Chloe In Arrow

[WriteAngel1]

Talk about Chloes role in tonights episode.

[HowardFilms]

Haven't seen her yet, but ten to one odds she's hot in it.

EDIT: Yep. Still Hot. :D

[PaleBlueDot]

Hehe, cute outfit.

[WriteAngel1]

:lol:

[shy175223]

Love her hair.

[WriteAngel1]

i wont watch the episode until youtube comes to my rescue........ is chloes main purpose looking cute? *oh, excuse me.....hot....:D*

[HowardFilms]

cute and hot, actually.

...and good looking...

[D.M.A.]

yea her part wasn't really big this episode which is cool since she played a big part the past 3 episodes.This one was more about oliver and lois than anythin


O yea chloe was on point tho :D

[WriteAngel1]

ok, im getting that clark froze her out of something but she looked hot in what little screentime she had. That about sum it up?

[ChLoEfAn4eVaLUVSnCkLbK]

she did have little screen time (does anyone think clark had little screen time, too?), but in whatever scenes she was in, her character served purpose to help move the episode forward (at least i thought so, anyway).

as for her physical appearance..yes, she was hot in the episode..but when isn't she?

[maudeline]

She was so hot gosh ! And i so love the way she was acting about Lois getting the scoop for the arrow ...Loll she was so cute :P

[jazel]

thought this was about her perfromance, not appearance thread?what's with the attitude against lois?

[celita]

Chloe lied to her cousin to steal Lois´s clue about GA. She has disappointed me, she betrayed Lois. With her experience like journalist she should not steal to a beginner like Lois, and much less to her cousin. This is not "friendly rivalry", this is mean.

The Chlo-Lo is dead, That´s sad.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by celita
Chloe lied to her cousin to steal Lois´s clue about GA. She has disappointed me, she betrayed Lois. With her experience like journalist she should not steal to a beginner like Lois, and much less to her cousin. This is not "friendly rivalry", this is mean.

The Chlo-Lo is dead, That´s sad.

But did Chloe write an article about it? Lois did for sure.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
But did Chloe write an article about it? Lois did for sure.
yea I agree,I think its a friendly rivalry but it was nothin serious,I thought it was funny that lois came to chloe but then wouldn't tell her what she really needed help wit.So if anythin it was lois who wouldn't tell chloe which lead to chloe bein funny about not tellin lois.It was meant to be funny/show sibilin rivalry not to show 1 bein mean to the other.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by celita
Chloe lied to her cousin to steal Lois´s clue about GA. She has disappointed me, she betrayed Lois. With her experience like journalist she should not steal to a beginner like Lois, and much less to her cousin. This is not "friendly rivalry", this is mean.

The Chlo-Lo is dead, That´s sad.

I totally DISAGREE with you. Chloe didn't steal clues about the GA from Lois, she simply did some investigating on her own. Didn't you hear Chloe tell Clark that she was not going to get the SCOOP on the GA? She was going to let Lois write her article. ALL Chloe did was find out additional information about the GA on her own, but she wasn't going to write about him. Yes, she shared information with Clark, but that's because she was trying to help Clark. Even AM said that Lois and Chloe would have a FRIENDLY COMPETITION. . .That's all. So, imo, the chlo-lo relationship is not dead.

[Coyote]

Now that Lois is a reporter there is no real need for Chloe any more. They can probably kill her any time.

[celita]

I don´t care if she writes an article or twenty about GA, she lied to Lois, she stole a clue that her cousin got by herself. Lois is a beginner in journalism and her own cousin has put the trip. Lois and Chloe always had loved each other. I don´t like this, they don´t seem beloved cousins anymore, it´s sucks.

[khufu]

Seriously these people are tripping. 1) She hadn't even analysed the image herself yet, and 2) She didn't even TRY to write an article on - she outright said that she was still looking into because she was bored, and it was obviously an intriguing story. No one's calling Lois a b1tch for coming in to the DP, asking to use Chloe's resources, and refusing to tell her own cousing about the story! The scene was meant to be friendly rivalry, but all I see is people projecting their own feeling of resentment and bitterness into a scene where there was none.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by Coyote
Now that Lois is a reporter there is no real need for Chloe any more. They can probably kill her any time.

Thanks for that information Mr Positive;)..but I think they can kill Lois now so Chloe can take her rightful place:p


Originally posted by celita
I don´t care if she writes an article or twenty about GA, she lied to Lois, she stole a clue that her cousin got by herself. Lois is a beginner in journalism and her own cousin has put the trip. Lois and Chloe always had loved each other. I don´t like this, they don´t seem beloved cousins anymore, it´s sucks.

It seems weird then that LOIS called CHLOE when she was being Kidnapped...now why would she do that?

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by khufu
Seriously these people are tripping. 1) She hadn't even analysed the image herself yet, and 2) She didn't even TRY to write an article on - she outright said that she was still looking into because she was bored, and it was obviously an intriguing story. No one's calling Lois a b1tch for coming in to the DP, asking to use Chloe's resources, and refusing to tell her own cousing about the story! The scene was meant to be friendly rivalry, but all I see is people projecting their own feeling of resentment and bitterness into a scene where there was none.

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!:D

[celita]

It seems weird then that LOIS called CHLOE when she was being Kidnapped...now why would she do that?

Just because Lois still love her cousin badly, as allways, is Chloe who have changed her feellings lately. I´m nos trying to bash Chloe (i never bash her, I really love her and her relationship with Lois), but i can´t say "ohhh that was cute, that was funny", because it wasn´t. I didn´t like at all what she did tonight.

[maudeline]

Originally posted by Coyote
Now that Lois is a reporter there is no real need for Chloe any more. They can probably kill her any time.

Ya sure... Chloe is more than a transfer for Lois caracter on this show....:rolleyes:

[BeldarofRemulak]

What about what Lois did? Did she not dis Chloe telling her that she didnt want to give her scoop? wasnt that just egging chloe on?

[celita]

Didn´t she give the ring to Chloe, let her made a photo and told her everything she knew?. And if Lois believed that Chloe would steel her clues... she was right, Chloe did.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Lois basically told chloe that she did not trust her. IMO this is what lead to Chloe not telling her that she was trying to get the image. When she got the image she gave Clark the information to find out who the GA was. Chloe did not write an article and she trusted Clark when he said not to find out who GA was. If Chloe were to tell Lois what would that accomplish? Lois would find out the Ollie is GA get hurt in the process and then out him in her article.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by Coyote
Now that Lois is a reporter there is no real need for Chloe any more. They can probably kill her any time.

How can you say that? Lois is still an amateur; she is nowhere near the ACE reporter that Chloe is:D Sure, one day, Lois will be an ACE reporter, BUT I don't see why Lois AND Chloe can't BOTH share the spotlight. Without Chloe on SV, how would any of the mysteries get solved?:confused: Sounds to me like you are just waiting for "ED Lois" to fulfill her "destiny." Well, IMO, Chloe has PROVEN to be a successful reporter since S1, and I believe that she will make it to the TOP;) Her destiny is far greater than working in the basement of the Daily Planet:D I don't see why Chloe can't be at the Planet in the future. SV has already changed so many things that were in the comics. Here are a few examples:
1)In SV, Lana Lang is dating Lex Luthor; where as in the comics, she is actually married to Pete Ross and has his baby.
2) Lana Lang is a brunette on SV; she is a red-head in the comics.
3) Lex Luthor and Lois Lane don't grow up with Clark Kent.
4) In the comics, Lana Lang is Clark's friend and confidante (she knows his secret).
5) Lex and Clark were NEVER friends. . .ONLY on SV.
6) Jimmy Olsen is supposed to be much younger than Lois and Clark, but on the show, he is the same age as both of them. Also, he is not supposed to know Clark.

So, you see, SV's writers are not exactly following the comics. They are putting their own SPIN on SV, and I don't think that they would kill off Chloe. DC has already bought the rights to her character, meaning that she could appear in any of the superman comics or movies in the future:D

[Nospam]

Originally posted by celita
Didn´t she give the ring to Chloe, let her made a photo and told her everything she knew?. And if Lois believed that Chloe would steel her clues... she was right, Chloe did.

Watch the episode again and then read the comments in this thread. I don't think you watched the episode closely enough because Chloe clearly was working on the story out of boredom (she comes out and says that directly) and as a bit of friendly rivalry between the two of them.

I don't mean to be harsh, but Chloe was not attempting to steal Lois' thunder. Although I wouldn't be sure if the same would be true if the situation was reversed.

[Bandista]

So let me get this straight...

Lois walks into the Daily Planet, looking for Chloe to do her work for her...

Chloe offers her help, but Lois then suddenly decides she doesn't trust Chloe not to steal her story...

And people are dissing *Chloe* for what exactly?

From where I'm standing? If someone came looking for my help, the accused me of being dishonest enought to steal their work? Not only would I hand them their own ass, but I'd scoop them just to give them a *real* reason to distrust me.

Lois is the one who deserves the criticism here...not Chloe. Who the hell does she think she is?

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Bandista
So let me get this straight...

Lois walks into the Daily Planet, looking for Chloe to do her work for her...

Chloe offers her help, but Lois then suddenly decides she doesn't trust Chloe not to steal her story...

And people are dissing *Chloe* for what exactly?

From where I'm standing? If someone came looking for my help, the accused me of being dishonest enought to steal their work? Not only would I hand them their own ass, but I'd scoop them just to give them a *real* reason to distrust me.

Lois is the one who deserves the criticism here...not Chloe. Who the hell does she think she is?

Did you watch the episode? She asked Chloe if she could use her database, not if she would do the work for her.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by khufu
Seriously these people are tripping. 1) She hadn't even analysed the image herself yet, and 2) She didn't even TRY to write an article on - she outright said that she was still looking into because she was bored, and it was obviously an intriguing story. No one's calling Lois a b1tch for coming in to the DP, asking to use Chloe's resources, and refusing to tell her own cousing about the story! The scene was meant to be friendly rivalry, but all I see is people projecting their own feeling of resentment and bitterness into a scene where there was none.
True it was to be shown as a friendly rivalry nothin more

[kbever]

Screw Chloe, this girl annoys the f**k out of me.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Nospam
Watch the episode again and then read the comments in this thread. I don't think you watched the episode closely enough because Chloe clearly was working on the story out of boredom (she comes out and says that directly) and as a bit of friendly rivalry between the two of them.

I don't mean to be harsh, but Chloe was not attempting to steal Lois' thunder. Although I wouldn't be sure if the same would be true if the situation was reversed.
agree neither girl was in the wrong cause both were knocked out when chloe scanned the ring.So she witheld info afterwards yes but it was to be shown as a friendly competition not her backstabbin/bein mean as sum suggest.Her actions were normal,if sumone I'm close too thinks I'ma 1 up them I'd prove a point too.Which imo she was doin by lookin into the story for fun,but she never had any intentions on writin about Ga.She was jus amazed that there was another hero/villian out there jus from her comments to clark.Which imo is why clark deleted her files because he saw the rivalry between chloe/lois comin.Not that either were doin things to hurt the other,jus gettin carried away wit competition


Originally posted by kbever
Screw Chloe, this girl annoys the f**k out of me.
No tell us how u really feel :lol: jus kiddin

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
It seems weird then that LOIS called CHLOE when she was being Kidnapped...now why would she do that?
Because everybody does! Since Chloe can't be a super hacker this season she is going to be 911:lol:
Lana called her nad now Temp Lois...then Lionle, Lex, Martha, Clark and even Shelby will have her at speed dial...Who knows maybe evne Pete will call her :eek: :D

[MBCorp]

It seems weird then that LOIS called CHLOE when she was being Kidnapped...now why would she do that?

If I was in trouble I would call Chloe before I would call Clark. I mean, seriously.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by MBCorp
If I was in trouble I would call Chloe before I would call Clark. I mean, seriously.
sadly but true,anyways like ur avi also its diff from u

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
sadly but true,anyways like ur avi also its diff from u

Yeah, this is the first time I've ever had a Lana avator. :lol: Guess I just felt inspired by her growing evilness.:p

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Yeah, this is the first time I've ever had a Lana avator. :lol: Guess I just felt inspired by her growing evilness.:p
hey u and me both,now if only lex can make that turn in 1 episode :lol: ,tho it may be quick it'll still be good to kno he's there :D

[Nospam]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Yeah, this is the first time I've ever had a Lana avator. :lol: Guess I just felt inspired by her growing evilness.:p

LOVE IT. It's cool and I absolutely love evil Lana in the elevator. Shades of MB, totally. I actually got chills and KK really pulled it off.

[TalkinMac]

Why is there so much animosity between Chloe and Lois fans?
A lot of Lois fans are coming out of the woodwork and some are digging at every chance they get.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Nospam
LOVE IT. It's cool and I absolutely love evil Lana in the elevator. Shades of MB, totally. I actually got chills and KK really pulled it off.

Yes, Lana was very MB-ish in the elevator scene. :D I hope we get more dark!Lana scenes coming up. I'd like to see her really dark and cunning and badass.

[Bandista]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Did you watch the episode? She asked Chloe if she could use her database, not if she would do the work for her.

You should watch it again. Lois never asked to use the database...Chloe guessed that Lois needed her help researching her next story. Lois said "Yeah..." then quipped that the Inquisitor's search engine sucked. Lois never mentioned the database.

So...who hasn't watched the ep?

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Yes, Lana was very MB-ish in the elevator scene. :D I hope we get more dark!Lana scenes coming up. I'd like to see her really dark and cunning and badass.
yea hopefully tptb have a tendency to not be consistent wit lana character so hopefully she keeps it up.And hopefully lex joins her on this dark path,it would really say alot about the spoiler of lex corruptin her this season.Tho after this episode it seems she may corrupt him :lol:

[AngylWylde]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
And hopefully lex joins her on this dark path,it would really say alot about the spoiler of lex corruptin her this season.Tho after this episode it seems she may corrupt him :lol:

:lol: It does look that way.

[buddy232]

Chloe lied to Lois this week and to Lana last week! What happened to the old Chloe?

[kistner10]

The writers make it that Chloe has no flaws. She always has to one up Lois and she's too smart. She's no older than 20 and she has all this access to help Clark solve everything. This show is starting to rely on her too much when it should be concentrating on Clark, Lex. and Lois's development. She was a better character when she had some flaws and was normal. The way she is going, I don't see why she isn't chief editor of the Daily Planet yet. Is anyone else starting to get as annoyed of Chloe as I am??

[MsSullivan]

Nope. I don't understand why Chloe is less than the others in many ppl eyes, she has every right to be developed as the current cannon characters do.

She may not be in the comics now, but DC owns her and she could pop up in the next few years.

Did nobody learn a lesson from s2? when Chloe's spine was ripped right out of her to make Lana look better?

I say get rid of GA and concentrate on the REGULARS: Clark, Lex, Lana and Chloe.


p.s. I love Chloe!

