Clark froze Chloe out (Clark trusting Chloe)

[angelfire east]

Clark competely froze Chloe out, I was suprised she wasn't hurt by it.

I thought he trusted her more then that.

[khufu]

She'll almost certainly be in on the Justice League later, so she'll find out soon.

[Damali]

Well... it really wasn't his secret to tell, and if he wasn't going to tell Lois, he shouldn't tell Chloe either.

[thehenry89]

i don't think he froze her out, he had no right to tell her about oliver secret. he never told her about bart.

[k18]

I'm glad he didn't. He can't always keep running to her.

[coasterprincess]

Yeah and I think Chloe respects that. She understands Clark and will help him however she can, but she can't understand everything that comes with it. It's not her place to know about other people, and she understands that.

[FiveForFighting09]

i agree...it wasn't his secret and i think that Chloe understands what kind of secret it is due to her friendship with Clark....i'm glad he didn't tell her...and i think TPTB gave Chloe the realistic reaction to Clark not telling her

[angelfire east]

No but he could have told her that instead of going behind her back and deleting her files. I'm sure if he had asked she would have done it.

[Rafael122]

Well, if you're in Chloe's shoes, it doesnt take much to figure out who it is.

[liana]

Originally posted by angelfire east
No but he could have told her that instead of going behind her back and deleting her files. I'm sure if he had asked she would have done it.

Didn't he do the same with Lois? Almost. I mean, Lois was going to mask the guy, and he stopped her.

I guess he just didn't trust reporters. Oh, sweet irony.;)

[Mog-el]

You mean clark actually knows how to use a computer.:p ;)

I think chloe was more interested, with what clark knows than clark erasing her files.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Rafael122
Well, if you're in Chloe's shoes, it doesnt take much to figure out who it is.

But that doesn't mean Clark should treat her like that.

[FiveForFighting09]

yeah that and i just think he put himself in Ollie's shoes.....it seemed Ollie did a good job of keeping Clark's secret. why shouldn't Clark do the same?

[Damali]

Originally posted by Mog-el
You mean clark actually knows how to use a computer.:p ;)

That certainly would be a new development for Clark. :D

[FiveForFighting09]

lol...yep, seeing how his usual way of dealing with problems like this is just to use his heat vision and *zap*..burn the whole hard drive.

[liana]

One question, I haven't see the episode yet, because I live in Brazil, but someone told me that Lois phoned Chloe asking for help, and she didn't care at all that her cousin was in danger. Was that true? :( I really hope this not true.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by angelfire east
No but he could have told her that instead of going behind her back and deleting her files. I'm sure if he had asked she would have done it.

And that's worked *so* well in the past. I think Clark knows her- and wanted to remove all doubt that she did it, and all temptation to keep the information.

[chloesunshine]

it's not like she's unable to recover the files. :lol:

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by coasterprincess
Yeah and I think Chloe respects that. She understands Clark and will help him however she can, but she can't understand everything that comes with it. It's not her place to know about other people, and she understands that.

That's how I feel about it.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by chloesunshine
it's not like she's unable to recover the files. :lol:

If he went through the trouble to delete the backups, I'm sure he shredded the file on the disk too... pretty easy to do.

[cmm]

Him deleting her files kinda bothered me he should of told her and asked her to do it first. With the trust they have now she would of said okay or compromised.

[Nightingale20]

Originally posted by liana
One question, I haven't see the episode yet, because I live in Brazil, but someone told me that Lois phoned Chloe asking for help, and she didn't care at all that her cousin was in danger. Was that true? :( I really hope this not true.

No it isn't true. She phoned Chloe, Chloe only heard shouting and told Clark that Lois was in danger. Clark then went to help.

[alienkinfolk]

Last season Chloe withheld info from Clark about Lana and Lex hooking up even though she told him anyway after he found out. So even though I was a little surprised about him not telling who GA is, it seems like he pulled a what you don't know what hurt you bit with her. And he promised GA he wouldn't. Clark is going to need a male best bud again at some point.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Mog-el
You mean clark actually knows how to use a computer.:p ;)

I think chloe was more interested, with what clark knows than clark erasing her files.
true her expressions when she says u know who he is/he knows about u was obvious.She knows clark will tell her in time jus not now,I mean he jus heard chloe admit that she left out sum info to lois.So he realized that both chloe/lois were only lookin for oliver to further their career,so I thought his decision to not tell her was appropriate for now.We'll see him tell her later but as of now both her and lois need to ease up on tryin to unmask him.I do think that in due time if he doesn't tell her that she'll worry that GA will turn on clark but I think she'll actually leave it alone as far as findin out.But I do he'll tell once he see its not a big competition between her and lois,and when he finds out more about Ga.

[Daspoo]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark completely froze Chloe out, I was surprised she wasn't hurt by it.


Agreed...in fact, I just think this supports the idea that the writers are in essence writing REALLY bad comic stories. Rushed storylines, too many plot twists per episode... ugh, take your time and make a good episode! :mad:

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by wraith808
And that's worked *so* well in the past. I think Clark knows her- and wanted to remove all doubt that she did it, and all temptation to keep the information.

I'm going in to question how much Clark actully trust Chloe. And from tonights episode it's telling me he doesn't trust her as much as I thought he did.

[khufu]

I don't see the big deal. It's NOT CLARK'S SECRET TO TELL. Chloe wasn't upset, so I don't know why some people here would be.

[Daspoo]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I'm going in to question how much Clark actully trust Chloe. And from tonights episode it's telling me he doesn't trust her as much as I thought he did.

And it's this kinda thinking that makes me very disappointed in the writing for the show these days. ONE thing happens which cause viewers to think something is going on, and then next thing ya know, nothing. This is one example - the Chlark kiss during last season's finale is another. ugh. Something for all reasons of the show significant happens, and in an episode's time, it's dismissed and then nothin'...

[angelfire east]

Mod Note:

I edited the tilte of this thread to better explain the topic

[wraith808]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I'm going in to question how much Clark actully trust Chloe. And from tonights episode it's telling me he doesn't trust her as much as I thought he did.

