beat him out in the jerk war by stealing his car.

I guess the Clex can live on through fanfiction, huh?

blossomhappy123

04-21-2004, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Equestrian4Lyf
Lex hasn't acted like a jerk to Clark. The only thing I can think of is not giving him the money he asked for in Velocity-he gave a reason for that. Clark by far beat him out in the jerk war by stealing his car.

Okay...so Clark stole his car. But he wasn't doing it out of spite or to get Lex angry or anything like that. He was trying to save Pete and his parents. After all, he is the future Superman...saving people is what he does!

Both Lex and Clark have been strange with each other in the last few episodes. They aren't as close as they used to be...but Clark can't be blamed for that. It takes two to tango, or whatever that old phrase is.

Jaded

04-21-2004, 01:03 PM

blossomhappy123 wrote:
Okay...so Clark stole his car. But he wasn't doing it out of spite or to get Lex angry or anything like that. He was trying to save Pete and his parents. After all, he is the future Superman...saving people is what he does!
My objection (and from what I can tell, I am not alone in this) wasn't that Clark stole the car, but the fact that he lied about it. It had nothing to do with his secret, and yet he refused to come clean even though Lex was obviously giving him an opportunity to. Why? Stealing the car was assy enough (yes, he did it for a greater good), but then to lie about it? What purpose did that serve, other than to allow Clark to escape all responsibility for the crime?

The worst of it was Lex knew and was allowing Clark the chance to 'fess up and he didn't take it. All of these unnecessary lies are only teaching Lex how not to forgive Clark, simply because he never gets the chance to.

Lex has done some questionable things too, but he's usually honest about them (the most recent example of this being the FBI deal in Legacy). Clark has a tendency to be dishonest with Lex about Everything, even the most insignificant actions, and that's what makes him kind of a jerk. (MHO)

Equestrian4Lyf

04-21-2004, 02:58 PM

You're definetely not alone in your objection. The way they're portraying Clark, in my eyes, makes me not like him, and therefore makes me not ship Clex so much. On the show, anyway, fanfics are still good at least.

Lionel's Son

05-03-2004, 11:24 AM

After Memoria, I can officially state that I blame Clark for the end of Clex. What a jerk.

nothingsshocking

05-04-2004, 07:58 PM

I miss the Clex so very much. This makes me sad.

It was doomed from the start, though. Being honest with Lex isn't an option for Clark, and he keeps trying to help Lex using the wrong ways, making Lex more and more annoyed with him. Poor babies.

Naomi

05-06-2004, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by blossomhappy123
Okay...so Clark stole his car. But he wasn't doing it out of spite or to get Lex angry or anything like that. He was trying to save Pete and his parents. After all, he is the future Superman...saving people is what he does!

Both Lex and Clark have been strange with each other in the last few episodes. They aren't as close as they used to be...but Clark can't be blamed for that. It takes two to tango, or whatever that old phrase is.

Because every time Clark sees Lex lately he has a sneer on his face, and the first word that comes out of his mouth is always an accusation of how Lex is becoming like Lional. It's getting even worse!

And Clark is a jerk to casually lie to Lex in every episode, and then act like the same standards don't apply to Clark and he can get up in Lex's face about "I'm sick and tired of my best friend lying to me".

nothingsshocking

05-06-2004, 07:23 PM

Because every time Clark sees Lex lately he has a sneer on his face, and the first word that comes out of his mouth is always an accusation of how Lex is becoming like Lional. It's getting even worse!

Lex is becoming more devious. I mean, he was coopertaing with Garner, a man responsible for the death of at least one kid. What does that say about Lex? I can't blame Clark for pointing it out to Lex. He's only trying to help him. Lex gives me the chills whenever he shows up on screen lately. He's changed for the worse, and Clark sees that.

And Clark is a jerk to casually lie to Lex in every episode, and then act like the same standards don't apply to Clark and he can get up in Lex's face about "I'm sick and tired of my best friend lying to me".

I'm assuming you're referring to "Memoria," because of the quote. He was angry with Lex for lying because his lies were preventing Clark from helping him. Plus, Clark grew up under the notion that his lies are okay because he's exceptional due to his special abilities. I can understand why he gets mad at others for lying but doesn't apply those same rules to himself. I'm not saying that excuses him, but I can understand why he does it. Kind of like how Lex was raised under the notion that he is special due to his heritage, and that the rules don't apply to him because of that. He's always making excuses for himself, blaming his dark inclinations on his genes.

Jaded

05-06-2004, 10:05 PM

nothingsshocking wrote:
Lex is becoming more devious. I mean, he was coopertaing with Garner, a man responsible for the death of at least one kid. What does that say about Lex?
And Clark was cooperating with Lionel Luthor, a man responsible for who knows how many deaths, including those of his own parents. What does that say about Clark?

Honestly, the biggest thing this says to me about Lex is that he's Desperate. So desperate, he's willing to put his own health at risk to remember those 7 weeks. Meanwhile, his "best friend" is watching him destroy himself trying to rebuild the broken pieces of his past, all along withholding the information that he seeks. Information that he could Easily give him without involving any of his own secrets. But he doesn't. And I have yet to understand why.

I can't blame Clark for pointing it out to Lex. He's only trying to help him.
I beg to differ. I don't think he's "only" trying to help Lex. Yeah, that's in there, somewhere, but I think he's also trying to help himself, by making sure Lex *never* recovers his memories (memories that rightfully belong to Lex, were stolen from him and in an incredibly painful way) so that his sekrit's still safe. Lionel even called him out on it. And I certainly didn't hear any denials from Clark when he did.

He's changed for the worse, and Clark sees that.
I really don't see this supposed "change" for the worse in Lex. Nothing, at least, that would warrant the 180 in Clark's attitude towards him after Asylum. I wish I could see what Clark sees. Perhaps if I had X-Ray vision...

I can understand why he gets mad at others for lying but doesn't apply those same rules to himself. I'm not saying that excuses him, but I can understand why he does it. Kind of like how Lex was raised under the notion that he is special due to his heritage, and that the rules don't apply to him because of that.
Are you saying that you understand Clark's motivations, but not Lex's? By comparing the two, it seems as if you're saying the situations are analogous, and yet in your next sentence you say that Lex is "always making excuses" and "blaming" his faults on genes. It sounds as if you're excusing the former, while condemning the latter for what you, yourself, state are similar circumstances.

He's always making excuses for himself, blaming his dark inclinations on his genes.
Buh? Examples, please. Because all I hear is Lex constantly resolving Not to become like his father.

Not trying to be snarky or anything with this post. I appreciate the opportunity to try and see things from the other side of the spectrum. I actually Wish I could see Clark the way some people do, because I really don't want to violently hate him.

blondie

05-09-2004, 03:39 PM

Just curious Ok I can see the subtext I've read some of the fanfiction I can even see it as an amusing section of fandom but I don't think I completely understand the Clex. Is it like how men think lesbians are hot? do you guys liike the idea of two men together is hot? or is it more romantic? I always thought I knew most of what there is to know in these um.. areas but this has surprised me that it's girls shipping this. Can someone please explain? Don't worry I'm a grown up.

Jaded

05-09-2004, 09:39 PM

:) I can't speak for anyone else, but I can give you the story of my own experience with slash.

Clex is my first and only slash 'shipping. I found out about HoYay! through TWoP (in the Angel forums), so I knew about it. But I had Never previously been interested in slash until I watched the Season 3 premiere of Smallville, saw the chemistry rolling off those two boys and totally got converted.

For me, it was the connection between the two that drew me in. It isn't just about having two random guys together. I came to care about Clark and Lex and their relationship with each other. So it's definitely more the romanticism of the 'ship that is the appeal for me (but yes, it helps that the two of them are hot ;)).

About the whole sex appeal thing of them together... I'm not sure what it is, because for me it's kinda reserved to just these two characters. ::shrug::

I hope this helps your understanding, some. :)

blondie

05-10-2004, 05:43 PM

Thanks. A part of me likes it to and then I feel weird about it. This sucks because I'm already perverted enough but holy crap some of those fanfics are hot.

Jaded

05-10-2004, 08:04 PM

Heehee! Have you read any of jenn's fic? She's one of my favorite authors of the SV fandom. Hers was the first Clex (and m/m!) fic I ever read. There was no turning back after that. X)

blondie

05-11-2004, 06:43 AM

Yeah I liked "Turn You On Somehow" so much I printed it out then hid it in my bedroom. If my hubby ever finds it he'll be traumatized, well maybe not he works in a prison lol...

CantGetEnoughCLEX

05-11-2004, 06:58 PM

It's nice to see that this ship hasn't sailed without me. I have been a Clex fan for ages, but sadly I only got to take the time out recently to be active on the message boards. Busying oneself with college finals and stuff of that matter takes a chunk out of being able to recreate online, but now I am free, yay!