[mariolegosu]

The only thing she figured out in this episode is the crest on the ring... And if I'm not mistaken, Lois found about that but simply didn't have the tools to take a better look at it. Chloe simply took a picture and sent it to Clark. There's hardly any figuring out there.

[Absentee]

Chloe's not believable anymore.

I Like her and her friendship with Clark... but come on! It's ok to make mistakes... it's not like she won't learn from it.

But No, she came fully equipped with weapons, computer and artificial intelligence. Atleast Lois has her flaws and so does Lana and Clark.

I'm posting what I wrote on DK's blog because it states my thoughts on this.

As for Chloe, since last season I felt her character was too perfect. I like Chloe, she's a great friend to Clark but once she learned Clark's secret... her character wasn't so GREAT anymore. She's not believable now because her character is, in a sense, perfect.

Back then Chloe made mistakes but now she's being written with no flaws whatsoever. Perfect isn't always so perfect when you can no longer relate to a character. She just doesn't seem "real" anymore.

Chloe's character has been so unbelievable that it's gotten to a point where she was just annoying. She has solved every piece of the puzzle on her own with no consequences whatsoever. Everything is being handed to her on a silver platter.

Chloe's not a robot, so for her to make mistakes once in a while is ok. It's not going to kill her.

[lana&Clark4ever]

i feel sorry for the chloe fans.....

when green arrow leaves sv...maybe lois can leave with him too haha , so then we'll get our 4 main people back

[MsSullivan]

Don't feel sorry for us, I quite like where Chloe is at right now.

I shall direct you to the thread Chloe=backstabber v2.0 where someone thinks Chloe is flawed beyond redemption...so at least someone thinks Chloe is not perfect.

[thehenry89]

nobody is perfect. chloe least of all, she's just way to unbelivable she's a computer genuis/oprah/mapquest/dr.phil/kryptonian heiroglyphics expert all wrapped into one. even for smallvile thats alittle unbelivable.

[HBK]

I really don't like Chloe, I prefer Veronica Mars.

[hassenmorad]

I actually agree and think she is too heavily relied on in the storylines. In practically every episode ever she's played a major part in helping Clark save the day- a little unrealistic, but I don't mind it too much. I would like for there to be a change from this pattern, however.

[MBCorp]

I'm no Chloe fan, but I'm kind of tired of all of the bashing that goes on from all sides towards the female characters. I've indulged in it myself so I'm not getting up on a soap box or anything like that. I've certainly complained about Chloe before. But the constant Lois vs. Chloe vs. Lana thing gets a bit much. Why is it only female characters that get bashed anyway?

[MsSullivan]

I don't know MBCorp *sigh* but I'm tired of it. I seriously did not sign up for this when I joined ksite.

and on topic, Chloe has her flaws and we are beginning to see them. (competative nature, ignoring her feelings, too good of a friend (i think its a flaw, especially wrt Lana)).

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I'm no Chloe fan, but I'm kind of tired of all of the bashing that goes on from all sides towards the female characters. I've indulged in it myself so I'm not getting up on a soap box or anything like that. I've certainly complained about Chloe before. But the constant Lois vs. Chloe vs. Lana thing gets a bit much. Why is it only female characters that get bashed anyway?

My main problem with Chloe is that she is basically like Oracle is to Batman, but had no training to be that smart this fast. I liked her very much in a lot of season 4, and in seasons 1-3 (where most of her flaws & strong points were shown in a believable way). Go back and watch episodes like Mercy and Oracle. I found myself thinking "give me a break" when she talked about piggybacking the transmission, etc. What would an amateur reporter who just graduated highschool not long ago know about that? I liked how they made her in season 3 where she had a bunch of contacts to help out in fields she had no clue in (now she just does everything herself). It's annoying and makes the main character (who's supposed to be the greatest DC hero of all time & the focus of the show) look like a total moron.

As for Lana, she is mainly used as a trophy to be passed around. I hope they change that.

And as much as my respect for Lois has improved, I just don't think she should be on this show. It's just too farfetched how someone as disinterested as she has been in reporting would do a 180 just like that and become better than Chloe, who is a natrual journalist and has been for a long time. It is too early for Lois to be involved in the show. Lois was supposed to be a character who met Clark & Superman at around the same time, and once the dual identity thing has been going for a while.

I have no complaints about Martha except for what they're doing to her lately by having her go out with Lionel.

I have complaints about Lex as well. He is still nowhere near the maniac he should be at this stage with the show nearing 1.5 seasons left (maximum). They are weakening him just because of the Lexana garbage.

At this point, Lionel is definitely my favorite character. He is a great mystery and very interesting to watch. He always brings something good to the table. I really want to see more of him and what happened with the "Power" he wrote in Zod. And does he have the dagger remains? Where did that go? Did Clark see the pieces on the floor when he went to save Lana from Zod so he could go back (off camera) and take the pieces back to the FOS?

I would like to see Helen Bryce return. She was one of the best female characters the show had, and there is still unfinished business with her.

[fiorscal]

I used to love Chloe, but frankly I don't like her this season. What is up with her? She is acting completely out of character and has a very annoying attitude. I hope the writers fix it soon cause my Chloe love is seriously hanging on a thread.

[Kal-ed]

I think that it is not about Chloe, its about Lazzy writing, since writing and coming up with a clever scenario of reasearch and field investigation (like in LnC) is hard they simply have her figure out everything on her computer or by an incredible deductive intelect (MMM... lazy writers couldn use Clarks superior Kryptonian intelect to do that, rather have Chloe being the brains and Clark the muscle).

But I wouldn pin it on Chloe i would pin it to the writters, just like Lois being aimless, is not Lois´s fault its the writters. They make mistakes that make charactes look bad, and unreal sometimes.


Originally posted by MBCorp
I'm no Chloe fan, but I'm kind of tired of all of the bashing that goes on from all sides towards the female characters. I've indulged in it myself so I'm not getting up on a soap box or anything like that. I've certainly complained about Chloe before. But the constant Lois vs. Chloe vs. Lana thing gets a bit much. Why is it only female characters that get bashed anyway?

Im fed up my self, although I must admit that Chloe is the less bashed by far. But the point being, character bashing should be forbiden in the site, Im really getting tired of walking into a thread about Lionel or about an interview and finding that Lois is being bashed when she is completely off topic. My point being we should have a non bashing campaing, so it is formaly introduced as a rule in the forums, i dont mind critism, but just plain ranting on some character is only disrespectfull of the people who like that character. And yes I agree the girls are the shows favorite target.

[Ghost963]

Originally posted by HBK
I really don't like Chloe, I prefer Veronica Mars.
Amen! ;)

But seriously, while i found Chloe's charactor more appealing in previous seasons, I still don't mind her. The biggest problem I have with her recently is this layman's attitude she has towards Lois and her ventures into becoming a reporter. Other than that, she's still our cute little reliable info whiz!

...but not nearly as talented as Veronica. ;)

[xrayvision]

Veronica Mars is a rip-off of Chloe. They saw some untapped potential that SV wasn't doing with Chloe's character, so they decided to make Mars based on that. Notice how that show started following season 3 of SV (when S4 started). Season 3 was the one with Chloe getting involved in the most dangerous stuff because of her deal with Lionel (especially in episodes like Truth, Covenant, and Delete).

[Ghost963]

^ oh comon! :) Two totally different little detectives with totally different styles. But that's off topic, and I applogize. I love both those adorible little blondes! :)

[elway]

I haven't read through all the posts but i see a lot of ppl divided from what i saw. To the person who said they are tired of all the girl bashing i agree to an extent. If they bash just out of hate for no reason what so ever. Then thats pretty bad, but the way I see it is that Chloe is becoming in some ways allmost a JK figure to CK. JK always was there to help in the tough times. When CK needed a little push to do something. The same way chloe now dose. Seems CK used to go to the loft when he needed advice and JK would show up. Now we see him walk into the Planet.

I know Chloe is the only 1 he openly shares his feelings and powers with, but like others have said she is not Perry Mason or Columbo, but as some1 said a 20 year old. Who appearently(sp) seems well advanced her age in wisdome. Instead of CK SUPERMAN! who is supposed to be the all knowing and smart as a whip figuring out the score kinda guy. It's allmost always Chloe who solves the prob. For me I believe no 1 is smarter than supes (maybe Batman) and we have to see a 20 year old chloe outsmarting him and beating him to every punch. Plz ppl and Plz chloe fans she's a great character but they really need to put her in the background (not burry the character) but a few weeks of chloe free escapes would really help. After all the show is about CK and LLuthor. Not the adventures of Chloe. Srry for the rant but chloe fans it needs to be said.

She comes off as that 1 friend every 1 has who has to be right allllllllllll the time.

[AlwaysAround]

Chloe has been on far too long and been used as a crutch for far too long to the point that it she is now seriously infringing on the other characters development. Lana should be the friend that knows the secret and gives him support, not the sad stagnant girl that's being duped into thinking Lex is a nice guy. Clark should be doing investigating on his own by now (this guy becomes a reporter?) instead of Chloe being his seeing eye dog every single time in all aspects of his life (even when he discovers his powers now). Lois should be the only reporter. We simply don't need two Daily Planet reporters other than Lois (and eventually Clark) and we all know that Lois will be there before too long. Some would say there is room for both but I really don't think there is and I just don't think it would fit right in the final storyline (not to mention it being completely idiotic story telling) . I'm gonna go ahead and say right now that there is no way Chloe will stay on at the Daily Planet. I don't know where she goes or if she gets killed off, but I seriously doubt she will stay at the Planet. She will be written out (of the Daily Planet at least) eventually. Mark my words, and when it comes to pass I'll say "I told you so".

[constancelight]

Chloe was barely in this episode. All she did was take a photo of a ring, searched some info for Lois, and talk to Clark.

She was no way near Super!Chloe that everyone is going off about.

Chloe is one of the best characters on the show.

[unique_kiwi]

I don't think anyone has said this but its not a matter of Chloe being too perfect, or having too much time devoted to her...its partly to do with the fact that the writers have huge restrictions when it comes to writing the canon characters!! They can't do certain things with them, with Chloe they can do pretty much anything!!

Personally i love Chloe...i think she embodies everything a good role model should!! AND ppl saying she has no flaws isn't exactly true, i mean she has been pining after Clark for over 5 years...she puts herself in a position where she'll get hurt, and she knows it, to help Clark, Lana etc.

Also with the whole Lois Vs. Chloe thing, of course Chloe isn't gonna be estatic for Lois, in some ways it may appear she's trying to muscle in on her territory by suddenly developing an interest in journalism. Especially since she's previously claimed to have no interest in the area. And her getting one up on Lois...well thats another flaw. She's probably a little jealous and insecure!!! Especially when Lois is a family member!

And as for the final storyline, its Smallville NOT Superman...Chloe doesn't have to be out of the DP and Lois in...we already know Clark isn't gonna wear the tights, so why is it definate that Lois will be in the DP by the shows end?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by kistner10
The writers make it that Chloe has no flaws. She always has to one up Lois and she's too smart. She's no older than 20 and she has all this access to help Clark solve everything. This show is starting to rely on her too much when it should be concentrating on Clark, Lex. and Lois's development. She was a better character when she had some flaws and was normal. The way she is going, I don't see why she isn't chief editor of the Daily Planet yet. Is anyone else starting to get as annoyed of Chloe as I am??

Where did you get that from?!?
There was rather little screen time for Chloe in this episode, no?
:confused:

[AlwaysAround]

Originally posted by constancelight
Chloe was barely in this episode. All she did was take a photo of a ring, searched some info for Lois, and talk to Clark.

She was no way near Super!Chloe that everyone is going off about.

Chloe is one of the best characters on the show.

You must not have watched the right episode.

Chloe yet again doing all the reporting and thinking for Clark.
Clark not being able to do anything without her help first.
How in the heck does this guy ever make it to the Daily Planet as a reporter?

At least Clark developed some brain cells of his own for this episode by the very end by not caving into Chloe and keeping the GA identity a secret. I doub't those cells will take though. They'll rot away by next episode and it'll be back to being the BDA. :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
Chloe yet again doing all the reporting and thinking for Clark.
Clark not being able to do anything without her help first.
How in the heck does this guy ever make it to the Daily Planet as a reporter?

I disagree.
She did very little, this time.
It was Clark just standing around all the time which annoyed me. Just standing there with a mean look on his face?!? Is this called acting nowadays?

[AlwaysAround]

Originally posted by unique_kiwi
so why is it definate that Lois will be in the DP by the shows end?

It's gonna happen. Everyone knows that Lois Lane works for the Daily Planet eventually. It's part of the legend that Al and Miles will not mess with. They are huge Lois Lane fans. After all, that's why she was brought onto Smallville in the first place and why she's going on her third season in Smallville despite intense restrictions in the past to her character. Those have definitely been lifted with her now going into journalism and it's only going up from there. I think Chloe will, before too long, be going though a big change in her life that takes her in a very different direction.

[unique_kiwi]

I reiterate....this is Smallville, therfore we may not see Lois in the DP!!! Some restrictions may have been lifted, allowing her to dabble in journalism...but ED recently spoke of the imposed restrictions again, i can't see them having the green light to suddenly develop her into iconic Lois!!

[AlwaysAround]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I disagree.
She did very little, this time.
It was Clark just standing around all the time which annoyed me. Just standing there with a mean look on his face?!? Is this called acting nowadays?

Of course he's standing.
He certainly can't do any reporting or investigating on his own with the seeing eye dog doing everything for him.
What is he supposed to do when he's on a crutch?
Right now he has a severe affliction, and it's a handicap called Sullivanitis!


"Paging Dr. Gough and Dr. Millar . . . your needed in surgery for a brain transplant!" :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
"Paging Dr. Gough and Dr. Millar, your needed in surgery for a brain transplant!" :D

Sure, I agree.
But I don't see how this is Chloe's fault...

[unique_kiwi]

AMEN InLove with Chloe.....as you have just pointed out AlwaysAround, its is AlMiles fault NOT Chloes!!

Also why on earth is the fact that Chloe is trying to make a name for herself in journalism by investigating etc. handicapping Clark...i'm sorry but you'd think with everything he's capable of, a friend following her lifes ambition wouldn't stop him from working on his own!!!

[AlwaysAround]

She does though. That's the point. She's a crutch now, and that crutch needs to be kicked out from under Clark if he's ever gonna walk, and think (or even fly:D) on his own.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by unique_kiwi
Also why on earth is the fact that Chloe is trying to make a name for herself in journalism by investigating etc. handicapping Clark...i'm sorry but you'd think with everything he's capable of, a friend following her lifes ambition wouldn't stop him from working on his own!!!

Exactly.
One could also see it that way: you will never know how good you are at something, until you measure your abilities with the best of the best. Chloe is a very good reporter, so Clark will have to take it up a notch and finally proove to us that he's a smart cookie as well. It's as simple as that...


Originally posted by AlwaysAround
She does though. That's the point. She's a crutch now, and that crutch needs to be kicked out from under Clark if he's ever gonna walk, and think (or even fly:D) on his own.

