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Krypton935
10-19-2006, 04:48 AM
Good? Bad? What did you think?

PaleBlueDot
10-19-2006, 06:28 PM
The GA breaken was freakin cool :) I like the electric arrow!

Luthor5339
10-19-2006, 06:29 PM
WOW!!!! Never realized how cool the Green Arrow was.

I thought it was just regular arrows. This episode definitely changed the way I looked at the hero.

Cool before, but knowing all these different arrows- awesome.

khufu
10-19-2006, 06:29 PM
Yeah I really like how they've handled the special effects. Very well done!

superhippie2000
10-19-2006, 06:30 PM
i think the effects are great. the arrows are cool and his glasses. i wonder how cool the gadgets would be if they had batman on the show.

98chase
10-19-2006, 06:30 PM
I, too, have enjoyed them thus far!

lilkoolmaria
10-19-2006, 06:30 PM
I loved when the arrow was going in slow motion outside and the qhole break in scene was amazing.

moviefan2k4
10-19-2006, 07:20 PM
The deal with the multi-arrows reminds me of "Batman Returns", were The Penguin had a different umbrella for every occasion.

emeraldlabyrinth
10-19-2006, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by khufu
Yeah I really like how they've handled the special effects. Very well done!

agreed. In the Justice League cartoon, i never really paid attention to him. But he is awesome in Smallville. much more interesting.

ITIMAN
10-19-2006, 08:16 PM
I think they actually spent some dough on this one.


Thumbs up on the effects!!

Clarks Flame bursts were cool!!!

jazzylg
10-19-2006, 08:22 PM
The arrow shot faster than that speeding bullet? Cool effect. He has superhuman skill for a normal human!

papercrow27
10-19-2006, 10:01 PM
indeed. but clark's powers seemed to have been cut WAAAAAY down this episode. did you notice most every time he used his superspeed, they didn't show him blurring away or whatnot, just used an off-camera effect and the swooshing sound effect? LAME!

Lightning Flash
10-20-2006, 07:33 AM
The effects in this epi were pretty good. Especially GA's.

Dor el
10-20-2006, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by papercrow27
indeed. but clark's powers seemed to have been cut WAAAAAY down this episode. did you notice most every time he used his superspeed, they didn't show him blurring away or whatnot, just used an off-camera effect and the swooshing sound effect? LAME!

One would hardly know that this show is about Clark's journey. It's sad when the guest star our shines the main star. It's just sad.

wraith808
10-20-2006, 09:05 AM
Clark is on 22 eps a year. They have to make the case for GA's effectiveness in one ep. They have to get on with the story... so I think it's valid to use the better effects for him in an episode. I'm sure it won't be as noticeable the whole time. And I actually like the off-screen use of his powers. It makes him more superman like.

I think the best representation of Superman in a comic was actually done by Frank Miller in the DK series. Superman was overwhelmingly powerful- so much so that noone ever saw him. He'd whoosh in and out and the problem would be solved. That's what this is leading to...

Rozq
10-20-2006, 09:13 AM
Like... what were they thinking doing the special effect with the bullet. GA stoping it with an arrow, HELLO??!! Is anyone in there?!

Flux capacitor
10-20-2006, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Rozq
Like... what were they thinking doing the special effect with the bullet. GA stoping it with an arrow, HELLO??!! Is anyone in there?!

You got that right! I'm glad somebody finally said it.
When I saw the slo-mo of the bullet I thought "Oh, Clarks gonna rescue her", but then a freakin' arrow "bumps" it out of the way. I mean come on! An Arrow!!! WTF! What human could actually do something like that? Maybe he had targeting in his glasses, but I doubt even that could account for such a super-human feat. They just make super-powers way too easy on this show.

jimmyolsenblues
10-20-2006, 01:34 PM
The arrow stopping the bullet was memorable. I liked it , even though it was improbable. But if you can believe in krypton you can believe an arrow can stop a bullet.

Flux capacitor
10-20-2006, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
The arrow stopping the bullet was memorable. I liked it , even though it was improbable. But if you can believe in krypton you can believe an arrow can stop a bullet.

No, I can't. Because then Clark's really not that special. If a human is "faster than a speeding bullet" then Superclark is falling behind. We better give that boy some more abilities so he can do more than all these humans who are beating him to the punch

It was memorable, because of how outlandish it was. Yes, I know that it is Sci-fi/fantasy and I "suspend my disbelief", but I don't suspend any logical thought and reasoning. Maybe he used the targeting system in his glasses like earlier in the episode. It just seemed so silly to have an arrow perfectly meet up with a bullet to save the day. It'd be like Martha using a strand of hair her hair to break Clark out of the Phantom Zone with no explanation. Then we could just say "Well, it was memorable. But if you can believe in krypton you can believe a strand of Martha's hair can get Clark out of the Phantom Zone."
It was an arrow shot by a human. I mean come on! :rotfl:

by the way, I love your avatar. The Departed's a great movie.

last man of krypton
10-20-2006, 03:05 PM
If you look later in that scene, GA fires an arrow that sends the villain flying back a few feet; I'm no archer, but I'm guessing an arrow fired into someone would only knock them off-balance. I theorize that he was using some kind of system similar to a gun to power up his shots. This same system could therefore also fire an arrow fast enough to knock a bullet off it's trajectory.