Jaded

05-11-2004, 07:11 PM

Heya. Welcome. Great to see another Clex fan around here. :)

Busying oneself with college finals and stuff of that matter takes a chunk out of being able to recreate online
Heh, that totally didn't stop me from posting. :lol:

celticleod

05-11-2004, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by blossomhappy123
Okay...so Clark stole his car. But he wasn't doing it out of spite or to get Lex angry or anything like that. He was trying to save Pete and his parents.

Clark didn't just steal his car, although that among friends was a pretty lousy thing to do. After the situation was taken care of, and Pete and his family were no longer in any danger, Clark LIED to Lex about it, and there was absolutely NO REASON for him to do that. I think Lex would have understood (and I know I would have) if Clark had said, Lex, I'm so sorry, I did take your car, because Pete was in danger and I didn't know what else to do.
That would require no sense of entitlement on Clark's part.

And then there's Memoria, which I still haven't recovered from yet. Lex was trying to retrieve his stolen property--his memories--and so Clark goes to the theif that stole the memories from Lex in the first place to stop Lex. Clark KNOWS that Lionel has abused Lex his whole life, had Lex mind raped, and isn't above murdering those who cross him. I still have no inkling WHY, if he were so concerned about Lex's safety, he didn't just tell Lex what had happened during those 7 weeks, leaving out his secret. That just doesn't make any sense. The fact that he and Chloe hinted that they knew what went on, and it was big, and wouldn't tell Lex, had to be driving Lex bonkers. Or, he could have gone to the Institute and destroyed the memory enhancing equipment.

If I were in Lex's place, I would have felt some sense of betrayal there.

So anyway. These are just some of the reasons why Clex is dead, and blame is resting pretty heavily on Clark. At this point, I'm starting to have doubts about cape boy becoming a good man, never mind Superman.

But hey! It was fun while it lasted!

Originally posted by CantGetEnoughCLEX
It's nice to see that this ship hasn't sailed without me. I have been a Clex fan for ages, but sadly I only got to take the time out recently to be active on the message boards. Busying oneself with college finals and stuff of that matter takes a chunk out of being able to recreate online, but now I am free, yay!

Hi, glad you're here! Another Clexer, yay!
Re-watch season 1 & 2, and remember just what it is we celebrate!:D

Naomi

05-13-2004, 11:43 AM

I feel like crying when I rewatch season 1 Clex. Clark was so innocent and sweet, and he admired Lex so much. Just look at what Clark has become Telling Lana the secret, but not telling Lex even when Lex's life was in danger from Lional. But he'll tell his prissy little girlfriend his secrets just to stop her moving on from him

I admit it. They're finally done it. The Clex is dead. Clark really did deserve Lana in the end.

I'll still ship season 1 Clex though. Yay for fan fic.

nothingsshocking

05-21-2004, 10:52 AM

And Clark was cooperating with Lionel Luthor, a man responsible for who knows how many deaths, including those of his own parents. What does that say about Clark?

He was cooperating with him to save Lex. Lex didn't have to go to Garner. He could have gone to any doctor, anywhere in the world. He's rich and he's a Luthor, therefor he has access to the best of everything. Clark's options were limited. I'm certainly not saying he made the best choice, but the choice he made was made with good intentions. I really don't understand why Lex went with Garner, when he could have choosen someone else. It's not like Garner was the only one in the world doing research with memories. Clark went with Lionel because he thought Lionel wanted the same thing he did, to stop Lex from retrieving his memory, so the deal would be safe.

Meanwhile, his "best friend" is watching him destroy himself trying to rebuild the broken pieces of his past, all along withholding the information that he seeks. Information that he could Easily give him without involving any of his own secrets. But he doesn't. And I have yet to understand why.

I believe Clark told Lex why in the season finale. He lied because he was afraid for Lex's safety. He saw what Lionel did during the electroshock therapy, so he knows Lionel won't just sit back and let a threat walk free and fine, even if it is his own son.

I beg to differ. I don't think he's "only" trying to help Lex. Yeah, that's in there, somewhere, but I think he's also trying to help himself, by making sure Lex *never* recovers his memories (memories that rightfully belong to Lex, were stolen from him and in an incredibly painful way) so that his sekrit's still safe. Lionel even called him out on it. And I certainly didn't hear any denials from Clark when he did.

I can't blame Clark for wanting to keep his secret hidden. If Lex knows, Lionel knows, and Clark cannot have that. I think it was somewhat of a relief for Clark that Lex finally knew. But he realized that if Lionel thought Lex knew anything, he'd do anything to get that information from Lex. Both he and Clark would be at risk. So either way, Clark is screwed. He can't have Lex recover the memories of his secret, and he looks bad if he tries to keep Lex from doing so.

Are you saying that you understand Clark's motivations, but not Lex's? By comparing the two, it seems as if you're saying the situations are analogous, and yet in your next sentence you say that Lex is "always making excuses" and "blaming" his faults on genes. It sounds as if you're excusing the former, while condemning the latter for what you, yourself, state are similar circumstances.

No, I'm not blaming either one of them. People are quick to point out Clark's faults but sometimes seem to not notice Lex's. It also seems sometimes like people think Clark enjoys lying, while Lex is the one who's trying to overcome his faults. In "Stray," Lex said he was a "different person" around his father. In "Suspect," he said that people like "my father tend to bring [a person's inner darkness] out." He blames a lot of on his father and his upbringing. Lex can't help the way he was raised, just like Clark can't. They both have certain inclinations because of their childhoods, and they both fight against them. Clark uses lies excessively, and Lex sometimes blames his actions on the environment. Lex is obviously trying not to be like his father, and Clark has expressed several times that he doesn't like lying to people. Circumstances are sometimes overwhelming for both of them, though.

I'll admit that I'm biased, because Clark will become the hero and Lex will become the villan. So I tend to see Clark's attempts at becoming better than he is as more real and pure than others who prefer Lex.

celticleod

05-29-2004, 07:57 PM

This has been discussed in several other threads, but I'm going to repeat it again here: telling Lionel what Lex was doing, trying to regain his memories, put Lex in infinitely more danger than Lex was in. Keep in mind that Lionel did not know what Lex was doing at the institute up until that point. Telling Lionel basically painted a big red target on Lex's butt. I'm surprised he didn't immediantly commit Lex back into Belle Reve. Clark could have destroyed the memory-enhancing equipment, or he could have told Lex "I will tell you what happened during the missing 7 weeks to get you to stop these dangerous treatments. You must promise me, on your mother's grave, that you will not confront your father until we have quietly gathered evidence against him. If you do, he could kill you, and I'm trying to protect you." Plus the fact came out that Clark actually saw Lionel the ect even AFTER the doctor told him it could kill or leave Lex a vegetable; Clark could have come forward as an eye witness to that sooner. That's at least an assault charge.

The writing in this ep was horrid. No one in their right mind would do what Clark did to protect someone they care for. Who tells the thief that the owner of their property is trying to get it back??? It leaves Clark's motives highly suspect, not to mention makes him look brain-dead.

Also, the statement (concerning Clark's secret), "If Lex knows, Lionel knows" is simply incorrect. That much was proven in Shattered. Lex did know the secret, he could have used it to bargain with his father to get out of there, and instead chose to keep and protect it and Clark, under extreme duress, at great personal expense. This lead to his being beaten, crawling in his own blood, and later mind raped. Lex has tried very hard to keep what he does know away from his father and the FBI. This has been demonstrated over and over again.

Thus, the end of Clex for many.

lexslave

05-29-2004, 09:20 PM

i think we're all beating the same dead horse.... we won't know anything futher until S4 begins..... so, why don't we come up with theories about what's GOING to happen... there is no way THIS is the end... close, but not quite yet. we all know lex will take clark back. (even though he should'nt, but when you're smitten, you're smitten....) but what will make clark turn back to lex?

TPTB are killing me..

it's ALL just SSOOOO depressing.... :(

Naomi

05-30-2004, 10:40 AM

I thought the finale was a mislead and we would get closer Clex in season 4, and the big rift would happen in season 5. It's what everyone is waiting for, and the brush past Lex in the courtroom and "this friendship is over" isn't climatic enough.

But I recently read an interview with the creater saying that season 4 will show Clark and Lex no longer being aligned. So I lost hope after that really. I guess the Covenent ending was the dramatic and heartbreak of the rift that some of us were anticipating. Meh.

Misssupergirl89

05-30-2004, 03:17 PM

How could there be a Clex when Clark was all like "This friendship is over"? Even if they do make up ( which they probaly will) there will always be this akward feeling between. In addition im on the " Annoyed by Clark" bandwagon, so right now im not 4 any couple that has Clark in it. U can see who im 4 in my banner!

Im not trying 2 bash anyone who is 4 Clex by the way, so please dont jump all over me.