Well, it is up to you whether you use a crutch as a crutch. It's not the crutch that makes you sick, it's just a tool that you are free to use. Or not...

[AlwaysAround]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Exactly.
One could also see it that way: you will never know how good you are at something, until you measure your abilities with the best of the best. Chloe is a very good reporter, so Clark will have to take it up a notch and finally proove to us that he's a smart cookie as well. It's as simple as that...

They've made Chloe so outlandishly great at what she does that it's totally rediculous. The guy can't even discover how to use superbreath without her help. How sad is that? He can't even breath air on his own anymore.

Nope the crutch has to go eventually if he's ever gonna grow as a character (not to mention the other characters needs).
She will be written out of the Planet at least. That is a definite.


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Exactly.
One could also see it that way: you will never know how good you are at something, until you measure your abilities with the best of the best. Chloe is a very good reporter, so Clark will have to take it up a notch and finally proove to us that he's a smart cookie as well. It's as simple as that...



Well, it is up to you whether you use a crutch as a crutch. It's not the crutch that makes you sick, it's just a tool that you are free to use. Or not...

Sick patients often get overly dependant on a drug or other such tools of rehabilitation. They often need to have them taken away from them because they are so overly dependant on them.

Chloe is like a cancerous growth that needs to be cut out.
It's time to call in Dr. Gough and Dr. Millar to scrub up for surgery.
Of course by looking at this Frankenstein that they have already created, maybe that's not such a good idea after all.

Kind of like the blind leading the blind.:D

[unique_kiwi]

Clark didn't discover how to use any of his abilities on his own!! If Jonathan was still around and he'd helped Clark with his new ability, i doubt he'd be getting ripped apart!!!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
They've made Chloe so outlandishly great at what she does that it's totally rediculous. The guy can't even discover how to use superbreath without her help. How sad is that? He can't even breath air on his own anymore.

Nope the crutch has to go eventually if he's ever gonna grow as a character (not to mention the other characters needs).
She will be written out of the Planet at least. That is a definite.

Have Chloe's abilities been ridiculous by times? Oh yes. Certainly. Have tptb started to correct that recently? Yes, so no reason to panic...

Of course she's gonna leave the DP (and most likely SV) at some point. But not yet. I insist that Clark's growth has to come from within himself. It's too easy to blame others for holding him back. I mean, at the end of the episode the GA clearly told him that it's not enough to just help the people around you... Crutch or not, it's Clark who has to change all by himself. Whether there are one or ten Chloe characters around, doesn't really matter IMO...


Originally posted by AlwaysAround
Sick patients often get overly dependant on a drug or other such tools of rehabilitation. They often need to have them taken away from them because they are so overly dependant on them.

Are we talking crutch-withdrawal here?!?
I think comparing a person (real or fiction) to a cancerous tumour is not nice, btw...


Originally posted by unique_kiwi
Clark didn't discover how to use any of his abilities on his own!! If Jonathan was still around and he'd helped Clark with his new ability, i doubt he'd be getting ripped apart!!!

very true.

[AlwaysAround]

The entire cast of characters and the shows story arc would greater benefit from her leaving or being killed off though.

Keeping her around just tempts the writers too much, by just going the easy route that's been well traveled already, by letting Chloe do all the reporting and investigating all the time.
They need to get ride of her completely so they will have no choice but to have Clark grow as a character. Right now Chloe is stunting his growth big time.

Clark could be even more awesome and interesting a character if given the chance.:(

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
Keeping her around just tempts the writers too much, by just going the easy route that's been well traveled already, by letting Chloe do all the reporting and investigating all the time.


I almost agree with that sentence, but not with the rest.
Chloe doesn't have to leave IMO. Clark has to change, but that's his job alone...

[AlwaysAround]

I know it would be sad to see her leave (I do love Allison Mack and think she's a great actress), but the remaining characters and series arc would be able to grow so much that I think it is definitely needed at this point. Every character except Lois is stagnant right now. Chloe has had a great run, but I really think it might be time to wrap it up.

[Kal-ed]

The writers should stop being lazy

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
The writers should stop being lazy

You are speaking the truth!!!
I totally, totally agree.
I mean, the problem is so simple...
Yet they keep on writing one poorly conceived, confusing episode after another...

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Chloe was great - but where was Jimmy?!?

[AlwaysAround]

No they keep taking the easy way out by only letting Chloe use her brain.
I remember in a commentary that Al or Miles said that Allison is great at rattling off reams of dialogue and that it really helps to progress the story. Well they have used that gift of hers so much that Clark is now completely stagnant. He isn't even remotely close to being a reporter or having the super mind that he is supposed to. They need to take that crutch away so he can grow. I feel I have made my point already even if some here refuse to see it. I'll just drop it and leave it at that.

[TVK]

I think that we are seeing the beginning of a Lois vs Chloe reporter rivalry

TVK

[AlwaysAround]

Well we already know the winner of that one then.
Sorry Chloe. Better luck next time.:lol:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
No they keep taking the easy way out by only letting Chloe use her brain.
I remember in a commentary that Al or Miles said that Allison is great at rattling off reams of dialogue and that it really helps to progress the story. Well they have used that gift of hers so much that Clark is now completely stagnant. He isn't even remotely close to being a reporter or having the super mind that he is supposed to. They need to take that crutch away so he can grow. I feel I have made my point already even if some here refuse to see it. I'll just drop it and leave it at that.

The point is that AlMiles should be blamed and not Chloe, or even AM for that matter...

[unique_kiwi]

^ exactly

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by MBCorp
If I was in trouble I would call Chloe before I would call Clark. I mean, seriously.

I was refering to when the poster said that Loi and Chloe do not like each other anymore...which I think they do.


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Chloe was great - but where was Jimmy?!?

Jimmy (AA) is only contracted fr so many episodes so if they were to use his character here it would be usless. There is too many charcter storylines going on already.

[mikeghost]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Did you watch the episode? She asked Chloe if she could use her database, not if she would do the work for her.


Lois could simply go to a library and do all her research she want on a computer.

[elway]

Ppl seem to think every1 is out for the death of Chloe NOT TRUE! The caracter is a great addition to a show "based" on the young CK and LL. But to some she seems to be over stepping her bounds. By that I mean she 9 times out of 10 is the trigger to the final solution and not CK who just follows her lead. It's happend in too many epis (plz don't make me list them it's way too many) Sure she's brave and put her life on the line but I,m in this to see the future SUPERMAN figure all this out. Hell atleast 50% of the time anyway. I mean c'mon she's decrypting kryptoian or atleast trying like in ORACLE, VESSEL and ZOD.

I understand ppl like her I do to BUT just tone down the whole detective thing and atleast make it believable. Cause some of the things she's done are waaayyy to far fetched.

[WangTang]

Im sorry but has anyone seen the weird crap and fantastic stuff that happens on the show, and people still find chloe skills to be to much? Oh please now, so Jor-el can have a time reversing crytal, Lana can be possed buy a 400 year old witch, Lexs body can be taken over buy an evil alien despot, Lionel can be a vessel for alien knowledge,Martha Kent can be a U.S. sate senator, Oliver Queen can use arrows to fight crime, but Chloe cannot be a really smart and resourceful girl? Im sorry guys but saying chloe is unrealistic or has to many skills, is like saying Clark has to many super powers, or Lana has to many high priced cars. chloe skills are just fine, people just forget what show thier watching.

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by kistner10
The writers make it that Chloe has no flaws. She always has to one up Lois and she's too smart. She's no older than 20 and she has all this access to help Clark solve everything. This show is starting to rely on her too much when it should be concentrating on Clark, Lex. and Lois's development. She was a better character when she had some flaws and was normal. The way she is going, I don't see why she isn't chief editor of the Daily Planet yet. Is anyone else starting to get as annoyed of Chloe as I am??

The character of Chloe is an invention of the brilliant minds of AM.. she deserves to be in Smallville more than Lois does. Lois is the future.. she does NOT belong in Smallville..

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
Well we already know the winner of that one then.
Sorry Chloe. Better luck next time.:lol:


Yeah unfortunately... BUT us Chloe fans know who the "real" reporting genius is.. who goes to their cousin for tips? Come on.. how lame is that?!?!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by WangTang
Im sorry but has anyone seen the weird crap and fantastic stuff that happens on the show, and people still find chloe skills to be to much? Oh please now, so Jor-el can have a time reversing crytal, Lana can be possed buy a 400 year old witch, Lexs body can be taken over buy an evil alien despot, Lionel can be a vessel for alien knowledge,Martha Kent can be a U.S. sate senator, Oliver Queen can use arrows to fight crime, but Chloe cannot be a really smart and resourceful girl? Im sorry guys but saying chloe is unrealistic or has to many skills, is like saying Clark has to many super powers, or Lana has to many high priced cars.

...or the GA is shooting down too many bullets with his (!) bow and arrow...
I totally agree.
There's a word for what we're all criticising: 'bad writing'... And last time I checked neither Chloe nor AM were writing SV, but our two favorite hobbits AlMiles and their gang of superstars. Don't get me wrong - I love those guys. They gave us a great show. We just have to take it the way it is...:)


Originally posted by Rhoda123
she deserves to be in Smallville more than Lois does.
Also true...

[SoulCystic]

Chloe could get on my nerves ANYTIME. OR on my Green Arrow for that matter....

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by SoulCystic
Chloe could get on my nerves ANYTIME. OR on my Green Arrow for that matter....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SoulCystic]

And hopefully her all-too fantasticle skills don't stop in the newsroom!:eek:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Jimmy (AA) is only contracted fr so many episodes so if they were to use his character here it would be usless. There is too many charcter storylines going on already.

Yeah, but: why introduce so many new characters if they can't follow up on them? Who cares about contracts? It should be about consistent storylines IMO... In one of the next episodes they're gonna pretend again like Chloe and Jimmy had spent weeks together - without us knowing anything... These days it seems there is more happening in between episodes than in the episodes themselves. That's not good writing.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
I was refering to when the poster said that Loi and Chloe do not like each other anymore...which I think they do.

I think they still like each other too.

I would still call Chloe in an emergency over Clark though. She's more resourceful.:p


You should watch it again. Lois never asked to use the database...Chloe guessed that Lois needed her help researching her next story. Lois said "Yeah..." then quipped that the Inquisitor's search engine sucked. Lois never mentioned the database.

Looks like I got it wrong then. I still didn't get the impression though that Lois wanted Chloe to do all of her work for her.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by SoulCystic
And hopefully her all-too fantasticle skills don't stop in the newsroom!:eek:

fan-testicle?!?

[SoulCystic]

HA! Hopefully this Fan's Test.... oops better not go that far!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by SoulCystic
HA! Hopefully this Fan's Test.... oops better not go that far!

Yeah, you're on a slippery slope here, my friend...
:lol:

[SoulCystic]

Seriously though, I have to say that AM has come a long way in her acting ability. She really brings life to Chloe.


PS - :p you said "slippery"

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by SoulCystic
Seriously though, I have to say that AM has come a long way in her acting ability. She really brings life to Chloe.

Personally, I think she's been great from the very beginning...

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I have complaints about Lex as well. He is still nowhere near the maniac he should be at this stage with the show nearing 1.5 seasons left (maximum). They are weakening him just because of the Lexana garbage.

Lex is the character I have the most complaints about. I guess it's because he used to be such a favorite character of mine, but it seems like he's been the worst written character for some time now. I just want him to be all evil and interesting, ya know? He really hasn't been very interesting for some time now. His last scene with Lionel was pretty good last night, but it would be nice if he was doing something more evil than plotting behind his girlfriend's back. I want to see him acting more like he did in Cyborg last season.

[SoulCystic]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Personally, I think she's been great from the very beginning...

she has, but i can see her playing it up even more as time goes on.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by SoulCystic
she has, but i can see her playing it up even more as time goes on.

Yeah, there is no limit to what she can do.
Definitely not getting on my nerves.
:)

[myankskent]

Chloe is annoying almost every episode with her hacking and incredible knowledge that seems to come out of nowhere as it relates to many different topics, but I didn't see anything really crazy from her this episode. There are certain episodes like Mercy and Oracle that really almost ruin the episode because of her hacking and knowledge, but I didn't see that with this episode. It's really the same old stuff out of her.

[SteveS]

Without a character of the quality of Chloe, this program would devolve to the level of infantile waste of screen time. Green Arrow was a good addition to the list of characters and episodes, but with dullards like lois and Lana going to the dark side, Smallville needs a female like Chloe that doesn't have her head stuck up her kiester.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am not annoyed at Chloe.
I am annoyed at Clark acting like BDA and not using his brain to solve a puzzle.
One time I would like to see clark use his brain.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by SteveS
Without a character of the quality of Chloe, this program would devolve to the level of infantile waste of screen time. Green Arrow was a good addition to the list of characters and episodes, but with dullards like lois and Lana going to the dark side, Smallville needs a female like Chloe that doesn't have her head stuck up her kiester.

wow, you nailed it.

[elway]

Originally posted by SteveS
Smallville needs a female like Chloe that doesn't have her head stuck up her kiester. Well I think in a different way she seems to feel too big for the room. Confidence is one thing but her percise out of nowhere expertise(sp?) makes the character come off as arrogant. Every time theres a picture to look at a code to break a language to decript or what not (the list gose on) she seems to always have to take front and center. In ORACLE who'd they (CK,MB) take all of lionels writings to. To Chloe. :rotfl: Sure why not she should be more versed in the kryptoian language than CK or Lion-El lol!


And to the others saying every1 dose something like Lana as a witch, Jor-El and time travel ect... Yeah thats far fetched but for those characters it served the purpose of the storyline at the time. Chloe is Super detective all on her own, and thats great and all but plz u can't tell me her technical skills at 20 would be farther ahead than a 20 year old CK. 90% of the time some way some how CK now has to end up at the planet to get his feet wet in a case. Instead of doing it on his own and Chloe covering HIS tracks and writing news stories of the future Superman.


Been ranting too long, and don't take this the wrong way. Chloe is the hottest on the show but a tone down and a step up for CK would end this debate.

[Balauru]

I never liked chloe too much!

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I'm no Chloe fan, but I'm kind of tired of all of the bashing that goes on from all sides towards the female characters. I've indulged in it myself so I'm not getting up on a soap box or anything like that. I've certainly complained about Chloe before. But the constant Lois vs. Chloe vs. Lana thing gets a bit much. Why is it only female characters that get bashed anyway?
agree the girls get the bashin enough,espcially this season.So far we've had bashin goin on for sum female character in every episode except Zod.But I agree here sumtimes it gets carried away,and I agree wit Kal its more the writers fault then anyones.Because they may have a way in mind for it to come off on screen but the wordin may confuse ppl,which leads to debates.I for 1 haven't seen nothin wrong wit either girl lately,but everyone has diff opinion.But I agree here tho

[myankskent]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I am not annoyed at Chloe.
I am annoyed at Clark acting like BDA and not using his brain to solve a puzzle.
One time I would like to see clark use his brain.

And it still shocks me how people have not figured this out by now. People keep saying that they like the fact that Chloe is smart and that the problem is Clark being a BDA. Fix Clark and leave Chloe the way she is...problem solved right? Wrong. If that were to happen, then Chloe would have no role on this show. If Clark knew the answers and could investigate things for himself, how's Chloe going to fit in? TPTB have written this show this way for a reason. Change it now, and kiss Chloe goodbye. Unfortunately, Lana and Chloe have become characters that stand in the way of really good character development with Clark and Lex. TPTB have put themselves in a corner because you can't do things half way. Either Clark gets smart and Chloe's role is gone totally, or this charade continues until the end of the series. Same thing with Lana. Either Lex and Clark move on from her and her role is gone totally, or this charade continues until the end of the show. That's the way I see it.

[wraith808]

And Clark Kent/Superman has *always* depended on others to help him solve problems. This is just a dynamic- his vision is too skewed for him to see angles at times. That's why the LL/CK coupling works so well.

[eas]

Originally posted by Rhoda123
Yeah unfortunately... BUT us Chloe fans know who the "real" reporting genius is.. who goes to their cousin for tips? Come on.. how lame is that?!?!

She didn't go to her cousin for tips. She went to her cousin to borrow the DP's computers. She was actually not going to let chloe in on the investigation at all, and Chloe asked Lois to be let in on what was going on.

[FotW]

Chloe is my fave of the female characters. However, I do agree that sometimes Clark relies on her too much. The plots ask her to do so many things (to advance the plots) and Clark ends up looking like the just the brawny sidekick to Chloe the brainy heroine. It makes him look like he can't think of anything or do anything without her input. If he was just a regular guy (like Jimmy) it would be okay, :lol: but he's supposed to be a "super" human. I assume that "superness" extends to his mental capacity?
It's not Chloe that's annoying, in my opinion, but the way Clark winds up looking too dependent on her that's annoying. Sometimes it's like she seems to know more about being a superhero than Clark.
When she had to instruct Clark step by step in using his superbreath in "Sneeze" it made Clark look pathetic. I think in someways Chloe is supposed to be replacing Pa Kent as Clark's mentor and it just feels wrong to me, probably because she is not his parent.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by wraith808
And Clark Kent/Superman has *always* depended on others to help him solve problems. This is just a dynamic- his vision is too skewed for him to see angles at times. That's why the LL/CK coupling works so well.

Agreed...but we are talking about Lana and Chloe here, not Lois. And also, the Clark/Lois coupling works well because both characters investigate. On Smallville, Clark doesn't investigate all of the time. He usually goes to Chloe for a quick computer related answer, then Chloe tells him what to do, and he goes off and does it. This is something that I want to see less of in season 6, but my point is that this show is built on Chloe being the character that advances the plot forward. Take that away to any degree, and her character is useless to the show. And to be fair, same deal with Lana with her love interest garbage. Take that away, and Lana is useless.

And this is why the girls on this show take so many hits. We can all thank Al/Miles for that. If the girls on this show didn't get in the way of Clark/Lex development, something that should be the most important thing on this show, then I think the girl bashing wouldn't be as severe. JMHO.

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by SteveS
Without a character of the quality of Chloe, this program would devolve to the level of infantile waste of screen time. Green Arrow was a good addition to the list of characters and episodes, but with dullards like lois and Lana going to the dark side, Smallville needs a female like Chloe that doesn't have her head stuck up her kiester.


Well said!!!!!!! Apparently coming with the intials LL also makes you brainless...

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, but: why introduce so many new characters if they can't follow up on them? Who cares about contracts? It should be about consistent storylines IMO... In one of the next episodes they're gonna pretend again like Chloe and Jimmy had spent weeks together - without us knowing anything... These days it seems there is more happening in between episodes than in the episodes themselves. That's not good writing.
true but nowadayz its not suprisin wit these writers,like I said since they changed the order of next weeks episode to #9,we may not see jimmy again til then.Cause from the spoilers so far it doesn't have his name as a guest star til then,which means 4 more episodes without him.Yet the wanna make that relationship seem believable :lol: .But as for last night I think chloe role was great as was everyone(Except lex sadly smh)but her role was limited.This episode was more about Ga intro/first meetin wit clark/lois hunt for the truth of Ga.Everyone else time was limited,but it was cool what she was in tho.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
true but nowadayz its not suprisin wit these writers,like I said since they changed the order of next weeks episode to #9,we may not see jimmy again til then.Cause from the spoilers so far it doesn't have his name as a guest star til then,which means 4 more episodes without him.Yet the wanna make that relationship seem believable :lol: .But as for last night I think chloe role was great as was everyone(Except lex sadly smh)but her role was limited.This episode was more about Ga intro/first meetin wit clark/lois hunt for the truth of Ga.Everyone else time was limited,but it was cool what she was in tho.

Yeah, it's like the writers fear that we're gonna complain if they don't give us Chloe every week, hehe...
If you are indeed right and there'r not going to be any Jimmy in the next three (!) episodes, then I am going to correct my statements from the previous posts: that's not bad writing, that super-bad writing...

[myankskent]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, it's like the writers fear that we're gonna complain if they don't give us Chloe every week, hehe...
If you are indeed right and there'r not going to be any Jimmy in the next three (!) episodes, then I am going to correct my statements from the previous posts: that's not bad writing, that super-bad writing...

But that's why Jimmy is going to be on this show probably all season long. He might only be on for 7 episodes, maybe more, but his relationship with Chloe just won't be shown every episode since Jimmy won't be in all of them.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by myankskent
But that's why Jimmy is going to be on this show probably all season long. He might only be on for 7 episodes, maybe more, but his relationship with Chloe just won't be shown every episode since Jimmy won't be in all of them.

But how are we supposed to believe Chimmy?!? This way it's just a joke, sorry. To me it would have been: either Lollie or Chimmy, pick one. But you can't have both, there is simply not enough time...

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by myankskent
But that's why Jimmy is going to be on this show probably all season long. He might only be on for 7 episodes, maybe more, but his relationship with Chloe just won't be shown every episode since Jimmy won't be in all of them.
true so far we've seen him in 2 of the 4 episodes,won't see him again til episode 9.Which will still be this yr,we may not see him again til jan/feb before their month break in mar.But I see jimmy bein around to maybe right before the season finale(Since he doesn't have a big enough role to be a cliffhanger),jus to stretch his character out a bit.The first half of the season is obviously more about oliver,and the 2nd half will be more about jimmy.But I do think tptb have a very wide gap tho between what episodes he's in.They should atleast have the tension between chlark continue even if he's not around,so when he does return it'll be more believable.Cause goin from sneeze to wither beginnin was confusin imo and I knew they would hookup lol.So a mention would be cool every once in awhile,but when he's not there they dont say a word.And that's when the bad writin comes out imo but I agree,they r jus spreadin his time so the relationship can last most of the season(Still think it'll end before the season end but it'll last up til then tho)


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
But how are we supposed to believe Chimmy?!? This way it's just a joke, sorry. To me it would have been: either Lollie or Chimmy, pick one. But you can't have both, there is simply not enough time...
that's because it won't be believable,they may not even offically get together but jus spend time together.Kind of like lana/adam in s3 by talkin but not makin it official cause I do agree wit the time gaps and no mentions of him it won't be believable.But we kno these writers sadly smh

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by myankskent
And it still shocks me how people have not figured this out by now. People keep saying that they like the fact that Chloe is smart and that the problem is Clark being a BDA. Fix Clark and leave Chloe the way she is...problem solved right? Wrong. If that were to happen, then Chloe would have no role on this show. If Clark knew the answers and could investigate things for himself, how's Chloe going to fit in? TPTB have written this show this way for a reason. Change it now, and kiss Chloe goodbye. Unfortunately, Lana and Chloe have become characters that stand in the way of really good character development with Clark and Lex. TPTB have put themselves in a corner because you can't do things half way. Either Clark gets smart and Chloe's role is gone totally, or this charade continues until the end of the series. Same thing with Lana. Either Lex and Clark move on from her and her role is gone totally, or this charade continues until the end of the show. That's the way I see it.

I totally disagree.

It's possible to have more than one smart person on the "team." You don't have to get rid of one smart person in order for another character to start acting smart. The trick is to have different people be smart in different ways so they can each contribute something and things don't feel lopsided.

Take BtVS. Willow was really smart, but her specialty was computers and technology. Giles was really smart, but his specialty was history/archaic knowledge. They were able to co-exist on the show because they brought different knowledge to the table, and they didn't overshadow Buffy because she had her own brand of instinctive tactical intelligence. No matter how much more Willow knew about computers, or Giles knew about the history of something, Buffy was the one who pulled it all together.

Which I think is what SV is trying to do. Chloe might gather the information, but Clark puts it to use.

The problem isn't that Chloe's too smart and, therefore she has to leave in order for Clark to show some intelligence. The problem is that the writers don't always let Clark bring much to the table. I think they find it much easier and faster to just have Chloe tell Clark stuff, than to have the two actually brainstorming.

Rather than getting rid of Chloe, I think they could show Clark trying to hold his own with her. I think showing Clark holding his own with with someone intelligent, contributing 50/50 to the mystery solving, would go along way to making him look smarter.

[mobiusklein]

Also since he has a partnership with Lois in the future (whatever version), do you really want Clark's partner to be retarded so HE can shine. Then everybody will wonder why the hell he keeps an albatross of a partner around.

[kistner10]

I'm not a Chloe hater at all, I've never had a problem with her. It just seems like now she has no character flaws. It's not fun watching Chloe solve everything. This is suppose to be about the development of Superman and Lex Luthor. Lana is being used to help bring Lex to his destiny and I'm guessing they want Chloe to help bring Clark to his, but Clark isn't progressing at all. He can't solve anything by himself. I don't know why they don't let him and Lois solve more things, that way it progresses two canon characters. Chloe can still be useful, but right now she has no point in the show except to solve every problem. If Clark ever grows as a character than they're going to have to stop using Chloe's character so much. Clark has to learn how to do things on his own.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

I'm so mad I mean the ony boyfriend the girl has an they don-t let her spend time with him :mad: So not even a complete love interest she can get?...so bitter

[MeLoveYouLongTime]

I can't believe people are talking about realism- it's a comic book world-c'mon!I love Chloe,more of her---after five seasons of Lana,people should be more happy.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
The problem isn't that Chloe's too smart and, therefore she has to leave in order for Clark to show some intelligence. The problem is that the writers don't always let Clark bring much to the table. I think they find it much easier and faster to just have Chloe tell Clark stuff, than to have the two actually brainstorming.

Amen to that.
You are totally right.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
I'm so mad I mean the ony boyfriend the girl has an they don-t let her spend time with him :mad: So not even a complete love interest she can get?...so bitter

Actually, now I understand why they called it 'love interest'. What was that supposed to mean? I always asked myself... Why always be so unclear about everything? I guess a LI can be pretty much anything from a husband, boyfriend to whatever poor Jimmy is slowly turning into. Some kind of phantom boyfriend-ish kinda 'thing'.
<sigh.>
I love AlMiles...

[Absolute Kingdom]

Since Chloe found out the secret, she's been reduced to nothing more than a plot device. One time she can trace "kangaroo" video feeds, crack Lionel's computer password, and the next day she can't open a password protected door (Sneeze).

If the plot requires piloting a spacecraft, you know that Chloe is your girl for the job.

Its not that I dont like her, but the shortcut Chloe kills the potential excitement of the show sometimes. I'd rather have the FoTW's back on the show, then seeing the same ol' computer wiz stuff.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Actually, now I understand why they called it 'love interest'. What was that supposed to mean? I always asked myself... Why always be so unclear about everything? I guess a LI can be pretty much anything from a husband, boyfriend to whatever poor Jimmy is slowly turning into. Some kind of phantom boyfriend-ish kinda 'thing'.
<sigh.>
I love AlMiles...
yea after hearin the spoiler I assumed in Zod chlimmy would get together but then when it aired we saw they didn't.And even in wither it was still unsure if they were or weren't,so I'm thinkin the li part will be like lana/adam from s3.They'll show interest in each other but not quite make it official cause so far they r still seperate til they speak of it onscreen sumwhere.But I'm guessin it'll be like lana/adam tho where they talk but that's it,nothin official from what we're seein.Could explain why AM says their ship is sweet and innocent cause maybe its not a actual relationship jus yet but we'll see

[Supergirl Jam]

Originally posted by Coyote
Now that Lois is a reporter there is no real need for Chloe any more. They can probably kill her any time.

:rotfl: lol good one! Yeah I'm starting not to like Chloe ever since Sneeze. The way i see it instead of Chloe supporting Lois it seems she's critizing her for every little thing. It's like Chloe is rubbing it in her face and behind her back that she'll never be as good as her. That's the way i see it. Ooooh i now so can't wait until it shows Lois getting a better job than Chloe at the Daily Planet. Can't wait to see Chloe's face.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Since Chloe found out the secret, she's been reduced to nothing more than a plot device. One time she can trace "kangaroo" video feeds, crack Lionel's computer password, and the next day she can't open a password protected door (Sneeze).

If the plot requires piloting a spacecraft, you know that Chloe is your girl for the job.

Its not that I dont like her, but the shortcut Chloe kills the potential excitement of the show sometimes. I'd rather have the FoTW's back on the show, then seeing the same ol' computer wiz stuff.
well to be fair she's said a few times that she could crack sumthin/trace things if she had time.Like in mortal and even when clark/lionel came to her in oracle she didn't kno what the symbols meant.There have been a time or 2 where she makes it clear that it'll take time,obviously sumthin clark never has so that's where the confusin is.Yes she does do a few things over the top but they do remind us that she can't do everything sumtimes we jus miss it cause clark gets frustrated she can't and handles things hisself.Which is why she stopped him in oracle from bustin the door,he is impatient...not her fault,but I agree at time she can overdo it,but I do think they give sum reminders that she is human and can't fix every prob.It jus get ignored sumtimes imo

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Supergirl Jam
:rotfl: lol good one! Yeah I'm starting not to like Chloe ever since Sneeze. The way i see it instead of Chloe supporting Lois it seems she's critizing her for every little thing. It's like Chloe is rubbing it in her face and behind her back that she'll never be as good as her. That's the way i see it. Ooooh i now so can't wait until it shows Lois getting a better job than Chloe at the Daily Planet. Can't wait to see Chloe's face.
I think her reaction in sneeze was more to throw her off from investigatin and possibly findin out about clark.Which is why she was happy for lois at the end of it when she saw the frontpg byline.As for arrow she was bein funny towards lois cause lois accused her of bein competition when chloe jus wanted to help for fun.So her actions where meant to be funny/show rivalry brewin but not to show chloe change in character towards lois.

[bobser]

Chloe was cute and fun as ever. I also like how she's underestimating Lois but also starting to mention Clark as a hero more and more.

