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D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by HowardFilms
WTF?

Secret Luthorcorp and Queen Industries data, openable by Chloe on her little computer? Bull.
Well she was jus lookin up the project the one worked on,it jus showed who it was funded by.I dont think that was too much,its believable to see who funded the project imo.My prob was she once assumed oliver was jus a rich junkie,then Ga crossed the hero line.And what's worst is clark still didn't speakup smh,but I didn't think he findin out who funded the woman was a stretch.Besides at this point can anyone really be shocked if she finds info at her cpu :lol:

HowardFilms

11-09-2006, 06:43 PM

If you had a formula that could instantly heal people, would you put its info up on the INTERNET!?

Damali

11-09-2006, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
Besides at this point can anyone really be shocked if she finds info at her cpu :lol:

Shocked? No. But constantly disappointed with the plot device? Yes.

kismet

11-09-2006, 06:45 PM

again... TV show

D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by kismet
again... TV show
Agree

angelfire east

11-09-2006, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Damali
Shocked? No. But constantly disappointed with the plot device? Yes.

Word

cotton candy girl

11-09-2006, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Damali
Shocked? No. But constantly disappointed with the plot device? Yes.

Word x2

Polomontana

11-09-2006, 07:03 PM

They just listed they were doing the research, it didn't say they discovered the formula. That info was simple for Chloe to look up. You can see which companies are researching nanotechnology over the internet.

khufu

11-09-2006, 07:07 PM

^ Yes, you can. As well as which research scientists are working on general problems, even though you probably won't be able to see specific details, its easy to tell what area of a sceintific field someone was working in. That was far from Super!Chloe.

Deana

11-09-2006, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by khufu
^ Yes, you can. As well as which research scientists are working on general problems, even though you probably won't be able to see specific details, its easy to tell what area of a sceintific field someone was working in. That was far from Super!Chloe.

I actually agree. Super Chloe was toned down. She also mentioned a friend that she had to contact at Met U that could help her. It wasn't just her and her Magic School Bus cpu saving the day.

Now finding the doctor's name just by her friends research and such is a bit iffy.

Toned down but not completely...

myankskent

11-09-2006, 07:17 PM

Typical Chloe in this episode. She's shown once again at the DP looking up info for Clark because he's too stupid to do it himself. Isn't Clark going to be an investigative reporter in the future? Don't you think that perhaps we could see him look up information on his own?

biaaly

11-09-2006, 07:21 PM

Word myankskent!

Deana

11-09-2006, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Typical Chloe in this episode. She's shown once again at the DP looking up info for Clark because he's too stupid to do it himself. Isn't Clark going to be an investigative reporter in the future? Don't you think that perhaps we could see him look up information on his own?

I won't hold my breath. Hopefully, he will but I've lost a lot of faith in Clark because of his always running to Chloe instead of investigating himself.

It's sometimes like we are watching Bazaroo's(ms), Superman's clone, instead of the real Clark.

Me am Clark Kent...

chlarklove

11-09-2006, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Typical Chloe in this episode. She's shown once again at the DP looking up info for Clark because he's too stupid to do it himself. Isn't Clark going to be an investigative reporter in the future? Don't you think that perhaps we could see him look up information on his own?

Oh really. And how is he going to do that? He can do basic research but he doesn't have any contacts dealing with anything so how would he get any info on what the drug was for example? I rest my case.

emeraldlabyrinth

11-09-2006, 07:26 PM

you guys have a point on Chloe finding info, but its her job.

khufu

11-09-2006, 07:26 PM

Wait, so are you mad at Chloe .... or Clark? Because it sounds like Clark is the one who's not living up to your expectations, why take it out on Chloe when she didn't even do anything unreasonable in this ep?

myankskent

11-09-2006, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by khufu
Wait, so are you mad at Chloe .... or Clark? Because it sounds like Clark is the one who's not living up to your expectations, why take it out on Chloe when she didn't even do anything unreasonable in this ep?

Mad at TPTB mostly. I'd like to see Clark taking steps to investigate on his own for a change. I just got bothered by the fact that the first time that we see Chloe in this episode, right on cue, Clark is coming into the DP to have her dig up some information for him, followed up by Lana doing the same. It's nothing new, it's just the way that it happened this episode annoyed me.

chlarklove

11-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Damali

11-09-2006, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
Oh really. And how is he going to do that? He can do basic research but he doesn't have any contacts dealing with anything so how would he get any info on what the drug was for example? I rest my case.

True, Chloe always has contacts. However, they always conveniently pop-up during the show. Just in Sneeze Chloe talked to her a Botany Professor and asked him/her to analyze the seeds Clark found...and now she has a Met U contact for molecular chemistry.

It was the same way in high school Chloe always had a namless, faceless, contact somewhere, and I never liked it then.

Deana

11-09-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by khufu
Wait, so are you mad at Chloe .... or Clark? Because it sounds like Clark is the one who's not living up to your expectations, why take it out on Chloe when she didn't even do anything unreasonable in this ep?

When some, myself included, preceived Lana as holding Clark back, we shouted it to the rooftops. Now that it's Chloe, I'm calling it like it is.

I want him to investigate stuff. He is an investigative reporter, but Chloe does the investigating instead of him.

Yes, the writers are moving him toward Superman, but they are forgetting he's an ace reporter and does not need Chloe and her contacts.

D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Mad at TPTB mostly. I'd like to see Clark taking steps to investigate on his own for a change. I just got bothered by the fact that the first time that we see Chloe in this episode, right on cue, Clark is coming into the DP to have her dig up some information for him, followed up by Lana doing the same. It's nothing new, it's just the way that it happened this episode annoyed me.
True I mean she wasn't shown for the first 15/20 min then soon as they show her both clark and lana comin for info.So yea I can agree its more tptb fault in this one,its bad enough for clark all the time but still sumwhat understandable.But even lana came for info(And dont forget lois sayin she'd have better luck wit chloe than clark smh).Its like they dont trust clark to do things on his own,but next week it looks like he has too.

Originally posted by Deana
When some, myself included, preceived Lana as holding Clark back, we shouted it to the rooftops. Now that it's Chloe, I'm calling it like it is.

I want him to investigate stuff. He is an investigative reporter, but Chloe does the investigating instead of him.

Yes, the writers are moving him toward Superman, but they are forgetting he's an ace reporter and does not need Chloe and her contacts.
ya see this I sumwhat agree wit but I dont',clark isn't an investigative reporter jus yet.I do agree he should start doin more but if we r goin to say this much then I think it fits chloe then.Cause she's the one doin all the investigatin,so that I disagree wit.But I do agree it would be good if he started doin more,atleast leanin towards investigative reporting.Cause right now lois is on her way to journalism quicker than he is

Ilovebeinglost

11-09-2006, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by HowardFilms
WTF?

Secret Luthorcorp and Queen Industries data, openable by Chloe on her little computer? Bull.

