TV Ratings for Arrow

[Krypto/DQ/]

When we get the ratings, talk about them here.



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Do you guys think the ratings for this episode will be higher than last week episode?

[superhippie2000]

hopefully. it looks really good but people who didnt like last weeks might not watch this weeks so it may be down.

[Krypton935]

i think you mean Arrow you put Wither in your heading

[Krypto/DQ/]

Originally posted by Krypton935
i think you mean Arrow you put Wither in your heading


Yea I know lol, but I can't edit the thread name, I don't know why. I figured it out right after I posted...me dumb sometimes lol. Sorry for this stupid mistake :\

[RedPhoenix23]

Lol, I was about to say something about the title. :lol:

[Krypto/DQ/]

Hehe, I just hope a moderator will change it cause I can't :(

[RedPhoenix23]

Don't worry about it, it's fine. Like no one else has ever had a type-o on a thread title before. *makes a warning glance* See? We've all done it at least once. :lol:

[Krypto/DQ/]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Don't worry about it, it's fine. Like no one else has ever had a type-o on a thread title before. *makes a warning glance* See? We've all done it at least once. :lol:



Thanks for the support!! :lol:

[superhippie2000]

im not going to support you how dare u put the wrong title of the episode. south park has been a great show and for you to get the name wrong is just pathetic lol. :lol:

[Krypto/DQ/]

Originally posted by superhippie2000
im not going to support you how dare u put the wrong title of the episode. south park has been a great show and for you to get the name wrong is just pathetic lol. :lol: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[jimmyolsenblues]

you need to edit the title of this thread from wither to arrow.

[neilmajithia]

hey jimmyolsenblues! did u read any of the posts before you wrote that!?
Any has anyone got the ratings for arrow yet?

[supes0]

From zap2it:

At 8 p.m., ABC's "Ugly Betty" and CBS' "Survivor: Cook Islands" tied for first in households at 8.9/14, though CBS had more total viewers. Game 7 of the National League Championship Series on FOX posted a 7.9/12 for the hour. NBC was fourth with "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office." The CW got a 2.8/4 from "Smallville."

From Mediaweek:

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC sitcoms My Name Is Earl (Overnights: #4, 5.7/ 9; Viewers: #4, 8.70 million; A18-49: #3, 3.5/10) and The Office (Overnights: #4, 5.3/ 8; Viewers: #4, 8.43 million; A18-49: #4, 4.0/10), and the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #5, 3.5/ 5; Viewers: #5, 4.65 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 5). If NBC is really thinking about replacing 8-9 p.m. scripted programming with news and reality/game show fare (see TV Tidbits below), what will happen to My Name Is Earl and The Office?

[Absentee]

ummm....

The ratings went down on the 4th episode of the season for the first time in years.

Wow. But we all knew it was coming.

[Naomi]

Didn't they only promote Green Arrow and Lois in the trailers?

[neilmajithia]

Im expecting them to bouce back next episode after arrow. Im from the uk, so i dont know this, but how often do they repeat smallville new episodes, if at all in the week between the episodes? I mean is there a chance people who saw this one will tell people how good it was and then they can catch a repeat?

[JLA]

I think the decline was a response to the terrible Wither episode last week. This is unfortunate because Arrow was great!

[batfinx]

Got the same ratings as Sneeze, which didn't have any Lois or Green Arrow in the promos :lol: But Wither, which was all Lois and Green Arrow did better than Sneeze. I'm afraid you can't lay this on any doorstep other than the 7th decisive game of the playoffs on FOX. Come on, I'm not the only one who was clicking between Smallville and baseball :D

However, if there's a downward trend when baseball is gone, then this could be the last year of Smalville. I'm OK with that. It will let them end things properly with no more moving backward in Clark's development and maybe give us a glimps of his future in the last episode.

[Polomontana]

They are constantly trying to shove the Lois Lane character down are throats. The character is poorly written and Chloe's character is very well developed. Less Chloe = poor ratings for Arrow!!

At 8 p.m., ABC's "Ugly Betty" and CBS' "Survivor: Cook Islands" tied for first in households at 8.9/14, though CBS had more total viewers. Game 7 of the National League Championship Series on FOX posted a 7.9/12 for the hour. NBC was fourth with "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office. The CW got a 2.8/4 from "Smallville."

zap2it.com

[monstra]

So there wasnt any baseball on last season? :P

Its sad really, ep 4 is been the highest rated episode from S3-S5, and now theyre back to 5.02 ratings, can't say Im not glad. :)

Now the real test will be next weeks. :D

[monstra]

Oh god, didnt Sneeze have like horrible ratings too? I dont think Chloes a factor in the ratings, if she were, ratings would be super high all the time, since shes 75% of the time Smallvilles on, on screen.

But yeah, I dont think anyone really cares about Lois and the Green dude either.

[canon]

Originally posted by JLA
I think the decline was a response to the terrible Wither episode last week. This is unfortunate because Arrow was great!

I agree. The Sexana in Wither might have turned off some, and didn't bother tuning in last nite's Arrow episode, which was really a FANTASTIC episode. CW will re-air Arrow on Sunday so hopefully it'll pick up new viewers.

[rudyrusso]

smallville is struggling, but so is the network. can they hold onto enough viewers to get through this season and warrant one last season of farewells for all our beloved characters? either way, things are on the downturn. I'm just going to enjoy whatever is left because we're looking at the end this series.

I can attempt to pinpoint the aspects of the show that are unappealing and thus effect the viewership, but I've already got into enough trouble for voicing my opinion on these boards. but real quick again!:

recast lois, tell kreuk to gain some weight, and somehow get martha and lionel out of the general picture. this is just for starters. for stories, we need more conscious acts of the characters that they all become. they've been in college for 3 years! there's no way they're this much like their high school personas, I don't care how much they need to have it that way to keep that demographic watching.

[Kal-ed]

Chloe is not the factor, no character outside of Clark is strong enough to make a big diference, How ever game 7, its understadable, basball atracts a a big part of the SV viewer demographics: males aged 18-25. Same thing happened with Sneeze, the game got port of the ratings, and after Mets forced the 7th game, of course it was going to pull rating, but comon Its like Clarmy saying that no Clana= Bad ratings, sorry but not true, people who know about this more than us posters analize markets and targets and if it were true then we would have a Chloe show, I mean if no Chloe puts SV 2 million viewers off, trust me she would get her own series, swaying that many viewers would be impresive but factually it isnt what happened.

And shoving Lois down our throughts, we rarely get an epi centered on her, last one was Recruit. As oposed to Chloe that we do get to see her almost everytime Clark is no screen, but you dont see me complaining

[Polomontana]

Nobody wants to see Lois and the Green Arrow!! Maybe if Lois was a more interesting character it would work.

The focus of Smallville should be the rivalry between Clark and Lex. Here it is the sixth season and Clark and Lex are making a full turn against each other and they don't get any scenes together in Arrow and they had one scene together in Wither. Come on writers!! It's time to heat things up between Lex and Clark.

I like the Lana character, well I sort of like the character, but she's taking away from screentime between Clark and Lex.

Here's a season finale. You have Lex find out about Clark's secret but everyone begans to label him crazy. Lionel says Lex has an obsession with Aliens and he has him taken to a psychiatric hospital. While Lex is sitting at a table in the hospital another patient walks up to him and asks can he sit down. When Lex looks up the guy says, "I've always wanted to meet you Mr. Luthor, my name is Otis." The ratings will shoot through the roof and Smallville will be the water cooler show for the next day. So writers, please get to the Lex and Clark clashes and confrontations!!