That's the thing about friendship. Knowing your friends enough to know their weaknesses and accept them. If he had told Chloe to erase them, she would have been tempted to keep them. And if something came up about the files, no matter it Chloe did delete them, Clark would think she didn't. This way, he knows, and it won't be an issue later. I think she understood that.

[Mog-el]

I think clark does trust chloe with everything that happens in his life, but green arrow secret wasn't his to tell. But him deleting the files means that clark thought that chloe would of connet the dots later to ollie and clark thought the best action was to deleted the files behind chloe back.

Yeah he could of handle it a better way with clark saying to her" chloe that program you are using to find out the ring is endangering a friend secret ID that I recently found out, so please trust me and please deleted the files" or something worded like that.

[jmf1]

Originally posted by cmm
Him deleting her files kinda bothered me he should of told her and asked her to do it first. With the trust they have now she would of said okay or compromised.

Chloe still has the camera. She can still download the pictures again and find out if she wants to.

[angelfire east]

I really got the feeling Clark doesn't trust Chloe as much as I thought he did.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by wraith808
That's the thing about friendship. Knowing your friends enough to know their weaknesses and accept them. If he had told Chloe to erase them, she would have been tempted to keep them. And if something came up about the files, no matter it Chloe did delete them, Clark would think she didn't. This way, he knows, and it won't be an issue later. I think she understood that.

I think Clark was prepared that Chloe would dig into the story if he simply left the files on her computer. He knew she would figure out that he deleted them and thus their conversation. As it has been mentioned before, Clark is simply keeping Oliver's secret. Clark cannot unilaterally extend Oliver's trust to Chloe without his permission, that is what keeping someone's confidence means. Trust between Clark and Chloe is not an issue. I can't believe people are even questioning the trust they have. Their friendship is beyond trust at this point and both Clark and Chloe know that.

You're point that friends know each other's weaknesses is very apt here. Clark knows Chloe wouldn't let go of the story, it's just her nature. Just like Clark can't lie, at least very well.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by jmf1
Chloe still has the camera. She can still download the pictures again and find out if she wants to.

True, I didn't think of that.

[spideyfan]

^^ Nope...Clark deleted them.

Also Clark didnt neglect Chloe to much. She knew that he knew and he said "as a favor to him" not to go any deeper. I think their relationship is as solid as ever.

[ginnyfan]

Clark completely trusts Chloe. But the secret is not his to tell. He trusts her because he dropped his lie attempt and let her know that he knew. He's a bad liar anyway so... good move Clark. LOL! But I think what really shows that he trusts Chloe is that he knows he can tell her to back of for him, and that she'll do it. He and Lois are probably the only two people on earth that can do that. Oh and maybe Gabe... and Jimmy? LOL!

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by wraith808
That's the thing about friendship. Knowing your friends enough to know their weaknesses and accept them. If he had told Chloe to erase them, she would have been tempted to keep them. And if something came up about the files, no matter it Chloe did delete them, Clark would think she didn't. This way, he knows, and it won't be an issue later. I think she understood that.

Knowing the their weaknesses and accept them?!? How about trusting them and helping them to grow. I really don't think this was a case of her weaknesses and accept them.

This is about trust, he didn't trust her enough to do it herself if he asked so he went and did it himself. Then tried to hide it all so crappy.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Knowing the their weaknesses and accept them?!? How about trusting them and helping them to grow. I really don't think this was a case of her weaknesses and accept them.

This is about trust, he didn't trust her enough to do it herself if he asked so he went and did it himself. Then tried to hide it all so crappy.

You're missing the point. Clark can't extend Oliver's trust to Chloe without Oliver's approval. Sure, he could ask but that would just complicate things. If you've seen any episodes of Smallville at all you'd know that Chloe would pursue a story to the ends of the Earth, although she definitely has learned lessons in that regard. No, Clark removed all temptation knowing his friend. That's it. Chloe wasn't all that perturbed by it either as I am sure she thought it was interesting that Clark would go to the trouble.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Clark completely trusts Chloe. But the secret is not his to tell. He trusts her because he dropped his lie attempt and let her know that he knew. He's a bad liar anyway so... good move Clark. LOL! But I think what really shows that he trusts Chloe is that he knows he can tell her to back of for him, and that she'll do it. He and Lois are probably the only two people on earth that can do that. Oh and maybe Gabe... and Jimmy? LOL!
agree,which like nospam stated I dont see why the chlark trust is even bein debated its obvious those 2 r solid right now.Now if this was s3 then I would agree but not now


Originally posted by Nospam
You're missing the point. Clark can't extend Oliver's trust to Chloe without Oliver's approval. Sure, he could ask but that would just complicate things. If you've seen any episodes of Smallville at all you'd know that Chloe would pursue a story to the ends of the Earth, although she definitely has learned lessons in that regard. No, Clark removed all temptation knowing his friend. That's it. Chloe wasn't all that perturbed by it either as I am sure she thought it was interesting that Clark would go to the trouble.
true she didn't seem upset cause she even notices that ga knows of clark too and of course we kno she'll back off then if it can hurt clark in the future.But chloe seemed more impressed that clark went thru all of the trouble,not upset.If anythin she seemed alil annoyed at first when he didn't answer her on the phone,cause she asked him.But once she saw the files missin she lighten up and realize that clark had a reason,which she understood.I think he'll tell her in due time but right now its not up to him,I dont think she'll kno til the Justice Episode when all the JLA r back.But she'll kno,in this episode tho clark pointed out to her he saw rivalry brewin between her and lois and probably thought that it was smart to not only protect Ga,but to not hurt lois in the longrun(Cause she told oliver she will pretty much be obssess wit findin out ga).But nothin in that scene makes me believe that clark was in the wrong,or that their trust is even rocky now.It showed clark bein smart for once imo,and chloe respectin that

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Nospam
You're missing the point. Clark can't extend Oliver's trust to Chloe without Oliver's approval. Sure, he could ask but that would just complicate things. If you've seen any episodes of Smallville at all you'd know that Chloe would pursue a story to the ends of the Earth, although she definitely has learned lessons in that regard. No, Clark removed all temptation knowing his friend. That's it. Chloe wasn't all that perturbed by it either as I am sure she thought it was interesting that Clark would go to the trouble.