Oh of course because this show about a man flying around and being bullet proof is just so much about real life they went overboard with this one :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :\

HowardFilms

11-09-2006, 07:45 PM

He's an alien, he's supposed to be unrealistic.

Did her computer come from Krypton?

eas

11-09-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Damali
Shocked? No. But constantly disappointed with the plot device? Yes.

I wasn't shocked, either. I kind of just rolled my eyes and shrugged. They have to use Chloe's Super!Computer to find out the answers to everything. Loved the nod to Princeton, though. :D

cotton candy girl

11-09-2006, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by HowardFilms
He's an alien, he's supposed to be unrealistic.

Did her computer come from Krypton?

Word. Clark being an alien qualifies him to be able to do strange things.

myankskent

11-09-2006, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
True I mean she wasn't shown for the first 15/20 min then soon as they show her both clark and lana comin for info.So yea I can agree its more tptb fault in this one,its bad enough for clark all the time but still sumwhat understandable.But even lana came for info(And dont forget lois sayin she'd have better luck wit chloe than clark smh).Its like they dont trust clark to do things on his own,but next week it looks like he has too.

Exactly, you just hit the nail right on the head when talking about how Chloe was not shown during the first 15 to 20 minutes and then Clark and Lana came in. It was just the way that it happened this episode and how that's really the only thing that Chloe did in this episode, aside from hugging Lana after she told Chloe that she was pregnant. That's what got me riled up about it. But this is nothing new and there certainly wasn't anything out of the ordinary in this episode as compared to others. This episode was not "Mercy" or anything.

khufu

11-09-2006, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Deana
When some, myself included, preceived Lana as holding Clark back, we shouted it to the rooftops. Now that it's Chloe, I'm calling it like it is.

I want him to investigate stuff. He is an investigative reporter, but Chloe does the investigating instead of him.

Yes, the writers are moving him toward Superman, but they are forgetting he's an ace reporter and does not need Chloe and her contacts. No, he's not an investigative reporter right now. He's still learning what his role as a hero is, and I'd much rather they have Clark spend all his scenes being the hero and leave the investigating to the investigative reporter. Because honestly, seeing Clark looking up info that Chloe could easily look up just seems like a waste of screen time to me. When Clark gets to the Daily Planet, he's the one who is green and inexperienced while Lois is the top dog. This is what creates the competition between them. So I just don't expect him to be a journalist right now.

eas

11-09-2006, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Damali
True, Chloe always has contacts. However, they always conveniently pop-up during the show. Just in Sneeze Chloe talked to her a Botany Professor and asked him/her to analyze the seeds Clark found...and now she has a Met U contact for molecular chemistry.

It was the same way in high school Chloe always had a namless, faceless, contact somewhere, and I never liked it then.

Yeah, it's pretty annoying. And when she was in high school, we could just think she had some private consultants she was paying to speed up the process. [which is out of the realm of reality, anyway...]

But academic professors? Or grad students? They're not able to come up with this stuff this quickly. They don't the resources to do it. It would take them weeks -- probably even months.

And there is no way that this Princeton professor put her info up anywhere where other people could access it. She'd be totally paranoid that someone would steal her work and she wouldn't get recognition for it. Academics are massively paranoid about this stuff.

Deana

11-09-2006, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by khufu
No, he's not an investigative reporter right now. He's still learning what his role as a hero is, and I'd much rather they have Clark spend all his scenes being the hero and leave the investigating to the investigative reporter. Because honestly, seeing Clark looking up info that Chloe could easily look up just seems like a waste of screen time to me. When Clark gets to the Daily Planet, he's the one who is green and inexperienced while Lois is the top dog. This is what creates the competition between them. So I just don't expect him to be a journalist right now.

I started watching in Season four, but wasn't he a journalist in highschool? He's going backwards in relation to his future as a journalist instead of forwards.

He doesn't want his friends to get hurt, but the writers make him look like a hyprocite when he runs to Chloe, and she does all the work(that he can do), and tags along on his crusades(right in the thick of danger).

He's going to get her and her contacts iced and then he'll be all angsty when it can be easily avoided by him doing his own investigating.

eas

11-09-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Deana
I started watching in Season four, but wasn't he a journalist in highschool? He's going backwards in relation to his future as a journalist instead of forwards.

He doesn't want his friends to get hurt, but the writers make him look like a hyprocite when he runs to Chloe, and she does all the work(that he can do), and tags along on his crusades(right in the thick of danger).

He's going to get her and her contacts iced and then he'll be all angsty when it can be easily avoided by him doing his own investigating.

Yeah, he's going backward in his development. He's gotten lazy since Chloe found out his secret.

But, in all fairness, it's not Chloe's fault, I think. She's not the one that chases after Clark to ask her the questions & give her the scoop. He uses her as his personal computer database. And that's one the major reasons I don't like their relationship. Because I think it's just Clark using Chloe. And she deserves better.

chlarklove

11-09-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by eas
Yeah, it's pretty annoying. And when she was in high school, we could just think she had some private consultants she was paying to speed up the process. [which is out of the realm of reality, anyway...]

She usually always said how she got her contacts, especially the ones in HS. You should try paying more attention.

But academic professors? Or grad students? They're not able to come up with this stuff this quickly. They don't the resources to do it. It would take them weeks -- probably even months.

Yes, and this is a tv show, they're not going to show them sitting around waiting for results for a long period of time when things are needed fast. Plus it's not like she got it within minutes. It happened over the course of a few scenes, who knows what length of time took place between them. (I'm not saying it was DAYS, but obviously it would be a few hours)

And there is no way that this Princeton professor put her info up anywhere where other people could access it. She'd be totally paranoid that someone would steal her work and she wouldn't get recognition for it. Academics are massively paranoid about this stuff.

It's not like she put up exactly what the drug was and what it did and what was in it and how to create it. She just had information up that she was involved in an experimental drug. As has been said above, there's lots of companies that put up what research they're doing that you can find basic information on.

khufu

11-09-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by eas
And there is no way that this Princeton professor put her info up anywhere where other people could access it. She'd be totally paranoid that someone would steal her work and she wouldn't get recognition for it. Academics are massively paranoid about this stuff. Like I said, there wasn't anything specific on the web - only the general area of what this particular professor was researching. And every college professor in reasearch that I know has all of their published worked available to the public - their published work is enough of an indicator of the types of things they are researching.

D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Exactly, you just hit the nail right on the head when talking about how Chloe was not shown during the first 15 to 20 minutes and then Clark and Lana came in. It was just the way that it happened this episode and how that's really the only thing that Chloe did in this episode, aside from hugging Lana after she told Chloe that she was pregnant. That's what got me riled up about it. But this is nothing new and there certainly wasn't anything out of the ordinary in this episode as compared to others. This episode was not "Mercy" or anything.
True I agree,that's why I'm suprise sum r actually shocked tonight

Damali

11-09-2006, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by eas
But academic professors? Or grad students? They're not able to come up with this stuff this quickly. They don't the resources to do it. It would take them weeks -- probably even months.