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by monstra
Oh god, didnt Sneeze have like horrible ratings too? I dont think Chloes a factor in the ratings, if she were, ratings would be super high all the time, since shes 75% of the time Smallvilles on, on screen.

But yeah, I dont think anyone really cares about Lois and the Green dude either.

Good point the first one.

As for the second point, speak for your self, there are many of us who are interested in the GA/Lois arc.

[Absentee]

Originally posted by monstra
So there wasnt any baseball on last season? :P


Yes, there was baseball last year too.

Still we managed just fine, actually even better then.

[MBCorp]

This reminds me of the Clana=ratings argument. :rolleyes:

Maybe the ratings weren't very good because Wither was such a lousy episode and it turned people away from this one?

[MBCorp]

You know, thinking about it I do have to wonder if the Sexana in Wither turned away viewers. It was pretty controversial.

[Naomi]

Didn't Sexana got higher ratings than this weeks???

[Polomontana]

People want to see Clark and Lex not Lois and the Green Arrow!!

[PhiLLyFAn087]

Originally posted by Absentee
Yes, there was baseball last year too.

Still we managed just fine, actually even better then.

There was no Game 7 last year in either Championship Series. So that allowed Aqua to get 6 million viewers last season. This year... not so lucky.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Naomi
Didn't Sexana got higher ratings than this weeks???

But they didn't promote it in the trailers. From what I remember it wasn't advertised at all.

[monstra]

Sexana wasnt pimped in the trailers, I think only the internet fan base knew it was gonna happen, and perhaps the people that saw that pathetic trailer with Lexana and you and me playing, they prob forgot all about it tho, since they didnt air it again since like before the season premiere.


Originally posted by PhiLLyFAn087
There was no Game 7 last year in either Championship Series. So that allowed Aqua to get 6 million viewers last season. This year... not so lucky.

What about in 2004 and 2003? :) No baseball then too?

If I remember right Slumber still holds the best ratings for a SVL episode ever, and Devoted got a 6 something too, all 4 episodes.

I think even Red had excellent ratings.

[AlphaSigmaOne]

Originally posted by Polomontana
"I've always wanted to meet you Mr. Luthor, my name is Otis." The ratings will shoot through the roof and Smallville will be the water cooler show for the next day. So writers, please get to the Lex and Clark clashes and confrontations!!

As long as he’s not a bumbling idiot.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by MBCorp
But they didn't promote it in the trailers. From what I remember it wasn't advertised at all.

I saw a trailer with Sexana, and Lighthouse playing over it...

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Naomi
I saw a trailer with Sexana, and Lighthouse playing over it...

But not advertising Wither. The infamous Lifehouse Lexana trailer aired earlier in the season (causing all kinds of controversy) and not too many people even got a chance to see it.

[Rhoda123]

I, for one, am all for the Lois/Green Arrow relationship. I want to wait as long as possible before they try to shove Lois and Clark down our throats.. which to me is preposterous anyway as they are not suppose to meet until later on while working at the freaking Daily Planet anyway but whatever..

I do agree though that there wasn't enough Chloe in this episode.. I am a Chlarker and always will be even though my hopes have been dashed, squashed and mutilated over the years!

[jimmyolsenblues]

i don't agree they are forcing lois down our throats.
They have been forcing a lot of lana and lana with lex time, after episode 100 , lana really is a non-issue in clark's life.
The show is about superman, the more non-superman centered scenes , the less viewers would be my guess.
People really don't seem to like the lex/lana scenes.

[canon]

Originally posted by PhiLLyFAn087
There was no Game 7 last year in either Championship Series. So that allowed Aqua to get 6 million viewers last season. This year... not so lucky.

I wonder what rating would be if there wasn't this network merger. CW is struggling on all their shows.

[Best Episode - 321]

I think baseball was the reason for the decline. It got 14 million viewers, and three shows airing at the same time, Survivor, Ugly Betty, and Baseball got over 40 million viewers, Maybe More! Game 7 took some viewers away from Smallville.

[ixnay]

Let's face it... this show has been followed by many many CLana fans over the past years. They've been kept glued to the show by the "Tell Lana The secret-Not tell Lana the secret". Whether you guys want it or not there was a huge fan base watching SV because of this and not only because of the SM mithology. Well that's over now so the show probably lost some interest to these watchers. This is part 1. Or does anybody believe that there's more Lexana or Chlark fans than CLana fans? I don't ;)

Now part 2. The story arcs they've been playing this season doesn't seem that exciting. Actually they're kinda boring: there's no spaceship, there's no Braniac.. there's only a broken piece of a weapon (that we do not know much about) and a guy in green. They might turn to be great story arcs at the end, but right now things aren't interesting at all.

that's my shot ;)

[jimmyolsenblues]

Maybe the character of Green Arrow hurt the ratings.
As much as I loved this episode, it was a lot better then I thought it would be.
My first thought on green arrow was , darn he is like the weakest guy in DC, give me a super hero that clark would have some trouble with.
So maybe people saw green arrow and tuned out and said, "Green Arrow, come on, give me somebody who could lay some punches on Clark".

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by monstra
Sexana wasnt pimped in the trailers, I think only the internet fan base knew it was gonna happen, and perhaps the people that saw that pathetic trailer with Lexana and you and me playing, they prob forgot all about it tho, since they didnt air it again since like before the season premiere.



What about in 2004 and 2003? :) No baseball then too?

If I remember right Slumber still holds the best ratings for a SVL episode ever, and Devoted got a 6 something too, all 4 episodes.

I think even Red had excellent ratings.

Rosetta I think was the highest rated SV ep. with 7.8 million.
some 4th ep. numbers like Devoted 6.2, Aqua 6.4, and Slumber 6.9.

I think TPTB have possibly FINALLY discovered that pimping Sexana or plain Lexana has yet to help the ratings and generally been linked to episodes that were ratings dudes. Think Fragile.

If Arrow did poorly it was probably a combination of a new network, a couple of weak lead in episodes, and the fact they were have already seen Ollie, sans the dumba## hood and glasses. Makes him look like a Halloween reject. JMO.

Now that LANA, yes the girl many have asked to see leave, has shown a backbone, if not a brain, then maybe LEX can get moving backwards the the swarmy bad boy instead of the chick licked wuss he is being shown as now.

I truly did not expect much as far as high ratings for this episodes so my disappointment is for the fans who have gotten sub par episodes and not the network for it's low numbers. I guess TPTB are giving IT to everybody this season, not just Lana.:\

[Supergirl Jam]

Originally posted by Polomontana
People want to see Clark and Lex not Lois and the Green Arrow!!

Speak for yourself. There are many people i know who like Lois and the Green Arrow.

[superpal1]

I believe it was the 7th game of the playoffs that took away some of the ratings. Smallville is great this season. i love how Lana is getting darker and Lex is getting more evil. I hope Smallville has one more season.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Well in my neck of the woods I watch it on A channel and at least they advertise it more than City TV used to

[Spoon AZ]

Are these threads really necessary?

I think I'm going to start Less Nell = Lower Ratings thread

[monstra]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Are these threads really necessary?

I think I'm going to start Less Nell = Lower Ratings thread

lmfao :lol: :rotfl: now we know why ratings havent been the same since S2

[margroks]

That is simply not true. Chloe is NOT on screen 75 percent of the time. SHe is actually not on a lot but Allison Mack's portrayal makes those scenes shine, especially when she's with Clark. If anything, it's when the not Lois is on, whining and trying to get Chloe to do her work for her that the show completely falls apart. Too much emphasis on a guest star and not enough Clark and Chloe. Lois sinks the ep; she's lazy and annoying and that is not at all what Lois Lane is about. It's just nonsense to make claims like these. They have no basis in reality.