[bobser]

Chloe actually was pretty watered down this episode and Lois came out accomplishing more. Clark even deleted her investigative files. I've never seen Clark outdo Chloe on a computer before on the show.

[Supergirl Jam]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I think her reaction in sneeze was more to throw her off from investigatin and possibly findin out about clark.Which is why she was happy for lois at the end of it when she saw the frontpg byline.As for arrow she was bein funny towards lois cause lois accused her of bein competition when chloe jus wanted to help for fun.So her actions where meant to be funny/show rivalry brewin but not to show chloe change in character towards lois.

I hope you're right.

[Polomontana]

Chloe's a plot device, but she's the most popular girl on the show LOL!! Erica Durance did an interview for T.V. guide and fans didn't write in about the interview but about Allison and they had to give her an interview LOL!!

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by bobser
Chloe actually was pretty watered down this episode and Lois came out accomplishing more. Clark even deleted her investigative files. I've never seen Clark outdo Chloe on a computer before on the show.

Yeah, Clark's gained some pretty wicked computer skills now, learning to delete computer files and all. Maybe next week we can marvel at his use of Microsoft Word.

[bobser]

Hehe, it'll be a step up from the blank looks he gave as Chloe hacked away last season. :D

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Yeah, Clark's gained some pretty wicked computer skills now, learning to delete computer files and all. Maybe next week we can marvel at his use of Microsoft Word.

Nuh-hun. Deleting is not enough. Next week's lesson: empty the Recycle Bin. :D

And I just got another idea. Chloe is a "decent hacker" right? Well any decent hacker can restore deleted files. I guess she's not such a big wiz after all, at least not bigger than me. Oh wait (hits on the head): The plot required the files to remain deleted! God, what was I thinking? :D

[nabadua]

Originally posted by Kal-ed

Im fed up my self, although I must admit that Chloe is the less bashed by far. But the point being, character bashing should be forbiden in the site, Im really getting tired of walking into a thread about Lionel or about an interview and finding that Lois is being bashed when she is completely off topic. My point being we should have a non bashing campaing, so it is formaly introduced as a rule in the forums, i dont mind critism, but just plain ranting on some character is only disrespectfull of the people who like that character. And yes I agree the girls are the shows favorite target. [/B]

Lana's a Chud.:p

[Chloestheone]

lol Chloe's been asked to look up the impossible for 6 years now. I'm glad she's at least learned during those years.

Clark, on the other hand, always has a "What do I do wif it now?" attitude about everything......girls, computers, superpowers.....:rolleyes:

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Yeah, Clark's gained some pretty wicked computer skills now, learning to delete computer files and all. Maybe next week we can marvel at his use of Microsoft Word.
we can thank his night classes for that :lol:

[AlwaysAround]

No, Chloe just showed him how to use the delete button.
You know he never goes anywhere without his trusty seeing eye dog to walk him through everything.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by kistner10
The writers make it that Chloe has no flaws. She always has to one up Lois and she's too smart. She's no older than 20 and she has all this access to help Clark solve everything. This show is starting to rely on her too much when it should be concentrating on Clark, Lex. and Lois's development. She was a better character when she had some flaws and was normal. The way she is going, I don't see why she isn't chief editor of the Daily Planet yet. Is anyone else starting to get as annoyed of Chloe as I am??

I've been annoyed with Super Chloe for two years now. Seriously they make it so that she can do NO wrong and it's a huge turn off for me.

Chloe is so going to become Superman, just wait and see :rolleyes:

[fash292]

I LOVE CHLOE!! the character iz great!

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
Chloe has been on far too long and been used as a crutch for far too long to the point that it she is now seriously infringing on the other characters development. Lana should be the friend that knows the secret and gives him support, not the sad stagnant girl that's being duped into thinking Lex is a nice guy. Clark should be doing investigating on his own by now (this guy becomes a reporter?) instead of Chloe being his seeing eye dog every single time in all aspects of his life (even when he discovers his powers now). Lois should be the only reporter. We simply don't need two Daily Planet reporters other than Lois (and eventually Clark) and we all know that Lois will be there before too long. Some would say there is room for both but I really don't think there is and I just don't think it would fit right in the final storyline (not to mention it being completely idiotic story telling) . I'm gonna go ahead and say right now that there is no way Chloe will stay on at the Daily Planet. I don't know where she goes or if she gets killed off, but I seriously doubt she will stay at the Planet. She will be written out (of the Daily Planet at least) eventually. Mark my words, and when it comes to pass I'll say "I told you so".

Great post! I completely agree! Chloe IMO is the reason other characters lack poor character development.

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[myankskent]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I totally disagree.

It's possible to have more than one smart person on the "team." You don't have to get rid of one smart person in order for another character to start acting smart. The trick is to have different people be smart in different ways so they can each contribute something and things don't feel lopsided.

Take BtVS. Willow was really smart, but her specialty was computers and technology. Giles was really smart, but his specialty was history/archaic knowledge. They were able to co-exist on the show because they brought different knowledge to the table, and they didn't overshadow Buffy because she had her own brand of instinctive tactical intelligence. No matter how much more Willow knew about computers, or Giles knew about the history of something, Buffy was the one who pulled it all together.

Which I think is what SV is trying to do. Chloe might gather the information, but Clark puts it to use.

The problem isn't that Chloe's too smart and, therefore she has to leave in order for Clark to show some intelligence. The problem is that the writers don't always let Clark bring much to the table. I think they find it much easier and faster to just have Chloe tell Clark stuff, than to have the two actually brainstorming.

Rather than getting rid of Chloe, I think they could show Clark trying to hold his own with her. I think showing Clark holding his own with with someone intelligent, contributing 50/50 to the mystery solving, would go along way to making him look smarter.

When Clark has to go to her for advice constantly and hacking and whatever other computer info she can miraculously pull out of her you know what, then the problem is definitely Chloe. You can't make it 50/50 in terms of them solving problems, not when Chloe has the computer skills and Clark relies on them to solve the problem. Chloe's computer skills = Chloe being a much smarter character than Clark with the way the show is currently constructed. Clark can throw people around and use his powers to save people, but Chloe is used as the brains, or plot device, which is the major problem that this show faces when looking at BDA Clark.

[Polomontana]

Now Chloe's character developement is why some of the other characters stink. Lex has very good character developement and so does Lionel. They never planned to develope the Chloe character this far, it's just that Allison Mack played her so well. Lana is too needy and Lois is one-dimensional. That's not Chloe's fault!!

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Now Chloe's character developement is why some of the other characters stink. Lex has very good character developement and so does Lionel. They never planned to develope the Chloe character this far, it's just that Allison Mack played her so well. Lana is too needy and Lois is one-dimensional. That's not Chloe's fault!!

And Chloe is very cartoonish. When they make it so that a character can do anything it's gone beyond believablility even for a fictional character.

[sari_chem]

I, too, am getting sick of Super Chloe. A few years back, they portrayed her as a girl who was extremely intelligent, but a believeable intelligent. Now she's a computer-hacking-kryptonian-deciphering-encyclopedia-of-knowledge-super-genius. It's crazy...with just the click of the mouse, she gets the answer and sends the BDA on his merry way to fight the bad guy.

And I didn't like her in this episode. She seemed a little arrogant, thinking that Lois is not competition for her. She "let" Lois have the story as, in Chloe's words, "pro-bono." wth?

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by kistner10
The writers make it that Chloe has no flaws. She always has to one up Lois and she's too smart. She's no older than 20 and she has all this access to help Clark solve everything. This show is starting to rely on her too much when it should be concentrating on Clark, Lex. and Lois's development. She was a better character when she had some flaws and was normal. The way she is going, I don't see why she isn't chief editor of the Daily Planet yet. Is anyone else starting to get as annoyed of Chloe as I am??

Yes. She's a deus ex machina character, a plot device. It seems Clark would barely be a hero without her; much less a superhero.


Originally posted by thehenry89
nobody is perfect. chloe least of all, she's just way to unbelivable she's a computer genuis/oprah/mapquest/dr.phil/kryptonian heiroglyphics expert all wrapped into one. even for smallvile thats alittle unbelivable.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[umm]

Originally posted by Ghost963
Amen! ;)

But seriously, while i found Chloe's charactor more appealing in previous seasons, I still don't mind her. The biggest problem I have with her recently is this layman's attitude she has towards Lois and her ventures into becoming a reporter. Other than that, she's still our cute little reliable info whiz!

...but not nearly as talented as Veronica. ;)

What laymans attitude, Chloe is quite right, writting two or three articles doesn't make Lois a journalist, it takes more than that! Lois has a long way ahead of her, a long way to impress with her journalistic skills, which right now are at the 'fetus' stage, and as for Chloe, there is nothing wrong with being competitive and protective of what she has accomplished so far!
She is a natural born jounalist, and she has been working towards it for so long, it's only natural that she would feel a little threatened and defensive at the prospect of someone else intruding on her nitche! Even if that someone else is her cousin!
As for being good with computers, well so what?
And in fact her knowledge isn't that unbelivable! I mean, even I know what piggytracking is, and me and my computer aren't that close friends as Chloe is with hers!
As for Chloe being portrayed as exraordinary smart, well she is, and compared to other characters she is in the top three!
As for Clark, well he every hero has a sidekick, and if Buffy, Angel, Alias has thought us anything is that a hero is only as strong as his sidekicks are! They provide support that is necessary in the 'day saving' work, so I say give Chloe a break, she is doing her best!

[Absolute Kingdom]

OK remind me again, who is Superman's sidekick? :lol:

[TalkinMac]

I don't think it is fair to blame a character for another's character development. It is Clark who runs to Chloe with her problems. He is being lazy in this sense.
I do admit that her computer skills are way to advanced.

[umm]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
OK remind me again, who is Superman's sidekick? :lol:

You laugh now, but you wont once I am done with my argument!
First of all, in the 'Adventures of Lois and Clark', Superman/Clark offten rask help of others, in this case Lois, who, being a journalist, much like Chloe in Smallville, had the opportunity and means to do research for Clark/Superman, much like Chloe does now!
In the Justice League, he has other heros, who are equal partners in the 'day saving' work, to stand by his side!
Then there is Supergirl, that blond detective chick in the comics, so don't get me started on the, 'Superman works alone, cos he doesn't!' stick!


Originally posted by TalkinMac
I don't think it is fair to blame a character for another's character development. It is Clark who runs to Chloe with her problems. He is being lazy in this sense.
I do admit that her computer skills are way to advanced.

And yet, not many people are so quick to through critique at Clark for not using his 'little gray cells' (as my favorite beligian detective would say, Hercule Poirot) often enough, but Chloe is for doing just that!

[Absolute Kingdom]

Oh so Supergirl is a detective now? OK. And I guess she's Batman's sidekick too right? :D

Those heroes that help him in the JLA or are not his sidekicks, because like you said they are his equal partners. Nobody's saying that Superman works alone all the time, but most of the time he does, which sadly is not the case on Smallville.

[umm]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Oh so Supergirl is a detective now? OK. And I guess she's Batman's sidekick too right? :D

You misuderstood me, I meant that he worked both with Supergirl and the blond detective, as in two completly different people!

Those heroes that help him in the JLA or are not his sidekicks, because like you said they are his equal partners. Nobody's saying that Superman works alone all the time, but most of the time he does, which sadly is not the case on Smallville.

And so what if he is not working alone on Smallville!
It makes even more sense, since he isn't Superman yet, he is just a young guy trying to find himself, which he should have accoplished by now but let's ignore that for the moment, cos that's another discussion alltogether! The point he needs help most of the time, but you can't blame Chloe for that, if anybody should be blamed it's Clark for always running to her!

[Timester]

Originally posted by umm
You laugh now, but you wont once I am done with my argument!
First of all, in the 'Adventures of Lois and Clark', Superman/Clark offten rask help of others, in this case Lois, who, being a journalist, much like Chloe in Smallville, had the opportunity and means to do research for Clark/Superman, much like Chloe does now!

Actually, Jimmy did almost all research.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by umm
And so what if he is not working alone on Smallville!
It makes even more sense, since he isn't Superman yet, he is just a young guy trying to find himself, which he should have accoplished by now but let's ignore that for the moment, cos that's another discussion alltogether! The point he needs help most of the time, but you can't blame Chloe for that, if anybody should be blamed it's Clark for always running to her!

I would've agreed with you back in S1-S4, but not now. Why? He's getting closer and closer to becoming Superman and he needs to put that brain of his to use. Do you really want to get a Superman who needs to be saved and pushed to think every episode? I know I dont. He needs to grow up, and with Chloe around doing the things for him, it aint gonna happen. Shortcut Chloe? No thanks. Put some brains in Clark, and I'll be quiet.

[umm]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
I would've agreed with you back in S1-S4, but not now. Why? He's getting closer and closer to becoming Superman and he needs to put that brain of his to use. Do you really want to get a Superman who needs to be saved and pushed to think every episode? I know I dont. He needs to grow up, and with Chloe around doing the things for him, it aint gonna happen. Shortcut Chloe? No thanks. Put some brains in Clark, and I'll be quiet.

It still boils down to what I have said in my post! If Clark stopped running to Chloe all the time and used his own brain for like even 50% of the time, it would be a great improvement in his development towards becoming Superman, and by the way, no I don't want all braw and no brains in my Superman!
The fact still remains, you can blame the writers, you can blame CLark but you can't blame Chloe , cos she isn't pushing her knowledge and deductive detective abilities down his trought, he is coming to her for those very same qualities!

[myankskent]

Originally posted by umm
It still boils down to what I have said in my post! If Clark stopped running to Chloe all the time and used his own brain for like even 50% of the time, it would be a great improvement in his development towards becoming Superman, and by the way, no I don't want all braw and no brains in my Superman!
The fact still remains, you can blame the writers, you can blame CLark but you can't blame Chloe , cos she isn't pushing her knowledge and deductive detective abilities down his trought, he is coming to her for those very same qualities!

My point is that if Clark did not run to Chloe, even 50 percent of the time as you say, Chloe would have no role on this show. That's the bottom line. Chloe is ALWAYS shown on this show working at the Planet and waiting for little Clarkie boy to stroll by with a problem that she can solve with her computer. Take away any percentage of that, and Chloe's character has nothing to do. Chloe is a plot device and if they are suddenly going to eliminate that from the show, then Chloe will be eliminated from the show. Same deal with Lana. Lana is the love interest. Take that away, and you take Lana away.

[azi]

There are a lot of things that are getting on my nerves on this show. However, Chloe is not one of them!

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by umm
It still boils down to what I have said in my post! If Clark stopped running to Chloe all the time and used his own brain for like even 50% of the time, it would be a great improvement in his development towards becoming Superman, and by the way, no I don't want all braw and no brains in my Superman!
The fact still remains, you can blame the writers, you can blame CLark but you can't blame Chloe , cos she isn't pushing her knowledge and deductive detective abilities down his trought, he is coming to her for those very same qualities!

