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STFanatic

11-09-2006, 08:24 PM

I gave it an eight, (only the pilot earned a full 10) As much as I shivered during the Milonel scene, I actually liked it.:\
I was hoping for a Shelby scene, even if it was just a walk across the yard scene.
The Thanksgiving dinner was very well done, even a reference to Jimmy via text message.
I did think that clark really wanted to go to the loft to bounce his ball against the wall again though, he was noticably alone again.

Just say NO to drugs.
Ollie confessed (IMO) to Clark that he felt inferior to him which is why he was taking the injections.

Is Lois really glactally stupid? She watched GA loading his quiver and couldn't put 2+2 together. I guess the glasses on Clark will work on her after all.

Lois heals rather quick too..hmmm, did Lana give her her secret on healing?

Ya know, would it have been so bad for Chloe to sit near Clark instead of at the other end of the table?

Lex & Lana's dinner.... All I could think of while watching was, "Hey, let the servents sit down and eat!!" :rolleyes:

Overall, I liked it. ;)

D.M.A.

11-09-2006, 08:35 PM

I'd give it a 9 out of 10 it was good,wish there was alil more of clark,seemed to show very lil of everyone except oliver.The dinner at the end at the kents was a good touch,lex and oliver showdown was good.I dont kno I jus thought it could have shown sum more action if oliver was to show he was in raged at times,the only time he stood out was when he was tellin clark to let lex die.He seemed craze then,but overall the episode was good.I was shocked they mention raya in the beginnin suprise cause usually ppl die and we never hear of them again

STFanatic

11-09-2006, 08:39 PM

I may have blinked, did Clark do anything "Super" in this episode besides the X-ray spy bit?

Best Episode - 321

11-09-2006, 08:43 PM

I really liked the ending. The way they showed Clark's life compared to Lex's was great.

I thought it was excellent.
9 out of 10

Kara15

11-09-2006, 08:51 PM

7/10... It was a pretty good episode, but not even close to as good as Fallout, IMO.

Now I have to say that the out of character thing has been overused quite a bit, even if GA is sort of a new person. I think the only type of out of character episode I'd be happy with at this point is another RedK one or a different type of Kryptonite.

Like most of the episodes with GA in them this season, there didn't seem to be enough Clark. :\ Not that I don't love Green Arrow, but I just wish the episodes would revolve less around him.

As happy as I was about the Mionel, I couldn't help but think it was kind of odd that Martha was the one running after Lionel, and Lionel was backing away.

The pregnancy plot with Lana seems strange but I'm interested to see where it will go, with all of the possibilities.

The ending Thanksgiving scene was great! :D

sassy_reporter

11-09-2006, 08:55 PM

LOVED this episode. It was really sweet and loved seeing Oliver taking Clark down in the earlier scene as it's totally true Clark needs to get off his ass. Loved the Lois/Clark interaction, Club Evil at the Luthor mansion (:-) ) and Ollie's whole desire to be like Clark and all the snuggly bits at the end! I liked everything about this episode. It was entertaining, suspenseful, and all the drama was just right. Even liked the Clark/Lana scene and usually they just drive me nuts! Heart! :-D Todd and Darren are my favorite writers on this show!

STFanatic

11-09-2006, 08:57 PM

Wasn't there supposed to be a kiss in this one? Or was it next week.

(I am still suffering at the sight of the cranberry sauce.)

Thil_EL

11-09-2006, 09:13 PM

i give it a 7.. the ending probably pushed it from a 6 to a 7 cuz i wasnt feeling the writing.. and the story itself wasnt that great.. this episdoe would ranks low for season 6 epi just before "wither"

seraphim

11-09-2006, 09:14 PM

It was okay....I'm just not getting into these episodes like I should. I guess I'm just looking forward to more superhero action and fighting and all that good stuff!

The writers are determined to keep Smallville Lana-centric....pregnant, oh well!

Best Episode - 321

11-09-2006, 09:15 PM

Wasn't there supposed to be a kiss in this one? Or was it next week.

I believe its in episode 10, but we can't really talk about it here.

MANOFSTEELKALEL

11-09-2006, 09:36 PM

8/10 from me

If they dont do the ridiculous by having Lionel at the Kent's T'Giving dinner I wouldve given it another point. Everyone at that table has either had Lionel try to kill them or has a strong reason to dislike him. I dont care how "changed" he is.

Charissa70

11-09-2006, 09:41 PM

I think it was to much of a filler episode and I am waiting for Clark to start fulfilling his destiny. Thought Lana was an idiot for not realizing she was pregnant, they were giving us enough hints since last week. Maybe Lana should start watching the show. Maybe Lana is starting to show the effects of all her concussions.
'I have to do something so I don't get pregnant? Huh? (I am sorry, too Brittney Sprears). And, Lex is getting shot too many times too. How come he didn't show that really nasty side effect like Ollie, or was that because that is his normal way?

BadToad

11-09-2006, 09:56 PM

5. I just don't care for GreenArrowVille. Its not why I watch Smallville. Yes, there was a lot of Clark in this one. But I really prefer when the main plot focuses more on him, or secondarily on Lex. I just really don't care about Ollie (and by extension, his relationship with Lois).

I liked some of the Clark stuff, and the ending was very nice with the Kent Turkey Day. The Lex/Ollie stand-off, with Clark saving Lex's life was cool as well.

I haven't really been thrilled about an episode since "Zod", and I'm a big SV proponent.

PKII

11-09-2006, 10:09 PM

It was great. Poor Lana. :lol: She sure looked happy there at the end eating Thanksgiving dinner. :lol:

Plbrock1s

11-09-2006, 10:15 PM

I don't have any complaints about the episode, I did fast forward through the Lex/Lana scenes, but that's all. 8/10

sp-pwner

11-09-2006, 10:32 PM

I loved it, so awesome great smallville show i tell ya great

samuelm7

11-09-2006, 10:41 PM

Shelby was likely the victim of budget cuts at the CW, because he required the constant services of an animal trainer and possibly a certified animal satety representative from the American Humane Association, to monitor his well-being.

With respect to the topic at hand, I especially enjoyed the episode and rated it a "9." The final scene of Lex and Lana eating Thankingsgiving dinner, seated at opposite ends of a long table, aptly conveyed the sang-froid and distance in the current stage of their relationship. Nevertheless, it was a bit blunt and telegraphed, meant to immediately contrast with the feastive and fraternal atmosphere--and the pleasant interaction between the guests--at the Kents' dinner celebration of the holiday.

If memory serves, the 1989 "Batman" movie featured a similiar scene where Vicky Vale and Bruce Wayne eat dinner in Bruce's mansion, also seated like Lex and Lana, at opposite ends of a dining room table. Not only does this illustrate the lifestyle of the rich and famous, but it is meant to convey the difficulty the wealthy have in developing satisying relationships with the opposite sex--and their overall character shortcomings, in general. Didn't Lex profess, in a past episode, that he was indeed aware of his villanous nature and that despite his wealth it was the poor that would inherit the earth and that he regarded the Kents as the "salt of the earth."

I was also pleased that the Green Arrow didn't inject himself with a solution of green meteor rock--the writers of the show have been relying on green Kryptonite far too much.

RMF

11-09-2006, 10:46 PM

I can get only so thrilled about watching an episode about a character doing something obviously stupid. We know it's stupid, his friends know it's stupid, his enemies know it's stupid, and by the end of the episode, he knows it was stupid, which is stupid, because the whole thing was stupid from the beginning.

Okay, I get that Oliver envies Clark's apparent invulnerability, but sinking to these depths is pretty pathetic. The guy has so much money that he doesn't even need to skulk around the city with his bow and arrow, he can do enormous amounts of good with that alone. But he does, and now he takes it one obsessive step further and tries to be bulletproof. Meh. It was funny, in the scene with Oliver getting his rage on at Clark, all I could think was, it's all very well sniping at Clark about using his abilities to bale hay when there's a crime wave sweeping Metropolis, but you know what, Oliver? YOU'RE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY. The farm and whatever salary Martha draws as a state senator is all the Kents have.