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by margroks
That is simply not true. Chloe is NOT on screen 75 percent of the time. SHe is actually not on a lot but Allison Mack's portrayal makes those scenes shine, especially when she's with Clark. If anything, it's when the not Lois is on, whining and trying to get Chloe to do her work for her that the show completely falls apart. Too much emphasis on a guest star and not enough Clark and Chloe. Lois sinks the ep; she's lazy and annoying and that is not at all what Lois Lane is about. It's just nonsense to make claims like these. They have no basis in reality.


<-------- Stands up and applauds... VERY WELL SAID!!

[monstra]

Oh gosh! not enough Clark and Chloe? :lol: you cannot be serious! Thats like saying we havent had enough Lexana!

If someone should be complain about lack of screen time its Clark and Lana fans, we've had what? a two minutes scene in 4 episodes? pleeaze

[Absentee]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
the fact they were have already seen Ollie, sans the dumba## hood and glasses. Makes him look like a Halloween reject. JMO.



:rotfl:

When he did his so-called "entrance" I was LMAO. I'm sitting there thinking, "What the hell is he trying to do?" I was waiting for someone to pop up and say "HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!"

:rotfl:

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Polomontana
People want to see Clark and Lex not Lois and the Green Arrow!!
agree if they showed more of clark and maybe lex devolpment then the ratings would change.But sum ppl have written off sv since either s4 or 100th episode,so its goin to take more than Ga to bring back fans.And it seems tptb r relyin on Ga to save the show instead of Clark/Lex


Originally posted by MBCorp
This reminds me of the Clana=ratings argument. :rolleyes:

Maybe the ratings weren't very good because Wither was such a lousy episode and it turned people away from this one?
agree 1 episode can make ppl turn away for a min,that's why I think cyborg didn't have the ratings last season.Even tho it was considered a good episode,it may take a min to bounce back but the writers have to be consistent.U can't give us a Zod then 2 fillers then an Arrow episode.Ppl will lose interest quick,but hopefully it'll changeup now that Ga/Clark have met,next week looks like an episode full of oliver/lex which should be cool like most flashback episodes

[jimmyolsenblues]

I agree with D.M.A's sentiment.
TPTB are always looking for a new toy instead of the meat and potatoes of a story that has had legs since 1938.
Superman is a fantastic hero, maybe the greatest of all time.
Stick to the story of Jor-El->Kal-El->Clark ->Superman. Don't get sidetracked. This is a proven successful franchise, shy away from bit characters and small players. Lets get back to Clark becoming a hero, not a sulking emotional little boy.

[JLA]

This week's ratings are more a result of how poor last week's Wither episode was. I don't think it had anything to do with Chloe. Think about it, wouldn't you have to first watch the show to find out that Chloe didn't have much screen time?

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

This is SO like the Clana=ratings threads :rolleyes:

Unless you go door to door and ask every single person that watches the show, why they tuned out, it can be any number of factors.

How about the fact that most shows tend to lose ratings in their 6th and 7th seasons for one ;)

Lois shoved down our throats? ROFLMAO! That's a good one, cause if anyone's shoved down our throats it's Lexana and Chloe :rotfl:

[Absentee]

I think someone owes me a new keyboard!

:rotfl:

Guys, seriously.... it's too much! My sides hurts.

HAHAHA.

Whatever will they think of next? *waits anxiously*

[JLA]

The ratings really aren't bad. Have you noticed what other CW shows are getting? It is my understanding that Thursday night numbers are considered more valuable than numbersw on less competetive nights. These numbers are respectable given the fierce competition, especially when it includes a deciding game 7 playoff match-up.

[Polomontana]

Nobody wants to see Lois and the Green Arrow. If they want to do a spin-off then go ahead. They need more Clark and Lex scenes and more of the most popular girl on the show, Chloe!!

[fash292]

Smallville's still doing gd! It's still one of the top shows on the CW!! SO stop hypervenelating hehe lol..

[myankskent]

I'll tell you right now, this show is just not good enough anymore to hold up in the ratings department against a game 7 baseball game. My Yankees have been knocked out for over a week already and ordinarily if the Yankees were out I would watch Smallville and flip to the game during commercial breaks, but not last night. There was no way that I was going to watch Smallville live during that kind of game, and that is a result of how bad Smallville has been since last season. Just being honest.

[fash292]

I like Chloe and Lois! I think both of them r great characters and bring a lot of impact to the show! The ratings have nothing to do with one character.. It haz to do with advertizement and channel.. For Cw THE RATINgs r fine.. lOL

[margroks]

We've had five boring years of horrible Lana; that's enough to choke a horse. It was pointless and went on far too long. And yes, again, Chloe is not on very much; her screen time isn't a lot. But she's good when she is on and that's what everyone remembers. It's jsut not true that she's on too much. Count the minutes she's actually on screen and it comes up not a lot all too often. She's a great character who's doing what she should be doing and doing it well.

It's unfair to criticize her time on screen or her actions because she's smart and tough and does what needs to be done. It's not her fault that Lois is a just terribly constructed character who at best isn't very interesting and at worst, makes people cringe when she does things like make up stories and beg her cousin for research help she should be doing on her own.

[Ares]

less of chloe is just fine .. lately shes been perfect know it all.. gets annoying

[Kii]

Smallville isn't the only show that dipped in ratings, blaming low ratings on not having enough Chloe is ridiculous.

[k18]

yeah, Smallville isn't going anywhere. The show has been doing really well compared to other CW shows. It's not like it's getting "Runaway" numbers. lol

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kii
Smallville isn't the only show that dipped in ratings, blaming low ratings on not having enough Chloe is ridiculous.

Yeah, plus, how in the world do people know how much screentime Chloe is going to get before the episode airs? You can't tell me that because she is not featured in the promo, the ratings are bad for that episode. That's just ridiculous.

[Timester]

4.65 million? That's way better than I was expecting, really. Considering that Wither was last week...

[monstra]

Well here are some comparations:
3.Facade........final number 5.5 million viewers.
4.Devoted........final number 6.2 million viewers

Facade SUCKED one of the worse episodes ever, yet Devoted had 6.2 million viewers, difference of 1.6 million viewers compared to "Arrow"

3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers.

So comparing Episodes 4, Smallville lost 1.8 million viewers from last season to this one. Lovely. :lol:

[Timester]

Ah, nothing like a good old "Clana=ratings"-like thread...


Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Are these threads really necessary?

I think I'm going to start Less Nell = Lower Ratings thread

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Originally posted by Polomontana
Nobody wants to see Lois and the Green Arrow. If they want to do a spin-off then go ahead. They need more Clark and Lex scenes and more of the most popular girl on the show, Chloe!!

Hello, I'm Nobody, nice to meet you. :)

But I don't know, perhaps it has something to do with being the most entertaining Smallville arc that I have seen the last years?

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
Well here are some comparations:
3.Facade........final number 5.5 million viewers.
4.Devoted........final number 6.2 million viewers

Facade SUCKED one of the worse episodes ever, yet Devoted had 6.2 million viewers, difference of 1.6 million viewers compared to "Arrow"

3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers.

So comparing Episodes 4, Smallville lost 1.8 million viewers from last season to this one. Lovely. :lol:

Facade didn't sucked... It was a "Meh" episode. "Meh" episodes don't lower ratings. But now episodes like "Magnetic", "Spell", "Ageless", "Reckoning" (the worst cop-out ever) and "Hypnotic"...

[monstra]

"Spell" didnt suck, just cuz you didn't like it doesnt mean it wasnt a good episode, yeah the witch stuff was out there, but it was a fun episode, now I cant say the same about the other 3, I agree with you that they were horrible.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Timester


But I don't know, perhaps it has something to do with being the most entertaining Smallville arc that I have seen the last years?