And I thought the effects in this episode were above standard. My favorite one is where GA's bow transformed into that device used to slide down the rope; it looked natural, feasible, and realistic. I had to rewind it a couple of times to see if it was CGI.

WingedLion
10-20-2006, 05:57 PM
Cool effects in this episode. Although Clark is the main character is nice to see that they are willing to share some FX with the new guys, especially when they had to deliver the character for just a 7 episodes arc, opposed to a 6 seasons. I also enjoyed the shot of Clark's heat vision from the front view, looked similar to the comics.

Regarding the "speeding bullet arrow", well GA is using an composite bow (unlike the comic book character. Ollie hates them while Roy aka Arsenal use them all the time). Those bows can actually duplicate the force that you use to pull the arrow (usually is around 22-30 lbs in a regular bow) to give impulse to it, hence making it flying faster and harder. Since this is "Smallville" I bet that his bow is designed to triplicate his pull. And at least in the comic, Ollie usually pulls a bow of 103 lbs (which is not the standard, but not unheard of in real life). As an archery practicioner I could suspend my disbilief for a second and truly believe that with his targeting system and that compound bow he can make the shot.

Now the DC universe is known for being more "powered up" than a regular comic universe, hence the humans in DC (and by proxy I would assume, "Smallville") are a little bit closer to superhuman abilities. Ollie, while not at the level of Bats in power level, is known to be the best archer ever alive, with almost metahuman aim and at least once in the comics, if my memory serves well, has pull a stunt like deflecting a bullet with an arrow, so is not far fetched. He is not in the League just for his jokes.

Now bear in mid something: this is Ollie at his prime, he is not going to get any better than this. Clark has not developed his powers at full power yet and he has saved the world a couple of times. Now wait until he develops them fully.

Sorry for the rant. :)

bobser
10-20-2006, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Flux capacitor
You got that right! I'm glad somebody finally said it.
When I saw the slo-mo of the bullet I thought "Oh, Clarks gonna rescue her", but then a freakin' arrow "bumps" it out of the way. I mean come on! An Arrow!!! WTF! What human could actually do something like that? Maybe he had targeting in his glasses, but I doubt even that could account for such a super-human feat. They just make super-powers way too easy on this show.

It's believable. I've yet to see a villain or weapon that a Batarang can't handle. It's not much of a strech that a an arrow could do the same in these types of stories.

wraith808
10-20-2006, 06:52 PM
And GA isn't *any normal* archer, just as batman isn't *any normal* detective. They are at the top of their game- maximum human potential in their area.

... and it's comic book reality, which says that we are geeks for even discussing it. =P

Koma
10-20-2006, 08:17 PM
Did they cut some effects out when Clark was in Ollie's apt.? It looked like he was using his X-ray vision on the wall, but they didn't show it. He just walked up and opened the wall...

hassenmorad
10-21-2006, 12:56 AM
The special effects in Arrow have been some of the strongest I've ever seen in a Smallville episode. I'm definitely looking forward to more of the Green Arrow as a result.

Phantom Zone Guardian
10-21-2006, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by jazzylg
The arrow shot faster than that speeding bullet? Cool effect. He has superhuman skill for a normal human!

Yes, it was cool but totally unreal. This was a mistake! Even if GA tripled the speed of an arrow, speeding bullet still would be faster. Maybe GA estimated the guy's shot from a gun and fired his arrow a little bit earlier. But that is highly improbable!

btw The best effect as someone already said was GA's bow changing into funicular. :)

Flux capacitor
10-21-2006, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by bobser
It's believable. I've yet to see a villain or weapon that a Batarang can't handle. It's not much of a strech that a an arrow could do the same in these types of stories.

Maybe a weapon or a villan, but not a bullet in mid-flight. Does Batman regularly deflect flying bullets with his batarangs? If so Superman is not that impressive. Now an arrow in that thug's hand before he fired--totally believable.

It's not the speed of the arrow that bothers me, it's all the timing. Not only would the arrow have to be fast enough, and strong enough (which I'm not arguing) it would have to be aimed and timed exactly with that guy pulling the trigger. All impossibe for a mere human even at the height of human potential with advanced targeting--he'd need to be a flickin' android. That's the problem. Even in our state of suspended disbelief Ollie is still just a human. TPTB have not given any reason why he should have such a superhuman capability. Splash him with some toxic waste, some radiation, or some special syrum--fine. But there is none of that.
The best archer in the world leads me to believe in the can tab being hit by him--now that was believable--for the best archer in the world.
Anyway it was an awesome special effect. I'm just saying it was a silly one.

And yes we are very much geeks for fervantly discussing such a topic. Here's to geeks!
Viva la geek! :cool: