Chloe left out

[maudeline]

I was a bit disapointed to see that Chloe was absent in a lot's of scenes in the episode...I think she could have been more present !

It's maybe just me...

[khufu]

She's in at least 20 episodes this season. Have no fear :p

[BigJoe]

seems to me that lois is taking over the Chloe role more. meaning that lois and clark are teaming up now, more then Clark and Chloe.

[Polomontana]

Exactly, so I predict another ratings disaster. Like I said last week less Chloe = less ratings. They are trying to stuff Lois and this Green Arrow character down are throats.

[Ares]

Clark needs to honestly start figureing out more things on his own hes way to dependent on her as it is.. Have more Chloe an Jimmy but dont really show Jimmy cuz his crooked teeth is just annoying.

[maudeline]

Yes I know I am use to see chloe investigated with clark and here it was Lois !

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Exactly, so I predict another ratings disaster. Like I said last week less Chloe = less ratings. They are trying to stuff Lois and this Green Arrow character down are throats.

Oh please. Just look at last season's ratings decline. The ratings went into the tank last season after Reckoning and Clark and Chloe were going strong at that point as a tag team. I'm not buying the fact that the ratings are going to fall further because she is pushed aside.

[thehenry89]

i'm glad that they are at least trying to cut the chloe clark embilical cord. she's been his brain for the past 4 episodes and lots more before that.

[khufu]

Originally posted by BigJoe
seems to me that lois is taking over the Chloe role more. meaning that lois and clark are teaming up now, more then Clark and Chloe. They weren't working together. They were working separately on the same story, which is different.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by BigJoe
seems to me that lois is taking over the Chloe role more. meaning that lois and clark are teaming up now, more then Clark and Chloe.

Hopefully

[BigJoe]

yeah i agree but its just a feeling that im getting

[Naomi]

Originally posted by maudeline
I was a bit disapointed to see that Chloe was absent in a lot's of scenes in the episode...I think she could have been more present !

It's maybe just me...

Not just you :)

[maudeline]

Yap they were working seperatly but they could have show her more anyways!

[jazel]

LOL....thought it was a well rounded epi :) .......little bit of everything.....like the developing friendship between ollie and clark....am surprised i actually like ollie :) ......he and lois seem more like friends, than boyfriend/girlfriend.LOL...loved chloe's reaction to ollie....too funny :) .....lionel confuses me though,is he on the up and up?

[Naomi]

Originally posted by maudeline
Yap they were working seperatly but they could have show her more anyways!
Second episode in a row as well :rolleyes: It would be nice if Chloe could get the sort of decent plot she got back in season 3 with the Luthor's, instead of being shoved aside, or used as google all of the time

[Deana]

Originally posted by thehenry89
i'm glad that they are at least trying to cut the chloe clark embilical cord. she's been his brain for the past 4 episodes and lots more before that.

Oh god I hope so. It's been so painful to watch him look dumb, running to her desk, like a lost pathetic puppy.

[lexs&os]

Um, it would've been nice to see Chloe more but the scenes we got of her were great. Dinner with ma kent and Clark - nice personal setting instead of busy DP or *full out* investigating - it was personal - and the ending scene was great too - setting up a lot of the future episodes and Ollie working with them - nice beginning set up for episode 11.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by khufu
They weren't working together. They were working separately on the same story, which is different.
agree,and its actually not the first time we've seen this happen between the 2 so I wouldn't trip on not seein chloe as much.She'll probably play a bigger part when the PZers come into play the next couple of weeks.The last 2 episodes were more about oliver/lois,not even clark was seen as much imo.But I agree here tho,they investigated seperately jus on the same case.

[Ares]

How many times are they going to go back to Chloe with her stupid Computers.. Its annoying she can do anything with that.. enough is enough..

[liana]

Actually, I thought Clark was left out. Considering that this show is supposed to be about him, his role was very reduced at this episode as it was in last week episode. Besides, Chloe will probably be a lot present next week and the other one.

[Damali]

Seriously, IMO the less Chloe, the better.

[shirkie]

Chloe will get more attention in upcoming episodes. She's got a huge fan base.
shirkie

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Damali
Seriously, IMO the less Chloe, the better.

I just think that it's time to move onto something else. There are people out there who find the Clark/Chloe show just as tiresome as Clana became. Season 5 was loaded with Chlark, this season it's time for a nice change. So far, I like what I am seeing.

[celita]

I liked Clark working alone for once. YEAHHH Clark has a brain what a surprise, I´m so proud :D .

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by celita
I liked Clark working alone for once. YEAHHH Clark has a brain what a surprise, I´m so proud :D .
True but we kno it wont last long,not the BDA style :lol:


Originally posted by myankskent
I just think that it's time to move onto something else. There are people out there who find the Clark/Chloe show just as tiresome as Clana became. Season 5 was loaded with Chlark, this season it's time for a nice change. So far, I like what I am seeing.
Well chloe is sumwhat like pete was in s2/3 once he found out the secret he was useless.Jus sumone that knew,but wit chloe workin at the DP she has alil more push then pete,otherwise she'd probably go like he did.Cause it seems soon as sumone learns clark secret they die or if they stay around they become useless imo.Clark/Pete got borin to me in s3,and like u say sum r bored of chlark,but I think her workin at the DP is what keep it goin.Plus we saw her betrayal back in s3 and her growth back then(Maybe not much growth now but hey),so seein chlark gettin closer does help them sum.It wouldn't hurt to have him figure sumthings out by himself but even if he does and then only goes to her for certain times I think sum who already hate their ship now will still hate it.So I dont got a prob wit chlark,cause that's the only ship on the show that's cool imo,but I do agree that clark should figure sum things on his on.I thought tonight was a good episode,and even the season so far(Besides sneeze,and that horrible wither).he's been makin sum decisions on his own,so I think tptb r cuttin back sum,jus maybe not as much as u would like but hey.I'd take what I can get,cause without chloe on the show then clark would really be mopin cause then he'd be all up in lexana bizz.I think chloe keeps him grounded at times,but does pamper him alil too much sum too.

[celita]

What a pitty ¬¬ he´s supposed to become superman an that. Please BDA why don´t you try to do the things alone?. Chloe can´t be your babysitter forever. Hopefully in fallout it will be raya who leads him (if someone has to do it). She is an alien after all, google won´t be able to help this time.

[Damali]

Originally posted by myankskent
I just think that it's time to move onto something else. There are people out there who find the Clark/Chloe show just as tiresome as Clana became. Season 5 was loaded with Chlark, this season it's time for a nice change. So far, I like what I am seeing.

I'm all for change. My biggest complaint with a lot of the Clark/Chloe stuff, especially of late, is that Clark comes across as being so inept...it makes me wanna scream. It's like he's friggin' Superman, why doesnt he get it, already. I really want Clark, to do things own his own, and I saw a little bit of that in this episode.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by myankskent
Oh please. Just look at last season's ratings decline. The ratings went into the tank last season after Reckoning and Clark and Chloe were going strong at that point as a tag team. I'm not buying the fact that the ratings are going to fall further because she is pushed aside.

Agreed. Presonally I'm getting really sick of the Chloe/Clark term with sidekick Clark Kent. I want a term with more fairness, both doing the work but Clark being hte one to do more. At this point I don't see how SV's Clark will be superman without Chloe telling how to save, who the bad guys are and all that kind of stuff.

[eas]

Originally posted by myankskent
I just think that it's time to move onto something else. There are people out there who find the Clark/Chloe show just as tiresome as Clana became. Season 5 was loaded with Chlark, this season it's time for a nice change. So far, I like what I am seeing.

I agree -- the Chloe/Clark dynamic needs a bit of a change. I wish Chloe could get her own arc (seperate from Clark) but I don't think that's ever going to happen.

It was nice to see Clark actually using his brains and not running to Chloe for every little thing. He actually talked to Oliver and then followed up with Lionel. It was a nice change from previous episodes where Chloe would have just dug up the records on her magic computer & presto the riddle would solve itself. This method is much more entertaining & foreshadows the investigative reporter that Clark is destined to become.

So, I didn't miss Chloe in this ep. I don't think she as needed... and I'm sure we'll get to see a lot of her during the "Zoners" arc, because she'll have all the answers.

[savingpeoplething]

For what little Chloe we got in "Reunion", it was still nice :)

- Eating a meal with Clark and his mom...very cute.
- Still looking the part of The Daily Planet reporter, bringing her research to help Superman, and meeting another superhero and getting excited about it.


Originally posted by eas
I wish Chloe could get her own arc (seperate from Clark) but I don't think that's ever going to happen.


With the return of Level 33.1 in "Static", I think we'll see the beginnings of Chloe's "own arc". That storyline SCREAMS Chloe because it connects to The Vengeance Chronicles.

[Polomontana]

Chloe will be in a love triangle between Oliver and Jimmy. Look at the front of Kryptonsite, Lex is next to Lana, Clark is next to Lois and Chloe is next to Oliver and Jimmy!! I have cracked the code!!

[eas]

Originally posted by savingpeoplething

With the return of Level 33.1 in "Static", I think we'll see the beginnings of Chloe's "own arc". That storyline SCREAMS Chloe because it connects to The Vengeance Chronicles.

I hope you're right... it'll be nice to see Chloe doing her own thing for once. It's been awhile.

[Coyote]

They haven't done anything interesting with Chloe for a long time. If they can't think of anything better to do with her than making out with Jimmy Olsen they should just kill her off and get it over with.

[SnarkMasterJ]

I missed Chloe tonight. I missed her a lot. But I think what occurred was both necessary and telling. EDLois had to step into Chloe's role to get reasonable screen time. And oh yeah, it's still Chloe's role. She's the helper, the reporter, the sidekick. Clark is another story really, because you can't have everything. And he's getting better, but that's my view. Believe me. I know how everyone feels about Clark, so we really don't need to talk about it.

Bottom line, Clois is just the poor man's Chlark, IMO. They're big shoes to fill, and Clois is still swimming around in all the empty space.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I missed Chloe tonight. I missed her a lot. But I think what occurred was both necessary and telling. EDLois had to step into Chloe's role to get reasonable screen time. And oh yeah, it's still Chloe's role. She's the helper, the reporter, the sidekick. Clark is another story really, because you can't have everything. And he's getting better, but that's my view. Believe me. I know how everyone feels about Clark, so we really don't need to talk about it.

Bottom line, Clois is just the poor man's Chlark, IMO. They're big shoes to fill, and Clois is still swimming around in all the empty space.
agree,but once oliver leaves there wont be a big push on lois character.I see them cuttin her time back then since she's only in so many episodes,which may be why they r rushin things in her development.Cause she's tied to oliver/ga and when he's gon there won't be no need for her fo real.Where as chloe is tied to clark so she'll always have a place even if lois gets an episode or 2 to do her thing.

[khufu]

No worries. As always, Chloe will get the juiciest parts of the story this season. She'll be in on the JLA, in on 33.1, and will probably be involved with any remaining Kryptonians that Clark has to deal with. Not to mention there is always the possibility of a Chronicles type addition that are always enjoyable.


Originally posted by D.M.A.
agree,but once oliver leaves there wont be a big push on lois character.I see them cuttin her time back then since she's only in so many episodes,which may be why they r rushin things in her development.Cause she's tied to oliver/ga and when he's gon there won't be no need for her fo real.Where as chloe is tied to clark so she'll always have a place even if lois gets an episode or 2 to do her thing. Exactly. All of her episodes are front-loaded this season, and after Justice she will only have 4 (maybe 5) episodes left out of the remaining 11. In fact, the big Lois push might already be nearing an end, although she might have a big role in Rage, and perhaps Hydro (but that will be super tabloidy). But I can't see her being important in Fallout or Justice.

[TalkinMac]

I am more worried about Clark being left out to be honest.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by TalkinMac
I am more worried about Clark being left out to be honest.

Well, since his brain has been left out most of the time.....would that really be such a bad thing?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Only two scenes with Chloe. But the story did not allow for more, so it was OK IMO... Dinner at the Kent's was cute, like she is part of the family now. What did Chloe say about Ollie in the end? I didn't get that. Like 'wow,...?' Can someone fill me in?

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by myankskent
I just think that it's time to move onto something else. There are people out there who find the Clark/Chloe show just as tiresome as Clana became. Season 5 was loaded with Chlark, this season it's time for a nice change. So far, I like what I am seeing.

Loaded with Chlark as friends.. which they are.. she is his sidekick and it sickens me to have Lois (who bores the hell outta me) taking over Chloe's role.. Chloe is and always will be the one I want with Clark.. I know the myth, the comic books, the movies but in all honesty, Smallville has changed so much that I don't think it would be wrong to see Clark and Chloe have a relationship at this point.. Lois is his future but we don't need to see it in Smallville.. if people wanna see Lois/Clark, go rent Superman:The Movie..

I, for one, will stop watching if TPTB place an awesome character like Chloe on the backburner so Lois can get more air time.. I am beginning to get ill that Martha isn't on more..

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by khufu
Exactly. All of her episodes are front-loaded this season, and after Justice she will only have 4 (maybe 5) episodes left out of the remaining 11. In fact, the big Lois push might already be nearing an end, although she might have a big role in Rage, and perhaps Hydro (but that will be super tabloidy). But I can't see her being important in Fallout or Justice.
Agree it looks as if her time is finna run out cause the next few episodes focus more on clark and the zoners,besides the rage that's about oliver.So I'm guessin we'll see chloe back as the sidekick next week,and lois time cut,cause they'll have to cut back on oliver time too before justice in jan.So I agree,besides 1 episode is cool wit me long as tptb dont try to change the dynamic and all of a sudden have clois as the team.But 1 episode is cool for now

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
Agree it looks as if her time is finna run out cause the next few episodes focus more on clark and the zoners,besides the rage that's about oliver.So I'm guessin we'll see chloe back as the sidekick next week,and lois time cut,cause they'll have to cut back on oliver time too before justice in jan.So I agree,besides 1 episode is cool wit me long as tptb dont try to change the dynamic and all of a sudden have clois as the team.But 1 episode is cool for now
I agree.. totally not feeling the clois team.. I'm all about the Chlark team even if they always just remain friends..

[Chloestheone]

Bored with Lois. She's not as perky as she's trying to be.
I want more Chloe, but enjoy Clark growing a brain. I'd like to see him begin to appreciate all the work Chloe's done for him over the years. I think Ollie is good for Clark.

[maudeline]

Originally posted by Naomi
Second episode in a row as well :rolleyes: It would be nice if Chloe could get the sort of decent plot she got back in season 3 with the Luthor's, instead of being shoved aside, or used as google all of the time
Yap youre right, she deserved good story.. like when she was with the luthors ! I see her trying to impress her DP boss and do lot's more investigation but for herself, not just for clark !:rolleyes:

[heavens_cry]

Originally posted by Damali
Seriously, IMO the less Chloe, the better.

That's why it is your opion, cause alot of people like her and she is one of the best actress on the show. Take her away it wouldn't be as good..


Originally posted by Rhoda123
Loaded with Chlark as friends.. which they are.. she is his sidekick and it sickens me to have Lois (who bores the hell outta me) taking over Chloe's role.. Chloe is and always will be the one I want with Clark.. I know the myth, the comic books, the movies but in all honesty, Smallville has changed so much that I don't think it would be wrong to see Clark and Chloe have a relationship at this point.. Lois is his future but we don't need to see it in Smallville.. if people wanna see Lois/Clark, go rent Superman:The Movie..

I, for one, will stop watching if TPTB place an awesome character like Chloe on the backburner so Lois can get more air time.. I am beginning to get ill that Martha isn't on more..


I agree with you, but Not in all the comics is he with lois.. In different universe and stuff he is with lana or he is with someone else.. SO who is to say that he will be with lois.. They just make Chloe his new love and lois just a friend.. Which I think would be really cool.,

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Chloestheone
Bored with Lois. She's not as perky as she's trying to be.
I want more Chloe, but enjoy Clark growing a brain. I'd like to see him begin to appreciate all the work Chloe's done for him over the years. I think Ollie is good for Clark.
I agree I would like to see him appreciate what chloe's done like before.Jus as in mortal when he cut the power it was a nod to her comments earlier,so if he does more of that I'm cool.But the team of him and lois I dont wanna see on a reg basis every now and then cool,but not full time.In that case kill off chloe now cause what would be the point if u take away her connections to clark this late in the series.But I think that lois got the push this episode cause it focused more on oliver,as long as it deals wit him she'll play a bigger role,which I dont mind.


Originally posted by heavens_cry
That's why it is your opion, cause alot of people like her and she is one of the best actress on the show. Take her away it wouldn't be as good..




I agree with you, but Not in all the comics is he with lois.. In different universe and stuff he is with lana or he is with someone else.. SO who is to say that he will be with lois.. They just make Chloe his new love and lois just a friend.. Which I think would be really cool.,
I agree clark can end up wit chloe and I'd be happy cause we kno lois represents the future and shouldn't be here.So since things have changed already it can also be said that clois doesn't HAVE to happen.but we also see that tptb do want it to before the series ends,I jus wish they'd change their minds since they've changed the myths enough,1 more wouldn't hurt :D .But I agree it could end that way wit chlark romantic and clois as friends,cause it doesn't have to end wit clois.But most likely it will sadly,I actually luv clois wit their bro/sis type vibe romantic clois is jus sumthin I dont wanna see on sv not wit the way they've been depicted already

[Damali]

Originally posted by heavens_cry
That's why it is your opion, cause alot of people like her and she is one of the best actress on the show. Take her away it wouldn't be as good.

I don't like generalizations like this, because it's a smack in the face to decades and decades worth of entertaining Superman Lore, which has nothing to do with the character Chloe. I get that people like the character, but Superman is entertaining all by himself.

Besides, my main problem with the character is that she has become a crutch to the show as of late. It is one plot device after another that tends to make Clark look incapable of figuring things out on his own. That’s why IMO the less Chloe the better, Clark doesn’t always have to look like a BDA.

[ginnyfan]

I don't think Chloe was left out. She was serving the role set up in "Reckoning." She and Martha are Clark's only support in becoming Superman. They know his secret and they can help him take new steps on the road to his development (to an extent). This similar to Jonathan and Martha in past seasons, and Chloe and Martha are limited in a similar way. But basically they can give him all the help within Human power (Oliver helps with this too giving access to his satellite) and then Jor-el (or now Raya) can step up and help him on a more... Super... level with a lot more perspective.

So anyway I don't think helping Clark track down the "Zoners" as Chloe has nicknamed them (heeheehee) is leaving her out.

I'm actually looking forward to Chloe doing more journalism work with Jimmy (giggles with glee). I loved that in Wither. Jimmy gets a tip and goes straight to Chloe. Unlike Clark who kind of uses her rather than includes her. I don't mean this in a mean way. But he does. I know Clark loves Chloe (not romantically IMO) but he does use her.

So... I disagree. Chloe was not left out. She's just working on something other than the main plot of this episode. All Chloe's work IMO pertains to next weeks episode.

[mikeghost]

Originally posted by Damali
I don't like generalizations like this, because it's a smack in the face to decades and decades worth of entertaining Superman Lore, which has nothing to do with the character Chloe. I get that people like the character, but Superman is entertaining all by himself.

Besides, my main problem with the character is that she has become a crutch to the show as of late. It is one plot device after another that tends to make Clark look incapable of figuring things out on his own. That’s why IMO the less Chloe the better, Clark doesn’t always have to look like a BDA.

Yes I agree. With Lois, Clarks IQ climbs up at least twenty points. :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Jimmy gets a tip and goes straight to Chloe. Unlike Clark who kind of uses her rather than includes her. I don't mean this in a mean way.

Very well said.
I agree that Chloe's work on the satellite pics was the intro for next week's episode. Let's hope that Jimmy is going to be in it...

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Exactly, so I predict another ratings disaster. Like I said last week less Chloe = less ratings. They are trying to stuff Lois and this Green Arrow character down are throats.

You really believe a wider audience out there would want to watch "Chloeville"

I think more people switched to Smallville after Arrow. This week's ratings have improved than last week's.

See, that is the problem with Chloe fans in particular. You don't watch the entire show, you just keep counting how many scenes Chloe had or how much time she had with Clark. You fail to realize that Chloe is not the crowd puller. Yes, she may appeal to a group of fans who find the nerd-reporter and Clark's best friend fitting into the "herione" thing, but overall, it won't sell the show at the end of the day.

People who stopped watching SV and discarded it as a teenage highschool drama will only switch back if you show them that this show is more than highschool drama or some cape-donned comic book hero.

The whole Ollie/Clark rivalry thing, Lex's past stories and the mature women Lois and Lana are shown as in this season has really helped to find a larger audience and the ratings show it.

The fans who might have lost hope after Whither are coming back now. I think the writers and producers know this more than anyone.

Chloe fans might want more screentime for her, but then it would be another Chloe Chronicles that only die-hard Chloe fans are interested in watching, not the entire audience. Whither reviews showed that how much everyone detested Chloe being incharge of everything.

Chloe is an interesting character no doubt, but not a major character of the show. More scenes with Chloe can never mean good ratings.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Chloe fans might want more screentime for her, but then it would be another Chloe Chronicles that only die-hard Chloe fans are interested in watching, not the entire audience. Whither reviews showed that how much everyone detested Chloe being incharge of everything.

Chloe is an interesting character no doubt, but not a major character of the show. More scenes with Chloe can never mean good ratings.

You are right.
This is coming from a Chloe-fan and Chlarker, please note. Let's all cut down on the generalizations...

The whole Chloe=ratings argument is huuuuuuge bogus IMO. Ratings develop rather slowly. Even the GA has no real influence on the ratings yet, I think. Maybe the media circus that the CW produces around the GA does, but not JH/GA's performance in the show...

[Farm_Girl]

^^ I agree. I am not saying that GA episodes or Lois is to be given credit for improved ratings, I was just answering a post that said that more Chloe means better ratings which is clearly not right. Arrow and Reunion weren't Chloe centric yet they picked good ratings.

I don't think Chloe fans should feel she is being left out just because the writers are not pairing her up with Clark. There is much more for Chloe's character than just ending up with Clark.

Interestingly, if only Chloe fans see it that way, Clark and Lois are the only ones "bound" on this show, we know "Lollie" is great but it won't work, why? Because Lois ends up with Clark, we know Clark will have Raya, but it won't work, why because Clark ends up with Lois...

But with Chloe, we have no such "bounds" she can end up with Jimmy, or Ollie or may be Bruce Wayne as she is heading the DC comics too.. you never know. There is much more for Chloe's character to explore than just "pair him up with Clark"!

I don't think Chloe is left out, her scene at the Kent farm shows that Martha trusts and loves her as Clark's friend and protector of his secret.. she is not left out, it's just Chloe's fans feel that her world ends on Clark, if Clark cannot love her.. she is left out.. actually she is not...