Yeah, the GA arc looks very interesting and I love the fact that Lois is involved in it. Finally Lois gets to be involved in a big arc.

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
"Spell" didnt suck, just cuz you didn't like it doesnt mean it wasnt a good episode, yeah the witch stuff was out there, but it was a fun episode, now I cant say the same about the other 3, I agree with you that they were horrible.

I was talking about the general opinion, since that is what counts to the ratings. "Spell" is considered one of the worst Smallville episodes.

[Rafael122]

A 4.6 rating, and its probably one of the top 3 highest rated shows on the CW.

Smallville's rating is probably low for fan standards, but the network is probably loving it.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Nobody wants to see Lois and the Green Arrow. If they want to do a spin-off then go ahead. They need more Clark and Lex scenes and more of the most popular girl on the show, Chloe!!

speak for your self.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by myankskent
Finally Lois gets to be involved in a big arc.

That's the way that I feel. They're finally utilizing Lois in an effective way.

[Bandista]

I really don't get why people are comparing ratings and viewership from this year to last year...it's a completely different market now. The CW has a smaller market than the WB did...it's not available in the same number of metro areas as it was last year. Of course it's going to lose viewers.

SV is doing just fine for a show on a brand new network. It's not going anywhere. I'll leave y'all to read your tea leavesnow. ;-)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That's the way that I feel. They're finally utilizing Lois in an effective way.

Nice avatar MBCorp. You're mixing in a bunch of characters in your avatars these days.

[Timester]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That's the way that I feel. They're finally utilizing Lois in an effective way.

And it's the season arc, and a good one by the way.

[rudyrusso]

this show is on the out. there is next to NO way it can go past one more season. it started loosing steam last year, the worst so far in my opinion. this season is already better through 4 episodes.

BUT, the biggest reason why this show isn't kicking butt is because....

SUPERMAN RETURNS SUCKED REALLY HARD

[monstra]

Originally posted by Timester
I was talking about the general opinion, since that is what counts to the ratings. "Spell" is considered one of the worst Smallville episodes.

By whom? AlMiles? the producers? pfft they thought Hypnotic was sexy so one would have to guess

[Naomi]

Originally posted by myankskent
Yeah, plus, how in the world do people know how much screentime Chloe is going to get before the episode airs?

Without getting into whether Chloe does equal ratings or not, most people did have an idea. The trailer promoted it as all Lois and the Green Arrow. And people were expecting it to be more Clois focused than a decent Chlark episode

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
By whom? AlMiles? the producers? pfft they thought Hypnotic was sexy so one would have to guess

The many episodes polls K-Site had all over these years. ;)

[Timester]

Originally posted by Naomi
Without getting into whether Chloe does equal ratings or not, most people did have an idea. The trailer promoted it as all Lois and the Green Arrow. And people were expecting it to be more Clois focused than a decent Chlark episode

Or not. Considering that "Wither" was last week.

I guess that the Chlarks now agree with the "Clana=Ratings" threads?

[rudyrusso]

I wouldn't want to watch smallville either after seeing superman returns.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Naomi
Without getting into whether Chloe does equal ratings or not, most people did have an idea. The trailer promoted it as all Lois and the Green Arrow. And people were expecting it to be more Clois focused than a decent Chlark episode

There are very few episodes that are promoted as "Chlark" episodes. I'm not buying the idea of Chlark not being shown in the trailer leading to this rating. Besides, by now, Chlarkers should know that Chlark is not going to happen. If you're still watching the show now with that Chlark Vessel kiss LONG gone, then you will be watching until the end of the show.

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by myankskent
Yeah, the GA arc looks very interesting and I love the fact that Lois is involved in it. Finally Lois gets to be involved in a big arc.

I'm also happy that they're using GA to further Lois's journalism career as well.

[celita]

Smallville is a show very followed by the target of the young men. If there is final of baseball, like yesterday, we lose great part of this public. The series yesterday resisted very well, looks at the changes in Ugly Betty, also was Chloe going out little?. If Chloe was synonymous of rating Tomb would have been the best chapter the past season, but it wasn´t at all.

By the way, this topic actually is like those clana=ratings. Me (and you too) used to laugh when somebody wrote one of these topics. In fact, I, like the student of marketing that i am, am feeling my ribs hurting badly right now. :rotfl:

[monstra]

You marketing student you, explain to me then why "Arrow"s ratings sucked, when in S3,S4 and S5 even with baseball the ratings were good.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by celita
Smallville is a show very followed by the target of the young men. If there is final of baseball, like yesterday, we lose great part of this public. The series yesterday resisted very well, looks at the changes in Ugly Betty, also was Chloe going out little?. If Chloe was synonymous of rating Tomb would have been the best chapter the past season, but it wasn´t at all.

By the way, this topic actually is like those clana=ratings. Me (and you too) used to laugh when somebody wrote one of these topics. In fact, I, like the student of marketing that i am, am feeling my ribs hurting badly right now. :rotfl:

The one thing that I will say about this baseball game is that in past years, the ratings have been much better than this game. When the Yankees played the Red Sox in 2003 and 2004, every one of those games had great ratings. The year the Cubs got knocked out, same deal. This has been a pretty low rated baseball season so far. The Yankees were knocked out early and the Red Sox never even made the playoffs. A lot of the teams that have brought in the ratings in years past are out. I still think that we need to realize that the ratings are low because of last season. They just never picked up from where Vessel left off which is the exact opposite of what happened at the start of season 5. And the rating for the world series is going to probably be one of the lowest ever. Nobody cares about the Tigers/Cardinals. Something really big would have to happen this weekend and on Tuesday and wednesday for that game to get a high rating next thursday, that is if there is even a game because someone might sweep.

[celita]

Maybe, if you give me the ratings, and tell me what shows are against smallville those years. I can´t say "yes i can do it perfectly", because i don´t have them and i am sure that you saw that english is not my first language. Do you speak spanish?. I´ll be glad, in fact i would like to see more information of arrow´s ratings, last week we got better information

[Timester]

Originally posted by rudyrusso
I wouldn't want to watch smallville either after seeing superman returns.

:confused:

Monty Python moment of the day? Because it felt like I just was slapped with a fish.

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
You marketing student you, explain to me then why "Arrow"s ratings sucked, when in S3,S4 and S5 even with baseball the ratings were good.

I'm not a marketing student, but even I can say they didn't "sucked". Why? Because you are comparing two different networks. The problem is with CW, not Smallville. ALL CW shows are suffering with the ratings.

[monstra]

Oh god, Ive seen ANTM ratings, and theyre around 5 million and a half, but SVL ratings are down and you come out with the same nonsense.

Oh well.

[celita]

The one thing that I will say about this baseball game is that in past years, the ratings have been much better than this game. When the Yankees played the Red Sox in 2003 and 2004, every one of those games had great ratings. The year the Cubs got knocked out, same deal. This has been a pretty low rated baseball season so far. The Yankees were knocked out early and the Red Sox never even made the playoffs. A lot of the teams that have brought in the ratings in years past are out. I still think that we need to realize that the ratings are low because of last season. They just never picked up from where Vessel left off which is the exact opposite of what happened at the start of season 5. And the rating for the world series is going to probably be one of the lowest ever. Nobody cares about the Tigers/Cardinals. Something really big would have to happen this weekend and on Tuesday and wednesday for that game to get a high rating next thursday, that is if there is even a game because someone might sweep.