Tigress35

06-01-2004, 12:58 AM

Well, the friendship may be over, but their chemistry and physical attraction to each other will still remain. You can hate your ex-bf but still find him attractive. Plus, there's always the love/hate relationship that brings out the best... times.

Naomi

06-01-2004, 03:21 AM

Tigress35, I love Heat so much! I had heard about how gay it was for so long, so I was expecting it, but it totally lived up to the hype. The way Clark lit up with that beaming smile when he thought Lex was running to him in concern. And his double take when Lex runs right past him :lol:

That pool scene where Lex is dripping with sweat was also a good one. Clark asking everyone if he's the only one bothered by Lex getting married just about killed me! Heh. Talk about a flaming episode!

lexslave

06-01-2004, 04:32 AM

aaaahhhhh.... the good ol' days.....

Tigress35

06-01-2004, 08:51 AM

The best part about Heat was when Lex called out for Clark to save him, and then Clark jumps on his back... but then rolls him over and pats his chest a few times. Clark? There was no fire there hon.

Jaded

06-01-2004, 09:44 AM

:rotfl:

Ahh, Heat. The jealousy...the passion...the flames! So. Very. Gay.

Crossbow

06-02-2004, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Tigress35
The best part about Heat was when Lex called out for Clark to save him, and then Clark jumps on his back... but then rolls him over and pats his chest a few times. Clark? There was no fire there hon.

... and then they just stay like that and gaze into each other's eyes for about 5 minutes ... Yeah, that was subtle.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-02-2004, 08:21 PM

Hee, and remember how they wanted us to think Lana was the one who got Clark all turned on at the Talon when he burned it down, but they were actually talking about Lex? Ever so gay. And I may be wrong, but wasn't the scarecrow bald?

Jaded

06-02-2004, 09:33 PM

And I may be wrong, but wasn't the scarecrow bald?
:rotfl:

Naomi

06-03-2004, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Tigress35
The best part about Heat was when Lex called out for Clark to save him, and then Clark jumps on his back... but then rolls him over and pats his chest a few times. Clark? There was no fire there hon.

And when Clark rolls Lex on his back you'd be expecting a pained look, right? But nope. He looked post-coital instead.

And when Clark was rolling Lex in that red banket Lex had an ectastic look on his face then as well.

And the scarecrow was definatley bald. OMG, PROOF!

Polgarawolf

06-07-2004, 10:45 AM

Hi. Uhm, I'm fairly new to this, and was wondering about something. Someone mentioned fanfiction, and I'm wondering if anyone knows the names of the pieces a newbie should start with for the Clex angle. This is something that I feel needs some investigation. Thanks!

Crossbow

06-07-2004, 10:50 AM

Gosh. There's a lot of it out there. I think the biggest archive is the Smallville Slash Archive (SSA) which I can't link to because I'm at work and the firewalls don't allow it. There are six smallville stories on Fiction For Fans, (http://fanfiction.mediablvd.com/categories.php?catid=32&parentcatid=32) and five of them are Clex. One is NC17 and the other four are PG.

Polgarawolf

06-07-2004, 02:13 PM

Okay. Thanks! I'll look for the SSA you're talking about. If anyone else knows of any others to recommend, I'll thank you each and every one for each and every one of them. I'd like to assuage this curiosity.

Jaded

06-07-2004, 03:53 PM

Somebody looking for fanfic recs? *descends on Polgarawolf, rec list in hand*

Hm, a newbie, eh? Ok, we'll start off easy. ;)

Close Only Counts with Handgrenades (http://www.livejournal.com/users/hackthis/211550.html#cutid1)

A Final Sceptre, A Lasting Crown (http://smallville.slashdom.com/archive/8/afinal.html)

Unromantic (http://smallville.slashdom.com/archive/29/unromantic.html)

Memories of White (http://smallville.slashdom.com/archive/30/memoriesof.html)

Fallen (http://www.smallvillefanfic.com/archive/13/fallen.html)

Spare Change (http://www.geocities.com/crimsonclad/change.htm)

All PG - PG-13. Maybe an R somewhere for language.

Crossbow

06-07-2004, 05:34 PM

And here's a link to the SSA. (http://smallville.slashdom.com/) Enter at your own risk. :D

Naomi

06-08-2004, 09:13 AM

Breakfast at Satchmo's (http://smallville.slashdom.com/archive/20/breakfastat.html) Cute domestic Clex.

"C'mon, Clark. It's freezing outside. And raining. And you have superspeed," he said sweetly.

Clark opened his eyes. "And, oddly enough, it's still your turn."

Lex was going to have to resort to extreme tactics. Sweet and sexy was getting him nowhere. "If we really think about this, we'll see it's actually your turn."

"Really?"

"I ordered dinner last night."

Clark laughed. "Awww. Did you wear yourself out using your rich boy fingers dialing Golden Palace?"

"I wouldn't have to dial anyone if someone would let me keep a cook," Lex replied petulantly.

"Nice try. Still your turn. I did the dishes."

Lex didn't want to resort to this, but it was really cold outside. "I let you buy this comforter."

"What?! You love this comforter."

"No. I love you. The comforter...not so much."

All my favourites are written by Jenn. Bear in mind some of these fics are graphic:

Sleep While I Drive (http://seperis.illuminatedtext.com/smallville/sleepwhileidrive.html) The most beautiful Clex fairy tale ever written. They're on a road trip together and it's just so slushy and romantic when they finally get it togther.

Lex also really, really gets odd about the prize cows on display, but he controls himself until they manage to escape the admiring crowd.

"You're embarrassing," Clark hisses.

"Clark. *Livestock*." People give Lex weird glances when he makes a sound that's cross between a chuckle and a cough.

"Lex. Agricultural show."

"Clark. I use those for shoes, not worship." God. People are looking at them, and Clark wonders if they can actually *feel* how out-of-place Lex is, but Lex, being Lex, is enjoying it. Like a kid just released from school, he wants to see everything, apparently a fan of the immersion method of acquiring knowledge, and Clark trails after him with a lot of sudden sympathy for his mom during his own childhood.

He just doesn't think he'll survive Lex Luthor at a rodeo.

And of course, the games. Oh God, the games. Lex and the games that are rigged and those that aren't, and the way his eyes narrow when he loses and knows he shouldn't, and they blow fifty dollars so Lex can win a small stuffed duck from the magnet booth. Clark thinks the guy was just getting desperate to get rid of them, as Lex monopolized the magnets-circle game for far too long.

"That's just--Lex. You complained about how much parking cost. God."

Lex is studying his duck with a pleased expression. "It's the principle of the matter. That was--"

"Not fair, rigged, yes, I know. Did you notice me playing anything? No, because I *know* I won't win."

"And notice, you don't have a duck, either."

"That duck cost you fifty dollars!" And maybe he's beginning to get his father's thing about Luthors and carelessness with money. But Lex only smiles and tosses his duck in the air, catching it easily.

"If all you're doing to do is *****, you can go wait in the car." Another absent toss before something catches his attention and Lex has his sleeve, pulling him along, and oh God, this isn't a kid on vacation, it's a kid in a candy store. A kid who has never *seen* candy before, and Clark can't help laughing, trailing behind and catching the curious gazes on them and not giving a damn.

A Handful of Dust (http://seperis.illuminatedtext.com/smallville/handfulofdust.html) AU future fic which is my favourite Clex story ever, especially the second half. It is very dark though!

The Wasteland (http://seperis.illuminatedtext.com/smallville/thewasteland.html) Post rift, it has Lex cracking up after Lional kills himself. Lex get's drunk and self-destructive and Clark takes care of him. It's a reconciliation fic :)

Somewhere I Have Never Travelled (http://seperis.illuminatedtext.com/smallville/somewhereindex.html) Post rift again. Clark wants to be human and does certain things, then Lex takes care of him, and it carries on from their really...

"There's a bear by my desk."

Lex's mouth twitches from the practiced smile. The bastard is about to laugh. "Do you like it?"

Clark hadn't really got past the utter humiliation to decide on that. "That's not the point. You can't--" Clark stops. Can't isn't a word in Lex's vocabulary. Like shouldn't and couldn't and wouldn't. "Lex, if this is some sort of--I mean--" It just sounded weird. Lex, are you hitting on me? Lex, is this your idea of foreplay? Lex, it's been years and remember the time I broke all your really cool toys and you said you'd cut out my heart? With a Kryptonite spoon?

Jaded

06-08-2004, 10:24 AM

Ahh, jenn... There's nothing like reading your first jenn!fic. I do believe hers was the very first slash fic I ever read.

And hey, Naomi, I remember you were the one to rec it! Hee hee! :D

Naomi

06-08-2004, 03:36 PM

Who else wants to kidnap Jenn and force her to start writing Smallville again? Having a Misery moment here.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-08-2004, 03:53 PM

Ooh, me! I do! But we'll be nice and not chop off any body parts, right?

All of those fanfics are great-I also recommend them.