And there is no way that this Princeton professor put her info up anywhere where other people could access it. She'd be totally paranoid that someone would steal her work and she wouldn't get recognition for it. Academics are massively paranoid about this stuff.

I agree with you about the Princeton Professor. I don't buy for one minute that Chloe could dig up that kind of information on an on-going Research and Development project....that wasn't even out of the testing phase. Plus, seeing how what they were doing was highly controversial research, doing a google search wouldn't be enough.

The SV writers' are giving me headaches. ;)

Yeah, he's going backward in his development. He's gotten lazy since Chloe found out his secret.

Word!

khufu

11-09-2006, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Deana
I started watching in Season four, but wasn't he a journalist in highschool? He's going backwards in relation to his future as a journalist instead of forwards.He wrote for the Torch for a period, yes. But after he graduated, the Clana mess, his father dying, Zod and Brainiac - journalism is not at the top of his list. But that's exactly my point - Clark has so much hero stuff to do that for him to spend time researching stuff that Chloe could do better just doesn't make sense. They're a crime fighting team and each has their specialty.

myankskent

11-09-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Deana
I started watching in Season four, but wasn't he a journalist in highschool? He's going backwards in relation to his future as a journalist instead of forwards.

He doesn't want his friends to get hurt, but the writers make him look like a hyprocite when he runs to Chloe, and she does all the work(that he can do), and tags along on his crusades(right in the thick of danger).

He's going to get her and her contacts iced and then he'll be all angsty when it can be easily avoided by him doing his own investigating.

I agree. These days, Clark's kryptonite seems to be a computer since Chloe is around. He used to look up so much stuff in the high school years, heck, the very first time we see Clark in the Pilot episode, he is searching the internet. But I haven't seen him investigate one thing using a computer since season 4 at the earliest.

D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Deana
I started watching in Season four, but wasn't he a journalist in highschool? He's going backwards in relation to his future as a journalist instead of forwards.

He doesn't want his friends to get hurt, but the writers make him look like a hyprocite when he runs to Chloe, and she does all the work(that he can do), and tags along on his crusades(right in the thick of danger).

He's going to get her and her contacts iced and then he'll be all angsty when it can be easily avoided by him doing his own investigating.
yea he has taken a step back from journalism since s4,and ur right he does let chloe get involved in danger situations.But lately or atleast this season he's been protective of her,so she's not really taggin along for the crusades at the moment.I think if she was ppl wouldn't complain about the search engine as much,cause now all she does is sit at the cpu.Atleast before she get the info and they both go searchin for clues.I was suprise tonight when they both went to the lab cause lately clark hasn't been lettin her tag along.So yea as far as journalism goes he's taken a few steps back,as for protection of his friends he's doin a better job

eas

11-09-2006, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by khufu
Like I said, there wasn't anything specific on the web - only the general area of what this particular professor was researching. And every college professor in reasearch that I know has all of their published worked available to the public - their published work is enough of an indicator of the types of things they are researching.

It wasn't published work. It was an ongoing project. And it was something that would have been incredibly vaguely described on the web. I would say that Chloe would be able to see that the professor is on leave & that she's spending her leave working on a project for Queen Industries. But to have her "contact" at the University be able to pinpoint exactly which scientist would have made the serum? No way... it's impossible. First of all, tons of scientists all over the country are going to be working on the same kind of stuff at the same time. And, secondly, this lady wouldn't post anything that would make it seem like she was close to getting the winning formula. (Especially considering she thought she had to go back to the drawing board. She'd be made a laughing stock.)

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 08:09 PM

Ok hold up folks *whistle Blow*

Hit rewind on the Tivo and watch the epi again.

Clark brings the syringe to Chloe.

Chloe takes it to a molecular biologist.

He (the biologist) tells her what it does.

He (the biologist) also tells her that it affects a portion of the brain that controls anger.

The pictures on the internet on Chloe's computer are of those areas of the brain affected to give a visual representation and not of anything specific to the formula.

She does not find out about anything regarding Lutohorcorp without Clark seeing the halfway house docs (with X-ray vis no hacking) in the lab.

Met U biologist able to Crack a cutting edge formula lame? Yes.

Chloe hacking for the win? Nope.

D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by khufu
He wrote for the Torch for a period, yes. But after he graduated, the Clana mess, his father dying, Zod and Brainiac - journalism is not at the top of his list. But that's exactly my point - Clark has so much hero stuff to do that for him to spend time researching stuff that Chloe could do better just doesn't make sense. They're a crime fighting team and each has their specialty.
This much I agree wit,while it would be good to see clark bein the investigative reporter he's not,and should leave that to chloe for now.Show a few signs but not breakup the chlark team dynamic,it worked for 6 yrs now.So I agree they both have their wayz of helpin out(We may not like those but hey)and it compliments what the other lacks.Chloe has the resources to find out info on crimes,clark has the ability to actually do sumthin about it.So its no prob wit me if tptb dont try makin him a complete fool.Now if they have her gon for an episode and he jus breaks down and can't handle sumthin then I'd agree wit everyone else,but for now they compliment each other talents cause they r a team.Both can't be great

chlarklove

11-09-2006, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by khufu
He wrote for the Torch for a period, yes. But after he graduated, the Clana mess, his father dying, Zod and Brainiac - journalism is not at the top of his list. But that's exactly my point - Clark has so much hero stuff to do that for him to spend time researching stuff that Chloe could do better just doesn't make sense. They're a crime fighting team and each has their specialty.

WORD.

But I haven't seen him investigate one thing using a computer since season 4 at the earliest.

Tomb.

And this season he's a bit busy. But whatever. Chloe does it better and has more resources and contacts to get things done faster. I guess that doesn't matter though. *shrug*

As for him doing research at the Torch.. yeah I wonder why. Could it be he, oh I dunno.... WORKED THERE and had access when ever he wanted?

D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 08:11 PM

eas

11-09-2006, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Ok hold up folks *whistle Blow*

Hit rewind on the Tivo and watch the epi again.

Clark brings the syringe to Chloe.

Chloe takes it to a molecular biologist.

He (the biologist) tells her what it does.

He (the biologist) also tells her that it affects a portion of the brain that controls anger.

The pictures on the internet on Chloe's computer are of those areas of the brain affected to give a visual representation and not of anything specific to the formula.

She does not find out about anything regarding Lutohorcorp without Clark seeing the halfway house docs (with X-ray vis no hacking) in the lab.

Met U biologist able to Crack a cutting edge formula lame? Yes.

Chloe hacking for the win? Nope.

I don't think her finding out about Luthorcorp was the issue. I know that it wasn't Chloe that made that connection.

