So, the Fortress...

[MidgardDragon]

...won't be back until all the Zoners are gone? I loved the last shot of the FOS, and we now know for sure that Clark is going to have his training, hopefully this season, but I'm sad that we didn't get to see him restore the Fortress yet. And also, did I miss it, or was the shot of the crystal going all red/yellow/blue gone in the episode?

[Superboy2]

I missed it too. Maybe its a deleted scene. I would think Clark would at least restore the FOS, so at least he can ask Jor-El for help if need be. I liked Rayas comment about Clark and his running away.

[eas]

Yeah, I didn't see that either. I was looking for it.

[Koma]

I could have sworn I saw it glow for a second when he absorbed Bow wow's power...?

[SVSpector]

Clark brought it back to life as the episode ended...his training won't start until all the zoners have been caught....there is another season to be had........

[dave73085]

I felt kind of robbed without that scene. Maybe next week? But it probably got cut, kind of like the lex emerging from the cocoon preview that we never saw.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

the fortress... did it fix itself because he accepted it's destiny?

FOS: Oh my, Clark's accepted his destiny! *lights up for a second* wait... not until everyone else is gone? Nevermind. *dies again* see ya in a year.

[FiveForFighting09]

he did restore the FOS....didn't he?

[SOnMyChest]

I dont get it...Raya said the Crystal now hows the power to restore the fortress....but he had the crystal in his hand in Kansas...and the Fortress still came back to life? hmmmmmm

[SVSpector]

I assumed he went back and powered it up, its his training that won't start right away.

[Superboy2]

I don't think he did. I don't get why not, but oh well. How many Zoners are left? 2 are gone, well three if you include Zod. I don't think Nam-Ek and Aethyr escaped, they know where Kal-El lives.

[HowardFilms]

He can run faster then a speeding bullet. He can make it to the FOS between scenes.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I think the fortress would only turn on once clark accepted his destiny.
Clark did and now the fortress is okay.

[myankskent]

I think that the fortress getting brighter at the end means that Clark went back to power the fortress back up. And besides, why not get some help from Jor-El to kill the Zoners?

[SOnMyChest]

Noo....that is such a waste....instead of the walk with his mom why not him in the fortress....it would be more meaningful for the plotline....damn TPTB!...well maybe it woke up....but not activated yet?

[dave73085]

Yeah, I will be disappointed if we don't see Clark consult with Jor-El about the Zoners, especially after how bummed he's been about not having access to Jor-El.

What's that song about you don't know what you've got til it's gone? ;)

[MrZeppo]

The fortress looked like it was slowly coming back to life at the end, so I think Clark restored it, just didn't stay...

Eh, I could live without the scene with the crystal. Stuff like that could be used like a hook in a preview to get you in, but honestly the multicolored crystal looked kind of weird.

Is it just me or does the crystal's look keep changing? In the PZ it looked the same as it did in tonight's episode, but after Clark used it on Zod it was black and silver-ish?

Weird

[MidgardDragon]

I think you may be right, myankskent. I didn't really pay attention to the FOS lighting up, I thought it was just supposed to be the sun getting brighter or something, but I suspect that he did, indeed, restore it there. Still, they needed to show him actually doing it, not just it lighting up. The episode was good, but could've been so much better with just that one scene.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I think you may be right, myankskent. I didn't really pay attention to the FOS lighting up, I thought it was just supposed to be the sun getting brighter or something, but I suspect that he did, indeed, restore it there. Still, they needed to show him actually doing it, not just it lighting up. The episode was good, but could've been so much better with just that one scene.

Yeah, I was hoping to see him go to the fortress and power it up, and then have Jor-El say, "Welcome back, Kal-El" or something like that as the episode ends. But the episode was still solid without it.

[warriorrenegade]

It woke all by itself. Clark accepted his "destiny" his willingness to train and learn of his people and the universe woke the fortress. The fortress supposedly needing to be recharged was just another test. Clark had to finally accept his destiny not be forced like other instances. Jor-EL did say to Martha " his destiny is now his own" I take that to mean now that Clark had to want to protect the world etc.. Jor-EL just took a backseat and let Clark come to him. Anyways thats how I saw it.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by myankskent
I think that the fortress getting brighter at the end means that Clark went back to power the fortress back up. And besides, why not get some help from Jor-El to kill the Zoners?
agree that's what I got from the endin,that he did restore it for help fightin others later on.I think raya talked sum sense into the boy :lol:

[Theshadow129x]

hmm i dont think its a deleted scene i think it was them tryig to get us to watch the episode

[Nospam]

Originally posted by myankskent
I think that the fortress getting brighter at the end means that Clark went back to power the fortress back up. And besides, why not get some help from Jor-El to kill the Zoners?