Jaded

06-08-2004, 04:47 PM

I'm in. :D

Oh, for anyone who doesn't follow her LJ (http://www.livejournal.com/users/seperis/), she recently posted a Clex fic on there that she'd written awhile ago (post Season Two) but forgot about. "New" Smallville fic by jenn: I squeed. It's like crack, yo.

lexslave

06-09-2004, 06:44 AM

i also like henry jones jr, and kel. they rock!

the "trivial" series by kel is AWESOME! just short little snippets, but so damn funny.

VIVA le CLEX!!!

omg naomi & jaded! i am going thru some of these stories right now.... YUMMY! thank you THANK YOU thank you! woohoo!

so so PRETTY! reconciliation. yes. now, please!

Kager05

06-10-2004, 01:12 AM

I don't know if I should have made a new thread for this, but I thought I would just ask it here.

I was just wondering if any of the fans of CLEX or those that believe there is any homoerotic undertones written into the script were big fans of Superman and read the comic books before Smallville ever started??

Naomi

06-10-2004, 05:18 AM

No. I am always being told that there is no way we can make an American icon gay lol. I don't think of Clark as the future Superman as much as I just think of him as a person that could be really happy with Lex if the writers would go that way.

lexslave

06-10-2004, 05:55 AM

well, Kager05, i saw the movies and such, but NEVER was into the comic books.

smallville lex & clark are on a whole different level. they are romantic.

and michael & tom have such smoking hot chemistry together that if your inclined to pair people up, it's really not that much of a stretch. smallville IS the slashiest show i have ever seen. (whether they intend it or not!) it really was a VERY nice surprise. :D (AND got me hooked to the point of obsession!)

Dannyblue1

06-10-2004, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Kager05 I was just wondering if any of the fans of CLEX or those that believe there is any homoerotic undertones written into the script were big fans of Superman and read the comic books before Smallville ever started?? [/B]

You know, Superman and HoYay didn't start with SMALLVILLE. It's been going on waaaay longer than that. In fact, someone once posted a link (at the old Kryptonsite board, I think) to an article written long ago about the homoerotic undertones in the Superman mythos.

I, personally, don't see HoYay first hand when I'm watching the show. But, when someone points it out to me, I can see what they see, and it can be pretty interesting.

Jaded

06-10-2004, 09:15 AM

Dannyblue wrote:
I, personally, don't see HoYay first hand when I'm watching the show. But, when someone points it out to me, I can see what they see, and it can be pretty interesting.
Not even with that hug in Asylum? ;) The closed eyes, Lex's tiny smile, the bliss... It's love! :D

I know this (http://fp.ignatz.plus.com/menintights.htm) isn't the article you were talking about, Dannyblue, but it discusses the homoeroticism of comics and mentions Smallville and Clex in particular.

Dannyblue1

06-10-2004, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Jaded
Not even with that hug in Asylum? ;) The closed eyes, Lex's tiny smile, the bliss... It's love! :D

Well, I've gotten a little better, so I saw that one. But, when Clark ripped off Lex's shirt, it never even occured to me that that was HoYay. Then, I came onto the boards and saw what everyone was saying, and smacked myself in the forehead for missing it. (It just seems obvious to me now that that would be HoYay-ish. At the time, I was just thinking of how mean Clark was being.) And there are so many other occasions.

Like I said, rather than being anti-HoYay, I just don't usually see it. But I love having the subtext pointed out to me, so I can see those scenes in a new way. It adds another dimension, which I find interesting.

Naomi

06-10-2004, 09:40 AM

I made a comedy video of Lex gripping phallic objects and swishing around in season 1. If anyone wants to check it out Right click and save (www.streamload.com/Frelling_Tralk/Alexander/Alexander.WMV)

Jaded

06-10-2004, 09:49 AM

Ahh, swishy!Lex. How I've missed thee...

Naomi, I cherish you forever just for that one shot of island!Lex's ass. :D ::drool::

Naomi

06-10-2004, 03:42 PM

I swear every time I watch that clip I am just waiting for the pants to fall off *sighdrool*

Crossbow

06-14-2004, 02:31 PM

Yeah ... too bad he runs like a girl in that one. Well, sand is hard to run on.

Jaded

06-14-2004, 02:53 PM

:rotfl: Bwahahaha, the running! Dood, even I don't run like that.

...I hope.

Well, sand is hard to run on.
But it appears that even as a child, Lex ran funny...

Naomi

06-14-2004, 03:57 PM

It wasn't so much the sand. It was the flapping arms that made him look a bit girly hee.

Nascent

06-14-2004, 04:41 PM

Heeeeee!!! Yeah what is up with him and the running anyway? MR looks like he's still wearing his hockey skates when he runs. Omar over at TWoP says that the island-flappiness was due to his constraining pants, LOL!

Jaded

06-14-2004, 08:51 PM

I'll believe that. :cool:

Crossbow

06-15-2004, 11:11 AM

Actually, I think MR was doing it to make Lex look crazy. Because we might not have picked that up from the hallucinations.

lexslave

06-15-2004, 03:55 PM

mmmmm..... i love crazy!island!lex (i say bring louis back!-that would REALLY mess up lex..)

and as long as he's not running FROM me, i don't care how he runs... (but yes, i believe in the sand theory) :D

Equestrian4Lyf

06-15-2004, 05:40 PM

Hah! I just remembered that Louis told Lex he was saying the name in his sleep again. They said it was Helen, but you know it was Clark.

On a side note, wasn't Louis a little extra friendly to Lex? I seem to remember some kind of shoulder caressing.

Jaded

06-15-2004, 05:50 PM

Yeah, there were some definite vibes going on there...

Jaded

06-15-2004, 07:51 PM

From the "if you had one day to date michael what would you do with him" thread over on the Actors Board:

Revelations wrote:
You're a Clex fan? So am I. Know any good sites where there are good stories?
On the previous page, Naomi and I posted some fanfic recs; there's also a link a couple pages back for Fiction for Fans. Your best bet would be the Smallville Slash Archive (http://smallville.slashdom.com/index.html). There's also its sister site Level Three (http://www.smallvillefanfic.com/).

There are some good SV rec's here (http://www.geocities.com/tehomet/recs.html#smallville) on Tehomet's site (and really, I'm not just adding it cuz I'm rec'd on there. ...No, really... :p).

For one of the best fanfic authors out there, check out jenn's (http://seperis.illuminatedtext.com/smallvilleindex.html) site.

I also really love nortylaK's (http://muses.amiss.org/svfics.html) work.

Another good fanfic author is Henry Jones, Jr. (http://www.sabershadowkat.com/smallville/smallville.html)

I hope this helps. And welcome! to K-site. :)

Equestrian4Lyf

06-15-2004, 08:26 PM

Ahhh, Henry Jones Jr. has written some of my favorites! Has anyone else read No Longer Friends and A Date With the President?

Jaded

06-15-2004, 08:53 PM

I haven't read those, though "A Date with the President" is on my To Read list... :p

I Have read "L’affaire Caleçon" which is one of my faves, but for some reason I can't seem to find it on the site anymore? The link I have bookmarked still works though, thank goodness for that.

I think I'm going to have to print out all of my fave fics, as I am paranoid of them going offline (I've already got hardcopies of my top 10 :cool: ).

Jaded

06-16-2004, 04:59 PM

whiteflag wants to learn about slash, guys. Think we can help her out? :cool:

whiteflag, on page seven of this thread, I listed some fanfic recs for newbies. Some friendshippy Clex, some relationship Clex, some angst, (and most importantly for the newbie, no graphic sex) but all with a great feel for the emotional tension between the boys.

See how you feel about those. And then if you feel ready for the big leagues, you can move onto Naomi's rec's further down that page. I highly, highly suggest starting that next level with jenn!fic. (I was actually introduced to slash through jenn's "The Wasteland." There was no turning back after that. :D)

Naomi

06-16-2004, 05:08 PM

I first read slash through Spike/Angel and I wasn't sure how I felt about it. I liked the manly bonding, but the sex part was a little much at first.

*Thinking back to some of the fics I've been reading lately* My, how things change :D

I've started reading Stargate slash as well for J/D. The thing is I find for those of us interested in reading about manly bonding, about someone who loves his male friend so much he would willingly die for him, slash is the best place to look. I prefer fic where there's emotional opening up and bonding. I'll happily read Clex friendship fics as well though.

Jaded

06-16-2004, 05:47 PM

You know, going through those recs I made upthread, I just realized that they're mostly Lex-centric. And whiteflag is a Clark fan. Anyone know any good newbie-friendly, Clex fics featuring Clark?

ETA: Ok, I found one that fits the bill (my favorite fic, coincidentally):

Immanence (http://smallville.slashdom.com/archive/5/immanence.html) - from Clark's POV. There's sex, but only two short paragraphs, and it's not graphic at all.

