That's ********

[gj430]

What did you think of the Superman reference, lying to protect the people he loves?

[cmm]

Bit corny but it didnt' bother me

[MidgardDragon]

Lois' response to that was hilarious. Loved it.

[Lexgirl33]

sooo.......comic book like :D

[lilkoolmaria]

That is... totally retarded.

Haha, no, but really, I loved it.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

That was funny! *smiles* although I usually don't like 'retarded' being used to describe something... but it was still funny.

[thehenry89]

why couldn't lana have said that the million times clark used that line on her :lol:

[muffinpeddler]

I absolutely loved Lois' response!

[King of all Media]

Great job characterizing Lois there.

[Acordyia]

I

[liana]

So completely Lois Lane.;)

[Acordyia]

sorry... I loved Lois in that scene, so funny.

[chlarklove]

And so completely offensive.

[Deana]

I love how Lois does not baby Clark. That line was great. When he says something stupid she calls him on it. Because that decision is dumb.

[StealthyMakoto]

Hehe that response was good... everyone else would have just agreed with the somewhat 'sappy' line Clark threw out there, but... not Lois haha.

[eas]

It was hilarious -- and very succinctly pointed out the difference between Lana/Chloe & Lois. Both Chloe & Lana used to be so melodramatic about Clark's "secrets and lies". And when he tries to pull the same 'ole dialogues on her, Lois's reaction is completely the opposite. She pauses, thinks about it for a second, laughs and calls it 'retarded'.

:lol: Priceless.

[Xxxkalel69]

That moment was priceless, if kinda feels like a lana moment that lois is going to a speech about how if you really love me lol .....


but no it was a lois lane moment lol

[smallvillerocks45]

Yeah, I normally don't like the use of the word "retarded" either, but, the timing of the line made it tolerable, funny even. Moreover, it's refreshing to see that someone can be honest with Clark without being hurtful.

[eas]

^^

Exactly!! I was waiting for the typical "Smallville" speech where Lois goes off on how "real" relationships are built on trust, honesty and blah, blah, blah...

And, instead, we're handed this classic Lois Lane line. And Clark's answering grin is awesome. Like he thinks about it and realizes that she's right -- his explanation was retarded. :lol:

[jacintexas]

Originally posted by gj430
What did you think of the Superman reference, lying to protect the people he loves?

technically he didn't say lying.. he said keeping secrets to protect the ones we love.. which isn't lying unless one lies to keep it..

[eas]

Originally posted by smallvillerocks45
Yeah, I normally don't like the use of the word "retarded" either, but, the timing of the line made it tolerable, funny even. Moreover, it's refreshing to see that someone can be honest with Clark without being hurtful.

Yes, the word is a bit out there. But it is used in a slang sense quite often. And I think that her delivery of the line made it work. Almost like she thought it was soo funny that she couldn't think of any other word for it. And I think I wasn't offended by it because Clark wasn't offended by it. He started grinning & that kind of showed the humor in the whole thing.

[Kal-ed]

I love that she doesnt let him get away with his usual bull, so ILL

[chlarklove]

I'm gonna quote something that someone posted in another thread that I thought was rather interesting.


Originally posted by savingpeoplething

"Reunion":
Clark: Sometimes, in order to protect the people we love, we keep secrets.
EDLois: That is...totally retarded.

"Pariah":
Chloe: Lois, if you found out something, something someone didn’t want you to know about them, would you tell them?
Lois: That depends. Is that person someone you care about?
Chloe: Yeah.
Lois: And does keeping the secret hurt anyone?
[Chloe thinks about it.]
Chloe: No.
Lois: Then my answer is no. If I really cared about that person, I wouldn’t tell them that I knew. But I would go out of my way to be supportive of them so that hopefully, one day, they would be comfortable enough to tell me themselves.

Wow. What she said to Clark was quite a far cry from the advice she gave to Chloe in Pariah. And weren't people PRAISING her for that advice? And now people are praising this from Reunion as well? I smell a double standard here.

[KEakaCK]

That was a kodak moment between lois and clark...I loved it. :lol:

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by chlarklove
Wow. What she said to Clark was quite a far cry from the advice she gave to Chloe in Pariah. And weren't people PRAISING her for that advice? And now people are praising this from Reunion as well? I smell a double standard here.

Yeah both things are in diferent context cant be compared. Also Clark was starting to drift towards the brooding path, Lois saw that, thats why she stoped to think, I got the impresion she was about to give it a serious response but saw Clark and realized a little humor would do him better, than the regular pitty other people give him, and well once again, Lois makes Clark smile, that seems to be a constant.

He really needs people like Lois and Ollie to question him, and push him rather than just letting him feel sorry for himself, or making himself a martyr like Ollie stressed in Arrow. Superman would give his life 1000 times to save earth, even to save one single human, but he has never acted or considered himself a martyr and I like people not letting him get away with it.

[seaelm2]

Originally posted by chlarklove
I'm gonna quote something that someone posted in another thread that I thought was rather interesting.



Wow. What she said to Clark was quite a far cry from the advice she gave to Chloe in Pariah. And weren't people PRAISING her for that advice? And now people are praising this from Reunion as well? I smell a double standard here.

You have to look at the context each response was used in. Her snippy line to Clark is very characteristic of their dynamic. Lois and Clark's relationship to this point has been coy, it is about what they are NOT saying. Not every female automatically launches into a diatribe about the serious nature of relationship at the drop of a hat with casual male friends. In other words not every female is Lana.
On the other hand, with Lois and Chloe are cousins. Their relationship naturally lends itself to deeper discussions concerning feelings and decsions.

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Yeah both things are in diferent context cant be compared. Also Clark was starting to drift towards the brooding path, Lois saw that, thats why she stoped to think, I got the impresion she was about to give it a serious response but saw Clark and realized a little humor would do him better, than the regular pitty other people give him, and well once again, Lois makes Clark smile, that seems to be a constant.

That's a fanwank.

In Pariah, she's telling Chloe to keep it a secret from Clark.

In Reunion, Clark tells "Lois" that sometimes people keep secrets to protect the ones they love and she calls it RETARDED.

It completely contradicts her advice she gave to Chloe. Why would she think it's retarded now, when she was telling Chloe to KEEP A SECRET because it wouldn't hurt the person and just wait for that person to tell her when they were ready back then?


He really needs people like Lois and Ollie to question him, and push him rather than just letting him feel sorry for himself, or making himself a martyr like Ollie stressed in Arrow. Superman would give his life 1000 times to save earth, even to save one single human, but he has never acted or considered himself a martyr and I like people not letting him get away with it.

And Chloe doesn't do that? Right okay. The difference is, Chloe ENCOURAGES Clark and makes him feel good about himself. She doesn't INSULT him.

[boywithbluehanger]

I could have enjoyed that line more if I wasn't aware of how many people have told me they find the word 'retarded' offensive.

But everyone's a critic anyway so...

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by chlarklove
That's a fanwank.

In Pariah, she's telling Chloe to keep it a secret from Clark.

In Reunion, Clark tells "Lois" that sometimes people keep secrets to protect the ones they love and she calls it RETARDED.

It completely contradicts her advice she gave to Chloe. Why would she think it's retarded now, when she was telling Chloe to KEEP A SECRET because it wouldn't hurt the person and just wait for that person to tell her when they were ready back then?

I think that it was totally OOC for Temp Lois she beleives the same thing about secrets but called it retarded...but again it might means that as long as the secret are not kept from her is ok to have them it could be a trait of Lana 2.0...and anybody noticed how she try to look for the answers even though it was clear to her that Ollie didn't wanted to talk about it...And yet nobody call her Nosey.
I'm thinking in legally changing my name to Lois Lane...I could get away with a lot of things with that name
;)

[JD2]

Great line and foreshadows Lois and Clark's future relationship

[Kal-ed]

But Chloe gets him get away with his self pitty, which was what I was talking about.

fanwank?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ANd again, rewatch the scene, CONTEXT. in history in economics, in Chemestry, etc. nothing has the same results in diferent Contexts, you cant have Lois answering the same thing two diferent times even if the issue is related, the ocation wasnt proper for a deep discussion about truth and honesty.


Originally posted by seaelm2
You have to look at the context each response was used in. Her snippy line to Clark is very characteristic of their dynamic. Lois and Clark's relationship to this point has been coy, it is about what they are NOT saying. Not every female automatically launches into a diatribe about the serious nature of relationship at the drop of a hat with casual male friends. In other words not every female is Lana.
On the other hand, with Lois and Chloe are cousins. Their relationship naturally lends itself to deeper discussions concerning feelings and decsions.


Oh you got the context thing, couldnt agree with you more :)


Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
I'm thinking in legally changing my name to Lois Lane...I could get away with a lot of things with that name
;)

You should try Chloe, she gets away with a lot more.

[eas]

Originally posted by chlarklove
I'm gonna quote something that someone posted in another thread that I thought was rather interesting.

Wow. What she said to Clark was quite a far cry from the advice she gave to Chloe in Pariah. And weren't people PRAISING her for that advice? And now people are praising this from Reunion as well? I smell a double standard here.

There's no double standard. Chloe was talking about someone else's secret. Clark was talking about keeping secrets about himself from someone he loves. Lois is actually being consistent in her advice in both situations.

Remember -- she was talking about not understanding why Oliver felt he couldn't confide in her. So, Lois's ultimate opinion is that when a person loves someone, they should trust that individual with the truth about themselves.

In one case, Lois tells Chloe that she should keep quiet in hopes that the person will trust Chloe enough to reveal their secrets to her themselves. Or, if they don't, Chloe should do the ethical thing and keep quiet about it.

And, in the other case, she's telling Clark that his reason for keeping secrets (i.e. protection) is not a good reason if he truly loves that person.

It's funny b/c both conversations are about the same secret -- just from different perspectives. One perspective is from Clark (keeping the secrets) and the other is Chloe (finding out that she's been lied to & now she knows the secret).

So, imo, I think Lois's advice doesn't contradict itself at all.

[Atomic girl]

I seriously was waiting for Lois to pull off her costume and reveal herself as Lana.

Seriously, since Lana was knocked out in the hospital they had to have Lois deliver her lines. All I can say is at least they were delivered with humor and she didn't stick around to discuss it further, thereby at least letting us pretend that maybe she didn't really believe her own words.

I think in that same conversation with Chloe, Lois said, "I've learned people keep secrets for a reason..." so unless she's had some major thing change her mind, she is definitely contradicting herself.

Mostly I like what the writers are doing with Lois, but anybody can slip.

[vuec]

I loved that scene. Yeah it contradicts what she might have said in the past, but come on people, they're people as well. And besides, the 2 are totally different. The advice to Chloe is about if you knew about SOMEONE ELSES secret. The one she gave Clark is about keeping secrets because you feel you are protecting others from your secrets.

[eas]

Originally posted by chlarklove

And Chloe doesn't do that? Right okay. The difference is, Chloe ENCOURAGES Clark and makes him feel good about himself. She doesn't INSULT him.

Chloe coddles him. Treats him like a kid even more than Martha does.

I don't see Lois as insulting Clark. He sure didn't look insulted to me after she made this comment. He seemed to think it was funny. Lois and Clark have a relationship that's filled with comments and retorts. That's just the way it is. Overall, I thought Lois was actually really nice to Clark -- like when she told him to stop beating himself up over Lana's decision.

[Atomic girl]

To add to what the previous post says, Oliver's secret didn't just apply to him. He has tried to be honorable in his dealings today, and this may well have been an extension of that. The "secret" had to do with Lex to, and he was already on the outs with him, no need to make that worse. And Lionel was on to him too. Oliver can't speak for Lex, and has no right to out him to.

Sorry that was written quickly, so I hope it's not too confusing.

[buffywill07]

i love Lois.. that was just funny..
anyways don't care bout the complains
other people post here

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
I think in that same conversation with Chloe, Lois said, "I've learned people keep secrets for a reason..." so unless she's had some major thing change her mind, she is definitely contradicting herself.

That's EXACTLY what she said. And thank you!

[eas]

Originally posted by Kal-ed

You should try Chloe, she gets away with a lot more.

:lol:

Too true. The girl checks out her cousin's boyfriend & she's lauded. Had Lois done that, there would have been 50 hate threads in an instant.


Originally posted by Atomic girl
To add to what the previous post says, Oliver's secret didn't just apply to him. He has tried to be honorable in his dealings today, and this may well have been an extension of that. The "secret" had to do with Lex to, and he was already on the outs with him, no need to make that worse. And Lionel was on to him too. Oliver can't speak for Lex, and has no right to out him to.

Sorry that was written quickly, so I hope it's not too confusing.

So...do you mean that Lois should think that Oliver had a good reason to not tell her what was going on? Because he had to protect the other guys?

[Deana]

Originally posted by eas
There's no double standard. Chloe was talking about someone else's secret. Clark was talking about keeping secrets about himself from someone he loves. Lois is actually being consistent in her advice in both situations.

Remember -- she was talking about not understanding why Oliver felt he couldn't confide in her. So, Lois's ultimate opinion is that when a person loves someone, they should trust that individual with the truth about themselves.

In one case, Lois tells Chloe that she should keep quiet in hopes that the person will trust Chloe enough to reveal their secrets to her themselves. Or, if they don't, Chloe should do the ethical thing and keep quiet about it.

And, in the other case, she's telling Clark that his reason for keeping secrets (i.e. protection) is not a good reason if he truly loves that person.

It's funny b/c both conversations are about the same secret -- just from different perspectives. One perspective is from Clark (keeping the secrets) and the other is Chloe (finding out that she's been lied to & now she knows the secret).

So, imo, I think Lois's advice doesn't contradict itself at all.

I totally agree with this. ^_^

[Atomic girl]

I think Lois writes for the Inquisitor, not known for it's attention to detail. She been seeing this guy a couple of weeks, and now Oliver's friends are getting hurt. But for some strange reason Oliver needs to feel comfortable bearing his past to her, including when it could hurt others.

He's treating the situation the way anyone with his kind of exposure has had to. He knows what the press does to people like him.

[Spirit Detective]

I loved that line!

:rotfl:

Lois just pwned Lana by saying that. It really shows how stupid Lana really was.

[eas]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
I think Lois writes for the Inquisitor, not known for it's attention to detail. She been seeing this guy a couple of weeks, and now Oliver's friends are getting hurt. But for some strange reason Oliver needs to feel comfortable bearing his past to her, including when it could hurt others.

He's treating the situation the way anyone with his kind of exposure has had to. He knows what the press does to people like him.
I see what you're saying. But I didn't see Oliver protecting Lex or the other guys as much as he was protecting himself. I didn't see him viewing Lois as a reporter at that stage.

I think he saw her as a girl that he really likes, might even be falling in love with. The beginning stages of a relationship are pretty fragile and I think he was ashamed to discuss his past with her.

Even Lois doesn't think ihe hid from her because of her reporting -- she says, "we've all done things we're ashamed of..." and when Oliver talks to Lex, he tells Lex that he's not proud of who he was back then. And he also tells Lex that he's spent his whole life trying to wash his hands clean since that incident.

I think he just didn't want his new girlfriend to see the Oliver than existed back then. Because that Oliver wasn't a nice guy & he doesn't want Lois to judge him for his actions back then. And Lois is irked because she's not the sort of girl who would judge him for it -- and she thinks he should have figured that out.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
I seriously was waiting for Lois to pull off her costume and reveal herself as Lana.

Seriously, since Lana was knocked out in the hospital they had to have Lois deliver her lines. All I can say is at least they were delivered with humor and she didn't stick around to discuss it further, thereby at least letting us pretend that maybe she didn't really believe her own words.


Really????

Lana would have been all over Clark about honesty, and how can he keep things from the ones he loves, and "Oh you dont love me enough cause you dont trust me" and blah blah blah, Lois did the exact oposite Lana would have done.

[Atomic girl]

I really think Oliver's motivation was keeping Lois safe. Lana was hurt, and last week she was kind of "kidnapped" because of him. I'm sure he felt somewhat responsible.


Originally posted by Kal-ed
Really????

Lana would have been all over Clark about honesty, and how can he keep things from the ones he loves, and "Oh you dont love me enough cause you dont trust me" and blah blah blah, Lois did the exact oposite Lana would have done.

She still gave him grief over keeping secrets. That's definitely Lana territory. And she wasn't talking to the person who kept the secret from her, she was talking to Clark.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
To add to what the previous post says, Oliver's secret didn't just apply to him. He has tried to be honorable in his dealings today, and this may well have been an extension of that. The "secret" had to do with Lex to, and he was already on the outs with him, no need to make that worse. And Lionel was on to him too. Oliver can't speak for Lex, and has no right to out him to.

Sorry that was written quickly, so I hope it's not too confusing.

Further more, and eas is completely right and I couldnt exactly explain it in my posts, somehow I though it was Clear, but here is where one (of the many) diferences between contexts of Pariah and Reunion:

In Pariah Chloe was talking about SOMEONE ELSES SECRET.
In Reunion Clark was talking about YOUR OWN SECRET.

THings change when its not YOUR (as in general you) secret than when its someone elses, so it cant be double standard there not even the same situation. There is a big diference in keeping a secret of you own and keeping a friends secret.

[Atomic girl]

I understand your reasoning, but I think Oliver keeping this secret was also keeping Lex's secret. I also don't think you owe someone you've been dating for a couple of weeks, and really don't know all that well, a detailed account of your past history. The fact that she writes for a disreputable paper only adds to the apprehension. At this point, we know Lois way better than Ollie.

When Lois gave Chloe some advice, she didn't really know the context either, we did as viewers. When hypotheticals are asked, many times some of the specifics are changed to "protect" the innocent. At the end of the conversation, Lois asked Chloe if she had anything to tell her. (This only makes sense if Lois knew something about Chloe and was asking her to come clean.) It didn't really go with the conversation if you knew exactly what Chloe was talking about, but Lois didn't, even though we did. I took Lois's advice a little more generic than most it seems.

And in all fairness to Clark, he was trying to cover for Oliver, not himself this time. Why would he get upset over what he said on behalf of Oliver that may or may not be correct?

[Kal-ed]

Its like when someone goes to a doctor and says stuff like: "Sooo, Doctor... I have a friend, that kissed 4 guys in one night, could that be considered dangerous to her health" (just an example) and the doctor knows she is usind the friend as a proyection, Lois Knew it wasnt hypotetical and new Chloe learned someones secret (Im sure she had no clue as to who´s ) but she knew Chloe was keeping someone elses secret.