And speaking of stupid, that was quite a "take yourself out of the gene pool" moment between Lex and Oliver. I loved the simplicity of how Lex faked out GA with the pen and the hidden Luthor gun, but if these guys don't know going into it that it doesn't matter whether the bullet or the arrow is faster, as long as both are faster than humans, what can I say?

I did like Clark in the scene immediately following the shooting. He was horrified at what was going on, and did articulate his moral position pretty clearly. The ending of the scene was a little disjointed, though, with Clark saying, "You killed him!", Lex sitting up, and Clark and Oliver disappearing from the office all within seconds.

I missed the pregnancy revelation, because an Amber alert flashed on screen. What's with the sharp pains in Lana's head, though? Are all the knockouts finally catching up with her? The earlier scene between Lex and Lana was the usual fingers-on-a-chalkboard stuff, but the scene between Clark and Lana was actually fairly touching. She is obviously in despair, and he is so kind to her, even though she messes it up by throwing him out at the end.

Lionel and Martha in the kitchen. Ew. It can't be helped. Ew. But, the nice thing is that Martha handles it like a grownup and just acknowledges that there is something there, but says up front that she doesn't want it to go anywhere. Lionel also seems to be feeling guilty about whatever he is up to.

The Thanksgiving scene at the end is nice, but kind of heavy-handed. They obviously want to make a contrast between the warmth and happiness of the Kent household and the icy formality of the Luthor mansion, but the looooong table and the footmen are a bit much.

ginnyfan

11-09-2006, 11:05 PM

This episode was so-so. :)

I give it a 7.

MBCorp

11-09-2006, 11:06 PM

Eh, 4 I guess. I didn't really hate it (except for the pregnancy garbage) but it didn't exactly thrill me either, although maybe this is my fault since I've kind of been losing interest in the show recently and even almost forgot to watch it (again) tonight.

supercatmom

11-10-2006, 12:15 AM

I better post while I can because everytime I log off this site and try to log back on I told I'm not a registered member?

I'm liking this season so far. Finally there is some progress towards the future. Lois is becoming a reporter. Clark is moving towards his future superhero life. Lex is becoming more evil.

And as far as I'm concerned Lex and Lana deserve each other.

Yuui

11-10-2006, 12:48 AM

Little Bow Wow, now Batista. It's all about the "C"-list celebrities, aye?

Hmm, tonight's episode? I agree, it felt like filler, as nothing really progressed, other than Lana's pregnancy. And Clark's "Thanksgiving Revelation" felt really unnecessary. The camera work that followed would have been more than enough to convey his feelings of happiness.

Originally posted by supercatmom
I better post while I can because everytime I log off this site and try to log back on I told I'm not a registered member?

This is what happens when someone uses the URL minus 'index.php'. It happens to a few other forums I visit.

URL to use: http://kryptonsite.com/forums/index.php

:)

Crazy4Smallville

11-10-2006, 12:55 AM

Crazy4Smallville's Weekly Review 6:7

What an episode! Not that it had a lot of bells and whistles, but it had a very strong moral fiber backbone that you might have missed unless you looked really close.

I have a feeling that this episode probably won't be on the top of everyone's list, it contained a lot of 'growth' for Clark. While it didn't showcase his 'abilities', it showed what truly makes him 'super' - his heart and his zest for truth, justice and etc.

I.e. - While Oliver is out 'saving the world', he's doing it without the maturity needed to do it right. His heart is in the right place, but his priorities and his maturity level still has a lot of room for growth. Opposite of that you have Clark, who's taking the time to mature, making sure that his path is clearly defined before he steps into the role. I guess it kind of goes along with the old adage about whether a title makes a person or the person makes a title. I personally feel that people should walk in something long before they receive that title or recognition. Here Clark is doing just that - he's being Superman long before he ever receives the acknowledgement. The Green Arrow saw this maturity and greatness in Clark and realized he didn't have it in himself - yet. So, though Clark didn't have a costume and wasn't out 'saving the world', he was still being the hero by doing what was right (not allowing Lex to die, etc.)

Clark also made a major leap when it came to Lana. He was able to control his own emotions when Chloe and Lana met for lunch. He's showing that he's moving beyond her. He also showed it when he busted into the mansion (which I thought he wasn't supposed to do anymore) and displayed his concern for her, not his emotions. He had compassion, but it was with the heart, not the chemistry.

Clark and Lois - I love their banter and I LOVED when she dissed him by pointing out her trust for Chloe's action over his. This is the way it's supposed to be between them - Lois thinking Clark is an incapable of helping anybody, when he's the true hero behind it all. I think they're finally starting to set up the dual identity personality that literally blinds Lois from discovering the truth about Superman. I've always heard that it was Clark' s glasses that kept his identity secret, but it was the persona of Clark being inept that was his true mask.

tonight's episode was about 'love' and how it shaped everyone into who they were. Because of the love that the Kent's poured into Clark his whole life, they helped formed him into the superhero he is and he can't help but pour that love out to everyone around him. For the past few years Clark has fought against his destiny with Jor-El because of who he thought Jor-El to be - a cold, heartless dictator. But, he's beginning to learn just how much love Jor-El had for him, discovering what a great man he was and how he saved Clark because of his love for Clark and for the human race. This lines up with what Clark knows and understands, because it's what his parents have poured into him his whole life. Superman's weakness has always been his 'love' for humanity, not a cold, hard rock.

Opposite of that you have Lana and Lex. Lana lost her parents at a really young age and then was abandoned by her aunt Nell when she was still young and in highschool. She didn't have that firm, solid foundation of love and she has been on a crusade her whole life to find it. It has taken her from one bad relationship to the next. Her relationship didn't work with Clark, not because Clark didn't love her, but because she didn't love herself. I firmly believe that you can't pour love out into another person unless you are first filled with it yourself. Lana desired what Clark had (the love of and for his family and friends), but confused it with desiring Clark.

Lex, whose mother died when he was young and was raised by the cold, calculating Lionel, also doesn't know how to love, yet desired the same of Clark. He desires what Clark has and that has led to his desire for Lana. He can't love, because he doesn't have any love for or in himself.

This was illustrated through the Thanksgiving dinners. At the Kent farm, everything was warm, cozy, close and full of love (even with Lionel Luthor there). When Clark gave his thanksgiving speech, he acknowledged the love that was given to him by his parents as being what formed him into the great man that he was. Everyone at that table (except Lois) knew his secret and knew what a great compliment he paid to his parents. Opposite of that you had Lex and Lana sitting apart from each other at a long, cold, formal table. They were doing the best they could, but you can't do much with what you don't have.

Well, anyway. I had a longer review, but most of it got deleted by accident. I didn't realize it would be so long and so philosophical.

Till next time,
~T.L. Gray

maryjanewatson

11-10-2006, 03:21 AM

I give it a -20. it killed my love for smallville. I will no longer watch the show.

superman2001

11-10-2006, 03:56 AM

i thought The Episode, was terrific i really enjoyed it alot, it was great to see Clark helping Green Arrow, and it was also great to see Green Arrow helping The People who was getting Carjacked, and it was great to see Green Arrow confronting Lex, that was a great scene, i can,t wait to see next weeks Episode, it is going to be the best one yet, i can,t wait to see Martian Manhunter on it, this is the best Season yet.

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-10-2006, 05:55 AM

The one part I hated was Lois ragging on Clark, didn't she say that she wouldbe lucky to end up with someone like Clark?
Hasn't Clark saved her? hasn't she seen him help other people ?
Is she that brain dead ??

superpal1

11-10-2006, 06:30 AM

Loved the episode. I gave it a 7. I would have liked to see more of Clark doing his thing. It seems that every once in a while we get episodes where he doesn't use his powers. What made up for that thought, was Clark actually sounding like Superman in his talking to Oliver about right and wrong. I also gave it a seven instead of an 8 for the apparent dis to Shelby who was absent from Thanksgiving. C'mon where is the Shelby love?