The issue I have is her typing in some magic formula and coming up the doctor's name. And she does that on her own... and there's no way she'd have access to that data. Chloe says, "she's the only one doing that level of research"... something that makes absolutely no sense, first of all. She figures out that Pamela Black has been working for Queen Industries after she read's the lady's bio on the web.

The issue I have is that:

1- there are no magical professors/grad students that will get you this kind of data this quickly (I'm even not factoring in Thanksgiving break).
2 - if they manage to figure out what the damn thing is in record time, there is no way they can pinpoint exactly which professor made the break-through. Because tons of them work on the same type of project at the same time. (Case in point: Cancer. We don't only have one professor in the world working "on that level of research". They're working their butts off to be the one to find the cure.)
3 - If Chloe found the professor's name on her Super!Search Engine then she's Brainiac. That's all I'm saying. She can control technology. Because it makes no sense what-so-ever.

In short: Met U's faculty has become the super-google for Chloe. It's lazy writing.

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-09-2006, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I agree. These days, Clark's kryptonite seems to be a computer since Chloe is around. He used to look up so much stuff in the high school years, heck, the very first time we see Clark in the Pilot episode, he is searching the internet. But I haven't seen him investigate one thing using a computer since season 4 at the earliest.

Actually he found Chloe by himself in Tomb using a computer and Chloe's database at the planet...wich means that even the most complete idiot can use it really :P ...J/K I love Clark!!!!:D

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by eas
I don't think her finding out about Luthorcorp was the issue. I know that it wasn't Chloe that made that connection.

The issue I have is her typing in some magic formula and coming up the doctor's name. And she does that on her own... and there's no way she'd have access to that data. Chloe says, "she's the only one doing that level of research"... something that makes absolutely no sense, first of all. She figures out that Pamela Black has been working for Queen Industries after she read's the lady's bio on the web.

The issue I have is that:

1- there are no magical professors/grad students that will get you this kind of data this quickly (I'm even not factoring in Thanksgiving break).
2 - if they manage to figure out what the damn thing is in record time, there is no way they can pinpoint exactly which professor made the break-through. Because tons of them work on the same type of project at the same time. (Case in point: Cancer. We don't only have one professor in the world working "on that level of research". They're working their butts off to be the one to find the cure.)

In short: Met U's faculty has become the super-google for Chloe. It's lazy writing.

And I'm not debating that it's lazy writing. The title and tone of the thread is Chloe's superhack skills again where she isn't using any at all.

Several people posted thinking that she hacked Dr. Blacks name which again she didn't. Just "googled it" and it came up. Again realistic? No more than your other points. Chloe hacking as the title of the thread and several posters implicate? Nope:)

eas

11-09-2006, 08:27 PM

^^ It is super-hacking. Because she had no way of knowing what name to google. That's the point. No one can google a piece of data that they don't know. She had no way of knowing the woman's name -- thus, the super-hacking.

myankskent

11-09-2006, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Actually he found Chloe by himself in Tomb using a computer and Chloe's database at the planet...wich means that even the most complete idiot can use it really :P...J/K I love Clark!!!!:D

Well then you're not going to like what I'm about to say. Don't you find it convenient that the one episode where Clark does use a computer, Chloe is not around? We may have just found the problem. And I'm not saying get rid of Chloe, I'm just saying that I'd like to see Clark do that type of stuff more. I don't think that's too much to ask since he is supposed to be an investigative reporter in the future. Since he is involved in all of the major plots of this show, it wouldn't hurt once in a while to have him investigate just so people don't view Clark as a complete moron.

STFanatic

11-09-2006, 08:29 PM

They sure promote Google on Smallville. :D

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 08:30 PM

And actually ya'all might be surprised how much research scientists collaborate and publish research these days in the medical field these days.

The internet has been an absolutely huge repository for medical information and colaboration. It's basically a digital think tank for medical theory.

Especially when it's not some form of bio-weapon. Google "A.I.D.S." research one day and you'll literally get tons of hits with published articles of research on the virus, vaccine research, even complete quack blog posting.

With global manufacturing and materials combined with reverse engineering patents are a joke in most cases and it's all about who can get a product to market first for brand name recognition.

Anyways, point being you would be surprised how much cutting edge medical theory is on-line.

jimmyolsenblues

11-09-2006, 08:30 PM

clark relies on chloe too much to think.
I know tptb are using the clark asking chloe for help as a plot device. like keep the audience in the story, let them listen in on clark asking chloe to check something.
but we are not happy with this. chloe can do too much with that laptop. seems chloe's powers are sometimes much greater then clark bda brain could ever be.

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by eas
^^ It is super-hacking. Because she had no way of knowing what name to google. That's the point. No one can google a piece of data that they don't know. She had no way of knowing the woman's name -- thus, the super-hacking.

How do you draw that? Medical practice is specialized by field and the lead as to type of research came again from the Met U guy.

Edit: Anyways like I said. Google A.I.D.S research and it will return the leading doctors working in the field in several areas including infection, transmission, vaccination, and even down to protein and RNA analysis. It's not magic, unless it's military the medical community shares lot's of info.

eas

11-09-2006, 08:36 PM

She's the only scientist in the field who does that research? Makes no sense. The Met. U. guy should have given her over a thousand names of scientists who were working on it. Not just one. Academia (science fields especially) don't work that way. Superhacking... or bad writing.

Either way, it makes Chloe = Super!Chloe, yet once again. I love Chloe, but sometimes I feel like the only reason she comes in an episode is to provide exposition for the main plot. To draw a map for Clark to save the day. I want her to have a real plot. Something real to do, rather than regurgitate stuff she found her computer.

STFanatic

11-09-2006, 08:36 PM

I think she was near a computer, well, back then a video game maybe, during the meteor shower, and that is how she became "CpuGirl!

eas

11-09-2006, 08:37 PM

^^ :lol:

Ooohh... maybe she's Brainiac! That would help explain everything.

aqua

11-09-2006, 08:40 PM

This is Chloe, the girl who is so incredibly gifted in hacking she could probably hack into God's laptop.

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 08:45 PM

Post #53 of 54

She's the only scientist in the field who does that research? Makes no sense. The Met. U. guy should have given her over a thousand names of scientists who were working on it. Not just one. Academia (science fields especially) don't work that way. Superhacking... or bad writing.

Well not only...remember the quote "top" or more specifically "on that level".

/shrug like I said I fully admit it's implausible writing but it's not Chloe hacking. Don't forget that SV for better or worse doesn't like long ranging plots when it comes to problem solving. In that context they only have 45 mins to get to a resolution so in that respect it's cognizant writing:) Cognizant of the clock not realism.

Lois went from not caring about journalism at all to being a front page reporter for a tabloid in one episode and you're nitpicking a fast internet search return as unlikely?

TalkinMac

11-09-2006, 08:47 PM

She was barely in this episode and I wish they would give her a different job besides looking up stuff for Clark.