And your right he was protecting Ollie, and I liked that, Clark has been shown as less and less selfish this season.

[Supergirl Jam]

Originally posted by chlarklove
I'm gonna quote something that someone posted in another thread that I thought was rather interesting.



Wow. What she said to Clark was quite a far cry from the advice she gave to Chloe in Pariah. And weren't people PRAISING her for that advice? And now people are praising this from Reunion as well? I smell a double standard here.

Oh No! Here comes the Chlarkers. Have to come and ruin the nice comments we loved from lois just because it wasn't from Chloe. Why are you guys always being negative when it comes to Lois or Clois. Why can't we all just get along? :\

[ShelbyKent]

Wow. What she said to Clark was quite a far cry from the advice she gave to Chloe in Pariah. And weren't people PRAISING her for that advice? And now people are praising this from Reunion as well? I smell a double standard here.

I disagree with you.

In Pariah, Lois advised Chloe that it wouldn't be wise for Chloe to call on another person (Clark) on his secret. Said other person should be the one to reveal the secret when he's good and ready and trusts you enough to do so. No badgering, no drama, no guilt-tripping said other person into revealing his secret. And in this instance, Chloe told Lois that the secret is not hurting anyone. So pressuring the other person into telling the secret isn't the way to go. You have to support and earn that other person's trust .It also applies that it wouldn't be kosher to blab the other person's secret to someone else.

In Reunion, when Lois said "That is ....totally retarded!", it was in reference to the person with the secret's decision to keep the secret from the one's you love in order to protect them. Lois probably thinks that this decision would cause more hurt (literally and figuratively) in the long-run of a relationship. But in keeping with her advice to Chloe, Lois won't badger or cajole the secret keeper into revealing the secret. So in typical Lois fashion, she expresses her opinion in a tart yet humorous manner and replies, "That is...totally retarded!" Which is exactly what Clark needed to hear to cut-off is impending brood-fest.



Originally posted by savingpeoplething

"Reunion":
Clark: Sometimes, in order to protect the people we love, we keep secrets.
EDLois: That is...totally retarded.

"Pariah":
Chloe: Lois, if you found out something, something someone didn’t want you to know about them, would you tell them?
Lois: That depends. Is that person someone you care about?
Chloe: Yeah.
Lois: And does keeping the secret hurt anyone?
[Chloe thinks about it.]
Chloe: No.
Lois: Then my answer is no. If I really cared about that person, I wouldn’t tell them that I knew. But I would go out of my way to be supportive of them so that hopefully, one day, they would be comfortable enough to tell me themselves.

And I agree with Supergirl Jam, we should all get along. Lois and Chloe are my 2 favorite characters on the show. Peace y'all :)

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Lois' response to that was hilarious. Loved it.

Me too. She actually got Clark to smile about that. What he's been angsting over for 5+ years!!! LOL!

[wraith808]

Originally posted by chlarklove
I'm gonna quote something that someone posted in another thread that I thought was rather interesting.



Wow. What she said to Clark was quite a far cry from the advice she gave to Chloe in Pariah. And weren't people PRAISING her for that advice? And now people are praising this from Reunion as well? I smell a double standard here.

The contexts are different. One is keeping something from someone to protect them... I'd agree with her. In general, you (and I'm talking to you Clark) keep stuff from people to protect yourself. If you find something out, that's a totally different context. It's something that the person kept from you for a reason. So you go and confront them about it? No... because it would put them on the defensive and in general turn out bad. Totally different.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Deana
When he says something stupid she calls him on it. Because that decision is dumb.

Her comment though....came off as really stupid itself....at least to me. She just quenched a story to protect Oliver (thus keeping a secret.....not buying the "bad taste" story bit), and then instantly says this. I actually started laughing. The killing of the story seemed out of character for Lois Lane......but it made her very likable.....until she inserted the retarded foot in her mouth. Well, it took Lana 5+ seasons to figure it out ("we all have our secrets"), hopefully Lois learns it sooner........ehhh....I doubt it.

But having said that......whether keeping secrets are justified or not....I believe.....depends on the circumstances. So maybe, Lois' remark isn't as retarded as I thought......still retarded....just not as much.

[wraith808]

She didn't do it to protect Oliver... she did it because she thought it was bad taste to exploit a victim like that when it had a bad ending... Clark even asked her if Oliver was the reason...

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by wraith808
She didn't do it to protect Oliver... she did it because she thought it was bad taste to exploit a victim like that when it had a bad ending... Clark even asked her if Oliver was the reason...

Sorry, not buying it......anybody else....especially if it had been someone like Lionel who had done what Lex & Ollie had?......That would be front page news!

[Son of Kal-El20]

I thought what Clark said was just fine. Not retarded at all. Frankly, idk about everyone else, but telling the whole world you're alien or a superhero just would not cut it and would get you killed or exiled( look at the X-Men).

So yeah, I didn't think Clark's line was retarded. But hey, everyone thinks that anything that comes out of Superman's mouth is retarded.

[AlwaysAround]

I loved Lois and her response to the sappy and typical Lana fodder that Clark would usually spout off to her. Lois called it like it was though. and that's why I love her character. If you really do truely love and trust someone (and do more than just give it lip service) then you should have no secrets kept from them. There comes a time eventually when you have to be honest and tell the truth once and for all. You shouldn't need to be dishonest to them. I think Clark really realized she was right and her calling it strait was completely Lois Lane style.

Plus was that a little Lois and Clark investigating that we watched!!? I am thrilled to have seen that. The Lane and Kent team working together for the very first time! Nice to see we are finally getting somewhere.

[Son of Kal-El20]

Clark has a reason to keep his secret from everyone. He's an alien. And racism is high on Earth.

Oliver could probably tell someone he loves about his secret. But Clark. No. Big no. Unless of course he wants a specially trained strike team equipped with kryptonite bullets to come after him.

[SoulCystic]

Originally posted by thehenry89
why couldn't lana have said that the million times clark used that line on her :lol:

Because Lana is no Lois. That's the difference.

[superpal1]

Loved the line.Totally a Lois Lane moment.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Ah, the response...

I wonder how she would responde if it was HER secret.

I love how people take things out of context.

We ahve to assume that Lois, when Clark said this, would think of potential lies that people say to "not hut those they love", the silly lies or even the hurtful lies ( stupid affairs, drunken mistake,etc.)

I wonder if she would be able to grasp the significance of a little bitty lie like:
I AM AN ALIEN FROM ANOTHER PLANET WITH ALMOST UNLIMITED POWERS AND CAN RULE THE WORLD IF I CHOOSE TO !!

Or:

I am a vigilante superhero that saves lives and fight crime, but on the side I am a wealthy billionaire with 1000's of people to employ and a woman I am very fond of, both of which would be greatly harmed,perhaps killed, if people found out.

heck, Lois ddin't know who the GA was and she still was almost killed !


Perspective people, Clark and Oliver's "lies" are not the typical, " I did your sister in a moment of weakness", or "yes Maggie, there is a Santa Claus".


In the retarded refernce was uncalled for, she is educated and THAT was the best term she could come up with?
Shame on the writers.

[aft06]

I thought it was great. I love how Lois is the one who gets Clark to smile.

people are just mad that Lois and Clark shared a moment again in this episode and not Clark and Chloe.

Maybe people should just start to realize the writing is already on the wall.

[eas]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin

Perspective people, Clark and Oliver's "lies" are not the typical, " I did your sister in a moment of weakness", or "yes Maggie, there is a Santa Claus".


In the retarded refernce was uncalled for, she is educated and THAT was the best term she could come up with?
Shame on the writers.

That would be fine -- if she knew that's what Clark was thinking about.

Clark's response was to Lois's comment that "everyone does things they're ashamed of..." and Lois was specifically talking about Oliver being a bully in high school. Not exactly epic "we must save the world and keep everyone safe" kind of a secret, there. Just a random, "I'm not going to tell my new girlfriend that I accidentally caused someone's death & gave dorks wedgies back in the day...."

So Clark's melodramatic response, "Sometimes we keep secrets to protect the ones we love" was completely BS. It had nothing to do with anything & didn't justify Oliver's actions at all. As viewers, we (of course) know that Clark is taking about the bigger picture, but Lois didn't. So, she thought about what he said and responded that it was retarded, because (honestly) it was.

And her choice of wording? Maybe not ideal, but the term is used in American slang & so she used it in that manner. I don't think it's a big deal. And Clark obviously realized how dumb he sounded, too, because he laughed after she left.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I agree 100% lois.
Its retarded to keep secrets from those you love.
Good writing.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by eas
That would be fine -- if she knew that's what Clark was thinking about.

Clark's response was to Lois's comment that "everyone does things they're ashamed of..." and Lois was specifically talking about Oliver being a bully in high school. Not exactly epic "we must save the world and keep everyone safe" kind of a secret, there. Just a random, "I'm not going to tell my new girlfriend that I accidentally caused someone's death & gave dorks wedgies back in the day...."

So Clark's melodramatic response, "Sometimes we keep secrets to protect the ones we love" was completely BS. It had nothing to do with anything & didn't justify Oliver's actions at all. As viewers, we (of course) know that Clark is taking about the bigger picture, but Lois didn't. So, she thought about what he said and responded that it was retarded, because (honestly) it was.

And her choice of wording? Maybe not ideal, but the term is used in American slang & so she used it in that manner. I don't think it's a big deal. And Clark obviously realized how dumb he sounded, too, because he laughed after she left.

My post was direct more towards the posters that agree with what she said in regards to Clark, rather than the context.

While I agree that Lois replied to what Clark said base on the circumstance of the time, I still find it quite amazing how people are so trusting on this website.
Truth ! truth and more truth ! they demand !

Wow, I must be a real Butt, because I believe that, before we go spouting things that can have a huge impact not only on our lives but on the lives of those we love, that we must exercise discreetion and view the big picture as opposed to simply the short term.

[amberdawn]

There's really an argument about this? :\

[wraith808]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Sorry, not buying it......anybody else....especially if it had been someone like Lionel who had done what Lex & Ollie had?......That would be front page news!

You might not buy it, but that's what was said in the episode, with no indication that she was being disingenuous.

[Fly by guy]

It was one of my favorite Lois moments. She summed up in quick fashion that guys have no idea of how to react around girls. Basically, we're socially handicapped.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
I disagree with you.

In Pariah, Lois advised Chloe that it wouldn't be wise for Chloe to call on another person (Clark) on his secret. Said other person should be the one to reveal the secret when he's good and ready and trusts you enough to do so. No badgering, no drama, no guilt-tripping said other person into revealing his secret. And in this instance, Chloe told Lois that the secret is not hurting anyone. So pressuring the other person into telling the secret isn't the way to go. You have to support and earn that other person's trust .It also applies that it wouldn't be kosher to blab the other person's secret to someone else.

In Reunion, when Lois said "That is ....totally retarded!", it was in reference to the person with the secret's decision to keep the secret from the one's you love in order to protect them. Lois probably thinks that this decision would cause more hurt (literally and figuratively) in the long-run of a relationship. But in keeping with her advice to Chloe, Lois won't badger or cajole the secret keeper into revealing the secret. So in typical Lois fashion, she expresses her opinion in a tart yet humorous manner and replies, "That is...totally retarded!" Which is exactly what Clark needed to hear to cut-off is impending brood-fest.




And I agree with Supergirl Jam, we should all get along. Lois and Chloe are my 2 favorite characters on the show. Peace y'all :)

Good point! I like what you said here, and I agree.:)


Originally posted by amberdawn
There's really an argument about this? :\

It's Smallville, we argue about everything here don't we?;) :)

[eas]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin

Wow, I must be a real Butt, because I believe that, before we go spouting things that can have a huge impact not only on our lives but on the lives of those we love, that we must exercise discreetion and view the big picture as opposed to simply the short term.

Well, I agree with you on that. But I think Lois agrees with you too (based on what she said to Chloe back when Chloe asked her for advice).

But I don't see how it's relevant to what she said to Clark? I'm sorry, I think I'm just not understanding -- I know you've explained it, but I don't see the connection.

Because I didn't see this situation as being something that needed to be hidden from Lois by Oliver for the "greater good". It was simply something that happened to Oliver when he was in high school. I don't think that Oliver sharing this with Lois would have had a huge impact on the lives of anyone. It just would have brought them closer as a couple.

So, I do agree with Lois's reaction to what Clark said. He was going off on one of his philosophical, general, random opinions (because, really, it's all about him and his guilt) & she gives him a reality check. I loved it.


Originally posted by Son of Kal-El20
I thought what Clark said was just fine. Not retarded at all. Frankly, idk about everyone else, but telling the whole world you're alien or a superhero just would not cut it and would get you killed or exiled( look at the X-Men).

So yeah, I didn't think Clark's line was retarded. But hey, everyone thinks that anything that comes out of Superman's mouth is retarded.

Clark's line wasn't retarded when we know he's talking about his life & how he's an alien. Lois doesn't know that -- she took his words at face value & within the context of her relationship with Ollie, his words were BS. And she called him on it, typical Lois Lane style.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Clark made a comment/voiced an opinion on something in general, Lois counters with a rude comment that was applicable to something in specific.

Very Lois indeed.

Now this is not ragging on Lois, that is her character.
I am sort of "sideing" with Clark and Oliver in regards to keeping those types of secrets and I don't undertand who some people KNOWING the reasons behind the lies, have issues with them lying.

[Krypton935]

That was hilarious!!!! I cracked up when she said that! Loved it!

[Joelito]

Lois Lane pwned :D

She's my LL alright :p

[Tomsgurl88]

"Totally Retarted" LOL i freakin love Lois!!!

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Clark made a comment/voiced an opinion on something in general, Lois counters with a rude comment that was applicable to something in specific.Very Lois indeed.
Now this is not ragging on Lois, that is her character.
I am sort of "sideing" with Clark and Oliver in regards to keeping those types of secrets and I don't undertand who some people KNOWING the reasons behind the lies, have issues with them lying.

Correct me if I am wrong, but what I think you're saying is that it was unfair of Lois to utter the "That's so...retarded" line because she has no idea how "big" of a secret Clark is hiding. In your words, Clark's secret is


"I AM AN ALIEN FROM ANOTHER PLANET WITH ALMOST UNLIMITED POWERS AND CAN RULE THE WORLD IF I CHOOSE TO !!"

And you also sympathize with Oliver because his secret is a "major" one as well, which is, to quote you again:


I am a vigilante superhero that saves lives and fight crime, but on the side I am a wealthy billionaire with 1000's of people to employ and a woman I am very fond of, both of which would be greatly harmed,perhaps killed, if people found out

I agree that those are not your run-of-the-mill secrets, but who's to judge which secret carries the greater weight? To the people one genuinely cares about, are those secrets more important/have a greater impact than other types of secrets such as

--In Olivers case: I was a reprehensible @$$hole in school and I was the ring leader of the school's meanest bullies. I stole exam answers from my teacher. My bullying inadvertently resulted in the death of one of my classmates. And I may have also played a part in developing young Lex's sociopathic & murderous tendencies.

---In Lex's case: I was so desperate for acceptance at school that I sold out my one and only best friend. I was willing to be be friends with the very people who made me miserable. Not only that. I was so unscrupulous that I was willing to beat my best friend to death just so I could stop him from his snitching on my new "in-crowd" buddies.And beating my best friend to a pulp was my own idea, no coaching from the bullies needed.

I don't know about you but those are big secrets as well. What I'm trying to say is that Ollie's and Lex's boarding school secret can have as big an impact as Ollie's & Clark's superhero secret, in the way they affect their relationships (whether romantic or platonic). All those secrets reveal an integral part of the characters' personalities, insecurities, morals & outlook on life and reaction to adversity.

Oliver & Clark, (and heck even sometimes Lex) do have benign intentions in mind for wanting to keep their secrets. But the question is, how prudent is their thinking that keeping the secret would actually protect the ones they love? Or will it end up hurting their loved ones more? Perhaps the person that the secret keeper is really trying to protect is himself because he is scared of rejection if the secret is revealed?

Lois is of the opinion that keeping the secret would cause more harm than good in a relationship (whether platonic or romantic). People who really, really care about you will accept you for who you are, warts and all. But in line with her advice to Chloe, no badgering or guilt-tripping the other person to reveal, unless the other person is good and ready and trusts you enough to share the secret. Thus Lois' answer, "That's totally retarded!", is appropriate to Clark's question.

It also had the desired effect of stopping dead on its tracks the pity-party that Clark seemed ready to throw :)

[eas]

^
Agree 100%. Well put. :D

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

The problem here is not acceptance as much as it is consequence.
The "policy of truth" has its consequences.
And in their case, it doesn't just effect them, or the ones they love, but, in Clark's case, the world ( though he doesn't see that right now) and in Oliver's case, his company and the people it employees.

Granted these reason are not dwelled upon to much in Smallvilles, but how long did it take Clark to confide in Lois in the comic books?

Lois's answer while appropriate for Lois, is, as we knwo it, short sighted.

I don't take issue with what she said ( though the term could have been better), I quess my issue is with people comparing Clark's lying with Lex's and people so "happy" that Lois said that what Clark said was retarded when we KNOW why he said it and with the just reasons that he said it.


As for the pity-party, can't argue with that part !!
:D

[MetroGirl06]

I loved that line! I was expecting her response to be something lana-cornyish (dont laugh @ my word!) that the writers are always coming up with. Nice to see something light hearted on this show!

[svsabbiesv]

Lois' response was cute...but what i didn't get was why did Clark laugh..was that his way of sayin man im fallin for this girl...or like im not even sure what Clark is thinking bc his own views he feels he has to keep secrets for those that he loves..aye

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I would have prefered something like:

"Yeah, good luck with that Smallville"
or
"secrets? what's next a costume and a cape? "
or
" if I want your opinion Smallville, I'll beat it out of you with a crowbar".
or
"Secrets are for she-males in Thailand"

[wraith808]

That last one, while funny, is more than a little over the top for the show... ;)

[Nightingale20]

I loved the line. At first, I was thinking great back to Clark's secrets and lies and sappiness and then Lois killed it with that line. I liked how they are showing how Lois handles it differently than Lana and Chloe.