Lightning Flash

11-10-2006, 06:45 AM

Alright, episode... a good filler one tho, tho it built-up GA in a sense. I liked the Chlark & Clois interaction... except for the minor things, this epi was good. Great Thanksgiving episode tho.

STFanatic

11-10-2006, 06:52 AM

It goes to show, without Clark, GA wouldn't have lasted long in his Superhero career.

Saber

11-10-2006, 07:18 AM

I thought it was awful; the show went to new lows. Mionel is just a shameful disrespect to Jonathan’s memory. What’s Martha going to do next week, dance on his grave with Lionel?

The show has a different feel to it this season which is not advancing it forward. It’s focusing on getting more DC character’s on and it's losing focus on Clark. With the introduction of GA the focus is now on the more fit and attractive actor JH. I didn’t think it was called the Green Arrow show; it’s Smallville about the people in the town and the boy growing up in it. I think his name is Clark or according to the show yesterday’s news apparently.

Its one big soap opera now, a lot of flashy costumes, DC name dropping but in the end it’s all fillers with no substance. As bad as season four was, it’s looking better than this season.

RCD

11-10-2006, 07:33 AM

I want to why TPTB had Ollie take his hood/glasses off in Lex's office when it's common knowledge that room has lots of security camera's.

It can catch Clark running out of a fire but not Ollie un masked?

CrazyforLexi

11-10-2006, 07:45 AM

I think there were some good points in this episode--Clark and Lana scene, fantastic. Kristin and Tom have good chemistry.

Clark and Ollie scene, where Ollie admits he wants to be like Clark.

But...

Mionel......noooooo!

And, grievous of all: not enought Lex.

I miss the days when Michael Rosenbaum would steal every scene he's in.

What happened to charismatic Lex? Now he seems wooden. He has a different look too........his face seems chubby. Wonder if this is intentional?

I was a fan of Clex and loved the dynamic between them. Now Ollie has taken Lex's place.

:(

Originally posted by Saber

The show has a different feel to it this season which is not advancing it forward. It’s focusing on getting more DC character’s on and it's losing focus on Clark. With the introduction of GA the focus is now on the more fit and attractive actor JH. I didn’t think it was called the Green Arrow show; it’s Smallville about the people in the town and the boy growing up in it. I think his name is Clark or according to the show yesterday’s news apparently.

I agree it does have a different feel, and not a good one. I thought the whole focus was, the show would end when Clark became Superman and Lex became evil (and not when all the Justice Leaguers finally got together). From the begining, the show revolved around the dynamic between Clark and Lex. In a way, each was responsible for "making" the other. Now suddenly Lex is getting put on the back burner in favor of the Green Arrow and the sudden fixation on the Justice League.

Markd329

11-10-2006, 08:06 AM

I gave the episode an 8. From the sexy beginning [Lois is about to GIVE IT UP!] to the continuity [Martha's mention of Raya], to the choices the characters made throughout the episode [some painful, some logical, some WTF????], and the final Thanksgiving Day scenes combined to make a really good story that advanced and reminded us of who Clark Kent really is.

The relationships are making this season interesting. Clark's relationship with Ollie is like a teacher-student relationship with Ollie pushing Clark to open his mind to the world out there, and to be pro-active instead of reactive.

The Lex-Lana relationship is one of distrust and deceit, and there is no good outcome. Right now, Lana is keeping the pregnancy a secret from Lex, she really do not know what she will do, but that she feels that she is not ready for motherhood. Add to that the fact that she is secretly in cahoots with Lionel [who wants to knock Lex down a few pegs] is another thing that's straining her. This relationship will be going down the drain soon.

The most intriguing situation is Martha and Lionel. Remember, Lionel had had the hots for Martha since she first started to work for him back in season 2 [or 3]. The romantic sparks are there, but both have issues to work out before they can act on them.

Lois is just flitting from guy to guy, and when she will start to get those feelings for Clark [and she will go through hell and high water to deny them] she will have her world rocked like never before.

On and last but not least, When will Clark put on the glasses?

zonofzod

11-10-2006, 09:25 AM

Ocho for me. Solid episode. It's been a good season so far.

JorEl23

11-10-2006, 09:28 AM

I had to give it a solid 8.

The GA/Lois arc was pretty solid despite its darker nature and slight overbearingness.

I could definately do without the "Mionel" but it was delicately handled and John Glover is just out and out awesome anyway.

Clark and specifically Tom are just incredible all season. He has certainly hit his stride as an actor IMO and the focus towards his destiny including the gradual prelude to Clois is very cool!

The sensitive Thanksgiving/Jonathan tributes was a great touch as well!!

Most exciting is the ultimate downfall of Lexana!!!! I was MOST bitter at the mess TPTB made with the end of last season and half of the disaster was the culmination of this ridiculous pairing. I looked forward to this season with much apprehension because I really had no idea how TPTB could fix it. The Zod creation last year too was horrendous. Much as I was pleasantly surprised that the premier was able to wash most of that bad taste out of my mouth, as the season progresses I am extremely pleased how they have handled Lex and Lana's ill fated coupling. Inevitably, Lex is showing more and more of his spots and will suffer the loss of the girl he pined over that had no interest in him ever until he miraculously seduced her. Lana too gets her just desserts as she realizes the stupidity of her choices and imminently has to be forever without the man she really loves ( CK ) because of them. The Clana heavy scene after the realization that she was carrying a baby she didn't want was simply brilliant!!

Honestly, EVERY episode so far this year has been pretty solid and I am very pumped at the direction SV is going now and towards (hopefully) future seasons!!!!!!

Fly by guy

11-10-2006, 09:46 AM

I gave it a 7. I think Tom is excellent this season at showing us how he is feeling inside. His reactions aren't over the top like they could easily be.
Reading other posts I am getting the feeling that Ollie and Lois are the new Clana. Soaps and dopes. Has Lois become the new "slut" on SV. I got so tired of that term for Lana and since it only took a couple of dates for Lois to peel the dress, shouldn't she take the heat.
I think Michael's looking a little chubby cheeked this season and I long for the obvious end of Lexana, sooner rather than later.
Martha might should put her head in the oven with that turkey or take a cold shower. She knows what Lionel is and if she had Clark's x-ray vision she could see Jonathon turning in his grave. I like the M.B. but now playing lovey-dovey stuff.

enamored

11-10-2006, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Saber
I thought it was awful; the show went to new lows. Mionel is just a shameful disrespect to Jonathan’s memory. What’s Martha going to do next week, dance on his grave with Lionel?

The show has a different feel to it this season which is not advancing it forward. It’s focusing on getting more DC character’s on and it's losing focus on Clark. With the introduction of GA the focus is now on the more fit and attractive actor JH. I didn’t think it was called the Green Arrow show; it’s Smallville about the people in the town and the boy growing up in it. I think his name is Clark or according to the show yesterday’s news apparently.

Its one big soap opera now, a lot of flashy costumes, DC name dropping but in the end it’s all fillers with no substance. As bad as season four was, it’s looking better than this season.

I can understand some of your frustration. I think many people want Clark to totally embrace his destiny and become Superman, but remember this is Smallville--not Superman. When Clark becomes Superman the series effectively ends and TPTB are not ready for that. This means that Clarks progression toward his destiny will be protracted further. He'll have the other 4 "Zoners" to take care of, he'll more than likely find out that Lana is pregnant and have to deal with that, he'll need to start his training, he'll have to deal with his mother getting closer to Lionel and the implications involved with that, and I'm sure there will be more evil Lex coming up as well.

I beg to differ with you about the show not progressing, however. I think that although probably much slower than you would like, this season has been almost entirely devoted to pushing Clark in the direction of super hero status. Oliver Queen/GA has been instrumental in making Clark think about what can be done for people. We certainly saw him telling Clark to get out there and do something about the wrongs in the world. Last week, Raya reinforced this with scolding him for not doing his training and telling him what Jor-el would have wanted from him.