This year cannot be compared with the previous ones. An established channel is not the same that one of new creation as CW. The rating of all the series are lower than those of last year, the shows are more vulnerable to the changes. The environment matters very much. And certainly, I am Spanish and do not understand anything of baseball, my analysis is based what happens with big sports events in general, as an important football match. Of baseball i know that there is a guy with a bat and little more, so i didn´t understand anything of what you said, sorry.


I'm not a marketing student, but even I can say they didn't "sucked". Why? Because you are comparing two different networks. The problem is with CW, not Smallville. ALL CW shows are suffering with the ratings.

You are right

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
Oh god, Ive seen ANTM ratings, and theyre around 5 million and a half, but SVL ratings are down and you come out with the same nonsense.

Oh well.

Which is a drop. Last year, Smallville had 5/5.5 million and was still beat by America's Next Top Model. So much for "the same nonsense", uh?

EDIT: Forgot that the moved the ANTM, but the point is still the same.

[monstra]

And that was around mid season, not in the start, since the first episodes of SVL were all 5.5+

Go ahead and show me a list of all the ANTM ratings from last year to see how theyve lost a few thousands people.

I read when I saw the ratings for the first 2 eps I think that ANTM actually had better ratings than last year.

Im just repeating what Ive been reading in tons of articles, SVLS ratings are not that strong anymore, no matter how many buts you wanna play in the equations.

*sigh* whatever, believe what you wanna believe

[myankskent]

Originally posted by celita
This year cannot be compared with the previous ones. An established channel is not the same that one of new creation as CW. The rating of all the series are lower than those of last year, the shows are more vulnerable to the changes. The environment matters very much. And certainly, I am Spanish and do not understand anything of baseball, my analysis is based what happens with big sports events in general, as an important football match. Of baseball i know that there is a guy with a bat and little more, so i didn´t understand anything of what you said, sorry.


Long story short...the teams that have brought in higher ratings in years past are out of the playoffs this year. The Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers are all teams that bring in huge national ratings and they were either knocked out of the postseason in the first round or not in it at all. These are teams that have been in postseasons of years past, especially the Cubs in 2003 who got huge ratings for their games. This is why the ratings for baseball this season have been lower so saying that the Smallville ratings are lower this season because of baseball doesn't make any sense.

Plus, if you go back to "Zod", the baseball playoffs weren't even on yet for that episode and that episode was much lower than Arrival. So the problem with the ratings have to do with either the CW or the fact that this show has been in a ratings decline since Reckoning last season and hasn't picked up since. My vote is on the latter.

[Timester]

Originally posted by monstra
And that was around mid season, not in the start, since the first episodes of SVL were all 5.5+

Go ahead and show me a list of all the ANTM ratings from last year to see how theyve lost a few thousands people.

I read when I saw the ratings for the first 2 eps I think that ANTM actually had better ratings than last year.

Im just repeating what Ive been reading in tons of articles, SVLS ratings are not that strong anymore, no matter how many buts you wanna play in the equations.

*sigh* whatever, believe what you wanna believe

As soon I find it, I post it. And don't want to talk about all the other shows? Just go at CW forum and see that every single show forum people talk about the low ratings.

And I don't know what facts have to do with believe, but ok...


Originally posted by myankskent
Plus, if you go back to "Zod", the baseball playoffs weren't even on yet for that episode and that episode was much lower than Arrival. So the problem with the ratings have to do with either the CW or the fact that this show has been in a ratings decline since Reckoning last season and hasn't picked up since. My vote is on the latter.

It is a combination of both. But isn't as the topic says. :p

[Plbrock1s]

I think it's more than just one factor thats caused a ratings drop. The new network, baseball playoffs, new shows going up against it, etc. You can't just blame it on one thing.
Maybe it's just me, but I hate the fact that Smallville is losing to Ugly Betty in ratings.

[sprman808]

Ratings are down because the CW is NOT in all markets that the WB used to be in, such as Hawaii (where I am from).

Personally, I wouldn't worry about Smallville as it is the CW's #1 show.

[celita]

Ratings are down because the CW is NOT in all markets that the WB used to be in, such as Hawaii (where I am from).

I agree.


Ok, so the teams that take part this year attract less people than those of previous years. First, I was speaking about the baseball as a reason of the ratings of "arrow", not about the whole season. For what they commented on the yesterday game to me it was more important than that of last Thursday, of there that says that it is one of the reasons of that was lowering the rating of one week to other one, not Chloe.

The fault of which the ratings this year are lower without bearing the baseball in mind, since for example several happen to me:

1-The show is veteran, and like happens with all the series they are losing public with the step of the years.

2-The end of the fifth season was weak. Lexana has little acceptance and they were promoting every chapter with a lexana´s kiss, it was important in the episode or not. That’s a Bad idea.

3-If in the fourth season we compete with a boom like “lost” and it concerned the series, this year we have ugly Betty who seems that it´s having enough success. "Betty la fea", the original version of "ugly betty" was a great success in my country, it seems that in USA it does not go badly either. Besides it´s in a strong channel like ABC.

4-CW is a channel that it is in it’s beginning, is not established yet and it concerns the series. For example someone said that last year american top model was winning to smallville in ratings, this year smallville is the strongest program of the CW. In this forum we see that some fans of smallville missed the Zod episode because they did not know where to see the CW. If it happens between fans who visit the forums and have the information with only ask there will be many absent-minded fans who do not know where to see smallville and if already it began.

Now then, that smallville has fewer ratings that last year does not mean that to the series goes badly.

1-It is the strongest program of the channel, CW will want to bet for the sure thing, a new project can be a success or a complete failure. Smallville provides a sure rating to them, and a channel that it´s beginning needs to be established first then to start growing. The most important thing is to assure the survival of the channel, the benefits in this phase it´s secondary, and smallville according to them gives them benefits, so better still for us.

2-Smallville has few rating, but it is a good rating, the advertisers are very interested in coming to the young public (because independently of that the product is for a child or for an elder generally he is a young man/woman the one that is going to buy it, because of it they´re whom it is necessary to attract, they are the ones who takes the decision to buy my product and not that of the competition) and this is precisely the public who see smallville. The most wished target is the urban women between 18/45 years and precisely whiter supposed an increase of 5 % in this target (if I do not remember badly).

3-I saw the chapter for TVUplayer and it made me happy enough to see that the announcements were good (of the expensive ones), nothing of tvshopping, few autopromotion, advertising that leaves money to the channel. Last week the announcements were a cheap advertising, the advertisers are interested in smallville and it is good news.

Since you will see much more complex that " Chloe went out ", " Clana kissed each other ", " lois went out with ollie ". And certainly, only for reporting, the polls in CW's forums and things like that, they do not serve to take decisions on the series. They have information of ratings per minutes and know what public's class sees every moment of the program, are reliable information, not as a survey that, if we are sincere, we all know how to manipulate it. For the only thing that they serve it is to amuse ourselves, because to begin, the fans of the forums of opinion are not representative of the public who sees the series.

I love the translator of "el mundo" I might not have said this in English for me itself in my life.

[adamastor]

This thread is funny! :rotfl:

Only in Smallville will you see people blaming the ratings of an episode on the screen time of a SECONDARY character!!

What did you think happened? Did all the Chloe fans take a potty break at the same time, hence why it did so bad?! :lol:

There's a pattern to the highest rated episodes in Smallville, only those who are in denial as to waht it is don't see it!

[boingo]

Originally posted by sprman808
...Personally, I wouldn't worry about Smallville as it is the CW's #1 show.

No it isn't....America's Next Top Model is.

and I agree this thread is funny,

[SteveS]

Whether this thread is funny or not, lois isn't and at this rate we won't have to worry about a 7th season for Smallville because it will die on the vine this year.

Unless they can magically make Superman appear on the program...

[celita]

If CW does not disappear the year that comes, there will be the seventh season

[Naomi]

Originally posted by myankskent
There are very few episodes that are promoted as "Chlark" episodes. I'm not buying the idea of Chlark not being shown in the trailer leading to this rating. Besides, by now, Chlarkers should know that Chlark is not going to happen. If you're still watching the show now with that Chlark Vessel kiss LONG gone, then you will be watching until the end of the show.
I specifically said that I wasn't getting into why ratings dropped, but just addressing the comment that people had no clue if the episode would be Chloe heavy or not. I know that a lot of people I spoke with were talking about the promotion of Lois and Green Arrow, and wary of whether the episode would feature Chlark. It was generally accepted as a Lois and Green Arrow episode, and likely to have some Clois as well

I was not making an argument whether it was a factor in the ratings or not, but I don't think it's true that people go into episodes totally unaware of whether there would be Chlark or a more Lois heavy episode. That was the post I was responding too. I think most people have a general idea from the promotion of whether an episode will appeal to them or not. Hence episodes with DC characters generally doing better like Aqua and Cyborg last season.

[AndiGirl]

They are trying to shove everyone down out throats. One episode there is tons of Chloe (which i don't mind at all!) then the next it's all Lois, then Lana...it's stupid. They need to split it up equally in each episode..and if there is more Chloe, that's ok! haha.

[red-K glory]

The Kryptonsite news page says that Smallville got a 3.5/5 in the overnight ratings. If the ratings continue to be this low then Smallville might be in serious risk of cancellation. Episodes like Zod, Sneeze, and Arrow deserved to get better ratings. If only the writers would stop the whole Lexana thing and stop the Dark Lana junk then the ratings would have a good chance of increasing. I don't know about the rest of you but 3.5/5 is seriously bad ratings in my opinion.

Pilot: 6.7/10
Vortex: 6.3/9
Exile: 6.7/11
Crusade: 5.3/8
Arrival: 4.4/7
Zod: 3.8/6

As you can see the ratings for the season premieres have declined since season 4. If they continue to drop then Smallville is in big trouble.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Are these threads really necessary?

I think I'm going to start Less Nell = Lower Ratings thread

Hey, no one complained when someone created a Chloe=Backstabber thread. So you can live through this one.

As for Chloe=Ratings, I don't know if it's Chloe per se. I just think Smallville sucks, big time. It's sucked for a while now. Seasons 1-3 were really good and it's gone down hill from there.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Polomontana
They are constantly trying to shove the Lois Lane character down are throats. The character is poorly written and Chloe's character is very well developed. Less Chloe = poor ratings for Arrow!!

I don't buy arguments that tie certain ships to the ratings, but I agree that the attempt to 'force Lois down our throats' indeed seemed kinda forced in 'arrow'...
But that was mostly due to bad writing (and some poor acting), I think.
I mean we always wanted Lois to move more towards the center of attention in SV - but dear writers: just not like that, IMO...

[boywithbluehanger]

I dont care how stupid it sounds: The ratings went down because in the Arrow trailers they never showed a scene titled "Green Arrow" with cool graphics in the background. Like all the other superhero intro eppys (run, aqua, cyborg)

yes it sounds stupid but c'mon that has to be it!

[batfinx]

You marketing student you, explain to me then why "Arrow"s ratings sucked, when in S3,S4 and S5 even with baseball the ratings were good.

First, as someone already pointed out, the show was on the WB those years, not the CW, which is not available in all the markets the WB was and it's not available in some states. As to baseball, here's some interesting statistics. Here were the ratings the night Sneeze aired:

At 8 p.m., the second episode of ABC's "Ugly Betty," 9.5/15, held on to most of the audience from its premiere. "Survivor: Cook Islands," 9.4/15, was just behind in households but won the hour in viewers. "My Name Is Earl," 6.0/10, and "The Office," 5.4/8, rebounded some from last week. FOX's coverage of the National League Division Series was fourth, beating The CW's "Smallville," 2.8/4.

Notice that baseball sucked that night. It got less than 5.4/8.

Now, here's the ratings for Wither:

At 8 p.m., CBS' "Survivor" delivered a somewhat soft 9.4 rating, but still held off ABC's "Ugly Betty," which had a 9.3/15 (nearly two million viewers more watched the CBS reality show). NBC's "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office" averaged a 5.7/9 between them for third, well ahead of the start of the Cardinals and Mets on FOX. The CW's "Smallville" had a 2.9/5 for

Baseball still sucked getting a good deal less than 5.7/9 since that was listed as being "well ahead" of the baseball game's ratings.

However, when the championship made it all the way to a 7th and decisive game, the ratings shot way up for baseball:

At 8 p.m., ABC's "Ugly Betty" and CBS' "Survivor: Cook Islands" tied for first in households at 8.9/14, though CBS had more total viewers. Game 7 of the National League Championship Series on FOX posted a 7.9/12 for the hour. NBC was fourth with "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office." The CW got a 2.8/4 from "Smallville."

Even a show like Ugly Betty that has a high female demographic lost viewers that night against the 7th game. Also what's interesting is that Smallville still managed to get a 2.8/4, just like Sneeze, but up against a much higher rated baseball game.


This thread is funny!

Only in Smallville will you see people blaming the ratings of an episode on the screen time of a SECONDARY character!!

I think the ratings threads are always funny :lol: Vessel ratings were the lowest finale ratings the show ever got and Chloe fans were saying it's because the Chlark kiss wasn't advertised. Clanas blamed Lexana for the low ratings.


I specifically said that I wasn't getting into why ratings dropped, but just addressing the comment that people had no clue if the episode would be Chloe heavy or not.

Viewers knew that Blank would have tons of Chloe in it. It had a very Chlarky promo and showed that Chloe was in on the secret. But guess what? It got about the same rating as Arrow and on the WB which was available in more markets than the CW is ;) If we go back to Vessel, there was tons of Chloe in that promo and she was even narrating part of it! It showed Clark rescuing her from the car crashing in. It's like they were comparing Chlark to Lexana. They were the two couples shown in the promo. I'm sorry, but there's absolutely nothing to back up your claim. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The truth is Smallville is doing all right on the new network. Like I said, if the ratings fall even with baseball gone and continue a downward trend like they did third season after the first few episodes, then this could be the last year of Smallville and they can tie things up, because that's what they'd have to do next year anyway if they got a seventh season.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by batfinx
Viewers knew that Blank would have tons of Chloe in it. It had a very Chlarky promo and showed that Chloe was in on the secret. But guess what? It got about the same rating as Arrow and on the WB which was available in more markets than the CW is ;) If we go back to Vessel, there was tons of Chloe in that promo and she was even narrating part of it! It showed Clark rescuing her from the car crashing in. It's like they were comparing Chlark to Lexana. They were the two couples shown in the promo. I'm sorry, but there's absolutely nothing to back up your claim. It's quite the opposite in fact.

My claim? I don't know why you're quoting me for. I never said Chlark and anything to do with the ratings. I was responding to the post saying that people never know what to expect from an episode, when I think we do get a general vibe

Personally I think the ratings aren't about Chlark at all. They're more to do with Clark having a walk-on-part in the trailer, whilst the entire thing was build up around the Green Arrow, so it's becoming almost like a new show/Smallville spin-off at times. But that's just my opinion ;)

[Fly by guy]

Where the low numbers are tied to a new network, unhappy shippers, a lack of promos, or just the bad episodes for the last eight months, the show has only had ONE, REPEAT ONE!!!!!!, episode Cyborg, that had good ratings since that travesty called Reckoning.

SOMETHING pissed off a HUGE segment of fans and no Zod, Green Arrow, or stupid Jimmy O. arc is going to get them back.
For those who say it's because the CW is a smaller market, then that is really bad news because that will mean LESS money for those special effects and SUPER FRIENDS that some come to watch.

Having love interest in the show will not stop. Having gawd awful relationships in the show will and has hurt the show, JMO, and the spoilers from future episodes aren't helping, again JMO. Every thing so far has made me want to wait until HYDRO and Tori reveals the next GREAT (ha,ha) arc for the rest of the season. I wait with bated breath.

I think the ratings have fallen so low that even with no baseball we wouldn't be seeing last seasons early numbers. The Zod arc was that bad, or was it Lexana, or lack of Clana or Clois, or stupid Clark, or super techno Chloe, or.................:lol:

[Absentee]

My opinion.. Smallville should be beating America's Next Top Models rating wise or atleast they should be both the same.

We can't be saying it's because CW isn't in enough Markets because obviously ANTM is hitting the 5.5 million mark and reaching households. It's that same 5.5 million average ratings of season 5 for Smallville.

As for ANTM... if you want to read last year's this time around NATIONAL RATINGS for that show. Feel free:

ANTM ratings Oct. 20, 2005 MediaWeek (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001348551)

This one is the week before: Oct. 06, 2005

"Over at UPN, the always reliable America’s Next Top Model remained just that at a healthy 4.4/ 7 in the overnights (#5), 4.70 million viewers (#5) and a 2.2/ 7 among adults 18-49. Too bad Tyra Banks cannot find the same level of success in daytime. - LINK (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001261762)

Needless to say, the ratings for ANTM actually improved now that they're on the CW. They were getting a 4.7 overnights last year and now they're what above the 5 million mark? So saying things "CW isn't reaching the household" makes no sense.

So question is, why aren't we getting the same ANTM results?

Plain and simple: People just stopped watching for variety of reasons we obviously don't know.

So stop with all the CW household preaching. There's your facts.. you can either choose to ignore it or not.

Btw, I'm reading the ratings for last year's Smallville and early half of Season 5 are in the "Winners" category and there was baseball in the same timeslot, yet we still managed to do just fine.

[cayayofm]

I think that we have to remember that ANTP was on UPN last year, a smaller network than The WB. However, Absentee, I agree that we can't completly blame The CW merge, but definetly is a factor among many. My money is that the two major factors for the decline in ratings are: First, The CW merge(wich in itself includes a lot of factors), all The WB shows have lower ratings this season. Second, the evident decline in quality of last season second's half. Personally, that last great Smallville episode I saw was "Lockdown". Among other factors is that is very hard for a show to reach new heigths in ratings in season 6, if people have not been interested in a show for five years they probably are not going to sunddenly tune in.

[Absentee]

^But people did come back even after 4 years.

We all thought last year that THAT was it for Smallville only because it was against some very heavy competition there was Survivor, Alias, Will and Grace and Joey, that also includes baseball early on in the season.

Point is, people came back because they liked what they saw. I don't think that they lost interest just because the show's been on for 5 years as long as there's a good, solid storyline behind it people will watch.

Oh and another thing, remember how Smallville had the coveted title for 18-49 demo in the WB? Well, ANTM is currently CW's highest 18-49 demos this year and btw, the demos they're generating are the women's/teens demographics.

So yeah, they're there... it's just that they don't wanna be "there" for Smallville.

Maybe alot of women and teens who watched Smallville last year stopped watching altogether... again, who knows, but think about it... ANTM are getting those demographics, how come Smallville isn't?

Also, you pointed out that ANTM was on a much smaller network... that's true and now that they're on the CW they're doing even better... Smallville should be doing better than ANTM, but it's not. Something's wrong with that picture.

[cayayofm]

^ In theory it should work like you mentined, but that is not always the case. Definetly I agree that if ANTP is pulling over 5 millions viewers, Smallville should be able to do it. This means that there is bigger factors that The CW merge and my stand is the quality of the show.

Last season the show was on a new night, wich everyone thought it would hurt the show, but actually it worked the other way aroung. A very important thing about last season is that it was promoted as "everything you have waited to see" and teasing us in previews with scenes of this sort. This was a very smart promotional campaing. I remember being very exited about what the new season was going to be, even after the mediocre fourth season. Probably a lot of fans and casual viewers were curious too, they tuned in and after being dissapointed they left. (this can be backed up by the decline in ratings in the second half)

Im not saying that the show can get new viewers this late, but is ver improvable for them to reach a much wider audience than the one they had reached in five years.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by MBCorp
But they didn't promote it in the trailers. From what I remember it wasn't advertised at all.

Ahhh, I guess you forgot about the Lexana getting it on to the Clana National Anthem "You and Me" trailer? :p It was pretty obvious that the sex was from Wither if you look at Lana's eye make-up in that scene.

[Kal-ed]

Yeah but Im sure not many people made the conection from the 2 month old promo with the "You and Me" song.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I wish someone would put together a smallville ratings graph.
I am thinking overall the ratings are going down not up.
I feel bad because it is my favorite show.
TPTB needed to get a bump from the movie after it came out and did not.
How come we could not get some of the movie guest stars or something?
We need some buzz.

[Gaussian]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Nobody wants to see Lois and the Green Arrow!! Maybe if Lois was a more interesting character it would work.

The focus of Smallville should be the rivalry between Clark and Lex. Here it is the sixth season and Clark and Lex are making a full turn against each other and they don't get any scenes together in Arrow and they had one scene together in Wither. Come on writers!! It's time to heat things up between Lex and Clark.

I like the Lana character, well I sort of like the character, but she's taking away from screentime between Clark and Lex.

Here's a season finale. You have Lex find out about Clark's secret but everyone begans to label him crazy. Lionel says Lex has an obsession with Aliens and he has him taken to a psychiatric hospital. While Lex is sitting at a table in the hospital another patient walks up to him and asks can he sit down. When Lex looks up the guy says, "I've always wanted to meet you Mr. Luthor, my name is Otis." The ratings will shoot through the roof and Smallville will be the water cooler show for the next day. So writers, please get to the Lex and Clark clashes and confrontations!!


YES!!!

Hasn't Lex always been OBSESSED with Clark. We should be seeing more of that!!

The Lana angle should be that she figures out Lex's obsession with Clark and realizes that's why he wanted to be with her.


I agree....I could care less about Oliver Queen. For me he's just screen time STOLEN away from the guy I really came to see: CLARK KENT!!

And, really I could care less about Lois. I think tptb made a mistake making her a regular character at this point. Truly I couldn't imagine Clark falling for her. Maybe, if they made her character more appealling it might help. So far, for me she's not the girl for him.

[Fly by guy]

The competition has changed for SV since the last time the numbers were this low. Season 4 SV was up against LOST. The move to Thursdays brought the numbers back up to nearly 6 million avg for the first 4 episodes. Then after the historic 100th episode, the numbers died.
I don't see the show getting back to the 6 million viewers number again unless it's an unusual circumstance like the ep. "Justice" with all the super guest.
The days of great ratings are over because that ship has sailed. (yeah, pun intended).

[Kal-ed]

Besides nearing the end of the series, its harder to obtain new fans, It happens Im sure, but I doubt a episode (justice) could make people interested enought to get a hold of older seasons and catching up and stuff, im sure Justice will gain SV with more audience but not a significant increas. How ever I still think SV is not doing that bad and I would stop worring about the show being canceled, it would be dumb for The CW to cancel their #2 show ratingswise, if any the list below of SV of CW series will be the ones that get cancelled.