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
I don't think Chloe is left out, her scene at the Kent farm shows that Martha trusts and loves her as Clark's friend and protector of his secret.. she is not left out, it's just Chloe's fans feel that her world ends on Clark, if Clark cannot love her.. she is left out.. actually she is not...

Yeah, of course. But what can I say? We really like the girl and we think she also deserves a piece of the pie. I mean Lois is gonna get the entire darn pie, in a few years from now. We do accept that. Just let Chloe nibble a little, that's all we ask for. ;)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Exactly, so I predict another ratings disaster. Like I said last week less Chloe = less ratings. They are trying to stuff Lois and this Green Arrow character down are throats.

I don't agree with that (just like I don't agree that Clana = ratings). I think as long as they avoid the stupid teaming that they did in season 4 where they were always around one another and Clark never had a chance of using his abilities and instead make them go their own ways and touch base every now and then, it could work. I like the way they were in Reunion very much. That's actually the Superman-Lois dynamic. Lois goes out to check out a story and Superman shows up for the save when she gets in too much trouble, but other than that, Clark is off doing his own thing.

I just hope that Chloe starts to be phased out as Clark's sidekick the way she's been. If they had a good partnership where Clark wasn't written to be stupid and Chloe wasn't his crutch, then I would like to see more. I liked the way they were in Solitude, but since then, Chloe has made Clark look like a complete moron, when he was much smarter back in seasons 1-3 than he is now. The discovering of superbreath in Sneeze was the last straw for me. I want Clark to go out and find things out for himself and compare notes with Chloe every now and then (maybe she can help him with the contacts she has). I actually like the way Clark and Chloe were in Reunion. I'm finally starting to get hints of the reporter that Clark will be. I also like the proactive thinking he had and how he wants to find out if more zoners are on Earth.

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, of course. But what can I say? We really like the girl and we think she also deserves a piece of the pie. I mean Lois is gonna get the entire darn pie, in a few years from now. We do accept that. Just let Chloe nibble a little, that's all we ask for. ;)

So Clark is a "Pie" now :eek:

I think the writers need to team up Clark with Lois more often now so their future dynamics can develop.

Jimmy's role hasn't been developed yet, I think in weeks to come when we see more of "Chimmy" Chloe fans won't have the left out feeling.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
So Clark is a "Pie" now :eek:

I think the writers need to team up Clark with Lois more often now so their future dynamics can develop.

Jimmy's role hasn't been developed yet, I think in weeks to come when we see more of "Chimmy" Chloe fans won't have the left out feeling.

Oh, I never complained about her being left out in 'reunion'. I actually find it amazing that tptb still put her into those episodes where she obviously isn't absolutely needed. I guess it's because the writers like her... This time it was OK, she served us the intro for next week, as you said already...

Well of course Clark is a pie. A cutie-pie, I'd say...

And: I am simply not convinced by Jimmy, and therefore Ch(l)immy. I don't see how someone could fall for this guy and not keep on pursuing Clark... Chloe thought she was perfect for Clark 5 years ago, I think she still is. What about her having some fun with Jimmy? I certainly don't mind that. But where is the guy?!?

[Farm_Girl]

^^ Um, TPTB need to bring Chloe even when she is not needed, because AM is signed for all episodes.. I guess.. they have to write a Chloe scene no matter what...

And the Kent farm scene wasn't unneeded, infact it was very important because it concerned Clark's search about Dark Thursday..

I say bring Clark into journalism by writing an article about this..

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
^^ Um, TPTB need to bring Chloe even when she is not needed, because AM is signed for all episodes.. I guess.. they have to write a Chloe scene no matter what...

I heard she is usually signed for 20 out of 22...

[xrayvision]

Is that how they do it? I thought the main cast can be brought in for as many episodes as TPTB want them in. Does that mean that TPTB planned on not having Lana in 2 episodes last year (Solitude and Exposed) from before season 5 started?

[Autumn]

Originally posted by myankskent
Oh please. Just look at last season's ratings decline. The ratings went into the tank last season after Reckoning and Clark and Chloe were going strong at that point as a tag team. I'm not buying the fact that the ratings are going to fall further because she is pushed aside.

I think the ratings didn't go down because of Lana or Chloe. So no Clana, Lexana, more Chlark, did not equal the ratings disaster. (although I don't think it was a disaster)

The ratings went down after Jonathan Kent died. Most people were tuning in to find out who would die in the 100th episode. Once Jonathan Kent died, the non-obsessive viewers decided to start tuning out I believe. WIth the loss of Jonathan Kent, a lot of the family dynamic was lost. So, before many families watched the show together as a family. Now, with no JK, many families don't.

I don't think any of the ships are to blame for ratings. I think after Reckoning it had to do more with the fact that without JK part of the heart of the show was gone.

So no Clana can't be blamed, Lexana can't be blamed, Chlark investigating together can't be blamed (somehow I doubt that something that has been consistent since season one would all of a sudden make people tune out), Lexana can't be blamed, and now even Clois can't be blamed.

The fact of the matter is, is that the feeling of the show has changed. While some people love the new revamped style, others don't. I think that's the real reason.

The CW could also be partly to blame for this season. Their advertising techniques were not up to par.

Although, while I don't think that having Clois will ultimately make a huge ratings decline (it could alienate a few fans; but that will happen with any loss of someone's favorite ship), I do think there would be a decline if Chloe was completely pushed aside. She's a fan's favorite, and one of the most beloved characters on the show. She even won the Teen Choice Award. So, to forget about the importance of her character "would" be a mistake. There are more than just comic book fans watching Smallville. A lot of people who watch the show, don't care about how it all ends, or how true the show is to the Superman comics. They just want to watch the show, that "could" have introduced them to the Superman universe. And Chloe in Smallville has been a part of that.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Sorry but the less Chloe the better. I was getting sick of Super Chloe.

Clark needs to continue his journey without his crutch Chloe.