Kal-ed

11-09-2006, 08:47 PM

Yeah but if it had been Lois people wouldnt have been so forgiving, aparently bad writing is justified and ok when its Chloe and the Character stays untouched by it: Lets face it Lois´s bigest issues (as a character) are writing related, and she still gets hell for it. I just dont like some peoples double standards.

eas

11-09-2006, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Well not only...remember the quote "top" or more specifically "on that level".

/shrug like I said I fully admit it's implausible writing but it's not Chloe hacking. Don't forget that SV for better or worse doesn't like long ranging plots when it comes to problem solving. In that context they only have 45 mins to get to a resolution so in that respect it's cognizant writing:) Cognizant of the clock not realism.

Lois went from not caring about journalism at all to being a front page reporter for a tabloid in one episode and you're nitpicking a fast internet search return as unlikely?

Yes -- that "level of research" was one of the most ridiculous excuses for superhacking. Sorry, it's bad writing & makes no sense. I'm not going to cut the writer's slack on it.

And I didn't do it for Lois's Barn Door Epiphany, either. I hated that & I still do.

I just have the same standards whether the writing applies to Clark, Lois or Chloe. I expect more from the writers & they aren't giving it to me. Especially when it comes to using Chloe as the "know-it-all" of the group that magically produces all the answers on her computer.

It's poor character development and I'm surprised that more Chloe fans aren't up in arms about it. It's not good for Chloe's character to be reduced to this. She deserves more.

And I might have considered this example nit-picking if it was an isolated incident -- but we saw this happen all of season 5 & now the writers are doing it again in season 6.

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Yeah but if it had been Lois people wouldnt have been so forgiving, aparently bad writing is justified and ok when its Chloe and the Character stays untouched by it: Lets face it Lois´s bigest issues (as a character) are writing related, and she still gets hell for it. I just dont like some peoples double standards.

The difference with Lois is that writing is character reflection. Lois' wrting often compromises her character and it changes from epi to epi.

That's where she catches crap. Not with her abilities. Do you see people talking about her martial arts skills when she uses them? I don't see any threads...why? She has a history of it and using them has precedent.

Chloe's been established as computer proficient and it's a tool of hers just like martial art's is for Lois. It doesn't compromise her character.

Kal-ed

11-09-2006, 08:58 PM

Yeah her computer proficiency is as unreal as Lois incursion into Journalism.

And regardless in what sense it is done or if it compromises the character or not, in fact if bad writing comprimises the character is even worse and more to my point, Lois´s biggest flaws are still writing related.

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by eas
Yes -- that "level of research" was one of the most ridiculous excuses for superhacking. Sorry, it's bad writing & makes no sense. I'm not going to cut the writer's slack on it.

And I didn't do it for Lois's Barn Door Epiphany, either. I hated that & I still do.

I just have the same standards whether the writing applies to Clark, Lois or Chloe. I expect more from the writers & they aren't giving it to me. Especially when it comes to using Chloe as the "know-it-all" of the group that magically produces all the answers on her computer.

It's poor character development and I'm surprised that more Chloe fans aren't up in arms about it. It's not good for Chloe's character to be reduced to this. She deserves more.

And I might have considered this example nit-picking if it was an isolated incident -- but we saw this happen all of season 5 & now the writers are doing it again in season 6.

There is that word again...superhack. Hacking means to break into something that you aren't supposed to have access to. Which she didn't do.

It's a shortened plot device to hand her the answer but she didn't hack it at all. She got leads from a source and typed in the parameters for a search ariving at a conclusion.

Back to my original point it's not a knock on Chloe's char at all. That it's arived at in under 1 hour isn't all that great but any kind of sleuth show does the same thing. Go watch C.S.I where they collect, process, and solve the crime in 1hour having drinks by the 56 minute mark.

Ares

11-09-2006, 09:03 PM

Yeah its stupid she can find anything on her stupid computer. I wanted that to stop in Season 1

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Yeah her computer proficiency is as unreal as Lois incursion into Journalism.

And regardless in what sense it is done or if it compromises the character or not, in fact if bad writing comprimises the character is even worse and more to my point, Lois´s biggest flaws are still writing related.

I don't understand? Chloe has been shown with a computer in almost every episode since S1 with a computer of some sort.

Like I said comp proficiency is as much a part of her character as Lois using martial arts.

I digress again however. Since S1 regardless of device SV has been a 1hour show that starts and wraps a problem in 1 hour with shortcuts along the way regardless of who the main antagonist is.

cmm

11-09-2006, 09:12 PM

Why is everyone dumping on Chloe??? I dont' get how her hacking a file is is considered to be impossible people do that crap all the time. Her hacking isn't something she developed over night she's been doing it since the start and has gotten better at it over the years. I think everyone seems to forget she's a reporter and finding out a secret is what she's about. It makes sense to me she's the brains of the project and does all the grunt work cause that's her forte. If it wasn't for wall of weird and her finding out info Clark would never have known half he did.

Also, I see Chloe in a way as Clark's mentor she's what pushes him to become the person he will do later. But, I have to say the writers are really dragging the journalism side to clark out. I'd really like to see him make some strides to study it more this season.

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Ares
Yeah its stupid she can find anything on her stupid computer. I wanted that to stop in Season 1

Google "medulla oblongata".

Being able to find what that area is, what it controls, and what chemicals might affect isn't superhacking. They teach it in middle school biology.

Or you can watch Happy Gilmore and get the defintion there.

Edit: And no that's not what the actual area was in the epi.

Kal-ed

11-09-2006, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
I don't understand? Chloe has been shown with a computer in almost every episode since S1 with a computer of some sort.

Like I said comp proficiency is as much a part of her character as Lois using martial arts.

Look I dont want to get in to it, but Chloe learned to hack while:

1.- Keeping a high GPA (needed to be a Valedictorian)
2.- Torch editor and reporter (task included: Editing all the other article besides her own, pictures editing, printing, etc)
3.- Clarks sidekick and girl friday
4.- Dating a couple of FOTW and atending parties and proms.

Now all of this doesnt sound unrealistic, her being a hacker also is not unrealistic, but if you put them together it is, being a hacker at the Chloe level takes 15 hours a day during years and years, and hacking in to big corporations like Lexcorp (maybe not in this epi but she has done it before) would require 20 hackers storming at the same time the corporations firewall and other protections untill one of them gets through (it could be some other hacker, not necesarily Chloe). Now im not complaining about Chloe, I know its bad writing, but I dont agree that Lois is judged on totaly diferent standards.

Originally posted by cmm
Why is everyone dumping on Chloe??? I dont' get how her hacking a file is is considered to be impossible people do that crap all the time. Her hacking isn't something she developed over night she's been doing it since the start and has gotten better at it over the years. I think everyone seems to forget she's a reporter and finding out a secret is what she's about. It makes sense to me she's the brains of the project and does all the grunt work cause that's her forte. If it wasn't for wall of weird and her finding out info Clark would never have known half he did.

Also, I see Chloe in a way as Clark's mentor she's what pushes him to become the person he will do later. But, I have to say the writers are really dragging the journalism side to clark out. I'd really like to see him make some strides to study it more this season.

We are dumping on the writers, well at least on my part, oh and Im dumping on the double standards sometimes used regarding Chloe and Lois.

Originally posted by jaybyrd28

Or you can watch Happy Gilmore and get the defintion there.

Isnt it in Water boy :D

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28

Or you can watch Happy Gilmore and get the defintion there.

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Isnt it in Water boy

Ouch. I hath been burned and I accept that fact. Damn I'm slipping on my Sandler movies. You are correct sir.

Look I dont want to get in to it, but Chloe learned to hack while:

1.- Keeping a high GPA (needed to be a Valedictorian)
2.- Torch editor and reporter (task included: Editing all the other article besides her own, pictures editing, printing, etc)
3.- Clarks sidekick and girl friday
4.- Dating a couple of FOTW and atending parties and proms.

Now all of this doesnt sound unrealistic, her being a hacker also is not unrealistic, but if you put them together it is, being a hacker at the Chloe level takes 15 hours a day during years and years, and hacking in to big corporations like Lexcorp (maybe not in this epi but she has done it before) would require 20 hackers storming at the same time the corporations firewall and other protections untill one of them gets through (it could be some other hacker, not necesarily Chloe). Now im not complaining about Chloe, I know its bad writing, but I dont agree that Lois is judged on totaly diferent standards.

Back to the original point is that the crap Lois catches is moral compass and lightswitch decisions and NOT skills. No one ever ddebates her skills they debate the core.

If Chloe had discovered her computer prowess overnight you have a parralell. Otherwise it's apples to oranges.

BadToad

11-09-2006, 09:36 PM

Personally, I had no problem with Chloe's role in this episode, or how she related with Clark.

So, lets take Chloe out of the equation, and we see Clark just hacking on his own. No other characer to interact with. No reason to voice outloud what he's seeing, or what it means. Then he goes alone, and gets to the lab. No other person there to provide exposition with (since most of the action takes place off screen). Thats what we want?

It gets pointless to list all the things Clark does, because apparently if he doesn't hack, he's stupid. OK, whatever. I'm just going to disagree on that.

Sure, there are times I'd like to see a little more Clark brain power in display, but I'm just fine with Chloe's role as hacker, and gal with the contacts. It frees Clark up to run around town saving people, and having a moment with Lana, or visiting Lana in the hospital, or confronting Ollie, or saving Lex. And thats fine with me.

Kal-ed

11-09-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by BadToad
Personally, I had no problem with Chloe's role in this episode, or how she related with Clark.

So, lets take Chloe out of the equation, and we see Clark just hacking on his own. No other characer to interact with. No reason to voice outloud what he's seeing, or what it means. Then he goes alone, and gets to the lab. No other person there to provide exposition with (since most of the action takes place off screen). Thats what we want?

It gets pointless to list all the things Clark does, because apparently if he doesn't hack, he's stupid. OK, whatever. I'm just going to disagree on that.

Sure, there are times I'd like to see a little more Clark brain power in display, but I'm just fine with Chloe's role as hacker, and gal with the contacts. It frees Clark up to run around town saving people, and having a moment with Lana, or visiting Lana in the hospital, or confronting Ollie, or saving Lex. And thats fine with me.

In the words of the Beach Boys and in the air of Sandler movies:

"Wouldnt it be nice..."

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
In the words of the Beach Boys and in the air of Sandler movies:

"Wouldnt it be nice..."

I'm not a Supe's guru or anything but it's alway sbeen my take that Superman is always or usually a reactionary force to threat. Not proactive.

cmm

11-09-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
I'm not a Supe's guru or anything but it's alway sbeen my take that Superman is always or usually a reactionary force to threat. Not proactive.

Thank you for giving a statment to my thoughts I was trying to say this before but didn't know how. LOL i had a moment of brainfart!lol

ma200

11-09-2006, 10:08 PM

chlarklove

11-09-2006, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Look I dont want to get in to it, but Chloe learned to hack while:

1.- Keeping a high GPA (needed to be a Valedictorian)
2.- Torch editor and reporter (task included: Editing all the other article besides her own, pictures editing, printing, etc)
3.- Clarks sidekick and girl friday
4.- Dating a couple of FOTW and atending parties and proms.

How is that any different than your average overachieving high schooler? Aside from dating FotWs (you can just insert normal teenage boys) and being a sidekick to a superpowered alien?

Originally posted by ma200
Chloe is a caricature.

I think you have the wrong word, or definition because Chloe's abilities aren't overexaggerated (in Mercy, yes) or used for comedy in any way. She's been developing them since the first season. Regardless of whether or not you believe them isn't the point. They've gone to the lengths to show over the seasons on how she's developed and gotten *better* at them. And the main thing to remember is she's been consistent. Which is something that can't be said for the other two ladies on the show.

lilkoolmaria

11-09-2006, 10:21 PM

It's not the first time Chloe has done something impossible. And probably not the last.

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by ma200
SuperChloe indeed.

Chloe is a caricature. How is that any better than LL's lightswitch into journalism?

Which takes more time to develop? A caricature which by default, to be recognized, has to resemble something, or flipping a switch?

Besides, caricature is a visual depiction.

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
It's not the first time Chloe has done something impossible. And probably not the last.

As opposed to Lois and Martha surviing a high speed plane crash?

ma200

11-09-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Which takes more time to develop? A caricature which by default, to be recognized, has to resemble something, or flipping a switch?

Besides, caricature is a visual depiction.

As opposed to Lois and Martha surviing a high speed plane crash?

Caricatures are about overexaggerated characteristics of a character and are used to move the plot along. For example, caricatures were used in the movie Crash to emphasize the theme of racism.

Chloe is often thought to be a well-rounded character. But how so? A caricature is not a three-dimensional character.

jaybyrd28

11-09-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by ma200
Caricatures are about overexaggerated characteristics of a character and are used to move the plot along. For example, caricatures were used in the movie Crash to emphasize the theme of racism.

Chloe is often thought to be a well-rounded character. But how so? A caricature is not a three-dimensional character.

And didn't Matt Dillon breakhis mold in that movie after exposure?

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-09-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Well then you're not going to like what I'm about to say. Don't you find it convenient that the one episode where Clark does use a computer, Chloe is not around? We may have just found the problem. And I'm not saying get rid of Chloe, I'm just saying that I'd like to see Clark do that type of stuff more. I don't think that's too much to ask since he is supposed to be an investigative reporter in the future. Since he is involved in all of the major plots of this show, it wouldn't hurt once in a while to have him investigate just so people don't view Clark as a complete moron.