Clark leaned forward, choosing his words carefully. "I've never believed you were completely evil, Lex. I've seen people who live only to destroy, or who want nothing more from life than to hurt people. People who seek power for power's sake. People lost in their own pleasures. You're not any of those things."

"But you still left me," Lex said softly.

"You didn't give me much of a choice."

"Everyone has a choice, Clark. You looked at me, and you deemed me unworthy, and you left. You just flipped a switch and moved on, perfect alien that you are."

"You made your choices, too. Can you honestly say that I was unjust to you?"

"Justice." Lex grimaced. "The perfect and universal law. Sometimes people aren't looking for justice, Clark; they're looking for mercy."

Crossbow

06-16-2004, 07:19 PM

The last two I just read were Clark's POV. Although they were the only two characters in the stories, so "centric" doesn't really apply, I guess ...

blondie

06-17-2004, 05:50 AM

On the Wild coyote archive there is a story called Pompeii it's mainly het with some slash I think it's a good way to ease in it's mainly Clark/Helen. It is explicit though.

celticleod

06-17-2004, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Naomi

I've started reading Stargate slash as well for J/D. The thing is I find for those of us interested in reading about manly bonding, about someone who loves his male friend so much he would willingly die for him, slash is the best place to look. I prefer fic where there's emotional opening up and bonding. I'll happily read Clex friendship fics as well though. [/B]

Naomi, I see that our tastes here, as in so many things, run pretty much parallel. I'd like to find some good Clex friendship fics, but sadly, just like in the recent episodes, those are becoming fewer and further between.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-17-2004, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by celticleod
Naomi, I see that our tastes here, as in so many things, run pretty much parallel. I'd like to find some good Clex friendship fics, but sadly, just like in the recent episodes, those are becoming fewer and further between.

I enjoy the friendship fics, too. I find myself searching for really old ones because they're sweeter.

lexslave

06-18-2004, 06:03 AM

clark and.... and.... HELEN??

"i think i just threw up in my mouth a little" (heh... i can't WAIT to see Dodgeball!)

Naomi

06-18-2004, 06:24 AM

Before the writers got sidetracked with trying to get the audience to love Lana just like they do, it was pretty clear that they loved writing Clex. That's why I enjoy season 1. The writers come from writing guy buddy movies which really comes across.

Spangel in Angel just got on my nerves for a while in season 5 because the writers didn't get it at all. They thought women like slash because they fantasise about two men going at it (like men fancing lesbians) and that's all there is to it. No, that's just a bonus.

I started reading slash fic for J/D in Stargate because they had such a loving relationship, they were like brothers. Michael was the smart nerdish younger brother, and Jack was the army guy who was a bit rough around the edges and saw Daniel as an annoying geek, but Jack had a heart of gold deep down and those two were always there for each other when it counted. If you wanted to read fic about the closeness and love those two shared, you gotta go with slash basically.

I find it hot to think of two men as a loving couple having sex, not saying that doesn't appeal. But it's not just about the nudge nudge wink wink aspect of two hot gays maybe wanting to go at one another. I hated when Angel became like a Carry On film in early season 5. It makes gay cracks a lot more than Smallville. But I'd rather read slash for Smallville or watch season 1 Clex any day.

blondie

06-18-2004, 06:31 AM

Lexslave it's AU when Lex is missing they think he's dead and Consoling each other. She's still a ***** but she's like a lex subsitute for Clark.It's not bad especially for someone that's never read slash.

lexslave

06-18-2004, 08:14 AM

i can't imagine NOT reading it... (fades off in hysterical giggles..slash that is, not the above mentioned story tho.. not my cup o'lex... :)

Crossbow

06-18-2004, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Naomi
Spangel in Angel just got on my nerves for a while in season 5 because the writers didn't get it at all. They thought women like slash because they fantasise about two men going at it (like men fancing lesbians) and that's all there is to it. No, that's just a bonus.

Spangel was forced. It was pretty funny, and I liked that they were doing it, but those two just didn't have chemistry like Clex does.

I don't think that they were exaclty trying to cash in on the slash thing as much as just trying to see what they could get away with. Joss Weadon seems to like doing that.

I hope Smallville starts pushing the envelope more with lots of things, but especially gay-wise. I think they will be. They had that Tina Greer character trying to be LIKE Lana, and then the next time she came back she was trying to SEDUCE Lana. And they had Chloe accidentally out that football player in "truth." It would be cool if on TV gayness was portrayed as just a normal thing more often, and not something everyone gets traumatized over.

I'd also like them to push the envelope by hiring people who can act over people who are pretty, but I think that is just too revolutionary of an idea for them ... They're safer with the gay thing.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-18-2004, 11:41 AM

I read that Helen/Clark fic quite a long time ago. I believe where I found it was labeled as Clark/Lex, Clark/other, so I figured it would be okay. I was wrong. That pairing is just . . . no.

blondie

06-19-2004, 08:35 AM

Hmm maybe I just like Clark with an older woman because I'm an older woman. Or maybe I'm weird.

Tigress35

06-19-2004, 12:33 PM

Hehehe, I liked it.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-19-2004, 03:51 PM

My hatred of Helen got in the way. If it had been almost anyone but her, I would have liked it, the fic itself was written well.

lexslave

06-21-2004, 03:20 PM

hey, anyone in here know what lex is short for?

i'm confused.....(and really f*#@$ing bored...)

*runs and hides from Naomi*

Jaded

06-21-2004, 03:29 PM

...

Lex is short for something?

*hides from Naomi, too*

lexslave

06-21-2004, 03:54 PM

i don't know what for tho....!!!!
i love him so.... i just want to know his full name so i can write it all over my notebook! :D

*giggles*

leximus? lexilicious? lexuriant? lexcellent?

Jaded

06-21-2004, 04:03 PM

Lexual? Lexcalibur? Lexcitement? Lextasy?

Naomi

06-21-2004, 04:07 PM

Do you want to see me cry?

Jaded

06-21-2004, 04:15 PM

Lol! Aww... *pats Naomi*

*snerk* That icon of Adina tripping cracks me up. Every. Time.

Naomi

06-21-2004, 04:19 PM

I got those Adina icons off Suzvoy :lol:

lexslave

06-21-2004, 04:31 PM

i love them too!!! (Adina ROCKS!)
and only tears of joy (or irritation!) :lol:

*hugs Naomi*

Tigress35

06-21-2004, 06:08 PM

Let's keep it on topic folks.

Kimberly

06-21-2004, 06:17 PM

I thought Lex was short for "Damn, I'm sexy no matter who or what you put me in a scene with."

Clex-well, I'm still left with RedK Clark and Lex, though I still haven't seen RedKClark except for Red.

Seriously-Lex isn't short for Billy Bob?

Sigh-I've run into some truly horrifying Clex fics over the last week-and I'm more traumatized than I was by the pathetic character of Clark, and all the Lex angst of season 3 combined.

And, I'm unable to read anything that spins Clark in a way where he insinuates anything is wrong with Lex-so I'm just at a loss.

Hey-thinking about it-Lex+short-they don't compute together.

Naomi

06-21-2004, 07:05 PM

You haven't seen Exile? RedK Clark makes me drool so much. He's perfect for Lex.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-21-2004, 07:19 PM

That was the Clexiest thing about it. I was like he was trying to *be* Lex before he came to Smallville.

Naomi

06-21-2004, 07:48 PM

In Red as well when he came sweeping in wearing an expensive coat and wanting to borrow Lex's car.

lexslave

06-22-2004, 03:02 AM

ahhh... the quintessential clex scene....

yeah, clark could've gotten ANYTHING from billy bob in THAT scene.. :lol:

sorry tigress... my bad.

and of course the... you're with me or against me scene in shattered... (clark makes the right choice!) *faints*

Jaded

06-22-2004, 09:04 AM

Oh god, I cheered out loud at that scene, when Clark gives his parents one last look before turning on his heel and walking away with Billy Bob Lex. W00t!

Kimberly

06-22-2004, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Jaded
Oh god, I cheered out loud at that scene, when Clark gives his parents one last look before turning on his heel and walking away with Billy Bob Lex. W00t!

I was SURE they were running off to elope in that scene. Clark was so self-assured in his belief in Lex in that scene. I was just in love with him at that moment.

Naomi

06-22-2004, 09:40 AM

And the rising music just added to the effect. I was close to bursting into happy tears at that scene. All the Clex in Shattered was almost to much for me to take.

lexslave

06-22-2004, 09:44 AM

yeah, they should have seriously done a PSA after those episodes...

are you on the edge?
is your father (literally) driving you crazy?
paranoid?
hearing things?

call luthorcorp for our new drug, f*itall. it'll fix you right up.... to your admission in the insane asylum...

or had a special warning to us Clex fans..

Fangirls(and boys -edited in honor of Lionel's Son) : be warned... your heart and mind are about to be toyed with, greatly.

*no harm was actually done to the rosenbaum*

Jaded

06-22-2004, 09:48 AM

Hee!

No actual 'dillos were harmed in the making of this episode.

Crossbow

06-22-2004, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
Hee!

No actual 'dillos were harmed in the making of this episode.
OK, that looked like something else entirely the first time I read it.

sexy_lexy0503

06-22-2004, 02:24 PM

hee hee, please see my sig........

Crossbow

06-22-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by sexy_lexy0503
hee hee, please see my sig........

Yes, it really, really is. The Gayest Look Ever.

Lionel's Son

06-22-2004, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Naomi
And the rising music just added to the effect. I was close to bursting into happy tears at that scene. All the Clex in Shattered was almost to much for me to take.

Haha, the rising music and the rising...music.

For me, the Clex suffered an almost fatal blow when Clark zipped off leaving Lionel's lackeys to come and drag Lex away to Belle Reve.

Originally posted by lexslave
yeah, they should have seriously done a PSA after those episodes...

are you on the edge?
is your father (literally) driving you crazy?
paranoid?
hearing things?

call luthorcorp for our new drug, f*itall. it'll fix you right up.... to your admission in the insane asylum...

or had a special warning to us Clex fans..

Fangirls: be warned... your heart and mind are about to be toyed with, greatly.

*no harm was actually done to the rosenbaum*

Let's not forget the fanboys!

Crossbow

06-22-2004, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Lionel's Son
Haha, the rising music and the rising...music.

For me, the Clex suffered an almost fatal blow when Clark zipped off leaving Lionel's lackeys to come and drag Lex away to Belle Reve.

Let's not forget the fanboys!

That was a horrible moment, especially for those of us who were really trying to like Clark!

Fanboy Power.

Jaded

06-22-2004, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
Hee!

No actual 'dillos were harmed in the making of this episode.
OK, that looked like something else entirely the first time I read it.
Dirty! :lol:

(Though I'm sure That particular disclaimer must've aired after the credits of Sorority Boys. :p)

Equestrian4Lyf

06-22-2004, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
Hee!

No actual 'dillos were harmed in the making of this episode.

I was *this* close to spraying creme soda all over my computer screen because of that. Lucky I waited that second to take a sip.

It was a good thing that Shattered was so Clexy to make up for the woobie moments.

lexslave

06-22-2004, 05:42 PM

and fanBOYS too...

:p

lexslave

06-24-2004, 09:50 AM

don't give up on the clex people... we gotta keep it alive!!

Crossbow

06-24-2004, 10:19 AM

We're trying. We're spreading the Clex support a little thin, since we're posting about it on all the other boards as well!

Equestrian4Lyf

06-24-2004, 01:03 PM

Hee, yeah, I think the Clark, homosexual? and the Is Lex Bisexual? and the Do the writers deliverately write gay undertones? threads are extentions of this.

Crossbow

06-24-2004, 02:07 PM

Although I don't think any of those were started by any of us "core" Clexers.

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning

Equestrian4Lyf

06-24-2004, 02:20 PM

Yeah, we didn't start the fire, we just fan the flames.

Crossbow

06-24-2004, 07:43 PM

*nods* Michael Rosenbaum started the fire.

glenfinnan

06-24-2004, 09:02 PM

Yep. Right there on the bank of the river in the pilot.
In front of god and the whole world.

And we're all better for it.:D

lexslave

06-25-2004, 06:49 AM

totally!!! *hugs glenfinnan & lex*

*hugs everyone else* :D

Naomi

06-25-2004, 06:50 AM

There's a poll on the general forum and Clex has 12 votes, Chlark only has 8! We are winning the poll so anyone who hasn't already, go over there and add your vote :D

lexslave

06-25-2004, 08:06 AM

i saw it and couldn't believe it.

its a glimmer of hope. :D

go CLEX!

blondie

06-25-2004, 11:56 AM

Hey guys I thought of a term for people like me that like the Clex but aren't all out for it I'm Bi-Clexual. Any other Bi-Clexuals out there? Definition someone that thinks Clex is hot but prefers it to remain subtext(except in fan fic)

Crossbow

06-25-2004, 11:58 AM

Yeah - I think it's only fun if it's subtext.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-26-2004, 04:53 PM

In the spirit of Clex I just found out that I'm going to San Francisco tomorrow-and tomorrow is the gay pride parade. Whee!

lexslave

06-26-2004, 05:15 PM

Great E4!(there is NO way i can spell your name right now. OR copy and paste...hee)

Louisville's was last week.... ah, the love. :D

have fun!

Equestrian4Lyf

06-26-2004, 09:18 PM

It's too bad that I'm going with my family, and that my mother's a homophobe. That might spoil the fun a bit.

Crossbow

06-27-2004, 05:42 AM

Pride is a big thing here too. I used to go, but it's pretty much just another street fair. Any excuse for a street fair around here.

Jaded

06-27-2004, 03:16 PM

Yay! Street fair!

::ahem::

It still sounds cool, Eq. I hope you have fun. :)

Naomi

06-27-2004, 03:39 PM

Jaded, I love your sig picture! I could never tire of looking at that pic of MR. Is it from the SFX article?

lexslave

06-27-2004, 03:49 PM

yes, it is.... i actually bought 2 copies of that mag... if you are with out i can send you one.

Naomi

06-27-2004, 04:43 PM

Thanks for the offer, but I've got my copy :D It's MR, would I be without it :lol:

Kimberly

06-27-2004, 07:28 PM

:lol: I only own "Sorority Boys". Does that make me a neglectful Clex fan?

Jaded

06-27-2004, 07:30 PM

For shame, Kim! Yes, yes it does. But it also makes you a devoted MR fan, so that's alright. :D

Kimberly

06-27-2004, 07:34 PM

:) I never buy stuff on actors any more-cause there's always an article-and then I feel I have to read it-and I don't want to know.

It's also part of why I won't buy Smallville DVD's for season 2 or 3(that, and the Clark hating thing). I bought one before I knew how much they'd suck the life out of the Clex.

HA! I'm gonna be like a Bangel fan-stuck in season 1 forever with the true love of Clex. :) I've just gotta get Exile taped.

Jaded

06-27-2004, 07:35 PM

Aww, but the commentaries are fun. Plus, MR's voice. Mmm...voice...

lexslave

06-27-2004, 07:45 PM

god i wish i could NOT collect stuff. damn OCD.

tell me what you want Kim...i'll get it to you.

and mmmmmmmmmmm.......MR. period.

Jaded

06-27-2004, 07:58 PM

Naomi wrote:
Jaded, I love your sig picture!
Thanks. :) I thought it quite appropriate with the whole Lex Mafia kick we're on. :D

lexslave

06-27-2004, 08:01 PM

i'm tring to think of t shirts or bumper stickers or something...
i used to have that pic on my computer...i couldn't stand looking at it after a while... got me ALL riled up.....:lol:

he's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO damn hot in it! i worship him.

Jaded

06-27-2004, 08:06 PM

Heehee! It's gracing my laptop background as we speak type.

Oh boy. I just Love his hand(s) in this pic. Just, beautiful. And the fuzzy hair! I just wanna rub his head... (Hey, minds outta the gutter, people!)

Oh yeah, topic: Clark is pretty, too. Clark and Lex are pretty together. HoYay! Yeah, I got nuthin'.

lexslave

06-27-2004, 08:36 PM

it's complete perfection.... i bow before his beauty...
(and trust me, my mind can only be IN the gutter when i look at that!) or the sig pic of the plane scene i had for all of 30 seconds!

and so does clark! clex clex clex....:lol:

Tigress35

06-27-2004, 08:43 PM

Topic please.

lexslave

06-28-2004, 06:39 AM

they had a baby! aaaaaaawwwwwwww.........

who can deny the clexy ness of THAT!

our very own nurse blondie "delivered" the news.

Equestrian4Lyf

06-29-2004, 08:38 PM

Ha! I know, they're just trying to give us ammunition with that one! Now they have to publically declare their love for each other and raise their child together. :D

lexslave

07-08-2004, 06:04 AM

Pheonix CLEX:Revisited.

wasn't that nice? although i kept yelling, "WHY? clark...WHY?... see what you HAD?!?!?!"

Crossbow

07-08-2004, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Equestrian4Lyf
Ha! I know, they're just trying to give us ammunition with that one! Now they have to publically declare their love for each other and raise their child together. :D

Actually, I was envisioning more of a Dr. Evil and Mini-me scenario ...

lexslave

07-09-2004, 07:00 PM

So off topic. Please stick to Clex and do not discuss real people.

blondie

07-10-2004, 06:17 AM

Ok so who thinks that maybe Jason is actually here to be in a triangle with Lex and Clark lol..THIS IS NOT A SPOILER IT"S ON THE FRONT PAGE! So will anyone ship Lason or Clason. At least it will be more interesting then him having to be all about Lana. I'm warming up my subtext detector.

Dukegirl

07-10-2004, 07:22 AM

Clex = great stuff!
Hehe I would like to see Clark and Lex confess they are in love with eachother - probably followed by Lionel and Jonathan getting a heart attack, and Martha fainting.
And of course, as the very last scene of that episode, a passionate kiss between Clark and Lex.
Awwwwwwww :o

lexslave

07-10-2004, 07:24 AM

sorry. i thought it was funny, and wanted to share. :(

and blondie, there is ALREADY people writing fanfic about it. i haven't read any yet, but it's there.

lex does need a new "brother" *cough*

blondie

07-10-2004, 10:21 AM

I knew it! First thing I thought of when I saw the picture now I'm less depressed about the whole thing. You'll have to hook me up later lexslave I can see it now all the jealously and sexual tension oh yeah they'll pretend it's about Lana but we'll know won't we lol..

Naomi

09-04-2004, 08:08 AM

Al Gough has recently said in an interview with CFQ Spotlight magazine that the Clex hug from Phoenix was

"......and you also had my favorite reuniting scene, which was Clark and Lex. It was like the lovers reunite. It's like Clark was on the farm and Lex was lost at war and has finally come home."

Isn't that sweet :)

lexslave

09-04-2004, 12:32 PM

not only true, but sweet. AWW. the lovers reunite. :D

zaris

09-12-2004, 01:46 PM

I love it! If they didn't want us to think Clex, if they were opposed to the idea, why would they say stuff like that.

I loved that hug scene. I feel like it was truly the last real moment of friendship between them. (Shattered and Asylum don't count, too desperate.)

angelfire east

09-13-2004, 06:01 PM

I like Clex, I just read 14 pages of this thread, at frist it made me happy now sad, end of Clex *crys* wish it wasn't so, but I always knew deep down it was going to happen. Happy I'm not the only one who likes Clex. Love that part of haet!

angelfire east

09-14-2004, 08:50 AM

Just watched memoria for frist time...*crys* Clark so maen, poor Lex wants to hug him. No more clex:(

zaris

09-14-2004, 07:58 PM

It's the most painful ep I've ever seen...all built on one misunderstanding after another, by everyone.

I had hoped that Clark would try to pull Lex back from that high tower he's about to jump from with understanding and kindness and supportive friendship rather than threats and bullying and betrayal (from Lex's pov.) Again, speaking as though I don't know what happens later.

angelfire east

09-15-2004, 10:44 PM

It was so painful, that episode made me not like Clark, and I love Clark. I think if he hadn't been such a jeck to Lex, Lex would have told Clark about remembering his mother killing his brother. Maybe even if at the end in the barn just before he remembered if Clark had not been so much of a a**h**e Lex might have told him. I think Lex needed to tell a friend that and would have told Clark. (sorry just saying the same thing over again) To Lex Clark must have betayed him be going to Lionel. maybe he forgive him after Clark was hurt or something. It's Lex who should be anger not Clark. to Lex Clark is did everyhting for no good reason, he dosen't know Clark was trying to protect his secret. Question was Clrk trying to more protect his secret or save his friend? I think he was trying to protect his secret more. If he was ready so worried about Lex detorying his mind then he would have told Lex the turth, even if he didn't tell him about his secret. Better stop myself now so that I don't go on about this episode for ever. I'll post more later.

zaris

09-16-2004, 10:32 PM

I agree with you angelfire east. It was just heartbreaking all around. The beginning of the end of friendship or event he notion of Clex in the romantic sense.

And yes. I hate it when Clark makes me not like him. This wasn't a good show for him.

Daddylion

09-19-2004, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Dukegirl
Clex = great stuff!
Hehe I would like to see Clark and Lex confess they are in love with eachother - probably followed by Lionel and Jonathan getting a heart attack, and Martha fainting.
And of course, as the very last scene of that episode, a passionate kiss between Clark and Lex.
Awwwwwwww :o

I'm a big slash fan and has read SO many of those, but it would be so great if i could actually see it in action... I haven't read all of this thread but I think that there's innuendo for almost ANY pairing if you look hard enough, no matter how sick, wrong or unlikely people might think those pairings are.

I'd rather hope to see Jonathan revealing to Clark after the confession that the reason he hates Lionel so much is because he had a relationship that ended badly. I have read many fics like that too btw...

angelfire east

09-19-2004, 02:57 PM

I read Fan fics where that happened, and thats why he doesn't want Clark to see Lex.

Daddylion

09-20-2004, 06:13 AM

Yes I know but I was kinda hoping that he will get back with Lionel and become less anti-Luthor...So he'll be less against Lex...

angelfire east

09-20-2004, 04:31 PM

I think the more Lex trys no to be like his father, the more he comes like him.

Jaded

09-20-2004, 07:34 PM

the more he comes like him.

Your Freudian slip is showing. ;)

angelfire east

09-20-2004, 10:00 PM

Frendian silp? What is that and how is it showing, is it a good or dad thing?

Daddylion

09-21-2004, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Jaded
Your Freudian slip is showing. ;)

hehehehe... Freudian slip indeed.

I'm not sure if my explanation will go over the rating here or not... I can be very explicit so I'll leave the explanation to other people...

zaris

10-01-2004, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
Your Freudian slip is showing. ;)

Heeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Yaypie

10-12-2004, 08:42 PM

Ah, Smallville. When you were gay you were golden.

phoephoe

10-16-2004, 01:28 PM

I just saw something on hetero male/male relationships. In fact aside from reading it I also saw another television series deal with it. I don't really know how to explain what was said about it but it mainly that 2 friends have a deep caring relationship and maintain a normal relationship with their wives or girlfriends.

In the other show the one guy told the other guy that he loved him. They aren't gay and they don't really appear that way but they care deeply for each other. I would just consider it kind of like treating him like a brother.

Lex lost his brother tragically at an early age and maybe he's looking to fill that void. Clark although he has his dad might be looking for some one to fill as an older mentor like person. A lot of children that are their parents only tend to want siblings and alot have friends that are older than them.

Jaded

10-19-2004, 08:04 PM

is it a good or dad thing?

*tries to explain definition but is giggling too much*

And can I just say, that after last week? Teh Gay? Is sooo back. And it's FABulous!

zaris

10-20-2004, 10:11 AM

The gay is back but I didn't see it between Clark and Lex. I saw Lex acting like Clark's desperate *****.

Jaded

10-20-2004, 03:59 PM

I saw Lex acting like Clark's desperate *****.

Oh, true that. But that didn't make it any less gay. Wasn't the good kind of equal gay that I prefer, but still. Gay.

So Gay my TV practically shot out skittles. I could *taste* the rainbow. And lemme tell you... It was delicious. ;)

Daddylion

10-20-2004, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

So Gay my TV practically shot out skittles. I could *taste* the rainbow. And lemme tell you... It was delicious. ;)

that line deserved to be quotes. I'm so jealous, I wish I could see season 4. I can't believe season three hasn't even come to my country yet. Clex *drools*

Yaypie

10-25-2004, 01:46 PM

I feel it will be Lex's love for Clark under the hate that will keep him from ever destroying Clark. The gay will always be here in UST, they will feel passion for each other no matter in what form.

Sometimes I'll look at Smallville as a big gay tragedy. If only Clark had admitted his feelings for Lex instead repressing them for a pink blob, he'd have been so much happier.

Daddylion

10-25-2004, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Yaypie

Sometimes I'll look at Smallville as a big gay tragedy. If only Clark had admitted his feelings for Lex instead repressing them for a pink blob, he'd have been so much happier.

yeah i know, poor lexy.

Yaypie

10-26-2004, 03:32 PM

And Clark's greatest regret will always be Lex.

But they'll always have big gay season 1! That was the best season anyway, the season of promise.

angelfire east

10-27-2004, 10:35 AM

that's Ture, maybe that's why I love season 1 so much

Naomi

11-08-2004, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Yaypie
And Clark's greatest regret will always be Lex.

But they'll always have big gay season 1! That was the best season anyway, the season of promise.

Season 1 was my favorite too.

All the best episodes seem to have a lot of Clex.

Hourglass, Hug, Lineage, Shattered, Asylum, Memoria all had quite a bit of focus on Clex, and they're the episodes that are discussed more.

Daddylion

11-08-2004, 07:31 PM

*Daddylion sings*

The wonderful thing about Clexies
is that Clexies are wonderful things.

Yaypie

11-11-2004, 10:45 AM

Bouncy bouncy,
fun, fun, fun, fun, fun,
The wonderful thing about being a Clexer is...
I'm not the only one!!!!

Hip hip Hoyay!

AndreaV

11-11-2004, 02:15 PM

Hello everybody!

I am new here and I have been dying to post this. I actually wrote it before I was allowed to post. I apologize because I haven't read all the posts in this thread yet (there are so many!) but I will try to do it. ;)

I have to say that I have seen up to episode 4.2. because WB Latin America started its shows' new season in November. I am trying to get the newer episodes but until then I only can talk about what happened with Clex so far.

Well, let's see...

I love Clex. I think that Lex and Clark are one of the cutest couples I haver seen on a TV show. Impossible as it may seem to actually see them together as a couple in the show, what we have had so far is more chimestry than most of TV couples (straight or gay). The Clex sexual tension in Smallville is only equal to Mulder & Scully before the New Year kiss and Buffy & Angel when they couldn't be together. These guys are on fire! :D

The funny think is that when I think of Clex I don't think of a gay couple. It's more something like two straight guys in love with each other (and please, don't think I have anything against gay couples because i.e. I totally loved Willow and Tara in Buffy) It may sound strange but it's the way I see it. Why? Well, let me explain it:

1. LEX
As someone here mentioned before he has probably experimented with both women and men. Still, I don't think he is gay. I believe lex has experimented pretty much everything he has found because a) he wanted to piss of his father or b) he feels lonely and empty and wants to fill his life with new things.

The point with Lex is that he is a deeply hurted person. He has lost everything that mattered to him. He has been (psychologically) abused by his father and his hole life he has been (or seen himself as) a freak. Besides, everybody thinks the worst of him just because he is a Luthor. With all that, I am sure that all that he truly wants is finding someone who truly loves him as he is (and not for his money). Someone who is happy to see him because that person enjoys spending time with him and who wants nothing from him but his love.

It always amaze me how good Lex is considering his background. He tries so hard to be a good person and he is so hungry of love... and there it's Clark. Everytrhing he has ever wanted. A good, sweet, intelligent (and handsome) young man. The first person who sees through Lex's self-imposed shield and the Luthor name. What the hell if it's a man! Lex has suffered too much for too long to care about little biological details!

2. CLARK
Clark, in the other hand, has had a very good life. He has been loved by his parents and he has grown up surrounded by friends and family. He is not a regular guy, it's true. But who is? Who is "normal"? He has had his limitations like everybody else but at the end of the day he is a happy teenager with all the world open before him.

BUT Clark IS special. He is different and knows how difficult that can be. He is trying to find out who is he and what's his mission in life. He is not perfect but he does have a huge heart and I think that he wants to be loved and cared by someone special. I feel that Clark is essencially straight but I also feel that he won't stop himself from loving someone just because it's a man. And that applies specially to Lex who has always been a very special person to him. Maybe Clark doesn't know it yet but I think he is in love with Lex.

Now...

You're definetely not alone in your objection. The way they're portraying Clark, in my eyes, makes me not like him, and therefore makes me not ship Clex so much. On the show, anyway, fanfics are still good at least.

That's the good thing about Smallville. Isn't it? We can see that "Superman" is not perfect. He had to understand his mission and he made a choice to use his power for good. We also can see that the powers didn't came with a save-the-word-software. Clark/Superman is an extraordinary person not for his abilities but for his choice to help others. And he didn't became a hero just because he could but because he had great parents who taught him the difference between good and eveil and encouraged him to make the right thing.

And Lex... well, we know he will be the bad guy one day but... don't you hurt whan you think about it? It makes me cry every time I see him so shattered and lonely. He is not a bad guy in nature but he will become one because you can be hurt only so many times before it changes you. I know that Clark has never meant to hurt Lex or being unfair to him but he has. It wouldn't be so important if Lex had other people to reasure him, to show him he can be the man he wants to be. But Lex only has Clark and if he rejects him... well, it will only confirm what he thinks of himself (how many time has his father said to him?): that he is crap and he doesn't deserve to be loved, that all he can have is money and power.

We know what's coming. We know that Clark and Lex will never be together. :( They are going to grow apart and become enemies... but I choose not to think about it. I choose to change the story and think that they will make it. The official version hurts too much. :\

angelfire east

11-11-2004, 03:17 PM

wow I like your post AndreaV, you should check out the Lex has the gay-o thing going on sometime.

Originally posted by AndreaV
1. LEX
As someone here mentioned before he has probably experimented with both women and men. Still, I don't think he is gay. I believe lex has experimented pretty much everything he has found because a) he wanted to piss of his father or b) he feels lonely and empty and wants to fill his life with new things.

The point with Lex is that he is a deeply hurted person. He has lost everything that mattered to him. He has been (psychologically) abused by his father and his hole life he has been (or seen himself as) a freak. Besides, everybody thinks the worst of him just because he is a Luthor. With all that, I am sure that all that he truly wants is finding someone who truly loves him as he is (and not for his money). Someone who is happy to see him because that person enjoys spending time with him and who wants nothing from him but his love.
It always amaze me how good Lex is considering his background. He tries so hard to be a good person and he is so hungry of love... and there it's Clark. Everytrhing he has ever wanted. A good, sweet, intelligent (and handsome) young man. The first person who sees through Lex's self-imposed shield and the Luthor name. What the hell if it's a man! Lex has suffered too much for too long to care about little biological details![/B]

i so agree:D

2. CLARK
Clark, in the other hand, has had a very good life. He has been loved by his parents and he has grown up surrounded by friends and family. He is not a regular guy, it's true. But who is? Who is "normal"? He has had his limitations like everybody else but at the end of the day he is a happy teenager with all the world open before him.

BUT Clark IS special. He is different and knows how difficult that can be. He is trying to find out who is he and what's his mission in life. He is not perfect but he does have a huge heart and I think that he wants to be loved and cared by someone special. I feel that Clark is essencially straight but I also feel that he won't stop himself from loving someone just because it's a man. And that applies specially to Lex who has always been a very special person to him. Maybe Clark doesn't know it yet but I think he is in love with Lex.

I agree

And Lex... well, we know he will be the bad guy one day but... don't you hurt whan you think about it? It makes me cry every time I see him so shattered and lonely. He is not a bad guy in nature but he will become one because you can be hurt only so many times before it changes you. I know that Clark has never meant to hurt Lex or being unfair to him but he has. It wouldn't be so important if Lex had other people to reasure him, to show him he can be the man he wants to be. But Lex only has Clark and if he rejects him... well, it will only confirm what he thinks of himself (how many time has his father said to him?): that he is crap and he doesn't deserve to be loved, that all he can have is money and power.
It dose hurt:( I agree with you here too, no love+rejection all the time=evil Lex:( It a sad story when you really think about it

We know what's coming. We know that Clark and Lex will never be together. :( They are going to grow apart and become enemies... but I choose not to think about it. I choose to change the story and think that they will make it. The official version hurts too much. :\
We will alawys have fan fic:(

zaris

11-11-2004, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Naomi
Season 1 was my favorite too.

All the best episodes seem to have a lot of Clex.

Hourglass, Hug, Lineage, Shattered, Asylum, Memoria all had quite a bit of focus on Clex, and they're the episodes that are discussed more.

I agree with all except Memoria. That episode was the antithesis of Clex. Clark behaved abominbally in that towards Lex.

AndreaV

11-11-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east
wow I like your post AndreaV, you should check out the Lex has the gay-o thing going on sometime.

Well, maybe you are right about that. I see Lex as someone who is not afraid of his sexuality. I think he enjoys sex and he has never stopped to think if what he does is "right" or not. I also belive that so far he has used sex as a way to have fun. What he feels for Clark is totally different though. I am sure there is physical attraction but my perception is that (for the first time?) Lex is truly in love. He loves Clark's heart and I believe that he would do anything to have Clark's affection, even if it's just as a friend. Lex is happy knowing that he loves Clark and that Clark cares for him... someone cares for him! Imagine how new and beautiful it must be for Lex.

IMHO the whole Clex thing is pretty obvious in Lex. Clark has all the potential to fall in love with lex or to realize he is. But he is still too young and innocent to fully understand his own feelings. The love and the attraction is there... ready to surface. :p

We will alawys have fan fic:(

I know! I want to thank all the fans who write fan fics and especially Clex slash. You keep it alive! :D

angelfire east

11-11-2004, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by AndreaV
Well, maybe you are right about that. I see Lex as someone who is not afraid of his sexuality. I think he enjoys sex and he has never stopped to think if what he does is "right" or not. I also belive that so far he has used sex as a way to have fun. What he feels for Clark is totally different though. I am sure there is physical attraction but my perception is that (for the first time?) Lex is truly in love. He loves Clark's heart and I believe that he would do anything to have Clark's affection, even if it's just as a friend. Lex is happy knowing that he loves Clark and that Clark cares for him... someone cares for him! Imagine how new and beautiful it must be for Lex.

he also see sex as busness(sp) like he did in season one, Your right he loves clark it's more then just sex to him.

IMHO the whole Clex thing is pretty obvious in Lex. Clark has all the potential to fall in love with lex or to realize he is. But he is still too young and innocent to fully understand his own feelings. The love and the attraction is there... ready to surface. :p

poor Clark dosen't know how good thing could be if only....