But who's blaming Chloe? Did I do that? No. You said that its normal for Superman to have a sidekick, and I said that it wasnt, and that's why I dont like this Clark. Now my question is, how can you translate what I said into "but Chloe's not to blame"? Dont worry, no need to take a deffensive position, I'm not attacking Chloe, but the show itself.


Originally posted by myankskent
My point is that if Clark did not run to Chloe, even 50 percent of the time as you say, Chloe would have no role on this show. That's the bottom line. Chloe is ALWAYS shown on this show working at the Planet and waiting for little Clarkie boy to stroll by with a problem that she can solve with her computer. Take away any percentage of that, and Chloe's character has nothing to do. Chloe is a plot device and if they are suddenly going to eliminate that from the show, then Chloe will be eliminated from the show. Same deal with Lana. Lana is the love interest. Take that away, and you take Lana away.

Exactly!

[azi]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
I would've agreed with you back in S1-S4, but not now. Why? He's getting closer and closer to becoming Superman and he needs to put that brain of his to use. Do you really want to get a Superman who needs to be saved and pushed to think every episode? I know I dont. He needs to grow up, and with Chloe around doing the things for him, it aint gonna happen. Shortcut Chloe? No thanks. Put some brains in Clark, and I'll be quiet. Someone would argue that being around smart people should have a POSITIVE effect on people. I don’t blame Chloe, I blame Clark .Maybe he should take a computer science course instead of playing with his ball, hehe

[umm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
[B]But who's blaming Chloe? Did I do that? No. You said that its normal for Superman to have a sidekick, and I said that it wasnt, and that's why I dont like this Clark. Now my question is, how can you translate what I said into "but Chloe's not to blame"? Dont worry, no need to take a deffensive position, I'm not attacking Chloe, but the show itself.

:) :lol: It's alright I wasn't defensive, well not towards you anyway, more towards this thread in general! 'You know, the title Chloe bugs me etc..' just makes me a tad bit mad and annoyed!
Like you yourself said, the show or better said the writters should be under attack not the character! I mean, Chloe is their product, so instead of attacking her, and I am not saying you did, one should attack the writers! For making Clark so dependant, not only on Chloe but on other people in general, cos if you retrace his history, he has almost never made a decission fully on his own! It was either Jonathan, Pete, Martha or as is the case now, Chloe! And the maind culprits are the writers!
As for Chloe, she can only be under attack for helping too much or too often, and better helping too much and too often, than not helping at all!

[umm]

Originally posted by Supergirl Jam
I hope you're right.

She is right! You could see at the end of 'Sneeze' that Chloe was happy for Lois as soon as she saw that the article had nothing to do with Clark! As for not being supportive enough of Lois, well cousin or no cousin journalism is a competitive world and Lois should get used ot that, Chloe shouldn't have to give her a break or hand her an article on the silver platter just because they are cousins! In fact she should be as big of a obstacle as possible, only that can way will Lois learn to survive in a cut throught nitche that is journalism!
And if Chloe tries to ruin any of Lois's stories in the future, then that's probably because she got close to Clark's true story in some or other way, and Chloe has wowed to protect Clark's secret and that means even from Lois, at least for now, and if that means she'll have to ruin some of Lois' articles then so be it!

[Khyla]

Originally posted by WangTang
Im sorry but has anyone seen the weird crap and fantastic stuff that happens on the show, and people still find chloe skills to be to much? Oh please now, so Jor-el can have a time reversing crytal, Lana can be possed buy a 400 year old witch, Lexs body can be taken over buy an evil alien despot, Lionel can be a vessel for alien knowledge,Martha Kent can be a U.S. sate senator, Oliver Queen can use arrows to fight crime, but Chloe ...is unrealistic [/B] Couldn't have said it any better!

And her skills and qualities are what make her seem worthy of the respect and admiration she gets from someone as awesome as Clark.

I don;t see her "doing things forClark". She's more like his guiding light. she helps to show him the way :) She is the one person who, besides his mom, sees him for the amazing being he is, and who he will become, and loves him selflessly because of that.
I don't know how anyone can be a fan of SV if they don't love Chloe; she is such an integral part of the show. She's Clark's best friend and he loves her dearly.




Originally posted by SoulCystic
Chloe could get on my nerves ANYTIME. OR on my Green Arrow for that matter.... :lol:



Originally posted by SoulCystic
And hopefully her all-too fantasticle skills don't stop in the newsroom!:eek:[/B]
Yeh! I think think there can be some seriuos lovin' tween her and Clark!! ;)

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by azi
Maybe he should take a computer science course instead of playing with his ball, hehe

LMFAO :D


Originally posted by umm

:) :lol: It's alright I wasn't defensive, well not towards you anyway, more towards this thread in general! 'You know, the title Chloe bugs me etc..' just makes me a tad bit mad and annoyed!
Like you yourself said, the show or better said the writters should be under attack not the character! I mean, Chloe is their product, so instead of attacking her, and I am not saying you did, one should attack the writers! For making Clark so dependant, not only on Chloe but on other people in general, cos if you retrace his history, he has almost never made a decission fully on his own! It was either Jonathan, Pete, Martha or as is the case now, Chloe! And the maind culprits are the writers!
As for Chloe, she can only be under attack for helping too much or too often, and better helping too much and too often, than not helping at all!

True, I understand you completely and I agree. However, I dont think that the posters were attacking Chloe, but the way this show handles not only hers, but all the characters. Clark is, like you said, dependant on Chloe. Chloe's character is dependant on Clark's because if Clark starts using his brains she wont have any role to play. I have nothing against their relationship, but I do think that they both deserve a life and a storyline outside of that. IMO that will give to both of them an extra dimension, or another layer if you will. It will also increase the potential for character development and future storylines. Its redundant, and I think they have to start exploring new areas where they can take the show, the characters, the storyline ... I like S6 so far, there is a huge potential, hands down, but I feel like the pace is too slow. And that's my problem with Smallville, nothing ever changes. The show will reach some exciting point, and just when you think it will turn a new leaf and that the dynamics between the characters will change, BAM, its back to square one. It doesnt surprise me that so many fans are complaining about the same thing every single day.

[superman_115]

I like Chloe a whole lot more than Lana or Lois. I will admit her hacking and computer skills are what the CIA is made up, but wait, she is better than the CIA when it comes to anything.

But my point is keep Chloe the way she is, but I hope they don't make her invisible.

[disc33]

After getting rejected in so many seasons, I think she finally deserves some1 who can call her his "girl"

[LovelyLoisLane]

Originally posted by unique_kiwi
Also with the whole Lois Vs. Chloe thing, of course Chloe isn't gonna be ecstatic for Lois, in some ways it may appear she's trying to muscle in on her territory by suddenly developing an interest in journalism. Especially since she's previously claimed to have no interest in the area. And her getting one up on Lois...well that’s another flaw. She's probably a little jealous and insecure!!! Especially when Lois is a family member!


This is the one major complaint I have with Chloe this season, because it's completely NOT continuity. Before season six Chloe was the one who WANTED Lois to be interested in journalism. Though it was more heavy in S4 than in S5 it was still there.
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Facade = . . . unless you add in some extra credit . . liiiike . . writing for the Torch! *big smile* ~ Chloe

. . . putting your nose in other people's business . . ~ Lois

"You'd be perfect!" ~ Chloe

Facade = Admiring the genius within huh? *smile* ~ Chloe

There was a typo. ~ Lois

Oh ho! Nice try. ~ Chloe

*then later in that scene*

Welcome to the Bull Pen Miss Lane! *big smile* ~ Chloe

Solitude ~ I don't know how you do it. I'D never be able to let go. ~ Lois

That's usually how it starts. *smile* ~ Chloe

--------------------------

Those probably aren't exact quotes. It's been awhile since I've seen those episodes and while I know there were other's those two were the most prominent.

So how does she go from being Lois' cheerleader (pardon the terminology) to a 'Lois? A journalist?! Puh leese!" attitude? Did she and Lois have some kind of falling out that we are unaware of or what?

That makes no sense and if she were written as IN CHARACTER during such scenes she wouldn't be behaving towards her OWN COUSIN who in the past for all intents and purposes was like a sister to her. Competitive streak or no, it's just not right to me and it bothers me. I would expect that kind of cynicism from CLARK but not Chloe.

Which is why my avatars of late have been a lot more Lollie and a lot less Chlois.

Despite her FBI seasoned roster of skills, I don't find her that annoying. It's only this latest thing with Lois that bothers me at all. Even that doesn’t bother me THAT badly because even with those OOC moments they still manage to get the good IC Chlois in there at certain times.


Originally posted by disc33
After getting rejected in so many seasons, I think she finally deserves someone who can call her his "girl"

Chlimmy supporter I’m not but this I completely agree with.

[AndiGirl]

I love Chloe to death, she is by far my favorite character...but she needs to cut back on the constant witty come backs, you know? I could never get tired of her...but she always seems to have some spirt of wisdom....like the flipper thing she tells Lana, and the birds and bee's reference to the murder in the woods...just, it's too much some times. Just say it ! haha, But i still love her! haha. and nobody on the show comes close to being as great as her. :)

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by kistner10
The writers make it that Chloe has no flaws. She always has to one up Lois and she's too smart. She's no older than 20 and she has all this access to help Clark solve everything. This show is starting to rely on her too much when it should be concentrating on Clark, Lex. and Lois's development. She was a better character when she had some flaws and was normal. The way she is going, I don't see why she isn't chief editor of the Daily Planet yet. Is anyone else starting to get as annoyed of Chloe as I am??

Oh I'm sure the anti-Chlarkers will come to your aid soon. I still have a soft spot for Chloe though so I disagree with you completely.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Since Chloe found out the secret, she's been reduced to nothing more than a plot device. One time she can trace "kangaroo" video feeds, crack Lionel's computer password, and the next day she can't open a password protected door (Sneeze).

If the plot requires piloting a spacecraft, you know that Chloe is your girl for the job.

Its not that I dont like her, but the shortcut Chloe kills the potential excitement of the show sometimes. I'd rather have the FoTW's back on the show, then seeing the same ol' computer wiz stuff.

Excellent point.
As much as I love Chloe knowing Clark's secret, her character has definitely somewhat deteriorated since then.
Why?
I don't understand...
Is it just the lazines of the writers?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
yea after hearin the spoiler I assumed in Zod chlimmy would get together but then when it aired we saw they didn't.And even in wither it was still unsure if they were or weren't,so I'm thinkin the li part will be like lana/adam from s3.They'll show interest in each other but not quite make it official cause so far they r still seperate til they speak of it onscreen sumwhere.But I'm guessin it'll be like lana/adam tho where they talk but that's it,nothin official from what we're seein.

OK, I guess I can live with that, as long as Jimmy doesn't turn out to be some kind of zombie like Adam...
Hehe...;)


Originally posted by umm
She is right! You could see at the end of 'Sneeze' that Chloe was happy for Lois as soon as she that thearticle had nothing to do with Clark! As for not being supportive enough of Lois, well cousin or no cousin journalism is a competitive world and Lois should get used ot that, Chloe shouldn't have to give her a break or hand her an article on the silver platter just because they are cousins! In fact she should be as big of a obstacle as possible, only that can way will lois learn to survive in a cut throught nitche that is journalism!
And if Chloe tries to ruin any of Lois's stories in the future, then that's probably because she got close to Clark's true story in some or otehr way, and Chloe ahs wowed to protect Clark's secret and that means even from Lois, at least for now, and if that means she'll have to ruin some of Lois' articles then so be it!

I also see it this way. Chloe has to protect Clark's secret. But I hope that she won't have to ruin too many of Lois' budding journalistic efforts, as this will always be interpreted as competition/jealousy between the two, which would make the show just much more complicated than it has to be... I think the intro of the GA shows that Lois will be busy with very different stories, not touching Clark. And Chloe will not know who the GA is - so, no angst there...

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Khyla
Couldn't have said it any better!

Chloe's supposed to be human, yet she's unrealistic because she's able to do things humans like her without professional training shouldn't be able to do; even on a scifi show.


I don't know how anyone can be a fan of SV if they don't love Chloe; she is such an integral part of the show. She's Clark's best friend and he loves her dearly.

I don't love Chloe, and I don't think I'm the only one. :\

[shirkie]

Chloe is my favorite part of "Smallville." I absolutely adore her. AM just sparkles in every scene. I do agree her abilities are ridiculously far-fetched, but I don't know how anyone would get anything done on the show without her sleuthing since none of the characters seem capable of filling that role.
shirkie

[p.he.nix]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl

I don't love Chloe, and I don't think I'm the only one. :\

Nope your not the only one. :)

I just really don't like how the writers use her character as an easy way out of writing how clues are solved. It is like let's plug everything into Chloe that way we won't have to come up with a different idea each time. To me, it becomes tiring with the same old story of her crazy hacking skills. But it looks like they are starting to ease up this season on the hacking skills. So that is good.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by p.he.nix
Nope your not the only one. :)

I just really don't like how the writers use her character as an easy way out of writing how clues are solved. It is like let's plug everything into Chloe that way we won't have to come up with a different idea each time. To me, it becomes tiring with the same old story of her crazy hacking skills.

That's very true. However, it hasn't always been like that with Chloe, remember? Aaaah, the good old times. Hopefully the writers will correct her character soon...

[eas]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Chloe's supposed to be human, yet she's unrealistic because she's able to do things humans like her without professional training shouldn't be able to do; even on a scifi show.

I don't love Chloe, and I don't think I'm the only one. :\

Nope, you're not the only one.

I used to love Chloe before she turned into Super!Chloe in season 5. I kept waiting for them to fix her character, but it didn't happen. And judging from the direction they're going in season 6, I'm probably going to end up hating her by the end of the season.

I hope not -- I really do hope they fix her annoying tendencies soon. Or I'm going to have to start forwarding through her scenes (something that already happens with Lana).

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by eas
Nope, you're not the only one.

I used to love Chloe before she turned into Super!Chloe in season 5. I kept waiting for them to fix her character, but it didn't happen. And judging from the direction they're going in season 6, I'm probably going to end up hating her by the end of the season.

I hope not -- I really do hope they fix her annoying tendencies soon. Or I'm going to have to start forwarding through her scenes (something that already happens with Lana).

It is strange, some characters on this show simply seem to be best when they are pining over someone. Since Chloe stopped (visibly) pining, since Clana iss over and Chloe knows Clark's secret and turned into the hacker-queen, she has lost some of her original quality, I have to agree with that...

[BeldarofRemulak]

But then you have people hating Chloe because she is Pining...one character is never going to be liked acrossed the board by all fans and the whole super Chloe doesnt effect me at all...its almost like Willow on buffy she was that research/computer whiz...a show needs someone to find out things and the writers of Smallville go the easy way out all the time.