Actually is not a problem at all but I guess it doens't bother me that much because I'm not sure what kind of Superman continuity are we going to end to. If is like the LnC then is true he needs to develop more his skills as a reporter since in that continuity they are Lane-Kent team, but if its the movies Superman then he just need to know how to do his work right because part of the disguise is that he isn't the best reporter so he doens't get a lot of jobs so he can be around saving people must of the time.

ma200

11-09-2006, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
And didn't Matt Dillon breakhis mold in that movie after exposure?

Yeah, for playing a caricature in a movie filled with them. There's nothing wrong with a caricature if it's here to emphasize a theme. But that does not make them three-dimensional characters.

Chloe is not a three-dimensional character. In fact, she's pretty much a useless caricature. Useless in the sense that she's not here to make a point, she's here to be Clark's search engine.

Snip_credit

11-09-2006, 11:38 PM

Wait till Clark finds out the truth and Chloe was actually sent by Jo-El to spy on. She actually does have a super computer and her contact is Fox Mulder.

Wait, sorry, wrong show. My bad.

InLove_with_Chloe

11-10-2006, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by HowardFilms
WTF?

Secret Luthorcorp and Queen Industries data, openable by Chloe on her little computer? Bull.

Yeah, the writers love shortcuts, what can I say...?

jaybyrd28

11-10-2006, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by ma200
Yeah, for playing a caricature in a movie filled with them. There's nothing wrong with a caricature if it's here to emphasize a theme. But that does not make them three-dimensional characters.

Chloe is not a three-dimensional character. In fact, she's pretty much a useless caricature. Useless in the sense that she's not here to make a point, she's here to be Clark's search engine.

Again I'm just curious as to what is your point. If we want to have the "Who is a shallow character contest" you can pick far more viable people on the show than Chloe of all people.

I mean heck for almost 5 straight seasons Lana's main role was to be knocked out while Clark saved her.

Martha and Jonathon were there just to tell Clark how super-duper he was.

Lex was there just to be Lex (honestly one of the best developed chars along with Chloe).

And then we have Lois. Look I'm not a basher at all. Really I'm not. I just say what I see. Click on my name and read some of my other posts regarding Lois specifically the portions where I actually used to really like her. But since early S5 her main plotline is to say smartass stuff to Clark and flash some skin. It's funny you would use caricature to describe Chloe when that's how I see Lois since most of her qualities on the show post S4 center on her physical appearance.

margroks

11-10-2006, 08:32 AM

Chloe has always been the computer/tech savy girl and we have seen Clark doing some of that; it's not true that he never usese the computer to do his own research. In fact, the very first time we saw in as an adult in the pilot, he was doing computer research if you'll recall. He was out trying to save people and even a superhero needs help. If Chloe got out in the field even more there would be complaints about that, too. Chloe is not the plot device some complain about. Everything that happens on a show is to further the plot anyway and to call everything Chloe does a plot device makes it obvious she can do no right in the eyes of some. Chloe and Clark are in a partnership here and they each bring their own individual strengths to the table. That is the same in any relationship.

Rhoda123

11-10-2006, 09:06 AM

Chloe is just THAT good yall.. you should know that by now. :)

ma200

11-10-2006, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
It's funny you would use caricature to describe Chloe when that's how I see Lois since most of her qualities on the show post S4 center on her physical appearance.

Not at all. My point is like in my very first post in this thread. Chloe is no more a crappy character than Lois. They both don't feel "real" as 3-D characters. Your attempts at trying to make Chloe get the upper level over the other does not make Chloe any "better" as a character.

Originally posted by margroks
Chloe has always been the computer/tech savy girl and we have seen Clark doing some of that; it's not true that he never usese the computer to do his own research. In fact, the very first time we saw in as an adult in the pilot, he was doing computer research if you'll recall. He was out trying to save people and even a superhero needs help. If Chloe got out in the field even more there would be complaints about that, too. Chloe is not the plot device some complain about. Everything that happens on a show is to further the plot anyway and to call everything Chloe does a plot device makes it obvious she can do no right in the eyes of some. Chloe and Clark are in a partnership here and they each bring their own individual strengths to the table. That is the same in any relationship.

She was in Reunion for five minutes just to provide plot exposition. More times than not, she's here to be Clark's search engine. Heck, even Chloe complained about that at one point.

jaybyrd28

11-10-2006, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by ma200 Not at all. My point is like in my very first post in this thread. Chloe is no more a crappy character than Lois. They both don't feel "real" as 3-D characters. Your attempts at trying to make Chloe get the upper level over the other does not make Chloe any "better" as a character.

Guess my english isn't working so hot this week.

I was never trying to promote or pass Chloe off as some amazingly deep character. This is TV soap drama after all. At least twice in this thread I acknowledged (and really does anyone watching this show not acknowledge it?) that SV is pretty light on char development and depth.

I even went one step further and pointed out that everyone is pigeonholed somewhat in their roles.

Episodical role isn't the sole factor in character depth though. Personality has a lot to do with it. Character depth and identification is also by nature highly personal and opinionated. Go look at scene dissections and how people view them. Chloe's made the transition from an awkward and shy young girl to a very well developed assertive and mature woman in my eyes.

She's got the tough side, she's got the soft side, and she's got the jealous side. How many more facets are needed for depth? She's had up's, down's, turn-arounds, and side to side. She's also started the show with a goal and has slowly but surely progressed towards those goals.

Lois on the other hand (in my opinion) hasn't moved a bit as far as character growth at best. At worst you can make the case she's gotten worse. I loved Lois in Crusade, Gone, and Facade but she hasn't moved except by rapid lightswitching. Personality wise she's got one mode and that's /attitude on all the time even when she's being cast in a supportive role.

Chloe using a computer (which as I've admitted) gets a little over the top sometime but comparing it to Lois getting turned onto journalism by a barn door is just silly(which was the contention of the OP I quoted). There is litteraly years of precedent for the computer while there is zilch for the journalism and in fact prior outright loathing of it.

It's not even a remote contest in my mind as far as character depth comparison goes with a Chloe vs Lois debate. Personally I would believe the sky was green before I saw any depth to EDLois. But that's my opinion try and change it :) .

Does House do anything but cure sick people in a completely unbelievable fashion? Do the field guys on C.S.I do anything besides inviestigate crime scenes and solve murders in world record time? Of course they do. That's what they are supposed to be doing.

Timester

11-10-2006, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
There is that word again...superhack. Hacking means to break into something that you aren't supposed to have access to. Which she didn't do.

Like the Homeland Security last season? ;)

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Does House do anything but cure sick people in a completely unbelievable fashion? Do the field guys on C.S.I do anything besides inviestigate crime scenes and solve murders in world record time? Of course they do. That's what they are supposed to be doing.

And Chloe is CSI/House all-in-one and is even faster than them. Do you see the ridiculous of that?