It's not about Clark not telling Chloe Oliver's secret, your right it's not his place. What it is about is Clark going behind Chloe's back and deleting her files. And I think it shows he doesn't trust her enough not to give into temptation. There's always temptation in life, someitmes you have to trust someone to be strong enough not to give into it. Clark clearly doesn't trust Chloe in that way.

[mikeghost]

There might be dual meaning in that scene. True. Oliver secret is not for Clark to tell. But as he said," As a favor to me…." He may feel that Chloe could put herself at unnecessary risk if she new Green Arrow true secret identity especially after what happen to Lois. And Lois didn't even know. Also since Green Arrow is high profile crime fighter it may be dangerous for anyone to know.

Of course, that’s my interpretation.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by angelfire east
It's not about Clark not telling Chloe Oliver's secret, your right it's not his place. What it is about is Clark going behind Chloe's back and deleting her files. And I think it shows he doesn't trust her enough not to give into temptation. There's always temptation in life, someitmes you have to trust someone to be strong enough not to give into it. Clark clearly doesn't trust Chloe in that way.

Wow. That's a great point. She would never have deleted those files. She may not have used them... but she couldn't have deleted them. Great point.

[AngylWylde]

I don't think that was Clark's intention at all. I think he may have liked to have shared that info with Chloe, but it was not his secret to tell. Plus, it could put Chloe (or anyone) in harms way to know the identity of Green Arrow.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by mikeghost
There might be dual meaning in that scene. True. Oliver secret is not for Clark to tell. But as he said," As a favor to me…." He may feel that Chloe could put herself at unnecessary risk if she new Green Arrow true secret identity especially after what happen to Lois. And Lois didn't even know. Also since Green Arrow is high profile crime fighter it may be dangerous for anyone to know.

Of course, that’s my interpretation.
good point which it could mean 2 things,we've all been talkin about clark bein over protective of chloe lately.And imo this could be 1 of those times,if she gets involved on the lead she could be at risk jus as lois was tonight.Which is also why clark question oliver about tellin his secret cause he knows it'll hurt those he cares for in sum way.But ur right I think it was about not bein his place to tell,jus askin her to do him a favor since he knows she'll pursue it anyways.And to also keep her out of danger like lois was,so ur right I didn't think of that at first til u mention it.Good post

[WalterK]

It is Clark's MO to not share his burdens with other people. He knows the GA's identify, but figures it's better for Chloe if she does not know. Chloe could have been indignant that Clark took the decision from her, but their friendship is strong enough for her to accept what he does.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Clark does trust Chloe. Notice how the scene played out: it didn't end with either one of them being suspicious or upset. They both understood each other.

First off, there's no way Chloe wouldn't know Clark got rid of her pictures, because Clark can't lie (as proved even tonight by the scene).

Second, it's not like once she knew it was him he tried to hide it from her.

He trusts Chloe enough to know that if he asks her to trust him, she'll do it. He asked her to back off the trail, she knew why, and she did it. If anything, this shows how strong their relationship truly is.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by WalterK
It is Clark's MO to not share his burdens with other people. He knows the GA's identify, but figures it's better for Chloe if she does not know. Chloe could have been indignant that Clark took the decision from her, but their friendship is strong enough for her to accept what he does.
agree


Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Clark does trust Chloe. Notice how the scene played out: it didn't end with either one of them being suspicious or upset. They both understood each other.

First off, there's no way Chloe wouldn't know Clark got rid of her pictures, because Clark can't lie (as proved even tonight by the scene).

Second, it's not like once she knew it was him he tried to hide it from her.

He trusts Chloe enough to know that if he asks her to trust him, she'll do it. He asked her to back off the trail, she knew why, and she did it. If anything, this shows how strong their relationship truly is.
ur right her response to knowin it was him should say alot,not what clark did.He may have many reasons for not tellin,it could not only hurt oliver but lois and even chloe.And wit the way he's been wit protectin chloe I dont see how ppl dont see this as another way.And now lois is involved wit oliver so its more than jus her now.He was honest enough(Tho we all kno he's not great at lyin)to admit that he did it and jus asked her to back off.But also she notice why he did it and understood.She didn't look upset she even smiled cause she knows in due time he'll tell.

[Goobs]

thats true deleting her files was really low of clark. Way to not trust her at all. I was really suprised. There goes that whole openness thing. I understand and agree with his decision not to divulge the info to her though. Its not his place to expose Oliver. However, if Chloe knew that Clark would not like her to investigate I believe fully that she would have let it drop. she just loves/ respects Clark too much just to disregard that.

-Tania

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Goobs
thats true deleting her files was really low of clark. Way to not trust her at all. I was really suprised. There goes that whole openness thing. I understand and agree with his decision not to divulge the info to her though. Its not his place to expose Oliver. However, if Chloe knew that Clark would not like her to investigate I believe fully that she would have let it drop. she just loves/ respects Clark too much just to disregard that.

-Tania
but not if lois keeps makin fun of the whole jealousy/rivalry towards chloe(Sneeze&arrow).Chloe could get caught up in the moment wit lois and try to 1 up her,jus as I believe lois would do to her too.Not intentional but I could see both girls doin this,and clark knows this.Plus after seein a few guys come after lois jus for researchin/printin an article about GA,it could have been for her own saftey.I dont think clark was wrong for what he did and it was obvious chloe doesn't either.Now if she comes back and tries to investigate in a later episode behind clark's back then we can say sumthin.But as of now I see it as him jus not wantin either chloe/lois to get hurt which was obvious tonight could happen.But it has nothin to do wit the trust of chlark,I'm suprise this is even bein debated lol

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by Goobs
thats true deleting her files was really low of clark. Way to not trust her at all. I was really suprised. There goes that whole openness thing. I understand and agree with his decision not to divulge the info to her though. Its not his place to expose Oliver. However, if Chloe knew that Clark would not like her to investigate I believe fully that she would have let it drop. she just loves/ respects Clark too much just to disregard that.

-Tania

I think this goes right into Chloe's weakspot... which was really explored in Season 3... she can be overzealous about investigating a big story. I don't know if Chloe would have been able to delete the files. I'm sure she wouldn't use them if Clark asked her not to but... she wouldn't have deleted them.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I think this goes right into Chloe's weakspot... which was really explored in Season 3... she can be overzealous about investigating a big story. I don't know if Chloe would have been able to delete the files. I'm sure she wouldn't use them if Clark asked her not to but... she wouldn't have deleted them.
o thats not a question since we've seen her do that in the past,but I dont think its a weak spot.Now if she pursues it then yea its a weak spot,cause then it shows that even when told to leave sumthin alone she can't.The story itself is more important,and imo they've shown her to grow beyond this.So while she may keep the files she wouldn't followup the leads.Atleast not now,maybe back in s1-3,but not s6.

[ginnyfan]

But keeping the files shows that it's a weakness. Maybe a weakness she has learned to control...

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
But keeping the files shows that it's a weakness. Maybe a weakness she has learned to control...
well I dont think its actually keepin them that's the weakness,but more or less that should would be tempted to try it.So not havin them shows that clark won't put her in a situation that maybe she's not comfortable wit jus yet.Plus it'll keep her out of danger which he seems to want to protect her alot lately :D .But keepin them imo isn't the weakness its knowin u got the story there but afraid to write it(As perry stated in s3),and we all kno at sum point chloe jus might flirt wit it.So that's what I got from it,her weakness bein able to not let it go no matter what.But in the next few episode I think it'll be much clearer that it may not be a weakness at all,and she may not question clark again about Ga who knows.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Nospam
Let me give you an example. I am always late. Well, most of the time. My problem is am one of only three people in my giant conglomerate of a company that knows how to fix certain specialized machines, so I take hundreds of phone calls and do on site work. Whenever I am supposed to be somewhere my friends know about my schedule and add "Jeremy Time" to their calculations. Does that mean they don't trust me when I say I will be on time? Not really, it just means they know and love me for who I am. Clark knows that Chloe would pursue the story, possibly to the detriment of his icy relationship with Oliver, Chloe's relationship with Lois and, as mikeghost points out, Chloe's safety.

IMO there a difference. And I really don't think what Clark did shows his love and how much he knows her. It shows that he doesn't think she can change, or at the very least he not giving her this chance to proved she has changed. It shows me he doesn't think Chloe can be the bigger person when it comes to Lois and reporting. And again this isn't about Clark telling Chloe who GA is, it's about the way he handled things, which has nothing to do with Chloe's safety.


Originally posted by Goobs
thats true deleting her files was really low of clark. Way to not trust her at all. I was really suprised. There goes that whole openness thing. I understand and agree with his decision not to divulge the info to her though. Its not his place to expose Oliver. However, if Chloe knew that Clark would not like her to investigate I believe fully that she would have let it drop. she just loves/ respects Clark too much just to disregard that.

-Tania

Agreed ^ I believe Chloe would let it drop if he asked her. All he had to do was ask her to delete the files, that he knows who GA is but doesn't have any right to out the person. Also that said person knows about his secret but okay.


Originally posted by D.M.A.
but not if lois keeps makin fun of the whole jealousy/rivalry towards chloe(Sneeze&arrow).Chloe could get caught up in the moment wit lois and try to 1 up her

That's where the trust comes in. The trust not to do that.

Anyway you paint IMO it comes down to Clark not trusting her enough. Yes she wasn't angry at him but I think she is blinded by her friendship and love towards him.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
well I dont think its actually keepin them that's the weakness,but more or less that should would be tempted to try it.So not havin them shows that clark won't put her in a situation that maybe she's not comfortable wit jus yet.Plus it'll keep her out of danger which he seems to want to protect her alot lately :D .But keepin them imo isn't the weakness its knowin u got the story there but afraid to write it(As perry stated in s3),and we all kno at sum point chloe jus might flirt wit it.So that's what I got from it,her weakness bein able to not let it go no matter what.But in the next few episode I think it'll be much clearer that it may not be a weakness at all,and she may not question clark again about Ga who knows.

I disagree that it was to protect Chloe. I think it was to protect Oliver Queen.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by Mog-el
You mean clark actually knows how to use a computer.:p ;)

I actually thought Clark told Ollie about the info on Chloe's computer and he took care of it. It wasn't Clark's info to protect. So no, Clark didn't do it.

Also, Chloe knows the biggest secret of the century, I highly doubt that she would be that upset over Clark not telling her.


Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
He trusts Chloe enough to know that if he asks her to trust him, she'll do it. He asked her to back off the trail, she knew why, and she did it. If anything, this shows how strong their relationship truly is.

Nice post, well said.

[xrayvision]

Well Chloe has her secrets with Jimmy, so let Clark have his own secrets with the JLA. I would rather see him with the JLA than with stupid triangles, though I would most prefer him solving his own problems.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by angelfire east
No but he could have told her that instead of going behind her back and deleting her files. I'm sure if he had asked she would have done it.

Actually I think he doesnt trust her that much, I mean he knows she would take his secret to the grave, but once Love is not envolved Clark knows Chloe is a news hound and would probably take it further than just a file on her computer and he wanted to protect Ollie. I think he did right, if we remember the file she had on him and the Lionel betrayal saga (glad to see some continuity being brought up this season, like a nod to level 33.1) so he couldnt completely trust her with that info, and although a little unethical on Clarks side, think about it, its something Chloe herself would have done to protect Clarks secret if Lana had a compromising file on Clark, wouldnt you agree.

[MsSullivan]

It wasn't Clark's secret to tell, just like he never told her about Bart.

[ma200]

I get why Clark didn't tell Chloe since it's not his secret to tell anywayz. But if I were Chloe, I would've been reeeallly pissed off that a friend deleted files from my computer. I mean he could've asked her to do it. Does he not trust her enough or does trust have its limits?

[Nospam]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
It wasn't Clark's secret to tell, just like he never told her about Bart.

Which is interesting because in the Vengeance Chronicles Bart is listed in Chloe's Wall of Weird. Why was he added? There was a bit of a debate at the time as to how he came to be in the WOW, but given the date of his addition to the WOW database (the air date of Run) it seems Chloe's weirdar was triggered enough to warrant an entry. You know, I can't recall if Chloe was aware of Victor's abilities in Cyborg.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark competely froze Chloe out, I was suprised she wasn't hurt by it.

I thought he trusted her more then that.

Well, she accepted the fact that he can't reveal GAS's secret. Yet another reason why those two are perfect for each other. Unlike other girls (Laaanaaa), she has no problems with Clark keeping a secret, couse she trusts him and knows it's important...


Originally posted by ma200
I get why Clark didn't tell Chloe since it's not his secret to tell anywayz. But if I were Chloe, I would've been reeeallly pissed off that a friend deleted files from my computer.

Yeah, but I am glad she found out right away.
No angst there...

[Rose etta]

It's not his secret to entrust Chloe with, folks -- it's Oliver's, and Oliver doesn't know Chloe.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Rose etta
It's not his secret to entrust Chloe with, folks -- it's Oliver's, and Oliver doesn't know Chloe.

Yes, you are right.
I guess some poeple here (not Chloe herself...!) think that Clark and Chloe should keep absolutely no secrets from each other. In the real world that's not possible. When you're a superhero even less so. Chloe obviously knows that. So, no problem IMO...

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by FiveForFighting09
i agree...it wasn't his secret and i think that Chloe understands what kind of secret it is due to her friendship with Clark....i'm glad he didn't tell her...and i think TPTB gave Chloe the realistic reaction to Clark not telling her



Agree completely!!!!!!!! Chloe is, as always, a great friend to Clark..

[WalterK]

For most people, having the trust of others is a big deal, and people can be hurt when they feel they are not trusted. However, people rarely trust each other 100% although they may say so for poetic effect. When people have a strong relationship, though, they accept that trust is a matter of degree. Chloe does not need Clark to give her a chance to prove that she has grown. She already feels that she is helping Clark a great deal, and she knows that she is only human will occasionally give in to temptation.

[wraith808]

^ I like this statement.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I disagree that it was to protect Chloe. I think it was to protect Oliver Queen.
O I dont doubt it was to protect oliver but it could also be to protect both chloe and lois 2.It was shown last night that anyone thought to associate wit the Ga could be in danger.Plus wit chloe/lois rivalry goin on I understood another reason for clark doin what he did.Imo that scene was more than about oliver secret,while yes its not his secret to tell.Clark also saw lois get put in danger and also knows how far chloe will go,which could put her in danger too.So imo clark made the right decision for now to protect all 3(Oliver secret,chloe,lois),jus for diff reasons


Originally posted by WalterK
For most people, having the trust of others is a big deal, and people can be hurt when they feel they are not trusted. However, people rarely trust each other 100% although they may say so for poetic effect. When people have a strong relationship, though, they accept that trust is a matter of degree. Chloe does not need Clark to give her a chance to prove that she has grown. She already feels that she is helping Clark a great deal, and she knows that she is only human will occasionally give in to temptation.
agree I still dont see how the trust between chlark is even an issue.Espcially if chloe wasn't mad and didn't call him on it.She knew right away why he did it.And understood,imo that shows how strong their friendship is

[aft06]

I think that Clark might not trust Chloe as much as SOME of us would like. He has the right idea to protect the secret identity of another superhero.

GASP

Could this mean that Clark and Chloe won't hook up! Say it ain't so! Guess we'll just have to settle for Jimmy...

I am SO disillusioned right now.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
agree I still dont see how the trust between chlark is even an issue.Espcially if chloe wasn't mad and didn't call him on it.She knew right away why he did it.And understood,imo that shows how string their friendship is
absolutely!!!


Originally posted by aft06
Say it ain't so!
It ain't so.
:)

[greenarrowgal]

I think there are two categories of secrets - ones you can tell and ones you can't... and for now, I think GA's true identity is one you can't.

If Chloe's so smart, I'm sure she'll figure it out eventually...

[Atomic girl]

Wow, the interpretation of this one act is so different for so many. I agree with a lot of what's been said. I just wanted to add that Chloe has hidden things from Clark too. As a reporter she has to keep sources confidential, and last season when Lionel was feeding her information about Lex's campaign, and then Milton Fine, she didn't come clean to Clark until confronted or she really felt he needed to know. Clark was not upset at either one of those times. I think Chloe had a similar reaction.

They have a great relationship. In a relationship, you don't always share every bit of news you ever hear. It's not holding back unless they need to know and have a right to know. I don't tell my spouse everything my girlfriends tell me, and he trusts me to make the call of when he needs to know the info. Clark and Chloe have a respect for each other that lets the other person make judgement calls that they won't question. They're not perfect, but they really do trust each other.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
Wow, the interpretation of this one act is so different for so many. I agree with a lot of what's been said. I just wanted to add that Chloe has hidden things from Clark too. As a reporter she has to keep sources confidential, and last season when Lionel was feeding her information about Lex's campaign, and then Milton Fine, she didn't come clean to Clark until confronted or she really felt he needed to know. Clark was not upset at either one of those times. I think Chloe had a similar reaction.

They have a great relationship. In a relationship, you don't always share every bit of news you ever hear. It's not holding back unless they need to know and have a right to know. I don't tell my spouse everything my girlfriends tell me, and he trusts me to make the call of when he needs to know the info. Clark and Chloe have a respect for each other that lets the other person make judgement calls that they won't question. They're not perfect, but they really do trust each other.
Good post,and so true about chloe not informin clark til she thought he needed to kno last season.So true they r not perfect but their friendship is more intact now then ever

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by greenarrowgal
I think there are two categories of secrets - ones you can tell and ones you can't... and for now, I think GA's true identity is one you can't.

If Chloe's so smart, I'm sure she'll figure it out eventually...

Bingo.

Sometimes I think people forget that.

[margroks]

No, I think she could easily figure it out if she hasn't already. But Clark deleting her files instead of asking her to delete them was outrageous and I think it was OOC for CHloe not to call him on it. He wouldn't like it if Chloe did it, now would he?

I think she understood it wasn't Clark's secret to tell but he was totally out of line to delete the files.