Originally posted by svsabbiesv
Lois' response was cute...but what i didn't get was why did Clark laugh..was that his way of sayin man im fallin for this girl...or like im not even sure what Clark is thinking bc his own views he feels he has to keep secrets for those that he loves..aye

I liked that Clark smiled, but was wondering about the laugh too. It was nice how Lois got Clark to laugh rather then get caught up in his self-pity. The set up of Clark starting to slowly fall for Lois? It would be nice. :)

[luvallimak]

Lois's comment made me laugh and i loved it..
BUT I AM GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE 100% WITH EVERYTING EAS HAS SAID :) thank you and good night

[Atomic girl]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
I would have prefered something like:

"Yeah, good luck with that Smallville"
or
"secrets? what's next a costume and a cape? "
or
" if I want your opinion Smallville, I'll beat it out of you with a crowbar".

Any one of those three would have been so much better. And I'd still be laughing.:lol:

[wraith808]

Why is everyone so touchy over the word retarded? I mean, people that are intellectually challenged in that way are not even called retarded anymore. It's become a word used not to describe someone (other than if you are being mean), but to mean that a situation is screwed up. Toooooo much PC going on in the world today...

[sweetiepieeyed]

I would have rather Lois use any other word but retarded (patehtic, idiotic, etc) there is a thin line between Snarky and Snide and between Coy and Obnoxious and between Witty and Obrasive. Sadly i have always felt Lois fell into the latter on all parts.

[xrayvision]

I took his line of lying to protect those you love as a hidden way of saying that he loves Lois, which is way too premature in the story if you ask me. His face after she left gave it away.

[FallenStar]

I personally loved the line.

Pardon me if I say something redundant, but I have neither the time nor the patience to read all 6 pages.

I thought it was weird how Clark brought up the "i keep secrets to protect people" line, only because it seemed like a bit of a stretch concerning what Lois was actually saying (which was, and correct me if I'm wrong, something to the effect of "Why did Olliver think he needed to lie to me?") I think it was unnecessary to have Clark go into that speech.

It was almost as though Clark was trying to cover his own tendency to keep secrets, basically (and indirectly) shifting the blame away from his own mistrust (or fear, which might be a better term in this case). I took it as Clark finally caring about Lois enough to WANT to be truthful with her, but being too scared to do so.

But, isolating what Clark said, Lois' reaction was typical Lois Lane. I suppose she could have been more sensitive with her wording, but Lois Lane has always been straightfoward and a little coarse. It's her character, and I see nothing wrong with the phrasing.

It's about time someone called Clark on his stupidity...

[sweetiepieeyed]

I cant remember to well but did'nt she use Retarded word in the hallway of a hospital for people with cognitive difficulties.

[luvallimak]

i agree with wrath808...retarded is a word now used to describe how messed up a situation can be. not directly used to describe some1's mental health. IMO

[FallenStar]

It was a long term care center, but I see what you're saying.

Politically correct, she is not.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Ah, the response...

I wonder how she would responde if it was HER secret.

I love how people take things out of context.

We ahve to assume that Lois, when Clark said this, would think of potential lies that people say to "not hut those they love", the silly lies or even the hurtful lies ( stupid affairs, drunken mistake,etc.)

I wonder if she would be able to grasp the significance of a little bitty lie like:
I AM AN ALIEN FROM ANOTHER PLANET WITH ALMOST UNLIMITED POWERS AND CAN RULE THE WORLD IF I CHOOSE TO !!

Or:

I am a vigilante superhero that saves lives and fight crime, but on the side I am a wealthy billionaire with 1000's of people to employ and a woman I am very fond of, both of which would be greatly harmed,perhaps killed, if people found out.

heck, Lois ddin't know who the GA was and she still was almost killed !


Perspective people, Clark and Oliver's "lies" are not the typical, " I did your sister in a moment of weakness", or "yes Maggie, there is a Santa Claus".


In the retarded refernce was uncalled for, she is educated and THAT was the best term she could come up with?
Shame on the writers.

I think a lot of people are over analizing the scene and what was said.

WE know Clark and Ollies secret, she doesnt, she doesnt have the least grasp of the depth of Clarks words, she likes Clark and cares about him, but we also know she only sees him as a farmboy that has the depth of a street pond, at least thats what she thinks, so her comment would have been completely diferent if she knew what was really behind Clarks words, but agains thats something we viewers know, not Lois.

And like I said in my first post on this thread, she saw the Clark brooding face and just decided to stop it right ther by giving the conversation a lighter mood, I have rewatched the scene a couple of times just to really see what goes on, and she stops to think for a coulple of seconds, as if she were internally debating what to answer, my guess would be she was s´plit between going into a serious conversation with a guy as dense as Clark or take the lighter road and make a funny scape out of it and lead him out of his brooding path, where he was clrealy headed, we have seen that facial expresion for over 5 years now, and one more Lois made Clark smile when he is going on brooding mode.

[FallenStar]

/\/\well put.

It was light humor in an otherwise heavy episode.

[s_q]

officially my last post on this site unless it has to do with the music of the show. too many anal ppl on this forum. geez. even humour is taken too seriously.

[SnarkMasterJ]

I don't care either way.

But personally, any other word could've been just as cleverly placed and meant the same thing. "Retarded" is kind of a squicky word anyway, so I think the writers should've gone to the thesaurus on that one. JMO.

[SteveS]

Congenitally unable to grasp any complex concepts, lois returns to simplistic kid-speak for a stupid statement since she could not understand Clark on any level of maturity. Possibly a by-product of her choice to be poorly educated.

Physically, however, she is fully matured.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Lois always seems pretty quick with the insults to Clark in my opinion. Has she ever really shown him and kind of gratitude or thanks for the time she spent living with the Kents. She always seems so Smug when she is around him, talks down to him and has a rare kind word for him. She just rubs me the wrong way. That coment had no Class at all.

[LolaDane]

I thought is was a funny line. A laugh-out-loud moment for me, which is unusual since SV almost never makes me laugh. I like the levity that Lois brings to the somber and glum life of Clark Kent. That little smirk he did after her comment was super-cute! :D

[Tae]

she didn't mean it offensively people. yeah, the writers used a sesnitive word, but they chose one that's used ALL the time as slang. very rarely do people use the term "retarded" when referring to a mentally handicapped person. "retarded" is most commonly used to describe things that are dumb or pointless. why am i explaining this? anyone whose had a conversation has probably heard this term thrown around harmlessly.

lois said it so casually and in a humorous context that the only way anyone could consider her comment offensive or low class is if they have a grudge against her character. if the same people who consider her comment obscene heard lana say it with a smile and in a joking manner would they be offended? i think not.

[xrayvision]

It shouldn't even need to be said. I'm sick of all this PC crap, it ruined enough good shows on TV (especially cartoons). Everyone moaning about it should get over it already. I could see if she said it in regards to someone who was portraying a character someone who had a disability but c'mon. What I mind are episodes that have explicit content like Unsafe, Exposed, etc that really have no business in an episode. Those are the ones that killed the family aspect of this show.

[sweetiepieeyed]

I would find it offencive no matter who said it. Especially after coming out of a room contaning a comatose vegetable. BAD TASTE.
Yes RETARD has two meanings, but given the episode, it still sits badly with me. And i still do hear the word Retard often to discribe people.

[TerraMan]

it's a very funny off-the-cuff response one would expect from a street smart person like Lois.

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by chlarklove
And so completely offensive.

Offensive to whom?

She didn't directly say "retarted" to Clark. It was a general comment.

See, this is why it sounds so Lois like is because she has a habit of making somewhat harsh remarks at times, (though this doesn't even qualify as harsh, it was just a simple word) and not to intentionally hurt someone, because in the same scene we also see what a considerate person she is that she decided to drop the byline that would make a juicy story but kill the integrity of journalism.

She is learning the rules of journalism slowly. I loved the entire scene.

Besides, Clark's response to "retarted" was so interesting, it is like, he totally expected Lois to say something like this.

I enjoyed it, she is getting more and more closer to the DP reporter Lois Lane day by day.

[smallvillerocks45]

I'm perfectly aware of the fact that Lois wasn't using the term in a "mean" or "offensive" way, the whole point of my earlier post was that despite the use of this word, I liked the delivery of the line as well as the scene.

I can't help it, I volunteer for the Special Olympics, I am related to someone with a disability, so every time I hear the word (even when used in a medical context or in one of my favorite movies Napolon Dynamite) I cringe...I've just never liked the word.

[Farm_Girl]

^^ You know, some may argue that they don't like the word itself but there was nothing wrong with how she used it. It is like she left Clark pondering about how "retarted" his relationships became because of his secrecy.

And it is funny to note Lois is under constant radar. One word comes out of her mouth and there you go..

But I don't mind, as long as the writers keep improving her with each episode.

I throughougly enjoyed Lois and Clark's interactions as well as her dropping the story. It was great.

[smallvillerocks45]

You're right, there wasn't anything wrong with how she used the word. I'm not going to say that because she used it I'm boycotting her character or that I'll be putting her under a microscope from now on. In fact, her character has grown so much on me that I might even say that I like Lois Lane on the show. When she was first introduced, I didn't like her at all.
--What that's saying from my perspective, because I can't speak for anyone else, is that the the comment itself didn't bother me nor did she. And, maybe in some sense it is "retarded", I mean essentally to be retarded is to be stuck in a certain mindset or being unable to mentally progress. In that context, Clark's comment is some form of retardation - []I guess[/i] - I mean, he does need to get out of this shell that has prevented him from being a smarter and stronger person. I'm not saying that he should suddenly reveal his secret to everyone just yet, and I still don't like the word...but I can see how the use of the word makes sense.

[SteveS]

Again, lois can't grasp complex concepts, she is too dim-witted (notice I did not say 'retarded', although lois' intellectual and academic development has been retarded by decisions that she has made in life), so whether or not lois pops off with 'street smarts' it was basically the response of someone lacking the ability to conceive, evaluate, or explicate subtle concepts. It is the response of someone fairly ignorant and relatively dumb.

lois is still the dimmest-bulbed female on Smallville, about two notches above Otis from the Superman movies and two notches below everyone else.

It appears that she still needs her frontal lobes enlarged and enhanced.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by SteveS
Again, lois can't grasp complex concepts, she is too dim-witted (notice I did not say 'retarded', although lois' intellectual and academic development has been retarded by decisions that she has made in life), so whether or not lois pops off with 'street smarts' it was basically the response of someone lacking the ability to conceive, evaluate, or explicate subtle concepts. It is the response of someone fairly ignorant and relatively dumb.

lois is still the dimmest-bulbed female on Smallville, about two notches above Otis from the Superman movies and two notches below everyone else.

It appears that she still needs her frontal lobes enlarged and enhanced.

What subtle concept was Lois not able to grasp?

[Farm_Girl]

I think retarded was plainly a playful word to describe how dysfunctional Clark's secret keeping theory becomes sometime. No big deal at all..

But I guess, we need a Lois bashing theme each week, so this week, it's retarded.. fine..

Anyway, I found her dropping the story thing more interesting outcome of the entire scene. I guess the writers are progressing more and more with her to show that she is learning that integrity is as much important in journalism as passion.

Great!

[Billy Jor-El]

One of the funniest lines in the show, if not THE best. Lois is so defensive it can often detract from here physical beauty, but as far as a future Lois/Clark relationship? If the phrase "opposites attract" is to be taken seriously, there ain't nothin' more serious than what we're seeing between those two!

(I still love Chloe :p)

[acent]

Lana would never have though about that answer because she's always busy thinking about herself and how everyone hurts her.

I agree that the line was totally a Lois line. The timing was perfect. The resposne was surprising. It will go down as a classic. Did you see Clark's face? He was caught right off guard. Instead of the agreement/validation he was expecting, he got hit with a forthright answer that made him stop and think about it.

As far as the reference to the word 'retarded' I wasn't at all offended. I know we tend to think in terms of 'Mental Retardation' when we hear the word used, but to a writer who is using the term in it's context (The show's writers) I think it was right on.

Retarded - "To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede. Backward, disabled."

Lois indicated to Clark that his farmboy thinking on that was backwards, totally disfunctional, and will impede his relationships.

[Tae]

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
One of the funniest lines in the show, if not THE best. Lois is so defensive it can often detract from here physical beauty, but as far as a future Lois/Clark relationship? If the phrase "opposites attract" is to be taken seriously, there ain't nothin' more serious than what we're seeing between those two!

(I still love Chloe :p)

i love chloe too! but she deserves a guy that doesn't brush her off.

and i agree about the opposites attracting. it was just a comment to foreshadow lois and clark's future relationship. the writers should have gone with another word, but hey, it got everyone's attention didn't it? i didn't find it offensive in the least, and it will definetly stay in my mind as a classic lois moment.

[sweetiepieeyed]

I love SOUTH PARK, they use the word retarded to discribe Timmy and Jimmy , this however does not bother me as when I watch south park i am expecting offencive Language. I love south Park as it is ment to be offencive and does not pretend to be cute.
Lois saying this though to me she wasnt saying.."oh Clark that will hinder your relationships in the future"... to me she was saying "oh Clark thats dumb/stupid". So to me (and loads of others, not on this baord but on another) she did use the word RETARDED to discribe something as dumb/stupid. I would have been cranky if any Character used this as a cute little retort.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
One of the funniest lines in the show, if not THE best. Lois is so defensive it can often detract from here physical beauty, but as far as a future Lois/Clark relationship? If the phrase "opposites attract" is to be taken seriously, there ain't nothin' more serious than what we're seeing between those two!

(I still love Chloe :p)

It was a pretty good line. The only person that line mocks is Lana since she could never let things go.

My favorite lines from the show are from Lionel. I just loved "Send it to me" (talking about Dr. Walden's hand in Calling) and "This is one enemy you don’t know. And not knowing who you’re in bed with can make for a very uncomfortable awakening" (talking about Fine in Oracle). I also laughed when he talked about Lex having paranoid delusions and when he told Lex to keep his eyes on the important things or they will slip away (like he did right before he seized control of the caves in season 2). Those lines made me laugh because it meant some bizarre plan of Lionel's that was going to really mess with Lex was underway. Lionel plays Lex like a Stratovarius (don't know if I spelled it correctly).

[Welling_is_pretty]

Best. Line. Of. The Episode.
Hands down.
And it shows the real difference between Lois and Lana. Cause Lana never would have said that.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by acent
Lois indicated to Clark that his farmboy thinking on that was backwards, totally disfunctional, and will impede his relationships.

Well Lois and Lana have talked about Clark, so I'm assuming that Clark's secrets are known to get in the way.

Maybe that was her way of saying that that line of thinking was small minded, farmboyish.

What was humerous is that Clark seeming to see her perspective and chuckle.

[SteveS]

Rest assured that lois' line 'retarded' will not go down in TV history as a classic example of wit.

"What subtle concept was Lois not able to grasp?"

lois is a simple-minded thinker, she needs simple concepts and as such, can't conceive of situations where an individual's personal secrets are not the rightful property of an interested party or partner. ClarkMan, on the other hand, isn't nearly so simple. Despite the peanut gallery always wondering when this person or that person will learn "Clark's secret', Clark knows that his secret is too big, too important and exposes others to too great a risk to be passed out to every dim-wit that passes by. He understands the pressures and ramifications of his secret even if he doesn't grasp the full picture of his destiny. lois thinks that keeping herself (or a hypothetical 'other') from anything other than full disclosure requires a thoughtless pop-off response like 'retarded'. She says such because she has not thought about anything other than her simple-minded understanding. Her intellectual development is still retarded. lois is a LDA.

[wraith808]

^^ That statement seems rather like you're doing the same thing that you are accusing Lois of doing. You're talking about ramifications of a secret that no one would even let enter their thinking when considering such things. If a person came to you and said "I have a secret", would you think it was that they were an alien from another planet that has powers far beyond mortal men? No... it's preposterous.

And to all of the people taking issue with the word retarded, think of it from this perspective- if the first thing you thought was that it was disrespectful to people with learning disabilities, perhaps you should look at your view of the word- that would mean that you think of them that way. I personally don't think of disabled people when I hear the word retarded.

One to think about...

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by acent
Lana would never have though about that answer because she's always busy thinking about herself and how everyone hurts her.

I agree that the line was totally a Lois line. The timing was perfect. The resposne was surprising. It will go down as a classic. Did you see Clark's face? He was caught right off guard. Instead of the agreement/validation he was expecting, he got hit with a forthright answer that made him stop and think about it.

As far as the reference to the word 'retarded' I wasn't at all offended. I know we tend to think in terms of 'Mental Retardation' when we hear the word used, but to a writer who is using the term in it's context (The show's writers) I think it was right on.

Retarded - "To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede. Backward, disabled."

Lois indicated to Clark that his farmboy thinking on that was backwards, totally disfunctional, and will impede his relationships.

Excellent description.

I am sure if any other character had said it, it would never have been a big deal. Lionel says more twisted things than that!

And you are right that it was a totally Lois thing. Neither Lana nor Chloe would've said it.

Clark's reaction was also perfect. Lois always leaves the farmboy speechless doesn't she? I think it was a classic set up of their future work relationship.

That is one Lois attribute that won't change even after they are married. She always says something that Clark least expects and then leaves him pondering..:lol:

[wraith808]

^^ That's not a Lois attribute.. that's a woman attribute ;-)

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by wraith808
^^ That's not a Lois attribute.. that's a woman attribute ;-)

Yes, but no other woman can say it in a more funny or befitting way than Miss Lane :D

[Kal-ed]

I get it if people find the word retarded offensive, but in the context she used it, it means nothing near offensive, and dont hate Lois, she used colloquial slang, I couldnt finish counting how many times Ive heard, friends, people next to me in the subway, in movies, in tv shows, in books, in magazine, etc. It is an expresion, sometimes expresions excede its original meaning, "Thats retarded" does NOT mean "thats what some diabled person would think", it actually means, thats dumb, and the most popular conotation is "thats ridiculous", whis IMO is what Lois meant with it. She merely used slang, and now she is being critizesed for it.

If people dont like the word then i GET IT, its a matter of opinion, but those same people should at least accept the fact that although a harsh word, its a very comon colloqual expression, specially amongst young adults, usually known as slang.

But I guess if your out to get Lois, If Chloe asked her: "hey Lois how do I look" and she answered with an expresion like "you look like a million bucks Chloe" she would acused of being shallow, being a golddiger or a bank rober, or all the above.