Yeah, I think that much is obvious. Why else would they show that clip? The Fortress is restored. I don't understand the confusion. What were people expecting, a giant neon "Now Open" sign on the Fortress?

Seconded on the hope that Clark consults with Jor-El on the next few Zoners/Phantoms/Bobs. Maybe they will have, like, an actual conversation.

[MidgardDragon]

I was expecting him to use the crystal inside the Fortress to restore it and talk to Jor-El for a second, then to have the shot outside the FOS at the end. I wasn't paying attention to it brightening that's why I didn't really catch it, because I was looking for that one last scene.

[jazzylg]

We now know that ...The Fortress is the center of all knowledge in the Universe".. after his training, that edge is what makes superman so super!

[Nospam]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I was expecting him to use the crystal inside the Fortress to restore it and talk to Jor-El for a second, then to have the shot outside the FOS at the end. I wasn't paying attention to it brightening that's why I didn't really catch it, because I was looking for that one last scene.

Me as well. I was expecting to see Clark walk to the control crystals, restore power to the Fortress and hear his father say something along the lines of, "You have done well, my son" and then Clark smiles. It takes a little more imagination, but I like the ending they chose. It's also a little more...dramatic.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Nospam
Me as well. I was expecting to see Clark walk to the control crystals, restore power to the Fortress and hear his father say something along the lines of, "You have done well, my son" and then Clark smiles. It takes a little more imagination, but I like the ending they chose. It's also a little more...dramatic.

Yeah, they took the "less is more" approach, and I can't argue with that.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by myankskent
Yeah, they took the "less is more" approach, and I can't argue with that.

Well put. Sometimes this show tries too hard and sometimes everything just falls together and we get truly beautiful moments.

[MidgardDragon]

The less is more thing is definitely a good point. I can't wait to, uh, "get" this episode to watch in HD, I imagine this will be one of the episodes where you don't appreciate it's true brilliance until you rewatch it.

[JAMHEXXX]

I also agreed with the ending. The viewing public isn't totally retarded, we can get the FOS lighting up as a sign that Clark went back to restore it.

[WalterK]

It was a mythology episode, which automatically rates it good in my book. So Clark now understands and accepts his destiny (unless he changes his mind later this season). He will go finish his training with Jor-El after he deals with the other zoners so that training is put off indefinitely, and leave us wondering.

I thought there would be a final dramatic shot of Clark in the FOS restoring the power, but I think the writers wanted the focus to be on his conversation with his Mom and his decision to accept his destiny. The last shot is of the FOS powering back up. That was sort of a given since Raya said that the crystal had enough power to restore power. I think the episode was very compact - the writers squeezed a lot into a single episode. The subject of Raya flying was not even brought up, or how they got to the FOS. Just not enough time to include those details in the episode.

[spideyfan]

Yes, CK went back to use the crystal which had the power from the half piece Lex had to restore the FoS.

That is implied knowledge.

[Leviathan]

If you think about it, what TPTB did was quite genius really... they have us all foaming at the mouth to see the fortress reactivated! LOL! We'll be glued to the tube for weeks to see that happen!

[Davlok]

I bet when Clark finishes his training he's gonna say...

"I know kung fu"

[Nospam]

Originally posted by Davlok
"I know kung fu"

"Show me..." :p

[mariolegosu]

Maybe the FOS was never dead!

[superpal1]

I think the end with the fortress lighting up was Clark powering it back up. It was a nice shot of the Fortress coming back to life and I don't feel cheated that we did not see him in the Fortress doing it.

[wraith808]

Just because he has the crystal in his hands doesn't mean that the fortress is not powered. It doesn't have to be like a battery that has to stay there- it could be that he just needed to transfer the power to the FoS

[chlarkfan333]

Since he was holding the crystal as he accepted his destiny and then they cut to the shot of the fortress powering up, I am in agreement with those who think that his acceptance is what caused the revival of the fortress. My guess is, he will find out in a bit about it. The ringing will alert him somehow.

[Nospam]

I don't understand why there is a debate about this. Raya told Clark he could now restore the Fortress with the power from the crystal. Clark discusses his decision to embrace his destiny with Martha. Cut to the Fortress as the power is restored. Obviously Clark restored the power of the Fortress with the crystal. A -> B -> C.

For the hopelessly confused:

See Clark. See Jor-El's crystal. See the Fortress. See the lights in the Fortress. Go Fortress, go!

The end.

[Pal-El]

Whoa people are confused about this? Crikey:\

[Lightning Flash]

Clark must've turned the FoS back on with that crystal. But it's kinda' stupid how it seems to be a deleted scene, it was important for the show to show us.

[RedKalEL]

I forgot why did the fortress "Die" in the first place

[Lightning Flash]

Braniac and the plane crash pretty much did.

[KryptoKnight]

I think Raya told him at the end to restore the Fortress. How, I am not sure but I bet the writers will fill in that hole before the end of the season/series.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by KryptoKnight
I think Raya told him at the end to restore the Fortress. How, I am not sure but I bet the writers will fill in that hole before the end of the season/series.

If you read any of the posts in this thread you would know that Clark restored the Fortress after Raya told him that the crystal now possessed enough power to do so. There is no plot hole.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Nospam
I don't understand why there is a debate about this. Raya told Clark he could now restore the Fortress with the power from the crystal. Clark discusses his decision to embrace his destiny with Martha. Cut to the Fortress as the power is restored. Obviously Clark restored the power of the Fortress with the crystal. A -> B -> C.

For the hopelessly confused:

See Clark. See Jor-El's crystal. See the Fortress. See the lights in the Fortress. Go Fortress, go!

The end.

There was momentary confusion on my part because I didn't catch the FOS lighting back up at the end, but once someone said it did, all that other stuff fell into place rather easily. ;) I don't think anyone is hopelessly confused here, it might appear that way if one doesn't read the whole thread, though.


Originally posted by Nospam
If you read any of the posts in this thread you would know that Clark restored the Fortress after Raya told him that the crystal now possessed enough power to do so. There is no plot hole.

I take that last post back, I should've read the rest of the thread to see that some people are, indeed, hopelessly confused, like the one you responded to. :P

[Nospam]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
There was momentary confusion on my part because I didn't catch the FOS lighting back up at the end, but once someone said it did, all that other stuff fell into place rather easily. ;) I don't think anyone is hopelessly confused here, it might appear that way if one doesn't read the whole thread, though.



I take that last post back, I should've read the rest of the thread to see that some people are, indeed, hopelessly confused, like the one you responded to. :P

At first I was just being a smart ass, but people do genuinely seemed confused about what happened. I think it was blatantly obvious that Clark returned to the FOS and restored the power. Raya said repeatedly that the Fortress had no power remaining, so Clark is the only one that could have done that. There is no Jor-El or magic involved just because Clark stood there and accepted his destiny, he still had to physically travel to the Fortress and use the crystal. That is part of the symbology of a restored Fortress we see at the end.

[MidgardDragon]

Yeah, I agree with that, Clark was definitely in the Fortress when it lit back up. I don't think Jor-El was just testing Clark in order to get him to accept his destiny or anything, the Fortress was genuinely dead and Clark definitely powered it back up.

[a silent liaison]

Clark said that he cannot start his training (he needs the Fortress so he can figure out what it is he needs to do, exactly) until he captures all of the ''phantoms'' that escaped from the Phantom Zone. When Bow Wow's character was captured in Jor-El's crystal, it was similar to that of fuel, which helps bring forth the Fortress once more.

I realize that this is rather random, but I've always wondered this.... If Jor-El is physically dead, how is it that Clark could communicate with him when the Fortress was active?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by a silent liaison
Clark said that he cannot start his training (he needs the Fortress so he can figure out what it is he needs to do, exactly) until he captures all of the ''phantoms'' that escaped from the Phantom Zone. When Bow Wow's character was captured in Jor-El's crystal, it was similar to that of fuel, which helps bring forth the Fortress once more.

I realize that this is rather random, but I've always wondered this.... If Jor-El is physically dead, how is it that Clark could communicate with him when the Fortress was active?

In the same way that you can read a letter from a deceased loved one long after they are gone. Their physical body may be gone, but the consequences of their actions remain. Technologically, the Fortress contains the essence of Jor-El. Whether it's some form of artificial intelligence or a computerized collection of Jor-El's engrams (memories, thoughts) is up for debate. I prefer the latter, that the Fortress contains a computerized database of Jor-El's actual memories and thoughts.

[CallMeClark]

Isn't the fortress now back on track? I am certain that the crystal consumed enough power to regenerate it.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Isn't the fortress now back on track? I am certain that the crystal consumed enough power to regenerate it.

No, sadly the Fortress is no more. Baern destroyed it in the process of killing Raya.:(

[Routh]

Oh, Nospam. I'm afraid most won't understand your sarcasm. That is, unless they've bothered to read the rest of the thread.

Yes, the Fortress was blown to pieces when the terrorists, with the help of Martha, rammed a car with a bomb attached to it into the side of the ice castle.

THE FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE HAS BEEN REVIVED/REBOOTED/HOORAY!

But seriously, if you really need to see it again, quickly register here and view the clip.

http://www.svfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=831&Itemid=271

[loisluvr_72]

I think that the fortress wasn't "dead" per se, just Jor-El's AI waiting until Clark truly accepted his destiny. I think the advanced intelligence of the crystal sensed that, hence the re-awakening of the fortress at the end.

[MidgardDragon]

:lol: at Nospam and Routh.

[Charybdis]

Clearly, Isobel possessed Lana's body and used her magic powers to revive the Fotress of Solitude to steal the knowledge of the universe. In turn, she will accept Clark's destiny as her own since Clark has been such a little wuss in accepting it.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by loisluvr_72
I think that the fortress wasn't "dead" per se, just Jor-El's AI waiting until Clark truly accepted his destiny. I think the advanced intelligence of the crystal sensed that, hence the re-awakening of the fortress at the end.

At the risk of repeating myself:


At first I was just being a smart ass, but people do genuinely seemed confused about what happened. I think it was blatantly obvious that Clark returned to the FOS and restored the power. Raya said repeatedly that the Fortress had no power remaining, so Clark is the only one that could have done that. There is no Jor-El or magic involved just because Clark stood there and accepted his destiny, he still had to physically travel to the Fortress and use the crystal. That is part of the symbology of a restored Fortress we see at the end.

Why would Jor-El lie to Martha about the state of power in the Fortress in Zod, or for that matter why would Raya lie to Clark and say the same thing? She was Jor-El's assistant, after all, it wasn't like the technology was a complete mystery to her.

[KryptoKnight]

Originally posted by Nospam
If you read any of the posts in this thread you would know that Clark restored the Fortress after Raya told him that the crystal now possessed enough power to do so. There is no plot hole.

Of course I read the thread. Guess what - I watched the show too :) So how did the crystal get all this power? Can you fill in that hole for us?

[MidgardDragon]

By capturing the Phantoms in it. It was part of the way powered up by Zod, and the rest of the way powered up by capturing Baern. Baern, as we know from the show, was basically radioactive and had a *lot* of power after consuming the box (he consumed energy). Baern in and of himself would probably have been enough to fuel the crystal completely. That was not a hole either, it was well explained by Raya, even though she didn't make a huge speech about it.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by KryptoKnight
Of course I read the thread. Guess what - I watched the show too :) So how did the crystal get all this power? Can you fill in that hole for us?

Brainiacs power source (the black box taken from the black ship by Lexod in Zod) -> power absorbed by Baern leaving the black box as dust -> Baern's energy absorbed by Jor-El's crystal (Raya specifically mentions this in the episode) -> crystal restores the Fortress.

No plot hole (for once).:p

[KryptoKnight]

Originally posted by Nospam
Brainiacs power source (the black box taken from the black ship by Lexod in Zod) -> power absorbed by Baern leaving the black box as dust -> Baern's energy absorbed by Jor-El's crystal (Raya specifically mentions this in the episode) -> crystal restores the Fortress.

No plot hole (for once).:p

It's one of the things I like about this show - being able to use my own imagination. If it matches what the writers are doing, it's ok, if not, it's ok too.
Yeah I like the holes and loose ends to be filled in or connected, but I would rather enjoy the creativity.