I'll agree that the Mionel is creepy but it has been in the works for a while now so it shouldn't come as a surprise. Lionel's had the hots for Martha from when she used work in Metropolis before Clark came along. Martha has always been a bit leery of Lionel but did not have the full on hatred toward him that Jonathan always did. Not only that, but he has "helped" her and Clark (at least as far as she knows of) and has earned a grudging respect from her.

I think that the introduction of the JLA members is definitely a publicity stunt to a great degree but with GA it is serving a greater purpose to light a fire under Clark. Additionally, it seems to be something that many viewers are excited about.

As far as Justin Hartley being a more fit and attractive actor--no way. Yes, he has a nice body that is at this point a bit more defined than Tom Welling's but as to hiim being more attractive, not even close. Justin Hartley, IMO, is merely good looking while Tom is drop dead gorgeous. I think if you took a poll Tom would come away a clear winner.

JorEl23

11-10-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Fly by guy
Has Lois become the new "slut" on SV. I got so tired of that term for Lana and since it only took a couple of dates for Lois to peel the dress, shouldn't she take the heat.

Not really, IMO. As I've gotten older and certainly further from "high school days", I think that having sex sooner than later is pretty much the norm. The reason that Lana maintains the "slut" tag isn't about an adult opting to make the choice to have sex with her boyfriend right away. It's her overall "needy" attitude and most specifically, the fact that she hopped into bed with her exes former bf when she pretty much hated him all along.

cloisinmyheart

11-10-2006, 10:19 AM

very good episode

Saber

11-10-2006, 10:30 AM

Enamored

but with GA it is serving a greater purpose to light a fire under Clark.

If Reckoning didn’t put a bonfire under Clark's ass nothing will. Clark shouldn’t be hand held throughout the hero process; he should have already come to this conclusion by himself.
He shouldn’t be so reluctant about helping people, it’s a no brainier.
The show has taken this course and there is nothing more to be said by this disgruntle fan, I just wish it had the growth from season two that's all. :\

STFanatic

11-10-2006, 10:34 AM

You would think that during his speeding around Metropolis he would see at least one crime in progress, GA has found crime without super senses.

zonofzod

11-10-2006, 10:43 AM

The Mionel accpect of the show was going to bother me, until I read an interview with John about this very issue. This might be kinda spoilerish

From www.supermanhomepage.com 5th page.
"Q: Heaven forbid we hint that Martha Kent might be a bit of a harlot!

Glover: [Laughs] Fie, forsooth, Matt! See, that can't happen, and that's the beauty of the challenge. There are all kinds of clues when Lionel deals with other people that things are not what they seem on the exterior, but for the sake of Martha's integrity as Clark's mother and what she turns out to be in the mythology, everything that happens on the show has to lead up to what is with Superman. You can't make Martha look like she is foolish or a harlot."

Sharkie

11-10-2006, 12:16 PM

meesh

11-10-2006, 12:23 PM

Overall as the series progresses season-to-season the show quality goes down. I give last night an 5 because it's right on line with the mediocraty of the whole season. So predictalbe that Oliver/Arrow will find a way to chemically beat death.

Lana with fainting and headaches... thought maybe it was a tumor! Oooooooooooooh better than that! The drama!

*meesh*

Joekur

11-10-2006, 02:22 PM

Forgive me if I'm repeating something already said - I Haven't read the ENTIRE thread...

But did anyone one else notice at the dinner scene, the ONLY one there that wasn't aware of Clark's secret was Lois? Everyone else present knows, even though not everyone there who knows knows that others know, ya know... (hehe)

Bizzaro1975

11-10-2006, 02:29 PM

I was just wondering when will clark start his training? The last episode made me think he would be visiting the fortress to fin out what he needs to do or what his training is all about.
I Thought rage was a good episode, at times i felt bad for Clark, it seemed even when he meant well he was getting chewed out or was being made to feel like he couldnt hadle things.
Cant wait till next weeks episode.
It would be great to do future apperance with wonder woman, Green Lantern, hawk man or even the Big Bad Apocalypse somehow. Ofcourse Batman would be a given hopefully he will learn something from all of them.

thanks for reading the post :)
Go Clark!

STFanatic

11-10-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Bizzaro1975
I was just wondering when will clark start his training? The last episode made me think he would be visiting the fortress to fin out what he needs to do or what his training is all about.
I Thought rage was a good episode, at times i felt bad for Clark, it seemed even when he meant well he was getting chewed out or was being made to feel like he couldnt hadle things.
Cant wait till next weeks episode.
It would be great to do future apperance with wonder woman, Green Lantern, hawk man or even the Big Bad Apocalypse somehow. Ofcourse Batman would be a given hopefully he will learn something from all of them.

thanks for reading the post :)
Go Clark!

We are all hoping it will happen very soon, if only what Ollie told him would soak through his Super skull.

And Welcome to the boards Bizzaro1975!

BlueNRed2

11-10-2006, 03:39 PM

Other than the ending and the trailer for next week, i felt it was a pretty weak episode..

netlynn

11-10-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by enamored As far as Justin Hartley being a more fit and attractive actor--no way. Yes, he has a nice body that is at this point a bit more defined than Tom Welling's but as to hiim being more attractive, not even close. Justin Hartley, IMO, is merely good looking while Tom is drop dead gorgeous. I think if you took a poll Tom would come away a clear winner.

I have to agree with enamored here. Although Justin Hartley is attactive, he's doesn't hold a candle when it comes to Tom! I'd vote in that poll!!

enamored

11-10-2006, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Saber
Enamored

If Reckoning didn’t put a bonfire under Clark's ass nothing will. Clark shouldn’t be hand held throughout the hero process; he should have already come to this conclusion by himself.
He shouldn’t be so reluctant about helping people, it’s a no brainier.
The show has taken this course and there is nothing more to be said by this disgruntle fan, I just wish it had the growth from season two that's all. :\

Well, I'll agree with you there, it certainly should have put a bonfire under Clark. Instead it sent him into a tailspin of despair which is a quite natural grieving reaction. Additionally, because of the ambiguous nature of Jor-el as written by TPTB, Clark had no inclination to turn that direction for comfort or guidance. However, the GA and Raya have given Clark the impetus to think beyond himself and even if this isn't the way some would have liked to see Clark come to see the light, it is what it is and it is progress.

Imzadia

11-10-2006, 05:32 PM

"RAGE" has earned a very high position among my Favorite episodes from all seasons. It may be just my own opinion or personal tastes about what I like about Smallville, but that's why we have these 'places' to visit and voice our TV viewing experiences. Yeah! for the writers of this eipsode. I feel sorry for all of the SFX junkies who were disappointed that Clark only displayed a smidgen of physical 'SuperStuff' in "Rage". RAGE had a lot of SuperStuff going on between the connections made with the main characters. It was great the way there was a theme of 'family', and I'm sure, it was based in the 'Thanksgiving' holiday spirit. Family and friendship Support Systems were highlighted. The new and growing friendship between Clark & Oliver had a dynamic pace. It was so in-step for Oliver to tell Clark about his lack of picking up the torch in crimefighting just because it's needed...as opposed to having to be connected with someone Clark knows and wants to protect. The Thanksgiving scene with Clark and his 'loved' ones was touching and it was comforting to see him appreciate what he has regardless of being so 'different'. The scene between Lex & Lana at the end amplified their lonliness and separation with that huge, long table between them. It was sad. ...But, I LOVED "RAGE"!!

Originally posted by Joekur
Forgive me if I'm repeating something already said - I Haven't read the ENTIRE thread...

But did anyone one else notice at the dinner scene, the ONLY one there that wasn't aware of Clark's secret was Lois? Everyone else present knows, even though not everyone there who knows knows that others know, ya know... (hehe)

I haven't read all of the threads, yet, either. I just wanted to say how I felt before so much else would be said...
I see that you 'Notice' things :D Well, I do, too. YES, I thought of the same thing that you did about those present with him at the dinner table who KNEW about his Secret. I thought that Lois should also be included since she and Clark are almost like brother & sister now. The original Mythos has been changed so much, I can't see how it would hurt any. I'm just tired of all of the condecending remarks she throws into Clark's face everytime he offers to do something for her. I can't beleive she's supposed to keep playing like she thinks so little of him and what he's capable of accomplishing even if he was just a normal guy. It's so insulting and even disrespectful at times.

I also noticed that the shirt Oliver wore to the Thanksgiving dinner is the same shirt that Tom wears in the Opening Credits. I was happy to see Clark had on a new shirt and not the same blue one from the Museum field trip, Commencement, Lex's wedding rehearsal dinner, as Lionel's chosen attire in "Transference" , and any other time Clark had to 'dress up'. They do save on wardrobe wherever they can. I was also happy to see that Clark had a fresh hair trim. He'd grown so much hair that it was looking scruffy with them trying to slick it back and pack it down. Another wardrobe gripe...After six years it's time to change Clark's somewhat. I know they really stocked up on the plaid shirts and tee shirts with Clark's 'colors', but it time to change the plaids or something, and add some different types of jackets or something. You guys out there may not care, but how about you gals?

superman_115

11-10-2006, 09:51 PM

Yes, I have said it and I know some of you are probably thinking the same thing.

This whole Lana getting pregnant thing is so stupid. It shows they are running out of idea's on this show.

Besides, when did Smallville turn into Green Arrow featuring Clark Kent. Sure, they want the Justice League in there, but come on.

And to point one thing out, I am not happy with TPTB. I hate how they are using Smallville as a platform to jumpstart a new series since they couldn't get Aquaman. I wonder what is next, Green Arrow since he shows up more than Clark on the show now or Justice League series.

One of the two I am sure they are working on, but lets face it. Smallville is jumping the shark right now and I am not happy with the direction and the whole pregnancy thing is bothering me.

Now, before some of you say I am just totally bashing the show, I will admit, I love Smallville, however, everyone has their opinion on what they don't like and this is what troubles me.

We know the show is near the end, but don't fall flat on storylines and plots. I just feel it is being rushed. Maybe I am wrong, but every week I watch each new episode, I just feel like a lot is missing that could improve it overall.

That is my take on things, so what is everyone else's opinion?

samuelm7

11-10-2006, 10:28 PM

Interesting article:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-spinoffs-howto-gough10nov10,1,4607470.htmlstory?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo

STFanatic

11-10-2006, 11:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by samuelm7
[B]Interesting article:

Oh wow, we are a cult!

OK, I now know how the series ends, so I can just wait for the DVDs.

Not!

Thanks for that link!
:cool:

Lobby4Chloe

11-11-2006, 07:39 AM

I have to say, I have been giving Smallville the benefit of the doubt for the past 2+ years. This week's episode really reinforced with me why I love the show so much. I think this was the BEST episode in ages. I absolutely loved it. I hope they keep going. I thought the scenes were really well acted. It was a great balance between emphasis on what was going on with the characters emotionally and special effects (I loved that scene with Ollie and Lex blowing themselves to the ground!). Also, might I add that I am loving this Justin Hartley guy. He is HOT. TW and MR have not really ever done that much for me, they're both good looking and whatnot, but I am becoming a slave to seeing JH every week! Oh - and I love being shocked out of nowhere, i.e. Lana's news.

'Rage' is tops on my list for one of the best episodes too. I haven't had very many favorites since the first three seasons.

Eeeeeeeeeeeee...happy again with Smallville.

I also noticed that the shirt Oliver wore to the Thanksgiving dinner is the same shirt that Tom wears in the Opening Credits. I was happy to see Clark had on a new shirt and not the same blue one from the Museum field trip, Commencement, Lex's wedding rehearsal dinner, as Lionel's chosen attire in "Transference" , and any other time Clark had to 'dress up'. They do save on wardrobe wherever they can. I was also happy to see that Clark had a fresh hair trim. He'd grown so much hair that it was looking scruffy with them trying to slick it back and pack it down. Another wardrobe gripe...After six years it's time to change Clark's somewhat. I know they really stocked up on the plaid shirts and tee shirts with Clark's 'colors', but it time to change the plaids or something, and add some different types of jackets or something. You guys out there may not care, but how about you gals? [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't know that they really try to save all that much on clothes on the show. Just look at all the outfits the girls wear. Also, they have like a thousand 'Clark' jackets. Maybe they haven't run out yet. I loved Lois' dress at the beginning. And I'm loving this vintage look they got going with Chloe and Lana.

As for Clark's look. He's still a farmer, so I would assume Clark's character doesn't own that many dressy clothes. He doesn't need them most of the time. I agree though, they need to keep TW's hair cleancut for the character although, away from Smallville, I like his hair the way he does it, kind of longer and more slick. As much as I would like to see Clark in different clothes, in the end, if it's not right for the character, it's just not right. My biggest gripe? I would like to see him start wearing glasses....just because Lois is around. I find it strange that they haven't adjusted him somewhat since she's come on the show in that respect.

And here's my biggest gripe about wardrobe. I always associate Lois as being in purple (like in the comics). It's like her color. Clark has red and blue, Lois has purple. Why does she have to match him most of the time just because we know one day they'll end up together? Lois, is her own super-gal in her own right. Her super-color is purple. I'd like to think that's part of the reason Clark falls for her because she's headstrong and she wears her own damn color. [vent, sorry]. OK. Got that off my chest. I don't think they give her enough equality with him on the show in that sense.

ONE MORE VENT: How many times has Lex told Clark he can't just barge into the mansion anymore? It's been years since they've been on good terms and Clark's still doing it. What's the deal?

ISUZU

11-11-2006, 09:25 AM

I liked this episode why ?

Because Clark was the hero like he should be in such episodes. I would give it an 8/10.

chlarkfan333

11-11-2006, 10:20 AM

This was the weakest episode to date, IMO. In fact, I liked it so little, I don't think it's worth my time to say anything more about it (not that anybody cares anyway:lol: ).

kickarse

11-11-2006, 12:23 PM

The best acting of the season so far was from Martha Kent and Lionel Luthor. When they were both in the house...

enamored

11-11-2006, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Lobby4Chloe
Also, might I add that I am loving this Justin Hartley guy. He is HOT. TW and MR have not really ever done that much for me, they're both good looking and whatnot, but I am becoming a slave to seeing JH every week!

You must prefer blonds then--which of course some people do. He's pretty nice looking but I'm a sucker for the dark hair, light eyes combination that you find in TW.

Right now, my favorite thing about JH/GA is that he is making Clark see his abilities in a different way. If GA can do what he does using mere skills, imagine what Clark can do with his abilities and invincibility.

LindaMac

11-11-2006, 02:19 PM

Oh Tom Welling yum, yum. Specially when he's dressed in anything other than plaid. JH is a 8 and TW is a 10. I just think he is the most beautiful man on the planet. I loved Rage. My only wish is they would have found a way to use super breath. They introduce and then nothing. They do seem to be a little light lately on the special effects, though.

lanakk1

11-11-2006, 02:36 PM

argurably the best episode of this season yet.

Naman is 1#

11-11-2006, 04:37 PM

Much better than "Fallout". I gave it a 9 the highest ranking this season for me along with "Arrow"which I also gave a 9.

clanaalltheway

11-11-2006, 05:50 PM

I gave it 8 out of 10. I loved the episode but the lana parts brought it down.

Imzadia

11-12-2006, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by Lobby4Chloe
I have to say, I have been giving Smallville the benefit of the doubt for the past 2+ years. This week's episode really reinforced with me why I love the show so much. I think this was the BEST episode in ages. I absolutely loved it. I hope they keep going. I thought the scenes were really well acted. It was a great balance between emphasis on what was going on with the characters emotionally and special effects (I loved that scene with Ollie and Lex blowing themselves to the ground!). Also, might I add that I am loving this Justin Hartley guy. He is HOT. TW and MR have not really ever done that much for me, they're both good looking and whatnot, but I am becoming a slave to seeing JH every week! Oh - and I love being shocked out of nowhere, i.e. Lana's news.

'Rage' is tops on my list for one of the best episodes too. I haven't had very many favorites since the first three seasons.

Eeeeeeeeeeeee...happy again with Smallville.

I also noticed that the shirt Oliver wore to the Thanksgiving dinner is the same shirt that Tom wears in the Opening Credits. I was happy to see Clark had on a new shirt and not the same blue one from the Museum field trip, Commencement, Lex's wedding rehearsal dinner, as Lionel's chosen attire in "Transference" , and any other time Clark had to 'dress up'. They do save on wardrobe wherever they can. I was also happy to see that Clark had a fresh hair trim. He'd grown so much hair that it was looking scruffy with them trying to slick it back and pack it down. Another wardrobe gripe...After six years it's time to change Clark's somewhat. I know they really stocked up on the plaid shirts and tee shirts with Clark's 'colors', but it time to change the plaids or something, and add some different types of jackets or something. You guys out there may not care, but how about you gals?

I don't know that they really try to save all that much on clothes on the show. Just look at all the outfits the girls wear. Also, they have like a thousand 'Clark' jackets. Maybe they haven't run out yet. I loved Lois' dress at the beginning. And I'm loving this vintage look they got going with Chloe and Lana.

I love all of the girl's wardrobes, especially Chloe's, but it's only Clark's that bothers me. I saw that behind the scenes film about the importance of Clark wearing Superman's 'colors'. too. I think that only Clark's wardrobe bothers me because he destroys so many shirts and jackets, but he replaces them with identical items. I'm just tired of the same plaids. I know they have hundreds of the same tee shirts and dyed jackets, but those same five plaid shirts with identical patterns keep coming back. He is still a modest farmer, but variety wards off boredom. As for his hairstyle, I realize that it's necessary to keep that youthful illusion. Tom has beautiful, very thick hair and off-screen he wears a very becoming style. However, to maintain that teenage look with the bangs for the series is harder to do when his hair is longer. When he wears it off of his forehead, he looks more mature; more his true age.

As for Clark's look. He's still a farmer, so I would assume Clark's character doesn't own that many dressy clothes. He doesn't need them most of the time. I agree though, they need to keep TW's hair cleancut for the character although, away from Smallville, I like his hair the way he does it, kind of longer and more slick. As much as I would like to see Clark in different clothes, in the end, if it's not right for the character, it's just not right. My biggest gripe? I would like to see him start wearing glasses....just because Lois is around. I find it strange that they haven't adjusted him somewhat since she's come on the show in that respect.

I agree about Clark wearing the glasses. He was so cute when he wore them when he was blinded. I thought that was how they were going to bring in the 'glasses thing' for Clark Kent's future so-called disguise.

And here's my biggest gripe about wardrobe. I always associate Lois as being in purple (like in the comics). It's like her color. Clark has red and blue, Lois has purple. Why does she have to match him most of the time just because we know one day they'll end up together? Lois, is her own super-gal in her own right. Her super-color is purple. I'd like to think that's part of the reason Clark falls for her because she's headstrong and she wears her own damn color. [vent, sorry]. OK. Got that off my chest. I don't think they give her enough equality with him on the show in that sense.

ONE MORE VENT: How many times has Lex told Clark he can't just barge into the mansion anymore? It's been years since they've been on good terms and Clark's still doing it. What's the deal?

[/B][/QUOTE] It seems that we two are the only ones dancing a happy jig for all of the yumminess in "Rage". :\ :rotfl:

monpoirier

11-12-2006, 06:51 AM

You're right. I actually don't mind the green arrow but I think Lana being pregnant is the worst worst worst worst idea in TV history.

MasterJonSt

11-12-2006, 07:14 AM

Ditto, I like the GA story but the Lana one is utter trash.

jimmyolsenblues

11-12-2006, 07:28 AM

I disagree that it has jumped the shark.
I know a lot of the smaller characters get too much screen time other then clark.
But that Thanksgiving speech was pure Superman Mythology Gold.
I mean have we ever thought about clark during the first thanksgiving without Jonathan Kent?
I loved that scene. I loved last week about Accepting his destiny and the fortress comes back.

shuyin131

11-12-2006, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I disagree that it has jumped the shark.
I know a lot of the smaller characters get too much screen time other then clark.
But that Thanksgiving speech was pure Superman Mythology Gold.
I mean have we ever thought about clark during the first thanksgiving without Jonathan Kent?
I loved that scene. I loved last week about Accepting his destiny and the fortress comes back.

The main storyline and main plot scenes and episodes will always be good but there eventually comes a time in EVERY TV show, that it just can't be sustained anymore like how it used to. Plots and characters eventually get used up and the show just becomes utter trash.

Smallville is definitely on the road out, and Lana being pregnant just confirmed it for me. They lacked so many ideas, that they had to use a soap opera plot device, and not only that, but if it turns out that fans aren't accepting of this or its turnout, then that means they will have to resort to ANOTHER soap opera plot device to kill it.

Kreukie

11-12-2006, 09:11 AM

Lana being pregnant with the bad guys baby is something you would expect to see on Passions... wait, actually... THAT DID HAPPEN!

With Theresa!

Maybe Green Arrow gave TPTB some pointers with storylines he learned from his last job he had before working with them!

It all makes sense now!

shuyin131

11-12-2006, 09:26 AM

And here's my biggest gripe about wardrobe. I always associate Lois as being in purple (like in the comics). It's like her color. Clark has red and blue, Lois has purple. Why does she have to match him most of the time just because we know one day they'll end up together? Lois, is her own super-gal in her own right. Her super-color is purple. I'd like to think that's part of the reason Clark falls for her because she's headstrong and she wears her own damn color. [vent, sorry]. OK. Got that off my chest. I don't think they give her enough equality with him on the show in that sense.

She was in purple for Rage :D

shuyin131

11-12-2006, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Kreukie
Lana being pregnant with the bad guys baby is something you would expect to see on Passions... wait, actually... THAT DID HAPPEN!

With Theresa!

Maybe Green Arrow gave TPTB some pointers with storylines he learned from his last job he had before working with them!

It all makes sense now!

laugh my ass off. You know, in a strange strange way it does make sense

I saw it sort of a trend. They ripped off Saw, then they're using soaps with soap-style written resolutions, it can only go downhill from here.

Oh, I forgot to mention they did another druggie episode, out of HOW MANY drug episodes they have done???

most characters have had to have done one type of drug in some episode........

Kreukie

11-12-2006, 09:47 AM

Here's the root of the problem with Smallville:

"Every year with a series you are always trying to find new ways to answer the question, 'Why am I going to watch the show this year?' -- not only for the viewers but for yourself too". -- Al Gough

It's nice that Al puts himself before the people who allow him to still have his job!

So Al Gough is a fan of Passions and this new guy who plays Green Arrow, who was again on Passions.

Again, makes too much sense.

This season isn't what the viewers want to see it's what the viewers want to see after Al Gough gets what he wants from the series.

This is, a lot of Fox from Passion (he’s hot and sexy) and Lana being knocked up by Lex.

I always thought viewers come first with creditors of TV series, I guess not with Smallville.

artemis_x

11-12-2006, 11:08 AM

I really really enjoyed the episode- I thought it was the best one of the season!! I like it when even super heroes fall off the path and make bad choices- it makes them more relatable. Martha and LL really gross me out though. It is waaaay too soo after Jonathan's death, and LL is super creepy!!

enamored

11-12-2006, 11:49 AM

I'm not a huge fan of Mionel either but I think we're jumping the gun here. Yes, there was a rather creepy moment but later in the show Martha basically told Lionel that she's not ready for anything yet.

xrayvision

11-12-2006, 12:32 PM

There is still so much they could do instead of this garbage. All they have to do is go back to their past episodes and close the gaps. I sent a list of ideas to a Smallville address including one where they should have Lana find Clark's secret before the winter break of season 6 and then start the downfall of Lexana during the 2nd half of this season. With Lana knowing about Clark, it would have made things very interesting. I also told them that as Lex realizes he is losing Lana, he should force her to stay with him by blackmailing her with evidence he kept of Genevieve Teague's murder just in case he needed it. That would have provided much better stories with Lana than this baby arc. It would also set up a Chloe-Lex war with Chloe trying to find something she could counter blackmail Lex with, which would be evidence of Lex's involvement in the coverup of Bridgette Crosby. Just think of how interesting this season would be with all that going on. Meanwhile, I told them to have a Clark-Kal-El war throughout the season (no GA would be needed) so that Clark can finally do his training as he battles against his more powerful half. Pete could have also returned as Lex's advisor who kept a close eye on Lex for the Kents as he worked to dethrone Martha of her state senate seat. This is what my season 6 would have been. It would still have been Smallville starring Clark Kent (not starring the GA and guest starring Clark Kent as it is now). It would have left out all these garbage soap opera arcs. If Al/Miles wanted to do that, then why not have a daytime spinoff featuring the same characters called Smutville.

vyperman7

11-12-2006, 12:48 PM

I have to say that I was not a big fan of this episode. The writers seem to forget that the show is supposed to focus on Clark. Developing him should be their NUMBER ONE priority. We have to believe that this version of Clark will become Superman one day when the show ends. How are we supposed to do that, if they spend their time on GA, Lana getting pregnant, the Lexana ship in general, etc.. I can't say that I have been a big fan of S6 thus far. It has had a few good episodes, but nothing spectacular. I think it is the move to the CW in general. All the shows I love on CW - Smallville, Veronica Mars, and Supernatural just haven't been up to their usual standard since the move.

While the GA is definately much more interesting than Aquaman for example, I still feel that he should not even be on the show in the first place. I am sick of them taking so many things from Clark's future and sticking it in his present.

I also DETEST the Mionel ship. Don't like it all. I think it is terrible that you show any romantic chemistry between Lionel and Martha at all. Martha should be a widow for the rest of her life, with how much she loved Johnathan in my opinion, and I want the old MB back. Not this reformed, apologetic, whipped character. Now there is no telling whether or not it is just an act on Lionel's part. If it came off that way in the end, great. But until then, I want the MB back. I never thought I would see the day when Martha was practically kissing Lionel, and he was having Thanksgiving with the Kents. All is not right with the world.

Lana pregnant? What the hell is that? Just when I thought things could not get any worse, they pull that. What is with the need to make Lana such an important character? She was Clark's highschool love interest, and his eventual friend and confidant. Not part of the mythology and not an expecting mother to be of LL's kid. Just ridiculous. The preview for next week "The last five minutes will leave you breathless". I don't read spoilers, but anyone can see that it will involve Lex popping the question.

It is simple - focus less on the GA and the Lexana ship, and get back to expanding on Clark and Lex. Show us why Clark will become a hero, and why Lex will become a villain. That is what the majority of the viewers want to see. Not Lana pregant, not Martha/Lionel, and not the main character of the show getting less screentime than a guest star.

* Also, was their any point whatsoever in introducing superbreath? If Clark doesn't use it again all season, I wouldn't be a bit suprised.

OK rant over.

coasterprincess

11-12-2006, 02:02 PM

This episode was not bad. (gave it a 7) While Clark hasn't been getting all the screentime I would personally like, he's maturing and I'm starting to see more and more traces of Superman showing through.
My one big theory is that the whole GA arc is mostly for the purpose of giving him that push. First it was a "there's a whole world worth saving" difference of opinions bit, and now it's clear that GA is seeing Clark's potential as a leader and is starting to generally defer to that (ala justice league)
I will never to the day I die understand Lexana...but I'm hoping this baby thing is the start of the end for them (or at least the focus on them)...sure let him pop the question...don't care what the answer is...just let it go storyline-wise. The one nice bit with having them around was for a comparison for the kind of Thanksgiving dinners....just one of many reasons why most peole would rather be a Kent than a Luthor (the settings/camera angle/ bigpicture stuff was good with those scenes back to back)

Sweetie

11-12-2006, 07:35 PM

I gave it 7.I loved the clois's scenes.Justin Hartley looked so hot:p I don't like mionel's ship.I can't beleive Martha...How many times did she tell Clark to be carefull in his relationships???This is the man who threated her family all this years now,she's ready to jump in his arms :o

F-Stop Blues

11-12-2006, 08:56 PM

I had no problem with this episode, I happen to like GA alot so that probably has something to do with it. I dont like Lana's storyline especially since now it is impacting Lex directly. At least in the years past Lana wasnt directly interacting with Lex but now nearly all of her scenes are with him. I just think its become obvious that Lana is so unimportant that to make her interesting tptb have to give her a dramatic storyline. They did this in season 4 with the witch and season 5 with the ship and Lex.

President_Luthor

11-12-2006, 09:14 PM

Hmm, what to make of this episode ...

Yet another Lex-fueled conspiracy that Clark and Chloe had to unravel -- but all designed to provide Clark with a reason to dole out some advice to Ollie, instead of the other way around.

Who'd have thought that Ollie was green with envy (yes, a cheesy pun -- sorry)? He couldn't possibly be jealous of Clark's intellect, but O, how the Plaid One can stop bullets. Ollie wanted to get an edge and resorted to performance-enhancing substances to do just that.

The Oliver Queen of legend was the hothead, take-the-bull-by-the-horns kind of guy and his drug-fueled rebuke of Clark would actually be just the thing Ollie would say ie telling him to get off his a$$ (thanks, Ollie, it's time someone told him that!). Clark IS obsessing about keeping his secret identity -- when he could be using his powers to do something to help his adopted homeworld. His procrastination has come home to roost. Of course, if Ollie's that insecure about his mortality then maybe investing in a kevlar hoodie might have been the way to go instead of superhero-roids.

Clark was doing his smug, your-business-is-mine poking around ... first with Lana, trying to figure out what's wrong with her, and Lana told him off. What is up with the guy -- especially since it really had nothing to do with him. Why should she tell him anything? Then, Clark had to grill Chloe (subtly) trying to find out what's up with Lana. Chloe wisely kept mum, keeping Lana's confidence. Yes, Clark, mind your kryptonian business. JK raised one sanctimonious son-of-a-kryptonian.

Naturally, no one learns that it's all the lying that mucked things up ... and they're still doing it. How well is Lois going to take it when she finds out Clark knew all this time that Ollie's been doing the urban vigilante act?

And how about that Mionel? I realize some fans want Martha to be in a long period of mourning. They may even be realistic. But this is Smallville -- where Gabe Sullivan's lonely Thanksgiving dinner plays second fiddle to the feast at the Kent farm (tsk, tsk Lois and Chloe :lol:), not to mention Grandpa's missing invite ;). If Martha were to lurk around in black for the next two years, they may as well send her off to Topeka to debate Kansas highway tolls and join Gabe, Lucas, Henry and the rest in Oblivionville. Lionel's been angling for Martha since he offered her that job with LuthorCorp. way back when. With Lex facing parental issues of his own, at least one Luthor's keeping up the family's reputation.

I think the baby (assuming she a-keeps it b-stays in town c-her or her baby don't get kidnapped by Teague loyalist avenging the family's death) will seal her fate. She'll be the gal left behind in Smallville -- the fate I would be expecting. She's the one who won't be able to move away, because her whole life has been defined by all that has happened, from the first meteor shower on.

Raya had to drop-kick him to face and accept his destiny. He has a mission. Assuming he has the will to see it through -- and continues to listen to Ollie, who is justifiably impatient over Clark's fence-sitting inertia -- he just might be taking his baby steps towards his destiny.

Lex died in this episode. Ollie wanted Clark to let it happen. Clark, in a profound moment of selfless heroism, chose to resurrect the man who'll become his greatest enemy. I think Lex would have inherited Clark's slow-wittedness if he -still- doesn't recognize Ollie as the Green Arrow, since he spent all that time talking to him and looking at him (despite Ollie's shades).

Ollie's off the drugs, which is good. He's got to keep his sanity -- or Clark will drop his newfound pro-active attitude and emerging smarts like a bad memory. If Chloe is Clark's brain, Ollie is Clark's will to persevere. Keep healthy, Ollie!

Clark, would ya mind your own business (hello, Lana is your ex?!?), then call Gramps and wish him a Happy Thanksgiving?!

Geez Louise, does everyone in this town have amnesia? Call your freakin' absentee relatives and wish 'em all a happy holiday :rotfl:

supergirl28

11-13-2006, 08:42 AM

loved it! the ending was shoking.

Ares

11-15-2006, 12:54 PM

It was good. It wasnt really an 8 but 7 fits it best. Hopefully tomorrows episode is great

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-15-2006, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by President_Luthor
Hmm, what to make of this episode ...

Yet another Lex-fueled conspiracy that Clark and Chloe had to unravel -- but all designed to provide Clark with a reason to dole out some advice to Ollie, instead of the other way around.

Who'd have thought that Ollie was green with envy (yes, a cheesy pun -- sorry)? He couldn't possibly be jealous of Clark's intellect, but O, how the Plaid One can stop bullets. Ollie wanted to get an edge and resorted to performance-enhancing substances to do just that.

The Oliver Queen of legend was the hothead, take-the-bull-by-the-horns kind of guy and his drug-fueled rebuke of Clark would actually be just the thing Ollie would say ie telling him to get off his a$$ (thanks, Ollie, it's time someone told him that!). Clark IS obsessing about keeping his secret identity -- when he could be using his powers to do something to help his adopted homeworld. His procrastination has come home to roost. Of course, if Ollie's that insecure about his mortality then maybe investing in a kevlar hoodie might have been the way to go instead of superhero-roids.

Clark was doing his smug, your-business-is-mine poking around ... first with Lana, trying to figure out what's wrong with her, and Lana told him off. What is up with the guy -- especially since it really had nothing to do with him. Why should she tell him anything? Then, Clark had to grill Chloe (subtly) trying to find out what's up with Lana. Chloe wisely kept mum, keeping Lana's confidence. Yes, Clark, mind your kryptonian business. JK raised one sanctimonious son-of-a-kryptonian.

Naturally, no one learns that it's all the lying that mucked things up ... and they're still doing it. How well is Lois going to take it when she finds out Clark knew all this time that Ollie's been doing the urban vigilante act?

And how about that Mionel? I realize some fans want Martha to be in a long period of mourning. They may even be realistic. But this is Smallville -- where Gabe Sullivan's lonely Thanksgiving dinner plays second fiddle to the feast at the Kent farm (tsk, tsk Lois and Chloe :lol:), not to mention Grandpa's missing invite ;). If Martha were to lurk around in black for the next two years, they may as well send her off to Topeka to debate Kansas highway tolls and join Gabe, Lucas, Henry and the rest in Oblivionville. Lionel's been angling for Martha since he offered her that job with LuthorCorp. way back when. With Lex facing parental issues of his own, at least one Luthor's keeping up the family's reputation.

I think the baby (assuming she a-keeps it b-stays in town c-her or her baby don't get kidnapped by Teague loyalist avenging the family's death) will seal her fate. She'll be the gal left behind in Smallville -- the fate I would be expecting. She's the one who won't be able to move away, because her whole life has been defined by all that has happened, from the first meteor shower on.

Raya had to drop-kick him to face and accept his destiny. He has a mission. Assuming he has the will to see it through -- and continues to listen to Ollie, who is justifiably impatient over Clark's fence-sitting inertia -- he just might be taking his baby steps towards his destiny.

Lex died in this episode. Ollie wanted Clark to let it happen. Clark, in a profound moment of selfless heroism, chose to resurrect the man who'll become his greatest enemy. I think Lex would have inherited Clark's slow-wittedness if he -still- doesn't recognize Ollie as the Green Arrow, since he spent all that time talking to him and looking at him (despite Ollie's shades).

Ollie's off the drugs, which is good. He's got to keep his sanity -- or Clark will drop his newfound pro-active attitude and emerging smarts like a bad memory. If Chloe is Clark's brain, Ollie is Clark's will to persevere. Keep healthy, Ollie!

Clark, would ya mind your own business (hello, Lana is your ex?!?), then call Gramps and wish him a Happy Thanksgiving?!

Geez Louise, does everyone in this town have amnesia? Call your freakin' absentee relatives and wish 'em all a happy holiday :rotfl:

So you want Clark to be proactive AND mind his own business.
Now, THAT is a trick !

President_Luthor

11-16-2006, 12:36 PM

He's been proactive -- in running from his destiny, or denying it, or setting it aside for other "priorities" (ie his priorities), as well as his usual meddling in others affairs (whether or not it's asked for). If he did 'heroic' things over the past few years, it's usually because his hand was forced or circumstances left him with no other option.

If it weren't for Raya and Ollie, we'd have Clark spending more time participating in the leviathan that is Clexana, the mother of all love triangles.

He's got his anvil awakening thanks to Raya this season, at least. And Ollie -justly- told him that he needs to get off his a$$. This is the first season we've seen Clark acknowledge that he's got to step it up and stop running away from fate. Let's see him become more proactive on his destiny and take more initiative on his own.

disciples of zod

02-19-2007, 06:24 PM

10! 10! 10! AWESOME EPISODE! AND OLLIE IS A BABE!!!!!!!!!!

Minela

06-29-2007, 10:00 PM

I liked it, it had a lot to offer. Esspecially since we see both Lois and Ollie push Clark towards his desteny. Where es Lana is holding him back chained to Smallville.

And please don't bombard me with "Oh, Lana said nothing to him of that sort, or she did nothing to him blah, blah, blah" I meand it only in the symbolic sense.

I also liked that little Clois moment where Clark said, "If you are meant to be with him, who am I to stand in the way?"

Priceless.

Nimkong

03-01-2010, 05:41 PM

Eh it was ok not the best oliver episode.Liked the plot,the lana suspence had me goin and the ending was somewhat sad

SGuthrie27

09-11-2010, 06:56 PM

This episode did a fair bit to flesh out Oliver's character, so in that sense, it was fairly good. He was pretty scary when he was in a rage like he was, but I found it surprising that Clark was so quick to think that he could have possibly been responsible for Pamela Black's death. Still, he DID try to kill Lex (who, admittedly, was about to shoot him -- and did), so it revealed pretty early on that he does have a bit of a temper and a dark side to him that occasionally takes over (as it did again in "Requiem" two seasons later). But he had a nice redemption by episode's end, and a pretty touching reunion with Lois. The Thanksgiving scene was one of my favorite moments in Season 6, probably, though I think it reiterated to Clark just how alone he really was at that point. It was cool how they juxtaposed the Kent Home Thanksgiving with the Lexana one, I have to admit. Lana's "I'm pregnant" storyline... eh... It's all right with me. Better than being possessed by a 16th century witch, anyway. :lol: The Martha/Lionel elements were... hmm... I'm not sure how I feel about them. I mean, it was less than a year since Jonathan's death. I'm glad that Martha said that she wasn't ready to find out what was between her and Lionel, but I found it odd that she was already recognizing that something was there (even if, ultimately, nothing ever came of it). Their friendship is pretty enjoyable to watch, though. So, I guess I'll give this episode 8 healing hypodermics out of 10 for not making me TOO enraged. :)