I study and work with computers since I was 4 years old (20 years ago) and even I can't do a third that Chloe does, and I'm not counting the joke parts of her hacking.

Chloe is a good character, but the super-hacker part just make me not believe on her character much. It's too plot device-y.

STFanatic

11-10-2006, 12:16 PM

That is why it is "Sci-Fi", it doesn't have to make sense how people do the things they do.
If I lived in Smallville, I would have the largest collection of Kryptonite around. And I would store it in a room with comics stored there and I would hang out in there all day to see if I become "Super". ;)Although with my luck I would become "Paperman" with staples in my folds. :lol:

jaybyrd28

11-10-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Timester
Like the Homeland Security last season? ;)

And Chloe is CSI/House all-in-one and is even faster than them.

I study and work with computers since I was 4 years old (20 years ago) and even I can't do a third that Chloe does, and I'm not counting the joke parts of her hacking.

Who cares if she did hack in that episode? My quote is addressing a line that she's hacking here...which she isn't.

That she could hack Homeland Security is indeed laughable (although I want to say that what happened was Homeland Security required student ID's monitored and the d-base she hacked was the University's which makes it slightly better but not much:) ) .

ms.c.

11-10-2006, 12:45 PM

They use Chloe's tech skills a lot to make the story work out. On a list of all the bad habits the writers have, this is relatively low on my list. Forgetting about characters and past events annoys me much more.

Kal-ed

11-10-2006, 01:10 PM

I dont like the bad writing but what I dislike the most is how this reflects on Clark, I mean its ok for Lois to diss him when he said he´d find Ollie, since she doesnt know his abilities, but the fact that it WAS INDEED CHLOE WHO FOUND OLLIE, or at least a way to find him, makes Lois right and Clark a dumb doofus that really is not dependable, it would have been more canonical if Clark actually found Ollie by himself, since in the comics people are always doubting him and his potencial, only to be surprised, but in this case, Lois was completely right to diss Clark, cause Chloe did figure everythin out, and Clark did not find Ollie, nor would have if Chloe hadnt been around, and well i hate that dependancy and what it does to our main character who is not only suposed to be a superior intellect fro a nother planet but who is in canon an outstanding investigative reporter, but so far we are yet to see any deduction or inverstigating abilities on his side.

ma200

11-10-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Guess my english isn't working so hot this week.

I was never trying to promote or pass Chloe off as some amazingly deep character. This is TV soap drama after all. At least twice in this thread I acknowledged (and really does anyone watching this show not acknowledge it?) that SV is pretty light on char development and depth.

I even went one step further and pointed out that everyone is pigeonholed somewhat in their roles.

Episodical role isn't the sole factor in character depth though. Personality has a lot to do with it. Character depth and identification is also by nature highly personal and opinionated. Go look at scene dissections and how people view them. Chloe's made the transition from an awkward and shy young girl to a very well developed assertive and mature woman in my eyes.

She's got the tough side, she's got the soft side, and she's got the jealous side. How many more facets are needed for depth? She's had up's, down's, turn-arounds, and side to side. She's also started the show with a goal and has slowly but surely progressed towards those goals.

Lois on the other hand (in my opinion) hasn't moved a bit as far as character growth at best. At worst you can make the case she's gotten worse. I loved Lois in Crusade, Gone, and Facade but she hasn't moved except by rapid lightswitching. Personality wise she's got one mode and that's /attitude on all the time even when she's being cast in a supportive role.

Chloe using a computer (which as I've admitted) gets a little over the top sometime but comparing it to Lois getting turned onto journalism by a barn door is just silly(which was the contention of the OP I quoted). There is litteraly years of precedent for the computer while there is zilch for the journalism and in fact prior outright loathing of it.

Does House do anything but cure sick people in a completely unbelievable fashion? Do the field guys on C.S.I do anything besides inviestigate crime scenes and solve murders in world record time? Of course they do. That's what they are supposed to be doing.

I tried to understand Chloe as a character but I don't. There's a reason why ppl call her superChloe and isn't just her superduper hacking skills. It's that, including being grade A student, investigating with Clark,driving back and forth from SV to Metropolis, etc all in the space of one day. That's why I call her a caricature. Caricatures aren't meant to have much of a personality because if there's too much emphasis on the overexaggerated part of a fictional character, it's impossible.

It's not even a remote contest in my mind as far as character depth comparison goes with a Chloe vs Lois debate. Personally I would believe the sky was green before I saw any depth to EDLois. But that's my opinion try and change it :)

Did I even remotely tried? That's not my point. In fact, I given it repeatedly and there's no point in trying anymore. I'm outta here.

chlarkfan333

11-10-2006, 02:00 PM

Seems characters get bashed even when they excel at something. Personally, I would rather SuperChloe than moronic Lois (who, I should state, is changing for the better, faster than any other character), dumb Clark, or whiny Lana. At least Chloe is unbelievable because she's too good.:)

Timester

11-10-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Seems characters get bashed even when they excel at something. Personally, I would rather SuperChloe than moronic Lois (who, I should state, is changing for the better, faster than any other character), dumb Clark, or whiny Lana. At least Chloe is unbelievable because she's too good.:)

Considering that I'm a Clark fan, I do have a major problem seeing Chloe as Clark's brain. Even Spock was more interesting.

chlarkfan333

11-10-2006, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Timester
Considering that I'm a Clark fan, I do have a major problem seeing Chloe as Clark's brain. Even Spock was more interesting.

Aah Spock....gotta love the Vulcan. :D

bigville

11-10-2006, 02:29 PM

chloe is a hacker, she can get into any computer she wants at will, even the CIA's mainframe. Hell, Chloe can even hack computers without an internet connection because shes so good.

ms.c.

11-10-2006, 02:52 PM

Clark was the one who figures out what to do with the information. He figured out what the motive was behind everything. Then Chloe gave him a tip on some other info. They work together as a team. They both contribute.

tjpw fanatic

11-10-2006, 04:20 PM

Chloe has been doing that since day one of the show. She always finds ways to get information that seems like it should be top secret.

umm

11-10-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by ms.c.
Clark was the one who figures out what to do with the information. He figured out what the motive was behind everything. Then Chloe gave him a tip on some other info. They work together as a team. They both contribute.

And they work well together, great even, so I don't understand why lately people get upset when Chloe helps Clark! Even heros need support and help! I mean Angel didn't do everything by himself, he had a whole crew, if anything, that show has shown that not even heros can work succcesfully when they work alone! It's simply too much pressure, it's too big a burden to carry alone! Even for a hero, even for the future Superman, so Clark, and fans, should be happy that he has someone he can turn to!
I mean there is a reason why the Justice League was formed, and it's because Superman couldn't do everything by himself, and there really is no need to! So I say, until we have the Justice League, and until Clark is Superman, he should thank his gods that he has Chloe to turn for help!