[AlphaSigmaOne]

Frankly, I don't see it is any different than Chloe not telling Clark about Lex/Lana. Anymore she is the most mature of the young people; I’m sure she understands that.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by AlphaSigmaOne
Frankly, I don't see it is any different than Chloe not telling Clark about Lex/Lana. Anymore she is the most mature of the young people; I’m sure she understands that.


While I agree she is mature, I think that keeping a secret like the true identity of the GA a secret is a tad more important than keeping the secret that Lex and Lana are together.

Let us not forget a few things-
GA = Oliver Queen, who, if it was found out was the GA would, go to jail ( perhaps), his company would be ruined because stocks would fall ( crazy president of company drees up and shots arrows at people), his enemies would hunt him down, etc..etc.

Clark's secret -
Alien from another planet =
goverment imprisonment, experiences, hunted down, family destroyed, etc, etc.

Perspective people.

[neildingley]

Did anyone else notice than when Oliver implied Clark was masking his feeling for Lois using Sarcasm, it was Lois who responded strongest, after all we all no who is the most sarcastic of the two.

It seemed to me that Lois response was defensive like she had something to hide but may not be continually aware of it, while Clark response was more of the lines of “this guys nuts!”

[margroks]

Magnitude and perspective. WHo Lana dates is immaterial compared to GA's secret.

[Ares]

Im glad she doesnt know its best left between clark an GA so far.

[Nerial]

Originally posted by margroks
No, I think she could easily figure it out if she hasn't already. But Clark deleting her files instead of asking her to delete them was outrageous and I think it was OOC for CHloe not to call him on it. He wouldn't like it if Chloe did it, now would he?

I think she understood it wasn't Clark's secret to tell but he was totally out of line to delete the files.

I think he was hoping that she wouldn't figure out that he knew who the GA was, and just take the deletions as a bad computer blurb instead of him doing it. She was the one that caught Clark by his expression; he didn't say, "I know who he is, and that's why I deleted your files."

IMO, he could have just asked her to drop it. But, then again, if this strange GA character did something bad (like Angel of Venenge), Chloe would probably feel guilty about not looking into more when she could have.

Maybe, in Clark's mind, he was taking the resposibility for GA on his own and taking that choice away from her in case something bad happened. Just a thought.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

I didn't see as something bad
I think that Chlark friendship is beyond misunderstandings he knew she was going to know that he did it, and he did it because he knew she will erased them herself when asked to, so he just saved time. I think that Chloe wouldn't have bee mad because Clark could had easily just fried the computer or something like it and make it look like and accident if he didn't trust her.
Chlark is indestructible!!!!!

[umm]

Originally posted by khufu
I don't see the big deal. It's NOT CLARK'S SECRET TO TELL. Chloe wasn't upset, so I don't know why some people here would be.

Exactly! It would be a different matter if she found out about Ollie, like Clark did, then they could deal with Ollie together, but she diddn't, and it really isn't Clark's secret to tell, It would be disrespectful to Ollie's wishes if he had! Trust or no trust, Clark was right to do what he did! If Ollie wants Lois or Chloe to know he will tell them himself!

[chlarkfan333]

Clark should not tell Chloe about Ollie for the same reason Chloe should not tell Lana about Clark - it's not his secret to tell. Besides, if Chloe knew it would be a strange situation for her to have to then keep it from Lois who is dating him.

[Spoon AZ]

I agree with the above posters.

It's not Clark's secret to tell.

He made a promise to Oliver in the same way Chloe made a promise to Clark. End of story.

[WalterK]

I think the final scene between Chloe and Clark could have been written with Clark asking Chloe to delete all of her files on the GA. It would be entirely in character for her to delete them. But I think the writers wanted this scene to center on Clark protecting the GA. Chloe understands that Clark is going to have a special kind of relationship with other superheroes, and she may not be included. But Chloe is fine with that. She does what she can to hlep Clark become the superhero that she knows he can be.

[wraith808]

I *don't* think it would have been in character for her to delete the backups right away though...

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by WalterK
I think the final scene between Chloe and Clark could have been written with Clark asking Chloe to delete all of her files on the GA. It would be entirely in character for her to delete them. But I think the writers wanted this scene to center on Clark protecting the GA. Chloe understands that Clark is going to have a special kind of relationship with other superheroes, and she may not be included. But Chloe is fine with that. She does what she can to hlep Clark become the superhero that she knows he can be.

I totally agree.

[neildingley]

I agree it was not clark secret to tell, though I doubt it'll be long before Chloe figures out who the green arrow is, after all she may not have the computer images but she did see the picture of the crest, so if she every visits Oliver office/appartment she should recgonise it, but will chloe be able to keep a staight face when lois is talking to her about how the green arrow is an evil menace, especially if oliver in the room at the time.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by neildingley
I agree it was not clark secret to tell, though I doubt it'll be long before Chloe figures out who the green arrow is, after all she may not have the computer images but she did see the picture of the crest, so if she every visits Oliver office/appartment she should recgonise it, but will chloe be able to keep a staight face when lois is talking to her about how the green arrow is an evil menace, especially if oliver in the room at the time.

Good point. The crest thing was stupid. Difficult to imagine that Chloe will let that one go. Will she be able to keep it from Lois? Maybe by then the GA has left SV, who knows...

But seriously: How stupid is the GA to carry that ring around with him? Why not wear a sign?!? These things kind of spoil it for me, to be honest...

[Khyla]

Originally posted by wraith808
That's the thing about friendship. Knowing your friends enough to know their weaknesses and accept them. If he had told Chloe to erase them, she would have been tempted to keep them. And if something came up about the files, no matter it Chloe did delete them, Clark would think she didn't. This way, he knows, and it won't be an issue later. I think she understood that.

I was about to say this exact same thing, only you said it even better! :)

You've totally nailed it! :D

It's in Chloe's nature to be curious, (and totally in character for her NOT to delete them) and Clark knows that.

By Clark taking charge in this situation, he can insure it won't be the cause of an argument between them later on. I like when Clark takes charge and maybe he'll start to do it more in his relationship with Chloe. (I definitely would llike to see that! ;) )

[Liriel]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark competely froze Chloe out, I was suprised she wasn't hurt by it.