[jmf1977]

I also don't love Chloe. She was not too bad when reporting was just what she did in high school but since then she has become completely unbelievable. Others always seem to complain about Lana's transition to "evil", yet SuperChloe can apparently do no wrong. I do blame the lazy writers for all of the characters behavior on SV. But Chloe really has no point on this show other than to advance the plot or solve the mystery. I am tired of reading episode descriptions like "Clark and Chloe investigate ..." Too ridiculous.

[umm]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
But then you have people hating Chloe because she is Pining...one character is never going to be liked acrossed the board by all fans and the whole super Chloe doesnt effect me at all...its almost like Willow on buffy she was that research/computer whiz...a show needs someone to find out things and the writers of Smallville go the easy way out all the time.

And yet nobody criticised Willow, but everybody is jumping on Chloe for possesing the very same qualities!

As for Chloe's witty come backs, which someone mentioned previously, well one can never hear enough of those! So I say, Chloe keep on doing what you have been doing so far!

[myankskent]

Originally posted by eas
Nope, you're not the only one.

I used to love Chloe before she turned into Super!Chloe in season 5. I kept waiting for them to fix her character, but it didn't happen. And judging from the direction they're going in season 6, I'm probably going to end up hating her by the end of the season.

I hope not -- I really do hope they fix her annoying tendencies soon. Or I'm going to have to start forwarding through her scenes (something that already happens with Lana).

The main thing with Chloe is that she is not involved in any major arcs on this show. Back in seasons 2 and 3, there was the Lionel arc that gave her something good to work with. Now that she knows Clark's secret, she's basically shown at the Daily Planet waiting for Clark to come by with a problem for her. I thought that this Jimmy thing would be intriguing, but it seems like he is going to have a very small part to play, or at least he's not going to be in enough episodes to give Chloe a storyline there. I have a feeling that they are nearing the end for Chloe. They're not even showing her writing articles anymore, it's basically hacking and researching for Clark only.

[Christine C]

Clark is not in Lois's camp either, did anyone notice he says something to Chloe about letting Lois get the story ahead of her, or scooping her. He even makes a face. Its like he wanted to get Chloe going about it. He knows she's the reporter.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
yea after hearin the spoiler I assumed in Zod chlimmy would get together but then when it aired we saw they didn't.And even in wither it was still unsure if they were or weren't,so I'm thinkin the li part will be like lana/adam from s3.They'll show interest in each other but not quite make it official cause so far they r still seperate til they speak of it onscreen sumwhere.But I'm guessin it'll be like lana/adam tho where they talk but that's it,nothin official from what we're seein.Could explain why AM says their ship is sweet and innocent cause maybe its not a actual relationship jus yet but we'll see

Wel, it is pretty clear that Jimmy, I mean Climmy, IS starting to heat up a little and that they are going together and I would'n't put Jimmy in the same sense as Adam.For one thing he NOT a made up character like Adam and besides Jimmy still has a few more , maybe even more episodes to go probably during the half season.

But like you said, we will see before IF Climmy is really serious or not and IMO it is. :D

[Khyla]

Originally posted by umm
...
As for Chloe's witty come backs, which someone mentioned previously, well one can never hear enough of those! So I say, Chloe keep on doing what you have been doing so far! ditto :)
I love her witty remarks! it's part of who her character is, along with being the hacker, the investigative expert, the ambitious, promising reporter, and Clark's devoted and trustworthy confidant. It seems to me, she is the constant among a myriad of changes around Clark.

Although SV might seem like a soap opera sometimes, it's not. It's an action series that models it's stories and characters (however loosely) after a comicbook classic. they each have their specific strengths, weaknesses, and attributes that define them. It keeps things simple yet strong, just like the comics.

[shirkie]

If that certain spoiler is true about the bambino, "Smallville" WILL officially be a freaking soap opera...
shirkie

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by shy175223
Wel, it is pretty clear that Jimmy, I mean Climmy, IS starting to heat up a little and that they are going together and I would'n't put Jimmy in the same sense as Adam.For one thing he NOT a made up character like Adam and besides Jimmy still has a few more , maybe even more episodes to go probably during the half season.

But like you said, we will see before IF Climmy is really serious or not and IMO it is. :D
but thats the thing if he continues to not be mention for the next 3 or 4 episodes he's not in then his return will seem awkward.So yes we r bein told that he's a li but as of now we dont kno exactly what that is,cause his appearances r spreaded out too far.And I dont mean he's like adam exactly but in the li part he is.As of now he's sumone chloe likes/talks too but its not official.So intil he comes back onscreen and its made clear that they r together he's jus a guy showin interest in her jus as adam was to lana.That's what I meant,I kno jimmy isn't a madeup character jus sayin so far he's playin the role adam played(Before we knew of his dealings wit lionel)as jus a guy interested nothin more.But yea we've been told that they'll be together but the time gap will hurt the relationship if he's never mention.Cause then if chlimmy does breakup late in the season then that means when he does come back late Nov/Early Jan we'll only see 1 or 2 more good episodes of chlimmy then the start of the angst.So hopefully tptb do sumthin about the gaps,cause the ship isn't goin to be believable if he's never mention inbetween shows.imo :D

[p.he.nix]

Originally posted by umm
And yet nobody criticised Willow, but everybody is jumping on Chloe for possesing the very same qualities!

As for Chloe's witty come backs, which someone mentioned previously, well one can never hear enough of those! So I say, Chloe keep on doing what you have been doing so far!

Wasn't Willow researching ancient rituals/creatures, past events and such? Don't think she ever hacked into a security system or that sort of thing. Maybe that is why.

[maudeline]

Eeee Yes loll Willow has hacked a LOTS of security system...

[thehenry89]

then again willow was a witch and that show was in the early nineties.

[Farm_Girl]

I think the line “I may be jealous of you Lois” sets up a new arc for Chloe this season. We have all seen her as a perfect friend for Clark, I think it is time we explore the cousins’ past and try to find out what could be the reasons behind her jealousy.

I mean wasn’t Lois who came to town to find her killers, always treats her as her little sister and went undercover to give Chloe her first byline? And Chloe has always also treated Lois as so close to herself, I think this new change in Chloe's attitude could not be without a reason.

In Exposed, when Chloe shows Clark and Lois her first byline in DP, Lois shows this expression of genuine happiness as if she is proud of Chloe, and when Lois shows her byline to Chloe in Sneeze, she’s all “yeah, whatever,”

As much as I felt uncomfortable with Chloe’s behavior in Arrow, keeping facts from Lois, and mocking her once again in front of Clark, I really think this arc might go somewhere.

Smallville is about transitions, all characters have some flaws and they are fighting to remove them or embracing them as destiny, Chloe is the only one whose never been explored. I guess now that she is heading towards the comics, this may be an interesting way to show her relationship with Lois and how it shapes up both cousins in the future.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
I think the line “I may be jealous of you Lois” sets up a new arc for Chloe this season. We have all seen her as a perfect friend for Clark, I think it is time we explore the cousins’ past and try to find out what could be the reasons behind her jealousy.

I mean wasn’t Lois who came to town to find her killers, always treats her as her little sister and went undercover to give Chloe her first byline? And Chloe has always also treated Lois as so close to herself, I think this new change in Chloe's attitude could not be without a reason.

In Exposed, when Chloe shows Clark and Lois her first byline in DP, Lois shows this expression of genuine happiness as if she is proud of Chloe, and when Lois shows her byline to Chloe in Sneeze, she’s all “yeah, whatever,”

As much as I felt uncomfortable with Chloe’s behavior in Arrow, keeping facts from Lois, and mocking her once again in front of Clark, I really think this arc might go somewhere.

Smallville is about transitions, all characters have some flaws and they are fighting to remove them or embracing them as destiny, Chloe is the only one whose never been explored. I guess now that she is heading towards the comics, this may be an interesting way to show her relationship with Lois and how it shapes up both cousins in the future.
well they could be goin for a certain arc wit the cousins but I don't think it'll be anythin too bad where we may hate it.Jus sum friendly competition...And chloe reaction in sneeze wasn't a whatever look but a genuine happy look cause she was still proud of lois.But we all interpret scenes diff

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
I think the line “I may be jealous of you Lois” sets up a new arc for Chloe this season. We have all seen her as a perfect friend for Clark, I think it is time we explore the cousins’ past and try to find out what could be the reasons behind her jealousy.

I mean wasn’t Lois who came to town to find her killers, always treats her as her little sister and went undercover to give Chloe her first byline? And Chloe has always also treated Lois as so close to herself, I think this new change in Chloe's attitude could not be without a reason.

In Exposed, when Chloe shows Clark and Lois her first byline in DP, Lois shows this expression of genuine happiness as if she is proud of Chloe, and when Lois shows her byline to Chloe in Sneeze, she’s all “yeah, whatever,”

As much as I felt uncomfortable with Chloe’s behavior in Arrow, keeping facts from Lois, and mocking her once again in front of Clark, I really think this arc might go somewhere.



Lois does treat Chloe like a little sister, but in an adorable way. And actually both Chloe & Lois went undercover at the Windgate. The only problem is that they both got caught while going through the records. I find it mind boggling that the people who always rave about Lois being undercover......always seem to "conveniently" omit that last bit....and they never mention that it was Chloe's quick thinking ("good reporter always thinks quick on her feet") that not only got both of them off the hook, but put both of them in a position to do better quality snooping. As it stands, Chloe & Clark both figured everything out. But Lois.....becasue she's "Hot to Trot" (and Lois/Erica is stunning) the bad guy kind of fell into her lap, and after that everything else also fell into her lap. But again, none of that would have happened either without Chloe talking her into it. The part I really admired about Lois was that she forced herself to do it because of Melissa. Who knows, if things had unfolded with different circumstances, maybe Lois could have done it all on her own....but Lois didn't.....not the way it transpired in the episode.

As far as getting the story, let's be fair......all of them got from point A to point B...but Lois (again, as it came accross in the episode...at least to myself) was mostly the result of luck, a good deal of heart (she cares), and a good deal of nerve (dancing on stage). Chloe & Clark were more the classic Scooby than anything else. And it seems also only fair to add, that out of all three of them, only one made it all the way from Point A to point C........"C" as in "C"atching the "C"rook. Chloe tipped off the interpool authorities, and in a real sense put the Finishing Touches on the story herself. Again, why do people always omit this?....like it's not important......like it's only important that Lois accidently ended up deeper undercover than she had any intention of doing. Almost as if they want to "Glorify" anything Lois does.....just because she's the future Icon of the Superman Mythos.

I also think that Chloe was happy for Lois' story, but you got to admit that it was a pretty absurd story in a pretty absurd magazine. Clark even makes the remark about "integrity". I think that's what both Clark & Chloe were aluding to. I also believe that if Lois hadn't been so flip flooply about what she wants to do......Chloe would have been more seriously happy for her.......and who wouldn't have a competitive drive in such a situation between such Classic characters......or even between Cousins who should really have been siblings.

It's not impossible that the writters can go in the direction that you are saying.....about Chloe's attitude.....but I have honestly not seen anything on screen to concretely support that it would be anything but a friendly rivalry. The closest it's come to what your saying is probably "ARROW", but I truly believe that Chloe wasn't so much jealous, as envious of the story that Lois is chasing. Anybody else.....well, all's fair in Love & War....But this is Lois.....For this reason, Chloe would not have scooped Lois' story, but I can totaly see Chloe wanting to figure it out first.....not just because of her competitive drive (as Clark said), but because her "curiousity" is still alive, well, and quite overwhelming. And come on, a story like this is right up Chloe's alley! What's really ironic is that Lois' definitive reporter moment will be when she writes about Superman.....but all things being fair.....it is and always was Chloe's story first (on SMALLVILLE that is!)......it's just to bad that it's the Scoop of the "The Millennium", because it's a story that Chloe will never allow herself to write......and we all know why.

If, however, they do end up doing the arc that you suggest, I hope they do both characters justice. And that it's not Chloe & Lois fans going at it about who's better. Which leads back to what I have always said from day 1......that at some point in the mythos (but not on Smallivlle hopefully), Chloe will have to leave (you know....after she's made her mark on the Daily Planet....Top Reporter & Multi Pulitzer winner...etc.), because I can't see either Character playing second bananna to the other.......it wouldn't be fair to Smallville's Chloe & it wouldn't be fair to Iconic Lois.

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
when Lois shows her byline to Chloe in Sneeze, she’s all “yeah, whatever,”

No. She questioned her integrity by pointing out that she didn't know how she felt about the alien angle, but then she invited her to come with her and Clark to the lake to "celebrate her first byline." Wow. How HORRIBLE of her. :p



Smallville is about transitions, all characters have some flaws and they are fighting to remove them or embracing them as destiny, Chloe is the only one whose never been explored. I guess now that she is heading towards the comics, this may be an interesting way to show her relationship with Lois and how it shapes up both cousins in the future.

I think you have the roles reversed. It's Temp Lois who's never been explored fully.

Chloe totally has. Or have you forgotten The Lionel Deal of season 2 and the subsequentive Redemptive Arc of season 3? Not to mention all the other stuff she went through learning about her ethics etc when it comes to journalism.

However, I do think there will be a rift between them. But the writers have been careful to point out how unethical Temp Lois has been and that Good Journalism = Chloe and Bad Journalism = Temp Lois. So Chloe will be the one to come out on top of this one.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by chlarklove
No. She questioned her integrity by pointing out that she didn't know how she felt about the alien angle, but then she invited her to come with her and Clark to the lake to "celebrate her first byline." Wow. How HORRIBLE of her. :p




I think you have the roles reversed. It's Temp Lois who's never been explored fully.

Chloe totally has. Or have you forgotten The Lionel Deal of season 2 and the subsequentive Redemptive Arc of season 3? Not to mention all the other stuff she went through learning about her ethics etc when it comes to journalism.

However, I do think there will be a rift between them. But the writers have been careful to point out how unethical Temp Lois has been and that Good Journalism = Chloe and Bad Journalism = Temp Lois. So Chloe will be the one to come out on top of this one.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing abut Lois being the one that has never been fully explored.....especially since she has had only about 13 episodes a season for just slightly over two seasons. This would tend to suggest bias that is a result of knowing Future Superman Mythology. Translated....."an unwillingness to let go of the future at the expense of the here and now".....that would be my prognosis......but hey, it's not like my name is Sigmund Freud.

My belief (whether I'm biased here or not) is that logically, Chloe should be the one to come out on top.......that is unless the writters would rather "lightswitch" it as opposed to making Lois pay her dues and earn it.....worse yet.....have it fall into her lap all over again. That would suck.......even Lois' job as Martha Kents aid is a result of knowing the Kents through Chloe. As it stands....where would Lois be without Chloe? Yeah, they both have natural talent....but which one has spent years sharpining her skills? Yep, that's right......the Snarky One.....oh wait....they're both kind of Snarky.....make that the "Slickest Blonde that Clark will ever meet".

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by chlarklove
Chloe totally has. Or have you forgotten The Lionel Deal of season 2 and the subsequentive Redemptive Arc of season 3? Not to mention all the other stuff she went through learning about her ethics etc when it comes to journalism.