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by Kal-ed But I guess if your out to get Lois, If Chloe asked her: "hey Lois how do I look" and she answered with an expresion like "you look like a million bucks Chloe" she would acused of being shallow, being a golddiger or a bank rober, or all the above. [/B]

:rotfl:

So true! I am 100% sure that if Lionel had said the same to Lex, it wouldv'e been forgotten by the end of the episode, but well, you have to come up with one thing or other against Lois so this week.. it's retarded!

"Retarded" was a befitting choice more because of the theme of the episode too. A disabled guy seeking revenge.. and then.. it was more a comment on how people think they are protecting someone by lying to them is lame..

[wraith808]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
So true! I am 100% sure that if Lionel had said the same to Lex, it wouldv'e been forgotten by the end of the episode, but well, you have to come up with one thing or other against Lois so this week.. it's retarded!

At least in my case, you'd be 100% wrong. The word fits Lois' character- but not Lionel's, and if it ever escaped his mouth in coversation, I'd be ready to pillory the writers and burn them in effigy...

[sweetiepieeyed]

See i wouldnt mind Lex or Lionel saying it as they are 'the bad guys'. Lois is ment to be a good guy. Saying retarded in an episode where the 'villain' is disabled I think was apoor choice of word. It would not have been so cringe worthy in another episode but given the episode and where they are standing, i find it affencive, esp since she ment it as an insult. And also if Lois said "Chloe you look a million dollars" I would not think that shallow. I dont hate Lois for the sake of hating her, i hate her as she annoys me with 99.9% of the things that come out of her smug ungrateful mouth.

[mfarhaniqbal33]

hilarious she was funny and i dont think any other actress could have said wid dat kind of attiude........seriously i think about it now i still cant stop laughing it was like wow.........THAT IS TOTALLY.........RETARDED.......for a moment i thought she was gonna say Sweet but that was Lois like Answer "Retarded"hahahahahahahah i m still smiling..........my mom is asking now y am i laughing.......hahahaahahahhahaha

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed I dont hate Lois for the sake of hating her, i hate her as she annoys me with 99.9% of the things that come out of her smug ungrateful mouth. [/B]

You made my point for me.

Use of vocabulary has nothing to do with being a good guy and bad guy, "retarded" was used to describe how dysfunctional this thinking is that keep secrets to protect someone..

The most important thing is the impact it made on Clark. It actually made him think how different Lois's take is on the secret thing.

[Tae]

Originally posted by wraith808
^^ That's not a Lois attribute.. that's a woman attribute ;-)

AGREED!!! :D

[SteveS]

"^^ That statement seems rather like you're doing the same thing that you are accusing Lois of doing. You're talking about ramifications of a secret that no one would even let enter their thinking when considering such things. If a person came to you and said "I have a secret", would you think it was that they were an alien from another planet that has powers far beyond mortal men? No... it's preposterous."

It was lois who contrived aliens into her first article for the Inquisitor,was it not?
Again, lois spouts of what pops in her head, like her thoughtless comments at the cocktail party. She is not reflective, she is a shallow and simple-minded thinker. Clark, to reiterate, knows that his secret was too much for Pete to bear and Pete was vastly smarter than lois.

For those who try to obscure ClarkMan's concern for his confidants safety with dysfunctionality, I would just say that Smallville's lois is the poster girl (or Playmate if you will) for dysfunctionality. She claims to have 'mothered' her little sister Lucy and we know that Lucy is a lying criminal. lois' continued academic failures show that she doesn't function well in an ordered system but has followed her own self-absorbed interests for most of her life. Dysfunctionality is lois' hallmark and is a tremendously negative quality (as is her stupid mouth/smart mouth) that lois will carry into every personal relationship in her life.

Neither Clark nor Superman need this most dysfunctional lois ever on screen.

[sweetiepieeyed]

It seemed to me Clark looked at her like she was an idiot, kina in disbelif. I did not think he found it cute or impacted him to think, 'wow, lois has a really diffrent and good point of view here' To me it is kind of a Lana trait, ok an opisite reaction to the one Lana would have had but the same SECRETS IS BAD view point never the less. The last thing Clark needs is some one who insults him for wanting to keep things to himself.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by SteveS
It was lois who contrived aliens into her first article for the Inquisitor,was it not?
Again, lois spouts of what pops in her head, like her thoughtless comments at the cocktail party. She is not reflective, she is a shallow and simple-minded thinker. Clark, to reiterate, knows that his secret was too much for Pete to bear and Pete was vastly smarter than lois.

For those who try to obscure ClarkMan's concern for his confidants safety with dysfunctionality, I would just say that Smallville's lois is the poster girl (or Playmate if you will) for dysfunctionality. She claims to have 'mothered' her little sister Lucy and we know that Lucy is a lying criminal. lois' continued academic failures show that she doesn't function well in an ordered system but has followed her own self-absorbed interests for most of her life. Dysfunctionality is lois' hallmark and is a tremendously negative quality (as is her stupid mouth/smart mouth) that lois will carry into every personal relationship in her life.

Neither Clark nor Superman need this most dysfunctional lois ever on screen.

Lois didn't have an 'educational failure', if I remember correctly. It was a failure to attend a class. Her leaving college had nothing to do with her academics- rather a run-in with an athlete. It seems that many want Lois to be 'the Lois of the comic books', now. That's the same as the people who want Clark to be Superman now. This show is about development, and sometimes you can't know exactly how much to appreciate a person until you know how much that he or she went through. If Lois can mature and overcome everything that she has gone through to become the Lois Lane award-winning journalist of the Daily Planet, doesn't that make the final product even more impressive? If Clark has all of these feelings about wanting a normal life, and not wanting to sacrifice for the world- but finally does, doesn't that make Superman all the more commendable?

The long view people- you have to consider the long view.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by wraith808
Lois didn't have an 'educational failure', if I remember correctly. It was a failure to attend a class. Her leaving college had nothing to do with her academics- rather a run-in with an athlete.

Yeah it wasnt her fault, partying with the boys getting drunk and having hang overs had nothing to do with her not attending Class, her failing high school again wasnt her fault some lessons are hard and you need to study for and getting kicked out of college for beating up a guy had NOTHING to do with her being at a late night party full of drunk college guys. These were all things she bought on herself. Her own fault

[Tae]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
Yeah it wasnt her fault, partying with the boys getting drunk and having hang overs had nothing to do with her not attending Class, her failing high school again wasnt her fault some lessons are hard and you need to study for and getting kicked out of college for beating up a guy had NOTHING to do with her being at a late night party full of drunk college guys. These were all things she bought on herself. Her own fault

ever been to a college party? people drink. she deffended herself from a guy trying to assualt her. then she went home, then she was falsly accussed of putting the guy in a coma. she was the victim on both counts.

if she kept going to the same university she would've been hassled about the incident, it was completely understandable for her to quit. and now she's finally committing her time to journalism and working hard at it. everybody makes mistakes when they're young and now she's making up for them.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
Yeah it wasnt her fault, partying with the boys getting drunk and having hang overs had nothing to do with her not attending Class, her failing high school again wasnt her fault some lessons are hard and you need to study for and getting kicked out of college for beating up a guy had NOTHING to do with her being at a late night party full of drunk college guys. These were all things she bought on herself. Her own fault

I wasn't talking about the whats or the whys, other than in reference to the fact that it wasn't because she is intellectually challenged. And it seems that I remember that she wasn't drunk- even though she was at a party. She was assaulted on the way home, and defended herself. If you call that bringing it on herself, then that seems rather the same argument that people use when talking about women that dress a certain way getting attacked. Nothing wrong with going to a party last I checked... and as far as the high school credit issue, we don't know the whole story behind that, because it didn't occur on camera...

[eas]

^

Tae and wraith808, you're totally right. She tried to walk away from that guy, but he kept coming after her. She defended herself and the only reason he landed in the hospital was because the FotW landed him there. Lois didn't kick him that hard.

And as far as the partying is concerned? We've only witnessed it once & since she left school she's been working full-time in Smallville. Not much of a partying town. The only parties she's gone to have been for work or the one that Graham threw & she was his date. And none of them were drunken orgies.

And we were never told she failed her senior year. We were told that she didn't get enough credits. And we don't know why, either. I'm not justifying it -- I, for one, hate that Lois isn't in school. But we can't say it's because she flunked. She was very surprised when the General told her about it & she kept calling the Met. U. admissions office to figure things out. She was proactive about it -- not just sitting there waiting for something to be handed to her.

I'm not rationalizing why she's not in school (I think it's terrible that both Clark and Lois aren't in school) but I do think we can't just label her a horrible person because of it.

[sweetiepieeyed]

I didnt mean getting attacked was her fault, just that she had just got back into college and i would have liked to have been shown that her main prority was maybe studying instead of partying. I was glad that she deffended herself. But given the fact that she would rather party then study and did not even graduate from high school i just dont see her as intelectual maybe if she had taken more care to study to start with and hadnt gone to a party she wouldnt have been attacked and wouldnt have (rightfully) had to defend herself and would not have been kicked out. She had two chances to earn her way out of high school and didnt and had two chances in College and again Failed. No wonder she could not come up with something less obrassive as RETARDED.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Tae
[if she kept going to the same university she would've been hassled about the incident, it was completely understandable for her to quit. and now she's finally committing her time to journalism and working hard at it. everybody makes mistakes when they're young and now she's making up for them.

I disagree in this statement:
She could had switched colleges if she would wanted to get and education. I got plenty of friends that has done that.

[SteveS]

Originally posted by wraith808
Lois didn't have an 'educational failure', if I remember correctly. It was a failure to attend a class. Her leaving college had nothing to do with her academics- rather a run-in with an athlete. It seems that many want Lois to be 'the Lois of the comic books', now. That's the same as the people who want Clark to be Superman now. This show is about development, and sometimes you can't know exactly how much to appreciate a person until you know how much that he or she went through. If Lois can mature and overcome everything that she has gone through to become the Lois Lane award-winning journalist of the Daily Planet, doesn't that make the final product even more impressive? If Clark has all of these feelings about wanting a normal life, and not wanting to sacrifice for the world- but finally does, doesn't that make Superman all the more commendable?

The long view people- you have to consider the long view.


Failure to attend class means missed tests and failed courses, hence not enough credits to graduate from high school (or admittance to any college).

Expulsion from Met U. lois did earn on her own for repeated rules violations. No doubt you remember lois' little comment about primarily studying bar-guides in her less than one semester in college.

Comic books are for kids, they have absolutely no part in my life. For TV and movies, I would relate to good and better actors/actresses and stories for my standards, not a cartoon panel. In this scenario, lois has led the relatively priviledged life of a high ranking military officer, it does not appear that she has ever had to struggle, cook, or even work before, just Daddy and his credit cards to make her life complete.

The other two girls on Smallville have gone through and done vastly more to earn respect for pulling themselves up than the last TV version of lois. She does have to pay her dues to get respect.

In the latter vein, being given ingress into college via Lex, staff jobs via the Kents, an Iquisitor reporting job via a short visit to Heaven are not aspects of paying one's dues in rising acheivement and as such, they earn no respect. If the writers of Smallville really wanted to make this a Lois, then she should have to suffer a great loss, pick herself up, not be given anything as a freebie, and earn title and respect through her efforts solely.

Won't happen.

[Snow40]

I loved her response to the secrets line.

It's the type of response that Clark needed. You could see by his smile at the end, that Clark enjoyed her response and that he is starting to enjoy and appreciate Lois and the spunky, forthright, caring person that she is.

While Jonathan and Martha started the molding of who Clark will become, Lois, and now Oliver will further it along.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by SteveS


Comic books are for kids, they have absolutely no part in my life. For TV and movies, I would relate to good and better actors/actresses and stories for my standards, not a cartoon panel.

Yet you post in a forum of a show based on a Comic book and a show with low standards ( just recently tori spelling, bow wow, are guest starting... so much for high standards) and Im sure Ageless and Thirst and Reckoning where magnificent examples of quality stories.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by SteveS
Failure to attend class means missed tests and failed courses, hence not enough credits to graduate from high school (or admittance to any college).

But it was an elective class... my reference to a lack of failure was towards her intelligence which you attacked. Sure, what she did was wrong... but it was not based on a lack of intelligence, so no need in going down the path of her actions- you were talking about her intellect.


Originally posted by SteveS
Comic books are for kids, they have absolutely no part in my life. For TV and movies, I would relate to good and better actors/actresses and stories for my standards, not a cartoon panel. In this scenario, lois has led the relatively priviledged life of a high ranking military officer, it does not appear that she has ever had to struggle, cook, or even work before, just Daddy and his credit cards to make her life complete.

You don't know any military brats, do you? That's not a priviledged life- and she doesn't seem to have led one. And as far as comic books being for kids, that seems a pretty close-minded view- one would wonder why you watch a TV series about a comic book character?


Originally posted by SteveS
The other two girls on Smallville have gone through and done vastly more to earn respect for pulling themselves up than the last TV version of lois. She does have to pay her dues to get respect.
What has Lana really done? Not very much- one entrance into a program doesn't an intellectual giant make. You talk about the 'TV' version of Lois- it's not the media that is different- it's the age. And that is what I meant when I referred to wanting the comic version of Lois- Ok... so your view isn't based on comics- but it is based on a version of Lois, as shown by your arguments. My only point was that this *is not* that version.


Originally posted by SteveS
In the latter vein, being given ingress into college via Lex, staff jobs via the Kents, an Iquisitor reporting job via a short visit to Heaven are not aspects of paying one's dues in rising acheivement and as such, they earn no respect. If the writers of Smallville really wanted to make this a Lois, then she should have to suffer a great loss, pick herself up, not be given anything as a freebie, and earn title and respect through her efforts solely.

Please. Lex didn't get her into college. She had already been accepted. She merely had to complete the course hours for an elective course. It was nothing that was going to affect her college career. The Staff job was given to her based on merits and things she was already doing- not in a vacuum, and what is this about a visit to Heaven? That makes *no* sense... so you'll have to explain that. Everyone doesn't have to experience loss to succeed. But on that note, she seems to have experienced just as much recent loss as Lana or Chloe, if not more. The loss of parental support while still in college is no laughing matter. The loss of said college career is also no laughing matter. Your arguments seem to have no basis as far as I can see...

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by wraith808
But it was an elective class... my reference to a lack of failure was towards her intelligence which you attacked. Sure, what she did was wrong... but it was not based on a lack of intelligence, so no need in going down the path of her actions- you were talking about her intellect.





But how intelegent was she for going out partying and 'drinking guys under the table' instead of studying or something else that the campuss wont frown apon or warn you on. You would have thought the whole 'not allowed to continue at college until she returns to and graduates high school' would have lit a fire under her butt and make her think of this as a second chance and make her try harder not to screw up. So i think her intelegence comes into it somewhere.

[Kal-ed]

Comonly young people go to parties, even college ones, yesterday I drank my self under the table and Im doing a major in economics, I have one of the highest GPA´s in my class, not to brag I just want to stablish that Lois partiying and drinking is not bad or stupid, its rather normal if any, most of my class, my friends wha are also in college drink on a regular baisis during weekends, and still graduated, actually most of my friends all already finished their majors and still drink and have fun; i dont know about other people but I think its rather short minded to think just cause somebody drinks that person is a drunk. If it wasnt for the FOTW, Lois would still be in college.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
But how intelegent was she for going out partying and 'drinking guys under the table' instead of studying or something else that the campuss wont frown apon or warn you on. You would have thought the whole 'not allowed to continue at college until she returns to and graduates high school' would have lit a fire under her butt and make her think of this as a second chance and make her try harder not to screw up. So i think her intelegence comes into it somewhere.

What are you talking about? The drinking and such happened *after* she was in college, not while she was trying to get into college. And the campus doesn't frown upon nor warn you for partying, or else whole fraternities and sororities would be kicked out all the time. And just because someone doesn't have a 'fire lit under their butt' by experience doesn't make them unintelligent, no matter what some may think... irresponsible, maybe, but it's pushing it to compare responsibility to intelligence. I know several self-admitted unintelligent people that are the most responsible people I know.. and in many cases, it's because of the fact that they can't fall back on their intelligence. And I know the opposite case also. So responsible =/= intelligent and irresponsible =/= unintelligent.

[Tae]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Comonly young people go to parties, even college ones, yesterday I drank my self under the table and Im doing a major in economics, I have one of the highest GPA´s in my class, not to brag I just want to stablish that Lois partiying and drinking is not bad or stupid, its rather normal if any, most of my class, my friends wha are also in college drink on a regular baisis during weekends, and still graduated, actually most of my friends all already finished their majors and still drink and have fun; i dont know about other people but I think its rather short minded to think just cause somebody drinks that person is a drunk. If it wasnt for the FOTW, Lois would still be in college.

thay's the point i was trying to make before. people party and drink in college on a regular basis and still go to classes and make good grades. it's not a straight line down the middle of those who drink and those who attend class. lois went to a party, like most college students will do at some point, it had nothing to do with her intelligence or abilty to attend classes. she dropped out because of the incident, which again had nothing to do with her intelligence. if anything call her a little irresponsible, but there's nothing wrong with her intelligence.

[eas]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
But how intelegent was she for going out partying and 'drinking guys under the table' instead of studying or something else that the campuss wont frown apon or warn you on. You would have thought the whole 'not allowed to continue at college until she returns to and graduates high school' would have lit a fire under her butt and make her think of this as a second chance and make her try harder not to screw up. So i think her intelegence comes into it somewhere.

Not really. What if it was a Friday night? Or a Saturday night? What if she didn't have class the next day? Spending a night partying on campus does not = dumb person. Anyone who has been to college can attest to that. That's why drinking (and partying) actually occurs at Ivy League universities. Are we gonna say that everyone who parties at Princeton and Harvard are stupid? Makes no sense.

And drinking the guys under the table didn't seem like a big deal to me (and this coming from someone who has never had a drop of alcohol in her life). Why? Because of Lois's background. It actually seemed to be incredibly in-character for her to do so -- she is a brassy, confident, young woman who grew up on military bases all over the world. There were a lot of older guys that she hung out with & her father is known for treating Lois like a "little soldier". She learned at a young age to 'keep up with the boys' and it stems from her desire to gain her father's approval. Lois is a tomboy -- not a little girlie girl.

And the alcohol? She stood up and left when she reached her limit. She won the round of shots & she could have easily continued, but she chose not to. Rather than showing us an example of someone who succombs to peer pressure and continues because she doesn't know her limits, Lois shows us the opposite -- she gets up and leaves. And when the guy follows her to her dorm, she defends herself. This doesn't tell me she's not intelligent -- it tells me she's very smart & also a strong person.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Sorry cant for the life of me remember...was drinking allowed on her campus, has it told us how old she is.

[wraith808]

It is metropolis university- a major university, not private it appeared, in a major city. I would be *utterly* surprised if there was something prohibiting drinking. As far as her age, she might be underaged as she was just starting college when CK and the rest were in their senior year. On the other hand, military brats regularly start college late... so that doesn't mean anything. I'd say she *was* underage though- I don't think she's *that* much older than Clark.

However, this isn't really salient to the conversation in any case... neither one of those give any indication of her intelligence.

[eas]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
Sorry cant for the life of me remember...was drinking allowed on her campus, has it told us how old she is.

Drinking allowed on the majority of campuses -- for people over the age of 21. Lois was more than likely underage when she was drinking. Definitely not a good thing -- but highly realistic. College kids (freshman & sophomore) drink on campus before they hit 21 all the time.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
The most important thing is the impact it made on Clark. It actually made him think how different Lois's take is on the secret thing.

What I love about these 2 is that Clark makes a decision such as keeping his secret and Lois comes around always derailing his thoughts and makes him see a different perspective. In other words, she makes him think twice.

[SteveS]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Yet you post in a forum of a show based on a Comic book and a show with low standards ( just recently tori spelling, bow wow, are guest starting... so much for high standards) and Im sure Ageless and Thirst and Reckoning where magnificent examples of quality stories.

Yet I don't post in comic book forums or comment on who can jump higher, the Hulk or Superman on this forum.

Superman surpasses the limited readership of comics books. Amazingly, I don't watch cartoons or use crayolas either.


Originally posted by wraith808
But it was an elective class... my reference to a lack of failure was towards her intelligence which you attacked. Sure, what she did was wrong... but it was not based on a lack of intelligence, so no need in going down the path of her actions- you were talking about her intellect.

lois' native intelligence is in doubt. She has acted like a dim bulb in the last two episodes and I think Clark's expressions when she mentioned going to Heaven (and he knew the truth) and when he pointed to the door in last week's episode both showed he thought that lois was none too sharp. Her past decisions in life (stupid ones at that) give him some rationale for such an interpretation.



You don't know any military brats, do you? That's not a priviledged life- and she doesn't seem to have led one. And as far as comic books being for kids, that seems a pretty close-minded view- one would wonder why you watch a TV series about a comic book character?

Having been in the Army for 4 years, I may have much more experience than you have. From field grade to any rank above 0-4 (you know what that means don't you?) is not tough on the dependeants and lois is a supreme dependent. And I went into two different comic book stores to test my open-mindedness. Wasn't impressed. Like I said before, Superman is far more than a comic book character, otherwise there wouldn't have been radio programs, movie serials, TV shows and movies about him. The vast number of those viewers didn't spend their adult lives looking at comics.


What has Lana really done? Not very much- one entrance into a program doesn't an intellectual giant make. You talk about the 'TV' version of Lois- it's not the media that is different- it's the age. And that is what I meant when I referred to wanting the comic version of Lois- Ok... so your view isn't based on comics- but it is based on a version of Lois, as shown by your arguments. My only point was that this *is not* that version.

Lana, an orphan, conceived the creation of a coffee house from an extinct movie theatre, prepared a business plan and got funding, all while a high school student. Then she managed the place. lois was a muffin-peddling college expellee who derived her first job on Smallville indirectly from Lana's creativity.



Please. Lex didn't get her into college. She had already been accepted. She merely had to complete the course hours for an elective course. It was nothing that was going to affect her college career. The Staff job was given to her based on merits and things she was already doing- not in a vacuum, and what is this about a visit to Heaven? That makes *no* sense... so you'll have to explain that. Everyone doesn't have to experience loss to succeed. But on that note, she seems to have experienced just as much recent loss as Lana or Chloe, if not more. The loss of parental support while still in college is no laughing matter. The loss of said college career is also no laughing matter. Your arguments seem to have no basis as far as I can see...

Your facts are off, put down your comic book and look at the old episodes. Lex greased lois' way into college, she would not have been admitted without his help; Smallville canon. In terms of 'heaven', that is what the dim-wit told Clark in the barn after he has visited her in the hospital and was the epiphany she experienced to be a new improved lois on Smallville. Loss of parental support, oh, you mean Daddy disciplined little lo-lo for being expelled from college. Yep and I guess he paid her credit card bills. Your arguments seem exceptionally weak considering that Lana is an orphan and Chloe's dad seems to be missing in action, whereas prior to lois' expulsion, the General was footing all of her bills quite nicely.

[curiosity]

I loved what Lois said to Clark, and I'm really liking their interactions and scenes together.

I've read some post saying Lois is contradicting herself, no way.

I can't wait until they get togher. The sooner the better.

[President_Luthor]

As for the topic at hand .....

Everyone one on the show has indulged Clark's lame explanations for his deceptions: his claim that he's keeping secrets and lying to protect those he loved. Like that helped JK or preserved his friendship with Pete. :rolleyes:

It's Lois that calls that entire notion as crap. And Clark smirked at her reply! Could that be an acknowledgement that he knows his lying-to-protect-people routine is wearing thin? It's CK, so maybe not yet.

It was the sweetest line in the ep., and (as usual on SV) it was long overdue. Too many people in that town have allowed Clark to play that "protecting" people card of his, and finally someone calls him out on his long-standing cow-pie whopper of an excuse.

Keep smirkin', Clark ... you've got a whole lot more learnin' to go before you earn the right to wear that S-shield on your chest.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by SteveS
It was lois who contrived aliens into her first article for the Inquisitor,was it not?
Again, lois spouts of what pops in her head, like her thoughtless comments at the cocktail party. She is not reflective, she is a shallow and simple-minded thinker. Clark, to reiterate, knows that his secret was too much for Pete to bear and Pete was vastly smarter than lois.
No. It was the editor of the Inquisitor that spun the "alien angle" on the article because according to said editor, it will sell more copies. The editor has an overrride on how an article is presented. So it's the editor's intelligence and judgement that you should criticize, not Lois'.

Originally posted by SteveS
She claims to have 'mothered' her little sister Lucy and we know that Lucy is a lying criminal
That is an unfair comment.

The mother of Lois and Lucy died when thet were both little girls (likely Lois around 6 years old, Lucy around 3 years old) Their father, Gen. Sam Lane, did not remarry and there was no female relative who looked after the 2 girls. The General was not exactly an emo kind of man, so he raised his daughters the way he would train new recruits. And since Sam Lane was an active US general, he and the girls did not have a permanent residence, moving from one military base to the other.

Despite these less than ideal circumstances, Lois, no less than a child herself, did her best to look after little Lucy. That's a pretty tall order, a 6 year old trying to raise a 3 year old, with minimal supervision from an emotionally distant father. But Lucy didn't die, she wasn't malnourished, she wasn't remanded to the custody of Social Services due to neglect, and she did well enough in elementary grade in order to be accepted at an exclusive European boarding school. Lucy coped and flourished despite an unconventional upbringing. And that's to Lois' credit!

As for Lucy being a budding juvenile criminal...

Lois can't check-on her sister 24/7 while Lucy's all the way in Europe. And Lucy keeps telling Lois that everything was going great at boarding school. Lois was not the one who encouraged or coached Lucy into dabbling with criminal elements.Whether out of rebellion, boredom or caprice, that was Lucy's own decision, unfortunately. It's always one's own choice whether to do right or wrong. It's like in the case of Clark: Jonathan and Martha raised him well but out of his own choice, he was being a broody, mopey, self-involved BDA who refused to accept consequences for his actions in Seasons 1-5 . Now in Season 6 Clark chooses to take responsibility for his actions (well, he's starting to anyway).

Ironically, Lucy's plan to fake her own kidnapping & swindle Lex Luthor hinged heavily on the fact that Lucy knows Lois will never let her down and will help her out of any jam, just as Lois had always done when they were growing-up.

Originally posted by SteveS
In terms of 'heaven', that is what the dim-wit told Clark in the barn after he has visited her in the hospital

Why is "heaven" not an acceptable reply, given the circumstances? Lois was semi-unconscious the whole time, had serious injuries, she probably thought she was dying. Being in a crystal fortress built by an alien technology in the middle of the arctic is not exactly high on the logical list of probable locations, as far as her character (and what her character knows so far) is concerned. And I’m sure Martha Kent wasn’t forthcoming with explanations either about where exactly they crashed ;)

Originally posted by SteveS
Your arguments seem exceptionally weak considering that Lana is an orphan and Chloe's dad seems to be missing in action, whereas prior to lois' expulsion, the General was footing all of her bills quite nicely
Seeing that Lois’ life pre-Smallville was not explicitly detailed, I don’t know how you can assume that Lois was living capriciously with daddy footing the credit bill each time. I guess Lois applying for student loans or having a part-time job is out of the realm of possibility for you.

Just to clarify:
-There’s been no explicit mention of Uncle Gabe dying or disowning Chloe, so we can assume he’s still somewhere around in “off-screenville” to help support Chloe. Unless she got a full ride, Chloe’s job at the DP for now, is still not enough to finance college, assuming Chloe is on a regular 4 year track and is a regular student. But yes, props for Chloe for getting the DP job.

-Lana’s parents did die but she was not completely an abandoned child. Her Aunt Nell took her in and raised her, and helped put her through school. Fortunately, Lana did not spend her formative years in destitution. It was not like she grew up in an orphanage and was completely dependent on the state for her upbringing. Plus it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Aunt Nell still provides Lana with a bit of financial support even when Lana decided to live at the Talon. (it would be heartless of Nell not to, seeing that Lana is the only child of her dead sister) This may help to explain why Lana can always afford to wear the trendiest clothes ;). But yes it was admirable of Lana to manage the Talon’s conversion into a coffeehouse. Of course, her business plan would never have gotten off the ground without Lex’s financial backing. It was so nice of Lex to be a generous benefactor and business partner. And Lex continues to be such a good benefactor to Lana this season ;)


Originally posted by SteveS Neither Clark nor Superman need this most dysfunctional lois ever on screen.

SV!Lois probably thinks SV!Clark is dysfunctional,too ;) Broody, always feeling sorry for himself, awkward, refuses to realize his full potential....

Almost all the main protagonists in SV at this point are "dysfunctional:"
-Clark is a dysfunctional superhero because he doesn't even want to be one. He hasn't even realized that he could be one!
-Lex is a dysfunctional villain because he still hasn't fully embraced his dark side.

But that is the premise of Smallville. We're supposed to see the younger, unpolished versions of the characters evolve into their future iconic personas.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by SteveS
Your facts are off, put down your comic book and look at the old episodes. Lex greased lois' way into college, she would not have been admitted without his help; Smallville canon. In terms of 'heaven', that is what the dim-wit told Clark in the barn after he has visited her in the hospital and was the epiphany she experienced to be a new improved lois on Smallville. Loss of parental support, oh, you mean Daddy disciplined little lo-lo for being expelled from college. Yep and I guess he paid her credit card bills. Your arguments seem exceptionally weak considering that Lana is an orphan and Chloe's dad seems to be missing in action, whereas prior to lois' expulsion, the General was footing all of her bills quite nicely.

Your facts are off, and if you can't keep away from the flammatory language, then perhaps you shouldn't try to debate when *you* don't know what you're talking about.

She was already accepted to Met U before she came back onto the show- she was actually coming to say goodbye to CK. She couldn't go because of the missing credits. One quarter and she would have been going- that's why she started into journalism- at Chloe's insistence to get the extra credit hours she needed for an elective.

I'd think you'd want to look at your arguments, because Lana's parents died *years* ago- you can't keep using that excuse for her. And before you even go there, I *do* know what it's like. You have to move on, and considering the fact that at least she had her aunt, she wasn't alone. And from what it seems (I say seems, as we don't know what Lois' life was like before she was shown on SV), Lois' father was absent and her mother dead. So it does seem that she experienced much of the same thing.

As for Chloe, your argument about her father is weak at best. He was never a staple on the show, and very likely didn't want to work for Luthor after they tried to blow him up, so is working elsewhere.

And just because Lois had a semi-functional family is no reason to put her down. Did you have a functional family? If so, does that mean we shouldn't accord you any respect?

Your debating skills and arguments are weak, and you are trying to make up for them by getting me riled it seems- stick to the facts.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I have to learn to make myself more clear in the future.

While I personally have issues with the word "retarded", having worked with special needs children and having seen how they are mistreated in parts of the world, I am a tad over-sensitive about that term, BUT, that aside, my point was NOT about Lois at all.
Nope, what she said and how she said was in Lois character, even though she was almost killed the episode before because someone THOUGHT she knew who GA was and you woudl think that would make her understand the need for secrets, ut that is a bit of s tretch at this point.

May point was that I am surprised how many poster here though what she said was a good thing towards Clark, hinting that he shoudl keep secrets, even though we ALL know why he doe sit and the very good reason that he does it.

That was what I was voicing, nothing to do with what Lois said per se, but to do with posters syating that it was "about time' Clark got put in his place, sort of speaking.

The characters on Smallville have all the excuse for their short-sightedness, yes, including Lana, the posters here don't.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I can appreciate that knowing someone super secret identity could bring harm when bad guys try to use that information against that person.
but i don't think clark was specific enough.
he just said , is it okay to keep secrets from ones you love.
Lois may have answered in her usual non-politically correct tone.
But I still agree with Lois.
Secrets don't help between those you love.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I can appreciate that knowing someone super secret identity could bring harm when bad guys try to use that information against that person.
but i don't think clark was specific enough.
he just said , is it okay to keep secrets from ones you love.
Lois may have answered in her usual non-politically correct tone.
But I still agree with Lois.
Secrets don't help between those you love.

That is why I didn't harp on what Lois said ( minus the term), but harped on what people say here.

Secrets don't help your loved ones, but neither does putting them in danger, look what happend to Pete?
And Lois ( and lois didn't know jack)
Look at all those that know Clark's secret, besides Chloe ( and we all shudder to think what here future is...)

In the comics, how many people know SUperman true identity?
How long did it take to tell Lois?

There are secrets and then there are SECRETS.

I mean, if you learned somethign that would change the world, soemthign that could bring death to someone, maybe even many people, something that, in the wrong hands could destroy the planet, how easily would you share that with someone ? no matter ho w much you love them?
Now, at to that, lack of trust -
Clark reallys doesn't trust anyone other than his Mom.

[Farm_Girl]

It is not about knowing Clark's identity or not. Lois used it as a general phrase. I am sure when Clark tells her his secret, she won't question it in that way, she may be hurt for a while but even then she won't called Clark's secrecy "retarded".

She only used the word in a different context and retarded is not that offensive a word as some people are trying to make it. It was a simple phrase and said in the most entertaining way possible.

I loved the way Erica delivered the line and Tom's expressions were priceless.

[soloftp]

Jeah Lois and Clark....they just are ment to be together :)...

[SnarkMasterJ]

I didn't initially want to get involved in this argument in any way, but I did see two things that I wanted to voice my opinion on:


Originally posted by ShelbyKent
No. It was the editor of the Inquisitor that spun the "alien angle" on the article because according to said editor, it will sell more copies. The editor has an override on how an article is presented. So it's the editor's intelligence and judgement that you should criticize, not Lois'.

Well, that may be so. But what you neglected to mention in that statement was the fact that EDLois had a problem with her editor's "alien angle" and she let all that go just to get her article published. So, in reality, she compromised her moral opposition to someone's actions just to get her name in print. Putting out a piece of work that misrepresents the truth is opposed to Lois Lane in every way. EDLois doesn't seem to share those sentiments, and that, I believe, is plenty worthy of criticism.



But that is the premise of Smallville. We're supposed to see the younger, unpolished versions of the characters evolve into their future iconic personas.

And as I said before, that may be so. But it doesn't make sense to overlook obvious character flaws all for the sake of development. Sure, no one is perfect, but don't act like it's completely unfounded for EDLois to be under the microscope for her actions. There's a difference between arguing things in light of the big picture and brushing things under the rug because of the uncomfortable truth.

[wraith808]

^^ I don't disagree that EDLois is a little far afield of other representations of Lois in the journalistic integrity department. What I do disagree with is the representation that she isn't intelligent, when she has shown us that she is.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Well intelligence is a subjective matter really, open to the personal interpretation of the viewer. If someone finds EDLois to be unintelligent, then that's their opinion. It may not be "nice" or what everyone wants to hear, but it's still their opinion. Just like it's your opinion to feel she has shown her intelligence.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
No. It was the editor of the Inquisitor that spun the "alien angle" on the article because according to said editor, it will sell more copies. The editor has an overrride on how an article is presented. So it's the editor's intelligence and judgement that you should criticize, not Lois'.

That is an unfair comment.

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well Lois really didnt seem to care that her name was on a page full of lies, in fact she seemed quite proud. Clark was right for the "Jounolistic integraty' jab. If these two are going to hook up, i just wish they would stop acting as brother and sister.
And Lois calling him out on his secrets, none of her biusness, she does not know why he keeps secrets, so she really has no right to call his reasoning RETARDED.
if Lois found Lucy, would she go tell Lex or the police, after all, Lex had his car stolen by her so he has the right to know, but if Lois keeps THE SECRET she would be protecting someone she loved (Lucy). I bet she would not like anyone to tell her Thats retarded.
Clark doesnt have to tell anyone about himself, It's none of Lois's buisness if he has a secret, and to make someone feel bad about having one, i'm sorry, just is not fair.

[Atomic girl]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
well Lois really didnt seem to care that her name was on a page full of lies, in fact she seemed quite proud. Clark was right for the "Jounolistic integraty' jab. If these two are going to hook up, i just wish they would stop acting as brother and sister.
And Lois calling him out on his secrets, none of her biusness, she does not know why he keeps secrets, so she really has no right to call his reasoning RETARDED.
if Lois found Lucy, would she go tell Lex or the police, after all, Lex had his car stolen by her so he has the right to know, but if Lois keeps THE SECRET she would be protecting someone she loved (Lucy). I bet she would not like anyone to tell her Thats retarded.
Clark doesnt have to tell anyone about himself, It's none of Lois's buisness if he has a secret, and to make someone feel bad about having one, i'm sorry, just is not fair.

Loved your line about brother and sister. I honestly don't know how they will link them romantically without an ewwwww factor. It's just too strong a sibling vibe at this point.

Love your example of how Lois would keep a secret.

And again love your take on Clark's secret. :)

[wraith808]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Well intelligence is a subjective matter really, open to the personal interpretation of the viewer. If someone finds EDLois to be unintelligent, then that's their opinion. It may not be "nice" or what everyone wants to hear, but it's still their opinion. Just like it's your opinion to feel she has shown her intelligence.

Actually, intelligence is not subjective, but very quantifiable and can be studied an measured based on proven scientific methods. The issue comes into play about subjectivity in that when most people refer to intelligence they are not referring to the actual definition of the term, i.e. to be able to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend ideas and language, and learn. Lois has shown those abilities on the show. What could be argued is her level of knowledge or impulsiveness restricting the use of the intelligence that she has shown, and also that at varying times, she has been written more and less intelligent and has not used the opportunities that she has had wisely. Those would be considered subjective approaches that opinions could be offered on. But is she intelligent? I don't think anyone can offer any evidence that she doesn't have the capabilities stated.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by wraith808
Actually, intelligence is not subjective, but very quantifiable and can be studied an measured based on proven scientific methods.

Not if you believe in the theory of multiple intelligences and that everybody has different learning styles. Then it gets more complex and less easily measurable. There's actually alot of controversy in the question of whether intelligence can actually be measurable or not. Heck, there's even tons of controversy over what the exact definition of "intelligence" should be.



And Lois calling him out on his secrets, none of her biusness, she does not know why he keeps secrets, so she really has no right to call his reasoning RETARDED.

Lois wasn't calling Clark out on keeping secrets.You can't twist her words around to mean that she was bashing Clark over keeping secrets because she wasn't. She had no idea that his statement had anything to do with himself personally.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by wraith808
Actually, intelligence is not subjective, but very quantifiable and can be studied an measured based on proven scientific methods. The issue comes into play about subjectivity in that when most people refer to intelligence they are not referring to the actual definition of the term, i.e. to be able to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend ideas and language, and learn. Lois has shown those abilities on the show. What could be argued is her level of knowledge or impulsiveness restricting the use of the intelligence that she has shown, and also that at varying times, she has been written more and less intelligent and has not used the opportunities that she has had wisely. Those would be considered subjective approaches that opinions could be offered on. But is she intelligent? I don't think anyone can offer any evidence that she doesn't have the capabilities stated.

Intelligence is subjective, because it may or may not be defined as you stated above, but that doesn't mean everyone sees it that way. What someone calls intelligence someone else might call foolishness. It's all based on perspective.

I'll have to agree with MBCorp and say that intelligence might not even be definable to the point where someone can say "it's this but it's not this" and that's just the way things are.

[wraith808]

Ok... let me put it this way. Human intelligence is measured in such ways, which is what we're talking about. I figured that qualification of the word would be obvious considering that we were talking about people. And when one is referring to foolishness, it seems that one would be crossing the boundaries into defining wisdom, rather than just intelligence.

[SnarkMasterJ]

I knew what you were talking about. But that's just...a futile argument, and we could go back and forth all day long on what's considered intelligence and what isn't, so I'm not going to bother belabouring the issue.

Initially, and as I should've clarified, I wanted to say that a person's ability to view a character as intelligent or unintelligent is what is subjective. There may be barriers of socially acceptable definitions of "intelligence" but that has no bearing on someone's opinion.

[curiosity]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
Loved your line about brother and sister. I honestly don't know how they will link them romantically without an ewwwww factor. It's just too strong a sibling vibe at this point.

Love your example of how Lois would keep a secret.

And again love your take on Clark's secret. :)




Wow. Talk about nitpicking. I would like to know, does anyone claiming Lois and Clark have a brother/sister relationship actually have a brother/sister? (one that's very close in age) Because, I have a brother who is 11 months older than me, and guess what?


Lois and Clark DO NOT have a brother/sister relationship.

If you want to talk about an Ewwwww factor, well, I would never go into the bathroom with my brother in the- Ewwwww- shower, (I can hardly get the words out), and I would never comment on seeing his-- Ewwwww, excuse me while I go and throw up--- "gag, barf, puke". And I would NEVER wear his clothes, that would be weird. And a brother and sister, just don't relate to each other in the way Lois and Clark do.

Also, a brother would never get out of his room and sleep on the couch for his sister. Seriously, Lois and Clark have a relationship where they don't want to admit to themselmselves or each other, any attraction. It's common, it happens. It's not a high school type thing, it's more grown up.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I knew what you were talking about. But that's just...a futile argument, and we could go back and forth all day long on what's considered intelligence and what isn't, so I'm not going to bother belabouring the issue.

Initially, and as I should've clarified, I wanted to say that a person's ability to view a character as intelligent or unintelligent is what is subjective. There may be barriers of socially acceptable definitions of "intelligence" but that has no bearing on someone's opinion.

That's my point though. That's the wrong use of the term. What you can visibly measure and what you see is not intelligence. It's the capability of the person to utilize the intelligence in a manner that is compatible with your perceptions of it. That is *very* subjective, and what people are usually talking about when they say "so and so is intelligent." The measures of intelligence vary, but the fact of the matter is, it is only as subjective as it relates to the measure, not in general.

But I suppose one of the reasons for the disagreement on the term stems from the fact that you are not the person who originally brought it up, and their terms weren't something about a simple viewpoint of Lois is unintelligent, sic:


Congenitally unable to grasp any complex concepts, lois returns to simplistic kid-speak for a stupid statement since she could not understand Clark on any level of maturity. Possibly a by-product of her choice to be poorly educated.

Congenital is a distinctly measurable state, i.e. a birth defect. I called him on it, and he defended his statement. It wasn't a measure of opinion, it was more an absolute statement. Granted, it was pretty silly of me to even discuss it, but there you have it.

Other people have questioned her (subjective) intelligence, and that's always been fine with me, an opinion, as you state so well. I personally don't question that, but rather her judgement at times. But that's a personal choice. But put in that way, I rose to the bait.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by curiosity
Lois and Clark DO NOT have a brother/sister relationship.

If you want to talk about an Ewwwww factor, well, I would never go into the bathroom with my brother in the- Ewwwww- shower, (I can hardly get the words out), and I would never comment on seeing his-- Ewwwww, excuse me while I go and throw up--- "gag, barf, puke". And I would NEVER wear his clothes, TOO DISGUSTING, not to mention, weird. And a brother and sister, just don't relate to each other in the way Lois and Clark do.

Also, a brother would never get out of his room and sleep on the couch for his sister. Seriously, Lois and Clark have a relationship where they don't want to admit to themselmselves or each other, any attraction. It's common, it happens. It's not a high school type thing, it's more grown up.

I'm not talking about when they first meet. I am talking about the way thier relationship has built. And yes Family members will get out of thier room for another. When we vist our Family we often have this agument about not taking the rooms from them and putting them on the couch.

[curiosity]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
I'm not talking about when they first meet. I am talking about the way thier relationship has built. And yes Family members will get out of thier room for another. When we vist our Family we often have this agument about not taking the rooms from them and putting them on the couch.


But the discussion isn't about "family memebers", it's about a brother and sister, late teens to young adults, about a year apart, living, not visiting, under the same roof.

My brother would never have left his room for me, visiting, living in the same house, or however you want to put it, and vice versa.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by curiosity
But the discussion isn't about "family memebers", it's about a brother and sister, late teens to young adults, about a year apart, living, not visiting, under the same roof.

My brother would never have left his room for me, visiting, living in the same house, or however you want to put it, and vice versa.

My cousin did for his sister. She flooded the bathroom, thier was water damage, her room was wreaked and he gave her his room and he slept on the couch. So it is a brotherly thing to do for your sister. And yes they were in thier late teens at the time.

[curiosity]

Were they just a year apart and no more than that? Because, I've never heard of that. I've heard of things like that for a sibling a few years younger, but not about the same age.

And even so, what about the shower scene?

[sweetiepieeyed]

1 and a half years apart,
also have to concider Mamakent. She most likey wouldnt want to put a guest on the couch. But I do, see THIS lois and Clark very sibling like. Loads of people do, maybe not the first meeting but definatly as thier relashionship grew.

[Atomic girl]

Originally posted by curiosity
Wow. Talk about nitpicking. I would like to know, does anyone claiming Lois and Clark have a brother/sister relationship actually have a brother/sister? (one that's very close in age) Because, I have a brother who is 11 months older than me, and guess what?


Lois and Clark DO NOT have a brother/sister relationship.

If you want to talk about an Ewwwww factor, well, I would never go into the bathroom with my brother in the- Ewwwww- shower, (I can hardly get the words out), and I would never comment on seeing his-- Ewwwww, excuse me while I go and throw up--- "gag, barf, puke". And I would NEVER wear his clothes, TOO DISGUSTING, not to mention, weird. And a brother and sister, just don't relate to each other in the way Lois and Clark do.

Also, a brother would never get out of his room and sleep on the couch for his sister. Seriously, Lois and Clark have a relationship where they don't want to admit to themselmselves or each other, any attraction. It's common, it happens. It's not a high school type thing, it's more grown up.

One thing to consider here is your brother is older not younger than you. In situations where the ages are reversed there is a slightly different relationship. Your reaction to my statement definitely reflects a sibling relationship, but I'm betting your relationship hasn't had some of the same things happen as Lois and Clark. (Imagine coming back from bootcamp and your brother is visiting, some of your experiences may make you less inhibited from going in the bathroom while he's in there shaving his beard.)

You might have a different relationship with your brother than many - that's OK. And I know many bro/sis sibling relationships where one would enter the bathroom while the other is in there, if the shower curtain is not see though. They might retrieve a brush, toothbrush etc. especially if the other is taking a marathon shower as Lois claimed. Many households still have one 1 bathroom, you learn to make some concessions in those situations. It's not weird, but practical, but privacy is still maintained.

And only siblings would ever get the unfortunate opportunity to accidentally see their sib in some state of undress.

And while I think their relationship is more sibling than anything, the fact remains they are not siblings, so some things in the relationship reflect that.

I see your POV, but I think the sibling vibe is still there.

[curiosity]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
One thing to consider here is your brother is older not younger than you. In situations where the ages are reversed there is a slightly different relationship. Your reaction to my statement definitely reflects a sibling relationship, but I'm betting your relationship hasn't had some of the same things happen as Lois and Clark. (Imagine coming back from bootcamp and your brother is visiting, some of your experiences may make you less inhibited from going in the bathroom while he's in there shaving his beard.)

You might have a different relationship with your brother than many - that's OK. And I know many bro/sis sibling relationships where one would enter the bathroom while the other is in there, if the shower curtain is not see though. They might retrieve a brush, toothbrush etc. especially if the other is taking a marathon shower as Lois claimed. Many households still have one 1 bathroom, you learn to make some concessions in those situations. It's not weird, but practical, but privacy is still maintained.

And only siblings would ever get the unfortunate opportunity to accidentally see their sib in some state of undress.

And while I think their relationship is more sibling than anything, the fact remains they are not siblings, so some things in the relationship reflect that.

I see your POV, but I think the sibling vibe is still there.

I don't know. Shaving is a completely different story.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Not all brother and sister's who are close act the same as another Brother and Sister who are close. All realashonships are diffrent. Just because you dont act like that wont mean someone else wont. I cannot see how that is insulting.

[curiosity]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
Not all brother and sister's who are close act the same as another Brother and Sister who are close. All realashonships are diffrent. Just because you dont act like that wont mean someone else wont. I cannot see how that is insulting.

It basically boils down to, a lot of people have the misconception that a brother/sister relationship is like Grey's Anatomy, where the guy is rooming with the girls and it's cute, and they go in the bathroom when he's in the shower, but...... he's a platonic friend and it'a all funny.

That may be a coed DO, but it's a brother/sister DON'T. We don't do that. For many more reasons than one. So whereas Lois an Clark may have acted like coeds, they do not act as brother and sister. And coeds can and do turn into dating relationships. Brothers and sisters DON'T.

I hope this helps clear things up. :)

[Tae]

Originally posted by curiosity
It basically boils down to, a lot of people have the misconception that a brother/sister relationship is like Grey's Anatomy, where the guy is rooming with the girls and it's cute, and they go in the bathroom when he's in the shower, but...... he's a plutonic friend and it'a all funny.

That may be a coed DO, but it's a brother/sister DON'T. We don't do that. For many more reasons than one. So whereas Lois an Clark may have acted like coeds, they do not act as brother and sister. And coeds can and do turn into dating relationships. Brothers and sisters DON'T.

I hope this helps clear things up. :)

that's a great way of putting it. it's like saying they have only a friendship now (which i personally think is starting to get deeper) versus they act like siblings (gross!)

[eas]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
Not all brother and sister's who are close act the same as another Brother and Sister who are close. All realashonships are diffrent. Just because you dont act like that wont mean someone else wont. I cannot see how that is insulting.

I think I can speak for anyone who has a sibling of an opposite sex: if you're behaving like Clark/Lois with your blood sibling, people are going to think you're odd. Very odd. I'm not insulted -- in fact, I'm somewhat amused that that you think there are brothers and sisters out there who act like Lois & Clark.

If my brother ever saw me naked, he sure as hell wouldn't be glancing down at my chest area. He'd immediately turn around and go, "what the hell is the matter with you? Put on a towel -- I'm scarred for life. Thanks."

Clark didn't say or do anything of the sort -- instead, he glanced at her eyes, then at her chest, then at her eyes, then at her chest & he didn't move until she slammed the door shut. Not exactly brother type of behaviour there.

The first time she met him? Before she knew who he was? She openly checked him out at the hospital. And she clearly liked what she saw.

The dunk tank/hair ruffling scene? Yeah, good friends act like that. But when good guy/girl friends act like that? They can easily end up liking each other in a romantic way. The close-up on Chloe's face when they had that scene clearly showed that there was something up between them.

The arm punches & the rolling of the eyes? Very flirty to me. I used to act that way with my husband all the time. People used to say they hated being in the room with us because we'll always take over the conversation with sarcastic retorts to each other back and forth. And I had tons of friends who pointed out to me that we liked each other & I denied it forever. In fact, I used to argue that he was like a brother to me because he was my brother's good friend. I was in denial. We've been together 10 years now. (And, no, I don't see him like my brother. :lol: )

(As an aside, this whole discussion reminds of that episode of "Friends" titled, 'The One With the Inappropriate Sister'. The whole episode was about a guy that Rachel dated who went around physically fighting his sister & they did things like take baths together.)


Originally posted by curiosity
It basically boils down to, a lot of people have the misconception that a brother/sister relationship is like Grey's Anatomy, where the guy is rooming with the girls and it's cute, and they go in the bathroom when he's in the shower, but...... he's a plutonic friend and it'a all funny.

That may be a coed DO, but it's a brother/sister DON'T. We don't do that. For many more reasons than one. So whereas Lois an Clark may have acted like coeds, they do not act as brother and sister. And coeds can and do turn into dating relationships. Brothers and sisters DON'T.

I hope this helps clear things up. :)

Completely agree. I think that explaining that they act like "co-eds" is a good description of their relationship.

It may be all platonic between them right now, but it could easily change into some more in the near future.

[TheEradicator6]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Lois' response to that was hilarious. Loved it.
I agree... kinda opens up some Clois in the future. Come on Clark she's asking for an explanation. "Why was he naked in that cornfield" she asks... well baby... haha okay that's all you'll hear outta me.

[SteveS]

Originally posted by wraith808
Your facts are off, and if you can't keep away from the flammatory language, then perhaps you shouldn't try to debate when *you* don't know what you're talking about.

She was already accepted to Met U before she came back onto the show- she was actually coming to say goodbye to CK. She couldn't go because of the missing credits. One quarter and she would have been going- that's why she started into journalism- at Chloe's insistence to get the extra credit hours she needed for an elective.

I would suggest that you explain how a person is admitted to college when they have not graduated from high school. lois attended Smallville high due to her failure to graduate with her classmates wherever she was not attending classes previously. Try again.

I'd think you'd want to look at your arguments, because Lana's parents died *years* ago- you can't keep using that excuse for her. And before you even go there, I *do* know what it's like. You have to move on, and considering the fact that at least she had her aunt, she wasn't alone. And from what it seems (I say seems, as we don't know what Lois' life was like before she was shown on SV), Lois' father was absent and her mother dead. So it does seem that she experienced much of the same thing.

As for Chloe, your argument about her father is weak at best. He was never a staple on the show, and very likely didn't want to work for Luthor after they tried to blow him up, so is working elsewhere.

And just because Lois had a semi-functional family is no reason to put her down. Did you have a functional family? If so, does that mean we shouldn't accord you any respect?

My family is fully functional, thanks. One carries with them the qualities of their family life, lois' family is dysfunctional as has been the character herself prior to her over exposure to the Kent family. Lucy is a criminal. She is a bad risk for any relationship, especially with Superman.

Your debating skills and arguments are weak, and you are trying to make up for them by getting me riled it seems- stick to the facts.

I can handle anything that you want to put other there in the realm of reality. Comic books or crayons I am not interested in. You will note that I interspersed my responses to your previous efforts.


Originally posted by ShelbyKent
No. It was the editor of the Inquisitor that spun the "alien angle" on the article because according to said editor, it will sell more copies. The editor has an overrride on how an article is presented. So it's the editor's intelligence and judgement that you should criticize, not Lois'.

That is an unfair comment.

The mother of Lois and Lucy died when thet were both little girls (likely Lois around 6 years old, Lucy around 3 years old) Their father, Gen. Sam Lane, did not remarry and there was no female relative who looked after the 2 girls. The General was not exactly an emo kind of man, so he raised his daughters the way he would train new recruits. And since Sam Lane was an active US general, he and the girls did not have a permanent residence, moving from one military base to the other.

Despite these less than ideal circumstances, Lois, no less than a child herself, did her best to look after little Lucy. That's a pretty tall order, a 6 year old trying to raise a 3 year old, with minimal supervision from an emotionally distant father. But Lucy didn't die, she wasn't malnourished, she wasn't remanded to the custody of Social Services due to neglect, and she did well enough in elementary grade in order to be accepted at an exclusive European boarding school. Lucy coped and flourished despite an unconventional upbringing. And that's to Lois' credit!

Anyone who seriously takes a Hollywood writer's blather that a 6 years is the sole 'mother' model to a 3 year old as reality needs a dose of reality. What we could say is that whatever lois' claim, Lucy came out crooked. That is a fair response, but it is of no credit to lois.

As for Lucy being a budding juvenile criminal...

Lois can't check-on her sister 24/7 while Lucy's all the way in Europe. And Lucy keeps telling Lois that everything was going great at boarding school. Lois was not the one who encouraged or coached Lucy into dabbling with criminal elements.Whether out of rebellion, boredom or caprice, that was Lucy's own decision, unfortunately. It's always one's own choice whether to do right or wrong. It's like in the case of Clark: Jonathan and Martha raised him well but out of his own choice, he was being a broody, mopey, self-involved BDA who refused to accept consequences for his actions in Seasons 1-5 . Now in Season 6 Clark chooses to take responsibility for his actions (well, he's starting to anyway).

Not discussing Clark in this thread, but you are right, Lucy and lois are responsible for their own poor choices in life. (If Clark held true to his calling, he would have to apprehend Lucy for any crimes great or small that she committed...)

Ironically, Lucy's plan to fake her own kidnapping & swindle Lex Luthor hinged heavily on the fact that Lucy knows Lois will never let her down and will help her out of any jam, just as Lois had always done when they were growing-up.


Why is "heaven" not an acceptable reply, given the circumstances? Lois was semi-unconscious the whole time, had serious injuries, she probably thought she was dying. Being in a crystal fortress built by an alien technology in the middle of the arctic is not exactly high on the logical list of probable locations, as far as her character (and what her character knows so far) is concerned. And I’m sure Martha Kent wasn’t forthcoming with explanations either about where exactly they crashed ;)

Most people of intelligence might say that they had some interesting hallucinations while unconscious, since lois didn't experience what is commonly called a near-death experience.

Seeing that Lois’ life pre-Smallville was not explicitly detailed, I don’t know how you can assume that Lois was living capriciously with daddy footing the credit bill each time. I guess Lois applying for student loans or having a part-time job is out of the realm of possibility for you.

There is no reference to any previous job by lois on the program, but she is showed as basically incompetent in several areas. Credit card bills are paid from somewhere and it doesn't appear that lois has earned too much based solely on her good lucks. Daddy paid.

Just to clarify:
-There’s been no explicit mention of Uncle Gabe dying or disowning Chloe, so we can assume he’s still somewhere around in “off-screenville” to help support Chloe. Unless she got a full ride, Chloe’s job at the DP for now, is still not enough to finance college, assuming Chloe is on a regular 4 year track and is a regular student. But yes, props for Chloe for getting the DP job.

-Lana’s parents did die but she was not completely an abandoned child. Her Aunt Nell took her in and raised her, and helped put her through school. Fortunately, Lana did not spend her formative years in destitution. It was not like she grew up in an orphanage and was completely dependent on the state for her upbringing. Plus it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Aunt Nell still provides Lana with a bit of financial support even when Lana decided to live at the Talon. (it would be heartless of Nell not to, seeing that Lana is the only child of her dead sister) This may help to explain why Lana can always afford to wear the trendiest clothes ;). But yes it was admirable of Lana to manage the Talon’s conversion into a coffeehouse. Of course, her business plan would never have gotten off the ground without Lex’s financial backing. It was so nice of Lex to be a generous benefactor and business partner. And Lex continues to be such a good benefactor to Lana this season ;)

Fan wanks about how Auntie Nell sends money to Lana are strictly personal fantasies. Lana did present her plan to Lex and her venture was successful.



SV!Lois probably thinks SV!Clark is dysfunctional,too ;) Broody, always feeling sorry for himself, awkward, refuses to realize his full potential....

His family is fully functional, he has at least 2 good friends, he graduated from high school on time, had scholarship offers, worked on the farm, and saves people's lives and is not dependent on the general largesse of a family not his own even after his father dies. Not too shabby.

Almost all the main protagonists in SV at this point are "dysfunctional:"
-Clark is a dysfunctional superhero because he doesn't even want to be one. He hasn't even realized that he could be one!
-Lex is a dysfunctional villain because he still hasn't fully embraced his dark side.

But that is the premise of Smallville. We're supposed to see the younger, unpolished versions of the characters evolve into their future iconic personas.

Evolution is fine and dandy, but very few get passes for their repeated missteps.

[President_Luthor]

Every single character on SV has made missteps, and considering how long Clark has taken to learn some of these lessons (with Ollie having to, essentially, spell them out for him this season), I expect that we'll see 'all' of them stumble their way towards their destinies (a big if, since IMHO Clark doesn't seem to have much of a clue what he's going to do with his future if Ollie wasn't there to prod him -- it figures they needed a Star City outsider to drag the lot of 'em kickin' and screamin' towards their fate!)

Keep it up, Ollie. It's long overdue that the whole town gets drop-kicked into their destinies, and it might as well be the Emerald Archer's job to do that.

I took Clark's smirk after Lois' remark to mean that he's -- maybe, possibly, hopefully -- grasping the concept that his lying might not be the best way to protect people.

Far too many of Clark's friends and associates have indulged and coddled his lack of initiative and superheroic arrogance. I am relieved that Ollie and Lois are, evidently, not putting up with it.

(And yes, I am implying that Chloe, Lana, Lex, Martha, Lionel et al do have something to learn from that, since they have all been complicit in Clark's plodding progress.)

There 'are' no innocents, not on this show.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by eas
I think I can speak for anyone who has a sibling of an opposite sex: if you're behaving like Clark/Lois with your blood sibling, people are going to think you're odd. Very odd. I'm not insulted -- in fact, I'm somewhat amused that that you think there are brothers and sisters out there who act like Lois & Clark.

If my brother ever saw me naked, he sure as hell wouldn't be glancing down at my chest area. He'd immediately turn around and go, "what the hell is the matter with you? Put on a towel -- I'm scarred for life. Thanks."



It basically boils down to, a lot of people have the misconception that a brother/sister relationship is like Grey's Anatomy, where the guy is rooming with the girls and it's cute, and they go in the bathroom when he's in the shower, but...... he's a platonic friend and it'a all funny.

Well i have never watched Grey's anatomy, and again, i am not talking about when they first meet, I dont thionk Lois has walked in on him in the shower since that first time, i could be wrong. I am talking about how I and many other see what thier realashonship has GROWN INTO plus Lois has addmitted Clark is like a brother to her. Plus the glancing at the chest area, IMO Clark didnt look to happy with it, more like an OMG reaction, the same reaction as i had when a friend cut her hand. I hate Blood yet couldnt turn away from the wound. It's just looking at something that is usually coverd up.I mean he did not look to pleased when Lois was Gyrating on his lap in exposed .But all this being said. ALOT of people see them romanticaly and ALOT of people see them as having a sibling realationship I am one of them. Tbtb really messed this realashonship up for me and many others.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I think its less of sibling relationship and more of a roommate relationship.
Alot of roommmates who hated each other are happily married today.
Its destiny!

[Farm_Girl]

I wouldn't honestly go into argument with the brother/sister thing. It is just too lame.

Writers had to show a flirtatious relationship between Lois and Clark because they will be married in future, and they did a very good job of dropping anvils and foreshadowing their future all the time.

The writers are not stupid, they won't make them look like siblings. You don't watch your sister lapdance in front of you and your sister won't sit in your lap in a stripper club.. that is just.. retarded..

Infact Clark's usual behavior with Chloe is more little sister like.

Anyway, I won't give examples to prove the obvious.

Anybody who thinks they act like siblings.. what would you say when they share a kiss? :rotfl:

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
I wouldn't honestly go into argument with the brother/sister thing. It is just too lame.

Writers had to show a flirtatious relationship between Lois and Clark because they will be married in future, and they did a very good job of dropping anvils and foreshadowing their future all the time.

The writers are not stupid, they won't make them look like siblings. You don't watch your sister lapdance in front of you and your sister won't sit in your lap in a stripper club.. that is just.. retarded..

Infact Clark's usual behavior with Chloe is more little sister like.

Anyway, I won't give examples to prove the obvious.

Anybody who thinks they act like siblings.. what would you say when they share a kiss? :rotfl:

Welcome to Kentucky ?

[eas]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
I am talking about how I and many other see what thier realashonship has GROWN INTO plus Lois has addmitted Clark is like a brother to her.

Other than the deleted scene, when did Lois admit that Clark was like a brother to her? I don't remember it.

I do remember seeing:

-- Lois bake three cakes for him & throwing him a birthday party. She gives him a journal as a birthday present, because he "keeps things inside" so much.

-- Telling Lana that she would "be lucky to have someone as honorable as Clark some day."

-- Clark admitting to Lois that sometimes he thinks she doesn't know him at all, and "other times, better than anyone."

-- Clark admitting, with a smile, that he was glad she was back from her trip to the "ice palace" and then he reached out to hold her hand.

They've evolved the relationship between Clark and Lois to the extent that the two do have respect and affection for each other. And they constantly try to hide it behind witty banter, only letting their guards down from time to time.

This is actually one of the things that make the ship *not* like a brother/sister relationship to me. If it was just sappy and admiring (or one sided pining) it would be a one dimensional relationship that had nowhere to go. What I like about is that the two readily admit that they are constantly surprised by each other. They're always learning new things and growing closer, while staying firmly in denial about any possibility of romance. It's fun watching them do the dance.

Reminds me of the most classic love stories -- Elizabeth and Darcy. Benedict and Beatrice. Clark and Lois's attraction may not be obvious at this point -- but it's clear that there's something simmering under the surface.

[shirkie]

Many of us see the relationship as sibling-like-- at least at this stage in the game. The lap dance, for example, was anything but sexy, at least from Clark's point of view. He couldn't have looked more uncomfortable if that had been *Martha* writhing around in his lap.

Lois & Clark will be romantic later, but right now, they give off a definite bro/sis vibe.
shirkie

[Farm_Girl]

^^ I didn't say that the lapdance was sexy. I said that you won't give your brother a lapdance. You would run away and bury yourself in the ground before doing that!

[curiosity]

Exactly. If they were siblings, Lois would never have done that in the first place, and Clark wouldn't have let her.

He woud have left or ran out, or grabbed and stopped her, or something!


Originally posted by Farm_Girl
^^ I didn't say that the lapdance was sexy. I said that you won't give your brother a lapdance. You would run away and bury yourself in the ground before doing that!


Originally posted by eas
Other than the deleted scene, when did Lois admit that Clark was like a brother to her? I don't remember it.

I do remember seeing:

-- Lois bake three cakes for him & throwing him a birthday party. She gives him a journal as a birthday present, because he "keeps things inside" so much.

-- Telling Lana that she would "be lucky to have someone as honorable as Clark some day."

-- Clark admitting to Lois that sometimes he thinks she doesn't know him at all, and "other times, better than anyone."

-- Clark admitting, with a smile, that he was glad she was back from her trip to the "ice palace" and then he reached out to hold her hand.

They've evolved the relationship between Clark and Lois to the extent that the two do have respect and affection for each other. And they constantly try to hide it behind witty banter, only letting their guards down from time to time.

This is actually one of the things that make the ship *not* like a brother/sister relationship to me. If it was just sappy and admiring (or one sided pining) it would be a one dimensional relationship that had nowhere to go. What I like about is that the two readily admit that they are constantly surprised by each other. They're always learning new things and growing closer, while staying firmly in denial about any possibility of romance. It's fun watching them do the dance.

Reminds me of the most classic love stories -- Elizabeth and Darcy. Benedict and Beatrice. Clark and Lois's attraction may not be obvious at this point -- but it's clear that there's something simmering under the surface.


I totally agree with you. I like their relationship and how it's developing. Many adults really don't admit to themselves or others when they start developing feelings for someone.

[Dor el]

I don't know. Under certain circumstances, for example when you're dealing with and surrounded by murderers in an under the police radar night club, one might be surprised at what he/she would do. Shirkie is right. Clark did indeed look tremendously uncomfortable with that undercover lapdance. They do, at the moment, seem like they have a bro/sis relationship. At least that's how I see it.

[curiosity]

I can't wait until Lois and Clark actually get together, but I do like watching their relationship develop. It was really sweet when he held her hand in the hospital.

I also like the part in season 4 when Lois follwed Clark into the guys locker room, and he tells her --the last time he checked she was missing a few requiremnts for being in there.

And she replies, "So you have been checking me out".

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by curiosity
I can't wait until Lois and Clark actually get together, but I do like watching their relationship develop. It was really sweet when he held her hand in the hospital.

I also like the part in season 4 when Lois follwed Clark into the guys locker room, and he tells her --the last time he checked she was missing a few requiremnts for being in there.

And she replies, "So you have been checking me out".


:D

[TerraMan]

Originally posted by shirkie
Many of us see the relationship as sibling-like-- at least at this stage in the game. The lap dance, for example, was anything but sexy, at least from Clark's point of view. He couldn't have looked more uncomfortable if that had been *Martha* writhing around in his lap.

Lois & Clark will be romantic later, but right now, they give off a definite bro/sis vibe.
shirkie

looks more like kissing cousins :D

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by eas
Other than the deleted scene, when did Lois admit that Clark was like a brother to her? I don't remember it.

I do remember seeing:

-- Lois bake three cakes for him & throwing him a birthday party. She gives him a journal as a birthday present, because he "keeps things inside" so much.

-- Telling Lana that she would "be lucky to have someone as honorable as Clark some day."

-- Clark admitting to Lois that sometimes he thinks she doesn't know him at all, and "other times, better than anyone."

-- Clark admitting, with a smile, that he was glad she was back from her trip to the "ice palace" and then he reached out to hold her hand.



I think it was in LUCY Lois likens Clark to a brother.

I dont see how baking a bunch of cakes and getting nice presnt for someone eqautes to being non sisterly.

Thinking Clark is honarable isnt again a non sibling thing.

Knowing someone well doesnt give of a non sibling vibe. (Anyway, where have we seen how wel Lois knows Clark I thnk it was a couple of episodes earlier, she totally thought Clark was capible of Cheating)

And being happy someone did'nt die again not restricted to soon to be lovers, and Lois looked squicked out by the hand holding.

I still see them as sister and brither like. On another site one wich i post, this has come up and alot of people dont know how they can rectify it, and some think they may be doing this on purpose.


I don't know. Under certain circumstances, for example when you're dealing with and surrounded by murderers in an under the police radar night club, one might be surprised at what he/she would do. Shirkie is right. Clark did indeed look tremendously uncomfortable with that undercover lapdance. They do, at the moment, seem like they have a bro/sis relationship. At least that's how I see it.

Exactaly, doind an illegal ivestigation, you wont want to draw attention to youself or anyone else by jumping up screaming "ewww cooties" Clark looked grossed out. Didnt want to put a hand anywhere near her, she looked ticked off.

[curiosity]

Except that Clark has superpowers, and could have prevented anyone from getting hurt at superspeed.

I hope we get more Lois and Clark scenes in the next episode, though it looks like mostly Raya. But we can still hope.;)

[sweetiepieeyed]

Yeah, i know he could have used superspeed, and we know Clark often stupidly uses it in public (stupid Clark) but how would he have explained it to Lois.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
I still see them as sister and brither like. On another site one wich i post, this has come up and alot of people dont know how they can rectify it, and some think they may be doing this on purpose.

It's all subjective though. You may see them as brother/sister like, but obviously quite alot of other people don't.

And I get that you're referring to the Chlois theory, but that's off topic for this thread and really has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

[SteveS]

"And she replies, "So you have been checking me out"."

Yep, Clark checked her out from head to toe when she was straight from the shower and exhibited the least interest or enthusiasm one could possibly expect from a hetero 19 year old male.

About the same arousal, minus the embarrassment, that a brother would have for a sister.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by MBCorp
It's all subjective though. You may see them as brother/sister like, but obviously quite alot of other people don't.

And I get that you're referring to the Chlois theory, but that's off topic for this thread and really has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

I never said that I was right and everyone else was wrong. Just that this is how I see it and others see it. I know alot of other people dont see it the way i do. That is what makes for a good debate.
And i never mentiond or refered anything to the Chlois theory. I like the Chlois theory, but not for the Clark/Chloe realashonship, i like it for the journolistic reason and the whole lightswitch verses life long dream, but your right that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here.
I honestly didnt see a brother sister vibe with Lois and Clark tyhe first couple of episodes but as time went on i saw it more and more

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by eas
I If my brother ever saw me naked, he sure as hell wouldn't be glancing down at my chest area. He'd immediately turn around and go, "what the hell is the matter with you? Put on a towel -- I'm scarred for life. Thanks."


Are quoting me eas:p I said practicaly the same thing a few years ago when I walked in my sister, and I still have nightmares about it, not that she is ugly, but she is MY SISTER.



Clark didn't say or do anything of the sort -- instead, he glanced at her eyes, then at her chest, then at her eyes, then at her chest & he didn't move until she slammed the door shut. Not exactly brother type of behaviour there.

Im a cloiser, I didnt see any attraction there but I also didnt see a sibling reaction, I remember the day I walked in my sister as if it was yesterday (the old wounds still hurt:)) and one thing I remeber was scarscely getting a tiny glimps on the back of my eye, cause as soon as I saw her I was already ducking my head down, closing and covering my eyes, screaming, and closing the door.

Unless Lois and Clark are like the siblings from The Dreamers, I thought the movie context was awsome (Paris in the 60s student and labour movements, and parcially a young american´s point of view of the whole issue) but I just couldt get over the fact that the two french kids were siblings and that kind of ruined the whole movie for me.


sweetiepieeyed
Thinking Clark is honarable isnt again a non sibling thing.

NO but saying" I would be lucky to marry anyone as honourable as my brother(Clark)" would be, I just dont see my sister putting me in a "getting married with her" context but hey, some rednecks marry their sisters, so who am I to judge, ya knwo with Clark being all hillbilly and from a farm and stuff :D

[Luthorism]

i loved that scene!

Sooo Hilarious!

That's why i love lois so much!

One of the best scenes i've seen for a while!

[Tae]

Originally posted by Luthorism
i loved that scene!

Sooo Hilarious!

That's why i love lois so much!

One of the best scenes i've seen for a while!

i totally agree. clark even agreed when he smiled at her, and that guy never cracks an emotion...

[Luthorism]

yeah..totally..he never cracks an emotion :)

[Kal-ed]

She seems to be the only one to take him out of brooding mode, by not taking him as seriously as he takes himself, I think its a good counterpart, she needs to straighten up, he needs to lighten up, IMO good conbination.

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by chlarklove
That's a fanwank.

In Pariah, she's telling Chloe to keep it a secret from Clark.

In Reunion, Clark tells "Lois" that sometimes people keep secrets to protect the ones they love and she calls it RETARDED.

It completely contradicts her advice she gave to Chloe. Why would she think it's retarded now, when she was telling Chloe to KEEP A SECRET because it wouldn't hurt the person and just wait for that person to tell her when they were ready back then?



And Chloe doesn't do that? Right okay. The difference is, Chloe ENCOURAGES Clark and makes him feel good about himself. She doesn't INSULT him.


Please don't make this into a Chloe versus Lois thread. It's boring.

[Tae]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
Please don't make this into a Chloe versus Lois thread. It's boring.

not to mention there's already a million of them out there, multiplying as we speak!!!

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by Tae
not to mention there's already a million of them out there, multiplying as we speak!!!

And none of them ever proved that Chloe is anything special.

The writers would never even make Chloe look better than Lois. Lois is the lead character of the story. She is and will be the ultimate woman in Clark's life.

Anyway, I hate Lois vs Chloe threads, infact I don't think Lois should be compared to any other woman in Clark's life. Lois is Lois, Clark's true love and his future wife, she is too special to be compared to anyone.

Lois Lane is an amazing woman, no one is like her or can become like her.. that is why she is Lois Lane!!

If she has flaws, then even they are part of what Lois Lane is!!

And seriously, enough with the comparison threads, no one is interested anymore!

[SteveS]

The lois lane on Smallville is not an amazing woman or girl,nor is she Clark's love or luv and she is not a lead character in Smallville. She will never be his wife on Smallville.

On Smallville, it is Chloe that has been shown to be entirely special and until her recent miraculous conversion, lois has mostly been shown to be an aimless flounderer dependent on either her Daddy or the Kent family.

Hence the debate continues.:D

[President_Luthor]

Considering that Chloe wasn't even 'in' this scene where Lois made this remark (and Clark smirked at it, which IMHO means that he's slowly grasping the idea that his secrets act is wearing thin), I don't see how she would have any input in this thread.

I would go back to my previous assertion that Chloe is part of that long list of SV citizens (Lana, Lex, Martha, etc.), IMHO, who have coddled Clark's lackadaisical attitude about his destiny over the past five years. He's been content to hand off the initiative-taking side to her - something he should be doing on his own, as the supposed future "greatest" of all superheroes. He's been a ship without a sail until very recently, listlessly driving to whatever port the current takes him (I'll do what Jor-El says, no maybe I won't, Milton Fine is right, no maybe he's not, I'll listen to the drawings in the caves, maybe I won't, etc.) I am glad Ollie's not going to indulge Clark in that slacker's approach to destiny, and that Lois isn't going to let him get on his soap box about "secrets".

This isn't a show of saints, far from it. Not a single character on the show is perfect, and IMHO that was the show's intention. We could split hair about how well that worked for them (Is Clark perhaps too flawed), but the show's essence is in the shades of grey.

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by SteveS
The lois lane on Smallville is not an amazing woman or girl,nor is she Clark's love or luv and she is not a lead character in Smallville. She will never be his wife on Smallville.

On Smallville, it is Chloe that has been shown to be entirely special and until her recent miraculous conversion, lois has mostly been shown to be an aimless flounderer dependent on either her Daddy or the Kent family.

Hence the debate continues.:D

We don't (or at least I don't) expect Lois to end up 'as his wife' in Smallville. That's not what it's about. Lois as a flounderer is up for debate as well - you could argue that Chloe's love puppy act for Clark (which many Chlark fans want to continue for some bizarre reason) which lasted for several seasons is in fact an example of Chloe being an 'aimless flounderer' and denigrates her as a character.

I would love to see her reaction to Lois and Clark though. It would make great drama. Her jealousy towards Lois might be good too. I do like Chloe a lot. And let's not forget that these are younger versions of the characters we know and love, in the case of Lois, well - she might be a dependent but she won't be forever and we're seeing that now.

[sweetiepieeyed]

I just dont understand how Lois suddenly is wonderfull at journallism. I was ready to give Lois a fair Chance at the reporter buisness but was not prepared for a lightswitch of this magnitude.. With Chloe we got 5 years of seeing how this girl who her whole life loved Journalism studied hard GRADUALTED HIGHSCHOOL IS IN COLLEGE and wrote countless articles to perfect her craft. With Lois we got the Flying barn door of insperation and thats it.....Frontpage writer for a paper that encorages her to lie in her stories...I know lots of people who hate Lois Chloe debates, i try not to do that where people hate it, but it is hard not to when we get to girls with the same job with completely diffrent ways of approching the job. Sigh* this Lois in my eyes is not the Lois from comics.

[President_Luthor]

If Clark spent as much time sticking to his writing skills and less time obsessing about secrets to protect people, he'd be well on his way to becoming the "mild-mannered reporter" of legend. As of this season, SV Clark isn't even in the same atmosphere re: that part of his destiny.

Clark's lightswitch to journalism is going to be the size of Crater Lake, considering how far behind he is on that integral part of his identity. I am amazed how Clark seems to get a free pass on basically opting out of the journalism part of his identity, while Lois - who is actually much farther along than Clark - tends to be locked in a no-win situation.

From my perspective, Clark is the biggest offender in not getting on-track with his reporting experience.

It all goes back to everyone in town indulging his tendency to react to situations instead of being pro-active. Lois basically called his secrets 'n lies delusions as a load of crap (which it is).

I know Clark isn't going anything about it - yet (2 seasons to go) - but I found it refreshing that there are some characters (Ollie and Lois) who aren't going to treat the guy with kid gloves. He's an adult now: it's time for him to take responsibility like one.

It's time for Clark to own up to those cow pies he's been making. :eek:

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

But the fact is that ILL superpower is to be the best reporter ever but Clark main purpose is to be a hero he works at the planet because anything that happens goes trough the planet so he can be a regular reporter there and not big deal but ILL needs to be the best that is why we are harder on Temp Lois for not cutting it...

[President_Luthor]

I'm not expecting Clark - esp SV Clark - to be one of the best reporters, or even a good reporter ... just a credible one. And sadly, his credibility there is sorely lacking.

Reporting might not be the most important thing in Clark's identity, but it is inseparable from his identity (if we want him to at least resemble, in some way, the Clark Kent of legend who actually deserves to work at the Daily Planet and thus, a credible alter ego). It would be reasonable to expect Clark to move in that direction. If there are viewers that wish to see him eventually 'become' Superman of legend by series' end, it would also be reasonable to expect the "Clark Kent, reporter" side of his alter ego to be established by that time. Clark's evolution into the mild-mannered reporter will, IMHO, appear to be rushed and lightswitched with less than two seasons to go. I can't fathom how the mild-mannered reporter side can be exorcised from Clark's character on SV; it's an iconic aspect of his 'other life' ie that of his civilian, non-Kal-El one.

It's IMO that, he has been indulged and coddled for far too long by practically every character on the show, and I am relieved that he is -slowly- being called to account for his delayed initiative in seizing his destiny.

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by sweetiepieeyed
I just dont understand how Lois suddenly is wonderfull at journallism.


What a bizarre comment to make. I don't understand why certain people on this forum continue to say things like: "Lois suddenly becoming a journalist is really unexpected and realistic..."

We all know Lois is going to be a journalist, that's what she is famous for and everyone on the planet knows it so how can it be unexpected? She isn't even 'suddenly wonderful at journalism,' - in fact she can barely spell properly as seen by Chloe. But she's taken the initiative and got herself a job, the same as Chloe going to 'the big city' last season and getting herself a job on The Daily Planet when in fact she only worked at a school paper. That's just as unrealistic and unexpected. As a journalist myself, I know how difficult it is to break into the industry and trust me, Chloe and Lois wouldn't get that far that quickly.

Would these minor details really spoil your enjoyment of the show? These are my opinions anyway. I hope you'll consider them.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

MBCorp I love your avi!!! :D
I hope they manage to get Lillian again in the show.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
What a bizarre comment to make. I don't understand why certain people on this forum continue to say things like: "Lois suddenly becoming a journalist is really unexpected and realistic..."

We all know Lois is going to be a journalist, that's what she is famous for and everyone on the planet knows it so how can it be unexpected? She isn't even 'suddenly wonderful at journalism,' -



After all the things that have happend to Lois in smallville, a flying barn door inspires her to write after being told for TWO years how much she hates it, has no background has no experience then BAMO! She is a front page journolist, with only,what, two highschool articles under her belt and now Bamo! she loves it... I still call Lightswitch. Plus we got 5 +years to see how much Chloe worked at writing, how much she loved it, she suffered for it etc, why not have a storyline for lois instaed of hates it, hates it, hates it, loves it, done...Where was Lois's story, where was her stuggle where was her moment of realising this is what she wants...We were TOLD this we were not SHOWN this.. And in TV you need to show the story.

And i am not so botherd at the moment about Clark not writing because 1) Clarks future main triat is Superman Lois's is Journolism and 2) he has 5 years of school paper under his belt so it will be not so crazy if he goes to college to study it or something.

[Keldaz]

I think that the choise of word was bad, Lame would have been better.

Lois sounded very strange there.

"Thats so lame" Would have been more lois. :) IMO!

[shirkie]

Good to know I'm not the only one a little irked by the use of the word "retarded." Of course, "lame" could be taken as offensive in the same way, so perhaps "stupid" or "sappy" or "tired" or something like that could have been used.
shirkie

[Chlarkerlover]

no, retarded was more lois, expessaily S4 lois.

[Ms. Lane]

I think it is really interesting how easily people's feathers are ruffled by a television show.

If half the world got this passionate about injustices in the real world...the world might become a better place.

It seems that a handful of people are going to be down on Lois no matter what she does or doesn't do on the show and you know what...that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's what forums are for...expressing opinions...so here's mine...

I personally enjoyed that scene with Lois and Clark. When he started saying that line, I was hoping Lois would say something...anything to stop it. Her delivery of that line was perfect and completely Lois. The choice of word, I have to say was a surprise, but after I thought about it...Lois is the sort of person who will say what she wants, being PC is not exactly her thing and in some respect, it is what makes her the great reporter she someday becomes.

It was nice to see a preview of Lane + Kent and I hope we get more glances into the future soon.

AS far as the Chloe VS Lois thing goes...every thread I have read that had to do with Lois has turned into a debate on who is better and yadda yadda yadda. Let me just say that I am a fan of both characters and the constant, redundant back and forth is getting old...and I have only been posting here for about a week or so. As was stated earlier..."Can't we all just get along?"
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[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Ms. Lane
AS far as the Chloe VS Lois thing goes...every thread I have read that had to do with Lois has turned into a debate on who is better and yadda yadda yadda. Let me just say that I am a fan of both characters and the constant, redundant back and forth is getting old...and I have only been posting here for about a week or so. As was stated earlier..."Can't we all just get along?"
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First antis go to Chloe's threads as well to remind us that we are delusional and that Temp Lois is the real deal so we kind of even.
Second you have only being in here a week and are already tired of it!...Oh man you have no idea what did you walked into don't you? :\
If it makes you feel better at least you are not a clanner...Those poor people were killed (by the show itself) the legends says that they emigrated to devoted and sweet, must of them just quitted the show ( I envy those one) and some of them live among us in the form of Cloisers (note that I said SOME: meaning that not all Cloisers were Clanners even though I still haven't met the first Chloiser that were a strong Clanner before) so I suggest to enter here with the idea of someone eventually will pop up and said Chloe is Lois or the other way around.
This is a battlefield bring a shield or at least a good argument :D

[Ms. Lane]

I guess I wasn't quite prepared for the goings on in these forums.
:eek:

I know that other chars get their fair share of abuse, but I don't intend to dish any out. There are chars I like and those I don't, just like everybody else, but I also know what it feels like to always have to feel like you have to "defend" a favorite character...Don't want to have to do that to anybody else. Guess I am a tree hugging hippy. :D

I didn't mean to knock anybody and I hope that my post didn't come off that way. I was just making an observation.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Ms. Lane
I guess I wasn't quite prepared for the goings on in these forums.
:eek:

I know that other chars get their fair share of abuse, but I don't intend to dish any out. There are chars I like and those I don't, just like everybody else, but I also know what it feels like to always have to feel like you have to "defend" a favorite character...Don't want to have to do that to anybody else. Guess I am a tree hugging hippy. :D

I didn't mean to knock anybody and I hope that my post didn't come off that way. I was just making an observation.

No offense at all I just wanted to warn you before bringing on the big weapons. :p
And at least I as a Chloiser don't bring the theory unless SOME anti start to say something like: Temp Lois is the real deal and Chloe is a plot device blah blah blah, to be fair Temp Lois can be praised on her won....or at least she should ;)

[Paul Satanic]

Superman needs a superwoman and that is not Chloe or Lana. It's Lois! Actually, I love Chloe too. She's like Veronica Mars but not as savvy.


Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
First antis go to Chloe's threads as well to remind us that we are delusional and that Temp Lois is the real deal so we kind of even.
Second you have only being in here a week and are already tired of it!...Oh man you have no idea what did you walked into don't you? :\
If it makes you feel better at least you are not a clanner...Those poor people were killed (by the show itself) the legends says that they emigrated to devoted and sweet, must of them just quitted the show ( I envy those one) and some of them live among us in the form of Cloisers (note that I said SOME: meaning that not all Cloisers were Clanners even though I still haven't met the first Chloiser that were a strong Clanner before) so I suggest to enter here with the idea of someone eventually will pop up and said Chloe is Lois or the other way around.
This is a battlefield bring a shield or at least a good argument :D

Ms Lane doesn't need a good argument. She is correct in saying that Lois will always beat Chloe in the long term. Chloe, by her very nature on the show now, will always play second fiddle to Lois or (ugh!) the vile Lana Lang. Sad but true. Jimmy was a good chance to do something different with Chloe and it seems she will evolve into a better character and not some boring love sick puppy waiting desperately for Clark to ask her out. Thank GOD.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
Ms Lane doesn't need a good argument. She is correct in saying that Lois will always beat Chloe in the long term. Chloe, by her very nature on the show now, will always play second fiddle to Lois or (ugh!) the vile Lana Lang. Sad but true. Jimmy was a good chance to do something different with Chloe and it seems she will evolve into a better character and not some boring love sick puppy waiting desperately for Clark to ask her out. Thank GOD.

I said bring a shield or a good argument and I've hearing that Temp Lois was going to be better than Chloe since in Delete Chloe said that her cousin wasn't interested on journalism...Still waiting.... So were is your shield?

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
I said bring a shield or a good argument and I've hearing that Temp Lois was going to be better than Chloe since in Delete Chloe said that her cousin wasn't interested on journalism...Still waiting.... So were is your shield?

I don't need a 'shield'. Lois Lane comparisons are lazy and if you were to compare then Chloe still loses because Lois Lane is an iconic figure and Chloe was invented for Smallville and nobody really cares about her outside that continuity if they even know who she is. Everyone knows that Lois Lane is a journalist so how can it be unexpected for her to become one? Uh? Who cares why she does or how it happens. Just accept it and don't get so stressed.

[sweetiepieeyed]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
Everyone knows that Lois Lane is a journalist so how can it be unexpected for her to become one? Uh? Who cares why she does or how it happens. Just accept it and don't get so stressed.

I care why and how...I always loved LOIS LANE in movies and in LOIS AND CLARK. She made me care about her, respect her, belive she loved what she did, belive she belived in what she did. So YES it does matter how and why, you cant have the argument LOIS LANE IS A JOURNOLIST BECAUSE HER NAME IS LOIS LANE. Smallville decided to have a story about a young Clark Kent to show how he became a teenager into a hero. They didnt just say Clark kent is superman because he has the right name, they bealived there was a story there, same with Lois, there should have been a story there, there should be more then Lois is LOIS because......They gave Chloe 5+ years of loving journolism haveing Clark and Chloe investigate calling themselvs WOODWARD AND BURNSTIEN. YOUR GIRL FRIDAY AND BOYFRIDAY for five years...and lois, we get her love and devotion and talent and passion for journolism over one day. They really need to show and not just tell.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
I don't need a 'shield'. Lois Lane comparisons are lazy and if you were to compare then Chloe still loses because Lois Lane is an iconic figure and Chloe was invented for Smallville and nobody really cares about her outside that continuity if they even know who she is. Everyone knows that Lois Lane is a journalist so how can it be unexpected for her to become one? Uh? Who cares why she does or how it happens. Just accept it and don't get so stressed.

Oh You really need a shield...It it was as simple as just putting everybody where it belongs the show would have been a movie. They need to tell us a compelling story because the ending is already known ...Like in Titanic we all knew the ship was going to sink but we were compelling to know who will survive.
As a reader and audience TPTB have the responsability to show me a journey I feel satisfied with and LS never bring any satisfaction to any story.

[SteveS]

Mod Note:

Edited for breaking rule 10 and boardline flaming.

There is a new James Bond movie and a new actor playing James Bond, where there have been 5 actors playing the part before. Using the loisette's line of non-reasoning, no one can critique the newest Bond because...well, just because he is called Bond, James Bond. Wrongo. This actor is stepping into shoes with a 43 year history and people are going to compare and contrast each and every thing he does to their favorite Bonds of the past. Just tapping one's foot and saying 'he is sooo James Bond, because his name is James Bond' means nothing.

In like manner, this version of lois is going to be compared and contrasted ('bashed' in kiddie lingo is synonymous with critiqued) will all the predecessors who carried the name. lois as such is the breast-of-flesh-there for Smallville with the acid tongue and deficient personality, both of which she showed again last Thursday night. And that is why she is such a divisive character and the most divisive lois lane version ever on screen. Until she is written such as to garner complete respect from viewers (totally unlikely), she will continue to receive well-deserved criticism for her actions and words. (totally likely)

[angelfire east]

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[Honey45]

Aside from the Superman reference, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous for the writer's to give Lois the line "That's retarded".
Especially with a character in the show having a mental disability.

I just thought that was horrible.

[JNottle]

In everyday life, young adults and older teens use it, and most people are fine with it, I know it's offensive, but it wasn't said in an offensive manner, it was said in a slang type of way.