I thought he trusted her more then that. I don't think he showed a lack of trust in her or froze her out. He is protecting the identity of another hero as he would like that hero to do for him. I think Chloe understands that - though I hope her innate curiosity doens't get the better of her later. Do him this favor and don't dig, Chloe; trust his judgement.

[Christine C]

He knows he had no right to tell Chloe it wouldn't be right, and Chloe ubderstood why.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Khyla
By Clark taking charge in this situation, he can insure it won't be the cause of an argument between them later on. I like when Clark takes charge and maybe he'll start to do it more in his relationship with Chloe. (I definitely would llike to see that! ;) )
Well so far from Sneeze&Wither he's been takin more control around chloe by not lettin her help/join him on certain things.So I can see him doin it more,he obviously doesn't want to lose her and nowadayz thinkin she'll get hurt.So I see him takin charge more


Originally posted by Liriel
I don't think he showed a lack of trust in her or froze her out. He is protecting the identity of another hero as he would like that hero to do for him. I think Chloe understands that - though I hope her innate curiosity doens't get the better of her later. Do him this favor and don't dig, Chloe; trust his judgement.
I doubt she lets curiousity get the best of her cause in due time clark will tell her,and from the looks on the rage discription she'll already kno.So I'm guessin clark tells her before then,but if this was s2 or 3 maybe she would check into it anyways,but not now.She understood

[All about Clark]

I think she will know soon as well, either by being with Clark when Ollie approaches or by solving the crest on her own. Either way, I don't think he has to keep her from this for very long.

I liked how Clark handled though, Chloe just has to hang in there.

[Khyla]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
Well so far from Sneeze&Wither he's been takin more control around chloe by not lettin her help/join him on certain things.So I can see him doin it more,he obviously doesn't want to lose her and nowadayz thinkin she'll get hurt.So I see him takin charge more... Thanks for sharing your comments, D.M.A.. Ya know, I was thinking that, too.

Even before The Kiss, I think he showed extra concern for her and probably wishing he had taken her someplace safe like he had wanted.

He must have thought a lot about how much she meant to him while in the PZ.

When he finally made it back to the DP, he looked worried sick, wondering if she was OK., so now he's being extra protective and getting a more take charge attitude with her at the same time. Yay! :D Go Chlark!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I doubt she lets curiousity get the best of her cause in due time clark will tell her,and from the looks on the rage discription she'll already kno.So I'm guessin clark tells her before then,but if this was s2 or 3 maybe she would check into it anyways,but not now.She understood

I don't see that happening again, either.
Those times are over, for good...

[lee_the_flee]

there was no reason Clark should have told her about GA/Ollie. It's not his secret to give away.

And Chloe, above all Clark's friends, understands this.

So it's all good!

[jimmyolsenblues]

I don't think Clark Froze out Chloe.
Clark should not devulge Ollie's secrets to anyone.

[bobser]

Originally posted by angelfire east
But that doesn't mean Clark should treat her like that.

He was right to do it. Chloe is nosy by nature and would have pried until she found out more and everything about the Arraw.

Clark respected Arrow's secret identity, which Chloe actually seemed impressed with with her "...you superheroes have a secret honor code..." and she also respected Clark's 'favor' not to look into the Arrow anymore.

It was fair and a good direction for the show to go. It's Clark going from a chatt buddy for Chloe to taking responsibility and making a decision as a leader of superheroes.

[liana]

There is two points to consider about this. The most obvious is that, as everyone already said, it was not his secret to tell. Secondly, I think he doesn't want Chloe to know because of Lois. Lois is his friend, he stated to Oliver that he protected his secret because he didn't want Lois to be hurt. He knows that if Lois had unmasked the guy, she would be truly hurt, because he was lying to her the whole time. Imagine what Lois would feel if she finds out that Clark and Chloe knew the truth about her boyfriend and kept her in the dark? Would Chloe feel comfortable keeping this from Lois? She didn't feel comfortable when Clark was keeping the truth from Lana, and Clark is her best friend. Can anyone imagine how thorn Chloe would feel in a situation like that involving a cousin that is as close to her as a sister?

I would say that Clark was thinking about Chloe and Lois, and not about Oliver.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by bobser
He was right to do it. Chloe is nosy by nature and would have pried until she found out more and everything about the Arraw.

Clark respected Arrow's secret identity, which Chloe actually seemed impressed with with her "...you superheroes have a secret honor code..." and she also respected Clark's 'favor' not to look into the Arrow anymore.

It was fair and a good direction for the show to go. It's Clark going from a chatt buddy for Chloe to taking responsibility and making a decision as a leader of superheroes.
I agree chloe understands better now than ever,now if this was s1-3 maybe she would be curious and maybe do alil research(Nothin serious but sumthin),but not now tho


Originally posted by liana
There is two points to consider about this. The most obvious is that, as everyone already said, it was not his secret to tell. Secondly, I think he doesn't want Chloe to know because of Lois. Lois is his friend, he stated to Oliver that he protected his secret because he didn't want Lois to be hurt. He knows that if Lois had unmasked the guy, she would be truly hurt, because he was lying to her the whole time. Imagine what Lois would feel if she finds out that Clark and Chloe knew the truth about her boyfriend and kept her in the dark? Would Chloe feel comfortable keeping this from Lois? She didn't feel comfortable when Clark was keeping the truth from Lana, and Clark is her best friend. Can anyone imagine how thorn Chloe would feel in a situation like that involving a cousin that is as close to her as a sister?

I would say that Clark was thinking about Chloe and Lois, and not about Oliver.
I definitely agree,I think that's the real reason he took action.He knows chloe would be torn to tell lois and it would hurt lois too.But at the same time it was for oliver too cause he's hopin oliver does the right thing in tellin lois,cause anyone connected to Ga as seen in arrow will be in danger.So I think clark was smart in his move by thinkin of all 3 but for diff reasons(Chloe/Lois/Oliver).Cause all could be in danger if he's exposed and lois could be hurt if she knows that oliver lied to her,and even clark.So I thought it was a smart move for out BDA :D .

[President_Luthor]

The trust between Clark and Chloe is evident, for now. Clark has assumed that Chloe will always understand his actions and that he has the "best" of intentions.