I was just about to post the same arguments.
Well done.
Chloe's dark side has indeed be explored.

I hope that the cousin jealousy/competition thing is not going to be an arc on its own. The last thing we need now is Chloe and Lois hating each other...

[norman619]

Wow! 14 pages worth of rants about Chloe. Amazing!

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I hope that the cousin jealousy/competition thing is not going to be an arc on its own. The last thing we need now is Chloe and Lois hating each other...

That would be overkill, not to mention that both Lois and Chloe have to be completely out of character to start hating eachother. I defenetly dont want to see that.

[p.he.nix]

By pitting Chloe and Lois against each other, it would be bad onscreen and on the board as well IMO. I can only imagine what effect it would have on the posts.

Not looking forward to that at all.

[disc33]

Thats definitely not going to b a good relationship between them if they start hating eachother...lois is going to become like chloe in s 3..where she cared more about journalism

[Billy Jor-El]

Chloe is the first journalist to use the name "Lois Lane" ("....it's my cousin, she's not into journalism.") on her first story in the Planet. Let Chloe sue Lois for plagarism!!!! Let the truth be known, Chloe is Lois.

And was that cool or what when Clark told Chloe to drop it after she sees that her computer files are deleted, and she says, "....you know who he is!...............And he knows who YOU are!!!!!!!"

Oh yeah.....yep, hot as always.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Correction: Chloe wanted to use the name Lois Lane, but never got the chance because Max was killed before he could publish the story.

Besides, there is a Chlois thread already :\

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Besides, there is a Chlois thread already :\

Oh, don't worry - it still exists, I am certain... Actually, something tells me that 2 things can survive a nuclear winter: cockroaches and the Chlois theory...
:D

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by umm
And yet nobody criticised Willow, but everybody is jumping on Chloe for possesing the very same qualities!
Yes but Willow never was competition, Chloe is ;)


Originally posted by p.he.nix
By pitting Chloe and Lois against each other, it would be bad onscreen and on the board as well IMO. I can only imagine what effect it would have on the posts. Not looking forward to that at all.



:eek: I didn't see that way before... Competion against Temp Lois and Chloe was nothing that really worried me (like Bambi vs. Godzilla of course Bambi is Temp Lois) but the boards will indeed sufer: we are going to tear us apart!...I love civil debate so NO PLEASE no more of that I hope that is the last time:(


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Oh, don't worry - it still exists, I am certain... Actually, something tells me that 2 things can survive a nuclear winter: cockroaches and the Chlois theory...
:D

Ha ha ha you are so right!:lol:

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Oh, don't worry - it still exists, I am certain... Actually, something tells me that 2 things can survive a nuclear winter: cockroaches and the Chlois theory...
:D

LOL. But you know, cockroaches dont belive in the theory, thus it wont survive a nuclear winter, because there will be nobody left to belive in it :D


I didn't see that way before... Competion against Temp Lois and Chloe was nothing that really worried me (like Bambi vs. Godzilla of course Bambi is Temp Lois) but the boards will indeed sufer: we are going to tear us apart!...I love civil debate so NO PLEASE no more of that I hope that is the last time


True, and as long as posters type Temp Lois, AMLois and so on and so forth on other threads besides the Chlois thread, that will always be a source of heated debates. 100 posters might ignore it, but it takes only one to react to that and start the fire.

I have no intention to create a problem out of this, I'm just helping you to see it from another perspective, so please, dont get me wrong.

[p.he.nix]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton

:eek: I didn't see that way before... Competion against Temp Lois and Chloe was nothing that really worried me (like Bambi vs. Godzilla of course Bambi is Temp Lois) but the boards will indeed sufer: we are going to tear us apart!...I love civil debate so NO PLEASE no more of that I hope that is the last time:(


I always thought that the friendly, sisterly Chlo-Lo relationship that kept the Cloisers/Chlarkers/Chloisers in check. Not sure but I am going to guess most people like their relationship (at least I haven't seen any comments about Chloe and Lois having no chemistry and such). Guess that is why some don't like the recent rivalry route. IMO the cousins never acted that way before to each other and it is as if all a sudden someone pulled a switch


Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom

True, and as long as posters type Temp Lois, AMLois and so on and so forth on other threads besides the Chlois thread, that will always be a source of heated debates. 100 posters might ignore it, but it takes only one to react to that and start the fire.


Agreed.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
True, and as long as posters type Temp Lois, AMLois and so on and so forth on other threads besides the Chlois thread, that will always be a source of heated debates. 100 posters might ignore it, but it takes only one to react to that and start the fire.

I have no intention to create a problem out of this, I'm just helping you to see it from another perspective, so please, dont get me wrong.

If you check my posts before Snezze I just call her EDlois to diferenciate her form MKlois or THlois and MNlois and so on (I'm not a fan of name calling)...But after The Barn Door of Enlightment, sorry she earn it.
I just want to clarify that it shows my take on the character not on the fans of her and it never bothers me when some of my faves has a name I consider they deserve I adore Clark but even I agree with her BDA label, or MB for Lionel.
And finally I was using Lois Lame after the Big Lightswitch of 2006 but the reviewer of EW popwatch used the name Temp Lois and some Chloiser had adopted it so you should say to other medias not to name call your character as well.


Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
LOL. But you know, cockroaches dont belive in the theory, thus it wont survive a nuclear winter, because there will be nobody left to belive in it :D

How do you know? Had you talked to any coachroach about the theory? ;)

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Oh, don't worry - it still exists, I am certain... Actually, something tells me that 2 things can survive a nuclear winter: cockroaches and the Chlois theory...
:D
:lol: :rotfl: well thats 1 way to put it

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
LOL. But you know, cockroaches dont belive in the theory, thus it wont survive a nuclear winter, because there will be nobody left to belive in it :D


Oooooh, I sense a philosophical debate. Where is Nospam?!?

So, is a theory still a theory when no one is around anymore to believe in it?!?

One could certainly argue about that. The theory has to be established by the human mind, of course. But the concept itself could then live on, for instance in written form (which would survive nuclear winter), like a cave painting created by a forgotten civilization...

Hehe, imagine if the human race was to be wiped out (let's hope not!!!) and the only remaining thing aliens would find millenia later: the Chlois theory?!?
:lol:

[Nospam]

Not marble, nor the gilded monuments
Of princes, shall outlive this powerful rhyme;
But you shall shine more bright in these contents
Than unswept stone besmear'd with sluttish time.
When wasteful war shall statues overturn,
And broils root out the work of masonry,
Nor Mars his sword nor war's quick fire shall burn
The living record of your memory.
'Gainst death and all-oblivious enmity
Shall you pace forth; your praise shall still find room
Even in the eyes of all posterity
That wear this world out to the ending doom.
So, till the judgment that yourself arise,
You live in this, and dwell in lover's eyes.

- William Shakespeare

That's as philosophical as I get tonight. I should add that I think William Shakespeare would have been a Chlarker. :)

[Kal-ed]

Why?? cause all his love stories were tragic??? :p

And THIS is as philosophical I get tonight:D

And please dont turn this thread into a chlois thread I just lost a tread i had just made:( cause it turned into a Chlois discussion thread.

Although i wouldnt mind the Clolliver (Ollie turn into Clark) discution, temp Clark has to step aside for the real JHClark to save Metropolis.:cool:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Nospam
That's as philosophical as I get tonight. I should add that I think William Shakespeare would have been a Chlarker. :)

That was beautiful.
Good ol' Shakespeare...

Yeah, no doubt he would've been a Chlarker. He would've liked tragic Chloe at least. Clumsy Clark, I am not so sure...

Although: 'To be or not to be'... Sounds pretty much like Clark's problem...
And no, this is not a Chlois-thread, do not fear.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Nospam
- William Shakespeare

That's as philosophical as I get tonight. I should add that I think William Shakespeare would have been a Chlarker. :) Actually with "What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other word would smell as sweet.", I think Shakespeare definitely would have been a.... oh wait, wrong thread ;)

[Nospam]

Originally posted by khufu
Actually with "What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other word would smell as sweet.", I think Shakespeare definitely would have been a.... oh wait, wrong thread ;)

"To be or not to be, --that is the question..." ;)

We shouldn't go there...

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
And please dont turn this thread into a chlois thread I just lost a tread i had just made:( cause it turned into a Chlois discussion thread.
Well I'm sorry for my Chlois comments then I try to avoid them in the future.
But again be prepared because most of the time all ways end up in Chlois...

[eas]

^^ But it shouldn't. Because, technically, it's a theory & there's a whole forum for theory discussion. And there are two threads devoted solely to the Chlois theory -- one's a debate & the other is a general discussion.

In an thread that's about an episode, everyone should be able to talk about Chloe and Lois as they exist in that episode. The theory shouldn't be playing a part.

And I'm not saying this specifically to you and I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone. It's just a general comment. I know that it becomes really hard for a lot of Lois fans to post here because they avoid the theory threads for a reason. And then, in other threads, they feel like they're being bashed when the theory is used in a blanket style to bash Lois.

[LovelyLoisLane]

NO! NO MORE SHAKESPEARE!

I had to spend a MONTH decoding that over rated peacocks work. If I NEVER read another of his works EVER again it'll be too soon. Anyone who has never attended university for a Literature Degree probably thinks I'm out of my gourd, but you wait until YOU have to decode Shakespeare. You will be as insane as I am. My only solace during that horrible time was the wonderful Edgar Allen Poe . . . How I adore him!

Oh wait, that would be a good thing. Everyone knows a good writer must be partially crazy. :p

The roach joke was funny, to whoever first posted it.

What is the topic of this thread anyway? See what happens when you attempt to bring The Theory into a thread when it's off topic? The whole thread becomes off topic . . . .this means you! :p

Back to the Chlois issue. Chloe and Lois need to start getting along again or I'm going to dump that ship out onto the street and change the locks.


Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Hehe, imagine if the human race was to be wiped out (let's hope not!!!) and the only remaining thing aliens would find millenia later: the Chlois theory?!?
:lol:

They'd think it was a new recipe and name two food items Chloe and Lois and blend them together, resulting in a explosion that would destroy said race and that would be the end. :p

Then a cockroach would crawl across their ship . . . lol

[umm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LovelyLoisLane
[B]NO! NO MORE SHAKESPEARE!

I had to spend a MONTH decoding that over rated peacocks work. If I NEVER read another of his works EVER again it'll be too soon. Anyone who has never attended university for a Literature Degree probably thinks I'm out of my gourd, but you wait until YOU have to decode Shakespeare. You will be as insane as I am. My only solace during that horrible time was the wonderful Edgar Allen Poe . . . How I adore him!

I know how you feel my friend! Being a student of german and english language, and having to sit through hours and hours of Literature classes, be it Schiller or Shakespeare, mindlessly taking notes and reading book in antient english or german did take the fun out if for a while! Thankfully I am only a desertation away from my masters degree, and those hours are just a memory!

Oh wait, that would be a good thing. Everyone knows a good writer must be partially crazy. :p

Not always! I think excentric is more suited!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by umm
I know how you feel my friend! Being a student of german and english language, and having to sit through hours and hours of Literature classes, be it Schiller or Shakespeare, mindlessly taking notes and reading book in antient english or german did take the fun out if for a while! Thankfully I am only a desertation away from my masters degree, and those hours are just a memory![/QUOTE]

Fest gemauert in der Erden
Steht die Form, aus Lehm gebrannt.
Heute muß die Glocke werden.
Frisch Gesellen, seid zur Hand.
Von der Stirne heiß
Rinnen muß der Schweiß,
Soll das Werk den Meister loben,
Doch der Segen kommt von oben.

Liebe Gruesse!!!
iLwC

[umm]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Originally posted by umm
I know how you feel my friend! Being a student of german and english language, and having to sit through hours and hours of Literature classes, be it Schiller or Shakespeare, mindlessly taking notes and reading book in antient english or german did take the fun out if for a while! Thankfully I am only a desertation away from my masters degree, and those hours are just a memory!

Fest gemauert in der Erden
Steht die Form, aus Lehm gebrannt.
Heute muß die Glocke werden.
Frisch Gesellen, seid zur Hand.
Von der Stirne heiß
Rinnen muß der Schweiß,
Soll das Werk den Meister loben,
Doch der Segen kommt von oben.

Liebe Gruesse!!!
iLwC [/QUOTE]

Danke! Ein sehr schönes Gedicht! I wäre beinah angefangen es zu analysieren! Dann sagte ich zu mir selbst, halt, du braucht so was nicht länger zu tun! Trotzdem, danke für das Gedicht! :)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by umm
I wäre beinah angefangen es zu analysieren! Dann sagte ich zu mir selbst, halt, du braucht so was nicht länger zu tun!

Ja, es ist toll wenn diese Zeiten endlich mal vorbei sind...:)

OK, now back to English...
And to Chloe!!!
Hmmmmmm, Chloe...

<looks like Homer Simpson dreaming of a donut.>

;)

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
OK, now back to English...
And to Chloe!!!
Hmmmmmm, Chloe...

<looks like Homer Simpson dreaming of a donut.>

;)
ah what a site :D j/k

[umm]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
ah what a site :D j/k

Isn't it!:lol: If we just had a dead language too, that would be great!:lol: O.K; not really! It would be just confusing as....
And the discussions on these threads can get enough confusing as it is!:lol:

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by umm
Isn't it!:lol: If we just had a dead language too, that would be great!:lol: O.K; not really! It would be just confusing as....
And the discussions on these threads can get enough confusing as it is!:lol:
True :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by umm
Isn't it!:lol: If we just had a dead language too, that would be great!:lol:

Dead language?!? What are we talking about?!?

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Dead language?!? What are we talking about?!?
I was lost after the homer line while thinkin of chloe :lol: that was jus too funny to me(Since I jus happen to be flippin channels when I saw that post and saw homer on tv :lol: )

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I was lost after the homer line while thinkin of chloe :lol: that was jus too funny to me(Since I jus happen to be flippin channels when I saw that post and saw homer on tv :lol: )

Yeah, you know the way Homer drools when he thinks of donuts??? When it's dripping out of the corner of his mouth?
That's what I look like when I watch SV and Chloe is appearing on screen!!!;)

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, you know the way Homer drools when he thinks of donuts??? When it's dripping out of the corner of his mouth?
That's what I look like when I watch SV and Chloe is appearing on screen!!!;) That is so how I get when I see Clark on screen.. even if he's a BDA, he is a total HOT one... :)

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, you know the way Homer drools when he thinks of donuts??? When it's dripping out of the corner of his mouth?
That's what I look like when I watch SV and Chloe is appearing on screen!!!;)
:D well hey trust I kno what u mean smh


Originally posted by Rhoda123
That is so how I get when I see Clark on screen.. even if he's a BDA, he is a total HOT one... :)
u and ILWC wildin :lol:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
u and ILWC wildin :lol:

:lol: