Very Uncharacteristic of Chloe

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
How can anyone claim to know Lana had made any decision before she talked to Chloe?

As much as I currently dislike Lana, I agree here. It appeared that she had her doubts about Lex and if she could even commit to him.

I blame both of them. Lana shouldn't be so stupid to go with Lex after she proved she knew about Lex's history with women. She also knew about Desiree & Helen who both moved in with him and knows how those ended up.

As for Chloe, that "jumping into the pool statement" was a very irresponsible one to make. The best advice she could have offered is saying "There is no situation or circumstance that would make you being with Lex a good idea" and leaving it at that. I was very disappointed in that. Unless she realizes that Lana will just not learn until she finds out by getting burned firsthand.

[umm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by xrayvision
[B]I can pin the blame on him when he was driving drunk in both of those scenarios in Reckoning and caused/would have caused the crash. Yes, I have said that Lana was at fault also for being stupid enough to associate herself with him (getting her cake and eating it too since she was with Clark and investigating the ship with Lex), but he's a maniac and deserves most of the blame. I don't buy the argument that Lex can't help who he is and anyone who dies as a result of his conquests is at fault because they are stupid to associate themselves with him (no matter how stupid Lana is).

Did I say he should get a free pass all the time? No I didn't, but as far as Lana is concerned, Lex didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to do already, and as far as Jonathan's death goes, well I didn't see Lex talking to Jor-El and asking him to revert the time or disobaying the promess to return to the Fortress of Solitude before sundown or sunrise or whatever it was! Not that I am saying that Clark is to blame, but he isn't just an innocent bystander either! Both Lex, Clark, Lionel and Jor-El played an equal part in Jonathan Kent's death!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by xrayvision
[B]I blame both of them. Lana shouldn't be so stupid to go with Lex after she proved she knew about Lex's history with women. She also knew about Desiree & Helen who both moved in with him and knows how those ended up.

Whether deciding to ignore Lex' bad trackrecord with women witnessed in the past, makes her stupid or just willing to take a chance at love again is irrelevant, the point is it was her choice to make, and Chloe did the only think she could! She gave the best possible advice she could in that situation! Be honest, when does a girl want to hear from her best girl friend that a boy she is very much interested in and feels strongly about, is no good for her!
VERY RARELY!
Chloe acted correctly, the fact is Lana does need to 'jump in the pool' if she wants to move on with her life, she may have chosen a different 'ball' to play in the watter with, but that's where 'the learning the hard way' deal comes in!

[RobynAdele0406]

It's totally useless for me to respond in this thread anymore. Now we're off to blaming Lex for anything and everything we can and expecting Chloe to preach to Lana about her relationship with Lex. I'm totally done with this.

Peace.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by umm
Did I say he should get a free pass all the time? No I didn't, but as far as Lana is concerned, Lex didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to do already, and as far as Jonathan's death goes, well I didn't see Lex talking to Jor-El and asking him to revert the time or disobaying the promess to return to the Fortress of Solitude before sundown or sunrise or whatever it was! Not that I am saying that Clark is to blame, but he isn't just an innocent bystander either! Both Lex, Clark, Lionel and Jor-El played an equal part in Jonathan Kent's death![/B]

I hope you're not giving him a pass for his actions in Reckoning, because he definitely did force her by chasing after her at a high speed drunk. Yes, it was also her fault in being stupid to go to him and to have even dealt with him in investigating the ship all the while being with Clark (this is what I call Lana wanting her cake and eating it too). And no, he did not force her to stop by his mansion. But despite how stupid Lana is, you have to put most of the blame on someone who was irresponsible to drive at high speeds while drunk because of his insane obsession with a girl. For example, if someone knowingly is going out with a criminal and dies as a result, then you have to say that person was stupid. But you can't say the criminal is innocent when that person dies as a result of the his/her maniac tendencies. As much as I can't stand Lana and how stupid she was to go to Lex those 2 times in that episode, Lex has to be held responsible for his reckless actions. In the first timeline where Clark gave her the ring, she was really stupid to go to him knowing that Lex is at least somewhat obsessed with Clark based on what he said ("how many times have you come to me about Clark keeping secrets....").


Originally posted by umm
Whether deciding to ignore Lex' bad trackrecord with women witnessed in the past, makes her stupid or just willing to take a chance at love again is irrelevant, the point is it was her choice to make, and Chloe did the only think she could! She gave the best possible advice she could in that situation! Be honest, when does a girl want to hear from her best girl friend that a boy she is very much interested in and feels strongly about, is no good for her!
VERY RARELY!
Chloe acted correctly, the fact is Lana does need to 'jump in the pool' if she wants to move on with her life, she may have chose a different 'ball' to play in the watter with, but that's where 'the learning the hard way' deal comes in! [/B]

I just didn't see that scene to be one where Lana had already made up her mind that she was very interested in Lex. Based on Sneeze and the way she acted, she didn't seem to be too much into Lex. Call it continuity problems or horrible writing, but Lana just seemed to contradict herself. First when she spoke to Lex, she said she wasn't sure if she could trust Lex with his bad record and everything. Then she started thinking that the factors for not trusting Lex were internal due to her bad experiences with Clark. It makes no damn sense.

I think Chloe was written to contradict herself as well. I don't understand how someone can say that Lex would never be on her list, yet advise Lana to "jump in the pool" with him knowing how dangerous he is. I think she should have just held her ground and told her to find someone/anyone else other than Lex and that no advice she could give would justify Lana being with him. That would have taken the least amount of effort and made the most sense. If Lana is still stupid after that, then the hell with her. I'm very disappointed at the majority of the characters as of now and the soap opera that this show is turning into. Bring on Lionel, and bring back Pete. Too bad Jonathan was killed off for these crappy plots. I'll leave it at that.

[wildcat]

[i]Originally posted by umm No, you are completly right! Usually his belief in the goodness of others would be his greatest strength, but when it is coupled with his constant childlike naivity, it easily becomes a weakness, as it has often been shown in the show! He puts his faith in people so easily and the gets disappointed when they don't turn out as expected!


Agreed, that plus the fact that he clearly isn't learning from his mistakes either.

[HalJordan4184]

His belief in the goodness of others is Superman's greatest strength, and weakness. It allows people to seemingly trample on his faith, and belief in everyone deserves a chance, however, it doesn't effect him the way smallville seems to portray it. Superman knows the world isn't pretty at times, and he's hardly childlike and naive. That's one of the biggest misconceptions of the character. I don't even want to know how someone can call Smallville's Clark naive.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by umm
Firstly, I find it hard to believe that the same girl who told Chloe in the second half of season 5, to butt out of hers and Lex' relationship, at whatever it level at that time may have been; now asks Chloe for advice concerning that verysame relationship.

So Lana can't change her mind and seek out Chloe's advice?

Secondly it's only humans nature to make a decission and then ask someone we consider a close friend for an advice, but in truth what we really want is just an confirmation of the decission we already made!

I'm not so sure it's valid to argue that human nature is such. Maybe you or someone you know does that. And maybe everyone does it sometimes, but I think sometimes we honestly want our friend's opinion.

[umm]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
So Lana can't change her mind and seek out Chloe's advice?


I'm not so sure it's valid to argue that human nature is such. Maybe you or someone you know does that. And maybe everyone does it sometimes, but I think sometimes we honestly want our friend's opinion.

First of all, I don't ask other people to validate my choices, for I am an Aries and Aries' follow their own rules!:)
Secondly, granted sometimes a friend's advice is necessary and gives a good perspective on things, which we otherwise might have not seen, but I doubt that was the case with Lana!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cotton candy girl
[B]So Lana can't change her mind and seek out Chloe's advice?


Yes, she can change her mind, but honestly speaking, in the course of five years, when has Lana ever taken somebody elses advice?

[Absolute Kingdom]

Given the fact that Lana went to Chloe for advise, I'd say that WAS the case. Chloe however, didnt give her an oppinion from her perspective, because if she did, she would've told Lana the truth about Lex. So no, the advice wasnt comming from Chloe's perspective.

[umm]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Given the fact that Lana went to Chloe for advise, I'd say that WAS the case. Chloe however, didnt give her an oppinion from her perspective, because if she did, she would've told Lana the truth about Lex. So no, the advice wasnt comming from Chloe's perspective.

I can't believe you guys! Have you ever considered the fact, that Chloe simply couldn't tell Lana the real deal! I mean she gave her the best possible advice given the situation she was in, yes she was abstract and evasive, but she really had no choice! Had she told the complete truth about Lex, she would indirectly tell Clark's true story as well, and that is a big NO NO!

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
How can anyone claim to know Lana had made any decision before she talked to Chloe?

Because she moved into her boyfriends home. She made that decision and it is only natural for him to expect sex from his live-in GF. Not to mention he practically demanded it by saying he was done waiting. Lana realized her decision forced upon her the next step (sex) and she was letting someone know she may be making mistakes.

And if Lana had decided not to go through with it, she would have found it necessary to move out. And she didn't. Which confirms she had already made up her mind.

[Saviour of Earth]

I think it comes down towho you like better chloe or lana

[umm]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Because she moved into her boyfriends home. She made that decision and it is only natural for him to expect sex from his live-in GF. Not to mention he practically demanded it by saying he was done waiting. Lana realized her decision forced upon her the next step (sex) and she was letting someone know she may be making mistakes.

And if Lana had decided not to go through with it, she would have found it necessary to move out. And she didn't. Which confirms she had already made up her mind.

Exactly!