[bigville]

Does anyone have the ratings of other CW shows compared to SV? I'm interested to know

[SVSurvey2006]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I wish someone would put together a smallville ratings graph.
This is actually my first post here on Kryptonsite (my usual online handle is KalElFan but I've mostly posted on Usenet and a few other boards; this SVSurvey2006 account was one I used to conduct a survey a while back). I read this site occasionally though, mainly the spoilers section but I happened to check out this thread today and saw your question.

I own the following site and after reading the other forum rules (no message boards at the following site for example) I think it's okay to post the URL. The site is actually under construction but it's currently redirected to the Smallville graph that used to be on this site.

http://www.tvscorecard.com

You'll have to scroll down to the very bottom of the page to see the two ratings (viewership) charts. One is for all seasons and the other is color-coded by season. The earlier stuff above the graph is ratings analysis.

KalElFan

[boywithbluehanger]

I can't possibly be reading that right on that page!! SV used to get around 7-8 million viewers in the earlier seasons?!

What happened?!

[SVSurvey2006]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
I can't possibly be reading that right on that page!! SV used to get around 7-8 million viewers in the earlier seasons?!

What happened?!
It actually had as many as 9.4 million viewers once in early season 2, though I believe there were special circumstances there (I think it might have been 2002 Election Night or there was a Bush speech or something on the other networks).

However the series also had 8.9, 8.8 and 8.7 million viewers in early season 2, and 8.6 million later in season 2 (for the first Reeve episode). So, yes, it's declined quite a bit from its peak in early season 2.

KalElFan

[Timester]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
I can't possibly be reading that right on that page!! SV used to get around 7-8 million viewers in the earlier seasons?!

What happened?!

"Magnetic" happened. I think we all know the infamous episode from the no less infamous Holly Horald.

Although there is a very wierd thing on that graphic. Why the huge drop after "Rosetta"? Now that I really want to know.

PS: I remember now, "Rosetta" was the last episode before the break.

[SVSurvey2006]

Originally posted by Timester
"Magnetic" happened...

That was 3-07 and it had 6.87 million viewers, so the show had already lost about 2 million off its early season 2 levels by then.

Just a correction to that number I have for "Rosetta". It was 8.7 million not 8.6 million. It was the second 8.7 million the show had in season 2 (the season 2 premiere, "Vortex" also had that).

The drop after Rosetta was huge, to 5.9 million for the next episode "Visitor" before recovering a bit.

KalElFan

[Timester]

Originally posted by SVSurvey2006
That was 3-07 and it had 6.87 million viewers, so the show had already lost about 2 million off its early season 2 levels by then.

Just a correction to that number I have for "Rosetta". It was 8.7 million not 8.6 million. It was the second 8.7 million the show had in season 2 (the season 2 premiere, "Vortex" also had that).

The drop after Rosetta was huge, to 5.9 million for the next episode "Visitor" before recovering a bit.

KalElFan

I remember why, "Rosetta" was the last episode before the break (I checked it, I was right) and many by time of "Visitor" didn't knew that Smallville was back. Because there is absolutely nothing than the break to explain the big drop after "Rosetta", the episode was great, the writing was great, the acting was great and it was one of most important mytho episodes of the show.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
I can't possibly be reading that right on that page!! SV used to get around 7-8 million viewers in the earlier seasons?!

What happened?!

Most older shows don't have the ratings that they did when they were younger. You can't expect a show in its sixth year to be getting the ratings that it did when it was young.

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Most older shows don't have the ratings that they did when they were younger. You can't expect a show in its sixth year to be getting the ratings that it did when it was young.

Agree. SV was pretty consistant for what 3 seasons. Then S4 starts and a large portion on SV audience left for the suprise hit LOST. SV takes its lumps, licks its wounds and takes a humogeous leap of faith and moved to the most competitive night in network TV. Thurs. @ 8. A sign to many fans that TPTB are purposely trying to kill a beloved show. Also labeled in many media circles as the death nail for the long running season.

Then the unthinkable happens SV somehow holds its own. Touted in the media as a success, but what happens next will forever live in infamy... "Wreckoning" SV 100th episode. Loved and hated by SV fans ,there is no middle ground for this episode. You either hate it or love it:D This accompinied with the long winter break, something I feel SV has had no success with coming back from killed its momentum leading into the finale.

S6 rolls around with the UPN/WB merger confusing lots of viewers. They were'nt sure if they could get CW or what channel its on now etc.. Some might say you can't use this along with the number of households CW reaches as an excuse. They will use UPN as an excuse to say "Well UPN has increased its viewership since the merger" I say DUH!! UPN was even worse off than the WB was as far as number of households reached. Of course they'll benefit from the merger. They can now reach those "viewers" who wouldn't have other wise watched.

People still have to remember SV airs on the most competitve night Thurs. @ 8. It gets nearly 5 million viewers I'd say thats pretty good considering the unexpected success of Uglybetty and BB. Also alot of the hate SV is getting now, I believe its a defense mechanism. People want to dish out anger and laugh at its failures so when it does end, it won't hurt as much.

[Best Episode - 321]

Final Ratings
10/16/06 THROUGH 10/22/06

AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL...... 5.15 mil
GILMORE GIRLS.......................... 4.85 mil
SMALLVILLE................................ 4.71 mil
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN....... 4.67 mil
SUPERNATURAL.......................... 3.29 mil
7TH HEAVEN............................... 3.27 mil
VERONICA MARS......................... 3.12 mil
GIRLFRIENDS.............................. 3.08 mil
EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS........... 3.00 mil
ONE TREE HILL............................ 2.97 mil
ALL OF US.................................... 2.83 mil
GAME, THE................................... 2.65 mil
AMERICA'S TOP MODEL-10/22..... 1.95 mil
SMALLVILLE-10/22...................... 1.83 mil

Link (http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=102406_05)

[Kal-ed]

Again the Baseball phenomenom, The shows that have mostly women as a fan base were unaffected, as oposed to SV that has a large male fan base, same thing from Sneeze.

[fash292]

I totally disagree with that you guys don't like the Lois and Green Arrow story line i luved it! The truth thiz tho the ratings got lower cuz of baseball... but i'm sure for CW standards it's fine...


Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Final Ratings
10/16/06 THROUGH 10/22/06

AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL...... 5.15 mil
GILMORE GIRLS.......................... 4.85 mil
SMALLVILLE................................ 4.71 mil
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN....... 4.67 mil
SUPERNATURAL.......................... 3.29 mil
7TH HEAVEN............................... 3.27 mil
VERONICA MARS......................... 3.12 mil
GIRLFRIENDS.............................. 3.08 mil
EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS........... 3.00 mil
ONE TREE HILL............................ 2.97 mil
ALL OF US.................................... 2.83 mil
GAME, THE................................... 2.65 mil
AMERICA'S TOP MODEL-10/22..... 1.95 mil
SMALLVILLE-10/22...................... 1.83 mil

Link (http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=102406_05)

Thiz shows the ratins were not bad at all.. look at america's top model a hit not that much higher.. and sv has dvd releases that i'm sure makes them the extra cash :}....

[Kal-ed]

And dont forget the show is very big in UK and Latin america, The Warner Channel (which airs most of CW´s programing in Latin america) has had afternoon SV reruns monday through friday for 3 or 4 yeears now, and it has its share of raitings or else it wouldnt be on would it. So although US is the most important market, others should also be considered, trust me SV wont get cancelled.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Again the Baseball phenomenom, The shows that have mostly women as a fan base were unaffected, as oposed to SV that has a large male fan base, same thing from Sneeze.


World series ratings are very low this year.

[Best Episode - 321]

They are lower than last year, but hardly low. The world series got between 18 and 13 million viewers in each of the first three games, and got 16.5 million in NLCS Game 7 last thursday. That as to be effecting the viewership for shows on opposing networks.