[Kal-ed]

I dont want Chloe pushed aside, but if having her in the show, means only being Clarks search engine and making him look stupid by figuring everythin out then I rather see her less, I would prefer she had her own arc.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I dont want Chloe pushed aside, but if having her in the show, means only being Clarks search engine and making him look stupid by figuring everythin out then I rather see her less, I would prefer she had her own arc.

That's why I think it would be a good idea if they gave Chloe a storyarc where she is investigating Level 33.1.

[xrayvision]

I agree. I also would like it if she is the one who helps out Lana once she gets burned by the flames of Lex's maniacal ways. I don't want it to be Clark, since he will have his hands full with Zoners, the FOS, and Lionel (oh my!:p). I would also like to see Pete back when that happens. I really want him to pursue his destiny in politics and become an insider in the Luthor mansion. They can set up some nice stories with him if they wanted to by having Lex be involved in the downfall of Martha and her senate seat. If they throw him as Lex's advisor, he can help soften the blow when Martha would lose her in such a plot. They could do it in a way where Martha sacrifices it to protect Clark and his secret like Jonathan did with his life.

[myankskent]

The problem with Chloe is that her storylines always centered around Clark, even with the Lionel arc in season 3, it all had to do with Clark. Now that she found out about Clark, she really has been used more as Clark's personal search engine than anything else. I thought that Jimmy would give her a nice storyline, but he doesn't seem to be a really important character, like GA has become. Jimmy's appearances are just so scattered.


Originally posted by MBCorp
That's why I think it would be a good idea if they gave Chloe a storyarc where she is investigating Level 33.1.

Chloe investigating Level 33.1 could be interesting, because that might force Lex to get his hands on her.

[xrayvision]

I would like to see a Lex vs. Chloe arc like there was with her and Lionel in season 3. I want her to be a partner to Clark, or at least for her to coach him in becoming a reporter, not teach him how to use his powers or do the thinking for him.

[Autumn]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Sorry but the less Chloe the better. I was getting sick of Super Chloe.

Clark needs to continue his journey without his crutch Chloe.

I find it amusing that people hate super-Chloe, but then when she does do anything "human" people jump on it like an angry mob.

I don't think Chloe's holding Clark back. He's holding himself back.

A lot of people feel the less Lois, the better. So, it's all subjective. (Some people might hate Super-Chloe, but others hate lightswitch Lois)

I think pushing both characters aside would be a mistake.

But again, I repeat that the ratings I think are more related to the revamped feeling of the show rather than ships. The family dynamic is what got a lot of people tuned into the show from the beginning. With the loss of it , many people might have tuned out.

I think that Chloe's going to get her own arc soon as well. And it's not just going to be as the personal search engine of Clark's.

Chloe has already started researching Level 33.1 in the Vengeance Chronicles, and since they've brought it up again in "Sneeze," I wouldn't be surprised if Chloe is shown researching it even more this season. I also can see this season starting to become a little bit of the darker version of Lexmas. So we shall see. The writers know of Chloe's popularity and they aren't going to write her off just because a few people can't stand her character. They have something planned I think.

[Kal-ed]

the last time Chloe did a "human" thing was back in season 2 or 3 when the whole Lionel thing she has been practically flawless since then and I hate Super Chloe, but I like Chloe.

And I dont know about other people, but its has nothing to do with Chloe perse, Clark is a great journalist in the future and it wouldnt be farfetched to show him having some skills besides asking Chloe, and he has a superior intelect that is yet to be seen on the show, again this is not about Chloe, its about how they use her as a plot device to save time on figuring things out and in mean time making Clark look stupid, back in the earlier season, Clark and Chloe figured things out together, but recent dynamics have been Chloe(the brain) figuring out everything, telling it to Clark and the he (the brawl) going of to a break in or to stop someone. So again, I dont want Chloe pushed aside, I want her to have an arc of her own.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
See, that is the problem with Chloe fans in particular. You don't watch the entire show, you just keep counting how many scenes Chloe had or how much time she had with Clark. You fail to realize that Chloe is not the crowd puller. Yes, she may appeal to a group of fans who find the nerd-reporter and Clark's best friend fitting into the "herione" thing, but overall, it won't sell the show at the end of the day.Seriously Farm Girl, these sweeping generalizations that I hear coming from you need to end (cuz as a Chloe fan who it does NOT apply to it kinda pisses me off). Not to mention I could easily quote MANY fans from a certain shipper board that you moderate who fully and openly admit that they faster forward through Lana/Chloe scenes, and don't even watch episodes that don't have EDLois in them. So really, enough of the generalizations.

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by khufu
they faster forward through Lana/Chloe scenes, and don't even watch episodes that don't have EDLois in them. So really, enough of the generalizations.

That wouldn't leave much to watch, I would imagine?:confused:

[Autumn]

Has this suddenly turned into the Chloe bashing thread? Enough already!

I don't think any of the characters are worthless. I also don't think any of the characters should be completely pushed aside.

Chloe deserves a story arc, as does Lois, as does Lana, Lex, Clark, Lionel, Martha, etc...

No one should be pushed aside, so as just to please a ship.

[umm]

Originally posted by Autumn
I think that Chloe's going to get her own arc soon as well. And it's not just going to be as the personal search engine of Clark's.

I hope sure so, as much as I like seeing big strong Clark having to go to Chloe for help, I also want her to have something that's just for her! She has Jimmy, she should get a hobby or a project to investigate that has nothing to do with Clark's world or Smallville, not directly anyway!
I know this is far of the topic, but I read this fanfic a while ago, where the character of Chloe played the drums, and eas a latindance protegé, my point is, TPTb should give Chloe a few hobbies, project, secrets even, which can add more to her personality, besides being a best friend/budding jounalist/Clark search engine/b-leval hacker! She deserves more than that!
As much as I hate to say this, cos I am a big Chloe fan, unless they develop her more into different non - Clark directions, her character will stagnate! She may get by now, because the other characters are still worse developed than her, but soon that won't be enough! One can never have enough development, so TPTB should get started to renew and revamp Chloe!

The writers know of Chloe's popularity and they aren't going to write her off just because a few people can't stand her character. They have something planned I think. [/B]

From your mouth into TPTB's ears!

[shirkie]

In my eyes, Chloe makes the show sparkle. I absolutely adore AM as an actress and think her character is unique and a wonderful addition to the Superman mythos. She does have a large fan base, and cutting her out of the story would be a great mistake. I think we should be patient and see what will be cooking with the FOS and Lionel and whatnot, because Chloe will surely be a part in whatever mysterious dealings are going on there. Yay!
shirkie

[eas]

Originally posted by khufu
Seriously Farm Girl, these sweeping generalizations that I hear coming from you need to end (cuz as a Chloe fan who it does NOT apply to it kinda pisses me off). Not to mention I could easily quote MANY fans from a certain shipper board that you moderate who fully and openly admit that they faster forward through Lana/Chloe scenes, and don't even watch episodes that don't have EDLois in them. So really, enough of the generalizations.

:lol: I admit it... I fast-forward through Lana scenes (unless she's with Lex). And if it's Clana? *snooze*

But I don't fast forward through Chloe scenes. I love Chloe (even though I'm irritated with the direction her character is taking this season). And I can speak for MANY Lois fans that they don't fast forward through Chloe's scenes, either. Chloe is pretty universally loved by Lois fans. And the Chloe/Lois relationship is a fan favorite.

And for the record, I've watched SV since the pilot. I'm a Superman fan & I watch SV because it's a Superman show. Yes, my love for Lois & Clois is part of that -- but it's not the only reason I watch the show. I'll be watching (with gritted teeth) all the episodes that don't have Lois in them. I'll just be wishing she's in them, that's all.

And -- as an aside -- for a person who has admitted that he doesn't like Lois or Clois, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time on Clois/Lois boards. ;)

[LovelyLoisLane]

Originally posted by eas
For the record, I've watched SV since the pilot. I'm a Superman fan & I watch SV because it's a Superman show. Yes, my love for Lois & Clois is part of that -- but it's not the only reason I watch the show. I'll be watching (with gritted teeth) all the episodes that don't have Lois in them. I'll just be wishing she's in them, that's all.

And -- as an aside -- for a person who has admitted that he doesn't like Lois or Clois, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time on Clois/Lois boards. ;)

Maybe Khufu secretly is a Clois shipper but doesn't want anyone to know . . right Khufu? lol Sorry, I'm just teasing. ;)

I've watched it since the Pilot in hopes of seeing Lois Lane just once. I was off the freaking wall when she showed up on a permanent basis. However the show has never gotten me in the way that I feel it should . . . until this season. As I said about "Arrow" (my favorite episode of Smallville EVER) I liked just about everything and that included Lana.

I have liked Chloe but since Season Six, some of the things she has said have made me really mad at her, but she's a fictional character and easily forgiven. Since this season is so good I'm going to let her start off with a clean slate every episode.

Generalizations DISGUST me, mostly because if I don't like a Chlark or Clana scene I'm IMMEDIATELY 'diagnosed' as having the Clois Bug. If anyone around here knew me they could easily tell you how much I DON'T ship Clois. Assuming things just makes a 'you know what' out of you AND me, as the good book (Cell) says.

I'm guilty of having assumptions from time to time however, sometimes it's hard not to, but we should all be able to post our opinions without being accused of having a character bias that prevents us from making posts that have any value.

With that said, I haven't been able to see the episode yet but as soon as I do I will be able to post MY opinion. I know you are all waiting with baited breath ;)

Catch you on the Lois side . .
Triple L. :)


Originally posted by shirkie
cutting her out of the story would be a great mistake

Yes but it should be for good scenes and not just placement to look up things for Clark. I know "I" don't like needless character placement for fan appeasement, even my own.

I'm a HUGE Lois fan but there have been some episodes that she just wasn't needed and did nothing more than just basically stand there looking beautiful.

I'm not saying her scenes thus far have BEEN needless, simply that I'd rather have her absent than have her placed there 'just because'

[eas]

Originally posted by LovelyLoisLane

Generalizations DISGUST me, mostly because if I don't like a Chlark or Clana scene I'm IMMEDIATELY 'diagnosed' as having the Clois Bug. If anyone around here knew me they could easily tell you how much I DON'T ship Clois. Assuming things just makes a 'you know what' out of you AND me, as the good book (Cell) says.

And I agree -- generalizations shouldn't be made by anyone. And it does happen too often that critisizing a character (or scene) can make people jump to the conclusion that it's bashing or because of a certain bias. It doesn't always stem from that -- sometimes a person just might not like the scene or the direction they're taking with a character.

Like Chloe: I am not irritated with her because I'm a Cloiser or a Lois fan. I'm a Chloe fan who is not happy with some of the decisions TPTB have made with regards to her character & the arc they've given her so far.

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by khufu
Seriously Farm Girl, these sweeping generalizations that I hear coming from you need to end (cuz as a Chloe fan who it does NOT apply to it kinda pisses me off). Not to mention I could easily quote MANY fans from a certain shipper board that you moderate who fully and openly admit that they faster forward through Lana/Chloe scenes, and don't even watch episodes that don't have EDLois in them. So really, enough of the generalizations.

There is nothing to be pissed off about. I am talking in terms of Chloe's fans who are thinking that there has been an injustice with AM/Chloe or that Chloe is not getting much screen time, a fan in the beginning of this thread mentioned that less Chloe means bad ratings, I was just replying to this.

Most Chloe fans have dubbed Reunion as a filler episode because there was no Chloe development involved or Chloe didn't have much scenes with Clark, so yes, Chloe fans do have a habit of cutting themselves out from the entire fan following on Chloe related issues.

I've read posts by Chloe fans on various boards that they are counting out the episodes in which "Temp Lois (??)" will appear because they can't stand watching her. So these types of fans exist in all groups and I don't call them real fans of the show.

I am a die-hard ED fan, but I dont watch Smallville ONLY for ED or ED/TW scenes. She will be in 13 episodes only.. so it means I shouldn't watch the rest of the episodes? Offcourse I will watch them! I'll miss her but I will still watch SV because it is my favorite show!!

Just because ED won't appear doesn't mean I won't watch the episode, same thing applies to Chloe fans too, if Chloe was a bit 'pushed aside' or didn't get much screen time because the writers wanted to pay attention to the canon characters doesn't mean that Chloe is left out or that her fans should stop watching.

[yellowqueen22]

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[myankskent]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl


Most Chloe fans have dubbed Reunion as a filler episode because there was no Chloe development involved or Chloe didn't have much scenes with Clark, so yes, Chloe fans do have a habit of cutting themselves out from the entire fan following on Chloe related issues.


I'm not going to comment on what the fans think since that is forbidden, but I really don't see the big deal with Chloe's character not having a lot of screentime during this episode, especially since she did interact with Clark and the whole episode ended on the two of them looking at the satellite photos. Now I can understand if people feel that Chloe is being phased out a little, but the fact of the matter is that she will ALWAYS have plenty of scenes with Clark because she is the only one who knows about his secret. Until she dies or someone else finds out about him, their friendship will remain an important part of the show in some capacity. Perhaps the screentime will be effected, since we saw so much of this friendship in season 5 and I think that it's time to show other things, but from this thread, you'd think that Chloe and Clark have been in no scenes together for the last two episodes.

[ms.c.]

It's season 4 all over again. They are cutting back on Chloe to put some guest star up front. And it's still a HUGE mistake.

[Sk8erGur1]

Chloe was where she was supposed to be -- at her SUPER!PC looking up info (as usual) until the end of the episode where she proivided Clark with information.

[ms.c.]

Chloe has a lot of fans that's why she wins so many popularity contests (Teen Choice Award, Ksite, E!) and if the producers were smart, they'd keep Chloe front and center like they did in Seaon 5.

[TheEradicator6]

Originally posted by BigJoe
seems to me that lois is taking over the Chloe role more. meaning that lois and clark are teaming up now, more then Clark and Chloe.

hey come on pete, chloe and clark could do it before... lois, chloe and clark can do it now. plus, chloe knows the secret.

I want to see them all try to figure something out while chloe tries to keep lois from finding out the secret- that would be good.


Originally posted by eas
:lol: I admit it... I fast-forward through Lana scenes (unless she's with Lex). And if it's Clana? *snooze*

But I don't fast forward through Chloe scenes. I love Chloe (even though I'm irritated with the direction her character is taking this season). And I can speak for MANY Lois fans that they don't fast forward through Chloe's scenes, either. Chloe is pretty universally loved by Lois fans. And the Chloe/Lois relationship is a fan favorite.

And for the record, I've watched SV since the pilot. I'm a Superman fan & I watch SV because it's a Superman show. Yes, my love for Lois & Clois is part of that -- but it's not the only reason I watch the show. I'll be watching (with gritted teeth) all the episodes that don't have Lois in them. I'll just be wishing she's in them, that's all.

And -- as an aside -- for a person who has admitted that he doesn't like Lois or Clois, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time on Clois/Lois boards. ;)

HAHA yay Clois. I like it, but the Chlark is fun too.

[vikingjedi]

I don't like the direction its going. Seems like Lois is trying to take Chloe's life. First as a reporter and then eventually Clark who Chloe has had a crush on forever. There could be some really bad times down the road if it continues. I could see them getting into it. Chloe loves Lois like a sister but that doesn't mean she's going to sit back and let Lois move in on her life.

[Sk8erGur1]

How is Lois trying to take Clark from Chloe? Chloe never had Clark. Never will.

[Kyogre]

Who cares about chloe?
imo she shouldve been killed off last season
bring on lois!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Sk8erGur1
How is Lois trying to take Clark from Chloe? Chloe never had Clark. Never will.
vikingjedi's quote says:...'Seems like Lois is trying to take Chloe's life.' I think there is definitely some truth in there. This statement does not have to be interpreted romantically. Chloe and Clark share something special and spend a lot of quality time together... I was surprised myself, but there was a surprising amount of dialogues in these last few episodes that were hinting at some kind of rivalry, potentially even jealousy between the two cousins. It is indeed possible, that Lois spending more time with Clark as reporters, would create tensions. Not that I like that...


Originally posted by Kyogre
Who cares about chloe?
I do.

[gogeta]

Chloe is an important part of Smallville, I don't see that changing because she was in a few scenes for the last two episodes. This is only the fifth ep, we have a long ways to go for more Chloe.

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
I don't like the direction its going. Seems like Lois is trying to take Chloe's life. First as a reporter and then eventually Clark who Chloe has had a crush on forever. There could be some really bad times down the road if it continues. I could see them getting into it. Chloe loves Lois like a sister but that doesn't mean she's going to sit back and let Lois move in on her life.

:rotfl: And what is your take on the theory that used to say that Chloe should steal her cousin's name and become Lois?

Seriously, being Chloe fan is one thing, but everyone who watches Smallville knows that it is based on Superman and Lois Lane is the female hero of this story. Chloe has no comparison with her at all.

Lois doesn't have to move on into anyone's life. She is way too special herself. She always was destined to become a reporter and she is becoming one...

Chloe is the writers creation.. they can do whatever they want with her.. Lex, Clark and Lois are the major characters of the mythos and they are the future..

Things like Lois taking over Chloe's life are childish things to say. No one is taking anyone's life. The writers are bringing Lois as the important character because she is supposed to be.

[shirkie]

This thread is supposed to be about Chloe, not Lois.
shirkie