This could be a source of future tension if Clark's loyalty (?) to Ollie comes into conflict with Chloe's duties as a reporter ie in doing some future story on the Green Arrow and/or a need to protect Lois.

Clark's assumes that everyone owes him such loyalty because of his secret. IMHO, it may put Chloe in an uncomfortable position because Clark would see any confidence he places in his friends as an ongoing test of loyalty, despite the valid reasons someone may have later for uncovering GA's identity. We've seen how hard Clark can come down on those who dare to "betray" him: look what happened to Pete, his best friend. :rolleyes:

It's interesting this happens in the same ep. as the Luthors' test of loyalty with Lana. I could see these tests-of-loyalty as a cause for friction among all parties in the future.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by President_Luthor
The trust between Clark and Chloe is evident, for now. Clark has assumed that Chloe will always understand his actions and that he has the "best" of intentions.

This could be a source of future tension if Clark's loyalty (?) to Ollie comes into conflict with Chloe's duties as a reporter ie in doing some future story on the Green Arrow and/or a need to protect Lois.

Clark's assumes that everyone owes him such loyalty because of his secret. IMHO, it may put Chloe in an uncomfortable position because Clark would see any confidence he places in his friends as an ongoing test of loyalty, despite the valid reasons someone may have later for uncovering GA's identity. We've seen how hard Clark can come down on those who dare to "betray" him: look what happened to Pete, his best friend. :rolleyes:

It's interesting this happens in the same ep. as the Luthors' test of loyalty with Lana. I could see these tests-of-loyalty as a cause for friction among all parties in the future.

Very interesting...
It is true that Chloe may get into real professional trouble at some point: I mean, how can she keep her journalistic instinct, if she has to lie/cover up for Clark most of the time?!? Would be interesting to see her go through a professional crisis. Especially as she's always been portrayed as more than perfect in this regard, and as Lois is getting more succesful as a journalist now. This would be a completely new situation...

[rudyrusso]

when is chloe going to die already?

season 6 finale maybe?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by rudyrusso
when is chloe going to die already?

season 6 finale maybe?

patience, my young paduan...

[bobser]

Originally posted by President_Luthor
The trust between Clark and Chloe is evident, for now. Clark has assumed that Chloe will always understand his actions and that he has the "best" of intentions.

This could be a source of future tension if Clark's loyalty (?) to Ollie comes into conflict with Chloe's duties as a reporter ie in doing some future story on the Green Arrow and/or a need to protect Lois.

Clark's assumes that everyone owes him such loyalty because of his secret. IMHO, it may put Chloe in an uncomfortable position because Clark would see any confidence he places in his friends as an ongoing test of loyalty, despite the valid reasons someone may have later for uncovering GA's identity. We've seen how hard Clark can come down on those who dare to "betray" him: look what happened to Pete, his best friend. :rolleyes:

It's interesting this happens in the same ep. as the Luthors' test of loyalty with Lana. I could see these tests-of-loyalty as a cause for friction among all parties in the future.

Man, I was somewhat surprised at how Clark took the moral high road with Pete.

Good point about the loyalty tie-in between Lex/Lana, Clark Chloe.

[Lobby4Chloe]

He actually did tell Chloe about Bart only he didn't tell her that she had met him before. He only told her that he met somebody who ran as fast as him.

[liana]

Originally posted by Lobby4Chloe
He actually did tell Chloe about Bart only he didn't tell her that she had met him before. He only told her that he met somebody who ran as fast as him.

That's why I'm sure this has nothing to do with Oliver. He did tell her about Arthur Curry as well as Cyborg. The only one he is not telling her about is Oliver. He doesn't want her to know to protect Lois. That's what he told Oliver when he asked him why he let him get away. He doesn't want to put Chloe in a situation of knowing GA's secret because he know the implications it would have because of her relationship with Lois. He doesn't want Lois to be hurt, and he knows Chloe would be in a very difficult situation if she knew the truth. Lois is her cousin, and friendly rivalry aside, they love each other. Chloe would not accept seeing her cousin being hurt, and Clark truly believes that Lois should not find by him or Chloe, but she should be told the truth by Oliver. That's why he doesn't want Chloe to know.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by liana
That's why I'm sure this has nothing to do with Oliver. He did tell her about Arthur Curry as well as Cyborg. The only one he is not telling her about is Oliver. He doesn't want her to know to protect Lois. That's what he told Oliver when he asked him why he let him get away. He doesn't want to put Chloe in a situation of knowing GA's secret because he know the implications it would have because of her relationship with Lois. He doesn't want Lois to be hurt, and he knows Chloe would be in a very difficult situation if she knew the truth. Lois is her cousin, and friendly rivalry aside, they love each other. Chloe would not accept seeing her cousin being hurt, and Clark truly believes that Lois should not find by him or Chloe, but she should be told the truth by Oliver. That's why he doesn't want Chloe to know.
True I believe that is 1 if not the main reason,which is why he made the lil comment about chlo/lois friendly rivalry cause he know chloes.It would put her in a situation where she would probably tell cause she luvs lois and he jus thinks that its oliver decision to tell lois not them.Plus after seein lois get kidnap I also think he doesn't want either lois or chloe gettin close to Ga cause then sumthin could potential happen again.But ur right I think that's the biggest reason but I also think wit ppl lookin to kill Ga that anyone involved wit him will be at risk also.So that could apply to both girls if they knew about oliver.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by liana
That's why I'm sure this has nothing to do with Oliver. He did tell her about Arthur Curry as well as Cyborg. The only one he is not telling her about is Oliver. He doesn't want her to know to protect Lois. That's what he told Oliver when he asked him why he let him get away. He doesn't want to put Chloe in a situation of knowing GA's secret because he know the implications it would have because of her relationship with Lois. He doesn't want Lois to be hurt, and he knows Chloe would be in a very difficult situation if she knew the truth. Lois is her cousin, and friendly rivalry aside, they love each other. Chloe would not accept seeing her cousin being hurt, and Clark truly believes that Lois should not find by him or Chloe, but she should be told the truth by Oliver. That's why he doesn't want Chloe to know.

Yes, this makes the most sense...